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The NFL's Wells Report regarding 'Deflategate' is released, saying Pats QB Tom Brady was 'generally aware' of improperly inflated footballs.
http://nypost.com/2015/05/06/deflategate-report-bombshell-tom-brady-was-aware-of-rule-breaking/
Can't beat the Giants, can only beat others when cheating.
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Ha! Anyone want to
instigate bring a case against the NFL!? :) :-X
/ouch!
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thought this was a thread about groinks standing around theres parts.
nevermind, carry on :)
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Brady found guilty of involvement. One of 3 named. Common sense and his high pitched giggle denial told it all. The texts are the smoking gun. Calling himself "the deflator" lol
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I don't watch basketball.
8)
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Remember how many amateur physics experts who bent over backwards to justify the pressure in the footballs? OOOOPS.
Oh wait, we're just "haters". ::)
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How many times do they get to do this before the NFL starts taking away wins?
SB win this year at a minimum should be vacated and Belichick sentenced to death.
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Recognized All-Time Super Bowl Wins by Quarterback.
Terry Bradshaw - 4
Joe Montana - 4
Troy Aikman - 3
Tom Brady - 4 2 (Spygate and Deflategate)
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Whining bitiches all...there is still no legal smoking gun proof.
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Any quarterback that claims they couldn't tell is a fucking liar.
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How many times do they get to do this before the NFL starts taking away wins?
SB win this year at a minimum should be vacated and Belichick sentenced to death.
im ok with that ;D
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Brady has nothing to hide. That's why he refused to share his emails with the equipment manager. But I bet you the balls they were talking about in email were not footballs.
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Many of the texts said that Brady wouldn't like the balls at 16 psi. No idea now if they said that he wanted them below 12 psi. As soon as the balls were switched to the correct PSI...the colts got their asses handed to them twice as bad. They could have given them shotguns and it wouldn't have mattered.
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Recognized All-Time Super Bowl Wins by Quarterback.
Terry Bradshaw - 4
Joe Montana - 4
Troy Aikman - 3
Tom Brady - 4 2 (Spygate and Deflategate)
Tom Brady - 4 2 (Spygate and Deflategate) Whose to say they didn't cheat some other way and weren't caught during the first two wins
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Statement from New England Patriots Chairman and CEO Robert Kraft on the Wells Report
Wednesday, May 06, 2015 12:55 PM EDT
By New England Patriots
@patriots
“When I addressed the media at the Super Bowl on January 26 – over 14 weeks ago – I stated that I unconditionally believed that the New England Patriots had done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of the NFL rules and that I was disappointed in the way the league handled the initial investigation. That sentiment has not changed.
“I was convinced that Ted Wells’ investigation would find the same factual evidence supported by both scientific formula and independent research as we did and would ultimately exonerate the Patriots. Based on the explanations I have heard and the studies that have been done, I don’t know how the science of atmospheric conditions can be refuted or how conclusions to the contrary can be drawn without some definitive evidence.
“What is not highlighted in the text of the report is that three of the Colts’ four footballs measured by at least one official were under the required psi level. As far as we are aware, there is no comparable data available from any other game because, in the history of the NFL, psi levels of footballs have never been measured at halftime, in any climate. If they had been, based on what we now know, it is safe to assume that every cold-weather game was played with under inflated footballs. As compelling a case as the Wells Report may try to make, I am going to rely on the factual evidence of numerous scientists and engineers rather than inferences from circumstantial evidence.
“Throughout the process of this nearly four-month investigation, we have cooperated and patiently awaited its outcome. To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship game, would be a gross understatement. In addition, given our level of cooperation throughout the process, I was offended by the comments made in the Wells Report in reference to not making an individual available for a follow-up interview. What the report fails to mention is that he had already been interviewed four times and we felt the fifth request for access was excessive for a part-time game day employee who has a full-time job with another employer.
“While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league.”
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^^^^^
You mean written by Krafts lawyer.
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I think they knew what Brady liked and then just did what he normally liked....but whatever.
Based on the evidence developed in connection with the investigation and
summarized in this Report, we have concluded that it is more probable than not that New
England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the NFL Playing Rules and were
involved in a deliberate attempt to circumvent those rules. In particular, we conclude that it is more probable than not that Jim McNally and John Jastremski participated in a deliberate plan to
circumvent the rules by releasing air from Patriots game balls after the examination of the
footballs by NFL game officials at the AFC Championship Game. We believe that McNally and
Jastremski were aware that the inflation level of the Patriots game balls following pre-game
inspection by the game officials would be approximately 12.5 psi and planned for McNally to
deflate the balls below that level following the pre-game inspection using a needle provided by
Jastremski. Based on the evidence, we also have concluded that it is more probable than not that
Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and
Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.
We do not believe that the evidence establishes that any other Patriots personnel
participated in or had knowledge of the violation of the Playing Rules or the deliberate effort to
circumvent the rules described above. In particular, we do not believe there was any wrongdoing
or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Head Coach Belichick or any other Patriots
coach in the matters investigated. We also do not believe there was any wrongdoing or
knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots Head Equipment Manager Dave Schoenfeld
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did the Patriots do it? Probably. Looking back at their past cheating history i would say its a given.
is there any "real" proof that they deflated the balls? Doesnt apear to be.
in the end i dont think it would have mattered...they more than likely would have still won. Lets get over this and wait til they cheat again
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watch drew... these elite guys have touched and held a football since they were little children... they know what they are holding.
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Tom Brady - 4 2 (Spygate and Deflategate) Whose to say they didn't cheat some other way and weren't caught during the first two wins
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but you are right, it is getting harder and harder to do so.
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Based on everything I've read it seems many quarterbacks do this.
This stuff is great material for Pats haters though.
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They still beat Seattle with normal balls so you can't take that away from them. Worst call in sports history. How Pete Carroll didn't get lynched is beyond me.
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Whining bitiches all...there is still no legal smoking gun proof.
everyone knows they didn't pull 2 or 3 PSI out of the ball, and the top QB on planet Earth never noticed lol.
everyone knows from his high pitched giggle when first asked - that he was lying terribly.
Now, you can argue "they can't prove it!" but does anyone seriously, in their right mind, truly believe that Brady didn't know the balls were deflated? Brady admitted in 2011 that he preferred them deflated - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24980832/tom-brady-in-2011-i-like-deflated-footballs
Now, seeing as he's refused to participate in the investigation and give up his text messages with the two proven-guilty people... Does anyone in their right mind truly believe Brady wasn't involved and aware? Bob Kraft has done a full 180 on it too - plans to issue punishment.
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The only defense for Pats fans is: "Well, you can't PROVE IT".
But everyone knows, everyone knows, Brady was involved and knew he was cheating. Only the biggest homer Pats fan would deny it at this point. He's the top QB in the world, he admits he likes them deflated, his guys gave themselves nicknames and planned/executed the plan... and there are some people out there who deny it?
Just say "I dont care if he cheated, they can't prove it, and it doesn't make him any less great". Don't do the "you can't prove it" becaue only a homer believes it now.
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Didn't care then, don't care now. Notice the "probable" behind everything. For the record, I thought Tom was lying from the beginning.
The report also says that its likely that Belichick and Kraft knew nothing about what was going on.
So what do we have here? A quarterback working with a couple of equipment guys to make the balls more comfortable for him.
Did it break the rules? Sure. Is it serious in the grand scheme of things? Hardly.
They say a punishment ruling for Brady and the two equipment guys could be a few days away.
The only thing we really found out was that if anything went on, that Bill and Bob had no idea about it.
Doesn't change the fact that they are the champions.
Just like Kraft statement says.......although they can't 100% prove anything, it would be pointless to fight this any longer. They will take whatever punishment the league decides to hand out.
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The only defense for Pats fans is: "Well, you can't PROVE IT".
But everyone knows, everyone knows, Brady was involved and knew he was cheating. Only the biggest homer Pats fan would deny it at this point. He's the top QB in the world, he admits he likes them deflated, his guys gave themselves nicknames and planned/executed the plan... and there are some people out there who deny it?
Just say "I dont care if he cheated, they can't prove it, and it doesn't make him any less great". Don't do the "you can't prove it" becaue only a homer believes it now.
Who cares 240. You think that a derelict team like the Bucs is only a few PSI's away from being a team like the Patriots?
No. The Patriots are an elite team, who proved on multiple occasions (including the superbowl) that they can win with regulation balls as well.
I absolutely believe that they still win without touching the balls. It just happened to be Brady's preference.
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They still beat Seattle with normal balls so you can't take that away from them. Worst call in sports history. How Pete Carroll didn't get lynched is beyond me.
can we please just forget about that :-[
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Who cares 240. You think that a derelict team like the Bucs is only a few PSI's away from being a team like the Patriots?
No. The Patriots are an elite team, who proved on multiple occasions (including the superbowl) that they can win with regulation balls as well.
I absolutely believe that they still win without touching the balls. It just happened to be Brady's preference.
of course not. The Pats are a great team and Brady is 1 of the greatest QB's ever. BUT that doesnt make their constant cheating ok. People are just sick of it and it doesnt help how smug Belichick always is.
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of course not. The Pats are a great team and Brady is 1 of the greatest QB's ever. BUT that doesnt make their constant cheating ok. People are just sick of it and it doesnt help how smug Belichick always is.
I have already heard from multiple analysts in the last 20 minutes, that the deflated balls had no effect on the outcome of the games.
So some form of punishment will be levied regardless, and then we can move on. I will say this though, if Brady (and possibly Belichick) have to miss multiple games next year, that will be a far greater advantage to the AFC East and the NFL, than a deflated football.
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I will give you guys this: It was a small issue that Tom made bigger by lying.
The lying has become the bigger issue then the act itself. So he should take whatever punishment comes his way, and move on.
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I have already heard from multiple analysts in the last 20 minutes, that the deflated balls had no effect on the outcome of the games.
No impact on the outcome of the COLTS game. That's never been in question. It's just a statement defenders and homers make to deflect.
The facts are this: Footballs were deliberately manipulated outside the league rules for an AFC championship game, and likely every other game that preceded it.
Of course the championships won't be taken back, but they sure are tarnished in the court of public perception. This is just something the Pats and their fans will always have to deal with, and it's all the team's fault, be it players or ownership.
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No impact on the outcome of the COLTS game. That's never been in question. It's just a statement defenders and homers make to deflect.
The facts are this: Footballs were deliberately manipulated outside the league rules for an AFC championship game, and likely every other game that preceded it.
Of course the championships won't be taken back, but they sure are tarnished in the court of public perception. This is just something the Pats and their fans will always have to deal with, and it's all the team's fault, be it players or ownership.
The games are played and won on the field. I have no problem with any of the Patriots championship seasons. They still had to earn the rings by beating the opposition.
Just remember what they did when "spygate" was uncovered. They went 18-0, and lost in the superbowl, with the league knowing that the Pats were now following the rules to the T.
Just like this year, The Pats coming off of controversy (albeit in a blowout) in the AFC title game, beat the Seahawks fair and square in the Superbowl.
Most of the outrage is hot air, and the fact that most people are fans of shit franchises, who could only dream of having the sustained success that the Patriots have enjoyed.
Yes I am biased.
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The games are played and won on the field. I have no problem with any of the Patriots championship seasons. They still had to earn the rings by beating the opposition.
Just remember what they did when "spygate" was uncovered. They went 18-0, and lost in the superbowl, with the league knowing that the Pats were now following the rules to the T.
Just like this year, The Pats coming off of controversy (albeit in a blowout) in the AFC title game, beat the Seahawks fair and square in the Superbowl.
Most of the outrage is hot air, and the fact that most people are fans of shit franchises, who could only dream of having the sustained success that the Patriots have enjoyed.
Yes I am biased.
Of course you're biased, no issues there.
But, Pats likely didn't need to cheat each year they won the championship, but they did anyway. And they haven't won any year without scandal.
Sucks for the fans, but it is what it is - part of the legacy and history.
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Just another day for the Cheatriots.
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Just another day for the Cheatriots.
Tom Brady is a helluva quarterback but with all this controversy it's hard to put him in the same light as the Aikmans, Montanas and Bradshaws of the past.
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Of course you're biased, no issues there.
But, Pats likely didn't need to cheat each year they won the championship, but they did anyway. And they haven't won any year without scandal.
Sucks for the fans, but it is what it is - part of the legacy and history.
I am glad they have the rings now, because now I am a little nervous about the possible suspensions.
They could give Brady no games, or they could give him a 1-4 game suspension. Not to mention that they have not ruled out giving Belichick a game or two for shits and giggles, or about draft picks for next year.
I have a strange feeling that Goodell will go hard, after all of the talk about how he favors Kraft and the Patriots. :-X
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Tom Brady is a helluva quarterback but with all this controversy it's hard to put him in the same light as the Aikmans, Montanas and Bradshaws of the past.
I'm going to slowly exit from this thread now, before I go full retard. :D
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I'm going to slowly exit from this thread now, before I go full retard. :D
LOL
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I'm going to slowly exit from this thread now, before I go full retard. :D
As much as I hated Seattle part of me was actually rooting for them because I didn't want to see Aikman get passed up in rings. 8)
Now that all this controversy is brewing, you better believe I'm going to jump on board!
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Wait a minute.........I just heard that they tested 4 of the Colts game balls from the AFC championship game, and 3 out of the 4 came back underinflated as well.
link? the yahoo story said all 12 of the Colts balls were legal when tested at halftime.
I think if he's been doing this for a long time - throwing a flat ball is a VERY good advantage in winning games all year round. They're 12-4 instead of 10-6. HUGE difference there with home field. And seeing Gronk easily 1-hand paw catch all those passes in the rain lol... makes you wonder ;)
We've all played catch with a flat football. SO easy to catch it.
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link? the yahoo story said all 12 of the Colts balls were legal when tested at halftime.
I think if he's been doing this for a long time - throwing a flat ball is a VERY good advantage in winning games all year round. They're 12-4 instead of 10-6. HUGE difference there with home field. And seeing Gronk easily 1-hand paw catch all those passes in the rain lol... makes you wonder ;)
We've all played catch with a flat football. SO easy to catch it.
So easy not to fumble too, which Pats RBs have been shown to excel at.
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So easy not to fumble too, which Pats RBs have been shown to excel at.
oh thats right too - I remember the stats about all these RBs that were practically fumble-free while in NE, but fumble machines before and after.
My FB feed is full of the brady-lovers "but they can't PROVE he knew" and "how would a QB even notice 10.5 PSI versus 13.5 PSI" So silly!
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link? the yahoo story said all 12 of the Colts balls were legal when tested at halftime.
I think if he's been doing this for a long time - throwing a flat ball is a VERY good advantage in winning games all year round. They're 12-4 instead of 10-6. HUGE difference there with home field. And seeing Gronk easily 1-hand paw catch all those passes in the rain lol... makes you wonder ;)
We've all played catch with a flat football. SO easy to catch it.
I think they only tested 4 Colts footballs at halftime, and you know damn well that they made sure those would be fully inflated, because they were the ones who told the refs to check the balls.
I said that because Jackie Macmullan said something about the Colts balls being deflated too, on Around The Horn today.
Look 240, people have doctored baseballs, corked bats, used too much pine tar, used stickum, added extra curves to hockey sticks, and have taken PED's. What Brady did (supposedly) did not contribute to extra wins.
Its all circumstantial in the end anyway.
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Time for deflect gate :D
What about Chip Kelly accused of being racist?
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Those are fully inflated.
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Who gives a shit they blew the colts out by a huge margin, under inflated footballs had nothing to do with that. Then they went and smoked the seahawks to ice the cake. Why release that report now? Why the controversial, "More likely than not" bullshit quote. The NFL is just trying to drum up some attention in the lull now after the draft and before the training camp.
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What Brady did (supposedly) did not contribute to extra wins.
Many Rbs have said flatter balls = fewer fumbles.
Many WRs have said flatter balls = more catches.
Fewer fumbles + more catches = more wins. And it causes early leads where the Pats can run the ball and milk the clock and preserve a lead. They probably beat the colts anyway, but wow, that early TD catch by Gronk, 1 hand fingertips in end zone? I dont know if he gets that if the ball is 13 PSI and not 10 PSI.
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3 1/2 months, 243 pages, who knows how much money was spent...
Conclusion...they may have deflated the footballs.
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Many Rbs have said flatter balls = fewer fumbles.
Many WRs have said flatter balls = more catches.
Fewer fumbles + more catches = more wins. And it causes early leads where the Pats can run the ball and milk the clock and preserve a lead. They probably beat the colts anyway, but wow, that early TD catch by Gronk, 1 hand fingertips in end zone? I dont know if he gets that if the ball is 13 PSI and not 10 PSI.
The ball is not flat. It has a little more give when you squeeze it.
People make it act like you could squeeze them like Nerf footballs.
Overblown.
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3 1/2 months, 243 pages, who knows how much money was spent...
Conclusion...they may have deflated the footballs.
Thats the bullshit part. Most people thought that the Pats "probably" deflated the balls months ago.
This investigation found nothing new. They are going to use circumstantial evidence to possibly suspend Brady, and who knows what else.
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How could anyone be suspended or fined? No one was found guilty...
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They did it. The one dude called himself "the Deflator" and went into bathroom with approved balls for 1:40, and suddenly they were illegal balls. And they concluded brady knew. He admitted in 2011 knowing the diff and preferring flat - he felt them on Play #1, he should have alerted referees and asked them to test balls. He didn't....
Dudes get suspended from NFL for DUI and fighting and other rowdy shit on their own time - What should they do to a player who rigs the ball to cheat during an actual game, in one of the biggest games of the year?
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How could anyone be suspended or fined? No one was found guilty...
Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens never failed a steroid test.
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Just saw this exchange:
"Brady is still the G.O.A.T"
"Gatherer of Asterisk Titles"?
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Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens never failed a steroid test.
Lance Armstrong as well.
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Bodybuilders world wide wondering what the big deal is about deflated balls.
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Deadspin has Tom Brady's texts. He's absolutely guilty, no doubt.
The only difference is, the other 2 owned it when the texts showed up. brady lawyered up and no-showed for questioning.
Unless someone "stole" his phone and engaged in the convo about the cover-up then invited the other dude down to the QB room to talk... lol
Look at the texts. He's guilty as shit.
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What does a getbigger do when faced with a question from a reporter that he doesn't want to answer? Flex. Flex hard.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/patriots-gronkowski-deflects-deflategate-questions-by-flexing-muscles/
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more and more Brady lies.
He didn't know mcnally's last name nor what he did. But he sure s buddy buddy in those texts. Very active in the coverup too.
mike & mike believe he'll be suspended for a couple of games. Only the brady fanboys still "believe" him - most have moved into the more reasonable "well, everyone cheats somehow, no biggie" camp, which is way more honest than "Oh, I totally believe innocent brady was framed here! he had no idea!"
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Only the brady fanboys still "believe" him - most have moved into the more reasonable "well, everyone cheats somehow, no biggie" camp,
Same dynamic with David Ortiz and steroids. They're so predictable at this point.
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whats funny is most on here thinks this is something new been going on for years in the nfl,but since the patiots did it it's a big thing
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whats funny is most on here thinks this is something new been going on for years in the nfl,but since the patiots did it it's a big thing
cause they won 4/6 super bowls during that time... while enjoying the QB and RB grip that gave them some mind-boggling fumble and accuracy stats.
Once they get the trainer on 60 Minutes and he admits he and Brady hatched this plan in 2008 or something... we will realize this was a major difference in the Pats having 1 ring vs. having 4 rings.
And the stats are anomalies... especially the running back fumble stats and Brady's fumble stats, in cold weather games. It affects 50 plays a game in a big way. They're essentially playing the same sport with different balls at that point. The advantages are many.
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cause they won 4/6 super bowls during that time... while enjoying the QB and RB grip that gave them some mind-boggling fumble and accuracy stats.
Once they get the trainer on 60 Minutes and he admits he and Brady hatched this plan in 2008 or something... we will realize this was a major difference in the Pats having 1 ring vs. having 4 rings.
And the stats are anomalies... especially the running back fumble stats and Brady's fumble stats, in cold weather games. It affects 50 plays a game in a big way. They're essentially playing the same sport with different balls at that point. The advantages are many.
lol have you ever even played football,they won superbowls because of 1 or two psi out of a football LOL,my guess is you didn't even play hs ball
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What a bunch of jealous bitches.. I am definitely NOT a Patriots fan - but my god - anyone that knows the game knows this happens ALOT... Jerry Rice admired using "stick em" on his gloves - does that negate the fact that he is the goat??? Hell no it doesn't and anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong. Its not opinion that Rice is goat - thats fact..
The report says Brady "PROBABLY" knew - so good fucking grief
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What a bunch of jealous bitches.. I am definitely NOT a Patriots fan - but my god - anyone that knows the game knows this happens ALOT... Jerry Rice admired using "stick em" on his gloves - does that negate the fact that he is the goat??? Hell no it doesn't and anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong. Its not opinion that Rice is goat - thats fact..
The report says Brady "PROBABLY" knew - so good fucking grief
the haters are going to hate,didn't you know this is the first time this as ever happened :D
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whats funny is most on here thinks this is something new been going on for years in the nfl,but since the patiots did it it's a big thing
What's funny was your adamant defense a few months ago that the Pats weren't guilty at all.
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What's funny was your adamant defense a few months ago that the Pats weren't guilty at all.
great investigation,probably this and probably that,5 months for that LOL
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great investigation,probably this and probably that,5 months for that LOL
Investigation turned up a decent amount of stuff, more than expected. Brady looks bad, no matter what homer apologists like yourself believe.
ANY suspension or fine, no matter how small, means the NFL found Brady guilty of foul play / cheating in an AFC championship game. It is what it is at this point.
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the butthurt is strong in this thread
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Investigation turned up a decent amount of stuff, more than expected. Brady looks bad, no matter what homer apologists like yourself believe.
ANY suspension or fine, no matter how small, means the NFL found Brady guilty of foul play / cheating in an AFC championship game. It is what it is at this point.
can you post all I've seen is probably this and probably that,and for your information the patriots are not my team,just think the whole thing is a joke
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the butthurt is strong in this thread
all you have to do is knock off 1 or 2 psi and your a super bowl winner :D
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all you have to do is knock off 1 or 2 psi and your a super bowl winner :D
I just love to see grown men whining like schoolboys over a game...even if the Patriots were somehow "disqualified" and "didn't really win" any Super Bowls...what would that change? Broke ass fools will still be broke ass fools, no matter who wins a football game.
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can you post all I've seen is probably this and probably that,and for your information the patriots are not my team,just think the whole thing is a joke
Deadspin / Sportsline / ESPN
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What would the Deflategate deniers have to see as evidence before they will believe that Brady orchestrated this?
Most seem to have accepted this and moved onto the "Well everyone does it it's no big deal" phase.
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I just love to see grown men whining like schoolboys over a game...even if the Patriots were somehow "disqualified" and "didn't really win" any Super Bowls...what would that change? Broke ass fools will still be broke ass fools, no matter who wins a football game.
Can I borrow 5 bucks?
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Can I borrow 5 bucks?
Well played, sir.
And no.
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How many times do they get to do this before the NFL starts taking away wins?
SB win this year at a minimum should be vacated and Belichick sentenced to death.
Vacated Super Bowl is a little harsh but yes I think the death penalty is in order.
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Goodell is going to come down hard with a $500K fine to the team. like they care. Kraft probably spends that much just for drinks for his Eyes Wide Shut Parties.
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1 game for the infraction
3 games for the cover-up.
"I dont know who this man is that did it" But they spent a total of 1 hour on the phone over 4 calls + texts and arranged meeting
Brady caught in a few lies here. As always, cover up worse than the crime.
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1 game for the infraction
3 games for the cover-up.
"I dont know who this man is that did it" But they spent a total of 1 hour on the phone over 4 calls + texts and arranged meeting
Brady caught in a few lies here. As always, cover up worse than the crime.
He should be executed.
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Hearing you idiots makes my blood boil. ;D
At least we are the reigning champs. You know this situation might just bring the Patriots closer together.
They play better when they feel its them against the world.
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At least we are the reigning champs. You know this situation might just bring the Patriots closer together.
They play better when they feel its them against the world.
Yes, I remember how "motivated" they were after Spygate. Then 10 years later after they won no Super Bowls, they went back to cheating and got another.
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i wonder how many Players in the NFL would Deflate if they Really did Drug test and not just pretended to do so
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i wonder how many Players in the NFL would Deflate if they Really did Drug test and not just pretended to do so
All O and D lines to start.
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Thats the bullshit part. Most people thought that the Pats "probably" deflated the balls months ago.
This investigation found nothing new. They are going to use circumstantial evidence to possibly suspend Brady, and who knows what else.
And even worse is they could have averted all of this.
The NFL has concluded its months-long investigation into Deflategate and determined that it is "more probable than not" that two employees deliberately released air from game balls and that New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady "was at least generally aware" of the plan.
The scandal, in which the Patriots were found to be using deflated game balls during their 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC title game, is a huge black eye for the Patriots and Brady, and it draws the legitimacy of last year's Super Bowl championship into question.
Perhaps the most dumbfounding part of this is that the NFL had more than one chance to stop it from happening and did nothing.
According to the report, the league first became aware of the possibility that the Patriots were deflating the footballs when Ryan Grigson, the general manager of the Colts, sent an email to two senior members of the NFL Football Operations Department days before the AFC championship game.
In the email, Grigson included a note from a Colts equipment manager that said the Patriots were known for deflating footballs. He added: "All the Indianapolis Colts want is a completely level playing field. Thank you for being vigilant stewards of that not only for us but for the shield and overall integrity of our game."
Here is the note from the equipment manager to the NFL. It describes exactly what NFL investigators believe happened before the AFC title game:
As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league that after the Patriots gameballs are checked by the officials and brought out for game usage the ballboys for the patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better, it would be great if someone would be able to check the air in the game balls as the game goes on so that they don't get an illegal advantage.
That email was forwarded to several other league officials, including two senior members of the NFL Officiating Department, who responded by saying they would bring the issue up with Walt Anderson, the referee assigned to the AFC title game.
At no time was there any indication that the Patriots were made aware of the Colts' concerns or that the NFL was making members of the Patriots' front office aware of a potential rules infraction.
Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com spoke with an anonymous league official who said this would have never happened under previous commissioners.
"As one league source with no connection to the present controversy explained it to PFT in January, past Commissioners like Paul Tagliabue would have informed the Patriots of the situation," Florio wrote, adding that Tagliabue would have "warned them that the NFL is paying attention, that the league reserves the right to check the air pressure in the footballs during the game, and that any funny business would be met with a decidedly unfunny reaction from the league office."
Doing this would have almost certainly scared the Patriots enough to ensure that nobody was altering the footballs during that game.
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(Maddie Meyer/Getty Images) Tom Brady's legacy is now tarnished, and the NFL may have been able to stop it.
To make matters worse, the NFL and one of the game's referees were made aware of the allegations, and yet the footballs still went missing before the game.
Knowing that the Patriots were being accused of deflating footballs and knowing that the footballs went missing, the officials could have easily retested the footballs once they were found. That would have eliminated the weather defense — a central point to the Patriots' defense as evidenced by Robert Kraft's statement following the release of the Wells report — as it is assumed that the only chance to deflate the balls occurred before the game, meaning there would have be very little time between the initial measurements and the retests.
But more important, it would have kept the Patriots from using illegal footballs during one of the most important games of the season.
The report also makes it clear that the NFL should have taken the allegations made by the Colts seriously, noting that the actions of one of the employees accused of altering the footballs, locker room attendant Jim McNally, had come under review of the NFL after allegations arose that he was supplying "non-approved practice balls" in place of approved footballs during a game in 2004.
The report insists that there was "was no 'sting' operation" put in place by the NFL. But if the goal was to catch the Patriots red-handed, it apparently worked.
At the same time, the NFL has another ugly mess that it seems could easily have been avoided.
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I will give you guys this: It was a small issue that Tom made bigger by lying.
The lying has become the bigger issue then the act itself. So he should take whatever punishment comes his way, and move on.
Exactly, he lied he just should have admitted it and qualified it by saying other Quarterbacks do it. Now his reputation takes a hit and furthers the belief that Patriots are cheaters. I say he gets a four game suspension. Gonna be tough for them this year in the AFC east.
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And even worse is they could have averted all of this.
The NFL has concluded its months-long investigation into Deflategate and determined that it is "more probable than not" that two employees deliberately released air from game balls and that New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady "was at least generally aware" of the plan.
The scandal, in which the Patriots were found to be using deflated game balls during their 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC title game, is a huge black eye for the Patriots and Brady, and it draws the legitimacy of last year's Super Bowl championship into question.
Perhaps the most dumbfounding part of this is that the NFL had more than one chance to stop it from happening and did nothing.
According to the report, the league first became aware of the possibility that the Patriots were deflating the footballs when Ryan Grigson, the general manager of the Colts, sent an email to two senior members of the NFL Football Operations Department days before the AFC championship game.
In the email, Grigson included a note from a Colts equipment manager that said the Patriots were known for deflating footballs. He added: "All the Indianapolis Colts want is a completely level playing field. Thank you for being vigilant stewards of that not only for us but for the shield and overall integrity of our game."
Here is the note from the equipment manager to the NFL. It describes exactly what NFL investigators believe happened before the AFC title game:
As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league that after the Patriots gameballs are checked by the officials and brought out for game usage the ballboys for the patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better, it would be great if someone would be able to check the air in the game balls as the game goes on so that they don't get an illegal advantage.
That email was forwarded to several other league officials, including two senior members of the NFL Officiating Department, who responded by saying they would bring the issue up with Walt Anderson, the referee assigned to the AFC title game.
At no time was there any indication that the Patriots were made aware of the Colts' concerns or that the NFL was making members of the Patriots' front office aware of a potential rules infraction.
Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com spoke with an anonymous league official who said this would have never happened under previous commissioners.
"As one league source with no connection to the present controversy explained it to PFT in January, past Commissioners like Paul Tagliabue would have informed the Patriots of the situation," Florio wrote, adding that Tagliabue would have "warned them that the NFL is paying attention, that the league reserves the right to check the air pressure in the footballs during the game, and that any funny business would be met with a decidedly unfunny reaction from the league office."
Doing this would have almost certainly scared the Patriots enough to ensure that nobody was altering the footballs during that game.
This is utter nonsense. There is a rule in place. It is the team's responsibility to follow it, yet they were deliberately and knowingly breaking it (anyone who denies this at this stage is foolish). The league is not obligated to give them a warning about it, especially when the team in question is a known cheating/dishonorable/despicable franchise.
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true - "we know youre cheating so stop it or we will have to bust you" is crap.
let the Pats cheat, then bust them for it.
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The colts warned the NFL before the AFC game, then , they went out there and got their asses handed to them 45 - 7
;D
talk about karma
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The colts warned the NFL before the AFC game, then , they went out there and got their asses handed to them 45 - 7
;D
talk about karma
That's not Karma. Colts did nothing wrong.
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That's not Karma. Colts did nothing wrong.
Yes, the Colts who've been fined and docked draft choices for pumping in fake noise to distract the opponent.
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Tom Brady refused to turn over his texts and emails. How long before a litigious Seahawks fan files suit to obtain those?
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Yes, I remember how "motivated" they were after Spygate. Then 10 years later after they won no Super Bowls, they went back to cheating and got another.
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WE? You on the Team Bro?
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Still funny how Tom Brady, winning 4 Superbowls, going to 6 total Superbowls is so unliked and disrespected.
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Still funny how Tom Brady, winning 4 Superbowls, going to 6 total Superbowls is so unliked and disrespected.
I live in NE and actually like Brady.
But, it's the hypocrisy and arrogance of the fan base that drives me in this stuff.
And, the doubt and speculation around this team is real. It's just part of their history and legacy now.
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I live in NE and actually like Brady.
But, it's the hypocrisy and arrogance of the fan base that drives me in this stuff.
And, the doubt and speculation around this team is real. It's just part of their history and legacy now.
I bet you Montana or Elway could have been caught deflating balls while screwing hookers on the 50 yard line and they wouldn't receive 1/2 mockery as Brady. Something about him is very unlikeable.
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Exactly, he lied he just should have admitted it and qualified it by saying other Quarterbacks do it. Now his reputation takes a hit and furthers the belief that Patriots are cheaters. I say he gets a four game suspension. Gonna be tough for them this year in the AFC east.
The only hope the Dolphins have. :D
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I bet you Montana or Elway could have been caught deflating balls while screwing hookers on the 50 yard line and they wouldn't receive 1/2 mockery as Brady. Something about him is very unlikeable.
Eh, it's the way the world works now with online/social media. So many instant voices, so it has to be put in context with stuff in the past.
Take Breaking Bad - awesome show, no doubt. But if the internet behaved 8 years ago that way it did now, The Shield would have had all the same hype, possibly more. (not interested in debating this, just citing an example).
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Eh, it's the way the world works now with online/social media. So many instant voices, so it has to be put in context with stuff in the past.
Take Breaking Bad - awesome show, no doubt. But if the internet behaved 8 years ago that way it did now, The Shield would have had all the same hype, possibly more. (not interested in debating this, just citing an example).
Ever since the Tuck rule there's been a general lack of respect for Brady.
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Ever since the Tuck rule there's been a general lack of respect for Brady.
Yeah, that didn't help.
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my hate for brady goes back to his early years, pummeling my Dolphins each year. I've since grown to watch bucs a little more, but stll hate the entire AFC except Miami.
He is caught covering up here, it can no longer be argued. The new argument has become "there's nothing wrong with deflating balls and lying about it to investigators''. that's where we are now.
Sean Hannity devoted the first half hour of his show to it until I couldn't take anymore lol. FOX news all over it lol. Hannity said cheating is part of the game and a coverup is totally cool, no suspension. Repub values? :(
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NFL announces punishment !
Brady must spend off season with adoring supermodel wife on the beaches of Brazil! He will also have to pay a fine of 10k so his 320m net worth will be hit hard!
Oh the horror!
:D
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NFL announces punishment !
Brady must spend off season with adoring supermodel wife on the beaches of Brazil! He will also have to pay a fine of 10k so his 320m net worth will be hit hard!
Oh the horror!
:D
Lol! Brady does not look to be worried.
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NFL = WWE! Come on guys you think its real? Well it is not and there is no Santa. Hope this helps
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What's confusing about both DefalteGate & SpyGate (38-14 Week 1 win at Jets in 2007) is that in both games, the Patriots were by far the better team and would have won both games without bending the rules. They didn't need to resort to these measures and take the chance on getting caught...not once, but twice.
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the haters are going to hate,they wish they didn't have to watch their shitty team week after week and hope to just make the playoffs :D funny you didn't see any threads started about the team that got caught piping in fake noise
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NFL announces punishment !
Brady must spend off season with adoring supermodel wife on the beaches of Brazil! He will also have to pay a fine of 10k so his 320m net worth will be hit hard!
Oh the horror!
:D
I must admit, having money does help to lessen the blow of being known as a cheating fraud for the rest of your life.
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the haters are going to hate,they wish they didn't have to watch their shitty team week after week and hope to just make the playoffs :D funny you didn't see any threads started about the team that got caught piping in fake noise
Or the Brown's GM using his cell phone to communicate with the coaches on the sidelines. Most of the Patriots hate stems from how good they are every year.
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CBS reports Brady may miss the YEAR. Crazy. They did kill the Saints for a year cause of bountygate.
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CBS reports Brady may miss the YEAR. Crazy. They did kill the Saints for a year cause of bountygate.
You can't honestly believe that. Brady is one of the NFL's golden boys. He won't get more games then guys who beat the fuck out of women, or pay bounties to injure other players.
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You can't honestly believe that. Brady is one of the NFL's golden boys. He won't get more games then guys who beat the fuck out of women, or pay bounties to injure other players.
Sean Payton was their golden boy at one time. They had no prob blaming him for bountygate.
Peterson was an all NFL badass... they booted him for a year for whipping his kid.
Rapelisberger was never charged, but accused by drunk chicks - lost 4 games i think.
Brady cheated & covered up a deflated ball in a championship game. Lied to NFL's face about it.
Maybe they give him a year and let him appeal it down to 6 games... but really, people will just keep cheating if Brady can do it and get a handful of games or no suspension. Think about what he did. And the way the Pats fumble #s are so far below everyone else, those in the know probably believe it's been going on for years. Their 4 title would probably be 1 or 2 titles without having an easier ball than everyone else.
I think a year would cause people to respect the NFL, and I think they're desperate for respect/credibility. I think he gets a year. he's a liar and a cheat and a high profile one at that. They dont name him as guilty if they dont play on punishing him. HUGE double standard if people lose games (like that one idiot) after being CLEARED of spousal abuse - and he's busted ruining integrity of game red handed. Didn't brady even RUN OVER TO COLLECT THE INTERCEPTED BALL so the Colts wouldn't discover it was flat? lol HE KNEW.
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Sean Payton was their golden boy at one time. They had no prob blaming him for bountygate.
Peterson was an all NFL badass... they booted him for a year for whipping his kid.
Rapelisberger was never charged, but accused by drunk chicks - lost 4 games i think.
Brady cheated & covered up a deflated ball in a championship game. Lied to NFL's face about it.
Maybe they give him a year and let him appeal it down to 6 games... but really, people will just keep cheating if Brady can do it and get a handful of games or no suspension. Think about what he did. And the way the Pats fumble #s are so far below everyone else, those in the know probably believe it's been going on for years. Their 4 title would probably be 1 or 2 titles without having an easier ball than everyone else.
I think a year would cause people to respect the NFL, and I think they're desperate for respect/credibility. I think he gets a year. he's a liar and a cheat and a high profile one at that. They dont name him as guilty if they dont play on punishing him. HUGE double standard if people lose games (like that one idiot) after being CLEARED of spousal abuse - and he's busted ruining integrity of game red handed. Didn't brady even RUN OVER TO COLLECT THE INTERCEPTED BALL so the Colts wouldn't discover it was flat? lol HE KNEW.
He is a scoundrel.
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Sean Payton was their golden boy at one time. They had no prob blaming him for bountygate.
Peterson was an all NFL badass... they booted him for a year for whipping his kid.
Rapelisberger was never charged, but accused by drunk chicks - lost 4 games i think.
Brady cheated & covered up a deflated ball in a championship game. Lied to NFL's face about it.
Maybe they give him a year and let him appeal it down to 6 games... but really, people will just keep cheating if Brady can do it and get a handful of games or no suspension. Think about what he did. And the way the Pats fumble #s are so far below everyone else, those in the know probably believe it's been going on for years. Their 4 title would probably be 1 or 2 titles without having an easier ball than everyone else.
I think a year would cause people to respect the NFL, and I think they're desperate for respect/credibility. I think he gets a year. he's a liar and a cheat and a high profile one at that. They dont name him as guilty if they dont play on punishing him. HUGE double standard if people lose games (like that one idiot) after being CLEARED of spousal abuse - and he's busted ruining integrity of game red handed. Didn't brady even RUN OVER TO COLLECT THE INTERCEPTED BALL so the Colts wouldn't discover it was flat? lol HE KNEW.
That is a HUGE advantage.
Plus it's easier for the receiver to catch.
Colin Cowherd said today that the catching part doesn't matter because it's also easier to intercept with a deflated football. Oh brother. ::)
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Sean Payton was their golden boy at one time. They had no prob blaming him for bountygate.
Peterson was an all NFL badass... they booted him for a year for whipping his kid.
Rapelisberger was never charged, but accused by drunk chicks - lost 4 games i think.
Brady cheated & covered up a deflated ball in a championship game. Lied to NFL's face about it.
Maybe they give him a year and let him appeal it down to 6 games... but really, people will just keep cheating if Brady can do it and get a handful of games or no suspension. Think about what he did. And the way the Pats fumble #s are so far below everyone else, those in the know probably believe it's been going on for years. Their 4 title would probably be 1 or 2 titles without having an easier ball than everyone else.
I think a year would cause people to respect the NFL, and I think they're desperate for respect/credibility. I think he gets a year. he's a liar and a cheat and a high profile one at that. They dont name him as guilty if they dont play on punishing him. HUGE double standard if people lose games (like that one idiot) after being CLEARED of spousal abuse - and he's busted ruining integrity of game red handed. Didn't brady even RUN OVER TO COLLECT THE INTERCEPTED BALL so the Colts wouldn't discover it was flat? lol HE KNEW.
Mark it down Rob, I guarantee that Tom Brady will not get suspended for a year. I will be absolutely shocked if it is more than 4 games.
He probably will get 2-4 games. I will be pleasantly surprised if he does not get suspended at all, considering the "more probable than not" bullshit ::)
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That is a HUGE advantage.
Plus it's easier for the receiver to catch.
Colin Cowherd said today that the catching part doesn't matter because it's also easier to intercept with a deflated football. Oh brother. ::)
yeah colin doesn't buy into the receivers having an advantage, but he is a HUGE voice for the "how the fck the Pats have so few fumbles?"
He's been on that train for months now. Marginal players come to NE and never fumble, even in the snow. Colin talks about that a lot.
I think Colin trolls a lot. He will say things like "I don't see why everyone accuses leBron of HGH" when nobody is accusing LeBron, just to get that debate going so people will realize it.
There are probably other ways the balls being a little flat helps. Very easy for Gronk to make those 1 handed fingertip grabs in pouring rain and snow. Very easy for Blount to run into 5 defenders in a rainstorm and keep ball tucked in. And brady himself, in 2011, admitted a flat ball is way easier to throw.
Those little advantages add up... Instead of heading into halftime 13-10, the pats are up 21-3 thanks to insane ball control in poor elements. Then the other team has to throw every time while getting tired, and pats can run way more to run them down and eat clock. The Pats have awesome leads early, and just pound out fumble-free running. Smart.
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Mark it down Rob, I guarantee that Tom Brady will not get suspended for a year. I will be absolutely shocked if it is more than 4 games.
He probably will get 2-4 games. I will be pleasantly surprised if he does not get suspended at all, considering the "more probable than not" bullshit ::)
Still, suspending the super bowl MVP 4 games for "probable" is insane, right?
they use the word probably, and 100 pages later, they lay out an absolute ironclad proof of Brady engaging in the cover-up and chatting for an hour with a man he denied even knowing.
if even Pats fans are now hoping it's only 2-4 games, we know things have swung way from "Brady is innocent!"
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Sean Payton was their golden boy at one time. They had no prob blaming him for bountygate.
Peterson was an all NFL badass... they booted him for a year for whipping his kid.
Rapelisberger was never charged, but accused by drunk chicks - lost 4 games i think.
Brady cheated & covered up a deflated ball in a championship game. Lied to NFL's face about it.
Maybe they give him a year and let him appeal it down to 6 games... but really, people will just keep cheating if Brady can do it and get a handful of games or no suspension. Think about what he did. And the way the Pats fumble #s are so far below everyone else, those in the know probably believe it's been going on for years. Their 4 title would probably be 1 or 2 titles without having an easier ball than everyone else.
I think a year would cause people to respect the NFL, and I think they're desperate for respect/credibility. I think he gets a year. he's a liar and a cheat and a high profile one at that. They dont name him as guilty if they dont play on punishing him. HUGE double standard if people lose games (like that one idiot) after being CLEARED of spousal abuse - and he's busted ruining integrity of game red handed. Didn't brady even RUN OVER TO COLLECT THE INTERCEPTED BALL so the Colts wouldn't discover it was flat? lol HE KNEW.
The report wasn't even conclusive yet you think he should be suspended for a year? I know no matter what I write you will delve into a diatribe over what a "liar and cheat" he is yet he still went on to blow out the Colts in the second half convincingly and win the Super Bowl. Your hatred for the guy is so obvious you can't even discuss this rationally.
Just curious who your favorite team is because you sound like a Jets fan.
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yeah colin doesn't buy into the receivers having an advantage, but he is a HUGE voice for the "how the fck the Pats have so few fumbles?"
He's been on that train for months now. Marginal players come to NE and never fumble, even in the snow. Colin talks about that a lot.
I think Colin trolls a lot. He will say things like "I don't see why everyone accuses leBron of HGH" when nobody is accusing LeBron, just to get that debate going so people will realize it.
There are probably other ways the balls being a little flat helps. Very easy for Gronk to make those 1 handed fingertip grabs in pouring rain and snow. Very easy for Blount to run into 5 defenders in a rainstorm and keep ball tucked in. And brady himself, in 2011, admitted a flat ball is way easier to throw.
Those little advantages add up... Instead of heading into halftime 13-10, the pats are up 21-3 thanks to insane ball control in poor elements. Then the other team has to throw every time while getting tired, and pats can run way more to run them down and eat clock. The Pats have awesome leads early, and just pound out fumble-free running. Smart.
The Patriots fumbled 24 times as a team in 2013. That was 9th worst in the league that year.
I'm sure Belichick made that a priority in the offseason that year, especially since fumbling too much was what put Ridley into the doghouse.
In 2014, the Patriots finished the season with only 13 fumbles. That wasn't the best in the league though.
The Vikings only had 11. I wonder how they cheated to fumble so little? ::)
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I'll always remember the uncomfortable Brady presser. Bill threw him under the bus the day before and Tom comes in and instead of saying nothing he acts like a moron and says all the wrong answers.
Bottom line the league botched this whole issue, there's no doubt this type of nonsense always happens, it always does in competitive environments, but the NFL let it happen and left the topic blowing in the wind like a flag during a tornado. Goodell is looking like a buffoon.
Suspend Brady and have the public convinced the Patriots are doing unscrupulous activities (I'm sure all teams do, however the Pats have been the most blatant) and the Super Bowl wins are tainted. Or address the issue before hand, specifically warn them you're looking into it, and the problem disappears. Dofus.
Poor ball boys and trainer are the ones who will suffer the most, Brady could have fallen on his sword, protected the two team employees and not had an investigation but instead he tried to cover it up and makes it look like it is a big deal because he knew it was wrong.
I'd like to see David Tyree get his hands on a deflated ball.
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yeah colin doesn't buy into the receivers having an advantage, but he is a HUGE voice for the "how the fck the Pats have so few fumbles?"
He's been on that train for months now. Marginal players come to NE and never fumble, even in the snow. Colin talks about that a lot.
I think Colin trolls a lot. He will say things like "I don't see why everyone accuses leBron of HGH" when nobody is accusing LeBron, just to get that debate going so people will realize it.
There are probably other ways the balls being a little flat helps. Very easy for Gronk to make those 1 handed fingertip grabs in pouring rain and snow. Very easy for Blount to run into 5 defenders in a rainstorm and keep ball tucked in. And brady himself, in 2011, admitted a flat ball is way easier to throw.
Those little advantages add up... Instead of heading into halftime 13-10, the pats are up 21-3 thanks to insane ball control in poor elements. Then the other team has to throw every time while getting tired, and pats can run way more to run them down and eat clock. The Pats have awesome leads early, and just pound out fumble-free running. Smart.
what game are you talking about could have been 13 10
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Lol! Brady does not look to be worried.
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Doesn't look worried here either:
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what game are you talking about could have been 13 10
He is also forgetting that the Patriots have a defense, and that other teams have an equal opportunity to score.
I just disproved his fumble theories a few posts back. The Patriots were in the top ten for most fumbles in 2013, and they did not lead the league in fewest fumbles in 2014.
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Still, suspending the super bowl MVP 4 games for "probable" is insane, right?
they use the word probably, and 100 pages later, they lay out an absolute ironclad proof of Brady engaging in the cover-up and chatting for an hour with a man he denied even knowing.
if even Pats fans are now hoping it's only 2-4 games, we know things have swung way from "Brady is innocent!"
Pats fans have been wrong from the get go. The day before the hosts were mocking the release of the report, saying everyone is going to owe Brady and apology once it gets released. Ooops.
Even a one game suspension says that the NFL found Brady guilty of cheating in an AFC championship game. Add some more tarnish to the legacy.
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Pats fans have been wrong from the get go. The day before the hosts were mocking the release of the report, saying everyone is going to owe Brady and apology once it gets released. Ooops.
Even a one game suspension says that the NFL found Brady guilty of cheating in an AFC championship game. Add some more tarnish to the legacy.
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Those are New York papers. They couldn't possibly be biased.
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Pats fans have been wrong from the get go. The day before the hosts were mocking the release of the report, saying everyone is going to owe Brady and apology once it gets released. Ooops.
Ah, yes. He'll be Vindicated! Now it's moved to "oh, he'll ONLY get 2 games, evreyone cheats, they said PROBABLE, and hey, what's a coverup anyway?"
Oh, and anyone that points out he's a cheat and a liar? They're BIASED now. Against what, dishonesty?
Put that ballboy or soon-to-be-fired equipment man, the self-described "Deflator" on 60 minutes. Watch how fast we learn what the PSI for other years' Pats' championship games was... ;)
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Ah, yes. He'll be Vindicated! Now it's moved to "oh, he'll ONLY get 2 games, evreyone cheats, they said PROBABLE, and hey, what's a coverup anyway?"
Oh, and anyone that points out he's a cheat and a liar? They're BIASED now. Against what, dishonesty?
Put that ballboy or soon-to-be-fired equipment man, the self-described "Deflator" on 60 minutes. Watch how fast we learn what the PSI for other years' Pats' championship games was... ;)
How long did it help them with fumbles then Rob? The Patriots were terrible with fumbles in 2013. Then you make it act like they never fumbled at all in 2014, when they didn't even lead the league in fewest fumbles.
How do you explain how the Vikings led the league with fewest fumbles (11) in 2014? Did they have 9 PSI in the footballs ::)
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never seen such a display of crybabies on one thread before lol
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Bill Polian said in an interview today that "Probable" was the term the NFL has always used to describe a conviction. He said the league has always used "probable" in this manner, and after reading the deflategate report it's obvious that Brady was aware of what happened and what went on.
Also it was said missing a drug test is the same as failing the test, no exceptions, a missed test is considered a positive, this is known and negotiated in contracts with players; in that same way not cooperating with a league investigation is also considered an admission of guilt/wrong doing.
Tom was well aware of his actions.
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And for the record, I said I thought Tom was lying after the press conference. My stance has always been that it wasn't a big deal, and it certainly didn't make the Patriots a better team because a little air was taken out of footballs.
That's how Tom Likes his balls to feel (no homo) wasn't the first, or only quarterback to manipulate his balls (I'm sensing a theme here)
He went overboard in regards to PSI, and then denied knowledge. He will get in trouble for what he did, but nothing was "tainted"
Give me a break. Tell the rest of the shitbag teams around the league to stop making excuses, and learn how to win consistently.
Bucs, Dolphins, and Giants fans........oh brother. These teams can't even make the playoffs. :D
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his balls (I'm sensing a theme here)
He went overboard in regards to PSI, and then denied knowledge. He will get in trouble for what he did, but nothing was "tainted"
If he's suspended by the league, that makes him a confirmed cheater, and he falls into ARod category - nationally despised. Everything will be tainted, and you know it.
Bucs, Dolphins, and Giants fans........oh brother. These teams can't even make the playoffs. :D
All four Giants' championships will be looked at as legit, with one of them having the greatest play in football history, and being one of the top two upsets in the sport's history.
All four Pats championships will have the stink and tarnish of cheating, when viewed through the lens of anyone outside of New England. You know this as well.
Brady and the Pats only chance at a change of public perception is gone after this report. Any league penalties seal it.
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If he's suspended by the league, that makes him a confirmed cheater, and he falls into ARod category - nationally despised. Everything will be tainted, and you know it.
But Brady has money and he goes to beaches in Brazil. ::)
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How do you explain how the Vikings led the league with fewest fumbles (11) in 2014? Did they have 9 PSI in the footballs ::)
Adrian Peterson.
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So funny that the homers thought the NFL wouldn't find anything.
Instead, they actually find an employee whose nickname is "The Deflator".
Only worse name would be if he was titled "Guy who lets the air out of the footballs illegally after the ref measures them".
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everyone knows they didn't pull 2 or 3 PSI out of the ball, and the top QB on planet Earth never noticed lol.
everyone knows from his high pitched giggle when first asked - that he was lying terribly.
Now, you can argue "they can't prove it!" but does anyone seriously, in their right mind, truly believe that Brady didn't know the balls were deflated? Brady admitted in 2011 that he preferred them deflated - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24980832/tom-brady-in-2011-i-like-deflated-footballs
Now, seeing as he's refused to participate in the investigation and give up his text messages with the two proven-guilty people... Does anyone in their right mind truly believe Brady wasn't involved and aware? Bob Kraft has done a full 180 on it too - plans to issue punishment.
he certainly noticed when they over inflated so he certainly noticed when they were under.
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seems the only ones on here crying are the fans of losing teams :D
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seems the only ones on here crying are the fans of losing teams :D
Always furthering the discussion with insightful posts ::)
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someone is getting suspended
http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/761272
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Always furthering the discussion with insightful posts ::)
just stating the facts,sorry if that upsets you :D
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just stating the facts,sorry if that upsets you :D
You haven't stated one fact yet and have been wrong since last year.
If you want, I'll start a sticky with list of 4 of your posts, since that's about the max of your limited range.
Every 20 posts or so, I'll copy/paste one randomly into a thread.
Nobody would know the difference.
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Adrian Peterson.
Are u implying AP was the reason they had the least amount of fumbles in 2014? Cause u know he was suspended the whole season and played just one game
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The anticipation is killing me :-X
The NFL could literally do anything at this point. 1 game, 4 games, 8 games........
Its time for Jimmy Garoppolo to step up. This is a great opportunity for his career.
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Do you guys think Brady will appeal, and/or take this to court?
Would he be able to play during that process, or could Goodell slap the Commissioner's exempt list on him?
Also, I think (wishful thinking) that Brady should only get a 1 game suspension. The Patriots play the opening night, home game to start the season. They will be dropping the championship banner, ceremony etc.....
Missing that, would eat Brady alive. That is like being suspended for multiple games.
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The anticipation is killing me :-X
The NFL could literally do anything at this point. 1 game, 4 games, 8 games........
Its time for Jimmy Garoppolo to step up. This is a great opportunity for his career.
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Gonna be fun to watch Suh accidentally step on Garoppolo after sacking him :)
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Gonna be fun to watch Suh accidentally step on Garoppolo after sacking him :)
I already have a built in excuse this year anyway. If the Patriots don't win the AFC East, it was because Brady missed some games :D
Where is ROPO at? That is the real tin-foil hat conspiracy. Goodell was tired of the Patriots success, and is suspending Brady to get more parody in the league.
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You haven't stated one fact yet and have been wrong since last year.
If you want, I'll start a sticky with list of 4 of your posts, since that's about the max of your limited range.
Every 20 posts or so, I'll copy/paste one randomly into a thread.
Nobody would know the difference.
lol your nothing but a typical new York fan crybaby, I took the liberty of ordering you this :D :D :D
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I already have a built in excuse this year anyway. If the Patriots don't win the AFC East, it was because Brady missed some games :D
Where is ROPO at? That is the real tin-foil hat conspiracy. Goodell was tired of the Patriots success, and is suspending Brady to get more parody in the league.
The word you are looking for is "parity," jackass.
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The word you are looking for is "parity," jackass.
You know what I meant, that is what counts :-*
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Doesn't work - I'm a Giants fan....wouldn't change a thing with the Pats.
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You are obviously butthurt because you actually think the Patriots or Tom Brady give a shit about what you think.
FWIW...I don't care who wins or loses these games...what entertains me is all the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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You are obviously butthurt because you actually think the Patriots or Tom Brady give a shit about what you think.
FWIW...I don't care who wins or loses these games...what entertains me is all the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
No, I don't. I've never said or implied that they read the forums.
But Pats fans sure do. That's why they've been twisting themselves into a knot all over all forms of media for the second time in four months. That's the entertaining part.
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No, I don't. I've never said or implied that they read the forums.
But Pats fans sure do. That's why they've been twisting themselves into a knot all over all forms of media for the second time in four months. That's the entertaining part.
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You keep referring to "asterisks" like it would matter.
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You keep referring to "asterisks" like it would matter.
Well, you keep responding.
But, wrong again. I've consistently said that this is part of their legacy and history. Outside of NE, they'll be viewed as cheaters and tarnished titles. Inside NE, the smart ones will just enjoy their football team. The homers will be in denial and keep trying to convince others.
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Well, you keep responding.
But, wrong again. I've consistently said that this is part of their legacy and history. Outside of NE, they'll be viewed as cheaters and tarnished titles. Inside NE, the smart ones will just enjoy their football team. The homers will be in denial and keep trying to convince others.
Does their "history and legacy" affect you at all? Can you speak for how everyone outside NE who gives a shit about football feels?
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Well, you keep responding.
But, wrong again. I've consistently said that this is part of their legacy and history. Outside of NE, they'll be viewed as cheaters and tarnished titles. Inside NE, the smart ones will just enjoy their football team. The homers will be in denial and keep trying to convince others.
No question about it.
Especially after 2 blatant incidences at bending the rules.
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No question about it.
Especially after 2 blatant incidences at bending the rules.
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They've been caught twice. How many times haven't they been caught?
Despicable franchise that should be contracted.
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Does their "history and legacy" affect you at all? Can you speak for how everyone outside NE who gives a shit about football feels?
Does it affect me? No. Will I make fun of them incessantly about it? Yes.
Unlike you, though, I tend to have something to back up what I say. I've seen numerous polls (ESPN, etc...), with large samplings, that showed demographically, the feelings of fans on deflategate. To a state, every single one outside NE had the majority of people feeling they were guilty. This was before the Wells report. So, yeah, I can say with confidence the Pats are despised on the whole outside of NE. Unless, of course, you can prove otherwise.
If you want to argue semantics though, I'm not interested.
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Does it affect me? No. Will I make fun of them incessantly about it? Yes.
Unlike you, though, I tend to have something to back up what I say. I've seen numerous polls (ESPN, etc...), with large samplings, that showed demographically, the feelings of fans on deflategate. To a state, every single one outside NE had the majority of people feeling they were guilty. This was before the Wells report. So, yeah, I can say with confidence the Pats are despised on the whole outside of NE. Unless, of course, you can prove otherwise.
If you want to argue semantics though, I'm not interested.
You've "proven" your "case" with numerous "polls" ::)
"Guilty" of cheating in a football game. ::)
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giants have a hard time making the playoffs,and if i remember right in 2011 they did some cheating themselves with the fake injuries lol
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You've "proven" your "case" with numerous "polls" ::)
"Guilty" of cheating in a football game. ::)
And you've continued to prove nothing, "gargles on schlong"
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And you've continued to prove nothing, "gargles on schlong"
Hilarious retort, raisin monkey.
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Hilarious retort, raisin monkey.
You're not worth anything more.
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Barrels of Dong
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the only balls "deflated" are mine as I just emptied them on your mom's face....
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rofl http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/09/reality-not-looking-good-for-tom-brady-and-patriots/IGT3myWkYdZagI4FCzkHKJ/story.html?event=event25
“Time to parachute down from Planet Patriot and introduce yourself to reality.”
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This may actually benefit the patriots. If they can win a few games with the 2nd string quarterback, and stay in at least 2nd or 3rd place, then Brady starts to play, well, you have a healthy Brady midway through the season, not nearly as banged up from playing 17 games before the playoffs.
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- Brady suspended 4 games
- Pats lose a 1st round pick next year and a 4th round pick in 2017
- Pats fined $1 million
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- Brady suspended 4 games
- Pats lose a 1st round pick next year and a 4th round pick in 2017
- Pats fined $1 million
Massive penalty - congrats to all of us who were correct in our assessments.
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score one for the crybabies :D
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score one for the crybabies :D
For the record, you were not one of the runs who was correct about anything.
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For the record, you were not one of the runs who was correct about anything.
I said score one for crybabies,so obviously I wasn't talking about myself.Brady will appeal this
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they are now suspending people for More then likely / probable ::)
whats next, they will remove Jerry Rice's bust from the hall of fame for using stickem when it was a banned substance and considered cheating if used
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So the Pats go 12-4 this season and Brady gets more time to hit the weights. Everybody wins!
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they are now suspending people for More then likely / probable ::)
whats next, they will remove Jerry Rice's bust from the hall of fame for using stickem when it was a banned substance and considered cheating if used
no, the crybabies won't jump on that it's not the patiots you know ;D
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This is only the beginning. I'm sure the Patriots and Brady will both appeal. How can the league come out and say that Kraft and Belichick likely knew nothing, then go and take 2 draft picks and 1 million dollars from the team ???
I thought this was about Brady? This was just the opening shot. They will likely have an expedited, arbitration hearing, where we will see if these penalties will hold up.
I think the penalties will be cut in half across the board.
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brady knew the balls were flat, he admitted in 2011 he had a preference, and he surely noticed it in the game.
brady actively participated in a coverup, and lied about knowing the Deflator, despite them having some long convo and lots of texts.
We can use the wording of the report 'probable', etc... but all know brady knew the balls were flatter, and he lied to the NFL about knowing the Deflator. That's why he is suspended. He lied to the commissioner/investigator and embarrassed the NFL. He's luck it's only 4 games to be honest.
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brady knew the balls were flat, he admitted in 2011 he had a preference, and he surely noticed it in the game.
brady actively participated in a coverup, and lied about knowing the Deflator, despite them having some long convo and lots of texts.
We can use the wording of the report 'probable', etc... but all know brady knew the balls were flatter, and he lied to the NFL about knowing the Deflator. That's why he is suspended. He lied to the commissioner/investigator and embarrassed the NFL. He's luck it's only 4 games to be honest.
can you go watch soccer and let the football fans talk :D
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It's about time the league took a semi-tough stand against an organization this is well known to be chronic cheaters.
The sad thing is they will still win that pathetic division they are in.
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they are now suspending people for More then likely / probable ::)
whats next, they will remove Jerry Rice's bust from the hall of fame for using stickem when it was a banned substance and considered cheating if used
To the non-lawyer, the money quotes from the Ted Wells report suggest a mere probability that cheating occurred. But the specific terminology used by Wells actually indicates a belief that the evidence satisfies one of the most common standards used in a court of law.
“More probable than not” equates to a “preponderance of the evidence,” the standard that applies in most civil lawsuits. It means that the evidence makes it more likely than not, in the opinion of the investigator, that “New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules,” and that “Tom Brady . . . was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities.”
That’s a standard perhaps even higher than the one that applies to players accused of violating the Personal Conduct Policy, where “credible corroborating evidence” (even without cooperation from the alleged victim) can result in a significant suspension. Regardless, it’s enough proof on which the NFL can base punishment of a team.
“Too often, competitive violations have gone unpunished because conclusive proof of the violation was lacking,” Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote to the NFL’s Competition Committee in 2008, after the last game-integrity infraction involving the Patriots. “I believe we should reconsider the standard of proof to be applied in such cases, and make it easier for a competitive violation to be established.”
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This is only the beginning. I'm sure the Patriots and Brady will both appeal. How can the league come out and say that Kraft and Belichick likely knew nothing, then go and take 2 draft picks and 1 million dollars from the team ???
I thought this was about Brady? This was just the opening shot. They will likely have an expedited, arbitration hearing, where we will see if these penalties will hold up.
I think the penalties will be cut in half across the board.
Kraft said last week he would accept any penalty and not appeal, fan.
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Kraft said last week he would accept any penalty and not appeal, fan.
I'm not so sure that he thought the organization would get such stiff penalties. The report cleared Kraft and Belichick of any wrongdoing.
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Kraft wants this over. He can't change his mind now anyway, hurts his teams' lying/cheating rep even more.
Already showing on Felger and Mazz how the guy who is known as "the deflator" was assigned to the officials' locker room to handle the footballs right after the rule change in 06/07.
And it was Belicheat who did this.
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2 games for TKO your wife in an elevator
4 games for losing 1psi on a couple footballs
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funny thing is the patriots will still end up with a better record than the giants and will make the playoffs :D
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dolphins, jets , bills, ... pats will still win the division even if they start 0-4
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Funny that Belicheat didn't get disciplined ::)... Without him..... the Pats would truly suffer... Remember when Matt Cassel took the helm, and the Pats won a ton of games... Brady is a system QB.
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Already showing on Felger and Mazz how the guy who is known as "the deflator" was assigned to the officials' locker room to handle the footballs right after the rule change in 06/07.
bwahahahahhahaah i said this, right after the super bowel [sic]... it was brady and manning that lobbied so hard to control their own footballs, it was then that the Fumble stats all changed in favor of the Pats...
i'm certain the cheating started then, and it's been going on for almost a decade. Four games for 7 years of flat footballs is a dream punishment.
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He will appeal and probably end up with 1 or 2. They still win the east, and lose to The Ravens in the AFCCG.
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bwahahahahhahaah i said this, right after the super bowel [sic]... it was brady and manning that lobbied so hard to control their own footballs, it was then that the Fumble stats all changed in favor of the Pats...
i'm certain the cheating started then, and it's been going on for almost a decade. Four games for 7 years of flat footballs is a dream punishment.
there's a soccer game on ESPN2 ;D
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Brady just told Stephen Smith that he could've punched his wife Gisele and knocked her out and would've only been suspended for two games like Ray Rice.
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Funny how all the defense is now what others did or who else hasn't been caught instead of just owning up to it.
The cheated. Then lied about it. Then didn't cooperate. Then got caught.
This is why the penalty is so severe.
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Looks like Brady's first game will be in Dallas.
All I can say to that little bit of news....Bring It On Bitch.
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Goodell is an idiot. This guy has no idea how to handle discipline issues and he's become a power thirsty mad man. Suspend Brady, fine the club but taking away Draft picks for this is completely unnecessary.
He'd been better off taking away Draft picks because of the Hernandez incidents, citing the club for character selections and defamation of the shield.
I really don't get this guy, he cites these teams for the actions of a few and tells them ignorance is no excuse yet he continues to ignore his very public short comings and errors, while increasing his bonus benefits.
He continues to make mountains of mole hills with his lack of preventative measures and allowing every issue to become a major topic. Under his leadership we may very well be witnessing the beginning of the end of this sport.....
Meltdown
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Brady would have gotten a fine and maybe a Pats draft pick... if he didn't try to cover it up.
lying to everyone and dragging this out...
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Yes x2 five untainted rings for the great one, Joe Big Swinging Dick Montana 8)
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Yes x2 five untainted rings for the great one, Joe Big Swinging Dick Montana 8)
Joe has 4 superbowl rings. The other ring is from college.
Montana was throwing to a cheating WR ( Rice) all of his superbowls are tainted.
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Joe has 4 superbowl rings. The other ring is from college.
Montana was throwing to a cheating WR ( Rice) all of his superbowls are tainted.
Yes that's why I said rings and not Superbowl rings you blithering idiot.
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why didn't he get a year? sean payton was suspended for a year
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why didn't he get a year? sean payton was suspended for a year
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Why didnt Rapelisberger get a year.? Its more likely than not, that he forced himself upon that girl in the bathroom stall.
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Goodell is going to feel very awkward come Feb 2016 when he is handing Tom Brady superbowl trophy
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Brady's been on the decline, and his replacement jeannie garraflo is a stud who will be their QB for a decade.
imagine if he starts 3-1 or 4-0, and they LEAVE brady on the bench.
Don't forget, Brady lied to Kraft's face and made him act the fool for the world - Kraft has to be pissed!
Don't forget, there was talk of trading brady in a year or 2 already
Don't forget, Brady will be retired in 1-3 years anyway, he's not the future.
Maybe behind closed doors, he's started his last game, gone out on top, and they'll bench or trade or ostracize him. They'd LOVE to have that Brady money to spend elsewhere this year ;)
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What the NFL SHOULD always is make sure everyone isn't cheating in the games.
If you hire a bunch of savages to rip each other heads off, what you SHOULDN'T do is judge the way they act off the field. That has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the game--just marketing of it.
The world is a messed up place that people don't get this.
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funny thing is the patriots will still end up with a better record than the giants and will make the playoffs :D
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And even with a perfectly inflated ball,
The pats still beat the nfl's 2nd best team in the league the seahawks
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Can anyone post the NFL code violation number in the rule book gor penalty of playing with an under inflated gameball?
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i dont think you could put 12PSIs in cutlers training pants if you wanted too
once a monster of width and size, reduced to nothing , now walks around with the size of the general public of gym goers that lift twice a week
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i dont think you could put 12PSIs in cutlers training pants if you wanted too
once a monster of width and size, reduced to nothing , now walks around with the size of the general public of gym goers that lift twice a week
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Ten weeks of training and he would be the #6 bodybuilder in the world.
most people forget that. That is what he did last year.
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I'm finding it interesting how rational people up here are losing their minds.
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Tom brady will be 38yrs old starting the next season, i dont know why he would bother fighting the suspension, at his age missing 3 shitty worthless preseason games , and 1/4 of the regular season would benefit him greatly , he will come into the season like Bo jackson did on FIRE while everyone else is worn and beaten the first quarter of the season
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Tom brady will be 38yrs old starting the next season, i dont know why he would bother fighting the suspension, at his age missing 3 shitty worthless preseason games , and 1/4 of the regular season would benefit him greatly , he will come into the season like Bo jackson did on FIRE while everyone else is worn and beaten the first quarter of the season
Because losing even one game without Brady can be the difference between home field advantage or not.
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Because losing even one game without Brady can be the difference between home field advantage or not.
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Lets assume that Brady serves the full 4 games. Im hoping the Pats can go at least 2-2, because they started the 2014 season 2-2, with everyone questioning them.
Im just not sure the secondary can hold up this year. They just let go of Arrington and Dennard, and we already know about the departures of Revis and Browner.
Looks like we may have to score 30+ points to win again.
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Why didnt Rapelisberger get a year.? Its more likely than not, that he forced himself upon that girl in the bathroom stall.
no evidence, hence no charges
plenty of evidence against tom SHADY
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Lets assume that Brady serves the full 4 games. Im hoping the Pats can go at least 2-2, because they started the 2014 season 2-2, with everyone questioning them.
Im just not sure the secondary can hold up this year. They just let go of Arrington and Dennard, and we already know about the departures of Revis and Browner.
Looks like we may have to score 30+ points to win again.
Brady gonna be running for his life when he comes back from his four game suspension. Defenses got a lot better Jets Dolphins and Bills. No cake walk this year. I think Indy will win the AFC this year.
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Brady gonna be running for his life when he comes back from his four game suspension. Defenses got a lot better Jets Dolphins and Bills. No cake walk this year. I think Indy will win the AFC this year.
It wasn't a cake walk last year with changes in the O line.
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It wasn't a cake walk last year with changes in the O line.
Revis swap makes it worse.
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I think Indy will win the AFC this year.
I agree
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Too bad what the Pats did has nothing to do with any of the others.
But it also ignores all the context around second offense, lying, and not complying.
Anyway, now Pats fans are showing their intelligence by getting arrested today.
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funny thing is the patriots will still end up with a better record than the giants and will make the playoffs :D
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oh he is a black comedian , its ok for him to make Spouse abuse jokes :D
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When will the IFBB come down on past Mr Olympia Champions for Cheating and Taking PED while competing on stage???
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Clip of game broadcast of phil simms discussing the tampering of rodgers balls
http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-likes-to-tamper-with-footballs-too-1680676328 (http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-likes-to-tamper-with-footballs-too-1680676328)
Aaron Rodgers Likes To Tamper With Footballs, Too
We have now reached the point in the New England Patriots' Ballghazi scandal where Patriots fans can start claiming that the team didn't do anything that every other team in the NFL isn't also doing.
The defense enters the above video into evidence. Here we have CBS broadcasters Jim Nantz and Phil Simms casually recounting their pregame conversation with Aaron Rodgers before his Week 13 matchup with the Patriots. According to Simms, Rodgers admitted to them that he likes to over-inflate game balls. "I like to push the limits of how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do," is what Simms recalls Rodgers telling them.
I think it's pretty obvious that what we need now are Congressional hearings. Cheaters are brazenly disgracing the game of football right under our noses, and we need some answers! Who has ever actively participated in the over- or under-inflating of footballs? Is Rodgers a single actor, or did he have the support of a cell? Whose money is behind the New England Patriots, anyway? At what temperature can jet fuel melt a steel beam?
Where are the video tapes? We need video tapes!
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Regardless if Brady did or didn't cheat, we can all assume that on any given Sunday, the NFL could investigate any team and find some dirt. What a fucking weird world we live in where Gooddell goes after a squeaky clean white dude who is basically the face of the NFL, married to a supermodel and never been in trouble with the law. Yet goes out of his way to cover up dirt on the animals of the league. Talk about fucked up priorities...
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Regardless if Brady did or didn't cheat, we can all assume that on any given Sunday, the NFL could investigate any team and find some dirt. What a fucking weird world we live in where Gooddell goes after a squeaky clean white dude who is basically the face of the NFL, married to a supermodel and never been in trouble with the law. Yet goes out of his way to cover up dirt on the animals of the league. Talk about fucked up priorities...
Well said.
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Regardless if Brady did or didn't cheat, we can all assume that on any given Sunday, the NFL could investigate any team and find some dirt. What a fucking weird world we live in where Gooddell goes after a squeaky clean white dude who is basically the face of the NFL, married to a supermodel and never been in trouble with the law. Yet goes out of his way to cover up dirt on the animals of the league. Talk about fucked up priorities...
now brady to tell the NFL and its PR team to fuck off and suck cock when they ask him for favors to promote the League and "THE SHIELD"
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:D
NFL is mocking Brady and the Pats now on almost every post they post up
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Regardless if Brady did or didn't cheat, we can all assume that on any given Sunday, the NFL could investigate any team and find some dirt. What a fucking weird world we live in where Gooddell goes after a squeaky clean white dude who is basically the face of the NFL, married to a supermodel and never been in trouble with the law. Yet goes out of his way to cover up dirt on the animals of the league. Talk about fucked up priorities...
No, they went after a team that they told years ago to stop cheating. And they didn't, got caught, lost draft picks, and the coach was fined.
Then they did it again. And lied about it.
That's why the league went after them full force, and that's why the penalties were so severe.
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Regardless if Brady did or didn't cheat, we can all assume that on any given Sunday, the NFL could investigate any team and find some dirt. What a fucking weird world we live in where Gooddell goes after a squeaky clean white dude who is basically the face of the NFL, married to a supermodel and never been in trouble with the law. Yet goes out of his way to cover up dirt on the animals of the league. Talk about fucked up priorities...
the deflatriots cheating is a bigger black eye for the sport, you can't have your most competitive team over the last 15 years be thought of as a complete farce and not think that won't hurt the league overall
if the nfl wants to maintain it's spot as the number 1 juggarnaut in the sporting world it's best to make sure that the fans think of the game as legit, and not just the best cheater winning
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Regardless if Brady did or didn't cheat, we can all assume that on any given Sunday, the NFL could investigate any team and find some dirt. What a fucking weird world we live in where Gooddell goes after a squeaky clean white dude who is basically the face of the NFL, married to a supermodel and never been in trouble with the law. Yet goes out of his way to cover up dirt on the animals of the league. Talk about fucked up priorities...
Imagine a world where a 'commissioner' of a league was an impartial arbiter of owner's/player's interests? Hah! Good one. ::)
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Imagine a world where a 'commissioner' of a league was an impartial arbiter of owner's/player's interests? Hah! Good one. ::)
Good point
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The only reason the league is going full force after the Pats is because they can take it...Patriots are the Batman of the league...The more the Patriots win their division, the harder it is to tell people that the Nfl is a great league with Parody...The viewer is being lied too.
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some on here are obsessed with the patriots probably because their team has a hard time making .500 season after season,so they obsess with the patriots,what a sad fan :D
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Jets tamper with Revis and get a slap on the hand. Pats should have gotten a draft pick from the Jets. They didn't because the Jets suck so bad the league knows the Jets can't take it. That's how bad this league is. Only a few elite teams who are so much better than the others. Half the teams have owners who could care less if they win. Every week we could see a few elite teams put up 60, 70 maybe even 100 points on another team. We don't because teams would be shunned for doing so and the brand would suffer. League wants the illusion of Parody...The whole thing is make believe...The NFL is more like College if it were played straight up...Refs call certain things to help keep the games closer. Idiots like Jerry Rice coming out calling the Pats cheaters. Stfu Rice you cheating son of a bitch. Montana use to give Rice a bottle of stick-em every time Rice would drop a ball as a joke. But Montana knew Rice was cheating and in essence helping him cheat...
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Jets tamper with Revis and get a slap on the hand. Pats should have gotten a draft pick from the Jets. They didn't because the Jets suck so bad the league knows the Jets can't take it. That's how bad this league is. Only a few elite teams who are so much better than the others. Half the teams have owners who could care less if they win. Every week we could see a few elite teams put up 60, 70 maybe even 100 points on another team. We don't because teams would be shunned for doing so and the brand would suffer. League wants the illusion of Parody...The whole thing is make believe...The NFL is more like College if it were played straight up...Refs call certain things to help keep the games closer. Idiots like Jerry Rice coming out calling the Pats cheaters. Stfu Rice you cheating son of a bitch. Montana use to give Rice a bottle of stick-em every time Rice would drop a ball as a joke. But Montana knew Rice was cheating and in essence helping him cheat...
Aaron Rodgers has also admitted to cheating. He over-inflates the footballs. I wonder if the league will suspend him now?
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And it begins..
If the NFL wanted a fight with Tom Brady, they’re going to get one. And history indicates it’s not going to turn out real well for the league.
A day after being suspended four games for his role in Deflategate, the Patriots quarterback has hired 61-year-old Jeffrey Kessler as his lawyer for this Deflategate, as reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter. He has represented the players associations of the NFL and NBA in countless arbitrations involving player free agency rights, collusion claims, and salary caps.
Why should the NFL, which also fined the Patriots $1 million and docked the team two draft picks, be concerned?
Kessler is arguably the most successful lawyer in history representing clients who take on established sports leagues. Namely:
In Brady v. NFL, he successfully represented a class of NFL players in an antitrust action which eventually led to the end of the 2011 NFL lockout.
In Belichick v. NFL, et al., he represented Belichick in litigation over changing teams.
In NFLPA v. NFL, he represented NFLPA in a successful challenge to provisions of NFL TV Contracts used to fund the NFL 2011 Lockout.
In McNeil, et al. v. NFL, et al., he won jury verdict for NFL players striking down free agency restrictions under the antitrust laws, eventually leading to the Reggie White class action. That case paved the way for the negotiation of free agency and the salary cap system in the NFL.
In North American Soccer League, et al. v. NFL, he successfully represented North American Soccer League in antitrust case striking down NFL ownership rules.
Most recently, he represented Adrian Peterson and forced the league to reinstate the running back. Safe to say, the NFL didn’t envision this when they started asking about PSIs of footballs in January.
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LOL
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Regardless if Brady did or didn't cheat, we can all assume that on any given Sunday, the NFL could investigate any team and find some dirt. What a fucking weird world we live in where Gooddell goes after a squeaky clean white dude who is basically the face of the NFL, married to a supermodel and never been in trouble with the law. Yet goes out of his way to cover up dirt on the animals of the league. Talk about fucked up priorities...
i agree. Maybe thats y hes coming down hard on this??? He's f'ed up in the past(Ray Rice 2 games) so hes showing hes not soft anymore??
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Regardless if Brady did or didn't cheat, we can all assume that on any given Sunday, the NFL could investigate any team and find some dirt. What a fucking weird world we live in where Gooddell goes after a squeaky clean white dude who is basically the face of the NFL, married to a supermodel and never been in trouble with the law. Yet goes out of his way to cover up dirt on the animals of the league. Talk about fucked up priorities...
I honestly think Goodell is in over his head.
I initially thought he was good for the league but he has made every issue a public nightmare. There is nothing new, as far as crimes go (on or off the field) over the last 50 years, but these goofs can't seem to keep this stuff off the front pages. Every issue shouldn't be a headline grabbing topic.
He may have gotten the owners some new revenue streams, but what sports league isn't making money hand over fist. Because of his lack of awareness we are watching a money train derail in slow motion.
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Pat fans are so stupid. :-\
http://www.gofundme.com/NewEnglandPatriots
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The only reason the league is going full force after the Pats is because they can take it...Patriots are the Batman of the league...The more the Patriots win their division, the harder it is to tell people that the Nfl is a great league with Parody...The viewer is being lied too.
Wrong again. The league went full force after the Pats because they were already convicted of cheating in the past, after being warned.
Then they cheated again, lied about it, and didn't offer full compliance.
That's the reason. The NFL doesn't want the face of their league to be involved in scandal. You're getting absolutely ridiculous here.
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I wish the marathon bomber would have used a bigger bomb.
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Brady cannot sue, or the Pats can subpoena his cell records as part of their defense.
Will. Never. Happen.
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some on here are obsessed with the patriots probably because their team has a hard time making .500 season after season,so they obsess with the patriots,what a sad fan :D
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Pat fans are so stupid. :-\
http://www.gofundme.com/NewEnglandPatriots
haha are u f**kin kidding me??
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The only reason the league is going full force after the Pats is because they can take it...Patriots are the Batman of the league...The more the Patriots win their division, the harder it is to tell people that the Nfl is a great league with Parody...The viewer is being lied too.
their division stinks
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One of the finest Americans.
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I think he's a girl.
But this is the great thing about Anerica.
We can disagree on who is/is not a girl and not get thrown in the gulag.
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Wrong again. The league went full force after the Pats because they were already convicted of cheating in the past, after being warned.
Then they cheated again, lied about it, and didn't offer full compliance.
That's the reason. The NFL doesn't want the face of their league to be involved in scandal. You're getting absolutely ridiculous here.
Jets have been nailed for tempering more than once and only got a slap on the wrist for tempering with Revis. By your standard, the Jets should have really been hit hard. Atlanta has been pumping crowd noise into their stadium for many years. Where told many times to stop. They didn't listen. Yet they were given a slap on the hand. They get a slap on the hand because their teams suck. Many believe Seattle pumps/pumped crowd noise into their stadium. If the league nailed them on it tomorrow, I'd bet the house they would lose draft picks because Seattle is elite. NFL wants Parody anyway they can get it. They crushed the Saints with Bounty-gate because the Saints were considered an elite system. More than half the teams were doing some kind of bounty system on players...
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pats fan are like some ghetto mom defending their son with a rap sheet a mile long
"my baby is a good boy"
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Jets have been nailed for tempering more than once and only got a slap on the wrist for tempering with Revis. By your standard, the Jets should have really been hit hard. Atlanta has been pumping crowd noise into their stadium for many years. Where told many times to stop. They didn't listen. Yet they were given a slap on the hand. They get a slap on the hand because their teams suck. Many believe Seattle pumps/pumped crowd noise into their stadium. If the league nailed them on it tomorrow, I'd bet the house they would lose draft picks because Seattle is elite. NFL wants Parody anyway they can get it. They crushed the Saints with Bounty-gate because the Saints were considered an elite system. More than half the teams were doing some kind of bounty system on players...
You underestimate how serious the league took Spygate. And they warned them in advance. If they hit them with a 500k fine and took draft picks before, how would they lessen the penalty for a second offense, and one in which they lied and didn't comply?
If the Pats would have said "we're sorry for our actions and will never let it happen again", this would be done, and the penalties minimum.
The NFL isn't doing this for "parity" (parody as you call it). The Pats have won once in last 10 years, so why would the league attack them? Only the Giants and Steelers have repeated in the last decade. Lay out the business case, because I'm guessing the Pats on the road are a pretty big draw.
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some on here are obsessed with the patriots probably because their team has a hard time making .500 season after season,so they obsess with the patriots,what a sad fan :D
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my team has 6 super bowls bitch
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my team has 6 super bowls bitch
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not directed at you ;D
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You underestimate how serious the league took Spygate. And they warned them in advance. If they hit them with a 500k fine and took draft picks before, how would they lessen the penalty for a second offense, and one in which they lied and didn't comply?
If the Pats would have said "we're sorry for our actions and will never let it happen again", this would be done, and the penalties minimum.
The NFL isn't doing this for "parity" (parody as you call it). The Pats have won once in last 10 years, so why would the league attack them? Only the Giants and Steelers have repeated in the last decade. Lay out the business case, because I'm guessing the Pats on the road are a pretty big draw.
Winning the SuperBowl isn't the end all be all when it comes to parity(thanks for the right spelling ;)) In the last 20 years(1995-2015) The Patriots have been in 7 Super Bowls(35%)...Hell in the last 30 years they've been in 8 Super Bowls. (over 1/4 of all Super Bowls played in the last 3 decades have featured the Patriots. Win or lose) For reference on the Pats greatness, since 1995, beginning of the Yankee's Jeter era, the Patriots have won (7) conference championships. The same as the Yankee's AL pennants(7)...That's mind boggling...The league absolutely hates that...As does the average fan outside of New England...I do agree with you that if the Pats or Brady said something like " ya it looks like my ball boys took it a little too far and it will never happen again". It would be a non story other than Brady throwing his boys under the bus...
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the team that gets caught the most
the team that cheats the most
the team that wins the most
we have to wonder how many other little cheats that NE has gotten away with over the years. Add them up, that's a lot of close games going their way. Being 12-4 versus 9-7, and home field, is only a few little cheats.
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Winning the SuperBowl isn't the end all be all when it comes to parity(thanks for the right spelling ;)) In the last 20 years(1995-2015) The Patriots have been in 7 Super Bowls(35%)...Hell in the last 30 years they've been in 8 Super Bowls. (over 1/4 of all Super Bowls played in the last 3 decades have featured the Patriots. Win or lose) For reference on the Pats greatness, since 1995, beginning of the Yankee's Jeter era, the Patriots have won (7) conference championships. The same as the Yankee's AL pennants(7)...That's mind boggling...The league absolutely hates that...As does the average fan outside of New England...I do agree with you that if the Pats or Brady said something like " ya it looks like my ball boys took it a little too far and it will never happen again". It would be a non story other than Brady throwing his boys under the bus...
The league doesn't hate it at all, unless you can prove that it costs them $. And if you believe that they would do this to prevent it, the whole things a sham, so why would you care about the titles anyway then, legit or not?
It's been proven that the Yankees winning was great for baseball. Why is it different if NE wins division/AFC championship and a SB every ten years?
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the nba took a MONSTER hit when we discovered refs were actually fixing games.
the NFL is scared of this. They will publicly punish things like this. It hurts the integrity of the game, while ray rice punching his wife (who had cornered, lunged, and struck him leading up to his actions), just hurts the image.
2 games for beating, 4 games for cheating - they care more about the integrity of the shield.
and let's all be honest here - Brady was doing this shit for years. You just KNEW that espn, deadspin, etc are all offering this locker room manager a million bucks to "tell his story" of how many big games used these cheat balls. Dude was fired from the patriots.
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and let's all be honest here - Brady was doing this shit for years.
You think?
A.J. Feeley played quarterback for five different NFL teams during an 11-year career that began in 2001. On Wednesday, Feeley said that during his time with the Dolphins in 2004, he observed Tom Brady using a "beat-up" football during a game when the rules stipulated that new footballs provided by the league had to be used.
“Prior to Tommy and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, ‘Let us doctor our balls' we used to all play with the same balls,” Feeley told 97.5 The Fanatic, via PFT.
(In 2006, two years after Feeley says he saw Brady breaking the rules, the NFL allowed teams to provide their own footballs for use during games, thanks largely to the lobbying efforts of Brady and Manning.)
Feeley continued: “Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in.”
So for those of you who think January's AFC Championship Game wasn't the first time Brady and the Patriots were guilty of skirting the rules, here's your (alleged) smoking gun. For those of you wondering why Feeley waited 11 years to speak up, that's a fair question. Either way, Feeley says he didn't appreciate the gamesmanship.
“He's getting his own balls thrown in on offense,” Feeley said. “That was an issue to me at the time. ...We saw it then.”
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You think?
yeah, if the NFL really wanted to, they could check the video from the BAL game, the week before the COLTS game.
I bet that same ballboy took a 100-second deflate-break on the way to the field that week, too. I bet the NFL wants to pretend it was only the one game.
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I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.
Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.
"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman
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I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.
Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.
"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman
;D
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I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.
Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.
"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman
I can't stop laughing at all the twatwaffles who think their miserable existences will somehow be improved now that Tom Brady was "caught."
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ESPN hinting McNally will eventually do a "tell all" interview.
he is very unhappy with Brady shitting on him in the press. Already threatened Brady in his texts about "I'm not going to espn... YET".
Mcnally has since been fired and brady's attorney is shaming him in the press. Today is the LAST day for brady to appeal. the actual messy stuff, going to court, is going to wreck brady due to the discovery process. Brady will have to turn over his entire records that he's been able to hide so far. IMO, he can't and won't sue.
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ESPN hinting McNally will eventually do a "tell all" interview.
he is very unhappy with Brady shitting on him in the press. Already threatened Brady in his texts about "I'm not going to espn... YET".
Mcnally has since been fired and brady's attorney is shaming him in the press. Today is the LAST day for brady to appeal. the actual messy stuff, going to court, is going to wreck brady due to the discovery process. Brady will have to turn over his entire records that he's been able to hide so far. IMO, he can't and won't sue.
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I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.
Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.
I can't stop laughing at all the people who criticize the discussion yet post in the thread while incorrectly assuming the context around it.
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I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.
Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.
"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman
If it doesn't make a difference then why does he do it and cover it up ???
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Brother in my opinion, Brady tried to hide it exactly because he knew it was against the rules- but it's not a real rule like the rule where you must score in YOUR end zone and you can't just turn around and run into the other end zone and call it a touchdown. Or the rule that says you can only have 11 players on your side and not put 15 players on the field and score and that's cool.
It like the rule where interior offensive lineman can only have uniform numbers from 60-79. That has zero influence on the game but it's still a rule. Or the rule that kickers must wear a helmet. Helmet or no helmet- it makes zero difference to the game but it's a rule. Or the rule that all players must wear the same colored jersey on game day. That influences absolutely nothing but it's a rule.
2-3 PSI less in the football...
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some on here are obsessed with the patriots probably because their team has a hard time making .500 season after season,so they obsess with the patriots,what a sad fan :D
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Brother in my opinion, Brady tried to hide it exactly because he knew it was against the rules- but it's not a real rule like the rule where you must score in YOUR end zone and you can't just turn and run into the other end zone and call it a touchdown. Or the rule that says you can only have 11 players on your side and not put 15 players on the field and score and that's cool.
It like the rule where interior offensive lineman can only have uniform numbers from 60-79. That has zero influence on the game but it's still a rule. Or the rule that kickers must wear a helmet. Helmet or no helmet- it makes zero difference to the game but it's a rule. Or the rule that all players must wear the same colored jersey on game day. That influence absolutely nothing but it's a rule.
2-3 PSI less in the football...
Talk about soft-selling. Oh brother.
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Brother in my opinion, Brady tried to hide it exactly because he knew it was against the rules- but it's not a real rule like the rule where you must score in YOUR end zone and you can't just turn and run into the other end zone and call it a touchdown. Or the rule that says you can only have 11 players on your side and not put 15 players on the field and score and that's cool.
It like the rule where interior offensive lineman can only have uniform numbers from 60-79. That has zero influence on the game but it's still a rule. Or the rule that kickers must wear a helmet. Helmet or no helmet- it makes zero difference to the game but it's a rule. Or the rule that all players must wear the same colored jersey on game day. That influence absolutely nothing but it's a rule.
2-3 PSI less in the football...
So why does Brady do it then, if it makes no difference?
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Talk about soft-selling. Oh brother.
American football will soon invade your island country and we'll see who has the last laugh sir.
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American football will soon invade your island country and we'll see who has the last laugh sir.
Laughs on us, Sir. We'd rather watch your college ball than CFL. Hell, I'll watch anything else than CFL. :-\
/johnny looking great with the high and tight. very fighter-pilot-ish. j edgar approved.
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So why does Brady do it then, if it makes no difference?
Brady didn't tell me why he did it or does it, but I can guess-
-he does it for the same reason I never toast my pop tarts, I just like them cold. They taste better to me not toasted. It doesn't change the nutritional value of my breakfast, I just prefer cold pop tarts.
Brady just prefers a football with 2-3 less PSI. Here's a nice picture to prove it.
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Brady didn't tell me why he did it or does it, but I can guess-
-he does it for the same reason I never toast my pop tarts, I just like them cold. They taste better to me not toasted. It doesn't change the nutrition value of my breakfast, I just prefer cold pop tarts.
Brady just prefers a football with 2-3 less PSI. Here's a nice picture to prove it.
Given their miniscule fumble rate, I'm guessing the whole team digs the flat ball.
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Brady didn't tell me why he did it or does it, but I can guess-
-he does it for the same reason I never toast my pop tarts, I just like them cold. They taste better to me not toasted. It doesn't change the nutritional value of my breakfast, I just prefer cold pop tarts.
Brady just prefers a football with 2-3 less PSI. Here's a nice picture to prove it.
Well, it's not a reach to say he likes it like that because it enables him to throw it better. Why else would a quarterback prefer that? If he throws it better, it affects the game. But it's outside the approved limits, so it's illegal and cheating.
A corked bat would be a better analogy than the way a pop tart tastes. Pop tart taste doesn't affect "performance".
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FORMER DOLPHINS OL COACH JIM TURNER ON TED WELLS: ‘INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, MY [EXPLETIVE]’
05.14.15 at 1:07 pm ET
By Ryan Hannable
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted on Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted against Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turner, who was interviewed by Ted Wells as part of the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito bullying scandal, went on the attack Thursday on Ted Wells when appearing on Sirius XM’s Mad Dog Sports Radio.
“When you sit in front of them, they are under attack,” Turner said. “There are accusations. It’s obvious they have an agenda and in my case their agenda was to defend [Jonathan] Martin at all costs. It was clear by the questioning. It was easy to see. To be honest with you, when you’re sitting across from him, I’ll be honest, it was almost laughable when I was sitting there because it was almost like I was in the movie Office Space and I was sitting across from Bob and Bob. I’m looking at these guys and what could these two lawyers — what could they possibly understand about a NFL locker room?”
Turner said he understands why Tom Brady didn’t hand over his cell phone to him.
“One thing stands out to me and it is just how smart Tom Brady is,” he said. “He didn’t trust the Wells Report. He didn’t trust Wells. If he did, he would have complied a little more. From my experience I see the crossover between things that are happening to the Patriots right now and things that happened to me. Wells is not a good human being. When I didn’t give him the stories he wanted, he targeted me as part of a problem in Miami. He’s not an independent investigator. He’s not doing it looking at both sides of the situation. He’s hired by the NFL and he’s going to print the story they wanted printed.”
Added Turner: “100 percent — Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, I wouldn’t say a word. Independent investigator, my [expletive].”
Turner was fired by the Dolphins following the report back in February of 2014.
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FORMER DOLPHINS OL COACH JIM TURNER ON TED WELLS: ‘INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, MY [EXPLETIVE]’
05.14.15 at 1:07 pm ET
By Ryan Hannable
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted on Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted against Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turner, who was interviewed by Ted Wells as part of the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito bullying scandal, went on the attack Thursday on Ted Wells when appearing on Sirius XM’s Mad Dog Sports Radio.
“When you sit in front of them, they are under attack,” Turner said. “There are accusations. It’s obvious they have an agenda and in my case their agenda was to defend [Jonathan] Martin at all costs. It was clear by the questioning. It was easy to see. To be honest with you, when you’re sitting across from him, I’ll be honest, it was almost laughable when I was sitting there because it was almost like I was in the movie Office Space and I was sitting across from Bob and Bob. I’m looking at these guys and what could these two lawyers — what could they possibly understand about a NFL locker room?”
Turner said he understands why Tom Brady didn’t hand over his cell phone to him.
“One thing stands out to me and it is just how smart Tom Brady is,” he said. “He didn’t trust the Wells Report. He didn’t trust Wells. If he did, he would have complied a little more. From my experience I see the crossover between things that are happening to the Patriots right now and things that happened to me. Wells is not a good human being. When I didn’t give him the stories he wanted, he targeted me as part of a problem in Miami. He’s not an independent investigator. He’s not doing it looking at both sides of the situation. He’s hired by the NFL and he’s going to print the story they wanted printed.”
Added Turner: “100 percent — Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, I wouldn’t say a word. Independent investigator, my [expletive].”
Turner was fired by the Dolphins following the report back in February of 2014.
Ted Wells is a c0ck g0bbler, no doubt about it.
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FORMER DOLPHINS OL COACH JIM TURNER ON TED WELLS: ‘INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, MY [EXPLETIVE]’
05.14.15 at 1:07 pm ET
By Ryan Hannable
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted on Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins coach Jim Turner ranted against Ted Wells Thursday. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Former Dolphins offensive line coach Jim Turner, who was interviewed by Ted Wells as part of the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito bullying scandal, went on the attack Thursday on Ted Wells when appearing on Sirius XM’s Mad Dog Sports Radio.
“When you sit in front of them, they are under attack,” Turner said. “There are accusations. It’s obvious they have an agenda and in my case their agenda was to defend [Jonathan] Martin at all costs. It was clear by the questioning. It was easy to see. To be honest with you, when you’re sitting across from him, I’ll be honest, it was almost laughable when I was sitting there because it was almost like I was in the movie Office Space and I was sitting across from Bob and Bob. I’m looking at these guys and what could these two lawyers — what could they possibly understand about a NFL locker room?”
Turner said he understands why Tom Brady didn’t hand over his cell phone to him.
“One thing stands out to me and it is just how smart Tom Brady is,” he said. “He didn’t trust the Wells Report. He didn’t trust Wells. If he did, he would have complied a little more. From my experience I see the crossover between things that are happening to the Patriots right now and things that happened to me. Wells is not a good human being. When I didn’t give him the stories he wanted, he targeted me as part of a problem in Miami. He’s not an independent investigator. He’s not doing it looking at both sides of the situation. He’s hired by the NFL and he’s going to print the story they wanted printed.”
Added Turner: “100 percent — Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, I wouldn’t say a word. Independent investigator, my [expletive].”
Turner was fired by the Dolphins following the report back in February of 2014.
Summary: Guy who lost his job because of Wells accuses Wells of being biased.
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Hmmm..
As a result, at halftime, members of the officiating crew assigned to the game, overseen by a senior officiating supervisor from the National Football League (the “NFL” or the “League”), tested the air pressure of footballs being used by each of the Patriots and the Colts. All eleven of the Patriots game balls tested measured below the minimum pressure level of 12.5 pounds per square inch (“psi”) allowed by Rule 2 of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League (the “Playing Rules”) on both of two air pressure gauges used to test the balls. The four Colts balls tested each measured within the 12.5 to 13.5 psi range permitted under the Playing Rules on at least one of the gauges used for the tests.
This statement is not complete. Halftime psi measurements are on pg. 8. The reality is that, on the second gauge, 3 of 4 Colts footballs were below regulation. A more accurate and complete statement regarding the Colts footballs would have been: “Using two different gauges (one of which was used for pre-game psi measurements), the League tested only four Colts footballs at halftime. Three of those footballs measured below regulation on the so-called “non-Logo” gauge. Four measured at or above regulation on the so-called “Logo” gauge. One Colts football averaged below regulation when taking into account both gauges. As soon as that fourth Colts football was measured, League personnel stopped any further gauging of Colts footballs. Relying on the higher Logo gauge measurements of the Colts football, League officials decided not to add air to any of the Colts footballs. Additional measurements using the same two gauges were made post-game. Post-game, each of the four Patriots footballs measured were well above the required level of 12.5 psi on both gauges (including one that had been overinflated to 13.65 on the Logo gauge). Three of the four Colts footballs measured below 12.5 psi on the non-Logo gauge (a violation of League rules), one measured below 12.5 psi on both gauges (also a violation), and three Colts footballs measured above 12.5 on the Logo gauge.”
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i would've been fine with tomlin being fired whether this was an accident or intentional
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I can't stop laughing at all the dorks, nerds and non-athletes that actually think playing with a football with 2-3 less PSI means the difference in winning and losing. It makes zero difference. None.
Brady is a stud and the Patriots know how to win.
"Two or three less PSI in the football. I can't stop laughing." - G. Zimmerman
try throwing or catching a deflated football, tell me it's not a lot easier
i don't know how or why aaron rodgers prefers it to be bigger
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Lol, so the Pats are saying that the deflator nickname is because the ball boy lost weight. HAHAHA. Come on man.
I knew something was up years ago when they had Deon Branch and it was a playoff game, super fucking snow storm. Their opponent was struggling and the Pats were throwing 50 yard bombs to branch and he was squeezing them in. I was wondering what the fuck was going on and how can he be doing these one hand grabs when the snow was 10 inches thick.
Anyone thinks the Pats are alone are just stupid. Every team and numerous players cheat.
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Lol, so the Pats are saying that the deflator nickname is because the ball boy lost weight. HAHAHA. Come on man.
I knew something was up years ago when they had Deon Branch and it was a playoff game, super fucking snow storm. Their opponent was struggling and the Pats were throwing 50 yard bombs to branch and he was squeezing them in. I was wondering what the fuck was going on and how can he be doing these one hand grabs when the snow was 10 inches thick.
Anyone thinks the Pats are alone are just stupid. Every team and numerous players cheat.
Actually at the time the rules were not changed yet, so qbs and teams didn't have their own set of footballs. It was until Peyton and Brady years later told the NFL if they could have their own set of footballs set to their preference
Correct me if I'm wrong
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Actually at the time the rules were not changed yet, so qbs and teams didn't have their own set of footballs. It was until Peyton and Brady years later told the NFL if they could have their own set of footballs set to their preference
Correct me if I'm wrong
Only home teams had access to the balls prior to the rule change. The hosting team provided the balls for the visitor
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a whole lotta NFL running backs feel a smaller ball means fewer fumbles.
a nice handful of QBs said a flatter ball is way easier to throw, particularly if you have tiny twink hands.
Brady doesn't risk this much - and giggle/lie then coverup/lie, unless it was worth the risk.
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a whole lotta NFL running backs feel a smaller ball means fewer fumbles.
a nice handful of QBs said a flatter ball is way easier to throw, particularly if you have tiny twink hands.
Brady doesn't risk this much - and giggle/lie then coverup/lie, unless it was worth the risk.
have you ever even touched a football before,stick to your soccer
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Anyone thinks the Pats are alone are just stupid. Every team and numerous players cheat.
This ^
All sports, all people look for an edge. Pats get caught, cause of success. (Everyone hates them, out to get them) You think the Raiders are even paid any attention.
People freaking over this, meanwhile their home life is in ruins... really boggles the fucking mind...
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lol gotta love the old Mike Tomlin maneuver
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Mike Tomlin should have been suspended 8 games for that little stunt.
Brady to appeal:
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12887452/nflpa-appeals-four-game-suspension-new-england-patriots-quarterback-tom-brady
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The officials alone should handle the balls.
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i always wondered how adam viniatieri kicked those field goals in the snow in the tuck rule playoff game against the raiders
i thought kicking the ball would be like kicking a rock in that weather, apparently not
another thing gronk played his senior year of high school football in my area, he caught 8 passes the entire season and he wasn't exactly a touchdown machine in college, now he looks like he could be the best tight end ever
makes you wonder...
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i always wondered how adam viniatieri kicked those field goals in the snow in the tuck rule playoff game against the raiders
i thought kicking the ball would be like kicking a rock in that weather, apparently not
another thing gronk played his senior year of high school football in my area, he caught 8 passes the entire season and he wasn't exactly a touchdown machine in college, now he looks like he could be the best tight end ever
makes you wonder...
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We already know that multiple times, the pats have found ways to successfully cheat.
They've been caught at times... but really, were they caught for ALL of the ways they've cheated? They probably laugh at the fact they've been caught for spygate and deflategate, but probably have gotten away with twenty other "gates" taht we'll never know about.
They're smart, they're shrewd.
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lol the idiots on here are letting their imaginations run wild
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lol the idiots on here are letting their imaginations run wild
Yup, the Gronk and Vinatieri post takes the cake...
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lol the idiots on here are letting their imaginations run wild
And they skip over the actual evidence I posted on page 12.
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Actually at the time the rules were not changed yet, so qbs and teams didn't have their own set of footballs. It was until Peyton and Brady years later told the NFL if they could have their own set of footballs set to their preference
Correct me if I'm wrong
The home teams supplied the balls. Which led to the Pats doing this:
Jay Feely), said he saw Tom Brady receiving broken-in footballs during a game in 2004, back when the same balls were used by both teams. Feeley, meanwhile, said the Dolphins were getting new balls every time they were on offense.
“Prior to Tommy and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, ‘Let us doctor our balls’ we used to all play with the same balls. […] Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in.”
Feely said Brady getting his own balls “was an issue to me at the time” and said something to the ball boy and received a smirk
They always cheated. It's the Patriot way.
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crybaby giants fans are the worse,should worry about just getting to .500 lol
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If a slightly deflated ball is easier to throw, catch and hold onto (I've never seen real evidence)...why doesn't the NFL deflate all balls? They're always looking to increase offense.
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Lol, so the Pats are saying that the deflator nickname is because the ball boy lost weight. HAHAHA. Come on man.
I knew something was up years ago when they had Deon Branch and it was a playoff game, super fucking snow storm. Their opponent was struggling and the Pats were throwing 50 yard bombs to branch and he was squeezing them in. I was wondering what the fuck was going on and how can he be doing these one hand grabs when the snow was 10 inches thick.
Anyone thinks the Pats are alone are just stupid. Every team and numerous players cheat.
Exactly. Every single player on both sides knows the deal. If it EVER bothered the defense they would immediately stop the game, get the referee, point at the ball and scream, "THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED!! THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED!!!" They do exactly that every time an offensive player jumps offside or is guilty of illegal motion.
Not one single player EVER complains because they do not care. An underinflated ball means nothing. Nothing.
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Exactly. Every single player on both sides knows the deal. If it EVER bothered the defense they would immediately stop the game, get the referee, point at the ball and scream, "THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED!! THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED!!!" They do exactly that every time an offensive player jumps offside or is guilty of illegal motion.
Not one single player EVER complains because they do not care. An underinflated ball means nothing. Nothing.
I means EVERYTHING to a quarterback if that's what he's comfortable with and has had success and confidence with.
You keep saying it doesn't matter, but never why he prefers it or why they deflated them for him.
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poor giants fan hoping for a .500 season,feel bad for Beckham Jr great receiver playing on a shitty team
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poor giants fan hoping for a .500 season,feel bad for Beckham Jr great receiver playing on a shitty team
Haters best avoid looking at the record books.
If you ever need a reminder of how good Tom Brady is, all you need to do is look at the Super Bowl record book, which has basically turned into Brady's autobiography.
The Patriots quarterback practically rewrote the record book during New England's 28-24 win over Seattle in Super Bowl XLIX. Brady broke, tied or extended eight Super Bowl records in the Patriots win.
Among the records that Brady broke were: Most completions in a game (37), most completions in a half (20), most Super Bowl starts (6) and most career touchdown passes in the Super Bowl (13).
Brady's 37 completions broke Peyton Manning's old record of 34, which was set last season in Denver's 43-8 loss to Seattle.
The most impressive record is probably the touchdown pass record. Brady's four touchdown passes against the Seahawks gave him 13 for his career in the Super Bowl, moving him past Joe Montana, who threw 11 touchdown passes in four Super Bowls. Brady went into Super Bowl XLIX with only nine career touchdown passes in the Big Game.
Besides breaking four records, Brady also tied two records. Two big records.
Thanks to the win, Brady now joins Montana and Terry Bradshaw as the only quarterbacks in NFL history who have won four Super Bowls as a starter.
Brady's 328-yard, four touchdown performance against Seattle earned him his third Super Bowl MVP award, which tied Joe Montana for the most ever.
Of course, there were also some records that Brady couldn't break because he already had them. Going into Super Bowl XLIX, Brady held the record for most career passes, most career completions and most career passing yards.
By tacking on 37 completions, 50 pass attempts and 328 passing yards to those records, Brady probably put those records far out of reach.
The Super Bowl record book next year should probably just have a picture of Brady on it.
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Roger Goodell to hear Tom Brady's appeal of Deflategate suspension
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Great lets have the guy that issued the punishment hear the appeal. ::)
If the evidence against Brady is so strong, Goodell should welcome the opportunity to have a truly independent arbitrator examine it..guess not.
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If a slightly deflated ball is easier to throw, catch and hold onto (I've never seen real evidence)...why doesn't the NFL deflate all balls? They're always looking to increase offense.
why don't you try to throw or catch one yourself for "evidence"
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Yup, the Gronk and Vinatieri post takes the cake...
hey when you have a history of cheating everything in your history will come into question
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Haters best avoid looking at the record books.
If you ever need a reminder of how good Tom Brady is, all you need to do is look at the Super Bowl record book, which has basically turned into Brady's autobiography.
The Patriots quarterback practically rewrote the record book during New England's 28-24 win over Seattle in Super Bowl XLIX. Brady broke, tied or extended eight Super Bowl records in the Patriots win.
Among the records that Brady broke were: Most completions in a game (37), most completions in a half (20), most Super Bowl starts (6) and most career touchdown passes in the Super Bowl (13).
Brady's 37 completions broke Peyton Manning's old record of 34, which was set last season in Denver's 43-8 loss to Seattle.
The most impressive record is probably the touchdown pass record. Brady's four touchdown passes against the Seahawks gave him 13 for his career in the Super Bowl, moving him past Joe Montana, who threw 11 touchdown passes in four Super Bowls. Brady went into Super Bowl XLIX with only nine career touchdown passes in the Big Game.
Besides breaking four records, Brady also tied two records. Two big records.
Thanks to the win, Brady now joins Montana and Terry Bradshaw as the only quarterbacks in NFL history who have won four Super Bowls as a starter.
Brady's 328-yard, four touchdown performance against Seattle earned him his third Super Bowl MVP award, which tied Joe Montana for the most ever.
Of course, there were also some records that Brady couldn't break because he already had them. Going into Super Bowl XLIX, Brady held the record for most career passes, most career completions and most career passing yards.
By tacking on 37 completions, 50 pass attempts and 328 passing yards to those records, Brady probably put those records far out of reach.
The Super Bowl record book next year should probably just have a picture of Brady on it.
you forgot most times caught cheating
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I means EVERYTHING to a quarterback if that's what he's comfortable with and has had success and confidence with.
You keep saying it doesn't matter, but never why he prefers it or why they deflated them for him.
OK OK I get it now. Here's our stumbling block- I actually like Brady and the Patriots. I frequently bet on them. They always cover the spread. They win me money. I like Brady, he's cool.
You strongly dislike the Patriots and Brady. Perhaps you're a Miami Dolphins fan- perhaps you like the Jets. No matter. Clearly you dislike the entire Patriot organization. That's cool.
In over 10,000 offensive plays run by Tom Brady, never, not one single time, has any opposing player complained or implied that the football was 2-3 PSI lower than the rules specific. Why? Because it does not matter to them. It means nothing. It's evidently just the way Brady likes the football. It means nothing.
Go Patriots!
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OK OK I get it now. Here's our stumbling block- I actually like Brady and the Patriots. I frequently bet on them. They always cover the spread. They win me money. I like Brady, he's cool.
You strongly dislike the Patriots and Brady. Perhaps you're a Miami Dolphins fan- perhaps you like the Jets. No matter. Clearly you dislike the entire Patriot organization. That's cool.
In over 10,000 offensive plays run by Tom Brady, never, not one single time, has any opposing player complained or implied that the football was 2-3 PSI lower than the rules specific. Why? Because it does not matter to them. It means nothing. It's evidently just the way Brady likes the football. It means nothing.
Go Patriots!
I don't like those teams and I don't actually dislike Brady. I live about 10 minutes from Gillette Stadium and I'm a sports fan. I like the Giants, so I would never change a thing about the Pats, since they've provided me was the best football memories ever.
But as for deflategate, I'm surrounded by all this BS right now. I've heard almost every detail, argument, and "breaking news". It's all anyone talks about. What I can't stand is the blind homerism I'm surround by, and the myriad of excuses, hypocrisy, and arrogance of the fanbase and, to an extent, the organization. The way the story has unfolded is high comedy (Pats fans went from physics experts with mastery of knowledge between the weather and PSI, to now legal experts in the language used in the wells report).
FWIW, a lot of the sports radio hosts up here are Pats fans, and THEY think the Pats are guilty and need to move on from this. Claiming a guy referring to himself as "The Deflator" means weight loss? You can't make this stuff up.
But, to say the football PSI doesn't matter is just silly, by the very fact that the QB wants the footballs that way, and the organization has a procedure on how they do it.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493270/article/new-england-patriots-will-not-appeal-nfl-decision?campaign=Facebook_news (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493270/article/new-england-patriots-will-not-appeal-nfl-decision?campaign=Facebook_news)
New England Patriots will not appeal NFL decision
Robert Kraft has decided not to appeal the discipline handed down by the NFL following the investigation into the use of under-inflated footballs in the AFC Championship.
"I don't want to continue the rhetoric," Kraft said Tuesday at the Spring League Meeting. "I'm going to accept, reluctantly, what (Goodell) has given to us. We won't appeal."
Kraft said that the interests of the 32 teams in the league are more important than the Patriots' interest. But he's hoping that the ugly back-and-forth that has taken place since the NFL's suspension will die down. The Patriots will accept the $1 million fine and the loss of a 2016 first round draft pick and a 2017 fourth round draft pick. Kraft also publicly supported Goodell.
"If I made the decision last week, it would be different than it is today," Kraft said.
Tom Brady officially appealed his four game suspension last week. The NFLPA confirmed Tuesday that Kraft's decision will not affect Brady's suspension.
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I'm surprised no one is looking into the crooked Refs. They handle the ball on every play. During that specific game they were wiping the balls down with a towel. You'd think a ref who's done hundreds of games would notice if a ball felt underinflated, but they didn't seem to care and let NE carry on. If anything the refs are probably more corrupt than NE.
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I'm surprised no one is looking into the crooked Refs. They handle the ball on every play. During that specific game they were wiping the balls down with a towel. You'd think a ref who's done hundreds of games would notice if a ball felt underinflated, but they didn't seem to care and let NE carry on. If anything the refs are probably more corrupt than NE.
Would be great to be that ball.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493270/article/new-england-patriots-will-not-appeal-nfl-decision?campaign=Facebook_news (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493270/article/new-england-patriots-will-not-appeal-nfl-decision?campaign=Facebook_news)
New England Patriots will not appeal NFL decision
Robert Kraft has decided not to appeal the discipline handed down by the NFL following the investigation into the use of under-inflated footballs in the AFC Championship.
"I don't want to continue the rhetoric," Kraft said Tuesday at the Spring League Meeting. "I'm going to accept, reluctantly, what (Goodell) has given to us. We won't appeal."
he knows his golden boy Tommy lied straight to his face.
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I'm surprised no one is looking into the crooked Refs. They handle the ball on every play. During that specific game they were wiping the balls down with a towel. You'd think a ref who's done hundreds of games would notice if a ball felt underinflated, but they didn't seem to care and let NE carry on. If anything the refs are probably more corrupt than NE.
Exactly right. The thing is, like the NBA who blamed all the gambling and fixing games on one ref when all of the them were doing some crooked shit and fixing games, the NFL most likely has the same deal going on. The NFL refs are told by the league to keep the games "fair". Which means to help shitty teams stay in a game whenever possible. My guess is when it comes to deflated balls, Brady and others probably give gifts to refs to look the other way and or help Brady keep his balls on the low end...Aaron Rodgers like's a ton of air in his balls. He said he has his ballboys put 2 or 3 or more Lbs of air in his balls and hopes the refs don't catch it. Well if Rodgers is giving the refs who check his balls some extra cash/gifts on the side, then the refs will let it slide. I believe this is the real story of the NFL. Because not one ref has ever said a thing about any QB's balls in the history of the league, then they must be in on it. It makes no sense that the refs didn't fix the problem along time ago...
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Exactly right. The thing is, like the NBA who blamed all the gambling and fixing games on one ref when all of the them were doing some crooked shit and fixing games, the NFL most likely has the same deal going on. The NFL refs are told by the league to keep the games "fair". Which means to help shitty teams stay in a game whenever possible. My guess is when it comes to deflated balls, Brady and others probably give gifts to refs to look the other way and or help Brady keep his balls on the low end...Aaron Rodgers like's a ton of air in his balls. He said he has his ballboys put 2 or 3 or more Lbs of air in his balls and hopes the refs don't catch it. Well if Rodgers is giving the refs who check his balls some extra cash/gifts on the side, then the refs will let it slide. I believe this is the real story of the NFL. Because not one ref has ever said a thing about any QB's balls in the history of the league, then they must be in on it. It makes no sense that the refs didn't fix the problem along time ago...
Yep. The argument about Brady not knowing is refuted by the fact he's an NFL QB who's paid millions and of course he'd notice the difference. Same is true about the refs, minus the millions in dollars. They'd know the difference of a soft football vs. a normal one. Especially when they were wiping them down with a towel between plays that game.
Don't get me started about stupid refs in the NBA. I hate it when they knowingly blow a call so a couple plays later they call a phantom foul to on the team who benefitted earlier to make it even. I hate that shit.
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I just checked the internet credit rankings, and it's now official - the 2 NY Giants victories over NE each count as 1.5 Superbowl titles, since the Giants likely had to overcome the Pats cheating.
Giants now have 5 legit titles to the Pats tainted four. And Eli owns Brady in Superbowls even moreso.
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I just checked the internet credit rankings, and it's now official - the 2 NY Giants victories over NE count as 1.5 Superbowl titles, since the Giants likely had to overcome the Pats cheating.
Giants now have 5 legit titles to the Pats tainted four. And Eli owns Brady in Superbowls even moreso.
Great to hear.
Very underrated QB, Eli Manning.
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Great to hear.
Very underrated QB, Eli Manning.
I still laugh at how Eli has 2 and Peyton has 1 when Peyton was on more winning teams and had way better regular seasons. I hope when they both retire that Eli has more rings.
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he knows his golden boy Tommy lied straight to his face.
I always found it creepy how Kraft called him Tommy when no one else did. Even his coach calls him Tom. Everyone calls him Tom but to Kraft he is Tommy.
Wonder if Tommy did private dances for Kraft.
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I still laugh at how Eli has 2 and Peyton has 1 when Peyton was on more winning teams and had way better regular seasons. I hope when they both retire that Eli has more rings.
I can't see Peyton getting another ring. He's amazing but he's pushing 40 and has a reconstructed neck and I believe nerve damage in his throwing arm triceps related to this. He can't keep this up forever and he's been the only thing on his good teams dragging them kicking and screaming to the playoffs for his whole career.
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Wonder if Tommy did private dances for Kraft.
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Yep. The argument about Brady not knowing is refuted by the fact he's an NFL QB who's paid millions and of course he'd notice the difference. Same is true about the refs, minus the millions in dollars. They'd know the difference of a soft football vs. a normal one. Especially when they were wiping them down with a towel between plays that game.
Don't get me started about stupid refs in the NBA. I hate it when they knowingly blow a call so a couple plays later they call a phantom foul to on the team who benefitted earlier to make it even. I hate that shit.
agreed on all counts.
Those NFL refs totally knew when the balls were a little off. So did Brady, all lying little bitches.
And yes, that "make up call" bullshit in the NBA is disgusting too. At some point, they should invest in software and robot refs that'll call the shit fairly. G
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I think that the rules have become so strict that if everything would be flagged the games would never end.
Was it already in early nineties when one ref said that you could call holding on eacd and every snap.
Why does Rodgers want his footballs overinflated? Does he have ernomous hands?
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Would be great to be that ball.
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I was just wondering what became of this yesterday. Did they have the appeal yet ???
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Sooo... Tom Brady smashed his phone with a hammer when the NFL asked to see his texts, huh?
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Sooo... Tom Brady smashed his phone with a hammer when the NFL asked to see his texts, huh?
Completely reasonable. I smashed my iPhone 4S up when I got the 5S.
Or I sold it back to Apple, I can't remember.
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Brady said he smashes phones regularly. This one was just part of the normal rotation and it was only a coincidence that it occurred right AFTER dude asked for text records.
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What the fuck. So now Peter King is apologizing for giving false info he received from the NFL. Turns out only 1 out of 12 balls was deflated. How the fuck is this even an issue? Is the NFL using this as a reason to punish the Patriots for something else? Is there a bigger scandal involving the Patriots and Brady that they don't want to admit to in fear of tarnishing the league? Fixed games maybe? Something else?
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Hahaha 1 ball only ??? ???
The balls are rotated almost after every down by the refs, so brady now can count footballs better then Rain man counting toothpicks in a dinner
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The NFL is becoming a joke.
Goodell shouldn't have ALL of the power; the players were dumb in signing the last collective bargaining agreement. Look at how popular football is compared to baseball, then compare the salaries. ???
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What the fuck. So now Peter King is apologizing for giving false info he received from the NFL. Turns out only 1 out of 12 balls was deflated. How the fuck is this even an issue? Is the NFL using this as a reason to punish the Patriots for something else? Is there a bigger scandal involving the Patriots and Brady that they don't want to admit to in fear of tarnishing the league? Fixed games maybe? Something else?
the story on it
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/24/king-apologizes-for-false-psi-report/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/24/king-apologizes-for-false-psi-report/)
Since the Ted Wells report was released on May 6, we’ve known that a report from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen regarding the air pressure measured in 11 of 12 Patriots footballs at halftime of the AFC title game was wrong. ESPN has never apologized for the erroneous report. (Mortensen recently deleted a tweet containing the report without comment; however, the original ESPN.com story still contains the inaccurate information.)
On Sunday, Ben Volin of the Boston Globe brought to light the fact that Peter King of TheMMQB.com later echoed Mort’s report. King’s report also included a claim that all 12 footballs used by the Colts were measured to be within the accepted range at halftime of the game. (In reality, only four Colts footballs were measured, and one of the gauges used showed that three of the balls were under 12.5 PSI.)
King has now explained his report, and he has apologized for it.
It wasn’t King’s report but Mortensen’s that turned a curiosity into #DeflateGate! Still, the reports were both wrong — and the fact that two prominent national reporters published the same false information makes the league’s decision to remain silent in the aftermath of the reports even more glaring.
On Sunday, when the dots were connected from an ESPN story back to an ESPN analyst regarding the shameful “fall guy” routine from the 2014 Rookie Symposium, the NFL immediately pulled the plug on a video that had been hiding in plain sight on the league’s website for more than a year. Why did the NFL never correct the record on data that created a clear impression that tampering occurred at a time when the Patriots were forced to defend themselves in the court of public opinion without access to the truth?
King still believes that his source believed the false information to be true, which may or may not be the product of George Costanza’s advice for beating a polygraph machine. King also isn’t convinced that he and Mort were used to push a false narrative.
As we see it, there’s no other logical explanation. Otherwise, the NFL would have pounced to correct the error.
“[T]he reason I’m skeptical about this is because with the knowledge that there would be a full investigation and clearly the air pressure in the footballs would be publicized at some point, the league would look stupid for putting out false information that would eventually come back to embarrass the league,” King wrote Monday.
But it wasn’t definite that the league would look stupid. With the false PSI reports from more than three months earlier not even mentioned in the 243-page Wells report, someone had to actually connect the dots back to the initial reports. Perhaps whoever leaked the false information was more concerned about ensuring that the presumption of cheating would be investigated than about the possibility of the league being embarrassed later by a disconnect between the leaks provided to Mortensen and King and reality.
Regardless of whether King’s source believed or didn’t believe the information, someone told a lie to someone else, and that lie became regarded as the truth due in large part to the failure of the NFL to call out the falsehoods.
“Clearly, this story, along with the Ray Rice story from last fall, has made me question sources and sourcing in general, and in a story as inflammatory as this one, you can’t just take the story of a person whose word you trust as gospel,” King explained.
The broader message is that it’s dangerous in cases like this to believe anything at face value. Everyone who provides information on an off-the-record basis has an agenda. Sometimes, the goal is merely to have a good relationship with the reporter. On other occasions, the goal is to use that good relationship to propagate a lie.
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The NFL is doing whatever it takes to stay on top but a league that employees so many thugs and idiots ( I'm not talking about the black players) is going to implode sooner or later.
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whole lotta texts, deception and lying for an innocent tom brady.
He went out of his way to change stories, change positions, smash phones, for a man with nothing to hide ;)
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243-page Wells report , to find ONE ball was under inflated ::) in a game the pats won 45 - 7
What a fucking joke of a commissioner
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whole lotta texts, deception and lying for an innocent tom brady.
He went out of his way to change stories, change positions, smash phones, for a man with nothing to hide ;)
But all for 1 ball. Something else is up.
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kind of like the NFL lying saying they never got the elevator video of rice smashing this wife face with a fist
then when the police dept confirmed it was signed for he said oh ok yea we have it here ::)
funny how rodger goodell didnt turn in his phone for investigation to see if he ever texted ray rice or his lawyer about the video or incident before it went public that he had it in his office
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kind of like the NFL lying saying they never got the elevator video of rice smashing this wife face with a fist
then when the police dept confirmed it was signed for he said oh ok yea we have it here ::)
funny how rodger goodell didnt turn in his phone for investigation to see if he ever texted ray rice or his lawyer about the video or incident before it went public that he had it in his office
Just as how the NFL had the Cris Carter video on their site for over a year and until someone complained they didn't seem to care about what he said
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whole lotta texts, deception and lying for an innocent tom brady.
He went out of his way to change stories, change positions, smash phones, for a man with nothing to hide ;)
This won't stand for long in court.
But for Patriots haters, it will always be 12/12 balls <10 psi.
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Where are you guys seeing this one ball story?
I'm not seeing it on any of the major sports new sites.
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NFL...oh, brother ::)
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Ruling by Judge to come down Tomorrow or Wednesday
]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/31/no-settlement-in-brady-case-berman-to-rule-tuesday-or-wednesday/?utm_network=facebook&utm_post=4158359&utm_source=FB%20-%20SNF%20on%20NBC&utm_tags=srm[football%2Carticle] (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/31/no-settlement-in-brady-case-berman-to-rule-tuesday-or-wednesday/?utm_network=facebook&utm_post=4158359&utm_source=FB%20-%20SNF%20on%20NBC&utm_tags=srm[football%2Carticle)
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Both sides met in court today, with neither side agreeing to a settlement. They said the meeting lasted only 4 minutes.
Both the NFL and the Players Union want the judge to make a final decision by Sept. 4, but the judge did not guarantee a decision by that time.
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Both sides met in court today, with neither side agreeing to a settlement. They said the meeting lasted only 4 minutes.
Both the NFL and the Players Union want the judge to make a final decision by Sept. 4, but the judge did not guarantee a decision by that time.
Jets fan ???
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Jets fan ???
Patriots fan. Unless you are making a joke, which in that case flew right over my head. Like a Jet
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Patriots fan. Unless you are making a joke, which in that case flew right over my head. Like a Jet
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i was referring to the judge handling the case, unless you are the judge in the case shizzo
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NFL - embarrassment. 25K equipment fine, move on. Could have been over in 30 mins.
Learn from the NHL, illegal stick = 2 minute penalty.
Goodell and his boyfriend cronies are just highly overpaid, buffoons.
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NFL ::) ::) ::)
BREAKING: Tom Brady beats NFL in 'Deflategate' court case, judge nullifies league's 4-game suspension.
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Innocent like OJ
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HAHAHA good, and I'm a Giants fan!
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NFL ::) ::) ::)
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Bob Kraft now asking for his $1,000,000.000 fine back along with their Number 1 and 4 Draft pics
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If the Pats play like last night, it doesn't matter who will be QB. They will be 4-12, max.
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Brady wins his appeal. Zero game suspension.
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Brady wins his appeal. Zero game suspension.
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Judge Richard Berman ruled in favor of Tom Brady and vacated his four-game suspension for his role in Deflategate. Berman issued his ruling in a 40-page document, which can be found here.
Here are the biggest takeaways:
— “There were several legal deficiencies, including inadequate notice to Brady of both his potential discipline (four-game suspension) and his alleged misconduct; (B) denial of the opportunity for Brady to examine one of two lead investigators, namely NFL Executive Vice President and General Counsel Jeff Pash; and (C) denial of equal access to investigative files, including witness interview notes.”
— The NFL and Roger Goodell said they based the four-game suspension as an equivalent to a suspension for steroids. The court did not back that claim, stating, “Brady also had no notice that his discipline would be the equivalent of the discipline imposed upon a player who used performance enhancing drugs.” It added, “it cannot, as a matter of law, serve as adequate notice of discipline to Brady. It also cannot reasonably be used as a comparator for Brady’s four-game suspension.”
Also, Berman writes it is “law of the shop” to give players notice for potential discipline and matters and Brady wasn’t given any.
— The ruling also goes into the “general awareness” aspect of the case, which was the main finding of the Wells Report. Berman says,”as a matter of law, no NFL policy or precedent notifies players that they may be disciplined (much less suspended) for general awareness of misconduct by others. And, it does not appear that the NFL has ever, prior to this case, sought to punish players for such an alleged violation.”
— Berman also had an issue with the NFL claiming Ted Wells was an independent investigator, as five times in the document quotation marks were used around the word “independent.”
— The NFL didn’t have co-lead investigator Jeff Pash at the arbitral hearing, which Berman called “fundamentally unfair.” He added, “It is also problematic to the Court that there was no specification by Goodell as to the ways Pash’s testimony would have been ‘cumulative.'”
With Pash not at the hearing, Berman says Brady was “prejudiced.”
— The conclusion reads: “For the reasons stated herein, the Management Council’s motion to confirm the arbitration award [ECF No.4] is denied and the Players Association’s motion to vacate the arbitration award [ECF No. 28] is granted. Brady’s four-game suspension is vacated, effective immediately.
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Donald Trump says Tom Brady should sue the league for 500 million of defamation.
I think he should do that and sue ESPN for 500 million. ESPN were on an all out attack on Brady and lied about ball pressure. Even when they knew the correct pressure...
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Donald Trump says Tom Brady should sue the league for 500 million of defamation.
I think he should do that and sue ESPN for 500 million. ESPN were on an all out attack on Brady and lied about ball pressure. Even when they knew the correct pressure...
the republican base is in love with Brady.
It's obviously Brady KNEW the balls were flat. Everyone interviewed, from Qbs to longsnappers, talks about how they can feel an under- or over-inflated ball instantly.
This is just like the hilary servergate thing... if you destroy the evidence, and you lawyer up, in the USA you usually get away with it. He's guilty of knowingly using deflated balls, we all know it. She's guilty of shady email and deletion, we all know it. But it's America, and you can't beat the truth out of people. They're smart, they get away with the shit.
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I love it. Maybe that will teach the NFL to be more careful with assessing penalties in the future.
You dont specifically tell Brady that they won't need his cell phone, and then use that against him when he destroys it.
Wells is a moron.
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Wonder if it would be the same ruling if Brady was black
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the republican base is in love with Brady.
It's obviously Brady KNEW the balls were flat. Everyone interviewed, from Qbs to longsnappers, talks about how they can feel an under- or over-inflated ball instantly.
This is just like the hilary servergate thing... if you destroy the evidence, and you lawyer up, in the USA you usually get away with it. He's guilty of knowingly using deflated balls, we all know it. She's guilty of shady email and deletion, we all know it. But it's America, and you can't beat the truth out of people. They're smart, they get away with the shit.
You mean like this Patriot?
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
PATS! 8)
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Goodell looking like a fool. So is Houston owner Bob Mcnair coming out against Brady a couple days ago. This judge was also one sided the first time he spoke mentioning how these decisions tend to favor the player. Should he be saying that before he even saw the evidence?
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Goodell looking like a fool.
This is a perpetual condition for him.
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Donald Trump says Tom Brady should sue the league for 500 million of defamation.
I think he should do that and sue ESPN for 500 million. ESPN were on an all out attack on Brady and lied about ball pressure. Even when they knew the correct pressure...
If the NFL does appeal , they Brady Should most definitely start his own lawsuit cases against them for wasting his time and tarnishing his legacy and value in the market place
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The only thing that can stop Tom Brady is the Giants 8)
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If the NFL does appeal , they Brady Should most definitely start his own lawsuit cases against them
Sue for what? The main driver was the NFL was guilty of was not informing Brady of the possible penalties for non compliance.
It doesn't mean he's innocent.
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Sue for what? The main driver was the NFL was guilty of was not informing Brady of the possible penalties for non compliance.
It doesn't mean he's innocent.
In theory he could have an interesting defamation lawsuit against the NFL, Jaws and ESPN for the "12 out of 12 balls were under inflated" thing.
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All this does is send the case to the 2nd circuit where the NFL knew it was going all along and where they stand a better chance of winning.
And that will happen during the season, so the Cheatriots get to ruin yet another season with their nonstop garbage.
The perfect settlement would be to give the Cheatriots to the Canadian Football league so we Americans can enjoy football again without the chronic cheaters and their annoying fans. It's a win-win since the Cheatriots don't have to ever worry about losing another Super Bowl to the Manning brother with downs syndrome.
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All this does is send the case to the 2nd circuit where the NFL knew it was going all along and where they stand a better chance of winning.
And that will happen during the season, so the Cheatriots get to ruin yet another season with their nonstop garbage.
The perfect settlement would be to give the Cheatriots to the Canadian Football league so we Americans can enjoy football again without the chronic cheaters and their annoying fans. It's a win-win since the Cheatriots don't have to ever worry about losing another Super Bowl to the Manning brother with downs syndrome.
don't think its downs but he has assbergers
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don't think its downs but he has assbergers
They both have a touch of something, that is for sure.
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Its about time something in life goes Tom Brady's way ;D
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Wonder if it would be the same ruling if Brady was black
If he was black, lawyers would have talked the black man into taking a deal...
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In theory he could have an interesting defamation lawsuit against the NFL, Jaws and ESPN for the "12 out of 12 balls were under inflated" thing.
The TV show Mr. Robot put Tom Brady's picture up with the likes of OJ and a few other fucked up people as to show the world is crooked and full of killers and cheats...Giselle wants Tom Brady to be a politician in a few years. The Liberal media knows Brady wants to run someday as a Republican. Putting his image up with OJ is a way to chip away at a future Republican candidate...
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For some reason, Pats fans brag about being 4x super bowl champions like they're the Yankees of football or something.
The reality is they're in a 3 way tie for 3rd place in SB victories, and behind two teams in titles in the last decade.
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For some reason, Pats fans brag about being 4x super bowl champions like they're the Yankees of football or something.
The reality is they're in a 3 way tie for 3rd place in SB victories, and behind two teams in titles in the last decade.
Tom Brady's wife doesn't have a two hour commute to work, because he provides a decent standard of living for his family.
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good point... Brady could be president someday. Crooked enough.
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Sometimes you get the elevator like Tom Brady and sometimes you get the shaft like Roger Goodell.
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How is a deflated ball considered cheating anyway?
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Brady is an odd character. I've never seen so many people hate someone in sports like they do him. People claim it's because he's a winner which is bullshit. Montana was a winner, Aikman, Manning etc.. and non fans like them, but something about Brady just exudes asshole and makes you hate him
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Roger Goodell says he wont show up for the opening game in New England because his is asshole is still hurt
he has made it out to every game since he has been the commissioner
so if the patriots win another super bowl this year, this Fag wont be there to present them with the trophy ::)
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Brady is an odd character. I've never seen so many people hate someone in sports like they do him. People claim it's because he's a winner which is bullshit. Montana was a winner, Aikman, Manning etc.. and non fans like them, but something about Brady just exudes asshole and makes you hate him
Hate all 3
Aikman a bit less because he played at UCLA
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Brady is an odd character. I've never seen so many people hate someone in sports like they do him. People claim it's because he's a winner which is bullshit. Montana was a winner, Aikman, Manning etc.. and non fans like them, but something about Brady just exudes asshole and makes you hate him
Nahhhh.
It's just you bro.
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Nahhhh.
It's just you bro.
Zactly...
Lots of haters around, when they see Tom, then look around their home (parents basement) of course they are gonna hate.
Jelly losers of peace... Get a life...
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Zactly...
Lots of haters around, when they see Tom, then look around their home (parents basement) of course they are gonna hate.
Jelly losers of peace... Get a life...
This is what all Pats fans say anytime other fans criticize them or the team.
Plenty of on field reasons to dislike.....
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This is what all Pats fans say anytime other fans criticize them or the team.
Plenty of on field reasons to dislike.....
I am just glad football is back!!!!
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I think a lot of people just hate Boston, and Brady = Boston.
Hate Boston.
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I think a lot of people just hate Boston, and Brady = Boston.
Hate Boston.
Aside from the blatant racism, overbearing progressive fags and shitty winters, it ain't that bad.
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Aside from the blatant racism, overbearing progressive fags and shitty winters, it ain't that bad.
On a positive note NH is beautiful, close to the beach and has no sales tax, income tax, or short term cap gain tax.
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Aside from the blatant racism, overbearing progressive fags and shitty winters, it ain't that bad.
Oh don't get me wrong, as a lifetime Texan, I've always wanted to visit New England in the fall.
Just something about all the Boston sports teams rub me the wrong way, and I think the common denominator is the fans.
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Oh don't get me wrong, as a lifetime Texan, I've always wanted to visit New England in the fall.
Just something about all the Boston sports teams rub me the wrong way, and I think the common denominator is the fans.
The fans, on the whole, are insufferable. I live in the middle of it, and it's like nothing you've ever seen.
I have plenty of friends up here who are good, knowledgeable fans. In fact body88 who used to post here was a diehard Pats/Sox fan, and he was one of the best ever here. But I'm talking overall. It's almost impossible to describe.
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Roger Goodell released reposts now that they had reports of Patriot employees ripping pages out visiting teams playbooks while they were out on the field playing ::) ::)
So they have reports of pats stealing playbooks and you try and get them with one slightly deflated ball instead, and then goodell decides to release this report after he lost in court and before season start
Roger's asshole is beyond butt hurt
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Regardless, there's always something up with NE.
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Regardless, there's always something up with NE.
The NFL had a lot to do with it. 9/11 happened then the Red white and Blue Patriots make it to the SuperBowl and not only that they get introduced as a "team" and then win that superbowl. It was all setup from the start of that season. Such bullshit.
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The NFL had a lot to do with it. 9/11 happened then the Red white and Blue Patriots make it to the SuperBowl and not only that they get introduced as a "team" and then win that superbowl. It was all setup from the start of that season. Such bullshit.
Yup, Bob Kraft didnt call down to the Ref and make him call that Tuck Rule to start the beginning of the Pats Dynasty , that Call was Made by Roger Goodell
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Yup, Bob Kraft didnt call down to the Ref and make him call that Tuck Rule to start the beginning of the Pats Dynasty , that Call was Made by Roger Goodell
It was Paul Tagliabue. Goodell didn't become commish until 2006
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I heard that Bob Kraft shot JFK.
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It was Paul Tagliabue. Goodell didn't become commish until 2006
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I said it with spygate, I said it with deflategate....
Pats have probably gotten away with 98% of the cheating they've done. You don't just engage in spygate an deflategate, you get caught for spygate and deflategate. They'll still laughing at all of the little sneaks and cheats we'll never hear about - these are just the ones they were unlucky enough to get caught. if you offered $1mil for every other instance of cheating with pats, and demanded proof, we'd have ten more spygates on our hards, and all with proof too.
Now, is this just the NFL trying to save face, saying "I told you so" about 36 hours before Pats start the season? Of course.
But it's beyond undeniable now... pats are some long-term cheaters... no debate.
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Cheating in professional sports? Good heavens, next thing you know they'll be saying professional bodybuilders use anabolic steroids.
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I'm tired of this whole Goodell/Patriots pissing match.
I'm ready for kickoff on Thursday. Put all this meaningless drama in the garbage.
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I said it with spygate, I said it with deflategate....
Pats have probably gotten away with 98% of the cheating they've done. You don't just engage in spygate an deflategate, you get caught for spygate and deflategate. They'll still laughing at all of the little sneaks and cheats we'll never hear about - these are just the ones they were unlucky enough to get caught. if you offered $1mil for every other instance of cheating with pats, and demanded proof, we'd have ten more spygates on our hards, and all with proof too.
Now, is this just the NFL trying to save face, saying "I told you so" about 36 hours before Pats start the season? Of course.
But it's beyond undeniable now... pats are some long-term cheaters... no debate.
The Cheatriot Way. No wonder the other owners are so fed up with them.
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I guess Goodell loves losing because now Kraft is gonna take him to court to get his picks and million bucks back.
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The fans, on the whole, are insufferable. I live in the middle of it, and it's like nothing you've ever seen.
I have plenty of friends up here who are good, knowledgeable fans. In fact body88 who used to post here was a diehard Pats/Sox fan, and he was one of the best ever here. But I'm talking overall. It's almost impossible to describe.
I lived in MA for five years, agree completely.
I can give a great example, this was in 2011 I think, the Celtics had bought and paid for their first NBA title in decades a few years earlier and were on the decline again, and this guy called in to WEEI in complete seriousness and said he thinks the Celtics needed to trade Paul Pierce for Dwight Howard. He was completely serious and thought that Orlando would seriously consider giving up Dwight, who was like a Top 3 player at the time and the hottest free agency commodity in the league aside from LeBron himself, for a 33-year-old Pierce, straight up.
You see this a lot among your average Boston sports fan where they think the best player on their team is automatically among the best in the league because...they play for Boston, I guess?
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Hey, they may have cheated but at least they didn't hurt the integrity of the game by having any players that used steroids. We all know that no one on the Patriots have ever used PEDs to cheat the game. ::)
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You see this a lot among your average Boston sports fan where they think the best player on their team is automatically among the best in the league because...they play for Boston, I guess?
Good example. Antother: When the Rivera retirement tour was in full effect (not at his request, mind you...the other teams just did this) the Boston version was more about the 2004 Red Sox.......
Sox fan called in and said "it's no biggie, I'm sure the Yankees will take a few jabs when Ortiz does his tour".........
His tour? David Ortiz? bwahahahahahahahahahahha h. They are delusional.
That's why they defend this stuff so much - they think their team is SO magical and incredible, that everyone else feels that way. When they see most of the country feels, in fact, the opposite, they lose their shit?
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Good example. Antother: When the Rivera retirement tour was in full effect (not at his request, mind you...the other teams just did this) the Boston version was more about the 2004 Red Sox.......
Sox fan called in and said "it's no biggie, I'm sure the Yankees will take a few jabs when Ortiz does his tour".........
His tour? David Ortiz? bwahahahahahahahahahahha h. They are delusional.
That's why they defend this stuff so much - they think their team is SO magical and incredible, that everyone else feels that way. When they see most of the country feels, in fact, the opposite, they lose their shit?
You guys act like Boston is the only town with homers. I know that we have a special kind of "see no evil", down-Southie dumbass homer, but I take it you two have never been down to Louisiana to talk to Saints fans? Also, don't even get me started about Alabama college football...
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I guess Goodell loves losing because now Kraft is gonna take him to court to get his picks and million bucks back.
Goodell was on Mike and Mike talking about how him and Kraft are still best of friends , while mumbling and stumbling his words the entire interview
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Good example. Antother: When the Rivera retirement tour was in full effect (not at his request, mind you...the other teams just did this) the Boston version was more about the 2004 Red Sox.......
Sox fan called in and said "it's no biggie, I'm sure the Yankees will take a few jabs when Ortiz does his tour".........
His tour? David Ortiz? bwahahahahahahahahahahha h. They are delusional.
That's why they defend this stuff so much - they think their team is SO magical and incredible, that everyone else feels that way. When they see most of the country feels, in fact, the opposite, they lose their shit?
lol @ the David Ortiz retirement tour :D
Yes you see this a lot too (the bolded bit), like the whole "They hate us cuz they ain't us" bit, no actually the rest of the country has no desire to be like your cheating despicable team.
You guys act like Boston is the only town with homers. I know that we have a special kind of "see no evil", down-Southie dumbass homer, but I take it you two have never been down to Louisiana to talk to Saints fans? Also, don't even get me started about Alabama college football...
This is a straw man (another common Boston fan arguing tactic), of course there are delusional homer fans of every team in every sport but the Boston breed is a special variety of insufferable homer. Sort of like how every teams tapes signals, radio-jams on-field communications, steals play scripts, and deflates footballs, even though only the Patriots evidently do these things poorly enough to get caught.
I assure you on Chicago sports radio people aren't calling in with suggestions that the Bulls ought to think about trading Derrick Rose for Anthony Davis.
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Just curious where all the Patriots fans were hiding before 2001 and where they'll all be hiding in 3-4 years when brady and Bellicheck both leave the team.
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You guys act like Boston is the only town with homers. I know that we have a special kind of "see no evil", down-Southie dumbass homer, but I take it you two have never been down to Louisiana to talk to Saints fans? Also, don't even get me started about Alabama college football...
Other towns don't have a "State of the empire" segment to obsess about another team after their team's recap. I've lived in different states - there's nothing like this up here.
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This is a straw man (another common Boston fan arguing tactic), of course there are delusional homer fans of every team in every sport but the Boston breed is a special variety of insufferable homer. Sort of like how every teams tapes signals, radio-jams on-field communications, steals play scripts, and deflates footballs, even though only the Patriots evidently do these things poorly enough to get caught.
Interesting: you offer broad, sweeping, over-generalizations about legions of fans across 4 major pro sports leagues and when I present a counter-factual, I am the one with the "straw man". Perhaps I will get you a dictionary for Christmas.
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Just curious where all the Patriots fans were hiding before 2001 and where they'll all be hiding in 3-4 years when brady and Bellicheck both leave the team.
Will they be retiring or just finally banned for good from the league?
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Just curious where all the Patriots fans were hiding before 2001 and where they'll all be hiding in 3-4 years when brady and Bellicheck both leave the team.
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Other towns don't have a "State of the empire" segment to obsess about another team after their team's recap. I've lived in different states - there's nothing like this up here.
For the most part, I get my sports news from 98.5 and those guys are almost all brutal to the teams and especially to the homers (Zo aside). And Mazz is probably the single most straight-up baseball guy I've ever listened to.
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Plenty of debate... "Anonymous sources", we just saw how that failed (ESPN and NFL) with apologies from Peter King, ESPN, etc for false info.
And it just comes out now? (These anonymous sources) ??
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Interesting: you offer broad, sweeping, over-generalizations about legions of fans across 4 major pro sports leagues and when I present a counter-factual, I am the one with the "straw man". Perhaps I will get you a dictionary for Christmas.
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Grape Ape and I are offering a (correct) generalization about Boston sports fans. You then reply with a "Well you guys are acting like no other teams have homers", which is (i) obviously false, (ii) not something we said, (iii) easy for you to shoot down, and (iv) does not argue against our original contention that Boston fans are a special breed of insufferable homer. In other words the very definition of a Straw Man.
Who's the one who needs a dictionary again?
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For the most part, I get my sports news from 98.5 and those guys are almost all brutal to the teams and especially to the homers (Zo aside). And Mazz is probably the single most straight-up baseball guy I've ever listened to.
Agree with all this.
Mazz is great.
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Grape Ape and I are offering a (correct) generalization about Boston sports fans. You then reply with a "Well you guys are acting like no other teams have homers", which is (i) obviously false, (ii) not something we said, (iii) easy for you to shoot down, and (iv) does not argue against our original contention that Boston fans are a special breed of insufferable homer. In other words the very definition of a Straw Man.
Who's the one who needs a dictionary again?
I believe that I copped to the "special breed of homer" for Boston in my original response (see "special kind of "see no evil", down-Southie dumbass homer") but we are not alone with dumbass homers. Your contention is that there are MORE of them (or perhaps more as a ratio of pop density) with which I contend. While that might be true, your facts to support that contention are missing.
Objection overruled.
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I believe that I copped to the "special breed of homer" for Boston in my original response (see "special kind of "see no evil", down-Southie dumbass homer") but we are not alone with dumbass homers. Your contention is that there are MORE of them (or perhaps more as a ratio of pop density) with which I contend. While that might be true, your facts to support that contention are missing.
Objection overruled.
Here you go again. Find the quote where either of us said either of these things.
This is just another version of the "every team does it" defense, or that guy in the NBA thread who makes up fantasy scenarios he thinks LeBron would win at in order to prove he's better than Jordan.
If you agree with what we're saying then stop getting your panties in a bunch about it.
It is nice that you withdrew your incorrect contention that I don't know what "Straw Man" means though.
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Plenty of debate... "Anonymous sources", we just saw how that failed (ESPN and NFL) with apologies from Peter King, ESPN, etc for false info.
And it just comes out now? (These anonymous sources) ??
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Steelers, Cowboys, SF, Giants and Green Bay fans are most definitely not jealous.
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Here you go again. Find the quote where either of us said either of these things.
This is just another version of the "every team does it" defense, or that guy in the NBA thread who makes up fantasy scenarios he thinks LeBron would win at in order to prove he's better than Jordan.
If you agree with what we're saying then stop getting your panties in a bunch about it.
It is nice that you withdrew your incorrect contention that I don't know what "Straw Man" means though.
Well, if you aren't contending that there are more and/or dumber homers in the Boston sports team's universe then what, exactly, are your bitching about?
I will get back to the straw man later.
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Damn:
You should read the story immediately, but the thrust is this—citing interviews with 90 sources in and around football as well as primary documents, ESPN reports that Bill Belichick and the Patriots videotaped opposing teams’ signals from 40 different games from 2000 through 2007. And when the scandal broke, Goodell did everything in his power to protect Robert Kraft, who was one of his strongest supporters and without whom he would not have been named commissioner. The thesis statement in this story is that the cover-up—and if this report is accurate, the league’s actions can’t be called anything else but a cover-up—so rankled other owners that Goodell came down extra-hard on New England and Tom Brady for Ballghazi as “a makeup call.”
http://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402
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I don't see any asterisks in any official record books regarding NE's Super Bowl wins and losses.
A real man takes care of his family so that his wife doesn't have a two-hour commute to work...then and only then will he waste time on a "bodybuilding" website.
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Well, if you aren't contending that there are more and/or dumber homers in the Boston sports team's universe then what, exactly, are your bitching about?
I will get back to the straw man later.
I'm contending that Boston fans are a special breed of insufferable homer.
Each of my posts has said this almost word for word, not sure how it is unclear to you.
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Bellicheck was also on a short leash. After the tapping scandal he would be banned as a coach if he violated anything else so instead of accusing him as the cheater they went after Brady. Goodell didn't want to fuck over the Patriots by dragging Bellicheck into the mess.
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Plenty of debate... "Anonymous sources", we just saw how that failed (ESPN and NFL) with apologies from Peter King, ESPN, etc for false info.
And it just comes out now? (These anonymous sources) ??
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Perfect example of the problem so many have with Boston and the Cheatriots.
Can you imagine any other team using a picture like that? Stay classy and obnoxious as ever Boston. We're all so impressed.
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Perfect example of the problem so many have with Boston and the Cheatriots.
Can you imagine any other team using a picture like that? Stay classy and obnoxious as ever Boston. We're all so impressed.
(http://img01.deviantart.net/62c0/i/2015/124/a/c/steelers__one_for_the_middle_finger_by_jesseallshouse-d1vtnoa.jpg)
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Bellicheck was also on a short leash. After the tapping scandal he would be banned as a coach if he violated anything else so instead of accusing him as the cheater they went after Brady. Goodell didn't want to fuck over the Patriots by dragging Bellicheck into the mess.
that's why he instantly said "Ask Brady..." when reporters wanted to know about deflated balls.
Brady is a bad mood, turned ankle, or just 2 years of age away from being out of football and onto politics.
Belicheat still wants to keep this awesome job with jimmy garrapaolosdopolis.
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I love the Patriots justification. "Well everybody else was cheating" . They are convincing themselves that their superbowls are legit because everyone's a cheater. lol. That is a good story on ESPN. Shows you how complicit the NFL was in allowing the Patriots to cheat.
Bellichick knew the NFL was too damn lazy to figure it out until they won a few superbowls. I would only assume Coughlin knew about this and figured out how to fool the patriots.
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I live in New England and I have been a NE sports fan my whole life and I too find most NE fans insufferable. Most act like the Patriots winning or losing is life or death when in reality neither scenario will alter their life one bit. They all dress up in the favorite jerseys and act like they are going out on to the field to play. I for one can't wait until the Patriots are a middle of the pack team again just so the bandwagon fans will go away. Bandwagon fans are insufferable
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I love the Patriots justification. "Well everybody else was cheating" . They are convincing themselves that their superbowls are legit because everyone's a cheater. lol. That is a good story on ESPN. Shows you how complicit the NFL was in allowing the Patriots to cheat.
Bellichick knew the NFL was too damn lazy to figure it out until they won a few superbowls. I would only assume Coughlin knew about this and figured out how to fool the patriots.
very petty of the NFL to release this right before the thursday game...
BUT
you know they wanted THIS to be the #1 story/cloud over the game, and not a bunch of smug Pats fans gloating about how their boy Brady never cheated, with all sorts of bullshit hashtags like #vindicated
Pats are biggest cheats in NFL history, their legacy forever asterisked. Their homer fans will deny it with "everybody cheats", but the grownups know.
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I wonder if one day all of the Patriots Superbowl wins will vanish like Armstrong's Tour de France wins did.
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I'm not a fan of Boston sports but I will say it's a great sports city.
Every fan base has its share of d-bags, I don't think they have any more per capita. They've been on an unbelievable run since 2001 so they are targeted.
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I'm not a fan of Boston sports but I will say it's a great sports city.
Every fan base has its share of d-bags, I don't think they have any more per capita. They've been on an unbelievable run since 2001 so they are targeted.
This is incorrect, and exactly how they answer criticism.
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This is incorrect, and exactly how they answer criticism.
Masterful rebuttal...
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I'm contending that Boston fans are a special breed of insufferable homer.
Each of my posts has said this almost word for word, not sure how it is unclear to you.
So you contend that Boston sports fans are the most insufferable, yet your facts to support such claims are a trifecta of anecdotes from sports radio listeners? Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and I won't even try to sway yours, as it's clearly fueled by blind fury at Boston for some reason, but I can easily offer competing anecdotes from other pro-sports media-markets that would rival or surpass the "homer-ness" of the examples that you seem to be weighing so heavily. Will I then claim that "proves" that my opinion about the New Orleans Saints is correct? No, I wouldn't care to make that blithe, facile assertion based on the obvious dearth of facts.
But go right ahead.
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So you contend that Boston sports fans are the most insufferable, yet your facts to support such claims are a trifecta of anecdotes from sports radio listeners? Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and I won't even try to sway yours, as it's clearly fueled by blind fury at Boston for some reason, but I can easily offer competing anecdotes from other pro-sports media-markets that would rival or surpass the "homer-ness" of the examples that you seem to be weighing so heavily. Will I then claim that "proves" that my opinion about the New Orleans Saints is correct? No, I wouldn't care to make that blithe, facile assertion based on the obvious dearth of facts.
But go right ahead.
I have no issue with Boston fans... Such as fans who are from the area and love their team.
What I have noticed is that there is an influx of Boston fans who live nowhere near the area and for some reason don't know anything about Boston other than Tom Brady and Bill Bellicheck.
Fans of the Patriots and Red Sox who have never even BEEN to Boston.
How does that happen?
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I have no issue with Boston fans... Such as fans who are from the area and love their team.
What I have noticed is that there is an influx of Boston fans who live nowhere near the area and for some reason don't know anything about Boston other than Tom Brady and Bill Bellicheck.
Fans of the Patriots and Red Sox who have never even BEEN to Boston.
How does that happen?
Like Shizzo? Bandwagoneers.
Boston has a good amount of dipshits for sure, Micks that woke up as babies in the hospital knowing a few things:
- They wuz Irish
- They wuz Democrat
- They wuz Catholics
- The like the Pats/Sawks/Bruins/Celts
I think it's the inbred Southie accent that pisses off folks so much, maybe.
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Masterful rebuttal...
I've set numerous examples, live up here right near the Stadium, have lived in other states as well, and wrote for a baseball blog that got pretty well known and followed this stuff.
Not rehashing it again.
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lol at arguing sports, which has absolutely no affect on your life. Whether your team win or loses, it has no impact on you, besides some distressing feelings if your team loses. Ive never understood fans who cry and get really upset when their team loses. Talk about not being able to get a grip. :D :D
I don't know who is nuttier, religious people, sport fans, or gun people. :D :D
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lol at arguing sports, which has absolutely no affect on your life. Whether your team win or loses, it has no impact on you, besides some distressing feelings if your team loses. Ive never understood fans who cry and get really upset when their team loses. Talk about not being able to get a grip. :D :D
I don't know who is nuttier, religious people, sport fans, or gun people. :D :D
This is not 100% true as my wife will only make her unbelievable potato skins for Patriots' playoff games. Pats winning is a dietary imperative for me.
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This is not 100% true as my wife will only make her unbelievable potato skins for Patriots' playoff games. Pats winning is a dietary imperative for me.
So, she doesn't make potato skins during the regular season?
Bummer.
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Like Shizzo? Bandwagoneers.
Boston has a good amount of dipshits for sure, Micks that woke up as babies in the hospital knowing a few things:
- They wuz Irish
- They wuz Democrat
- They wuz Catholics
- The like the Pats/Sawks/Bruins/Celts
I think it's the inbred Southie accent that pisses off folks so much, maybe.
I don't know about Schizzo personally, but the band wagon riders... yes, they drive me insane.
I have a lot of fondness for the Bruins. When Adam Oates left St. Louis and ended up in Boston with Cam Neely and Ray Bourque, I really enjoyed watching them play.
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I'm not a fan of Boston sports but I will say it's a great sports city.
Every fan base has its share of d-bags, I don't think they have any more per capita. They've been on an unbelievable run since 2001 so they are targeted.
Where were the pats fans before 2001? Where will they be when Brady and Belicheat leave?
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Where were the pats fans before 2001? Where will they be when Brady and Belicheat leave?
I can remember sitting in the stands, freezing my balls off, watching fucking Grogan take snaps. Those were some barren years.
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Still hilarious to think that this buffoon with a case of downs has 1 more than Peyton. Must make Peyton livid to see his retard brother's face.
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You either believe in Conspiracy's or you don't. Basically everyone outside of New England believes in a Patriots type conspiracy. So if they believe that, they have to believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy. Which means the 9/11 truth movement should be well over 150 million strong. You believe in Conspiracy's or you don't...
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You either believe in Conspiracy's or you don't. Basically everyone outside of New England believes in a Patriots type conspiracy. So if they believe that, they have to believe in the 9/11 Conspiracy. Which means the 9/11 truth movement should be well over 150 million strong. You believe in Conspiracy's or you don't...
In this case it's not a conspiracy but the pats were caught cheating and they have proof.
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In this case it's not a conspiracy but the pats were caught cheating and they have proof.
Of course it's a Conspiracy. They didn't prove that Pats deflated balls. The balls were slightly deflated and they tried to fill the holes implicating multiple people as to why that was.
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No, Roger destroyed the so called proof, no one else has seen the miraculous footage...
It exists along with the Loch Ness, Big Foot and other footage.
And yes, every team has its homers. My Bro-Inlaw is from Chicago, biggest homer I ever met for the Bears, Hawks, etc.
Other friends from other places are just as brutal...(My buddy from Baltimore is unreal with the "my team" stuff).
Nimrods everywhere, think they are part of a "insert name here"-nation" ::)
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Of course it's a Conspiracy. They didn't prove that Pats deflated balls. The balls were slightly deflated and they tried to fill the holes implicating multiple people as to why that was.
I was referring to spying.
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Cliff notes from a Patriots fan:
The golden boy is free.
Justice was served.
Haters gonna hate.
Giants cant even make the playoffs. They suck.
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Cliff notes from a Patriots fan:
The golden boy is free.
Justice was served.
Haters gonna hate.
Giants cant even make the playoffs. They suck. We hope the Giants don't make the playoffs. They'll crush us.
Fixed.
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Fixed.
Seeing Manning win a third would be almost as unbearable as seeing Brady win again.
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In the new report, its says Roger Goodell went to Patriots front office with is Goones ERRRRRRRR other NFL front office officials and took all the videos of the Spygate and right there and there they proceeded to stop on the tapes and destroy them
??? ???
They had over 40 tapes they said they stomped on that day, they go out to investigate them, find dates, and instead of taking them back to NFL headquarters they decide to destroy all evidence then and there ??? ??? Fucking Comical
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Seeing Manning win a third would be almost as unbearable as seeing Brady win again.
Some coaches can just out coach other coaches.
Coughlin just seems to have Bellicheck's number. That's just how it goes.
Sometimes coaches get too creative and try to fool you and end up screwing themselves like Pete Carroll did last year.
Them's the breaks as they say.
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Cliff notes from a Patriots fan:
The golden boy is free.
Justice was served.
Haters gonna hate.
Giants cant even make the playoffs. They suck.
Shizzo is a Cheatriots fan? HAHAHAHAHAAHA
Of course he is! You just can't make this stuff up!
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Shizzo is a Cheatriots fan? HAHAHAHAHAAHA
Of course he is! You just can't make this stuff up!
I believe he is from Bawwwstan
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I believe he is from Bawwwstan
Negative. He's from Florida.
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Some coaches can just out coach other coaches.
Coughlin just seems to have Bellicheck's number. That's just how it goes.
Sometimes coaches get too creative and try to fool you and end up screwing themselves like Pete Carroll did last year.
Them's the breaks as they say.
Speaking of Caroll he did the same in the Rose Bowl against Texas when he took Reggie Bush off the field on forth and one late in the fourth quarter.
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Speaking of Caroll he did the same in the Rose Bowl against Texas when he took Reggie Bush off the field on forth and one late in the fourth quarter.
Carroll was being crafty, everyone in the world thought it would be a run except for Bellicheck who had his pass defense on the field. He knew it was going to be a pass, How? Did he have this lineup on tape and called it right? Carroll thought NE would stack the line for a run stop and catch them, but he failed to call a timeout and Russell Wilson failed to call an audible when they lined up to stop the pass. Just a failure by them all around. You could say Bellicheck called the right play and gambled or that he knew what was going to happen.
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Speaking of Caroll he did the same in the Rose Bowl against Texas when he took Reggie Bush off the field on forth and one late in the fourth quarter.
He thinks he's just so smart... Except he's just not.
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Carroll was being crafty, everyone in the world thought it would be a run except for Bellicheck who had his pass defense on the field. He knew it was going to be a pass, How? Did he have this lineup on tape and called it right? Carroll thought NE would stack the line for a run stop and catch them, but he failed to call a timeout and Russell Wilson failed to call an audible when they lined up to stop the pass. Just a failure by them all around. You could say Bellicheck called the right play and gambled or that he knew what was going to happen.
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While it is highly unlikely, you certainly can't say it's an impossibility.
I mean, the Patriots have obviously been caught stealing lots of signals and play calls. That's just fact.
The latest ESPN article makes it even worse and implicates the NFL as well.
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Of course it's a Conspiracy. They didn't prove that Pats deflated balls. The balls were slightly deflated and they tried to fill the holes implicating multiple people as to why that was.
Of course, everything is. As is my post.
Wonder why we keep fucking with you like this.
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Why did Belicheck have his pass defense out there before the Seahawks even lined up to show they were not running? It caught them off guard and they failed to call a timeout to change it back to a run. Just seems like the genius is too much of a genius.
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Carroll was being crafty, everyone in the world thought it would be a run except for Bellicheck who had his pass defense on the field. He knew it was going to be a pass, How? Did he have this lineup on tape and called it right? Carroll thought NE would stack the line for a run stop and catch them, but he failed to call a timeout and Russell Wilson failed to call an audible when they lined up to stop the pass. Just a failure by them all around. You could say Bellicheck called the right play and gambled or that he knew what was going to happen.
That was all Wilson imop. How do you not audible out of that play? Wilson wanted to be the hero. We're not talking about a Rookie QB here.
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So you contend that Boston sports fans are the most insufferable, yet your facts to support such claims are a trifecta of anecdotes from sports radio listeners? Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and I won't even try to sway yours, as it's clearly fueled by blind fury at Boston for some reason, but I can easily offer competing anecdotes from other pro-sports media-markets that would rival or surpass the "homer-ness" of the examples that you seem to be weighing so heavily. Will I then claim that "proves" that my opinion about the New Orleans Saints is correct? No, I wouldn't care to make that blithe, facile assertion based on the obvious dearth of facts.
But go right ahead.
I lived in Massachusetts for five years. I'm a bit more acquainted with this fanbase than a single incident involving an idiot on sports radio. My opinion is fueled not by "blind fury" but by first-hand experience with your fanbase. You are actually reinforcing it with your behavior here, insisting that every fanbase is like this and the problem is me.
Essentially the entire rest of the world outside of New England shares my opinion so you should probably get used to it.
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Negative. He's from Florida.
My family originates from New York (father's side) and Massachusetts (mother's side)
I can't stand when people think I am a bandwagon fan, just because I was born and raised in Florida.
It does not matter where you live. The sign of a true fan is sticking by the same team for life. I began watching all sports seriously in the early 90's.
I picked my favorite teams in football (Patriots) baseball (A's) and basketball (Pacers) as a kid, and I will stick with them until I die.
That is the definition of a true fan. Its not a requirement to follow the hometown team. It is a requirement to stick with your favorite team through the good times and the bad, for the duration of your life.
P.S. there is no such thing as having two favorite teams in the same sports league ::)
I also love how some people are fake fans of popular teams, yet can't name a few players or know any of the franchise's history.
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While it is highly unlikely, you certainly can't say it's an impossibility.
I mean, the Patriots have obviously been caught stealing lots of signals and play calls. That's just fact.
The latest ESPN article makes it even worse and implicates the NFL as well.
That's true. It's also not an impossibility that future Bellichick went back in time and told his present day self about the pass play. You can't say that it didn't happen.
All possibilities are not equally probable. There is a reason that Occam's Razor exists.
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Goodell getting crushed for destroying all the tapes involving spygate and then hammering Brady for destroying his own cell phone
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That's true. It's also not an impossibility that future Bellichick went back in time and told his present day self about the pass play. You can't say that it didn't happen.
All possibilities are not equally probable. There is a reason that Occam's Razor exists.
When time traveling, people rarely make contact with their past self. It upsets the time/space continuum...they usually leave a note.
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No, Roger destroyed the so called proof, no one else has seen the miraculous footage...
It exists along with the Loch Ness, Big Foot and other footage.
And yes, every team has its homers. My Bro-Inlaw is from Chicago, biggest homer I ever met for the Bears, Hawks, etc.
Other friends from other places are just as brutal...(My buddy from Baltimore is unreal with the "my team" stuff).
Nimrods everywhere, think they are part of a "insert name here"-nation" ::)
The homer level is different, especially in the context of the their obsession with the Yankees. It's unreal.
As for the proof, I think this article is really exposing things were pretty bad:
On Thursday, the NFL announced the Patriots punishment. The entire official investigation had taken three days.
Privately, the NFL continued to act. The next week the league dispatched three executives, including general counsel Jeff Pash, to Foxborough. There they obtained eight videotapes of opposing teams and a stack of documents containing notes on other teams’ signals. Goodell ordered all the evidence to be destroyed.
This part of the report is unimpeachable—it comes directly from the Patriots’ counsel.
Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell’s orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room.
Jeff Pash stomped the tapes!
Both the Pats AND the NFL look even shittier than they did during Deflategate.
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My family originates from New York (father's side) and Massachusetts (mother's side)
I can't stand when people think I am a bandwagon fan, just because I was born and raised in Florida.
It does not matter where you live. The sign of a true fan is sticking by the same team for life. I began watching all sports seriously in the early 90's.
I picked my favorite teams in football (Patriots) baseball (A's) and basketball (Pacers) as a kid, and I will stick with them until I die.
That is the definition of a true fan. Its not a requirement to follow the hometown team. It is a requirement to stick with your favorite team through the good times and the bad, for the duration of your life.
P.S. there is no such thing as having two favorite teams in the same sports league ::)
I also love how some people are fake fans of popular teams, yet can't name a few players or know any of the franchise's history.
That's the definition of an idiot. Lifelong Dodgers fan, but I check out every time they trade stupid (Strawberry/Davis, Sheffield, Manny, etc.) or become boring losers. Fuck them.
What are we, ten?
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That's the definition of an idiot. Lifelong Dodgers fan, but I check out every time they trade stupid (Strawberry/Davis, Sheffield, Manny, etc.) or become boring losers. Fuck them.
What are we, ten?
Trading for Beckett and Crawford in addition to AGon, AND giving up prospects was one of the dumbest trades ever. Of course, Boston went right out and dumped almost 200M on Sandoval and Ramirez and went right to the same spot.
But Greinke/Kershaw/Pederson/Puig would be enough to keep me interested for awhile....
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When time traveling, people rarely make contact with their past self. It upsets the time/space continuum...they usually leave a note.
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That's the definition of an idiot. Lifelong Dodgers fan, but I check out every time they trade stupid (Strawberry/Davis, Sheffield, Manny, etc.) or become boring losers. Fuck them.
What are we, ten?
Why? I have no desire to jump ship to another team. Real fans understand that there will be ups and downs, first place and last place, shit moves and great ones.
You said you are a lifelong Dodgers fan, so I don't see where you disagree with me? It's not like you suddenly root for the Angels or Padres, right?
The bandwagon fans are the guys who like the Steelers one year, and then are spotted wearing Patriots gear a few years later. Or people in Washington who don't give two shits about football, are suddenly rabid Seahawks fans ::)
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Trading for Beckett and Crawford in addition to AGon, AND giving up prospects was one of the dumbest trades ever. Of course, Boston went right out and dumped almost 200M on Sandoval and Ramirez and went right to the same spot.
But Greinke/Kershaw/Pederson/Puig would be enough to keep me interested for awhile....
Yes, and I should be paying more attention now, I admit.
Guess I'm still burnt over Piazza - shit CRUSHED me, left me bitter for years. Made a lot more sense when I read his auto last year, the selfish, miserable fuck.
Lo Duca/Roberts later, too. And their longtime passive disrespect for Karros (L.A. franchise all-time HR king). Still yearn for the old Lasorda years: Garvey, Cey, Smith ... As dedicated and passionate as a punk kid could be.
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Yes, and I should be paying more attention now, I admit.
Guess I'm still burnt over Piazza - shit CRUSHED me, left me bitter for years. Made a lot more sense when I read his auto last year, the selfish, miserable fuck.
Lo Duca/Roberts later, too. And their longtime passive disrespect for Karros (L.A. franchise all-time HR king). Still yearn for the old Lasorda years: Garvey, Cey, Smith ... As dedicated and passionate as a punk kid could be.
Always struck me as an asshole, maybe it was the mustache.
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Why? I have no desire to jump ship to another team. Real fans understand that there will be ups and downs, first place and last place, shit moves and great ones.
You said you are a lifelong Dodgers fan, so I don't see where you disagree with me? It's not like you suddenly root for the Angels or Padres, right?
The bandwagon fans are the guys who like the Steelers one year, and then are spotted wearing Patriots gear a few years later. Or people in Washington who don't give two shits about football, are suddenly rabid Seahawks fans ::)
No, I understand bandwagoning well, no problem with it at all. I was all about the Angels in '02, and Trout has me wanting to watch again. Did it again with Warner/Rams, Warner/Cards, and now with Manning/Broncs, what do I care? Gives me a reason to enjoy the game again, years after all my old Steelers retired.
Shit, quit the Lakers after Magic retired, too. Hated what they became after with Kobe/Shaq, and didn't care enough to follow anyone else. Haven't watched a game since.
I certainly understand the 'my team' thing, but I just find the "real fan" obsession childish anymore. I'd say it's maybe an L.A. thing, but it's probably just me.
And I know you're assuming, 'Eh, he was ever really a fan to begin with,' which couldn't be more wrong. I was beyond obsessed with the game: memorized careers worth of stats - even rival players, knew personal details, went to every game I could, the whole nine.
I remember watching Grogan connect with Francis on a snowy TV, bro. Then watching the long-necked fuck scramble like Tarkenton the rest of the game. Your boys, before you born.
In fact, just found an old fifth-grade extra credit assignment my mom saved: play-by-play narration (with color commentary and analysis) of the 1980 Super Bowl, Steelers vs. Rams. I understand fandom, trust me.
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Always struck me as an asshole, maybe it was the mustache.
Had me fooled, even when others noticed it. DEFINITELY was, though, admitted as much in his book. Don't think he meant to; just seems too arrogant and detached to realize how it translates.
He was everything I would've hated at the time had I known.
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No, I understand bandwagoning well, no problem with it at all. I was all about the Angels in '02, and Trout has me wanting to watch again. Did it again with Warner/Rams, Warner/Cards, and now with Manning/Broncs, what do I care? Gives me a reason to enjoy the game again, years after all my old Steelers retired.
Shit, quit the Lakers after Magic retired, too. Hated what they became after with Kobe/Shaq, and didn't care enough to follow anyone else. Haven't watched a game since.
I certainly understand the 'my team' thing, but I just find the "real fan" obsession childish anymore. I'd say it's maybe an L.A. thing, but it's probably just me.
And I know you're assuming, 'Eh, he was ever really a fan to begin with,' which couldn't be more wrong. I was beyond obsessed with the game: memorized careers worth of stats - even rival players, knew personal details, went to every game I could, the whole nine.
I remember watching Grogan connect with Francis on a snowy TV, bro. Then watching the long-necked fuck scramble like Tarkenton the rest of the game. Your boys, before you born.
In fact, just found an old fifth-grade extra credit assignment my mom saved: play-by-play narration (with color commentary and analysis) of the 1980 Super Bowl, Steelers vs. Rams. I understand fandom, trust me.
Great, if you understand fandom so much then you wouldn't call serious fans idiots. So you quit on teams? Sounds more like a personal problem to me.
I also love how you throw it in my face that you were watching sports before I was born (like that is somehow my fault that I am younger). That is just a sign that you are getting old, pops. 8)
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Great, if you understand fandom so much then you wouldn't call serious fans idiots. So you quit on teams? Sounds more like a personal problem to me.
I also love how you throw it in my face that you were watching sports before I was born (like that is somehow my fault that I am younger). That is just a sign that you are getting old, pops. 8)
Miscommunication, just sharing my enjoyment of older times. Thought you might appreciate it is all. And, no, I don't understand your type of fandom at all. That's sycophantic, more about you. When there's nothing left to cheer for, I move the fuck on. Sorry, not on the payroll.
Also quit on my band, sue me. Guitarist replaced the bass player with his fat kid, and their former rock god frontman evolved into an embarrassingly nebbish lounge act. Fuck 'em.
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Miscommunication, just sharing my enjoyment of older times. Thought you might appreciate it is all. And, no, I don't understand your type of fandom at all. That's sycophantic, more about you. When there's nothing left to cheer about, I move the fuck on. Sorry.
Do you fight other fans for your team, you one of those?
Also quit on my band. Guitarist replaced the bass player with his fat kid, and their former rock god frontman evolved into an embarrassingly nebbish lounge act. Fucking sue me.
You are definitely in the minority amongst sports fans with this statement. Would you at least admit that?
Besides, just because I have favorite teams, does not mean that I do not find other teams/players exciting to watch.
You are what is called a "Fair Weather fan".
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You are definitely in the minority amongst sports fans with this statement. Would you at least admit that?
Sure, not unusual. Never really been comfortable with majorities.
Even though we're oversimplifying, I'll totally own 'fair weathered.' But it's never just losing that pushes me away; much more comprehensive than that.
But I've always been baffled by blind allegiance, yeah.
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Let me ask you this, Shizz. If the Pats up and moved, do your cheers follow them wherever? Or is your loyalty to Boston and whomever takes their place?
Hypothetical: What if the Pats take their name, mascot, and uniforms and move to, say, Poughkeepsie; but Belichick, Brady, and the other players become the Idaho Aryans outta Sandpoint. For whom does the "real fan" then root?
Town, franchise, or players: What exactly makes the team your team?
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Let me ask you this, Shizz. If the Pats up and moved, do your cheers follow them wherever? Or is your loyalty to Boston and whomever takes their place?
Hypothetical: What if the Pats take their name, mascot, and uniforms and move to, say, Poughkeepsie; but Belichick, Brady, and the other players become the Idaho Aryans outta Sandpoint. For whom does the "real fan" then root?
Town, franchise, or players: What exactly makes the team your team?
The Franchise. The Patriots. Tom Brady is my all-time favorite player, but if he got traded to the 49ers tomorrow, the Patriots would still be my favorite team (although I would root for him to do well) It will be a somber time when guys like Brady, Belichick , and Kraft are no longer around, but the franchise is what is constant for me.
It would be exactly like when the Brooklyn Dodgers moved to L.A. As long as they keep the Patriots name, then that is my team, no matter where they go, or who plays for them.
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The Franchise. The Patriots. Tom Brady is my all-time favorite player, but if he got traded to the 49ers tomorrow, the Patriots would still be my favorite team (although I would root for him to do well) It will be a somber time when guys like Brady, Belichick , and Kraft are no longer around, but the franchise is what is constant for me.
Ah, uniforms. Fair enough. But I think it does muddy it up a bit. I'm reminded of Brooklyn and Cleveland, when their teams just bailed on them. I couldn't forgive that.
But we digress.
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Ok, fair enough. But I think it does muddy it up a bit. I'm reminded of Brooklyn and Cleveland, when their teams just bailed on them. I couldn't forgive that.
But we digress.
Not saying it wouldn't be weird, or sting a bit, but it's my team.
My worst nightmare would be to move the team and completely change the name and the colors. I couldn't comprehend that :-\
Imagine the Browns moving to Baltimore to become the Ravens, but Cleveland never getting a new Browns team.
That would be my worst nightmare scenario.
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Not saying it wouldn't be weird, or sting a bit, but it's my team.
My worst nightmare would be to move the team and completely change the name and the colors. I couldn't comprehend that :-\
Yeah, gets confusing. "Team" becomes a little less distinct.
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Yeah, gets confusing. "Team" becomes a little less distinct.
Yeah, I never really thought hard about it until now. Imagine how it must have sucked for Houston Oiler fans to see the team move to Tennessee, and change the name and the colors of the team. Sure, they got the Houston Texans years later, but it wouldn't be the same for me.
The L.A. Rams moving to St. Louis wouldn't be as bad (in my way of thinking) Same team name, same logo, and the same natural transition of players.
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Yeah, I never really thought hard about it until now. Imagine how it must have sucked for Houston Oiler fans to see the team move to Tennessee, and change the name and the colors of the team. Sure, they got the Houston Texans years later, but it wouldn't be the same for me.
The L.A. Rams moving to St. Louis wouldn't be as bad (in my way of thinking) Same team name, same logo, and the same natural transition of players.
This is where it hits home. My best bud is a lifelong fan, as was his dad. He followed them to St. Lou, and as a real fan would, sticks with them through thin and thinner (minus '80, '99, '01). Even flies in for a game every year.
I've given him shit about it forever. Of course, I'd jump on board if they started playing well again, like with Warner. Other thing is that sports aren't nearly as important to me as they once were.
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Antonio brown steelers WR , his hair cut ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Antonio brown steelers WR , his hair cut ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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hahaha perfect. I saw his interviewe before the game and was like wtf
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3 TD, Groink is going to have a HUGE year again
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Was hoping the Steelers would win. Guess not. Wanted to see Brady cry like the phaggot he is. Lost all my respect for that douchebag.
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Massive CHANT by pats fans, clear as day
"WHERE IS ROGER?!?"
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i fuken HATE the Pats. But goddamn theyre a good team. Brady throws tonight were pinpoint accurate. Such a good QB...fuk i hate saying that
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#headsetgate
Pats had perfect headphones for 1st half.
Steelers had "bleed" with intermittent noises and channel noise from the Pats channel messing up their headset feeds for the first half, in which Pats took a nice big lead.
Another case of "they might have been leading anyway, but wow, those little fckups always go their way..."
Belicheat brought back that old 49ers trick to mess up headphones.
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Massive CHANT by pats fans, clear as day
"WHERE IS ROGER?!?"
That was funny.
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#headsetgate
Pats had perfect headphones for 1st half.
Steelers had "bleed" with intermittent noises and channel noise from the Pats channel messing up their headset feeds for the first half, in which Pats took a nice big lead.
Another case of "they might have been leading anyway, but wow, those little fckups always go their way..."
Belicheat brought back that old 49ers trick to mess up headphones.
The first time electronic receivers were installed in Football helmets was in 1956. A fan of the Cleveland Browns who was an engineer for General Electric installed a radio inside a football helmet that didn't interfere with the functioning of the helmet as a helmet. However, he didn't pick the channel frequency well...Policemen in cars who were there as security and traffic details accidentally discovered the scheme when they started picking up the coaching messages on their police-car radios.
The NFL banned it that same season...The ban stood until the 1990's...
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Steelers had zero radio contct during 1st quarter.
Pats took a quick 14-0 lead.
Once the headphones started working, the steelers out scored them 21 to 14
This kinda stuff makes you wonder. Patriots radio was on the coaches bandwidth. Never and issue in preseason tho ;-)
Goin their history, just too much of a coincidence to just blame um...
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Steelers coach was pissed. Said every time they play in New England, they jam their headphones from coach to coach.
Mike tomlin actually called out the patriots for it!!
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Modern helmet radios probably use the same channels used for wireless microphones. There are two kinds of wireless microphones.
- The ones with a license similar to CB radios...They use channels open to he public and limited power. You can just buy a system and just turn it on.
- The others have more restrictive licenses and have a channel assigned to it unique to that geographical location. You have to have a tech who knows what he is doing and can deal with applying for channels in every geographical location they will be operating in.
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Steelers coach was pissed. Said every time they play in New England, they jam their headphones from coach to coach.
Mike tomlin actually called out the patriots for it!!
Using a transmitter to jam RF communications is...Federal...
In Houston one of the large industrial sweatshops on Brittmore Rd near Tanner Rd acquired a cell phone jammer to keep their employee's phones from working. It took the Federal Communications Commission just three days to come down on their ass, confiscate the device, and fine them 20 thousand USD.
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Except....the NFL operates all radios in the stadiums.
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Except....the NFL operates all radios in the stadiums.
And it happened to both teams... More crying and excuses from the world of brain-dead lemmings... ::)
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The Pats play well in the rain. Did you notice it was RAINING last night? Hmmm?
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Except....the NFL operates all radios in the stadiums.
All it would take is a “scanner” with the appropriate bands to figure out which channels are being used.
Then use that knowledge to tune a jammer to take out whichever side you want to jam. Both devices would fit in a woman’s purse, or a man’s windbreaker or the like.
It wouldn’t matter even if there is one tech for both sides.
When cell phones were analog…people would take scanners onto commuter trains going into New York City and listen in on other passengers conversing on their cell phones while they were riding in or out of town.
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All it would take is a “scanner” with the appropriate bands to figure out which channels are being used.
Then use that knowledge to tune a jammer to take out whichever side you want to jam. Both devices would fit in a woman’s purse, or a man’s windbreaker or the like.
It wouldn’t matter even if there is one tech for both sides.
When cell phones were analog…people would take scanners onto commuter trains going into New York City and listen in on other passengers conversing on their cell phones while they were riding in or out of town.
Let's be somewhat logical here...I know it's Getbig, but let's try. The Patriots are just coming off a 7 month nightmare and the NFL commissioner is clearly gunning for them; releasing all kinds of anonymously sourced stories.
Do you REALLY think that they're going to start fucking around with the NFL operated radios? By using a federally illegal jammer? (Cue 240: "you can't prove it DIDN'T happen, huh?")
You Patriots haters really need another hobby.
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Not a Patriots hater, I care nothing about the NFL...But I am a telecom tech. And this shit does indeed happen as I related in the story about the phone jammer. I read about it in trade journals and the like.
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Easy win for New England.
All the usual crybabies will invent some "reason" that the game "really doesn't count" of course.
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Do you REALLY think that they're going to start fucking around with the NFL operated radios?
the NFL’s own Gameday Policy Manual states:
Home clubs are responsible for the installation and maintenance of the coaching staff communications infrastructure.
http://deadspin.com/what-exactly-happened-with-the-steelers-headsets-1730005682?hipra_discussion_redesig n=on&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.2&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2F%3Fhipra_discussion_redesign%3Don
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http://deadspin.com/what-exactly-happened-with-the-steelers-headsets-1730005682?hipra_discussion_redesig n=on&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.2&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2F%3Fhipra_discussion_redesign%3Don
It is now clear to me that the Patriots are solely responsible for every ill that befalls the earth. Thank you.
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It is now clear to me that the Patriots are solely responsible for every ill that befalls the earth. Thank you.
I wouldn't go that far, they're just more known as cheaters than champions at this point.
Unrelated, but kind of amazing how fast an article like that gets written and posted after a game. Information age and all that.....
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Put me down a bet on the Steelers to win, even though I knew the Pats would take it. Hate New England. ::)
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Put me down a bet on the Steelers to win, even though I knew the Pats would take it. Hate New England. ::)
Should have asked me, I would have talked you out of that one....
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Put me down a bet on the Steelers to win, even though I knew the Pats would take it. Hate New England. ::)
I read an article before the game about how the Steelers had a plan to "make Gronkowski earn every yard". Good thing...
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The headsets timing -coming back to life every time he nfl was approaching the pats bench- and the claim it kept getting loud on 3rd downs. This suggests human influence on the issue.
The defenses are hilarious. Pats fans, just shrug and say "we will do anything to win" and leave it at that. The nfl teams are just tired of this "gamesmanship". Note that as soon as the headphones issue was resolved, the steelers out scored 21-14. But the 14-0 lead during that headphone mess? Just too coincidental.
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The defenses are hilarious. Pats fans, just shrug and say "we will do anything to win" and leave it at that.
I think you meant "should" just shrug.
Because if you didn't - they do everything but that.
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Yes this mornings defenses are hilarious.
Yes,tomlin is also a cheater for stepping out on the field, thus last night headphone manipulation was okay. Lol
Imo, pats are just accepting this reputation as cheaters and will go all in now. Can't prove who did what, they just beat the nfl in court. Just cheat every week in every way, embrace that asterisk, baby!
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Yes this mornings defenses are hilarious.
Yes,tomlin is also a cheater for stepping out on the field, thus last night headphone manipulation was okay. Lol
Imo, pats are just accepting this reputation as cheaters and will go all in now. Can't prove who did what, they just beat the nfl in court. Just cheat every week in every way, embrace that asterisk, baby!
Epic paranoid delusions. Look out! I think Bellichick is in your closet!
I can see that your NFL season will be 100% full with tha Pats deep in your mind. Enjoy!
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240 either trolling or a acting like a conspiracy nut yet again.
Like AJ already pointed out........There is absolutely no fucking way the Patriots purposely messed with the Steelers headsets last night, being under the microscope like they are. Unfortunately, (and this is the Pat's fault) they are always going to be blamed for anything like this in the future. It also does not help that they are an elite team, which many in the league envy.
People completely forgot about the Browns and Falcons cheating incidents from last year. Why? Because those teams suck.
The Patriots will always have the spotlight on them due to the reputation that they have largely inflicted upon themselves.
As a Patriots fan, I can't stand the fact that we can't even seem to win a game anymore without people screaming and crying of controversy.
Only a certified moron would believe that the Patriots would have the unmitigated gall, to purposely mess with the Steelers communications, while the whole world is watching.
Electronic devices sometimes have technical difficulties. Deal with it.
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Yes this mornings defenses are hilarious.
Yes,tomlin is also a cheater for stepping out on the field, thus last night headphone manipulation was okay. Lol
Imo, pats are just accepting this reputation as cheaters and will go all in now. Can't prove who did what, they just beat the nfl in court. Just cheat every week in every way, embrace that asterisk, baby!
Haha yes, I forgot about the old Mike Tomlin manuever:
Should have busted that out last night.
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Steelers kicker couldn't hear the plays called so he wasn't sure where he was supposed to aim.
Steelers defense couldn't hear the signal to cover Gronk...
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There is absolutely no fucking way the Patriots purposely messed with the Steelers headsets last night, being under the microscope like they are. Unfortunately, (and this is the Pat's fault) they are always going to be blamed for anything like this in the future. It also does not help that they are an elite team, which many in the league envy.
People completely forgot about the Browns and Falcons cheating incidents from last year. Why? Because those teams suck.
The Patriots will always have the spotlight on them due to the reputation that they have largely inflicted upon themselves.
As a Patriots fan, I can't stand the fact that we can't even seem to win a game anymore without people screaming and crying of controversy.
Only a certified moron would believe that the Patriots would have the unmitigated gall, to purposely mess with the Steelers communications, while the whole world is watching.
Electronic devices sometimes have technical difficulties. Deal with it.
Yes, electronic devices do SOMETIMES have technical difficulties, here's a few of them:
2006: Patriots security staff audio interferes with the Jaguars’ coach-to-QB communication system at “crucial moments” during a playoff game. The Lions and the Bengals also reported their coaches’ headsets stopped working during games at New England.
2007: The Patriots are investigated for using unapproved communication frequencies to interfere with the New York Jets’ headset system.
2008: Karlos Dansby accuses the Patriots of tampering with the Cardinals’ headset system.
2011: Jack Del Rio has his Jaguars team practice without headset communications, as “that tends to happen in New England.”
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This was also the defense for deflategate after spygate, yet the Pats still did it.
Unproven.
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Yes, electronic devices do SOMETIMES have technical difficulties, here's a few of them:
As for this:
This was also the defense for deflategate after spygate, yet the Pats still did it.
I was specifically talking about last night's game. They wouldn't be dumb enough to do it, and it takes a stupid person to believe that they would.
There obviously is no concrete proof of the past allegations either, otherwise the NFL would have gone after them for that as well.
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Yes, the do SOMETIMES have technical difficulties, here's a few of them:
It's so weird that the team with a history of actually cheating - the pats - coincidentally have these headset issues.
Even worse is the "it starts working when NFL officials were about to turn off the headphones each time".
Sorry, but anyone who just falls for "coincidence" here isn't thinking clearly.
As for the arguments?
1) They wouldn't do that? Um, they sent in fake camera crews to gain an edge - they would.
2) They can't do that? Come on, the technology doesn't exist?
3) Steelers coach cheated too? LOL, and he was punished bigtime for it.
The same folks that said the balls were fine, the same folks that said spygate didn't happen, now say the Pats couldn't/woudln't disrupt headphones to take a 14-0 lead. Yep.
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Unproven.
If you had to bet your car.. I mean, you lose your car, or you get a pile of cash worth that car...
and you had to bet...
(and I"m not talking sending anyone to prison, I'm just saying if you had to bet either way)
Would you bet some kinda funny business was going on to Pats advantage?
Or would you bet the car it was just crazy coincidence that each time NFL officials were about to remove pats headphones, the error magically stopped - and nothing intentional human was influencing it?
I'm not talking about proving anything, suspending anyone - just if you had to bet - do you think it was human purposeful?
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It's so weird that the team with a history of actually cheating - the pats - coincidentally have these headset issues.
Even worse is the "it starts working when NFL officials were about to turn off the headphones each time".
Sorry, but anyone who just falls for "coincidence" here isn't thinking clearly.
As for the arguments?
1) They wouldn't do that? Um, they sent in fake camera crews to gain an edge - they would.
2) They can't do that? Come on, the technology doesn't exist?
3) Steelers coach cheated too? LOL, and he was punished bigtime for it.
The same folks that said the balls were fine, the same folks that said spygate didn't happen, now say the Pats couldn't/woudln't disrupt headphones to take a 14-0 lead. Yep.
2014 world champions. Deal with it.
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Only a certified moron would believe that the Patriots would have the unmitigated gall, to purposely mess with the Steelers communications, while the whole world is watching.
Only a complete moron would believe the Patriots ball boys would sneak into a bathroom and deflate a football, given the monster ASTERISK attached to the pats due to Spygate.
it's a completely unprovable thing here - some electronic interference at sweet 3rd down moments, and a few of them make the difference.. Pats had an instant 14-0 lead when headsets were fcked. The steelers outscored them 21-14 once the headphones started working. that says a LOT.
I never bought into "they couldn't possible cheat with everyone looking" - that's the BEST time to do it. They already have the rep, their fans will just blame a mean, butthurt NFL for any accusations, and really, this is likely just high-tech version of bill walsh 49ers cheating. A few quick bursts of radio interference on 3rd downs, nobody can prove anything, and Pats scrape out with a 7 point win.
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I am willing to be that every team has broken the rules or cheated to gain an advantage.
Not making an excuse for the Patriots, just pointing that out to fans of other teams who think that their franchises are squeaky clean. ::)
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In before 240 goes bananas
http://deadspin.com/ben-roethlisberger-says-the-patriots-defense-bent-the-r-1730032314
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I was specifically talking about last night's game. They wouldn't be dumb enough to do it, and it takes a stupid person to believe that they would.
There obviously is no concrete proof of the past allegations either, otherwise the NFL would have gone after them for that as well.
So, basically the Pats have been fined massive amounts of money and had draft picks taken away twice for cheating, but they're innocent.
Got it.
Guess Barry Bonds. Lance Armstrong, and Roger Clemens were clean too since he never failed a steroid test.
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I am willing to be that every team has broken the rules or cheated to gain an advantage.
Not making an excuse for the Patriots, just pointing that out to fans of other teams who think that their franchises are squeaky clean. ::)
Standard Patriot fan defense. Awaiting the "hate us cause they ain't......" ::) ::)
It's funny, now even that meme is mocked.
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2014 world champions. Deal with it.
LOL @ the defense of cheating being the benefits gained from cheating.
it's like me getting busted cheating on the wifey, and celebrating with "hey, at least I got laid, honey!"
I'm still a shit cheater.
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Only a complete moron would believe the Patriots ball boys would sneak into a bathroom and deflate a football, given the monster ASTERISK attached to the pats due to Spygate.
it's a completely unprovable thing here - some electronic interference at sweet 3rd down moments, and a few of them make the difference.. Pats had an instant 14-0 lead when headsets were fcked. The steelers outscored them 21-14 once the headphones started working. that says a LOT.
I never bought into "they couldn't possible cheat with everyone looking" - that's the BEST time to do it. They already have the rep, their fans will just blame a mean, butthurt NFL for any accusations, and really, this is likely just high-tech version of bill walsh 49ers cheating. A few quick bursts of radio interference on 3rd downs, nobody can prove anything, and Pats scrape out with a 7 point win.
No. The Patriots had Brady, Edelman, and Gronk. Those three are all the Patriots needed.
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Guess Barry Bonds. Lance Armstrong, and Roger Clemens were clean too since he never failed a steroid test.
Clemons was clean until he went to the Yankees, then he juiced his ass off :D
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I am willing to be that every team has broken the rules or cheated to gain an advantage.
Not making an excuse for the Patriots, just pointing that out to fans of other teams who think that their franchises are squeaky clean. ::)
I'm sure lots of teams try it. And I'm sure the Pats have done little things like this for years. Now, everyone is looking at them closely. Also there was a game clock reset, i saw on FB. Shady reset added 15 seconds to the clock for Pats.
LOL @ Colin "suddenly an uber conservative" Cowherd is suddenly the world's biggest Tom Brady fanboy, now that he's on FOX Sports radio. Ugh, Colin has been referencing Bill OReilly every 5 minutes on his show. shit is unlistenable suddenly.
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No. The Patriots had Brady, Edelman, and Gronk. Those three are all the Patriots needed.
Once the headphones started working, the 'unstoppable' Brady, Edel and gronk were outscored 21 to 14.
They get a monster lead 14-0 at home with selective headphone interruption.
They are outscored by 150% once the headphones work.
Ugh, cowherd should STFU, defending Brady nonstop.
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Once the headphones started working, the 'unstoppable' Brady, Edel and gronk were outscored 21 to 14.
They get a monster lead 14-0 at home with selective headphone interruption.
They are outscored by 150% once the headphones work.
Ugh, cowherd should STFU, defending Brady nonstop.
I can see that this is going to be never ending with you, so I am tapping out of this conversation. It's like trying to argue with a 9/11 Truther, they are just not going to see the world as you do. Everything is a conspiracy.
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Once the headphones started working, the 'unstoppable' Brady, Edel and gronk were outscored 21 to 14.
They get a monster lead 14-0 at home with selective headphone interruption.
They are outscored by 150% once the headphones work.
Ugh, cowherd should STFU, defending Brady nonstop.
It was scoreless after the first quarter, genius. I'm sure the headphones were sorted by that time.
There goes your argument.
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I can see that this is going to be never ending with you, so I am tapping out of this conversation. It's like trying to argue with a 9/11 Truther, they are just not going to see the world as you do. Everything is a conspiracy.
only in this case, pats have been GUILTY of cheating over and over. its' like if the govt admitted two other self-attacks, but claimed to be innocent in this case. Pats admitted guilt on spygate, and it's beyond proven the ballboy shadied up those balls in the potty. It's not a conspiracy, it's repeated behavior.
It makes football fun. Every sport needs a bad guy.
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It was scoreless after the first quarter, genius. I'm sure the headphones were sorted by that time.
There goes your argument.
look it up
it was 14-0 in 2nd quarter.
Coach tomlin said they had the problem the entire first half.
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look it up
it was 14-0 in 2nd quarter.
Coach tomlin said they had the problem the entire first half.
It was raining. The NFL came out with the statement: "Our technology does not work in the rain".
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NFL says that Patriots are not to blame for headset mishap.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/09/11/new-england-headsets-pittsburgh-steelers-bill-belichick-mike-tomlin/72049514/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/09/11/new-england-headsets-pittsburgh-steelers-bill-belichick-mike-tomlin/72049514/)
League spokesman Michael Signora said in a statement after the game it was a “stadium power infrastructure issue, which was exacerbated by the inclement weather” that caused the interference that left Steelers coach Mike Tomlin seething after the Patriots’ 28-21 win.
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NFL says that Patriots are not to blame for headset mishap.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/09/11/new-england-headsets-pittsburgh-steelers-bill-belichick-mike-tomlin/72049514/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/09/11/new-england-headsets-pittsburgh-steelers-bill-belichick-mike-tomlin/72049514/)
This won't make a dent in 240. Not a fucking dent.
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and 12 hours after deflated balls, Brady was on the radio giggling, mocking anyone who could suggest a thing, saying he, the #1 QB in the world, cannot tell if and when balls are flat.
In the coming months, we learned he admitted preferences in 2011 and many other things.
Reminds me of 24 horus after accuser came out against hermann cain. 24 hours afterwards, he was giggling, agreeing to a lie detector test. A few months later, it was a dozen women and a lezbo mistress 11-year paid affair.
So yes, 12 hours later, the pats are innocent. Just an astronomically statistical coincidence that benefits the pats. Again.
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and 12 hours after deflated balls, Brady was on the radio giggling, mocking anyone who could suggest a thing, saying he, the #1 QB in the world, cannot tell if and when balls are flat.
In the coming months, we learned he admitted preferences in 2011 and many other things.
Reminds me of 24 horus after accuser came out against hermann cain. 24 hours afterwards, he was giggling, agreeing to a lie detector test. A few months later, it was a dozen women and a lezbo mistress 11-year paid affair.
So yes, 12 hours later, the pats are innocent. Just an astronomically statistical coincidence that benefits the pats. Again.
As a talk radio host up here stated = Pats M.O. is to deny, deny, deny, then accuse.
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I just hope the Giants can make the playoffs this year.
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As a talk radio host up here stated = Pats M.O. is to deny, deny, deny, then accuse.
I was listening to Dan Lebatard today and they were right about one thing.
Yes, they have the rings, they have the trophies, but when you don't even get any respect from your peers, there's a problem.
The players and coaches are starting to not respect them and the other owners are starting to not respect Kraft.
That is a problem.
Now, everything... Past, Present, and future, is being looked at very suspiciously.
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Three words can be used to summarize the entire situation with the Patriots.
Haters gonna hate.
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and 12 hours after deflated balls, Brady was on the radio giggling, mocking anyone who could suggest a thing, saying he, the #1 QB in the world, cannot tell if and when balls are flat.
In the coming months, we learned he admitted preferences in 2011 and many other things.
Reminds me of 24 horus after accuser came out against hermann cain. 24 hours afterwards, he was giggling, agreeing to a lie detector test. A few months later, it was a dozen women and a lezbo mistress 11-year paid affair.
So yes, 12 hours later, the pats are innocent. Just an astronomically statistical coincidence that benefits the pats. Again.
I can I listened to an interview like that and he never said he was the best in the world. Post the clip.
Had no problem throwing last night or in the SB.
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Three words can be used to summarize the entire situation with the Patriots.
Haters gonna hate.
nah....people hate the Yankees because of their large amount of success, financial advantages, and NY attitude.
People hate the Patriots mostly because they synonymous with cheating, for the most part.
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I can I listened to an interview like that and he never said he was the best in the world. Post the clip.
Had no problem throwing last night or in the SB.
WW - he didn't say Brady said that - re-read.
Of course he wouldn't have a problem, he's one of the best ever......which makes you wonder why they went through such elaborate schemes to deflate footballs.
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WW - he didn't say Brady said that - re-read.
Of course he wouldn't have a problem, he's one of the best ever......which makes you wonder why they went through such elaborate schemes to deflate footballs.
"and 12 hours after deflated balls, Brady was on the radio giggling, mocking anyone who could suggest a thing, saying he, the #1 QB in the world, cannot tell if and when balls are flat."
Could be my poor 240 reading comprehension but looks that way.
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"and 12 hours after deflated balls, Brady was on the radio giggling, mocking anyone who could suggest a thing, saying he, the #1 QB in the world, cannot tell if and when balls are flat."
Could be my poor 240 reading comprehension but looks that way.
Now that I re-read it kind of does. Doesn't seem like something he would say.
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(http://i62.tinypic.com/34qtkw9.jpg)
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nah....people hate the Yankees because of their large amount of success, financial advantages, and NY attitude.
People hate the Patriots mostly because they synonymous with cheating, for the most part.
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"and 12 hours after deflated balls, Brady was on the radio giggling, mocking anyone who could suggest a thing, saying he, the #1 QB in the world, cannot tell if and when balls are flat."
Could be my poor 240 reading comprehension but looks that way.
That's 240 saying he is the number 1 QB in the world. Not that Brady said it himself, but I do see how you could arise at that conclusion.
It is worded oddly.
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That's 240 saying he is the number 1 QB in the world. Not that Brady said it himself, but I do see how you could arise at that conclusion.
It is worded oddly.
Good to see he is finally admitting it. ;D
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Good to see he is finally admitting it. ;D
Today, it's hard to argue.... He doesn't make mistakes. That's just truth.
He has no long ball arm anymore, but that's just age.
I personally believe that Andrew Luck is the best QB in the NFL right now, but that's just an opinion and of course means nothing.
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Brady said he doesn't really notice the flatness.
He is the #1 qb on earth. He said in 201 that he likes the balls a Little flat.
And he fought for control over the balls in 2006-7, and won. Fumbles plummeted from then on
Pats are good but they cheat in a lot of ways, and probably many we will never catch. They're the biggest cheats in football by a mile. The defenses of it are totally hilarious.
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Brady said he doesn't really notice the flatness.
He is the #1 qb on earth. He said in 201 that he likes the balls a Little flat.
And he fought for control over the balls in 2006-7, and won. Fumbles plummeted from then on
Pats are good but they cheat in a lot of ways, and probably many we will never catch. They're the biggest cheats in football by a mile. The defenses of it are totally hilarious.
I will give you that. As a quarterback, Brady can absolutely tell the difference in football pressure, so he wasn't forthcoming in that regard.
I will honestly say that I do not believe Brady knowingly knew those footballs were deflated to "illegal" proportions. I think he just liked how they felt, and at one point told the equipment guys to make sure that they were always like that.
That does not mean he knew that he was breaking a rule.
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That does not mean he knew that he was breaking a rule.
whole lotta texting, meeting and phone smashing for an innocent dude lol...
we all know at the very least, he covered up for cheaters, enjoyed the benefit for years.
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whole lotta texting, meeting and phone smashing for an innocent dude lol...
we all know at the very least, he covered up for cheaters, enjoyed the benefit for years.
That is the crux of this whole thing to me. Those texts have not been explained.
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There is no doubt in my mind, nor the mind of any reasonable person, that Tom Brady knew something was up.
Either during or immediately after.
He certainly knew something during the investigation and while you may not be able to "prove" it, in a civil case, he'd be paying out some money and would lose.
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I just want to move on.
We have a championship to defend 8)
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i agree completely the NFL has no case against him, he was too smart and smooth.
and i agree completely he cheated his ass off, knew it, and covered it up.
like most, he shuts up, lawyers up, and he gets away with it.
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i agree completely the NFL has no case against him, he was too smart and smooth.
and i agree completely he cheated his ass off, knew it, and covered it up.
like most, he shuts up, lawyers up, and he gets away with it.
He wasn't smart, the NFL was stupid. The process was what he got the suspension overturned with. And he could still lose.
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He wasn't smart, the NFL was stupid. The process was what he got the suspension overturned with. And he could still lose.
Hey, Americas Team: "The 2014 New England Patriots" is on NFL Network tonight at 10.
You should watch it, and be reminded what winning feels like.
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As I stated, months ago, earlier in this thread...
I'm a NY Giants fan; but I honestly don't care if the Pats cheated or not. I like seeing Tom Brady play.
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As I stated, months ago, earlier in this thread...
I'm a NY Giants fan; but I honestly don't care if the Pats cheated or not. I like seeing Tom Brady play.
Agree. As a Giants fan, Tom Brady played in my two favorite football games ever.
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The Pats play well in the rain. Did you notice it was RAINING last night? Hmmm?
ya cause he had good grip on the deflated balls :D
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Easy win for New England.
All the usual crybabies will invent some "reason" that the game "really doesn't count" of course.
easy??? no. Steelers blew lots of chances. 2 missed FG's plus that no TD where dude was wide open in the end zone but foot was out
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to me 240 has become a getbig troll. I almost put him on the same level as june or past shizzo
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easy??? no. Steelers blew lots of chances. 2 missed FG's plus that no TD where dude was wide open in the end zone but foot was out
Easy win...no doubt about it.
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Just gonna leave this here...
http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/
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I love how the Giants are 5th on the list.
Cheating bastards.
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Here is a nice summary on Spygate:
SUMMARY: Stealing your opponent's signals has always been common and never been illegal.
Said former Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Bill Cowher, "We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone's signals was a part of the game, and everyone attempted to do that." Admitted former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson: "When I came into the NFL, back in 1989, I talked to a Kansas City scout and he said, 'Here's what we do, we videotape the opposing team's signals and then we sync it up with the game film.' So I did it." Bragged, former Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan: "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game, with any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."
NFL commissioner and former Jets public relations intern Rodger Goodell confirmed this himself in 2008, saying that the issue was not stealing signals, that is allowed "and it is done quite widely." The issue is where and how you record them. If you chose to videotape them, then (after 2006) you have to do that from a league approved location. If you hire lip readers, they can do it from your coaches lap, if you want.
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Here is a nice summary on Spygate:
THIS is a better summary. It's a bit more than location. If you read it, you'll see the NFL did its best to try to make it go away - protecting the Patriots, but they just couldn't. stop. cheating....
http://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402
As the Patriots became a dynasty and Belichick became the first coach to win three Super Bowls in four years, an entire system of covert videotaping was developed and a secret library created. “It got out of control,” a former Patriots assistant coach says. Sources with knowledge of the system say an advance scout would attend the games of upcoming Patriots opponents and assemble a spreadsheet of all the signals and corresponding plays. The scout would give it to Adams, who would spend most of the week in his office with the door closed, matching the notes to the tapes filmed from the sideline. Files were created, organized by opponent and by coach. During games, Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots’ videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions. The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you’re filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.
Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17. Yet almost as quickly as the tapes and notes were found, they were destroyed, on Goodell’s orders: League executives stomped the tapes into pieces and shredded the papers inside a Gillette Stadium conference room.
Pats will just be synonymous with cheating when teams are discussed. Maybe it will go away over time, maybe it won't. The fact that Collinsworth was talking about it during a live broacast tells me it's here to stay.
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THIS is a better summary. It's a bit more than location. If you read it, you'll see the NFL did its best to try to make it go away - protecting the Patriots, but they just couldn't. stop. cheating....
http://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402
Pats will just be synonymous with cheating when teams are discussed. Maybe it will go away over time, maybe it won't. The fact that Collinsworth was talking about it during a live broacast tells me it's here to stay.
Facts are: All teams try to steal signals. How come people gloss over those quotes made by Cowher, Johnson, and Shanahan?
So basically, the Patriots got in trouble for perfecting what every team was already attempting to do. Every team was trying to steal signals on a certain level, its just the Patriots were better at it, and other teams were tired of the Patriots success.
It all boils down to rampant jealousy of the patriots organization. It all started with that rat Eric Mangini, who told on the Patriots, yet was probably heavily involved with the signal stealing in the years prior.
Spygate was a witch hunt led by jealous coaches and teams around the league. If you can't beat them, tell on them ::)
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Facts are: All teams try to steal signals. How come people gloss over those quotes made by Cowher, Johnson, and Shanahan?
So basically, the Patriots got in trouble for perfecting what every team was already attempting to do. Every team was trying to steal signals on a certain level, its just the Patriots were better at it, and other teams were tired of the Patriots success.
It all boils down to rampant jealousy of the patriots organization. It all started with that rat Eric Mangini, who told on the Patriots, yet was probably heavily involved with the signal stealing in the years prior.
Spygate was a witch hunt led by jealous coaches and teams around the league. If you can't beat them, tell on them ::)
Stop trying to justify the fact that your team cheats.
If you believe that the Patriots just accepted massive fines and loss of draft picks for doing something that every other team was doing, you're a bigger homer than I thought.
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Stop trying to justify the fact that your team cheats.
If you believe that the Patriots just accepted massive fines and loss of draft picks for doing something that every other team was doing, you're a bigger homer than I thought.
They all cheat on certain levels.
Are you implying that the Giants are squeeky clean?
They do a good job of faking injuries on the field, to slow games down. Remember that time when 3 Giants players fell to the ground at the same time, faking injuries?
I wonder who was coaching them to do that?
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They all cheat on certain levels.
Are you implying that the Giants are squeeky clean?
They do a good job of faking injuries on the field, to slow games down. Remember that time when 3 Giants players fell to the ground at the same time, faking injuries?
I wonder who was coaching them to do that?
There's a difference between on field gamesmanship and elaborate schemes of videotaping, disguising themselves, sneaking into other team's locker rooms, and having an employee dedicated to cheating.
Plus, once again, the facts are the Pats have been fined twice now for cheating, with the massive fines and loss of draft picks. Nationwide polls show that the majority of fans outside of NE do not believe them, and consider them cheaters.
It's very simple at this point:
Inside of NE: Pats do no wrong, or anything shady outside of what everyone else does, or people are jealous. Their four titles are greater than any thing any football team has done.
Rest of rational thinking world: Pats cheated, got caught, and it's part of their legacy.
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There's a difference between on field gamesmanship and elaborate schemes of videotaping, disguising themselves, sneaking into other team's locker rooms, and having an employee dedicated to cheating.
Plus, once again, the facts are the Pats have been fined twice now for cheating, with the massive fines and loss of draft picks. Nationwide polls show that the majority of fans outside of NE do not believe them, and consider them cheaters.
It's very simple at this point:
Inside of NE: Pats do no wrong, or anything shady outside of what everyone else does, or people are jealous. Their four titles are greater than any thing any football team has done.
Rest of rational thinking world: Pats cheated, got caught, and it's part of their legacy.
It's very telling that NOBODY ever includes the Cheatriots in the discussion of greatest teams ever. You hear the usual greats--70's Steelers, 80's Niners, 90's Cowboys--but you NEVER hear anyone in the football community include the Cheatriots in the discussion.
Only douchebags want to win without also having the respect of their peers. What's the value in winning if nobody cares or respects your accomplishments.
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It's very telling that NOBODY ever includes the Cheatriots in the discussion of greatest teams ever. You hear the usual greats--70's Steelers, 80's Niners, 90's Cowboys--but you NEVER hear anyone in the football community include the Cheatriots in the discussion.
Only douchebags want to win without also having the respect of their peers. What's the value in winning if nobody cares or respects your accomplishments.
Which is weird because 70's Steelers were juiced to the gills and other teams weren't as a whole.
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Which is weird because 70's Steelers were juiced to the gills and other teams weren't as a whole.
It's not what they're known for in the court of public opinion. People think of the steel curtain, terrible towel, etc with that team.
With NE it's cheating.
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It's very telling that NOBODY ever includes the Cheatriots in the discussion of greatest teams ever. You hear the usual greats--70's Steelers, 80's Niners, 90's Cowboys--but you NEVER hear anyone in the football community include the Cheatriots in the discussion.
Only douchebags want to win without also having the respect of their peers. What's the value in winning if nobody cares or respects your accomplishments.
Even though I just showed you a quote from Jimmy Johnson saying that he was taught to tape coaching signals and then sync them up with the game film.
So I guess the Cowboy championships of the 90's are tainted too 8)
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Even though I just showed you a quote from Jimmy Johnson saying that he was taught to tape coaching signals and then sync them up with the game film.
So I guess the Cowboy championships of the 90's are tainted too 8)
There was more to that article.
I read it too.
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Jerry Rice admitted to using illegal stickum, to gain an advantage.
49ers championships are tainted too. 8)
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Cheaters schmeaters, check out this kid - 722 yards/10 TDs in ONE FUCKING GAME:
http://nesn.com/2015/09/high-school-running-back-has-722-yards-10-tds-in-absurd-107-90-win/
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Cheaters schmeaters, check out this kid - 722 yards/10 TDs in ONE FUCKING GAME:
http://nesn.com/2015/09/high-school-running-back-has-722-yards-10-tds-in-absurd-107-90-win/
Highschool football is ridiculous. That game proves my point. The gap in competition for most good teams is laughable.
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:)
BREAKING NEWS: The NFL is officially investigating allegations made by the Pittsburgh Steelers that it rained harder on the Steelers sideline then it did on the Patriots sideline. This is leading some experts to speculate that maybe the Patriots have a hand in global climate change.
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Cheaters schmeaters, check out this kid - 722 yards/10 TDs in ONE FUCKING GAME:
http://nesn.com/2015/09/high-school-running-back-has-722-yards-10-tds-in-absurd-107-90-win/
Great Hebrew genetics
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Jerry Rice admitted to using illegal stickum, to gain an advantage.
49ers championships are tainted too. 8)
The Niners first Super Bowl was without Rice.
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Patriots receivers probably never used any stick-um.
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Jerry Rice admitted to using illegal stickum, to gain an advantage.
49ers championships are tainted too. 8)
Even though I just showed you a quote from Jimmy Johnson saying that he was taught to tape coaching signals and then sync them up with the game film.
So I guess the Cowboy championships of the 90's are tainted too 8)
Neither the Cowboys nor the 49ers were fined massive $$ and had draft picks taken away for cheating. Twice.
The Patriots have. It's what they're known for. Even at the beginning of the Mr. Robot series, there was an opening monologue that mentioned "things/idols not being what they seem" and it showed Tom Brady. That's who they picked, because it resonates with the public and their perception of him.
No example you give is anywhere near that.
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It's not what they're known for in the court of public opinion. People think of the steel curtain, terrible towel, etc with that team.
With NE it's cheating.
Ya. I imagine 20 to 30 years from now, Patriots will be known for their winning. There will be many teams nailed for something in that time frame and it will bring what the Patriots have accomplished into perspective.
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The Niners first Super Bowl was without Rice.
Doesn't matter. They will always be known as cheats now.
Rice is a cheater.
;D
Tomlin came onto the field, and got in the way of the Ravens kick returner. All Steeler wins in the Tomlin era are null.
Giants fake injuries and Lawrence Taylor played while on illegal subtances. All Giants wins are tainted.
Aaron Rodgers is gay and Brett Favre showed his penis. All Packer wins are tainted.
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Highschool football is ridiculous. That game proves my point. The gap in competition for most good teams is laughable.
Still, though. It's like Wilt's 100 - how is it even possible to rack up that many? Even if the defense just stays on the bench, he has to have the ball every single possession.
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Doesn't matter. They will always be known as cheats now.
Rice is a cheater.
;D
Tomlin came onto the field, and got in the way of the Ravens kick returner. All Steeler wins in the Tomlin era are null.
Giants fake injuries and Lawrence Taylor played while on illegal subtances. All Giants wins are tainted.
Aaron Rodgers is gay and Brett Favre showed his penis. All Packer wins are tainted.
Shizzo losing sports fan credibility in this thread.
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Ya. I imagine 20 to 30 years from now, Patriots will be known for their winning. There will be many teams nailed for something in that time frame and it will bring what the Patriots have accomplished into perspective.
Probably a mix of both. With media the way it is now, this story has reached everywhere. It's in the Pats DNA at this point.
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Still, though. It's like Wilt's 100 - how is it even possible to rack up that many? Even if the defense just stays on the bench, he has to have the ball every single possession.
Which is why it is ridiculous. How the hell is there even enough time for 1 team to score 100+ and the other to score 90?
Not impressive at all. Both teams have to be terrible.
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Shizzo losing sports fan credibility in this thread.
I'm joking.
But no team is clean. You can find infractions made by all 32 NFL teams. By that accord, everyone is tainted to some degree.
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Neither the Cowboys nor the 49ers were fined massive $$ and had draft picks taken away for cheating. Twice.
The Patriots have. It's what they're known for. Even at the beginning of the Mr. Robot series, there was an opening monologue that mentioned "things/idols not being what they seem" and it showed Tom Brady. That's who they picked, because it resonates with the public and their perception of him.
No example you give is anywhere near that.
If the Patriots pumped in crowd noise, they would get millions in fines and draft picks. If Atlanta gets nailed again for doing it(2nd offence). It will probably be another slap on the wrist. The league sent out a memo telling all teams not to pump crowd noise in over a decade ago. Which means they knew teams were doing it. And everyone knew Atlanta was doing it for years. Many say Seattle and KC have done it and still do it...Two of the loudest stadiums in the league. Yet the league has not even looked at Seattle or KC...Bottom line is the NFL and ESPN hate Brady and Bill B because they won't give them any interviews and won't do anything for them. Bill and Brady have shut them out. ESPN loves the Mannings. Chris Mortensen is a friend of the Manning family. It's interesting that Mortensen put out bad info on deflategate and Brady. No way he would have done that to Manning if Manning was accused of something. Once you find out who's in bed with each other, you can see the writing on the wall. Brady's father talked about ESPN and the league in detail. Cheating scandals at Brady and the Patriots make Manning career that much better in the eyes of public opinion. But watching what happened to Manning in the Super Bowl against Seattle and watching how Brady handled Seattle a year later told the story of why Brady is leaps and bounds ahead of Manning as a player...And it really isn't even close...
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Which is why it is ridiculous. How the hell is there even enough time for 1 team to score 100+ and the other to score 90?
Not impressive at all. Both teams have to be terrible.
Terrible defenses, gotta agree there.
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If the Patriots pumped in crowd noise, they would get millions in fines and draft picks. If Atlanta gets nailed again for doing it(2nd offence). It will probably be another slap on the wrist. The league sent out a memo telling all teams not to pump crowd noise in over a decade ago. Which means they knew teams were doing it. And everyone knew Atlanta was doing it for years. Many say Seattle and KC have done it and still do it...Two of the loudest stadiums in the league. Yet the league has not even looked at Seattle or KC...Bottom line is the NFL and ESPN hate Brady and Bill B because they won't give them any interviews and won't do anything for them. Bill and Brady have shut them out. ESPN loves the Mannings. Chris Mortensen is a friend of the Manning family. It's interesting that Mortensen put out bad info on deflategate and Brady. No way he would have done that to Manning if Manning was accused of something. Once you find out who's in bed with each other, you can see the writing on the wall. Brady's father talked about ESPN and the league in detail. Cheating scandals at Brady and the Patriots make Manning career that much better in the eyes of public opinion. But watching what happened to Manning in the Super Bowl against Seattle and watching how Brady handled Seattle a year later told the story of why Brady is leaps and bounds ahead of Manning as a player...
Preach!!!!! Teams are blaming the Patriots for everything now. Perfect example was Tomlin blaming New England for the headset snafu, and then the NFL clearing the Pats of any wrong doing the next day.
Its popular to blame the Patriots for winning.
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If the Patriots pumped in crowd noise, they would get millions in fines and draft picks. If Atlanta gets nailed again for doing it(2nd offence). It will probably be another slap on the wrist. The league sent out a memo telling all teams not to pump crowd noise in over a decade ago. Which means they knew teams were doing it. And everyone knew Atlanta was doing it for years. Many say Seattle and KC have done it and still do it...Two of the loudest stadiums in the league. Yet the league has not even looked at Seattle or KC...Bottom line is the NFL and ESPN hate Brady and Bill B because they won't give them any interviews and won't do anything for them. Bill and Brady have shut them out. ESPN loves the Mannings. Chris Mortensen is a friend of the Manning family. It's interesting that Mortensen put out bad info on deflategate and Brady. No way he would have done that to Manning if Manning was accused of something. Once you find out who's in bed with each other, you can see the writing on the wall. Brady's father talked about ESPN and the league in detail. Cheating scandals at Brady and the Patriots make Manning career that much better in the eyes of public opinion. But watching what happened to Manning in the Super Bowl against Seattle and watching how Brady handled Seattle a year later told the story of why Brady is leaps and bounds ahead of Manning as a player...And it really isn't even close...
More conspiracy........teams complain against the Patriots because the Patriots are always scheming.
But how Brady handled them? Threw 2 TDs and 2 Ints, had his head in his hands on the sidelines thinking he lost again. What a way to lead a team. ::)
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I'm joking.
But no team is clean. You can find infractions made by all 32 NFL teams. By that accord, everyone is tainted to some degree.
Atlanta should have been nailed hundreds of times for pumping in crowd noise. They and many teams for been doing it for decades. Almost all Hockey arena's do it. But in football, it really does give the home team a major advantage...
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Atlanta should have been nailed hundreds of times for pumping in crowd noise. They and many teams for been doing it for decades. Almost all Hockey arena's do it. But in football, it really does give the home team a major advantage...
Cleveland for the texting scandal as well. Both teams were fined, but nobody cares because they suck.
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More conspiracy........teams complain against the Patriots because the Patriots are always scheming.
But how Brady handled them? Threw 2 TDs and 2 Ints, had his head in his hands on the sidelines thinking he lost again. What a way to lead a team. ::)
He threw 4 touchdowns. ::)
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More conspiracy........teams complain against the Patriots because the Patriots are always scheming.
But how Brady handled them? Threw 2 TDs and 2 Ints, had his head in his hands on the sidelines thinking he lost again. What a way to lead a team. ::)
Got MVP of the Super Bowl against the best defense maybe to ever play the game. Manning had zero answers for that same defense a year earlier...
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Brady threw 4 TD's against Seattle.
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Grape Ape doesn't even know the proper stats.......... ::)
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He threw 4 touchdowns. ::)
How the two players stacked up against basically the same defense on the same stage
37/50---328 yards---4TDS---2INTS...81QBR=MVP Brady Super Bowl 49
34/49---280yards---1 TD---2INTS...24.4QBR=Manning Owned Super Bowl 48
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Got MVP of the Super Bowl against the best defense maybe to ever play the game. Manning had zero answers for that same defense a year earlier...
4 TD 2 Int, head in hands in defeat on sidelines when they won.
Typo on the last post.
Probably good enough QB to win without all the cheating. I know real Pats fans who are disappointed in their organization for this.
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4 TD 2 Int, head in hands in defeat on sidelines when they won.
Typo on the last post.
Probably good enough QB to win without all the cheating. I know real Pats fans who are disappointed in their organization for this.
What's wrong with head on hands in game that was going back and forth? Manning was an absolute turd in the punch bowl...
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4 TD 2 Int, head in hands in defeat on sidelines when they won.
Typo on the last post.
Come on, now the trolling is just obvious ;D
P.S. I had my head in my hands too, because I thought we were going to lose again on a miraculous catch.
Brady led his team to go ahead scores in the 2 superbowls vs the Giants as well. The defense didn't make the stops.
Brady ultimately did his job in those games. Gave the team the lead late in the 4th.
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Come on, now the trolling is just obvious ;D
P.S. I had my head in my hands too, because I thought we were going to lose again on a miraculous catch.
Brady led his team to go ahead scores in the 2 superbowls vs the Giants as well. The defense didn't make the stops.
Brady ultimately did his job in those games. Gave the team the lead late in the 4th.
The fact that Pats offence could do what they did against Seattle's D is amazing. Nobody was suppose to crack that D-fence. Brady and Bill did.
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Good interview here...Roger Goodell needs to be brought up on charges...
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Are we getting an Official 2015 NFL season thread to post all meltdown, ramblings, and Monday Morning quarterback analysis posts??
Or are we using this thread??
With that said my raiders never fail to disappoint
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Giants highly debatable pass play near the end. They had 3 timeouts, looked confused and decided on that dumb play and even better is retard Manning throwing the ball away. WTF!? So they give the ball back with plenty of time and decide to not play defense.
They should have ran it on 3rd. If they didn't score, let the clock run down to 1 second leaving 40 something seconds left, then tried a run again on 4th. Getting a field goal at this point is meaningless. Worst case Dallas starts at their own 1 yard line with 40 seconds to go. Instead they give them the ball at the 30 yard line with a minute and a half. Horrible game management
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Giants highly debatable pass play near the end. They had 3 timeouts, looked confused and decided on that dumb play and even better is retard Manning throwing the ball away. WTF!? So they give the ball back with plenty of time and decide to not play defense.
They should have ran it on 3rd. If they didn't score, let the clock run down to 1 second leaving 40 something seconds left, then tried a run again on 4th. Getting a field goal at this point is meaningless. Worst case Dallas starts at their own 1 yard line with 40 seconds to go. Instead they give them the ball at the 30 yard line with a minute and a half. Horrible game management
Dumbest play call since Carroll in the super bowl last year. Beyond words how professional coaches and players can be so dumb. I'll add to it - squibb kick after was stupd too - kick it out of the endzone.
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Are we getting an Official 2015 NFL season thread to post all meltdown, ramblings, and Monday Morning quarterback analysis posts??
Or are we using this thread??
With that said my raiders never fail to disappoint
Most getbiggers would be better QB/LB (two-way player) than NFL starters.
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Are we getting an Official 2015 NFL season thread to post all meltdown, ramblings, and Monday Morning quarterback analysis posts??
Or are we using this thread??
With that said my raiders never fail to disappoint
There's one on the Sports forum if you dare to click on another forum, and can handle civil (mostly) discussion.
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NFL reinstating Patriots Employees
i guess they didn't Let the Air out of the balls after all ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/14/new-england-patriots-deflategate-suspended-employees-meeting (http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/14/new-england-patriots-deflategate-suspended-employees-meeting)
Report: No NFL punishment for Patriots employees in Deflategate
The NFL will not impose a league punishment upon John Jastremski and Jim McNally, the two Patriots employees who were suspended indefinitely without pay for allegedly deflating footballs during last year’s AFC championship game, reports The Boston Globe's Ben Volin.
The Patriots submitted a formal request for their employees’ reinstatement last week, but Troy Vincent, NFL executive vice president of football operations, requested a meeting with them before deciding their futures, NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport reported Sunday.
A Patriots representative, Jastremski and McNally will meet with Vincent in the coming days, and the two employees will reportedly be reinstated with new roles soon, Volin reports.
Jastremski and McNally, who were the Patriots equipment staffer and locker room attendant, respectively, were implicated in the Deflategate scandal after text messages surfaced in which McNally called himself “the deflator” and suggested that he let the air out of footballs in order to receive free shoes and signed memorabilia. Both men were cited in the Wells Report.
• BANKS: Mariota looks like No. 1 pick in win over Winston's Bucs
Despite reports that the two men could face discipline by the league, Rapoport reported later that they would not receive further penalty.
Tom Brady has advocated for the staffers’ reinstatement. Brady’s four-game suspension for his role in Deflategate was overturned, and he played in the Patriots Week 1 win over the Steelers.
The Patriots will next face the Bills in Buffalo.
- Erin Flynn
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Yes, Patriots are the only team to ever cheat. ::)
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Wilson tweeting this out Saturday, then went out on sunday and took a shit
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Yes, Patriots are the only team to ever cheat. ::)
Jimmy Johnson was just as big a cheater as Bellichick but they never rag on Jimmy.
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Jimmy Johnson was just as big a cheater as Bellichick but they never rag on Jimmy.
Jimmy had that great evangelist hair.
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Wilson tweeting this out Saturday, then went out on sunday and took a shit
Coach Pete Carroll has no control over his team.
Lynch openly disrespected the coach all year. Now this. I guess as long as he's the one feeding the players adderall, they'll keep Carroll around.
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Keep bitching, keep crying.
Whole game is dirty.
Pats are just better. Deal with it.
Gronk was on fire btw.
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Brady to Gronk, get used to hearing that eve more this year... Beast...
I like how Brady, before the game, went up to the NFL guy holding 2 footballs, squeezed them both, and chose the one he liked best.
Goodell, 40 million dollar per year idiot...
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This thread embodies why I hate all Boston area fans.
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This thread embodies why I hate all Boston area fans.
::)
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This thread embodies why I hate all Boston area fans.
Try living up here.
The all parrot the same stuff. Been hearing lately how David Ortiz is clean.
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Week 1 had a lot of shitty football. The players want to bitch about pre season but they all looked like Turds.
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Raiders Give Middle Finger To The NFL, Refuse To Put Gold Marks On Field
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As part of the celebrations for the 50th Super Bowl later this season, every NFL field has the ‘50’ painted gold, like the above photo from the Steelers’ stadium. Every NFL team, that is, except for the Raiders, who played on a field absent of gold in Weeks 1 and 2.
Sports Business Journal tracked down the man responsible for the field, and he says the Raiders told him not to:
“The Raiders have asked us not to do that,” said Chris Wright, AEG Facilities VP and the Coliseum’s GM. AEG runs the stadium shared by the Raiders and the A’s. Raiders officials did not provide AEG officials with further explanation and the Raiders did not return emails and phone calls for comment.
The NFL told Sports Business Journal that it was simply because the A’s season is still ongoing, and as soon as it ends the gold markings will be painted onto the field. (Why they could paint the lines, end zones, and everything else while the A’s season is ongoing but not the gold 50s doesn’t make much sense, but whatever.) According to Wright, however, that isn’t the case:
But Wright said, “It has nothing to do with baseball. The last six home baseball games are through this weekend, and there will be no gold marks for the rest of the Raiders’ regular season.”
Mike Florio speculates that this has something to do with the fact that Super Bowl 50 will be played at the San Francisco 49ers’ stadium, and that the Raiders are pissed that the league hasn’t helped them find a new stadium to replace the garbage dump they currently call home:
While no reason has been provided the refusal to comply, Occam’s Razer (sic) suggests that the Raiders don’t want to acknowledge a Super Bowl that will be played down the road in Santa Clara, home of the 49ers. At one level, that’s because the two teams don’t get along. At another level, it’s because the 49ers had no interest in sharing their swanky new stadium with the Raiders.
At yet another level, it’s possibly a great big eff you to a league that arguably isn’t doing all that much to help the Raiders find a solution to its longstanding stadium woes.
Al Davis may be dead, but his spirit lives on.
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Keep bitching, keep crying.
Whole game is dirty.
Pats are just better. Deal with it.
Gronk was on fire btw.
THIS.
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This thread embodies why I hate all Boston area fans.
Are there things?
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Tom must be hurting for money ::)
http://www.wcvb.com/news/gisele-releasing-700-book-about-herself/35456690 (http://www.wcvb.com/news/gisele-releasing-700-book-about-herself/35456690)
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if your going to do sideline reporting, get that fucking mole removed for fuck sake
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Tom must be hurting for money ::)
http://www.wcvb.com/news/gisele-releasing-700-book-about-herself/35456690 (http://www.wcvb.com/news/gisele-releasing-700-book-about-herself/35456690)
You think she gives it to Tom good with a big old strap-on?
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Are there things?
Just homo Boston fan things...
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Just homo Boston fan things...
Everyone hates on the towns that own the titles, its just how it goes.
Since 2001:
Pats - 4 titles
Sox - 3 Titles
Bruins - 1 Title
Celtics - 1 Title
Unheard of...
Must suck to be a sports fan from another area, of course there's gonna be hate/jealousy.
Sports is all about bragging rights and shit talking... (How about the tards that say "we" when they talk about their teams)?
"We kicked your ass" and all that nonsense... I didn't realize fans were on the roster?
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Everyone hates on the towns that own the titles, its just how it goes.
Since 2001:
Pats - 4 titles
Sox - 3 Titles
Bruins - 1 Title
Celtics - 1 Title
Unheard of...
Must suck to be a sports fan from another area, of course there's gonna be hate/jealousy.
Sports is all about bragging rights and shit talking... (How about the tards that say "we" when they talk about their teams)?
"We kicked your ass" and all that nonsense... I didn't realize fans were on the roster?
This is the mentality of the Boston sports fan who view any type of criticism toward their teams as just "hating or jealousy" when that's not the case. It's uncanny how many up here rally around this misconception.
People don't hate the Patriots because they've won a lot of games. Yes, there's always fans out there who hate success, but this level of hate is way beyond that. People hate the patriots because:
1. They've been busted for cheating twice.
2. Their head coach is perceived as an arrogant miserable prick.
3. Their fan base is acts like they do. When you read the perception of Pats fans on sites like Deadspin, etc...when people from all over the country write similar opinions on the behavior of a fan base, it's probably based in reality
Take Red Sox fans too: They finally win a WS for the first time in 86 years, and instantly turn into arrogant, hypocritical douchebags. I was gettting texts from normal, rational Pats fan friends of mine during the Giants game last night, where they were all watching Eli just to hope he screwed up. It's a fucked up mentality.
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(How about the tards that say "we" when they talk about their teams)?
"We kicked your ass" and all that nonsense... I didn't realize fans were on the roster?
Haha yes :D Epic overcompensation for an otherwise empty life is my typical inference.
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Everyone hates on the towns that own the titles, its just how it goes.
Since 2001:
Pats - 4 titles
Sox - 3 Titles
Bruins - 1 Title
Celtics - 1 Title
Unheard of...
Must suck to be a sports fan from another area, of course there's gonna be hate/jealousy.
Sports is all about bragging rights and shit talking... (How about the tards that say "we" when they talk about their teams)?
"We kicked your ass" and all that nonsense... I didn't realize fans were on the roster?
I promise you that it has nothing to do with the titles.
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Red Sox three championships in the last 11 years
San Francisco Giants three championships in the last five years
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Red Sox three championships in the last 11 97 years
San Francisco Giants three championships in the last five years
Fixed
Do San Francisco fans have t-shirts / memorabilia mocking their NLCS opponents instead of World Series Championship stuff? Because Sox fans do.
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Red Sox three championships in the last 11 years
San Francisco Giants three championships in the last five years
Giants are great... I was merely stating all the teams in Boston (big 4) that have all won in that time frame.
Every city has the nutty/arrogant fans. Boston is just on top so much, they are the focus of the hate.
If it was NY (or anywhere), everyone would hate their fans... The chest pumping/bragging right thing gets old.
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Every city has the nutty/arrogant fans. Boston is just on top so much, they are the focus of the hate.
Same exact thing you've convinced yourself of earlier, but worded differently.
It's not the reason.
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Every city has the nutty/arrogant fans. Boston is just on top so much, they are the focus of the hate.
If it was NY (or anywhere), everyone would hate their fans... The chest pumping/bragging right thing gets old.
New England is made up of six states and you will find Pats fans in all six especially the Northern 4 (MA North). Not sure why you keep saying Boston.
Prior to the Buffalo game it was the NY/Buffalo media along with the coach and players making all the noise. The fans were also obnoxious.
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This is the mentality of the Boston sports fan who view any type of criticism toward their teams as just "hating or jealousy" when that's not the case. It's uncanny how many up here rally around this misconception.
People don't hate the Patriots because they've won a lot of games. Yes, there's always fans out there who hate success, but this level of hate is way beyond that. People hate the patriots because:
1. They've been busted for cheating twice.
2. Their head coach is perceived as an arrogant miserable prick.
3. Their fan base is acts like they do. When you read the perception of Pats fans on sites like Deadspin, etc...when people from all over the country write similar opinions on the behavior of a fan base, it's probably based in reality
Take Red Sox fans too: They finally win a WS for the first time in 86 years, and instantly turn into arrogant, hypocritical douchebags. I was gettting texts from normal, rational Pats fan friends of mine during the Giants game last night, where they were all watching Eli just to hope he screwed up. It's a fucked up mentality.
Why do people hate the Yankees?(The supposedly Evil Empire) Was there a cheating scandal with the Yankees? Their coach was one of the nicest guys in baseball in the 90's into the turn of the century...Their players stayed out of the news papers and did most things right. Players weren't allowed to have beards or long hair...Their owner was a ass hat but not to the point that most of the country should hate the team...Some might say it's because they out spent all the other teams and bought their titles...Yet we don't see the same type of hate happening toward the dodgers who are spending almost 100 million more a year than the Yankees ever did. Will people hate the Dodgers if the Dodgers start winning titles again? Because if they do start to hate the Dodgers after they win a title/s, then it could only be because they are winning...
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Why do people hate the Yankees?(The supposedly Evil Empire) Was there a cheating scandal with the Yankees? Their coach was one of the nicest guys in baseball in the 90's into the turn of the century...Their players stayed out of the news papers and did most things right. Players weren't allowed to have beards or long hair...Their owner was a ass hat but not to the point that most of the country should hate the team...Some might say it's because they out spent all the other teams and bought their titles...Yet we don't see the same type of hate happening toward the dodgers who are spending almost 100 million more a year than the Yankees ever did. Will people hate the Dodgers if the Dodgers start winning titles again? Because if they do start to hate the Dodgers after they win a title/s, then it could only be because they are winning...
People don't hate the yankees.
People hated Steinbrenner because he was a tool.
That's all.
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lol @ putting the Red Sox on the level of the Yankees :D
27 World Series titles vs. 8
26 between 1918-2004 vs. 0
Thinking your team is comparable to the most successful franchise in the history of American pro sports and being stunned/argumentative when it's pointed out that no, your team isn't on that level or even close, is why people hate the Red Sox / Boston fans / etc., HTH.
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Why do people hate the Yankees?(The supposedly Evil Empire) Was there a cheating scandal with the Yankees? Their coach was one of the nicest guys in baseball in the 90's into the turn of the century...Their players stayed out of the news papers and did most things right. Players weren't allowed to have beards or long hair...Their owner was a ass hat but not to the point that most of the country should hate the team...Some might say it's because they out spent all the other teams and bought their titles...Yet we don't see the same type of hate happening toward the dodgers who are spending almost 100 million more a year than the Yankees ever did. Will people hate the Dodgers if the Dodgers start winning titles again? Because if they do start to hate the Dodgers after they win a title/s, then it could only be because they are winning...
Steinbrenner, payroll, and a true, century long history of winning all contributed to it. And you're completely ignoring the Bronx Zoo era of the Yankees, where they won multiple championships amidst a totally chaotic clubhouse, something you ignore. And, most of the true hate which you describe, is mostly in New England, which is clouding your view. They're obsessed with NY.
There is genuine dislike for NY for all those reasons, but there is SEETHING hatred of the Patriots. They're despised. The whole country outside of NE wanted them to pay for deflategate. The activity on the story was unreal - and it's not because the Patriots won one Super Bowl and lost two in the last ten years. No matter how NE fans try to fool themselves, it's much more than that.
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Steinbrenner, payroll, and a true, century long history of winning all contributed to it. And you're completely ignoring the Bronx Zoo era of the Yankees, where they won multiple championships amidst a totally chaotic clubhouse, something you ignore. And, most of the true hate which you describe, is mostly in New England, which is clouding your view. They're obsessed with NY.
There is genuine dislike for NY for all those reasons, but there is SEETHING hatred of the Patriots. They're despised. The whole country outside of NE wanted them to pay for deflategate. The activity on the story was unreal - and it's not because the Patriots won one Super Bowl and lost two in the last ten years. No matter how NE fans try to fool themselves, it's much more than that.
You seem pretty obsessed with this "story" yourself, chief. No wonder you can't provide for your family and your wife has a two-hour commute to work every day.
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People don't hate the yankees.
People hated Steinbrenner because he was a tool.
That's all.
Yankees were the most hated franchise in the history of sports...
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Yankees were the most hated franchise in the history of sports...
I honestly don't think the "team" is hated because of anyone more than Steinbrenner.
They are also quite possible the most LOVED franchise as well.
Yankees fans are EVERYWHERE.
Seriously EVERYWHERE.
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Steinbrenner, payroll, and a true, century long history of winning all contributed to it. And you're completely ignoring the Bronx Zoo era of the Yankees, where they won multiple championships amidst a totally chaotic clubhouse, something you ignore. And, most of the true hate which you describe, is mostly in New England, which is clouding your view. They're obsessed with NY.
There is genuine dislike for NY for all those reasons, but there is SEETHING hatred of the Patriots. They're despised. The whole country outside of NE wanted them to pay for deflategate. The activity on the story was unreal - and it's not because the Patriots won one Super Bowl and lost two in the last ten years. No matter how NE fans try to fool themselves, it's much more than that.
I'm not from New England and not really a Pats fan. Lets face it. The NFL really doesn't give a flying fuck about the Patriots and deflategate etc. Their number issue is concussions. But they don't want do schmoe talking about concussions everyday. So the NFL is going to continually feed the media stories about any team and so called scandals to deflect. The Patriots are being picked out because their franchise can take it. Hell, I wouldn't even doubt it if Kraft himself told the league to go ahead and come after my team as long as we keep the concussion issue out of the media...Kraft took that million dollar fine and drafts picks no problem...Kraft knows the concussion issue could get way out of hand and cost the owners many more billions that were already agreed upon if the media didn't let up on that issue...There is way more going on here than meets the eye. The league not wanting Jr.Seau's daughter at the HOF was just mind boggling. They got some much shit from that that they changed their minds in a hurry and doubled down on the deflategate shit...If the Patriots dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow, the Seahawks would be the next team of "cheaters" to poke the stick at...This really isn't a Patriots thing imop...
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You seem pretty obsessed with this "story" yourself, chief. No wonder you can't provide for your family and your wife has a two-hour commute to work every day.
For some reason you think this meme you're holding onto bothers me, Fagwick the D-Cord
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I'm not from New England and not really a Pats fan. Lets face it. The NFL really doesn't give a flying fuck about the Patriots and deflategate etc. Their number issue is concussions. But they don't want do schmoe talking about concussions everyday. So the NFL is going to continually feed the media stories about any team and so called scandals to deflect. The Patriots are being picked out because their franchise can take it. Hell, I wouldn't even doubt it if Kraft himself told the league to go ahead and come after my team as long as we keep the concussion issue out of the media...Kraft took that million dollar fine and drafts picks no problem...Kraft knows the concussion issue could get way out of hand and cost the owners many more billions that were already agreed upon if the media didn't let up on that issue...There is way more going on here than meets the eye. The league not wanting Jr.Seau's daughter at the HOF was just mind boggling. They got some much shit from that that they changed their minds in a hurry and doubled down on the deflategate shit...If the Patriots dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow, the Seahawks would be the next team of "cheaters" to poke the stick at...This really isn't a Patriots thing imop...
Wait, you're saying deflategate is just a concocted conspiracy to draw attention away from concussions, and Kraft and Goodell are in on it? Dude.
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Wait, you're saying deflategate is just a concocted conspiracy to draw attention away from concussions, and Kraft and Goodell are in on it? Dude.
The concussion issue in the NFL is the biggest issue ever in any sport in written history. Yet the media won't really touch it. Every single NFL game that is played, 2 to 5 players get concussions on some level. Times that by 32 teams and on any given week, upward of well over 100 players a week get a concussion and almost all of them are never looked at by a doctor etc. Most of them lineman that we never see. Just the head to head jam off the line is enough to cause a concussion on some level. One X Bears doctor came out and said that if the players reported every time they had a concussion, no games would ever be played again. That the NFL would have to pay in the trillions in lawsuits...Do I think Billionaire owners are in on keeping it a quiet as possible? Ab-so-fucking-lutely! Concussion in the NFL is equal to the tobacco company lying and putting out false info about cigs causing cancer all those decades...But I guess if the internet was around in the 60 and 70's and someone wrote that the tobacco company were evil motherfuckers and are in on a conspiracy to hide the truth from the people, you would also be on the web questioning that person and calling them out as some conspiracy nut...
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For some reason you think this meme you're holding onto bothers me, Fagwick the D-Cord
it bothered you enough to get Carlton banned, raisin monkey
cry to your wife when she gets home from her two hour drive from work and tell her that you got your feelings hurt on GetBig
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it bothered you enough to get Carlton banned, raisin monkey
cry to your wife when she gets home from her two hour drive from work and tell her that you got your feelings hurt on GetBig
lol
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I know its very early, but damn pats going to try and chase that perfect season again?
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I know its very early, but damn pats going to try and chase that perfect season again?
That was pure slaughter
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That was pure slaughter
This is just the interregnum. They will drop 70 on the Colts in 3 weeks.
Payback's a bitch.
(edit: forgot about the by)
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3-0...............Deflate what........ 8)
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3-0...............Deflate what........ 8)
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What kind of Schalacking will the Pats lay down on the Dolts this Sunday night???
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35
48+
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What kind of Schalacking will the Pats lay down on the Dolts this Sunday night???
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Brady's pissed. He gonna lay 70 points on their asses.
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Brady's pissed. He gonna lay 70 points on their asses.
Bet $5000 on the over 55.....
Easy money, right?
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Bet $5000 on the over 55.....
Easy money, right?
One would think. Of course, the way Luck is playing, Brady would have to account for 52 of those points...
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Bet $5000 on the over 55.....
Easy money, right?
This game has parlay written all over. Take the Pats and the over...I think the score could look something like 55 to 27...
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This game has parlay written all over. Take the Pats and the over...I think the score could look something like 55 to 27...
I avoid those since going 1-1 loses cash.
The 55 seems so easy, so it gives pause......
Plus, I don't think Brady is really "mad" at the Colts.
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Crazy rumor going around that suddenly the Pats already have more fumbles this year than all of last year, and are 9th in dropped pass %, when they were 28th last year.
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Crazy rumor going around that suddenly the Pats already have more fumbles this year than all of last year, and are 9th in dropped pass %, when they were 28th last year.
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Seems to be a lot of dropped passes throughout the league. Stop letting the refs pump those balls up! :D
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Crazy rumor going around that suddenly the Pats already have more fumbles this year than all of last year, and are 9th in dropped pass %, when they were 28th last year.
Funny you mention it, I heard something of this on the radio yesterday on the Felger and Mazz show. &guy said he's just going to track it from here on out and do a comparison to the prior years. Callers were losing their shit about it <caveat so I'm not just blasting Pats fans - I was in the car most of the day Monday, and they were pretty rational on the whole, after the Giants game>.
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Crazy rumor going around that suddenly the Pats already have more fumbles this year than all of last year, and are 9th in dropped pass %, when they were 28th last year.
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9-0, retard, With regulation footballs. That trumps anything you can come up with.
Brady having one of his best statistical seasons ever, as well. Nice semantics. I'll give you an example. Brady had two fumbles against the Giants, on strip sacks from behind. Those are fumbles that would occur no matter the PSI of the football.
Also, Brandon Lafell has led the team in drops. This is because he came back rusty, from being injured for the majority of the first half of the season. They can also improve the drop % over the last 7 games, so trying to compare that, with the stat taken from the entire season last year, is misleading.
Your trolling is getting dumb. Even the majority of the fans are in agreement that the NFL looked ridiculous in this whole situation.
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Funny you mention it, I heard something of this on the radio yesterday on the Felger and Mazz show. Felger said he's just going to track it from here on out and do a comparison to the prior years. Callers were losing their shit about it <caveat so I'm not just blasting Pats fans - I was in the car most of the day Monday, and they were pretty rational on the whole, after the Giants game>.
Great catch. I think fans will soon realize Brady is a cheating fraud. Like Saddam Hussein, only probably worse.
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Great catch. I think fans will soon realize Brady is a cheating fraud. Like Saddam Hussein, only probably worse.
Put the bottle down.
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Great catch. I think fans will soon realize Brady is a cheating fraud. Like Saddam Hussein, only probably worse.
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Strange bracket since Carolina will be playing Seattle in the next round.
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Strange bracket since Carolina will be playing Seattle in the next round.
Minn should have tanked their last game so that they would play Washington in the first round. Instead they have Seattle...Although I believe they would have had Washington on the road and have Seattle at home...Maybe their owner wanted a home game and the extra money that comes with that to the area... :-\
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Strange bracket since Carolina will be playing Seattle in the next round.
Lower seed plays Carolina, higher seed plays Arizona.
Someone is a Seahawks fan. :)
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Pacers
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Agreed. Minn should have tanked it. Seattle will whoop their asses
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Agreed. Minn should have tanked it. Seattle will whoop their asses
they are overconfident, but you don't want to play a team that's been to the last two superbowls and has ton of playoff experience. GB knew they couldn't beat Seattle and lost it on purpose.
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Pat's were number 1 in fumbles by a country mile....again....
Not so interesting anymore, eh?
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Pat's were number 1 in fumbles by a country mile....again....
Not so interesting anymore, eh?
People refuse to admit that having the balls deflated definitely helps.
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People refuse to admit that having the balls deflated definitely helps.
Their fumble rate was exactly the same as last year, 0.9 fumbles per game.
Third best in the league even after all the injuries to their skilled position players.
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Their fumble rate was exactly the same as last year, 0.9 fumbles per game.
Third best in the league even after all the injuries to their skilled position players.
So you're saying deflated balls don't help?
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Their fumble rate was exactly the same as last year, 0.9 fumbles per game.
Third best in the league even after all the injuries to their skilled position players.
Wrong. You are including fumbles on special teams in that number (using K-balls); not the ones that were in question during deflategate.
From a filthy cowboys fan, no less:
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/mmqb-interesting-2015-fumble-stats.340585/
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People refuse to admit that having the balls deflated definitely helps.
It's ok.
Just keep breathing, it'll be ok.
Pats will take another one :-*
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Wrong. You are including fumbles on special teams in that number (using K-balls); not the ones that were in question during deflategate.
From a filthy cowboys fan, no less:
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/mmqb-interesting-2015-fumble-stats.340585/
Thanks, I didn't think to factor in fumbles with the kicking balls. So their offense led the league in fewest fumbles.
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It's ok.
Just keep breathing, it'll be ok.
Pats will take another one :-*
I don't care if they do or don't, but they won't.
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I don't care if they do or don't, but they won't.
who do you think will win the SB?
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who do you think will win the SB?
I think it will be someone in the NFC this year.
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I'm a Pats fan and I will say this. The amount of dropped balls by their players seemed very high this year. However, dropped balls seem to be way up all across the league. My guess is many teams played with air pressure before this year and now are playing it straight up. Denver seems like they have a massive amount of dropped balls this year. Also the year that the league is watching air pressure has been the worst year of Peyton Mannings career. Not only are his players dropping balls but he doesn't seem to get a good grip on the ball. I think Manning is the one QB who was fucked over now not being able to deflate footballs.
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Also the year that the league is watching air pressure has been the worst year of Peyton Mannings career. Not only are his players dropping balls but he doesn't seem to get a good grip on the ball. I think Manning is the one QB who was fucked over now not being able to deflate footballs.
He's also 39 years old, has neck fusion and nerve damage in this throwing arm (can't really his fingertips on his throwing hand), and torn plantar fascia.
He sucked pretty bad for the last third or so of last year as well.
There's also this if we're going to point fingers:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-receivers-drops-010516
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He's also 39 years old, has neck fusion and nerve damage in this throwing arm (can't really his fingertips on his throwing hand), and torn plantar fascia.
He sucked pretty for the last third or so of last year as well.
There's also this if we're going to point fingers:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-receivers-drops-010516
I get all that but the guy threw 55 TDs and almost 5500 yards at 37 years old with neck fusion and nerve damage.
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There's also this if we're going to point fingers:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-receivers-drops-010516
I always suspected Gronk was behind the deflation, now there's proof. ;D
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Is that Hoyer out there or another Romo Texan QB ?
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Deflate gate alive and well
Roger Goodell only 2 games away from giving Tom Brady another Super Bowl trophy
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Deflate gate alive and well
Roger Goodell only 2 games away from giving Tom Brady another Super Bowl trophy
;D ;D ;D
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Shit, and i thought seahawks were cold last week
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What a close game..... beastmode
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What a close game..... beastmode
Ass whooping by Carolina so far! ;D
31-0
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Ass whooping by Carolina so far! ;D
31-0
I think people always assume New England is going to win. Not if they have to face Carolina.
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I think people always assume New England is going to win. Not if they have to face Carolina.
Cardinals had a hard fucking time with the weak packers at home, they better have a hell of a game plan againt caroline at home next week
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Cardinals had a hard fucking time with the weak packers at home, they better have a hell of a game plan againt caroline at home next week
It will be a devastation.
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I think people always assume New England is going to win. Not if they have to face Carolina.
Nah, not this year, too many injuries, just hanging on for Pats standards. Even when down, they are better than most.
Though I never count them out, I gave up on that years back.
Healthiest "good" team wins...
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I think people always assume New England is going to win. Not if they have to face Carolina.
That's what everyone said about the Pats playing "the fastest show on turf" Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI.
Any given Sunday.
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Never ever count the pats out
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I don't think anyone's counting the Pats out...I'd say their the favorites.
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Bitchedmode
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I don't think anyone's counting the Pats out...I'd say their the favorites.
Every pregame show i saw yesterday predicted KC cheifs to beat the pats
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Nah, not this year, too many injuries, just hanging on for Pats standards. Even when down, they are better than most.
Though I never count them out, I gave up on that years back.
Healthiest "good" team wins...
I actually don't give a shit who wins. I don't follow sports. I only watch the playoffs because of the high intensity of the games. I don't have a favorite team.
But I think the Pats are the team to beat this year.
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That's what everyone said about the Pats playing "the fastest show on turf" Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI.
Any given Sunday.
We need a football team made up of getbiggers.
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Every pregame show i saw yesterday predicted KC cheifs to beat the pats
Pats were -5 / -5.5......doesn't matter what the morons say - they're just generating interest. Only question in Pats game would be if KC could get to Brady and make him turtle...
Interesting game is actually tonight....Steelers D sucks, no Brown, no Williams, Big Ben hurting.....no rhyme or reason why Denver shouldn't do what Carolina is doing to Seattle.........but the gambler in me is hesitant....looks too easy.
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but the gambler in me is hesitant....looks too easy.
aaand...it was.
If you got -7.5, you lose.
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Listening to sports radio up here about the game here was their consensus:
QB: Pats
WR/TE: Pats
RB: Denver
O line: Denver
D line: Denver
Secondary: Denver
ST: Pats
Coach: Pats
Seems fair - If Thomas/Sanders haven't been dropping so many passes lately, you could make an arguement, but Edelman/Gronkowski is very good when healthy.
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Listening to sports radio up here about the game here was their consensus:
QB: Pats
WR/TE: Pats
RB: Denver
O line: Denver
D line: Denver
Secondary: Denver
ST: Pats
Coach: Pats
Seems fair - If Thomas/Sanders haven't been dropping so many passes lately, you could make an arguement, but Edelman/Gronkowski is very good when healthy.
This is laughable.
TE/WR are two different things. TE, Pats by a mile. But Thomas is better than any Pats wideout by a mile. O-line is 50/50. Denver lost a couple starters this year, so did the Pats. Both are shit.
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This is laughable.
TE/WR are two different things. TE, Pats by a mile. But Thomas is better than any Pats wideout by a mile. O-line is 50/50. Denver lost a couple starters this year, so did the Pats. Both are shit.
It's not laughable...it's pretty accurate - I was expecting pure homerism, but it wasn't.
I can't speak for them lumping WR/T them together, and I agree about Thomas BUT he also is having a poor year with catching passes.
Pats O-line, as it stands now, is one of the worst in football. Denver's is better.
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It's not laughable...it's pretty accurate - I was expecting pure homerism, but it wasn't.
I can't speak for them lumping WR/T them together, and I agree about Thomas BUT he also is having a poor year with catching passes.
Pats O-line, as it stands now, is one of the worst in football. Denver's is better.
Edelman dropped so many catches last game. Surprised Brady didn't choke him in his sleep.
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Edelman dropped so many catches last game. Surprised Brady didn't choke him in his sleep.
That's true too - say we give the WR to Denver, and TE to NE......that looks like the scales tip in Denver's favor big time.
Unless the QB/Coach advantage drastically outweighs the others....
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The Deflategate story is laughable in hindsight. The Patriots are in the AFC Championship Game for the fifth year in a row.
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Everyone would love manning to go out with a SB win.
Pats are healthy. They're going to decimate the Broncos. They're gonna win by 23 points.
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The Deflategate story is laughable in hindsight. The Patriots are in the AFC Championship Game for the fifth year in a row.
Of course it laughable, always has been. so many reporters outed for fake info (Mortensen, Peter King, etc).
Created and paid for by the NFL, epic fail Roger...
It was so important, the refs forgot the pressure gauges and kicking footballs at the hotel ::)
Total buffoons...
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The fact is that there are only a few teams that consistently put up good performances, whether riddled with injuries or not, as opposed to the other who are 2nd or 3rd tier at best by comparrison. The better team wins, losers seek excuses.
And Goodell needs to come in contact with polonium-210.
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Fucking contract dispute between AT&T and local Fox affiliate in S.FL. Won't be able to watch the NFC championship game. I am pissed.
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Lol
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Shizzo is rolling in his grave
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Hearing the reports on the radio, one judge got really hung up on the cell phone destruction. Don't have time today, but being up here, I expect people to lose their collective shit.
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upheld the suspension? breaking all over facebook now.
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Two to one ruling upholding the CBA agreement.
The 33-page ruling wraps up with this conclusion: “The parties contracted in the CBA to specifically allow the Commissioner to sit as the arbitrator in all disputes brought pursuant to Article 46, Section 1(a). They did so knowing full well that the Commissioner had the sole power of determining what constitutes ‘conduct detrimental,’ and thus knowing that the Commissioner would have a stake both in the underlying discipline and in every arbitration brought pursuant to Section 1(a). Had the parties wished to restrict the Commissioner’s authority, they could have fashioned a different agreement.”
One thing that stands out here is the fact that it was a three-judge panel, and two of the judges — Barrington D. Parker and Denny Chin — ruled one way. Meanwhile Judge Robert Katzmann (the chief judge, as listed on the decision) ruled in favor of Brady and the league. While it can be seen as a victory for Goodell and the current CBA, the result was less than resounding.
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Hearing the reports on the radio, one judge got really hung up on the cell phone destruction. Don't have time today, but being up here, I expect people to lose their collective shit.
You mean the phone that he wasn't on the hook legally to hand over? You mean the one where the phone isn't needed to get texts and info off of?
Judge must be a liberal Jets fan or something. :D
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I'm afraid to turn on 98.5 or EEI. I will just listen to some cool jazz on the way home.
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Another cover up. Probably got suspended for HGH use but the league found another way to suspend him.
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You mean the phone that he wasn't on the hook legally to hand over? You mean the one where the phone isn't needed to get texts and info off of?
Judge must be a liberal Jets fan or something. :D
Yes, that phone. It's really kind of odd, considering they didn't ask for the phone, but asked for Brady to just turn over the texts that would be pertinent to the investigation, and he would be taken on his word. For some reason they refused that as well.
Who knows? I still think if they just admitted that he liked the footballs a bit on the low side, and that the equipment guys may have gotten a bit overealous, this would have been old news and a 25k fine or something.
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Another cover up. Probably got suspended for HGH use but the league found another way to suspend him.
He has a pretty good season. Dude is 38. Manning was living on the HGH. I'd be shocked if Brady wasn't also.
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I still think if they just admitted that he liked the footballs a bit on the low side, and that the equipment guys may have gotten a bit overealous, this would have been old news and a 25k fine or something.
All Patriots fans wish that they would have taken this approach. Belichick isn't like that thpugh. He was determined to steamroll this and it fucked them. I blame Bill.
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All Patriots fans wish that they would have taken this approach. Belichick isn't like that thpugh. He was determined to steamroll this and it fucked them. I blame Bill.
Funny though is who the fuck cares. I can understand if the Patriot fucked with footballs on the opposing team but they didn't. they only softened them a bit for themselves. It's not changing the odds of the game.
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Funny though is who the fuck cares. I can understand if the Patriot fucked with footballs on the opposing team but they didn't. they only softened them a bit for themselves. It's not changing the odds of the game.
A little of this and a little of that adds up to a lot of little shit!
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A little of this and a little of that adds up to a lot of little shit!
Just seems the NFL is after them about something more serious, maybe even gambling or game fixing but can't risk telling the truth
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Funny though is who the fuck cares. I can understand if the Patriot fucked with footballs on the opposing team but they didn't. they only softened them a bit for themselves. It's not changing the odds of the game.
When they took the balls away in the second half of that game, NE exploded on Indy and then went on to win the SB after that, and things were looking real good for most of this last season before the injury bug got to them.
(And some stupid out of the ordinary calls/plays). Every team looks for an edge, if you dont, youre totally stupid... (Chargers with sticky on their towels, Bounty Gate, etc).
The freaking Cardinals hacked into the Astro's team database (a federal felony) and that created zero noise. This air pressure thing is retarded. Like the talking heads who report it, and the sheeple who listen to them
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When they took the balls away in the second half of that game, NE exploded on Indy and then went on to win the SB after that, and things were looking real good for most of this last season before the injury bug got to them.
(And some stupid out of the ordinary calls/plays). Every team looks for an edge, if you dont, youre totally stupid... (Chargers with sticky on their towels, Bounty Gate, etc).
The freaking Cardinals hacked into the Astro's team database (a federal felony) and that created zero noise. This air pressure thing is retarded. Like the talking heads who report it, and the sheeple who listen to them
Football. Baseball. Cats and dogs.
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Fuck Tim Brady and the pats, a bunch of cheats
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When they took the balls away in the second half of that game, NE exploded on Indy and then went on to win the SB after that, and things were looking real good for most of this last season before the injury bug got to them.
(And some stupid out of the ordinary calls/plays). Every team looks for an edge, if you dont, youre totally stupid... (Chargers with sticky on their towels, Bounty Gate, etc).
Yeah, but this is a second offense for NE. They were stupid here, in both getting caught, and the way they handled the situation. Pure arrogance + second offense = big penalties.
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He has a pretty good season. Dude is 38. Manning was living on the HGH. I'd be shocked if Brady wasn't also.
He may but he never stops his diet or training. Doesn't use weights either.
With all the injuries 2015 was a great season throwing for almost 4800 yards.
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He may but he never stops his diet or training. Doesn't use weights either.
With all the injuries 2015 was a great season throwing for almost 4800 yards.
Yeah - his diet is pretty interesting. I think he legit wants to play another 10 years.
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Yeah - his diet is pretty interesting. I think he legit wants to play another 10 years.
He may want to but we all know all it takes is one bad hit. He took a beating last year with the O line literally running out of players.
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more and more butthurt
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Doesn't use weights either.
Doesn't want to get too big?
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Doesn't want to get too big?
He used to then I saw he switched to more band work. Maybe less pressure on joints etc.
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He used to then I saw he switched to more band work. Maybe less pressure on joints etc.
I believe ukjeff has used this approach with some success as well.
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Just seems the NFL is after them about something more serious, maybe even gambling or game fixing but can't risk telling the truth
You may be right. But I also think it really comes down to the parity thing. The NFL wants to expand their brand and bring more teams into the mix. I bet if the NFL allowed Miami, Buffalo or the Jets to move out of the AFC East but they would have to pay 100 million dollar penalty to do so, they would do it in a heartbeat. Just so they wouldn't have the Patriots in their division...It has to suck as a team to go into a season trying to play for a wild card almost every year before the season even starts. I know some Pats fans who want Brady to just take the 4 games and be done with it. They want to see what Jimmy Garoppolo can do. CAn you imagine if he comes out and lights it up in the first 4 games of the season? The AFC East could have another 10 to 15 years of Patriot dominance. That would be the NFL's worst nightmare...
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A little of this and a little of that adds up to a lot of little shit!
Yet they still won the sb that year playing with "normal footballs"
Pffft
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Yet they still won the sb that year playing with "normal footballs"
Pffft
there are so many things we would have to factor in, if you want to look at it that way.
How many more minutes did their starters have to rest that year, because they had such great early leads? Were there more playoff games at home thanks to a better record that the flat ball certainly delivers?
Brady admitted he likes them flat. Then they came up flat. Then he wrecked his phone as part of a cover up. He was pretty scared shitless of something with all those texts to the deflator guy. And of course, his voice cracked and he giggled and lied when asked about it.
I don't think he should get more than a $50k fine for equipment violations. I don't think he should be suspended. But I do think he should be branded a shady ass dude, because giggling and lying is what shady ass dudes do.
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You may be right. But I also think it really comes down to the parity thing. The NFL wants to expand their brand and bring more teams into the mix. I bet if the NFL allowed Miami, Buffalo or the Jets to move out of the AFC East but they would have to pay 100 million dollar penalty to do so, they would do it in a heartbeat. Just so they wouldn't have the Patriots in their division...It has to suck as a team to go into a season trying to play for a wild card almost every year before the season even starts. I know some Pats fans who want Brady to just take the 4 games and be done with it. They want to see what Jimmy Garoppolo can do. CAn you imagine if he comes out and lights it up in the first 4 games of the season? The AFC East could have another 10 to 15 years of Patriot dominance. That would be the NFL's worst nightmare...
The idea that the NFL is treating the Patriots unfairly because they win too much is only something a Pats fan could dream up and actually believe.
In the last decade, they've had 8 different Super Bowl champs, with only NY and Pittsburgh repeating.
The NFL would much rather the Jets, Miami, and Buffalo put out a better product and compete rather than being a perennial trio of shit that guarantees easy win year after year for NE and the rest of the AFC.
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The idea that the NFL is treating the Patriots unfairly because they win too much is only something a Pats fan could dream up and believe.
In the last decade, they've had 8 different Super Bowl champs, with only NY and Pittsburgh repeating.
Victim status is a powerful drug.
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The idea that the NFL is treating the Patriots unfairly because they win too much is only something a Pats fan could dream up and actually believe.
In the last decade, they've had 8 different Super Bowl champs, with only NY and Pittsburgh repeating.
The NFL would much rather the Jets, Miami, and Buffalo put out a better product and compete rather than being a perennial trio of shit that guarantees easy win year after year for NE and the rest of the AFC.
It's not SB or bust for most of the NFL. Over the past decade, 11 teams have not even made it to the NFL post season. That's over 1/3 of all NFL Franchises. Making it to the playoffs is considered a great year for the majority of the teams in the NFL. It also means much more money for the owners and the city surrounding the stadium in which the games are played. As far as the NFL going after the Pats and not other teams, the Jets/Revis tampering charge shows you that's exactly what is going on. Jets owner made a statement that is textbook tampering in the NFL but decided to do nothing to the Jets.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/20/nfl-investigators-visited-jets-facility-over-revis-tampering/ The Jets who have prior violations with the NFL. Imop they didn't want to take a draft pick from the Jets because they want the Jets to be a better team to compete with the Pats. It's weird that people don't want to believe that the NFL would try to help other teams and hurt others when the NFL as a league is a dirty organization and has been for decades.
If you or anyone reading this hasn't seen the documentary below, watch it. It's an hour long but well worth it. It shows exactly what was going on in the NFL and what most likely still is. Why do I think it still is? Because no team or players have ever been pinched of point shaving when statistically it's impossible that it hasn't happened in the last couple decades when gambling is at an all time high.
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Bruce Wayne is still very upset and still drinking every wine bottle in wayne manor it appears
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Bruce Wayne is still very upset and still drinking every wine bottle in wayne manor it appears
Ben and tom make a cute couple. (yes homo)
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Coach Pete Carroll has no control over his team.
Lynch openly disrespected the coach all year. Now this. I guess as long as he's the one feeding the players adderall, they'll keep Carroll around.
#Truth
Lynch was able to disrespect everything all year. Now the team wants to shit all over the flag by protesting during the National Anthem.
I cannot see how anyone can defend this man anymore...