I was a piglet.
But you know what.
I gained alot of muscle in a quick amount of time.
I reccomend becoming a piglet at least once to see what happens. I started at 135 lbs
blind leading the blind
Bet you TA doesn't even follow his own principles.
you're delusional Matt. You lost 15lbs and you think you lost muscle. You have self-image issues. How do you expect to get leaner without losing weight?
you're delusional Matt. You lost 15lbs and you think you lost muscle. You have self-image issues. How do you expect to get leaner without losing weight?i agree here, if he lost 15 pounds probably only a few was muscle just like when you gain weight quick not a whole lot of it is muscle.
i agree here, if he lost 15 pounds probably only a few was muscle just like when you gain weight quick not a whole lot of it is muscle.
He said he looked the same only at a lighter weight.........how do you figure?that tells me that he probably lost some fat and water weight, if his muscles looked the same size and he lost weight it stands to reason that he lost bodyfat and water.
I just look like a downsized version of myself...I think 15 or more pounds should result in looking a little leaner than I am should it have actually been done properly.drugs have a lot to do with keeping lean mass while dieting.
Question: if TA is right, why does virtually everyone in the industry do it differently?
That's why I feel like shit about it. I think he was just fucking around because he likes to do that. Ultimately it's my fault though.
Then what did I lose? I'm certainly no leaner than I used to be. Yes, there is a way to lose fat and get leaner while losing weight, but TA's approach is not it.
you're delusional Matt. You lost 15lbs and you think you lost muscle. You have self-image issues. How do you expect to get leaner without losing weight?
That's why I feel like shit about it. I think he was just fucking around because he likes to do that. Ultimately it's my fault though.
You just quit dieting after you lose 10-15lbs which isn't much weight at all, because you're afraid you're getting small. I've gone up 6lbs in a day, in water weight alone, without eating more than the day before. It's clear you are insecure. You always want to get leaner but then quit dieting early, because you're paranoid of muscle loss.
You just sound like a complete idiot talking about dieting.
You go ahead and try beer-only for three weeks. Abeles thinks it's ok.
So why would you not?
-Hedge
Read what Hedge and Camel Jockey said.
Maybe you're right about my being concerned for losing size. Not to annoy you with semantics, but I don't exactly classify as "insecure" by any standard psychological criteria. Muscle loss is a concern of mine though.
From around 200, I felt I should have been shredded at around 165. I am 180 now and don't think I am close to being 165 and shredded. From what I can tell, I am as fat as ever.
You just quit dieting after you lose 10-15lbs which isn't much weight at all, because you're afraid you're getting small. I've gone up 6lbs in a day, in water weight alone, without eating more than the day before. It's clear you are insecure. You always want to get leaner but then quit dieting early, because you're paranoid of muscle loss.
You just sound like a complete idiot talking about dieting.
he said you could get leaner doing that, he didn't say you'd preserve all of your muscle or that it's optimal.
in the older pic, adonis claimed he was approaching a 20 inch arm. the newer pic looks to be 15 1/2 - 16 at best. tell me you didnt lose an ounce of muscle... ::)
I didn`t lose an Ounce!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=96252.0;attach=103985;image)
:)
Not an Ounce!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=96252.0;attach=103986;image)
even easier to distinguish whether that weight is fat or muscle.
he said you could get leaner doing that, he didn't say you'd preserve all of your muscle or that it's optimal.
It works fine in energy as a calorie will ALWAYS be a calorie no matter what.
Most Dragsters are Alcohol powered.
I didn`t realize you were so ignorant Hedgehog and that everything had to be layed out for you. I guess I made the mistake of assuming you were smarter than your average 7th grader. You should have warned me.
if a calorie is just a calorie ,how about a only '' beer'' diet
That works just fine.
You wouldn`t, but you could survive on it.
I don`t recommend it at all.
How do you tell? On a caloric deficit, your strength is lower and your muscle are less full because your muscles are holding less glycogen and water.
15lbs of 200lbs where Matt started is only 7.5%, which I'm sure most was mostly water.
So how do you tell exactly?
If an all alcohol diet is not recommended, then doesn't that seem like a direct contradiction to the principles?
Bast, I've been dieting and my delts look slightly rounder and fuller. Now I know I haven't gained mass on a restricted diet, yet my muscles look the same in terms of size and are actually more detailed. That's how I know I haven't lost anything. If Matt feels like he's lost a sufficient amount of size, then he has every right to be concerned.
Matt if you have any questions regarding training, just PM me :) I just started training champions and no, I will never charge anyone a dime. :)
I may be slightly more conditioned, but not enough to offset that much weight loss. I'm not saying the principles were completely ineffective but they were definitely not the magic bullet TA said they were and definitely not better than anything conventional.
You will give Matt some coke to supress his appetite and to boost his metabolism. :D
Are you saying I am NOT training the eventual winner of this years Mr. Getbig?
Adonis recommends getting RDA; obviously an all alcohol diet would not provide this, although you would still get leaner as long as you are in a calorie deficit. TA knows you need protein to build muscle, just not 200+ grams per day.
Where did I say that? Someone actually told me that coke is good for weight loss, and hearing about your use, I added 2 and 2 together and made a lousy joke.
Your man's arm shot looks freaky. How's about some more pics to see what we are dealing with?
Try this: Eat one slice of white bread for one month. Then eat one slice of whole-grain bread for one month.
Much more nutrients in one of them. Guess which.
-Hedge
Adonis recommends getting RDA; obviously an all alcohol diet would not provide this, although you would still get leaner as long as you are in a calorie deficit. TA knows you need protein to build muscle, just not 200+ grams per day.
minimal difference. What are all the nutrients in wheat, that are not in white bread? Just a minimal difference of fiber.
I think a Carb/Fats/Protein macro balance of 50/30/20 or 55/30/15.
-Hedge
200+ grams of protein is extreme and I don't see that being recommended here.
I think a Carb/Fats/Protein macro balance of 50/30/20 or 55/30/15.
Which is pretty much what IOC and most sports science have found to be optimal.
I know others agree, some wants to go a little higher on protein, but essentially, 200+ grams isn't beneficial.
What Abeles misses when he recommends his Krispy Kreme and McDonald diet, is the need for a varied diet, based on sound food sources.
Abeles even went so far as to claim that processed food was better than unprocessed food.
Try this: Eat one slice of white bread for one month. Then eat one slice of whole-grain bread for one month.
Much more nutrients in one of them. Guess which.
It's good to know the amount of calories you're eating. But you also need to be eating healthy foods.
-Hedge
200+ grams of protein is extreme and I don't see that being recommended here.
I think a Carb/Fats/Protein macro balance of 50/30/20 or 55/30/15.
Which is pretty much what IOC and most sports science have found to be optimal.
I know others agree, some wants to go a little higher on protein, but essentially, 200+ grams isn't beneficial.
What Abeles misses when he recommends his Krispy Kreme and McDonald diet, is the need for a varied diet, based on sound food sources.
Abeles even went so far as to claim that processed food was better than unprocessed food.
Try this: Eat one slice of white bread for one month. Then eat one slice of whole-grain bread for one month.
Much more nutrients in one of them. Guess which.
It's good to know the amount of calories you're eating. But you also need to be eating healthy foods.
-Hedge
hedge your not being very clear. 200 grams might be enough for a smaller person, but not anyone with some height to them.
How gullable would you have to be to follow TA's principles - I think you just wanted a easy way out Matt. If it was that easy to get ripped don't you think everyone will be walking around with a 6 pack and spiderweb veins all over their arms, while holding a Kripsy Kremes donout. Nothing comes that easy.
I just look like a downsized version of myself...I think 15 or more pounds should result in looking a little leaner than I am should it have actually been done properly.
Question: if TA is right, why does virtually everyone in the industry do it differently?
www.essentialnutrition.org
So you are saying these Scientists are wrong and Muscletech is correct? You are an idiot. Why not read some real scientific journals? This is where all my info comes from.
Members of the Partnership for Essential Nutrition are:
Alliance for Aging Research
American Association of Diabetes Educators
American Council on Science and Health
American Institute for Cancer Research
American Obesity Association
Harvard Medical School
MedStar Research Institute
National Consumers League
National Women's Health Resource Center
Nutritional Sciences Program at the University of Washington
Pennington Biomedical Research Center
Shape Up America!
Society for Women's Health Research
University of California at Davis Department of Nutrition
UCLA Center for Human Nutrition
Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center
I haven't read all of this thread closely Matt - what was your training like during the time you altered your diet?
However, I will admit that I missed training legs for four weeks in a row during that time.
delusional
I think you're right. I wanted to believe it was that easy despite my better judgment. I figured it could both be easy and I could get results. I was dead wrong. Even my face is skinnier than it used to be. :-\
This is where you failed
why does virtually everyone in the industry do it differently?
note none of those sources involve athletes. he googled that up in a few minutes.Bodybuilders are not athletes and do not need more than a Sedentary person Nutrition wise as these studies suggest:
the lesson? the RDA guidelines are great if you're looking to weigh 170 pounds and live a slightly longer life, but if you plan on excelling at a sport of ANY type, look elsewhere.
A five day, Mon-Fri program where all body parts were hit once per week, with arms hit twice. Similar to the splits found here:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/5dayaweek.html
However, I will admit that I missed training legs for four weeks in a row during that time.
Bodybuilders are not athletes and do not need more than a Sedentary person Nutrition wise as these studies suggest:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/cabi/pns/1999/00000058/00000002/art00027
hey look, adam. i can google, too.
How Much Protein Do Athletes Need?
Lee Knight Caffery
A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.) However, it is important to note that there is little good evidence that the very high protein intakes (more than 2 grams per kilogram of body weight per day) typically consumed by strength athletes are beneficial. Moreover, it is possible to obtain this quantity of protein without special supplementation assuming a mixed diet containing sufficient energy is consumed.
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm
(1) Aronson, Virginia. (1989). Protein and Miscellaneous Ergogenic Aids. Physician and Sports Medicine, 14, 199-202.
(2) Clark, Nancy. (1991). How To Pack a Meatless Diet Full of Nutrients. Physician and Sports Medicine, 19, 31-34.
(3) Henderson, Doug. Nutrition and the Athlete. FDA Consumer, 21, 18-21.
(4) Houston, Michael. (1992) Protein and Amino Acid Needs of Athletes. Nutrition Today, 27, 36-38.
(5) Lemon, Peter. (1996). Is Increased Dietary Protein Necessary or Beneficial for Individuals with a Physically Active Lifestyle? Nutrition Reviews, 54, S169-S173.
(6) McCarthy, Paul. (1989). How Much Protein Do Athletes Really Need? Physician and Sports Medecine, 17, 173-175.
so... 2g of protein per kg of bodyweight. most people say 1g per pound of lean body weight. which is roughly the same.
survey says: you're an idiot. :D
I think you drank too much expensive wine tonight adonis
Read your own study loser:
However, it is important to note that there is little good evidence that the very high protein intakes (more than 2 grams per kilogram of body weight per day) typically consumed by strength athletes are beneficial. Moreover, it is possible to obtain this quantity of protein without special supplementation assuming a mixed diet containing sufficient energy is consumed.
i dropped 37 pounds, about 4+ inches off my stomach
Congratulations! You're still Fat.
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So you are saying these Scientists are wrong and Muscletech is correct? You are an idiot. Why not read some real scientific journals? This is where all my info comes from.
http://www.drugfreesport.com/choices/nutrition/protein.htmlYou don`t need to feed the fat on your ugly body more protein. You would be about 160 lbs or less lean. Hope this helps in determining your protein requirements. :)
Short duration high intensity sports. Research by Tarnopolsky et. al., 1992 showed that a moderately high protein intake of 1.4g/kg of body weight may be needed to keep the muscles of trained athletes in positive protein balance. Student athletes who restrict nutrient intake to lose weight for competition such as boxers, figure skaters, wrestlers, may have inadequate protein intake and this can be a limiting factor on performance (Murray and Horswill, 1997). Low intake of protein over a long period adversely affects muscle mass (Murray and Horswill, 1997).
shall we keep going?
Response from Josephine Conolly-Schoonen, MS, RD
Has over ten years of experience in Nutritrion, Dietetics, and Nutrition Education. She holds a faculty position in the Department of Family Medicine in the School of Medicine at the State University of New York-Stony Brook and has extensive experience as a national spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association.
A sedentary person, a marathoner, and a body builder of the same weight most certainly have different protein needs. Protein requirements depend upon factors including body weight, body composition, rate of growth, physical activity level, type of physical activity, adequacy of energy and carbohydrate intake, and illness or injury. Research clearly indicates that protein needs for athletes are greater than the recommended 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight recommended for sedentary people.
Endurance exercise alters protein metabolism and increases amino acid oxidation leading to increased protein needs. The increase in need is dependent upon the intensity and duration of the exercise, with higher intensity and longer bouts of exercise associated with increased protein needs. Research supports a range in protein needs from 1.2 to 1.4 grams of protein per kilogram body weight for endurance athletes such as marathoners.[1,2]
Individuals such as body builders, who are using resistance training to increase muscle mass, require a protein intake greater than that recommended for sedentary people. The protein needs for athletes trying to increase their muscle mass range from 1.4 to 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. This increased need for protein, however, is much less than what most of these athletes assume it to be. In addition, these increased needs are easily met through traditional food sources.
References
1. Carroll C. Protein and exercise. In: Rosenbloom C, ed. Sports Nutrition: A Guide for the Professional Working with Active People. 3rd ed. Chicago: The American Dietetic Association; 2000.
2. Lemon P. Is increased dietary protein necessary or beneficial for individuals with a physically active lifestyle? Nutrition Reviews. 1996;54:S169-S175.
3. Kleiner S. Bodybuilding. In: Rosenbloom C, ed. Sports Nutrition: A Guide for the Professional Working with Active People. 3rd ed. Chicago: The American Dietetic Association; 2000.
4. Chandler R, Byrne H, Patterson J, Ivy J. Dietary supplements affect the anabolic hormones after weight training exercise. J Appl Physiol. 1994;76:839-845.
5. Beals K, Manore M. Nutritional status of female athletes with subclinical eating disorders. J Am Diet Assoc. 1998;98:419-425.
dum de doo...
Zack you are not an athlete or a power lifter. You are a fat ass, who does 4 days a week in the gym.
You don`t need to eat like you are Lance Armstrong. Put down the food. Hope this helps.
Good link. What's your opinion of bodybuilding.com, Matt?
Carolinegresh: ZACH
Carolinegresh: YOU LOOK LIKE YOU STINK
Carolinegresh: DO YOU TAKE SHOWERS?
;DLets take a 77 KG man. (170 lbs)
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/nutrition/sport/protein.html#intake
The recommended protein intake for the American population is 0.8 g/kg/day (~0.4 g/lb/day). However, athletes may have different needs depending on the duration and intensity of exercise, and frequency of training. Strength training athletes need about 1.4-1.8 g/kg/day (~0.6-0.8 g/lb/day) and endurance runners need about 1.2-1.4 g/kg/day (~0.5-0.6 g/lb/day) due to the stress on muscle fibers during exercise. In general, the recommended protein intake for athletes ranges from 1.0-1.8 g/kg/day (~0.4-0.8 g/lb/day) depending on the energy expenditure and demand of the exercise.
Lets take a 77 KG man. (170 lbs)
1.0-1.8 g/kg in Protein is about 77-110 grams of protein, this is the suggested amount for Strength athletes.
Compare that with the RDA and RDI based on age and weight and you will see it is nearly the same.
Matt how many more diets will you quit early? 8-9?He doesn`t even read his own studies. hahah They all recommend within about 10-20 grams of the RDI,RDA.
what is recommended for homosexuals who still have 75lbs of fat to lose?
Lets take a 77 KG man. (170 lbs)
1.0-1.8 g/kg in Protein is about 77-110 grams of protein, this is the suggested amount for Strength athletes.
Compare that with the RDA and RDI based on age and weight and you will see it is nearly the same.
RDA is 0.8g/kg, which would be 61.6, which is between 15g and 48g under. or, to make it percentage, a difference of 24-78%.
haha maybe he needs more protein to heal the tears in his rectum?
and now that you two have resorted to the tired, tired old attacks... that means you have lost the ability to rationally defend yourselves and i am the victor. ;DYou aren`t the victor. You are still obese. Face it, you lost "The War on Obesity".
good day gentleman. :)
TA, why are you delusionalI didn`t make any gains other than about 2-3 lbs of muscle a year. It was all worthless. It is easy to think you are making gains as you see the scale and the weight you lift go up, but that in no way means you are gaining muscle.
you said many times that you made the best gains while being a fatass
discuss
I was a piglet.
But you know what.
I gained alot of muscle in a quick amount of time.
I reccomend becoming a piglet at least once to see what happens. I started at 135 lbs
What happens is, during Zach's weekend escapades, the penis friction inside Zach's buttocks causes hemoglobin loss which results in depletion of the luecine and glutamine amino acids. A power bottom of Zach's quality who can take a 9 inch + penis for up to 4 hours at a time has very demanding protein requirements.I guess a sexually active, gay male may need more protein due to the constant butt-thrusting and moaning. He probably has a protein shake beside his bed during his Anal games, provided, Bruce, his powerlifting spotter/boyfriend, does not knock it over when they rough-house.
I guess a sexually active, gay male may need more protein due to the constant butt-thrusting and moaning. He probably has a protein shake beside his bed during his Anal games, provided, Bruce, his powerlifting spotter/boyfriend, does not knock it over when they rough-house.
what is recommended for homosexuals who still have 75lbs of fat to lose?
What happens is, during Zach's weekend escapades, the penis friction inside Zach's buttocks causes hemoglobin loss which results in depletion of the luecine and glutamine amino acids. A power bottom of Zach's quality who can take a 9 inch + penis for up to 4 hours at a time has very demanding protein requirements.
I guess a sexually active, gay male may need more protein due to the constant butt-thrusting and moaning. He probably has a protein shake beside his bed during his Anal games, provided, Bruce, his powerlifting spotter/boyfriend, does not knock it over when they rough-house.
Bast, Abeles...
Guys, guys... you two seem very knowledgeable with gay sex terms.
Why is that?
-Hedge
I guess a sexually active, gay male may need more protein due to the constant butt-thrusting and moaning. He probably has a protein shake beside his bed during his Anal games, provided, Bruce, his powerlifting spotter/boyfriend, does not knock it over when they rough-house.
Technically it is...but Adam prefers the latter source...tells everyone the extra DNA helps regenerate worn tissues (specifically the sphincter).
TA is correct moreso correct on this protein thing.
LOL. You usually come across as intelligent, Matt. This confession/admission tends to belie that. Hope this is as far you go into the spiritual realm.
I wasn't intentionally following them, but I was subconsciously following them. For instance, I would calorie restrict due to being busy and so on and while I would previously catch myself and force myself to eat, I would let it slide thinking doing so would actually get me leaner (albeit smaller, but leaner).
Layne Norton recommends above 1 grams of protein per grams of bodyweight while dieting for the natural bodybuilder.
Some people might claim it is a lot, but Layne sure knows his shit, he's currently earning a Ph.D in protein metabolism or something (think he specializes on the amino acid Lucine).
Funny how nobody have made a comment regarding Layne Nortons advices on protein intake, which is 1g/per lb of bodyweight or more (especially while dieting).but...but....TA is walking around at 2%BF and has gained 8lbs of muscle all while in a constant caloric deficiet ::)....whatever.
Layne sure knows his shit (Ph.D. candidate in the area of protein synthesis, and an experienced BB), perhaps this is why certain pseudo scientists here won't comment on his recommendations ::)
LOL. You usually come across as intelligent, Matt. This confession/admission tends to belie that. Hope this is as far you go into the spiritual realm.
Abeles claims you can eat whatever you want.That is not possible to do and that is not what I advocate. I advocate getting the RDI, RDA.
Try this:
Get your caloric need by eating sucrose only for 30 days.
Then try a balanced, healthy diet, with various foods, also your caloric need. Also for 30 days.
Then report back the results.
Good luck.
-Hedge
Yes it will be.Did you not read the Studies I posted or what Whitecastle posted?
What annoys me is how TA is still proclaiming that he is being serious when behind his computer screen he is laughing. Then when somebody who is actually being doubted is telling the truth, I will be less likely to believe them after life experiences like this. He makes honest people look bad. He also makes real scientists look bad by proclaiming his data is backed by science when it is nothing of the sort.
My genetics are such where I lose mass of any kind very quickly, including muscle. I just feel I look like a smaller version of myself but with no added definition. I admit I can't tell exactly.
I followed the TA principles basically perfectly well.
Funny how nobody have made a comment regarding Layne Nortons advices on protein intake, which is 1g/per lb of bodyweight or more (especially while dieting).
Layne sure knows his shit (PhD candidate in nutritional science with a specialization in skeletal muscle protein metabolism at the University of Illinois , and an experienced BB), perhaps this is why certain pseudo scientists here won't comment on his recommendations ::)
TA, please comment on Layne Nortons recommendations, and why you believe he is wrong although he's a Ph.D candidate specializing in the protein metabolism area.
Did you not read the Studies I posted or what Whitecastle posted?
I NEVER make a judgement without scientific evidence. You on the other hand, are swayed by supplement companies and myths. The truth eludes you because you choose to be ignorant.
And you are laughing behind the computer screen right now. I think hurting others is a very insecure way to be entertained.
he specializes in metabolizing protein, LOL
rich creamy protein.
please read what I wrote above before you go back to your unhealthy diet and your bloated fatty physique.
TA, please comment on Layne Nortons recommendations, and why you believe he is wrong although he's a man of science.I don`t think he is wrong. He doesn`t say 1g per lb is a requirement. He has been wrong on a lot of things in the past and has changed his views which is a good thing. These things include: High Protein,(Now says more is meaningless and used to believe otherwise) Meal Frequency,(He now knows, like I do, that the number of meals is meaningless, more is not better), Overall Caloric intake is the most important thing and there is no such thing as a cheat meal or bad food.
And you are laughing behind the computer screen right now. I think hurting others is a very insecure way to be entertained.Please provide EVIDENCE, peer-reviewed journals or research studies, where I am wrong. If you cannot do that, then you should gag your mouth, tie yourself to a wooden cross, and have your training partner toss live grenades at your feet.
what is recommended for homosexuals who still have 75lbs of fat to lose?Ask your boyfriend to google,cut and paste ,,then send you a p.m of the answer..
I don`t think he is wrong. He doesn`t say 1g per lb is a requirement. He has been wrong on a lot of things in the past and has changed his views which is a good thing. These things include: High Protein,(Now says more is meaningless and used to believe otherwise) Meal Frequency,(He now knows, like I do, that the number of meals is meaningless, more is not better), Overall Caloric intake is the most important thing and there is no such thing as a cheat meal or bad food.
I do think he got into his area of study looking for a "golden egg" and came up VERY short as his body of work and area of expertise on Leucine is not significant at all, as it is applied, is meaningless and has already been thoroughly researched. He was searching for something that is not there and he will still be searching which is what any person of science would do.
I also have to question his motives as he takes Testosterone Boosters from Scivation, the company he whores around with, and appears in their ads, promoting the use of products that have no Scientific backing, never have been in a peer-reviewed journal and certainly do not work. You have to wonder about his validity at that point.
Lastly, I take what he says sometimes with a grain of salt, due to the fact he may be religious. He did attend a religiously backed school, ECKERD college. I suspect he is religious as his fiance` is. I have to question any religious person as they believe without evidence. If that is not the case, then I can take him more seriously.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome
Most of these statements are contradicted in this article: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne36.htmThat is the article I am referring to. That is an old one and he no longer subscribes to much of what he wrote in the Layne36 Precontest article. It is a few years old. Go to Muscular Development and read what he wrote this year and a few months ago and you will find that he totally contradicts what he wrote. There is nothing wrong with doing that. It is what all Intelligent people do. Science is ammendable.
He also wrote an article in a nutrition journal not that long ago where he concluded that certain foods ARE better than other foods (which was the topic of a thread posted here that you never wrote an answer to).
I agree that he does not say 1g/lb is a requirement, but he sure says that it's optimal.
His general expertice in protein metabolism is very relevant, as the body of knowledge needed to even start working on a Ph.D. is massive. At the same time, his lucine research does have direct and indirect links to knowledge very relevant for this discussion (and lucine is somewhat relevant itself).
This is not relevant to his expertice at all, the supplements are not illegal to use in the organizations he competes in, thus, you are attempting to discredit his integrity. Bad attempt.
Another attempt at discrediting him. Lots of people have gone to a religiously backed school (including myself, and I'm not religious at all), but this does not mean that he's religious.
His recommendations and articles do contradict your statements (even his recent ones), and his objectivity as a research scientist and decorated competitor does in my opinion makes him very able to give valid and educated advices.
You have still not given any real counterarguments to his statements and recommendations. (the simple point is that his views seriously contradicts yours.)
That is the article I am referring to. That is an old one and he no longer subscribes to much of what he wrote in the Layne36 Precontest article. It is a few years old. Go to Muscular Development and read what he wrote this year and a few months ago and you will find that he totally contradicts what he wrote. There is nothing wrong with doing that. It is what all Intelligent people do. Science is ammendable.
Do you have any links?Go to the Natural Section on MD.
Go to the Natural Section on MD.
There is a thread titled Layne Norton. Should be a sticky. Start reading the whole thing. You will find that he has changed his views, which is a good thing.
he totally contradicts what he wrote. There is nothing wrong with doing that.
what is recommended for homosexuals who still have 75lbs of fat to lose?Ask your Boyfriend (Apenis) to Google,Cut,Paste ..Then P.M. you the link..Although I'm pretty sure both (BASTurd,Apenis) have already done plenty of research on this matter ..
well what you "need" is one thing, how much you need is actually very little, how much is beneficial is much higher. As of now there are no studies indicating that anything higher than 2.2g/kg is beneficial (1g/lb) so I think 1g/lb is plenty, I eat slightly more just because I like the taste of meat myself.Yep. And he used to believe in HIGH PROTEIN. Good thing that Layne finally realized that. It is a shame that it took so long.
-Layne
;D
Well, that's my whole point: You claim eating 1 g/lb is a waste. Please elaborate on this.Where did I claim that?
I like the taste of meat myself.
-Layne
you are the True believer, cowed by years of reading Flex magazine.
Interesting, yet, I've seen some posts where you've written things that makes me question the congruency of your statement (seen against your Adonis principles). (Again, if I'm wrong, I'll give you my apology)1. Get the RDA, RDI on average.
Anyway, I'll leave the "Adonis post scanning" to Hedgehog, if there is actually inconsistencies here, I'm sure he'll find it.
So, in other words: Somebody eating 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight is in your opinion eating a good diet for BBing and optimal health? (given that the amounts of total calories, carbs and healthy fats are balanced).
I know the info in FLEX works for me, so I'm going to apply it, ok?
Yep. And he used to believe in HIGH PROTEIN. Good thing that Layne finally realized that. It is a shame that it took so long.
Interesting, yet, I've seen some posts where you've written things that makes me question the congruency of your statement (seen against your Adonis principles). (Again, if I'm wrong, I'll give you my apology)
Anyway, I'll leave the "Adonis post scanning" to Hedgehog, if there is actually inconsistencies here, I'm sure he'll find it.
So, in other words: Somebody eating 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight is in your opinion eating a good diet for BBing and optimal health? (given that the amounts of total calories, carbs and healthy fats are balanced).
What are you on about? It's clear as a day that Norton still believes in a high protein diet.You thought otherwise which is unfortunate.
200 grams of protein, or 150 grams of protein daily, is high protein.
If you thought otherwise, it's unfortunate.
But luckily, now you know.
A traditional macro balance recommendation would be 60C/30F/10P. And for an athlete, it may be 60C/25F/15P, or 55C/30F/15P, a little depending on what sport you're in.
A 50C/30F/20P, is definitely high protein, and if you're on a 3000 calorie diet, that means 150 grams.
-Hedge
You thought otherwise which is unfortunate.
Go ahead and waste your time with your Macro balance. It won`t help keep you from looking the same as you did last year and the year before that.
Post pictures from each year so we all can see what I mean.
The fact is, you have been wasting your time and look the same, which is a bit on the obese side, year after year.
Yep. And he used to believe in HIGH PROTEIN. Good thing that Layne finally realized that. It is a shame that it took so long.
if a calorie is just a calorie ,how about a only '' beer'' diet
That works just fine.
You wouldn`t, but you could survive on it.
I don`t recommend it at all.
I like this quote:As a pedantic aside. What publication spells per ce, persay? I'll go out on a limb and say it's not NEJM.
2. shakes are not 'needed' persay but there is also no reason to cut them out
Here is why his article is MEANINGLESS:
Why did he then write this March 22nd, 2007?
you sound like a monster man. My best reply to this would be to check out my precontest article http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne36.htm my whole philosophy is in there. If you still have questions after reading that please let me know!
And then: March 29th, 2007
Irish, I would check out my article here http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne36.htm it was written as a precontest prep article but will work great for anyone wanting to drop bodyfat
Does not seem like he moves away from what he wrote in that article ::)
And is a calorie really a calorie?
http://www.intelligentdesignmagazine.com/issues/current/IntelligentDESIGN_Spring_2007.pdf
As a pedantic aside. What publication spells per ce, persay? I'll go out on a limb and say it's not NEJM.No idea. Layne wrote that. haha
Agree with you on that, and I also agree that calories are the determining factor, yet, believing that the macronutrient configuration has no effect without trying some careful experiments on oneself is a bit of a stretch.
Right now I'm using a 25p/25f/50%c configuration, and I will change the protein down to 20% (and eventually even lower) while keeping carbs at 55% (and eventually higher) as an experiment to see how this influences my daily energy levels. (I probably determine my macronutrient configuration more from what kinds of foods I like (salmon, chicken) than from some kind of nutritional philosophy anyway. Life is to short to suffer).
The most important thing in my opinion is that natural BBs should be careful about losing weight to fast. 1 lb per week is plenty in my opinion.
My goals are to be 200-210 in the same condition I'm in now and with a chest. :) Where I'm from it's kind of hard to be any leaner during the winter when it gets to -40.
why gain anymore weight? you won't gain muscle any faster, you'll just be fatter.
In general that is true, but I've already been at 200 in the same condition so it's more a matter of gaining muscle back that I already had.
So you're saying you lost 20lbs of muscle? You lost no fat or water? ::)
What is my body fat right now? Maybe 12-14% of somewhere in there? I would say I lost muscle in exact accordance with those figures. Meaning that 12-14% of what I lost was fat, some was water, and the rest was muscle. Over 10 pounds of muscle lost? Sure, I don't see why not.
What is my body fat right now? Maybe 12-14% of somewhere in there? I would say I lost muscle in exact accordance with those figures. Meaning that 12-14% of what I lost was fat, some was water, and the rest was muscle. Over 10 pounds of muscle lost? Sure, I don't see why not.
if you were at 200lbs and 12% you were probably the best developed natural bodybuilder in the world. You had more muscle then Zane did in contest shape.
please take a second to think
if you were at 200lbs and 12% you were probably the best developed natural bodybuilder in the world. You had more muscle then Zane did in contest shape.
please take a second to think
What is my body fat right now? Maybe 12-14% of somewhere in there? I would say I lost muscle in exact accordance with those figures. Meaning that 12-14% of what I lost was fat, some was water, and the rest was muscle. Over 10 pounds of muscle lost? Sure, I don't see why not.
ok ok...
16% ;D
Why do you guys think a lifetime natty under 6 feet can't be over 200 pounds lean(sub 6%) anyway?
because I have never seen any even close to that
Doesn't mean it is impossible. Like I said earlier, my buddy joined here and is going to enter the Getbig contest. He will win it easily, it will be a joke actually comparing him to the other guys, but once and for all this "myth" will be shattered. He will be over 200 at 5'11, between 4 and 6%. It may be rare, but it is far from impossible.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152296.0
right he weighs 17 pounds more than Zane at the same height, and he's natural
right he weighs 17 pounds more than Zane at the same height, and he's natural
You thought otherwise which is unfortunate.
Go ahead and waste your time with your Macro balance. It won`t help keep you from looking the same as you did last year and the year before that.
Post pictures from each year so we all can see what I mean.
The fact is, you have been wasting your time and look the same, which is a bit on the obese side, year after year.
Yep. And he used to believe in HIGH PROTEIN. Good thing that Layne finally realized that. It is a shame that it took so long.
if a calorie is just a calorie ,how about a only '' beer'' diet
That works just fine.
You wouldn`t, but you could survive on it.
I don`t recommend it at all.
Doesn't mean it is impossible. Like I said earlier, my buddy joined here and is going to enter the Getbig contest. He will win it easily, it will be a joke actually comparing him to the other guys, but once and for all this "myth" will be shattered. He will be over 200 at 5'11, between 4 and 6%. It may be rare, but it is far from impossible.anus won't even make the top 5 or compete he knows he is going to lose big time.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152296.0
post a pic and your height
I doubt that you would be over 155 in contest shape (unless you are over 6'0" you would probably weigh less).
I think I could be 165 in contest shape. I am Jay Cutler's height.
One week after resuming my regular diet:
Do you realize how wrong that picture is?? ;D ;D
Are you suggesting that posting a greasy picture of myself posing in my underwear isn't the most heterosexual thing I can do? :-X
Are you suggesting that posting a greasy picture of myself posing in my underwear isn't the most heterosexual thing I can do? :-XNo difference...
One week after resuming my regular diet:
What happened to True Adonis's all McDonald's diet that was supposed to happen this year. I thought there was supposed to be pics, videos, & reciepts. I guess that was bullshit huh?I ate a box of oreos yesterday and i have vains in my abs...
I was a piglet.
But you know what.
I gained alot of muscle in a quick amount of time.
I reccomend becoming a piglet at least once to see what happens. I started at 135 lbs
One week after resuming my regular diet:
Why did you exactly follow TA's principles when they went against every bbing diet norm?
I trusted TA when I shouldn't have. I'm not even going to justify my reasons for following his principles. The way I see it, we are all entitled to make mistakes every now and then and I will live and learn.
I am curious...what were you hoping to accomplish on the TA concentration camp diet?
LOLOLOL.
Apparently maintaining 100% of my muscle mass and solely losing fat and water weight. TA continually claimed his diet was 100% anti-catabolic.
LOLOLOL.
Apparently maintaining 100% of my muscle mass and solely losing fat and water weight. TA continually claimed his diet was 100% anti-catabolic.
you still have no reason to think that you lost muscle except for your womanly anxiety
Maybe you already said this, but how long did you follow TA's principles?
Basically in April and May. But also a little before and a little after.You didn`t follow shit. I never once instructed you. Stop claiming something you never took part in.
You didn`t follow shit. I never once instructed you. Stop claiming something you never took part in.
The TA principles have been heavily discussed on posts here on getbig. No you did not instruct me, but I did learn the principles through reading many of your posts here. If I were to post my pictures during my TA program, it would embarrass both of us. :-\You didn`t follow my advice one bit.
I looked softer and smaller...it would appear that I lost muscle. Even if I did just lose fat and water the point is that I looked worse.
Clip of me from today:
This may be why my chest never developed as it should have.
Matt, how many dbols are you taking right now? LOL don't act like you don't know
You didn`t follow my advice one bit.
Post the pictures. You will destroy yourself because you will look the same. You must have something to hide, since you won`t post these very pics.
LOL!!!You look EXACTLY the same. One you are flexing, one you are not. Your abdominal region looks the same especially.
The pictures below cannot just be explained due to the pump, lightning, shaving, angle, posing, picture quality, etc. That plays a role obviously, but I assure you that the difference between myself now and while I was using the TA principles are night and day. Discuss...
You look EXACTLY the same. One you are flexing, one you are not. Your abdominal region looks the same especially.
Matt,
You definitely look better in the second pic, though your legs need a big more mass. Your traps need some more development: do you DL or PC? Otherwise great job, looking good!
Yeah, my abs and legs are the same. But I have improved in other areas, albeit only slightly now.This one looks better.
I don't think anything will convince you...I will post a 200+ pound version of the same picture when I am done bulking in the traditional way which has consistently worked for me since I began bodybuilding.
I also think you looked best in this picture (outstanding physique!!):
LOL!!!You little weasel! LOL, I think you're at 20-30mg
This one looks better.
You little weasel! LOL, I think you're at 20-30mg
TA principles this and that... the difference between the pics is the dbol
Thanks! Yes I do DL in fact...here is a clip:
That is the maximum lift I have recorded on youtube but at my peak I was capable of mid 400s with the same form. Not the best form ever, but I got it up and to me that is the most important part of a deadlift.
I can't say I have ever tried PCs! Do you recommend them?
That's a damn fine DL for someone your weight (I'm guessing under 200 lbs?).
PCs are great for explosive strength, but also for developing trap mass, though you have to stick with high rep sets to get the mass-building effects of the exercise. In the off season I like heavy rack pulls for a change of pace but also to help bring the DL poundage up. You could try those too if you haven't already. But like I said, very impressive pull for someone of your weight, over 2X bodyweight.
that deadlift is almost a stiff-legged one.. dude, work on your legs!
Yes, but I got it up. ;D
I've seen guys do 600+ pound deadlifts with the same form and usually someone will say the form sucks, but I sure as hell couldn't lift that much with good form or otherwise. But you are right, the form is not great and my legs need work. I like deadlifts, but I really don't like doing squats. Then again, I used to hate deadlifts too and got to like them.
Don't be a pussy, Matt. Hit the squats......
Yes, but they suck...I like to think of the 10 prettiest girls I know rooting me on when I do them...naked of course. ;D
Of course they suck. That's why they work.....Leg Press works better.
The true adonis isrightwrong!
lol.
I was refering to the nutrition, i am of the same opinion, i believe in a more balanced diet, with moderate protien, low fat and moderate carbs from good sources (mainly oatmeal and some sugars when i feel i need them).
I have tried high protien i dislike it on all levels, i dont feel good on it, it feels unatural and unhealthy to have so much protien, and bottomline i hate eating so much protien so i dont do it.
Yes, what you said is definitely accurate. I'm not saying I don't agree with TA at all. He definitely brings up good points. I'm just saying he isn't right 100% of the time - for example, dieting and preserving 100% of your muscle mass? That's pretty unrealistic IMO.
Are you suggesting that posting a greasy picture of myself posing in my underwear isn't the most heterosexual thing I can do? :-XLOL. Don't let it be said on Getbig that Matt C doesn't have a sense of humour.
Are you wearing Airwalks?Is this guy like 5'2 or something? Hahahah or do the lockers just give that illusion.
Is this guy like 5'2 or something? Hahahah or do the lockers just give that illusion.
matt i cant believe you took the true adonis word's seriously
all the while i thought everyone knew he was playing
honest question...how tall are you? I don't think I ever heard it mentioned or I forgot it.
jesus H, its like flies on shit with you and topics of height
LOL
I know now...I guess I only lost two or so months of potential progress and as a natural that doesn't equate to much.
Really? LOL. From Woten:
My height depends on the time of day! I wake up in the morning over a little over 5'9 but we all tend to shrink a little as the day goes on but I am always over 5'8.5 so I just say 5'9. The same height as Jay Cutler, Victor Martinez, and Ron Harris. ;D
I would say that you would weigh less than 150lbs in contest shape. If you ever have the persistance to stick with a diet you will see that I am correct.
This seems like a harsh reality, but the truth is you would look a lot MORE muscular at that weight. The only sacrifice you would have to make is the fantasy that you are a 200lb bodybuilder.
I would say that you would weigh less than 150lbs in contest shape. If you ever have the persistance to stick with a diet you will see that I am correct.
This seems like a harsh reality, but the truth is you would look a lot MORE muscular at that weight. The only sacrifice you would have to make is the fantasy that you are a 200lb bodybuilder.
LMAO you are delusional
the only way MAtt wuold be less than 150 lbs is if you wuold cut one of his legs off
This one looks better.
LMAO you are delusionalWhat? 150 pounds is actually pretty big at his height. Look at whateva.
the only way MAtt wuold be less than 150 lbs is if you wuold cut one of his legs off
What? 150 pounds is actually pretty big at his height. Look at whateva.
these people are all living a lie. overeating their way to mid-life heart attacks all the while convinced that they are building muscle.5'9 150 i believe.... or he could have been 160. Regardless he wasn't even all the way leaned out if im not mistaken.
what were whateva's stats in the last mr. getbig?
the delts are looking large as usual Matt, to be honest with you it doesn't look like the Adonis diet hurt you too much, i think you're like a lot of guys including me in that you are paranoid about "losing size", doesn't look like you lost anything.He didn't lose an ounce. Eating like you want is almost like a pendelum for me atleast. Some weeks im eating ice cream and cake and others im dieting with both and some im all "clean".
I'll make more detailed comments later but I am using SIZEON and SuperPump250 right now and I'll update how that goes for me.Gaspari's shit is expensive, do you think it's worth the money?
Gaspari's shit is expensive, do you think it's worth the money?
I'll make more detailed comments later but I am using SIZEON and SuperPump250 right now and I'll update how that goes for me.Man matt.... sizeone, superpump, gangstah test, whatever this crap is that you use isn't going to make you a 200 pound beast. You are 5'9 so being realistic you natural potential would be maxed out at around 160 if you were to lean out all the way.
What? 150 pounds is actually pretty big at his height. Look at whateva.
I tought whateva was shorternahh he is 5'9. Brian whitaker is also 5'10, probably more like 5'9 and 160 and he looks pretty good here.
nahh he is 5'9. Brian whitaker is also 5'10, probably more like 5'9 and 160 and he looks pretty good here.
Gaspari's shit is expensive, do you think it's worth the money?It's got dbol in it...didn't ya know???
wow you are right he looks awesomeIndeed... alot of people don't realize that 160 can be big too. He may look tiny in clothes but he will be shredded with out a shirt. It's not all about looking big in clothes and being strong. When we say that someone who is natural would be 150 lean it's not a bad thing. Hell, if i were to go all the way down id be 145 and im 5'11.
Indeed... alot of people don't realize that 160 can be big too. He may look tiny in clothes but he will be shredded with out a shirt. It's not all about looking big in clothes and being strong. When we say that someone who is natural would be 150 lean it's not a bad thing. Hell, if i were to go all the way down id be 145 and im 5'11.
Yea I've seen that dude on another forum. He actually dieted on 2700 calories or so, which I didn't understand. He must have done a lot of cardio?Wow hahahah that is pretty insane. He probably used some ephedra (don't know if thats allowed in the OCB) amd did cardio on top of it. JRod however does absolutly no cardio... solid weights and diet. I'd be intrested to see what he cuts on. I know he lurks on this forum sometimes.
Steroids are something that if you are not careful with can really destroy your physique. Alot of guys do infact look better natural then they do juiced.
I think MOST guys look better natural actually.Indeed, It is easier to throw off your proportions with drugs since muscle grows quicker. That paired with water retention and making it harder to get leaner makes it difficult to retain aesthetics.
Indeed, It is easier to throw off your proportions with drugs since muscle grows quicker. That paired with water retention and making it harder to get leaner makes it difficult to retain aesthetics.
Matt is dumber than a second coat of paint.
Wow hahahah that is pretty insane. He probably used some ephedra (don't know if thats allowed in the OCB) amd did cardio on top of it. JRod however does absolutly no cardio... solid weights and diet. I'd be intrested to see what he cuts on. I know he lurks on this forum sometimes.
These are the supplements I took while dieting and take now that its offseason:
creatine, glutamine, whey protein powder, dextrose, caffeine (i get this from either coffee or an energy supplement. I take caffeine for energy purposes, not so much for losing fat).
Here's what my basic diet was like getting ready for the Team Universe:
Meal#1 - Breakfast: Rice cakes or cream of wheat and Protein powder or egg whites.
(i workout 1.5-2 hours after breakfast)
pre workout shake(while warming up): dextrose and protein powder (with creatine and glutamine)
post workout shake (immediately after training): dextrose and protein powder (with creatine and glutamine)
25 min post workout: dextrose and protein powder
Meal#2 - 1 hour post workout: rice cakes and egg whites
Meal#3 - 2.5 hours post workout: rice cakes and egg whites
Meals#4-7-every 2 hours after meal3: oatmeal or brocolli and protein powder or egg whites (or canned tuna a once in a while).
The difference in my diet in week 8, 7, 5, 3, or whatever, was the amount of calories. I did not eat anything different, just less as the weeks went by. In reducing calories, i started by reducing from out to in (meaning i reduced calories near workout time last, starting by reducing calories from my later meals, then breakfast, then post workout meals, then post workout shakes very little).
So Bug.....what is your daily average intake?anywhere from 2000-6000 right now hahah i look like shit but i was motivated to lean out again from the new pictures i found of whitacre on the ocb site. Check these out. Think they were a few weeks out. Notice how he is probably 20 pounds heavier in these and still ripped. The final product is not due to muscle loss but the loss of fluid and fat imbedded imbetween muscle.
heres jrods dietThx affy.. As for the pictures below that cut was from 200 down to 160 i believe. People do not realize how much fat they have on their bodies.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=101414.msg1592903#msg1592903
he goes on to say he never cheats
I guess that's a fair statement to make considering I followed TA's principles for two months, but there isn't a single member on this board who considers me to be less intelligent than you, so what does that say about yourself? :-\It's not a matter of intelligence but a matter of being gullible. You are so afraid of losing muscle you are unwilling to listen to logic.
that guy looks fucking greatYeah... it's pretty insane. I'd even be willing to say this guy is sharper then munzer. I would kill to be able to get into that kind of condition for a show. Adding steroids to the equation complicates things.
anywhere from 2000-6000 right now hahah i look like shit but i was motivated to lean out again from the new pictures i found of whitacre on the ocb site. Check these out. Think they were a few weeks out. Notice how he is probably 20 pounds heavier in these and still ripped. The final product is not due to muscle loss but the loss of fluid and fat imbedded imbetween muscle.
The final product is not due to muscle loss but the loss of fluid and fat imbedded imbetween muscle.
fuck TA. he's only fucking with your minds to win mr getbig..I dieted down on "junk" before. High protien is not the only way to go. If you weren't so closed minded and tried things once in a while you would see.
high protein diet is the only way to go for a bb'er
cant belive you fell for it matt
Ok....so, I made a post in another thread assuming that you ate 1500 per day. Care to take on a challenge to go with your statement that the time between meals doesnt mean anything?I will accept your challenge but it will be in a few months....
I dieted down on "junk" before. High protien is not the only way to go. If you weren't so closed minded and tried things once in a while you would see.shut up
shut upMuscle size is not dependent on protien intake. You are delusional.
ofc you can diet on junk aslong as your totall energy intake is lower than your consumption
but you will lose muscles on it since the protein intake will be way low with such a diet.
Muscle size is not dependent on protien intake. You are delusional.i belive you need a high protein intake when cutting not to lose muscle.
shut up
ofc you can diet on junk aslong as your totall energy intake is lower than your consumption
but you will lose muscles on it since the protein intake will be way low with such a diet.
i belive you need a high protein intake when cutting not to lose muscle.It's been proven in studies. You are listening to myth and lore instead of logic. 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is more then enough and the thermogenic effect of high protien is miniscule.
guess im delusional then ::)
these people have the demeanor of violent retards.Hahahah yes, notice i said nothing to insult him and he comes back rude. It's like i just told him he is going to hell for being catholic or something. You would think i just totally offended his way of life.
i belive you need a high protein intake when cutting not to lose muscle.
guess im delusional then ::)
Hahahah yes, notice i said nothing to insult him and he comes back rude. It's like i just told him he is going to hell for being catholic or something. You would think i just totally offended his way of life.
It's been proven in studies. You are listening to myth and lore instead of logic. 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is more then enough and the thermogenic effect of high protien is miniscule.
That is fine and dandy.Believe it or not that is feasible. Just because it is the general consensus doesn't make it is right. Do you vote for someone in a presedential election because they are the most popular? Infact 9 times out of 10 it is the majority that is wrong. A mcdonalds diet consisting ofr 4 meals a day with cardio and weights could be done. What does that enough up being? About like 2200 cals a day with 100 grams of protien?
Most people on this board agree, and the general consensus among sport nutritionists is that such protein intake is optimal.
FWIW, it's even considered high protein.
Where Abeles gets it all wrong, is when he thinks it is possible "to eat whatever you want".
Abeles claimed he was gonna get on a strictly McDonald's diet for 6-8 months straight, dunno what happened to that? 8)
-Hedge
Believe it or not that is feasible. Just because it is the general consensus doesn't make it is right. Do you vote for someone in a presedential election because they are the most popular? Infact 9 times out of 10 it is the majority that is wrong. A mcdonalds diet consisting ofr 4 meals a day with cardio and weights could be done. What does that enough up being? About like 2200 cals a day with 100 grams of protien?
the only thing I would worry about is fiber.You could get fiber from a pill.
Is there anything on the menu with a decent amount of fiber?
You could get fiber from a pill.
yeah but then you wouldn't be doing the experiment...remember no supps.No, and when i tried the powders there was still no difference. I guess if you were desperate enough to make a weight class you might want to use them.
BTW have you tried fiber pills? Good alternative to whole foods?
I will accept your challenge but it will be in a few months....
Why in a few months? If this is all too easy, you should be able to do this now. Right?Because im testing another theory i have from about next week on into the end of august so if i do test it then it will be around september.
Also....do you honestly think you can achieve the conditioning that Brian does eating the way Adam suggests? You should write to Brian and ask how he attained that conditioning....also ask him to comment on your eating plan. If you guys admire him as you appear to, then you should then have no problem with what he says.
fuck TA. he's only fucking with your minds to win mr getbig..
high protein diet is the only way to go for a bb'er
cant belive you fell for it matt
It's not a matter of intelligence but a matter of being gullible. You are so afraid of losing muscle you are unwilling to listen to logic.
I guess I took a liking to TA since he had some interesting things to say and thought he had enough respect for me not to fuck with me. He could have messaged me privately and told me not to follow his principles but he had no problem letting me carry on with them. He might be the kind of person who doesn't care who he hurts.Did you not look at the Brian Whitacre pictures i posted? The guy has striations when he weighs 180 pounds but isn't in good shape till he gets into the low 170's. You didn't lose any muscle. I gained 12 pounds in one day. Do you think any of that was muscle? No... If you enjoy carrying around 30-40 pounds of unneccesary fat then be my guest. The point im trying to prove is just because you look smaller in clothes doesn't mean you lost any muscle. You may fool you average joe but you certainly are not fooling anyone on a bodybuilding site.
Yes and yes. But I don't think anyone who saw me in person would say that I looked more muscular when I was lighter. Truth is, conventional bulking works for me. Also, I will not be gaining 20 pounds of brand new muscle - any muscle of that 20 pounds of mass that I gain will be old muscle that I am gaining back again.
Check out the pictures below from 2004. Literally just a few months and 25-30 pounds apart. There is no way in hell all that I gained in the after picture was just fat. I am bigger AND leaner in the after picture. And when I hit 200 I will be bigger and leaner than I am now too.
Did you not look at the Brian Whitacre pictures i posted? The guy has striations when he weighs 180 pounds but isn't in good shape till he gets into the low 170's. You didn't lose any muscle. I gained 12 pounds in one day. Do you think any of that was muscle? No... If you enjoy carrying around 30-40 pounds of unneccesary fat then be my guest. The point im trying to prove is just because you look smaller in clothes doesn't mean you lost any muscle. You may fool you average joe but you certainly are not fooling anyone on a bodybuilding site.
pobrecito - my biceps are short. They are kind of like Kamali's where I have the worst of both worlds: my biceps are both short and lack peak. My wingspan is 5'10.
Here is another comparison. These pictures were taken 90 days apart and more proof that I was both bigger and leaner when I put on over 25 pounds in that time:
The_Leafy_Bug - my body burns muscle very efficiently. I don't see how any objective critic would disagree that I look both bigger and leaner in the heavier pictures. I don't mind being over 200 pounds in the condition my body naturally tends to.Muscle is an inefficient fuel source. There is something your not telling us. Did you stop working out in the period you were cutting on junk? I have cut using the same principles and have no lost an ounce of muscle.
Muscle is an inefficient fuel source. There is something your not telling us. Did you stop working out in the period you were cutting on junk? I have cut using the same principles and have no lost an ounce of muscle.
Somebody please explain to me how everyday naturals now have shredded glutes, yet before the 1990s, professional bodybuilders using drugs galore, could not achieve that condition?
Isn't it possible that certain people respond differently to some things? The one confounding variable is that I am now using supplements to bulk up and as much as some on here want to deny the effectiveness of creatine, it IS effective. And don't say SIZEON doesn't work incredibly well until you try it. As a matter of fact, I will be bringing it to the chemistry lab of my university to see if it is spiked with something hormonal.I can tell you right now there is something suspicious with alot of Gasparis products. As for your size difference, you can do an experiment unless you keep everything the same. You can add different variables. All i know is there is something you aren't telling us.
Not sure exactly. Advances in dieting?
Somebody please explain to me how everyday naturals now have shredded glutes, yet before the 1990s, professional bodybuilders using drugs galore, could not achieve that condition?
I guess that's a fair statement to make considering I followed TA's principles for two months, but there isn't a single member on this board who considers me to be less intelligent than you, so what does that say about yourself? :-\
That is fine and dandy.
Most people on this board agree, and the general consensus among sport nutritionists is that such protein intake is optimal.
FWIW, it's even considered high protein.
Where Abeles gets it all wrong, is when he thinks it is possible "to eat whatever you want".
Abeles claimed he was gonna get on a strictly McDonald's diet for 6-8 months straight, dunno what happened to that? 8)
-Hedge
I think Adonis doesn't seem to realize the adverse affects of his own diet principles. I mean bulked up he looked pretty big, but when cut he seemed to lose quite a bit of muscle. Same has happened with daddywaddy. Calorie is a calorie and you can cut on reduced calories.. But to say protein is insignificant is stupid and goes against every sports nutrition norm.Wow... you havent read a damn thing. You are like a lost child who wanders into a movie theatre and wants to know about the plot. I don't have the energy to reexplain everything to you.
Wow... you havent read a damn thing. You are like a lost child who wanders into a movie theatre and wants to know about the plot. I don't have the energy to reexplain everything to you.
I think I can handle "30-40 pounds of unnecessary fat" if that means being over 200 pounds at 5'9 with striations in my delts and split biceps. In that state, I'm not fat by any stretch of the imagination and actually carry a fair amount of size and am much stronger to boot.
Oh no.. What happened? Did me insulting your hero touch a nerve? ;D
Oh no.. What happened? Did me insulting your hero touch a nerve? ;DNo, your ignorance touched a nerve.
This is pathetic you're sacrificing your health just so you can obfuscate your lack of muscle with a layer of fat.
why don't you just come to grips with your lack of size and slowly build up lean mass. Choosing to maintain denial over health is a sure sign that you need therapy.
no he was exasperated by your idiocy
I can sympathize
No, your ignorance touched a nerve.
Being 16 - 18% bf does not pose a health risk for young healthy people.
first Matt is well over that
second it is much healthier to eat less, you will extend your lifespan by 20% or more.
He and his idol have no proof.. I mean Adonis even resorted to attacking Layne Norton when someone pointed our his recommendation of one gram of protein per pound of body weight. Saying Norton is invalid because he's religious.Wow... you didnt even read that thread. If you had read it you would know i only did 800 cals for a few days and thats because i was running out of time. Thank you for outting yourself as a clown.
And I posted a lot at the start of this topic.
Same idiot who says he gained on 800 calories a day. You're the idiot.
Wow... you didnt even read that thread. If you had read it you would know i only did 800 cals for a few days and thats because i was running out of time. Thank you for outting yourself as a clown.
I was partially wrong about Adonis.
He's way to inconsistent in his ways to be credible, and his knowledge of science is not that great in many cases. He never backs up his claims either.
The way he tried to attack Layne Norton after using him for validation was pathetic, Layne can run circles around Adonis both in scientific knowledge and physiquewise.
I bet he is trying to play a hoax.
Yeah.. He dares to attack someone with a PhD when he's nothing more than a Google clown.It's simple logic... here tell me this and ill decide if i want to pursue this argument. Do you believe in evolution?
I dare to someone cut on vodka and cardboard.. They both have calories. Good look holding onto your size and gains. ::)
Hedge already pointed out the many fallacies in his garbage 'principles' earlier in the topic, yet many of his nuthuggers are still clinging to his nuts like he's a god or something.
That's speculation.
It's simple logic... here tell me this and ill decide if i want to pursue this argument. Do you believe in evolution?
It's simple logic... here tell me this and ill decide if i want to pursue this argument. Do you believe in evolution?
Your choice of words here made me laugh ;D
so this simple logic says that eating 100 calories of chicken and 100 calories of cardboard is the same?Answer me this power rod. Which weighs more? A pound of feathers or a pound of bricks.
By his reasoning, the residents of Darfur should outlive most of us. ;DAmerica has one ofthe lowest averages for length of life lived out of any western country.... i think its pretty safe to say eating more doesn't = a longer and healthier lived life considering 60% of this country is obese.
America has one ofthe lowest averages for length of life lived out of any western country.... i think its pretty safe to say eating more doesn't = a longer and healthier lived life considering 60% of this country is obese.
I mean bulked up he looked pretty big, but when cut he seemed to lose quite a bit of muscle.
Due to gorging and excessive calorie intake. That's an obvious problem.Mice fed lower calorie diets live 30% longer then rats fed normal diets. It is the only way to slow down the aging process. Brian Whitacre is the perfect example. The guy is almost 30 and looks 16.
shiftedshapes claimed that Matt was shortening his lifespan. ::)
Your reasoning is not applicable to athletes, because the issue being discussed is calorie intake only, not along with obesity.You are not thinking this through. As long as they are burning what is used i don't think it would be any different then eating less although i haven't seen a study that covered that. Eating less has been proven in mice to make them live longer.
Given that a person stays in good shape throughout his life, and maintains a 9 - 13% bf, do you think an average calorie intake of 3000 calories will shorten his life, compared to an average intake of 2000, given that this person can maintan more muscle and be more active + live a better life with 3000 cals a day? (as the person ages, the calorie amount will be reduced)
According to "shiftedShapes", taking in up to 4000 calories a day for an athlete to cover energy expenditure will shorten this athletes lifespan.. ::)
Mice fed lower calorie diets live 30% longer then rats fed normal diets. It is the only way to slow down the aging process. Brian Whitacre is the perfect example. The guy is almost 30 and looks 16.
Once again.....have you seen his diet? If you did you would see that it debunks your theory and opinion that meal frequency does not matter.We aren't discussing meal frequency right now. We are discussing that cutting on mcdonalds is just as muscle sparing as cutting on oatmeal and chicken.
Brian Whitacre is the perfect example. The guy is almost 30 and looks 16.
Once again.....have you seen his diet? If you did you would see that it debunks your theory and opinion that meal frequency does not matter.I am sure he cuts on oatmeal and chicken and everything else clean. I know for a fact because i have read his thread on the OCB board.
I am thinking it through, by questioning the holes in your statements.
That's the point. The excess calories probably shortens lifespan partially because it leads to weightgain and the unhealthy reactions to obesity.
More food = more total insulin is made in the body. Insulin can speed up the cells "replication", thus, speeding aging.
I agree with you that bulking up and down all the time, fattening up like a cow can unhealthy.
But using a few studies on mice and using it to back up a statement such as "MattT is playing with his life" is just plane stupidity. For example: Do you know the different bodycompositions of the 2 mice groups? What about the mice's blood chemistry? Did they find specific chemical indicators in the body that somehow indicated why the low calorie mice lived longer?
Using a study like this without having all details on the table is pushing it. And transfering the findings blindly to humans without knowing the variables involved is even pushing it further.
I think I'm gonna ask Layne Norton ;D
Another question: Where does the limits go? Is it ok to bulk up eating 100 - 200 calories a day more than you burn, and then cut down slowly?
The mice argument is still very weak, because there are so many unanswered questions.
The thing I do agree on is that rapidly trying to change the body will lead to unhealthy side effects. Dieting and gaining very slowly with a long term objective in mind gives the best results in my opinion, and both these objectives requires that one does not deviate to much from the baseline metabolic calorie requirement.
Another aspect is how much one is willing to do to "squeeze out a few extra years"..
Hey Leafy Bug:Not neccesarily. Certain lifts can be effected by weight like squats and deadlift. Having a bigger waist aids greatly in these lifts. I did however beat my bench press and nearly matched my deadlift at a weight that was 60 pounds lighter then what i previously was. I even benched more when i leaned out then i did when i was fat. I think it is fair to say i didn't lose any muscle but im basing this simply by visual appearance. Strength is not an indication of how much muscle one has.
1) What stimulus will result in greater absorption and uptake through enterocytes, higher endogenous secretion of insulin, and subsequently a greater anabolic effect in vivo?
A) 100 calorie oral intake of carbohydrates
B) 100 calorie oral intake of lipids
2) You claim "not to lose an ounce of muscle" when dieting to a lower weight. Assuming all your weight loss was comprised of fat & water only (no muscle loss), should you not have the same or greater strength at the lower bodyweight? Please explain.
Oh wait....high protein/low carb sucks right???lol.... are you even reading your own studies or do you just copy and paste?
Effects of variation in protein and carbohydrate intake on body mass and composition during energy restriction: a meta-regression 1 ,2 ,3
James W Krieger1, Harry S Sitren1, Michael J Daniels1 and Bobbi Langkamp-Henken1
1 From the Departments of Food Science and Human Nutrition (JWK, HSS, and BL-H) and of Statistics (MJD), University of Florida, Gainesville, FL.
2 Supported by the primary investigator (JK). Funding did not come from any outside source.
3 Reprints not available. Address correspondence to J Krieger, University of Florida, Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, PO Box 110370, Gainesville, FL 32611-0370. E-mail: jkrieger@ufl.edu.
Background: It is unclear whether low-carbohydrate, high-protein, weight-loss diets benefit body mass and composition beyond energy restriction alone.
Objective: The objective was to use meta-regression to determine the effects of variations in protein and carbohydrate intakes on body mass and composition during energy restriction.
Design: English-language studies with a dietary intervention of ≥4200 kJ/d (1000 kcal/d), with a duration of ≥4 wk, and conducted in subjects aged ≥19 y were considered eligible for inclusion. A self-reported intake in conjunction with a biological marker of macronutrient intake was required as a minimum level of dietary control. A total of 87 studies comprising 165 intervention groups met the inclusion criteria.
Results: After control for energy intake, diets consisting of ≤35–41.4% energy from carbohydrate were associated with a 1.74 kg greater loss of body mass, a 0.69 kg greater loss of fat-free mass, a 1.29% greater loss in percentage body fat, and a 2.05 kg greater loss of fat mass than were diets with a higher percentage of energy from carbohydrate. In studies that were conducted for >12 wk, these differences increased to 6.56 kg, 1.74 kg, 3.55%, and 5.57 kg, respectively. Protein intakes of >1.05 g/kg were associated with 0.60 kg additional fat-free mass retention compared with diets with protein intakes ≤1.05 g/kg. In studies conducted for >12 wk, this difference increased to 1.21 kg. No significant effects of protein intake on loss of either body mass or fat mass were observed.
Conclusion: Low-carbohydrate, high-protein diets favorably affect body mass and composition independent of energy intake, which in part supports the proposed metabolic advantage of these diets.
Oh wait....high protein/low carb sucks right???Let me make this clear for you......
Effects of variation in protein and carbohydrate intake on body mass and composition during energy restriction: a meta-regression 1 ,2 ,3
James W Krieger1, Harry S Sitren1, Michael J Daniels1 and Bobbi Langkamp-Henken1
1 From the Departments of Food Science and Human Nutrition (JWK, HSS, and BL-H) and of Statistics (MJD), University of Florida, Gainesville, FL.
2 Supported by the primary investigator (JK). Funding did not come from any outside source.
3 Reprints not available. Address correspondence to J Krieger, University of Florida, Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition, PO Box 110370, Gainesville, FL 32611-0370. E-mail: jkrieger@ufl.edu.
Background: It is unclear whether low-carbohydrate, high-protein, weight-loss diets benefit body mass and composition beyond energy restriction alone.
Objective: The objective was to use meta-regression to determine the effects of variations in protein and carbohydrate intakes on body mass and composition during energy restriction.
Design: English-language studies with a dietary intervention of ≥4200 kJ/d (1000 kcal/d), with a duration of ≥4 wk, and conducted in subjects aged ≥19 y were considered eligible for inclusion. A self-reported intake in conjunction with a biological marker of macronutrient intake was required as a minimum level of dietary control. A total of 87 studies comprising 165 intervention groups met the inclusion criteria.
Results: After control for energy intake, diets consisting of ≤35–41.4% energy from carbohydrate were associated with a 1.74 kg greater loss of body mass, a 0.69 kg greater loss of fat-free mass, a 1.29% greater loss in percentage body fat, and a 2.05 kg greater loss of fat mass than were diets with a higher percentage of energy from carbohydrate. In studies that were conducted for >12 wk, these differences increased to 6.56 kg, 1.74 kg, 3.55%, and 5.57 kg, respectively. Protein intakes of >1.05 g/kg were associated with 0.60 kg additional fat-free mass retention compared with diets with protein intakes ≤1.05 g/kg. In studies conducted for >12 wk, this difference increased to 1.21 kg. No significant effects of protein intake on loss of either body mass or fat mass were observed.
Conclusion: Low-carbohydrate, high-protein diets favorably affect body mass and composition independent of energy intake, which in part supports the proposed metabolic advantage of these diets.
Not neccesarily. Certain lifts can be effected by weight like squats and deadlift. Having a bigger waist aids greatly in these lifts. I did however beat my bench press and nearly matched my deadlift at a weight that was 60 pounds lighter then what i previously was. I even benched more when i leaned out then i did when i was fat. I think it is fair to say i didn't lose any muscle but im basing this simply by visual appearance. Strength is not an indication of how much muscle one has.
You're a newbie. Only been lifting for what one/two years? Probably just newbie strength gains. Get with a good program and stick to it for 5 years then come back here and try to give advice.You are ignorant. Im not giving out advice. Simply sharing my experiences and apparently some of you are very offended when i tell other people how i cut.
Answer me this power rod. Which weighs more? A pound of feathers or a pound of bricks.
Hey Leafy Bug:
1) What stimulus will result in greater absorption and uptake through enterocytes, higher endogenous secretion of insulin, and subsequently a greater anabolic effect in vivo?
A) 100 calorie oral intake of carbohydrates
B) 100 calorie oral intake of lipids
2) You claim "not to lose an ounce of muscle" when dieting to a lower weight. Assuming all your weight loss was comprised of fat & water only (no muscle loss), should you not have the same or greater strength at the lower bodyweight? Please explain.
why don't you not answer with a question?For energy yes. They are as equal as a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks although im sure card board would be composed mostly of carbohydrates. Chicken may have more protien but 100 calories of card board is equal to 100 calories of chicken. Just like a gas stove will warm a pan the same as an electric.
nice "intelligence" question. i'm the educated one out of the two.
is eating a 100 calories of chicken the same as eating 100 calories of cardboard?
For energy yes. They are as equal as a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks although im sure card board would be composed mostly of carbohydrates. Chicken may have more protien but 100 calories of card board is equal to 100 calories of chicken. Just like a gas stove will warm a pan the same as an electric.
For energy yes. They are as equal as a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks although im sure card board would be composed mostly of carbohydrates. Chicken may have more protien but 100 calories of card board is equal to 100 calories of chicken. Just like a gas stove will warm a pan the same as an electric.
are you staking your "reputation" on the following statement then:Of course not because you need your vitamins and minerals.
"I , Leafy Bug/Buttsuck, hereby proclaim that for muscle building, fat loss, and overall health and physical well being, when it comes to nutrition, there is absolutely no difference between eating meat and cardboard".
Would you sign your name under that statement?
You retarded greyhound jockey! Cardboard is cellulose, humans cannot digest cellulose. You cannot eat paper/wood/cardboard!I was under the impression that cardboard was edible and capable of living off of. If you want we can change it to a diet of solid chicken and a diet of solid orange peels.
Not all calories you consume are devoted to muscle synthesis. So some calories you can eat from any source. That's the point of the "TA principles."The funny thing is that they don't realize is that a diet of pure chicken breast would be just as unhealthy as a diet of pure cardboard. Why they can't see this i don't know.
Of course not because you need your vitamins and minerals. I was under the impression that cardboard was edible and capable of living off of. If you want we can change it to a diet of solid chicken and a diet of solid orange peels.
Not all calories you consume are devoted to muscle synthesis. So some calories you can eat from any source. That's the point of the "TA principles."
If you read the the studies abstract Adam posted about the mice, the researchers does not claim that the results are directly applicable to humans. The doctor advices a healthy diet and no overconsumption of calories.Hey, i never said 200 about baseline would severly put your life in danger but i can garuntee you that eating 1000 or more daily will have its effects on shortening your life.
Yet ShiftedShapes claims that humans eating a bit more than Baseline = playing with their lives, and that they are cutting their livespan by 20%.
He's full of shit, just like Adam, he's taking a tiny indicator of something and makes a bold claim out of it, and then refers to the "studies" that specifically does not claim what he claims.
::)
why would you ever think cardboard is edible and capable of living off of?Apparently its not edible according to climber. Look im not saying its healthy. There are people who eat dirt and bugs and have just as much muscle mass if not more then the people here on getbig. The point we are making is you guys are splitting hairs.
but ok, what if i wrapped a multivitamin/multi-mineral pill into a sheet of paper. if i ate just that, would that be the same as eating 100 calories of chicken?
theoretically (i'll leave this up to the google nerds), cardboard would have the same number of nutrients as most fibrous green vegetables. i'm willing to bet that if you chopped a chunk of a tree out you'd find millions of nutrients in it and could eat it if you could get it soft enough to chew it. i mean, the tree has to feed itself from the dirt somehow too, right? so technically, cardboard (tree/tree bark) does have vitamins and minerals in it. do you think you could survive off eating wood?
The funny thing is that they don't realize is that a diet of pure chicken breast would be just as unhealthy as a diet of pure cardboard. Why they can't see this i don't know.
Let me make this clear for you......
FAT FREE MASS!!!!!! MASS IS NOT EQUAL TO FAT
what do you mean by "some calories"? 1 %? 3? 50%?
Now let me make this clear to you.....FAT FREE MASS = MUSCLE. Meaning that with HIGH PROTEIN LOW CARB DIETS FAT FREE MASS WAS SPARED dipshit.I never resulted to name calling.... fatfree mass could be water. Shows how little you know. If you can't argue maturly then your are free to leave and huff and puff in your corner. Don't be mad because i have proven you wrong.
The funny thing is that they don't realize is that a diet of pure chicken breast would be just as unhealthy as a diet of pure cardboard. Why they can't see this i don't know.
Now let me make this clear to you.....FAT FREE MASS = MUSCLE. Meaning that with HIGH PROTEIN LOW CARB DIETS FAT FREE MASS WAS SPARED dipshit.
Basically I get 50-100g protein, some vegetables, a piece of fruit, and the rest is whatever (fast food, simple carbs). And some of the protein always comes from "whatever" as well. The most important thing is to eat the right amount of calories.
This should be just precious......tell us oh wise one.....PLEASE.....how could it be "just as unhealthy"Because you would be mal nourished..... Seriously man are you thinking before you post. You are getting owned by a 20 year old kid with 2 years of bodybuilding experience. Don't you have alot of experience in this?
why not have 0 protein? instead of 200-400 calories of protein, why not have 200 calories of cake every day?
why not have 0 protein? instead of 200-400 calories of protein, why not have 200 calories of cake every day?
Yet, if you guys want to utilize your "long life" argument, you better stay away from the insulin triggers since insulin speeds up cell replication, which is a sure factor for aging, along with perhaps being the reason for the shortened lifespan of the mice. Thus, eating only candy and shit, but staying below baseline might not help you live longer at all.I somewhat agree as i have thought about this myself but since the glycemic index isnt even recognized by the ADA id imagine that eating candy = to the ammount of oatmeal would make no difference.
That is untrue. I promise you that if one were to eat only chicken breast they would live for quite a long time. Minerals like Iron are deficient in chicken so that would be a limiting factor. Eat only cardboard and you'll be dead with in a week.Naturally a chicken breast has more nutrients in it then a cardboard but if i were to have a multivitamin with it and depending if carbboard is a safe edible food source with carbohydrates i would pick the card board.
That's because protein contains nitrogen. Your body needs nitrogen to function. Cake does not have enough nitrogen in it. There are also some amino acids found in dietary protein that humans cannot make within their bodies.Agreed... like i said though i wouldnt go without meeting the RDA//RDI
I somewhat agree as i have thought about this myself but since the glycemic index isnt even recognized by the ADA id imagine that eating candy = to the ammount of oatmeal would make no difference.
Naturally a chicken breast has more nutrients in it then a cardboard but if i were to have a multivitamin with it and depending if carbboard is a safe edible food source with carbohydrates i would pick the card board.
Some protein is needed for muscle synthesis.
Grrr, you cannot digest any glucose that is in the cellulose polymer in cardboard. You will die a quick death of starvation vitamins or not.Well then you have to put up an equally edible and safe food source. Beside you guys are over analyzing it. The point its a mcdonalds diet has enough nutrients to make cutting succesful as cutting on chicken breast and oatmeal.
Because you would be mal nourished..... Seriously man are you thinking before you post. You are getting owned by a 20 year old kid with 2 years of bodybuilding experience. Don't you have alot of experience in this?
y u waste your time arguing?
You think you are owning me? Please, re-think that theory as well. You havent proven anything to me. You have spouted off things that Adam has said and nothing more. You havent shown one pice of concrete evidence to support what you say. I just showed you a study that revealed that more fat-free mass was maintained with a macr-nutrient profile you claim isnt great. You think I dont know what fat free mass could be? How about blood, how about soft tissue (blood vessels, brain matter), cardiac muscle, smooth muscle, how about cerebral spinal fluid? Shall I go on with a list of things that are NOT fat?I never said solid mcdonalds was optimal. Ass for the fatfree mass, thx for proving my point. There will be no muscle gained or lost in that short of a period of time. I have done a 12 pound carb up and looked exactly the same..... My god.... are you telling me not 1 of those 12 pounds gained was muscle? Correct.... People are confusing water movement with muscle gain and loss. Most people have no more then 40 pound of muscle on their body. You can go to Lee Haneys site and ask him if you want. He recommends getting 1 gram of protien per pound of MUSCLE... not BODY WEIGHT. He even makes this clear. If you won't listen to me, and you won't listen to a Mr. Olympia, and you wont listen to science and logic then im afraid we will have to cut this argument short because apparently im not getting through.
You're going on and on with what is 'optimal' eating...yet you are trying something entirely different as an experiment? That means you dont believe that what you WERE doing was optimal.
Again, ask Brian Whitacre what he did for eating. You were so high on what he looked like and beefed up the fact that he weight 180lbs or so....yet the very thing you talk about (higher calorie, higher protein, meal timing) is EXACTLY what he does. Are you selective about what you like about him? You like his appearance but yet would most likely state that the way he does it is wrong? I guarantee you that if you tried to eat the way the "TA principle way" states you would get blown away on stage.
you're saying "some" again. saying you only need 50 grams for muscle synthesis without proof makes you no better than those that say you need 250 a day. we're not talking survival nutrition, we're talking muscle building/muscle growth nutrition.
how many calories do you eat a day?
y u waste your time arguing?Exactly, which is why im about threw with this. I think ill study for my German test hahahaha.
you're saying "some" again. saying you only need 50 grams for muscle synthesis without proof makes you no better than those that say you need 250 a day. we're not talking survival nutrition, we're talking muscle building/muscle growth nutrition.
how many calories do you eat a day?
When you exercise you break down muscle tissue. Some of the broken down muscle proteins will be degraded and you'll piss them out. This causes your body to loose Nitrogen. Your body naturally tries to minimise Nitrogen loss because it repairs the broken muscle by using any amino acids (broken down proteins) in your body to build new proteins. Most of the protein you eat in your diet will go towards building new muscle and some of it will go towards replacing the Nitrogen - from proteins - lost in your urine (which isn't much). Naturals DO NOT need 250 grams of protein. You only need enough to replace what you piss out and enough to satisfy the demands from new tissues being built.which ends up being about 70-90 grams.
if you are pursuing the "ideal body" or the "body ideal" whatever you want to call it, buttsuck, how come at 5'11" and 150 lbs you're 10 lbs under the "ideal" body weight?According to BMI i am in a healthy range. And no, you would lose muscle on lettuce unless you were getting protien to replenish what was lost. I have shown my face and my body on this site. From my knowledge you haven't shown yours. From experience, 9/10 times the guy im arguing with is an overweight keyboard warrior. I proved this from my time at MD. Im not saying you are of course. Just saying i have left myself open to criticism and i do not hide behind a keyboard. Everything i preach for the most part i have done in myself or am willing to try. I keep an open mind and thats why i have learned so much. Most people never venture out from the carb cycling or even worse, the bulking stage. These people never grow or learn. The only way to learn is through trial and error and i know what i am doing.
here's the closest thing i could come to cardboard that's edible: lettuce. could you build muscle, lose fat, and stay healthy eating just lettuce?
would eating 100 calories of lettuce be the same as eating 100 calories of chicken?
i'm gonna go ahead and guess you'd answer yes as long as you got your minerals in. so you'd put on as much muscle in one year eating just lettuce and taking multivitamins/multiminerals as you would eating the same amount calorically in chicken?
the major point you and adonis are missing are that the RDA was made up during world war II to set up minimum guidelines for survival during a time of war when resources are scarce.
well, i guess you two do look like concentration camp survivors. do you guys have an aesthetically pleasing physique? well, you do. but on paper, it still comes down to you being 5'11" and 160. you are absolutely tiny. do you know you're 2 lbs under the ideal weight for a woman your height? you're too skinny even for a woman.
Most people have no more then 40 pound of muscle on their body. You can go to Lee Haneys site and ask him if you want.
where did you get this information from? if Lee Haney said this...well, did he even graduate high school? if he didn't, i guess you two are in the same intellectual boat.Hey, i have tried it and have seen no difference. I have picture evidence showing no difference. What do you ahve other then myths and stories you have been fed? Do you even have pictures of yourself on this site?
if you took the skin off, ripped the bones out, and completely dried it up, you'd probably be left with 40 lbs of human jerky. but doing your nutritional need calculations based on pure flesh in the body is as reasonable as comparing humans to rats in nutritional studies.
oh wait....
good info here http://www.muscledemon.com/nutrition.php
According to BMI i am in a healthy range. And no, you would lose muscle on lettuce unless you were getting protien to replenish what was lost. I have shown my face and my body on this site. From my knowledge you haven't shown yours. From experience, 9/10 times the guy im arguing with is an overweight keyboard warrior. I proved this from my time at MD. Im not saying you are of course. Just saying i have left myself open to criticism and i do not hide behind a keyboard. Everything i preach for the most part i have done in myself or am willing to try. I keep an open mind and thats why i have learned so much. Most people never venture out from the carb cycling or even worse, the bulking stage. These people never grow or learn. The only way to learn is through trial and error and i know what i am doing.
well, you're right, i'm a fat keyboard warrior. but the fat didn't clog up my brain just yet. so far you're saying you can gain muscle eating anything you want, including cardboard. then when you realized you can't eat cardboard, you said you can't build muscle unless you replenish protein that was lost. if it doesn't matter what you eat, you sure seem to be watching of how much you eat.
also, at 16 years of age you can eat anything you want and grow like a weed. let's wait til about your sophomore/jr year in college when it all slows down.
but then again, adonis, your master said that someone who's "only 18 isn't producing testosterone yet". so i guess you guys don't believe in puberty and metabolism either.
Hey, i have tried it and have seen no difference. I have picture evidence showing no difference. What do you ahve other then myths and stories you have been fed? Do you even have pictures of yourself on this site?
well, you're right, i'm a fat keyboard warrior. but the fat didn't clog up my brain just yet. so far you're saying you can gain muscle eating anything you want, including cardboard. then when you realized you can't eat cardboard, you said you can't build muscle unless you replenish protein that was lost. if it doesn't matter what you eat, you sure seem to be watching of how much you eat.Hey man atleast you are honest. That's all i'd expect from anyone. I am not pulling any strings here. I am giving you an account of my experiences and if you don't like it then you don't have to read it. By all means do what works for you. Im just tired of seeing the lies that float around on these boards. It has been proven study after study that a calorie is a calorie. If you want to cut miserably on chicken and brocolli be my guest. I will enjoy my diet but don't be mad at me for enjoying it.
also, at 16 years of age you can eat anything you want and grow like a weed. let's wait til about your sophomore/jr year in college when it all slows down.
but then again, adonis, your master said that someone who's "only 18 isn't producing testosterone yet". so i guess you guys don't believe in puberty and metabolism either.
there's fat pics of me on here. how old are you? i'll find pictures of me at the same age. i was on a beer and cigarettes and pizza diet throughout high school, but i bet i looked better than you.20
i'll have to scan some photos of me with shirts on though, hope it doesn't disappoint you. at that point in my life, i wasn't taking pictures of myself shirtless flexing my muscles in my bedroom for other guys on the internet.
Leafy assmonkey never did adress the Layne Norton issue...According to the average person it would. What is funny though is i have listened to both of them, tried both of their methods, and experience more change listening to adonis. Hell, layne even started to change his views when he ran into adonis. Just look at his old articles and you will see he contradicts himself now. I say from my experience with both Adonis opinions carry more weight. I learn from experience and had more to gain from adonis.
Leafy, does Apenis' opinion carry greater weight than Layne Nortons?
Leafy assmonkey never did adress the Layne Norton issue...Infact, whenever i tried to talk to layne he would give me short answers and was smug and condescending. I did ask stupid questions but i was just learning and starting. I don't think very much of him. He has a mediocre physique and is cheesier the Chuck Norris.
Leafy, does Apenis' opinion carry greater weight than Layne Nortons?
According to the average person it would. What is funny though is i have listened to both of them, tried both of their methods, and experience more change listening to adonis. Hell, layne even started to change his views when he ran into adonis. Just look at his old articles and you will see he contradicts himself now. I say from my experience with both Adonis opinions carry more weight. I learn from experience and had more to gain from adonis.
Fair enough.Of course they do. It all started with the whole protien myth. The whole fitness industry is a lie. People act like they need personal trainers to lose weight. The concepts are simple. Protien myths started to increase powder sales, etc etc... In the end it all comes down to drugs and training (in the professional realm).
But the truth is that Adonis' principles go against every bbing nutrition norm.. People cannot be that ignorant.
1: As Buttsuck, you claimed that you got better results with a "chicken and rice" diet, than you did from the Adonis diet.I never claimed that from my recollection. In fact ill show you the pictures of when i was doing chicken and rice and from when i was eating what i wanted. The changes are huge.
2: Adonis claimed Layne had changed his views on dieting, but I proved that Adonis was outright lying. Yep. He was saying things that was easily proven wrong, and then he refused to answer afterwards.
3: Layne has not changed his opinions greatly, he does not believe in ultra high protein diets, but he still think 1 gram per pound of bodyweight is optimal. That is high protein.
Thus, Adonis did not make Layne change his opinions like Adonis himself claimed. And he lied about it as well.
Then find it... You probably mistook it for me saying i'd rather cut on "clean foods" because they aren't calorie dense and they fill your stomach up.
I'm pretty sure you wrote it.
According to the average person it would. What is funny though is i have listened to both of them, tried both of their methods, and experience more change listening to adonis. Hell, layne even started to change his views when he ran into adonis. Just look at his old articles and you will see he contradicts himself now. I say from my experience with both Adonis opinions carry more weight. I learn from experience and had more to gain from adonis.
Actually, If you go far enough, Adonis changed his views...The only thing he went back on was recommending an RDI... This is really a given since it is what is need to survive off of. We have proven all of this in studies. It is nothing new. I don't udnerstand why it is so controversial.
I clearly remember it. I don't wanna spend time checking your post history.You are clearly mistaken. I NEVER said chicken and rice was better. Like i said, you are going to have to provide some evidence if you want to be credible. I am by no means a spokes person for adonis. I don't know why you guys are asking me to defend him. No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. I will however do my best to prove his claims. I agree with the things he says because they make sense and are logical.
If I am wrong, then sorry, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
You did not address my points about Adonis and Layne btw. Adonis lied, and fucked up doing so. It was clear as the day is long, and Layne has NOT changed his opinions to a great degree because of Adonis.
No controversy, Leafy Bug.Every study will have its flaws. I have cut on all fat before too. The only difference was water loss. People confuse mass for fat. Yes, there are difference but in the end it is all the same.
Thermogenically speaking a calorie is indeed a calorie.
But ingesting 100 calories of carbs vs. 100 calories of fat has different metabolic effects, and elicits a different hormonal response. In vivo, there are not identical.
Most of the studies you quote, but fail to read are problematic. Small sample sizes, poor controls, lack of randomization, no blinding, etc. etc.. cannot be cited as "proof". 99.9% of these studies are very poorly done. Even looking at meta-analyses the most you can is that the results are suggestive of. No cause-effect relationship has been established.
No controversy, Leafy Bug.
Thermogenically speaking a calorie is indeed a calorie.
But ingesting 100 calories of carbs vs. 100 calories of fat has different metabolic effects, and elicits a different hormonal response. In vivo, there are not identical.
Most of the studies you quote, but fail to read are problematic. Small sample sizes, poor controls, lack of randomization, no blinding, etc. etc.. cannot be cited as "proof". 99.9% of these studies are very poorly done. Even looking at meta-analyses the most you can is that the results are suggestive of. No cause-effect relationship has been established.
1: Of course I have to provide evidence to be credible, but I just don't wanna spend time checking up on your old gimmicks. Thus, my argument has not been verified, and I can not use it.Ohh im responsible for it am i?? You made a claim of me contradicting myself. I tell you what... when you find that post ill answer your question ;)
2: You made a statement that Adonis made Layne change his views. I called you out on it and exposed Adonis as a liar. You are responsible for what you claim (as am I), thus, you have to answer for it. (and you = wrong). If you wish to not do so, that is your thing.
Ohh im responsible for it am i?? You made a claim of me contradicting myself. I tell you what... when you find that post ill answer your question ;)
You are responsible for what you claim, as we all are. Your claim included Adonis,. When your claim includes Adonis, you have to answer for his acts, because the underlying arguments that supports your statements depends on Adonis and his acts/claims. -> Layne did not change his views, and Adonis tried to lie about it. Thus, your argument no longer has any foundation, and it is false.Ok if you called him out of it and proved it whatever... i really don't care. If you feel the need to be correct on one minor point to spare some dignity or have a sense of self accomplishment the ill allow you to have it. This is not the purpose of the thread though. The purpose is the proof that a calorie is a calorie and that high protien is not a neccesity.
I am also responsible for my claim regarding your post, but I don't wanna spend time researching it, thus, I take the claim back for now.:-*
Ok if you called him out of it and proved it whatever... i really don't care. If you feel the need to be correct on one minor point to spare some dignity or have a sense of self accomplishment the ill allow you to have it. This is not the purpose of the thread though. The purpose is the proof that a calorie is a calorie and that high protien is not a neccesity.
Nice attempt to row yourself in again kid. If you lack skills to play the game, don't try to play the "psycho analysis" card, because you are wrong there as well.Nahhh, and ill tell you why. The difference between you an me is im willing to end the argument because it is clear that even though i present the correct information you are not willing to listen. I am even willing to let you have the last word. I bid you adieu.
What you did tell us was that you yourself put a lot of dignity into being correct and you get a sense of self accomplishment when you are correct about tiny details, since your analysis of other peoples behaviour is based upon your own personality, and it always is. You just told me a great deal about yourself, and nothing else with your psycho babble.
:-*
Do you know if any real evidence exists for the calorie/lifespan link in humans?
Nahhh, and ill tell you why. The difference between you an me is im willing to end the argument because it is clear that even though i present the correct information you are not willing to listen. I am even willing to let you have the last word. I bid you adieu.
There is not enough evidence at this point to establish "scientific proof" i.e. cause-effect relationship in humans. Several animal studes have been done, and observational studies in humans, but all we can say is that a low calorie diet may be a contributing factor for a longer lifespan in humans. Among the "strength of scientific evidence" continuum, observational studies lie at the bottom of the totem pole.
It would be very difficult to do a large scale human study, and control for confounding factors such as lifestyle, genetics, activity etc...especially over a long time horizon.
Clearly the North American diet is bad, and people overeat. Obesity is a problem and is a contributing factor behind heart disease, stroke, Type 2 Diabetes, cancer etc.... That in itself should tell you not to each as much... Please refer to the thread "Fat People's Lack of Willpower is Sickening..."
everyone have a sandwich and calm down, celebrity fit club's on.
screech took xantrax and went to the sauna and lost 13 lbs in a day, and claims he deserves to win the show.
cletus t. judd just wanted to attack him.
some black chick just used the word "rebutalled".
Did Harvey ever recover after his meltdown?
yeah, but he's just trying to ignore screech's bullshit for now.
man, screech is annoying as shit. kinda reminds me of some of the posters here, just doesn't know when to stop being annoying.
Everyone go on the saltine and corona beer diet. For a stimulant supplement, make sure you smoke 3 J. Upmann Churhill cubanos daily! Cheers and happy cutting!
(http://www.broadweighs-cigars.com/fastival2007/selection_all_sm.jpg)
I love cigars :'(
I never said solid mcdonalds was optimal. Ass for the fatfree mass, thx for proving my point. There will be no muscle gained or lost in that short of a period of time. I have done a 12 pound carb up and looked exactly the same..... My god.... are you telling me not 1 of those 12 pounds gained was muscle? Correct.... People are confusing water movement with muscle gain and loss. Most people have no more then 40 pound of muscle on their body. You can go to Lee Haneys site and ask him if you want. He recommends getting 1 gram of protien per pound of MUSCLE... not BODY WEIGHT. He even makes this clear. If you won't listen to me, and you won't listen to a Mr. Olympia, and you wont listen to science and logic then im afraid we will have to cut this argument short because apparently im not getting through.
Matt,
why do you hate Yates so much?
Here he is at 291lbs @ 6% bodyfat
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=174670;image)
This is pathetic you're sacrificing your health just so you can obfuscate your lack of muscle with a layer of fat.
why don't you just come to grips with your lack of size and slowly build up lean mass. Choosing to maintain denial over health is a sure sign that you need therapy.
first Matt is well over that
second it is much healthier to eat less, you will extend your lifespan by 20% or more.
guys try a diet of corona and coco-colapuffs!
Alright, I read up until the end of page 14 so far.Wrong... you are atleast 20% in that picture... i don't know what that bothers you though. Thats no't bad. If you were 14 you would have some kind of abdominals showing. I would link you to the bb.com bf% guide if it still worked. It was a good key.
He looks good...but he's no Ronnie. I think there's a thread on that topic somewhere around here. ;D
I am extremely healthy and health conscious. I also get annual blood work and in the fall I got a series of cardiac tests done and it showed my heart to be perfectly healthy with no abnormalities. Every single one of my levels was in the healthy range. I also have the printed reports to prove it which I can scan to further prove that I am correct. Much like my 200+ pictures clearly prove I am both more muscular and leaner at that weight.
I doubt I am 20%. I am more likely around 14% even over 200 pounds. Now you might say that it would result in me being 172 at contest weight but it doesn't work like that. You and TEAM TA speak as if it's possible not to lose muscle while dieting and that is not the case.
If I am over 20% body fat and I am also leaner than over 95% of the general population, what exactly is average?
I didnt prove any of your points. I wish you were here in front of me so I could speak slowly to you. The study showed that someone utilizing a HIGH PROTEIN LOW CARB APPROACH did not lose any fat free mass. You think the examiners were worried if that 'fat free mass' was anything but water and muscle????It is you who has the blinder on my friend. I am sure you haven't even TRIED it. You have to try a little bit of everything to know if you like it or not. I ahve done the diet you way. Did it work? Yes! I have done it many ways and the end result is they all work.
You did a 12-pound carb up....and that proves? So what? You ate food....you drank water and in a depleted state (which I assume you were if you did a carb up) you will draw water into muscle and so forth. I doubt very highly if ANY of that 12-lbs you gained was muscle. It was a carb up...nothing more. You gained BODY WEIGHT. You did not spontaneously go through a hypertrophy spurt.
I dont know, and dont care, how you came up with the "40 lbs of muscle" factoid....but with regard to Lee Haney....I couldnt care less what he says. He was Mr. Olympia...great. Wow....I guess he should be on MSNBC or something like that with that sort of creditial. I would take Layne Nortons or Brian Whitacres advice before I took Lee Haneys.
You seem to think that I am this dumb ass "all chest-triceps-biceps" dumb shit who thinks flex magazine is the bible of all bodybuilding. I have been doing this since before you were born. I have been competing since 97. I earned my drug-free pro card and compete along side Brian. While that may not amount to much in some peoples eyes, its more than you have done in the two years that you have been lifting. Call that a melt down statement if you like, but I have done, and seen what works for people. You listen to one person and take it as if its the word of god. You, my friend, have the blinders on....not me.
So, if you wont listen to mirad of people who have experience then perhaps it will be the end of this 'discussion' as you cant accept that your way is not the ONLY way...nor is it the ABSOLUTE RIGHT way.
I seriously put forth a challenge.....do this type of dieting...step on stage and see how you do against someone who diets the way you are saying is so horrible. Put your money where you mouth is.
It is you who has the blinder on my friend. I am sure you haven't even TRIED it. You have to try a little bit of everything to know if you like it or not. I ahve done the diet you way. Did it work? Yes! I have done it many ways and the end result is they all work.
You are sure? Hmm...in 20+ years of doing this....do you HONESTLY think I havent tried just about every approach to dieting?
So....come on.....man up on the competition thing. Or, will you continue to avoid it as if I have never asked?
check the NYtimes on calorie restriction. It is the only proven means of life extension. there have been definitive animal studies all the way up to primates. Humans of course take a little longer, but so far studies have been very promising.
This whole term of 'calorie restriction' is so general. Define for me the specific parameters of 'calorie restriction'. I am one of those people that learned VERY early on that the whole 'bulking' thing was bullshit. There is no need for it. It really is an excuse to become a fatty.
google is your friend
You cant even provide an explanation. Thats what I figured. Heres my description of "caloric restriction".....dont take in more than you burn. Hmmm.....thats freakin' a brand new concept!!!!
it is incorrect
Wrong? Hmm....google me the correct one then.FAIL
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TOOLFAIL
Wrong... you are atleast 20% in that picture... i don't know what that bothers you though. Thats no't bad. If you were 14 you would have some kind of abdominals showing. I would link you to the bb.com bf% guide if it still worked. It was a good key.
I have not trained abs five times in my LIFE. My reasoning was "I'm bulking - they won't show anyway." Little did I know that my family's genetics are such where I never go above 12% body fat no matter how much or what I eat as my picture CLEARLY SHOWS. My abs are simply undeveloped. If my abs were in line with the rest of my physique you would probably guess I am even at a lower body fat than I am.Don't tell lies then. Simple as that. How would you feel if i posted a thread titled "Disaster after following Gym Science" and said hey guys, i ate a healthy diet of chicken and brocolli and lost size. Then proceed to post a picture of me at 20% body fat and claim it to be 13%. I don't know what to tell you man. By posting pictures and a thread and making claims you are opening yourself up for criticism. If you can't handle the pie don't start the oven ;D
I am no longer going to say on here "Well...it's possible that I'm over 20% body fat". I'm realistic, not delusional, so I will no longer pretend to be ignorant under the guise of modesty any more. I am not much more than 10% body fat and that was tested in 2004 in the comparison picture I posted earlier. I tested my body fat multiple times and I was never over 12% and as low as 9.4% once so just stop talking about it. It is getting about annoying.
Don't tell lies then. Simple as that. How would you feel if i posted a thread titled "Disaster after following Gym Science" and said hey guys, i ate a healthy diet of chicken and brocolli and lost size. Then proceed to post a picture of me at 20% body fat and claim it to be 13%. I don't know what to tell you man. By posting pictures and a thread and making claims you are opening yourself up for criticism. If you can't handle the pie don't start the oven ;D
I can't handle criticisms that are fact based like saying I have weak legs and abs or that my shoulders overpower my chest and things like that. But comments about my body fat being in the 20s are simply not true and that's why I have little patience in dealing with them. I'm not going to refute a lie. I'm also not going to debate that the world is a sphere or that evolution is a fact. These things are not open for debate.http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=2450726&postcount=2
In the second picture I am 25 pounds heavier and leaner to boot:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174698;image)
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=2450726&postcount=2
Visual bodyfat % guide. You are around 20%. Also your pictures are not taken under the same lighting conditions.
That's hardly 20%.Tis always best to over estimate. If he got calipered at 14% there then he is easily 17%.
15% tops.....remove that layer of water and you got abs showing though.
I can't handle criticisms that are fact based like saying I have weak legs and abs or that my shoulders overpower my chest and things like that. But comments about my body fat being in the 20s are simply not true and that's why I have little patience in dealing with them. I'm not going to refute a lie. I'm also not going to debate that the world is a sphere or that evolution is a fact. These things are not open for debate.so you look worse now ?
In the second picture I am 25 pounds heavier and leaner to boot:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174698;image)
Tis always best to over estimate. If he got calipered at 14% there then he is easily 17%.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=2450726&postcount=2
Visual bodyfat % guide. You are around 20%. Also your pictures are not taken under the same lighting conditions.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=2450726&postcount=2
Visual bodyfat % guide. You are around 20%. Also your pictures are not taken under the same lighting conditions.
"1. Full house = Over or near 20% bodyfat with no visible muscle definition and only a hint of separation between major muscle groups if those groups are very large. Basically a person in this state could be confused for a football linebacker. If you're higher than this bodyfat percentage, you'd be considered overweight/obese."
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you fucked?
...
No seriously. Are you fucked? :)
that describes you to a TExactly... Don't get me wrong. I understand how you find it offensive. I was offended after i bulked up to 220 and they told me id be 150 stage weight. It is nothing to be ashamed of. As a natural you WILL NOT be that big. 150-160 is very respectable size for someone who is 5'9.
he's also flexing and pumped in one picture
this guy is totally out of it. He would rather claim all sorts of unusual genetic infirmities (undiffierntiated abdominals LOL) then acknoweldge his actual BF level.
he will contort reality as much as necessary to maintain his current delusions, it is hopeless arguing with him.
Exactly... Don't get me wrong. I understand how you find it offensive. I was offended after i bulked up to 220 and they told me id be 150 stage weight. It is nothing to be ashamed of. As a natural you WILL NOT be that big. 150-160 is very respectable size for someone who is 5'9.
I'm beginning to think you and The_Leafy_Bug are TA gimmick accounts or friends of his. TA was bullshitting everyone with his failed "principles".
As it is, there are a select few of you who hold the same opinion while the overwhelming majority of the board do not.
The_Leafy_Bug: I would certainly be in the 160s on stage.
Go away.
You are just pissed that Matt has far more muscle than you while still being quite lean (12%)
most everyone here is also fatlet's see your picture.
are you starting to see the connection
I guarantee that you would not look close to contest shape at 160
let's see your picture.
youve seen it, check your spank archive under sspost it so everyone who hasn't seen it can see what you look like, until you do you have no credibility.
youve seen it, check your spank archive under ssOhhh lordie.... IT begins hahahahahah. Everyone is starting to jump into this thread. Don't get me wrong matt. Im not saying you have a bad physique. You look thick in the first picture and its a good picture and all. You just don't have as much as you think you do. If you want to be 200 and fill out your clothes then so be it. That is fine also, but don't spread lies saying you will lose muscle eating junk. There are black people in the ghetto who live off of fried chicken and kool-aid and are in better shape then most of the people here on this site. People are paranoid over muscle loss when it comes down to something as simple as water distribution. I am no gimmick. I am here to stop the lies. You would not lose that much muscle unless you had muscular distrophy.
matt, first of all, you look wayyy better in the first pic and your bodyfat is NO MORE THAN 12% . i determine peoples bodyfat visually all day every day and im never off when i double check with the calipers.
secondly, why in the world would you second guess having a system when it comes to your nutrition, bro? eating every 2-3 hours and balancing proteins, carbs and fats is the ONLY WAY TO PRESERVE LEAN MASS WHILE IN A DEFICIT.
rule of thumb: if what are you are doing is EASIER OR MORE COMFORTABLE than what you were doing...rest assured its also less effective!! lol!
I couldn't have said it better! Words from a bodybuilder as regimented as Jay Cutler and Rich Gaspari.Go ahead and take a leap of faith... That is if rejecting all science and logic or make things harder for yourself makes sense then so be it. It doesn't have to be hard. I dropped 70 pounds in 4.5 months eating what i wanted. I didn't lose an ounce of muscle.
The truth is, it was easy as hell restricting my calories as TA mentioned. In addition, no cardio was required to lose weight! Simply cutting calories and continuing to train regularly. As it is now, I am back to eating small frequent meals throughout the day and balancing my macros.
TA's secret to getting ripped is (in a nutshell) to just reduce calories. ??? Give me a break...
post it so everyone who hasn't seen it can see what you look like, until you do you have no credibility.
Go ahead and take a leap of faith... That is if rejecting all science and logic or make things harder for yourself makes sense then so be it. It doesn't have to be hard. I dropped 70 pounds in 4.5 months eating what i wanted. I didn't lose an ounce of muscle.
SS.....it wont happen.....he probably fears your honest assessment of him....
well, I use the principles.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102296.0;attach=111381;image)
Here is a PIC of ShiftedShapes,
MY brother.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121394.0;attach=136868;image)
Here is a PIC of ShiftedShapes,he looks good.
MY brother.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121394.0;attach=136868;image)
post it so everyone who hasn't seen it can see what you look like, until you do you have no credibility.
So I guess YOU had no credibility for 2+ years posting on getbig when you refused to post your pic, huh? ::) Brutal self ownagehahahaha, stalk much? :D
well, I use the principles.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102296.0;attach=111381;image)
hahahaha, stalk much? :D
Nice lame comeback. Notice how you totally evaded my question. This is why you have no credibility: when someone challenges you, you come out with the "you're gayer than" shit just like "kiwiol" (if that is even his real name). Get a life, Davey boy.hahahaha, you're too easy, gimmick meltdown. :P
you hardly had an ounce of muscle to lose in the first place. MattT is definitely closer to 15% BF in that picture above. You've got no clue Leafy_Bug!Those are respectable lifts... First i ask you, can YOU do those lifts? If so lets see them instead of listing your e-stats. Do you even have pictures on this site or are you just another overweight keyboard warrior. I am so tired of your kind.
Why don't you work up to a level where you can:
1. Deadlift ~450 pounds
2. Bench at least 315
3. Squat 405.
Then, stay at that level and add volume to those weights (that weight for reps!) for a year or two... you'll have some mass then. Like I've said before, you're a newbie, you have no idea of what bodybuilding is about... If you can't do that first... go to some figure board.
by Matt's reasoning you must have been 250lbs of shredded beef before.Hahah yeah exactly... They refuse to listen. Bast has one of the best physiques on this board. They wouldn't know the truth if it was a brick chunked at their faces.
well, I use the principles.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=102296.0;attach=111381;image)
My lifts, somewhere between 190-200:Those are good lifts and i give you credit for those.
430 pound deadlift 1RM:
315 bench for three:
225 for 16 (max ever was 18 with no spot):
At my best I could certainly handle between 300-400 for a parallel squat. Especially with knee wraps which I found could add nearly 100 pounds.
You also use prohormones out of the ass, what was it 6 or 7 cycles? Why don't you lay it out for us.Doesn't matter. He was clean there.
hahahaha, you're too easy, gimmick meltdown. :P
Let me explain a couple things to you. I will be blunt:I will work on my credentials. I think if i even had them you would still blow me off as nothing. I respect Milos and think he has the right idea on training. I don't know what he believes on diet however so i can't really say anything about that. What you don't seem to understand is that there is no right and wrong. There are 1000's of ways to do this and you only seem to want to believe in 1 way. I'll be blunt with you Garreth. I have seen your pictures on here and if i don't have you mistaken with someone else then you are over weight. Plain and simple. If you are happy with yourself then i guess thats fine. Funny you call us sheep. You are the one listening to what is popular. We are trying to push a concept that has been around for quite some time. I think that would make you the sheep. Take a look at yourself in the mirror before you start to critique others. I never made any personal attacks on you. I'd expect the same respect from you. What are you 40? Grow up man. You are pathetic and over weight. Go have a bowl of oatmeal or whatever it is you eat.
1. You are the sheep in the world.
You follow the loudest person, not the most qualified. Therefore you are sheep. This is what the masses do. No thought behind the "why", but rather, a simple gut reaction to the loudest person in the room.
2. Remember those articles that so many of you have posted in the past that describe people who are amatures in a field but think they are actually experts? And those are the ones who are the loudest and most cocky about the subject?
Well, you are those people you laugh so much at. How can I tell? Easy. Do I have to debate the subject with you to know? No.
Look at your credentials. TA and Buttsuck (and others) have zero credentials. Have a couple (at most) years experience. And nothing more than swimmers physiques (which should be an obvious give-away to everyone).
You would rather listen to TA or buttsuck aka:The_Leafy_Bug (because they are the loudest) than someone with proven experience and credentials -- Milos, Shawn, Chick, etc...this.makes.you.SHEEP.
I'm not saying I'm an expert. I am saying I listen to experts, and respect their input.
Sorry to be so blunt. But all the lurkers are laughing at you. As am I. And you're starting to spam the board.
I won't get into it in detail, but I am 15 or 20 pounds less than I was at my max and in the same condition. Not fatter, but not much leaner, if at all.
I wasn't intentionally following them, but I was subconsciously following them. For instance, I would calorie restrict due to being busy and so on and while I would previously catch myself and force myself to eat, I would let it slide thinking doing so would actually get me leaner (albeit smaller, but leaner).
It's my fault for being an idiot. And now I will be EATING again and be back to where I was by the end of the summer.
From 04-27-2005:
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27403&page=5&pp=20
Good advice!
This whole travesty of a thread is about the validity of the Adonis principles.I havent seen those. Where are they? Can you post them?
Calorie is calorie, but to say protein consumption is insignificant is foolish.
MattC is an intelligent person and he tried them. They failed. If it were so easy, then why aren't more people doing it? How come people in the gym look the same until they start eating a proper diet?
Leafy, look at his lean pictures. He's not overweight by any means.
This whole travesty of a thread is about the validity of the Adonis principles.
Calorie is calorie, but to say protein consumption is insignificant is foolish.
MattC is an intelligent person and he tried them. They failed. If it were so easy, then why aren't more people doing it? How come people in the gym look the same until they start eating a proper diet?
Leafy, look at his lean pictures. He's not overweight by any means.
Good to see it worked for you. I know it didn't work for me. I did lose weight but certainly saw no drop in body fat.
Matt TA's so called principles of common sense and balance of a number of variables is not much more than the gospel as spoken by Mentzer and before him in a less developed, cruder form by iron warriors like Arnold S, Bill Pearl, Reaves, Oliver etc...
i love the way you blame your inability to apply discipline to a pursuit and even still stick by your ridiculous claim despite advising that you ''fell on it''...namely the ''TA'' principle.
theres so much wrong with your post, your claim, and obviously your tiny little brain that i feel that i have to reply so that others who are wanting to keep an open mind wont be shutting it because of clowns like yourself.
your ability to correlate the unrelated and discount everything but a principle that you werent even following would amaze even the most skeptical believers in experimentation and i think you've developed a new technique that the mediacal board should look at using- i think you've stumbled on the triple blind study...
unlike the double blind study which removes all bias to make the results statistically relevant, you now have invented (through your conclusion), the triple blind where not only you and the developer know what method you are using, but neither do you realise it even when looking back over the results.
kinda like an experiment to measure which pill is a steroid and then handing out a bunch of pills that are folic acid..then claiming that the ones that created the most weight loss MUST be the folic acids...
make sense?...lol..no?...hey its no different to your claim...oh i forgot to add one thing...put in this folic acid experiment the fact that the ''users'' dont even know they are using..i.e. hide their tabs in their food....and the tester doesnt know who is receiving the tabs either..
i sincerely hope that no one takes any notice of this guy's claims...but suspect some will give it credence and argue...i wish all those who do that well in their training and life in general.
later.
pretty obsurd huh, especially considering that he terminated the experiment because of his anxiety that he was losing muscle.I suspect matt wasn't working out through this time that he was using TA principles. Take note that he said "i dont want to get into details". I think he did something knowing what the result would be.
Matt don't you realize that this fear of losing muscle was created by the supplement companies to ensure that you never go to long without a dose of whey. You are probably one of these guys that takes a slow absorbing PM protein to ensure that you have enough protein throughout the night, HAHAHA, gayer than getting nighttime protein straight from the tap.
I suspect matt wasn't working out through this time that he was using TA principles. Take note that he said "i dont want to get into details". I think he did something knowing what the result would be.Buttsuck/Leafy Bug - i thought you said a couple of months back you stopped following the principles?
I suspect matt wasn't working out through this time that he was using TA principles. Take note that he said "i dont want to get into details". I think he did something knowing what the result would be.
Buttsuck/Leafy Bug - i thought you said a couple of months back you stopped following the principles?I eat what i want. I was taking more of a daddywaddy type approach a couple of months where i would eat 5000 calories in whatever in a day and then burn it all off with a long work out and cardio. I don't do that anymore but i still eat what i want. The other day i had a cheese cake, some icecream, and some cookies. Just depends what i want to eat.
I eat what i want. I was taking more of a daddywaddy type approach a couple of months where i would eat 5000 calories in whatever in a day and then burn it all off with a long work out and cardio. I don't do that anymore but i still eat what i want. The other day i had a cheese cake, some icecream, and some cookies. Just depends what i want to eat.whats the point in eating what you want if you can only have a couple of mouthfuls? I can see the benefit of going low cal once in a while - but not all the time
whats the point in eating what you want if you can only have a couple of mouthfuls? I can see the benefit of going low cal once in a while - but not all the time
whats the point in eating what you want if you can only have a couple of mouthfuls? I can see the benefit of going low cal once in a while - but not all the timeTrue, which is why when i do cut i try to aim for low calorie high volume foods which typically means healthy food but if you eat mcdonalds 4 times a day and be covered. The fats keep you full for hours. This is why i do well on a keto diet. You name it i have tried it. The point on tying to make is for the typical getbigger who doesn't compete, he can eat what he wants when he wants and not get fat.
The point on tying to make is for the typical getbigger who doesn't compete, he can eat what he wants when he wants and not get fat.
True, which is why when i do cut i try to aim for low calorie high volume foods which typically means healthy food but if you eat mcdonalds 4 times a day and be covered. The fats keep you full for hours. This is why i do well on a keto diet. You name it i have tried it. The point on tying to make is for the typical getbigger who doesn't compete, he can eat what he wants when he wants and lose fat.
Perfect statement. I cant see anyone arguing with you on that one.You could get to 3% on junk but it would require more will power. I can maintain at 8% eating junk. I just don't think it is optimal. Here is an example of why bodybuilding lore pisses me off. Theres a thread on musclemayhem of someone dieting for a contest. In this thread he proceeded to accidentaly take a non diet mountain dew from the cabinet and drink it with out realizing it and then started to freak out and ask if he should drop the show.... alll because of one mountain dew. That is the most delusional shit i have ever heard in my life. I am sick of the lies. You can be lean eating junk, it has been proven. Some of the best physiques on this board follow the TA principles. To be blunt Matt C is a delusional liar.
fixedThx ;D
MattC can out-brain any of his haters 8)
you can't see the benefit of living 20-30 years longer and maintaining your youth and vigor well beyond other members of your cohort who do not eat reduced calories?I'm calling bullshit on that. If it were true Africans, Asians and South Americans would all be living into theri hundreds. Maybe a low cal diet would extend your life by a few years - but certainly not 20 -30
Seems more valuable than all the riches in the world to me.
I'm calling bullshit on that. If it were true Africans, Asians and South Americans would all be living into theri hundreds. Maybe a low cal diet would extend your life by a few years - but certainly not 20 -30The japanese are already out living americans i think by a good 5-7 years with their sushi diets. You wait till the new statistics come in from obese americans dropping dead in their 40s and 50s when this generation meets their maker.
I'm calling bullshit on that. If it were true Africans, Asians and South Americans would all be living into theri hundreds. Maybe a low cal diet would extend your life by a few years - but certainly not 20 -30
MattC can out-brain any of his haters 8)We aren't hating on the guy. Just calling him out as a liar who did an experiment with biased results. I already complimented his pictures. Nothing to hate about here other then his lies.
We aren't hating on the guy. Just calling him out as a liar who did an experiment with biased results. I already complimented his pictures. Nothing to hate about here other then his lies.
Relax man, I was joking.I posted the email message. It was a joke ::)
Have you been sending any love letters to female BB's lately btw? I'm sure that behind the somewhat rational exterior lies a love beast, hungry for some female BB penoris. 8)
I posted the email message. It was a joke ::)
MattC is a good guy, and he's actually very intelligent.
I got an interesting reply from Layne Norton regarding his view on the calories/lifespan link btw. He agrees with you on the correlation between the two, yet addressed a few interesting issues that have yet not been included in the studies, that might be of interest to athletes.
I'm sure it was a joke ::)Funny that you mention it because if you go to the y board and read the threads im the only person who isn't schmoing all over Lori.;D
Funny that you mention it because if you go to the y board and read the threads im the only person who isn't schmoing all over Lori.
I hear that it was more than 1 letter ::)
Pretty hard to keep up the emotional intensity in a series of love letters without having some real lust underneath, eh kid?;D
FBBers can be a guilty pleasure. the idea of a woman with more muscle and a higher sex drive is great, the problem is when they start sounding and looking more like men. Then they just look like pre-op F->M trannies
FBBers can be a guilty pleasure. the idea of a woman with more muscle and a higher sex drive is great, the problem is when they start sounding and looking more like men. Then they just look like pre-op F->M trannies
Check this former resident hottie:
You could get to 3% on junk but it would require more will power. I can maintain at 8% eating junk. I just don't think it is optimal. Here is an example of why bodybuilding lore pisses me off. Theres a thread on musclemayhem of someone dieting for a contest. In this thread he proceeded to accidentaly take a non diet mountain dew from the cabinet and drink it with out realizing it and then started to freak out and ask if he should drop the show.... alll because of one mountain dew. That is the most delusional shit i have ever heard in my life. I am sick of the lies. You can be lean eating junk, it has been proven. Some of the best physiques on this board follow the TA principles. To be blunt Matt C is a delusional liar.
Matt C- Why are you an expert? This is in regards to your expert label stars.
Why did you post that crab shot on page 18?
Do you have lumbar pain / shooting leg pain after your deadlift days?
This is a quote from you
"I won't get into it in detail, but I am 15 or 20 pounds less than I was at my max and in the same condition. Not fatter, but not much leaner, if at all.
I wasn't intentionally following them, but I was subconsciously following them".
Why don't you ask Adonis if he can help you work his system the way it should be worked? It appears to have worked for him and bast. He likely does not intend it to be worked "subconsciously". If you do it properly then maybe your critique of his system will hold more weight.
matt c is an intelligent person.....omg.. i really feel for the fools here- but then you guys have always been here and always will.
Look carefully at my expert labels... ;D
Although I know more about the history of bodybuilding and the bodybuilding industry than some who do have real labels. It wouldn't be so horrible should Ron choose to make me an expert.
I posted a crab shot to show my progress since resuming a normal diet. As the weeks go by, I will continue to improve.
I have no back pain and have never had an injury or anything close to one. My deadlift form needs improvement though, I know.
I followed TA's diet against my better judgment. I should say that the belief his principles would work was subconscious which manifested into me truly using his principles. I WAS following despite not WANTING to believe they worked, but subconsciously, the thought they would was very strong. The result was horrendous - a smaller version of myself. Possibly fatter, but definitely not leaner.
Matt, I don't know why anyone doubted your experience with the principles. I mean your case showed just how bogus Adonis' principles really are. Yet, I still saw people defending the principles by calling you a liar. ::)
As I said earlier, a person is the best possible judge of their own body. If you honestly felt that you were losing, then everyone here should believe you.
My intelligence was never in question on this board. ::) This sometimes (RARELY) comes up in real life too, when someone questions my intelligence. Holding a genius level IQ (tested) and just shy of a Master's degree in math, I don't need to prove anything. I have such a good track record at this point I don't have to. It seems that you are unaware of it though. Go do a google search of my name and achievements than get back to me.
By the way, not a soul on this board thinks that TA is smarter than me overall. If you knew all the facts and still felt that way, you would be very ignorant to make that claim, given that it is a fact I am smarter than him (not opinion and not open for debate).
Lastly (but most importantly), TA WAS JUST FUCKING WITH EVERYONE. My god...he never seriously meant anything he said, he was just looking for a reaction like this because multiple 20+ page threads about him help him to validate his self esteem and assess his self worth. See, I also have a psychology degree. ;D
they are malnourished
the protocal is CRON (google it) calorie restriction with optimal nutrition.
I think you are an idiot
I think you are an idiot
A lot of people think you're an idiot too. :)
Some will. There is an expression that people can appreciate whether they are religious or not:
"God is perfect, and some people hate him."
I could be Einstein and some people will still think I'm an idiot. The reality is that is far and away the minority opinion and certainly more people on here and in life in general think that of TA.
I think you are an idiot
MattC is one of the most intelligent people on this board. No question about it.
your statement does not necessarily contradict mine.
What it means is that you did not base your statement on any kind of commonly accepted objective criteria for intelligence, while I did. Perhaps you just don't like him ;D
no that's not what your statement meant. It might have been what you were thinking when you wrote it.
I'm starting to like him less and less. I think his argument tactic in this thread--ignore rebuttal and reassert original claim--is either cowardly, indicative of low intellect, or both.
That's what my statement meant. Matt included data about his IQ (top2%) and academic achievements, two commonly accepted indicators of intelligence, and my statement was written in that context a few posts after his. It is very obvious.
His Getbig antics is not a good way to evaluate his intelligence.
no that's not what your statement meant. It might have been what you were thinking when you wrote it.
I'm starting to like him less and less. I think his argument tactic in this thread--ignore rebuttal and reassert original claim--is either cowardly, indicative of low intellect, or both.
first of all his claimed IQ is not an indicator of anything except that he claims it. Second neither an IQ in the top 2% nor "almost" getting a masters in math is something to brag about.
Third I am right about the meaning of your statement. If you mean to say something do it with words, clearly and concisely, I'm not a mind reader.
Like I said, I think TA is bullshitting everyone which is why it's hard to take this thread very seriously. Also, I think my pictures will prove my point as time goes by which is why I'm not refuting much of anything yet.
I'm not sure about the IQ, since that is something I was born with, but definitely try getting a Master's degree in math and come back and make that statement - it is bloody damn hard to do! And math always came easily to me.
DF - thanks. :)
Like I said, I think TA is bullshitting everyone which is why it's hard to take this thread very seriously. Also, I think my pictures will prove my point as time goes by which is why I'm not refuting much of anything yet.honestly, why did you even try the 'TA principles' in the first place?
I'm not sure about the IQ, since that is something I was born with, but definitely try getting a Master's degree in math and come back and make that statement - it is bloody damn hard to do! And math always came easily to me.
DF - thanks. :)
first of all his claimed IQ is not an indicator of anything except that he claims it. Second neither an IQ in the top 2% nor "almost" getting a masters in math is something to brag about.
Third I am right about the meaning of your statement. If you mean to say something do it with words, clearly and concisely, I'm not a mind reader.
A Mensa level IQ (132+) is an indicator of high intelligence. It is far from mind blowing when a person is in the 130 - 145 range, but it is still concidered "high intelligence".
He'll soon have his masters in math, and he's done well in mathematical competitions earlier in his life. That is an indicator of high intelligence as well.
Regarding my statement, you can not expect everything to be expressed with 100% clearity, especially in an arena like this. It was fairly evident that I based my statements on MattC's post. Nobody expects you to be a mind reader, but you should be able to interpret something like my statement. Thus, I am correct.
"you did not base your statement on any kind of commonly accepted objective criteria for intelligence, while I did."
!=
"MattC is one of the most intelligent people on this board. No question about it."
I win
Go ahead and take a leap of faith... That is if rejecting all science and logic or make things harder for yourself makes sense then so be it. It doesn't have to be hard. I dropped 70 pounds in 4.5 months eating what i wanted. I didn't lose an ounce of muscle.
You took it out of context.
Only a moron would see a statement out of context.
You also used your "word for word" standard again, which is not applicable to my statement.
I win.
;D
"leafy bug" obviously has no idea how much fat 70-lbs truly is. and there is no way in hell he lost that in 4.5 months. heres why:
please follow closely:
a lb of fat contains 3,500 calories. that means that you have to burn 3,500 calories over and above what you eat per day to burn 1 lb of fat.
so a person in a 350 calorie deficit per day will burn 1 lbs of fat in 10 days. get it!?
NOW HERES THE FUNNY PART: IN ORDER FOR LEAFY BUG TO HAVE BURNED 70 LBS OF PURE FAT IN 4.5 MONTHS, HE WOULDVE HAD TO BE IN A 2000 CALORIE PER DAY DEFICIT!! LOLOL!!!!!!!!!
THAT WOULD MEAN HES BURNING 2000 CALORIES MORE PER DAY THAN HES TAKING IN!!!
i dont think he realizes the ridiculous claim hes making.
70 lbs of fat contains 245,00 calories.
provide evidence of modifying context
See earlier pages.
you didn't account for water loss.
yes I saw them and none of them modifies statement 1 so as to give it the same meaning of statement 2.
support your claim, you have conceeded literal meaning, so you must show contextual meaning is different.
MattC is one of the most intelligent people on this board. No question about it.-> A clear reference back to MattC's post when seen against your statement.
i dont have to...he said he lost "70 lbs of fat in 4.5 months" im simply describing the thermodynamic miracle that would have to occur for that to happen.
Your honor, Lawyer Donald Lawrence presents the evidence on behalf of his client DF:
1: MattC's original post: 01:02:39. ShiftedShapes quoted his claim 01:46:22, where he called him an idiot. The quote contained objective indicators of high intelligence which ShiftedShapes chose to ignore in his reply. That in turn makes his statement entirely subjective. This also sets the context where MattC's claims are in focus. Your statement also clearly show your subjective agenda, you want to redicule him, an act of "I don't like you".
2: DF then replies to your subjective statement 01:53:25 PM where your statement is quoted. DF writes: -> A clear reference back to MattC's post when seen against your statement.
* The context is set via a series of quotes, a commonly accepted way of establishing context in the online world.
* The "no question about it" is within this context a clear reference back to MattC's claims. You can not question objective evidence.
3: I, Donald Lawrence, presents clear evidence of context, proven in a 2 step commonly accepted context establishing act created within the limited world of online debating. Online debating tools like quotes are mechanisms which speaks clear words.
4: I Donald Lawrence would like to countersue ShiftedShapes for harassment against my new client MattC.
Thank you your honor.
PS: Bitches, my services are available for $477/hour.
haha this is great that you replied it means that you are worth replying to because you are willing to give back.
im going home from work now, but I will take this up when I'm next bored or trying to avoid thinking about HUNGER!
Matt is a fucking moron.
He keeps lying. My methods are sound as can be.
At least he doesn't randomly capitalize things and use backward apostrophes for every bloody contraction :-\
Speaking of lies, you're on pretty thin ice yourself there "Adam." I think any of us with memories await the deadlift video, the video with Waddy, the miracle formula you devised but -- as you would write it -- "all of Science" [sic] has yet to discover, the gravity suit, proof that you didn't lose any muscle whilst dieting from a fatbody 240 to a scrawny 150, etc., etc.
At least he doesn't randomly capitalize things and use backward apostrophes for every bloody contraction :-\You mean like the first letters of sentences and proper nouns?
Speaking of lies, you're on pretty thin ice yourself there "Adam." I think any of us with memories await the deadlift video, the video with Waddy, the miracle formula you devised but -- as you would write it -- "all of Science" [sic] has yet to discover, the gravity suit, proof that you didn't lose any muscle whilst dieting from a fatbody 240 to a scrawny 150, etc., etc.
That's what my statement meant. Matt included data about his IQ (top2%) and academic achievements, two commonly accepted indicators of intelligence, and my statement was written in that context a few posts after his. It is very obvious.Human intelligence is possible to measure. The only way to measure it is to disect the human brain and see how dense the neural net is. IQ tests are biased and measure how well you take tests.
His Getbig antics is not a good way to evaluate his intelligence.
Of course i didn't mean 70 pounds of pure fat. Hell half of it was probably water.
"leafy bug" obviously has no idea how much fat 70-lbs truly is. and there is no way in hell he lost that in 4.5 months. heres why:
please follow closely:
a lb of fat contains 3,500 calories. that means that you have to burn 3,500 calories over and above what you eat per day to burn 1 lb of fat.
so a person in a 350 calorie deficit per day will burn 1 lbs of fat in 10 days. get it!?
NOW HERES THE FUNNY PART: IN ORDER FOR LEAFY BUG TO HAVE BURNED 70 LBS OF PURE FAT IN 4.5 MONTHS, HE WOULDVE HAD TO BE IN A 2000 CALORIE PER DAY DEFICIT!! LOLOL!!!!!!!!!
THAT WOULD MEAN HES BURNING 2000 CALORIES MORE PER DAY THAN HES TAKING IN!!!
i dont think he realizes the ridiculous claim hes making.
70 lbs of fat contains 245,00 calories.
I agree. I don't understand why Team TA can't agree that certain things simply work better for some people than others. Maybe TA's principles would work for someone else, but they don't for me. Human bodies aren't exactly the same. For example, I could eat junk food until I'm blue in the face and it would take months and months before you would notice any appreciable increase in body fat on me, while with others you can see the change within days.My best wishes go out to you Matt. I truly hope you get better soon. Muscualr distrophy is a terrible disease and i wish you the best of luck for your future.
The pictures below are not before and after pictures from the TA principles, but the ones I will post will be similar (body weight is in the 150s and in the 180s, about a 25-30 pound difference):
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174694;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174696;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174698;image)
Do I look any leaner in the smaller pictures? NO. I am smaller AND fatter and that is exactly where I was leading towards on the TA principles. I know that based on past experience on low calorie diets, I would have simply dropped to the 150s in the same body fat as before. Not to mention, TA would be laughing at me. As it is now, I will be 200+ by September and just as lean as I am now if not leaner.
Cee21Jay - thanks! I plan to hit a 500 pound deadlift this year.
Human intelligence is possible to measure. The only way to measure it is to disect the human brain and see how dense the neural net is. IQ tests are biased and measure how well you take tests.
I agree. I don't understand why Team TA can't agree that certain things simply work better for some people than others. Maybe TA's principles would work for someone else, but they don't for me. Human bodies aren't exactly the same. For example, I could eat junk food until I'm blue in the face and it would take months and months before you would notice any appreciable increase in body fat on me, while with others you can see the change within days.
The pictures below are not before and after pictures from the TA principles, but the ones I will post will be similar (body weight is in the 150s and in the 180s, about a 25-30 pound difference):
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174694;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174696;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174698;image)
Do I look any leaner in the smaller pictures? NO. I am smaller AND fatter and that is exactly where I was leading towards on the TA principles. I know that based on past experience on low calorie diets, I would have simply dropped to the 150s in the same body fat as before. Not to mention, TA would be laughing at me. As it is now, I will be 200+ by September and just as lean as I am now if not leaner.
Cee21Jay - thanks! I plan to hit a 500 pound deadlift this year.
Yes you do look leaner in the lighter pictures. Look how your face is sunken in and you have clearer separation in your back and arms.
Matt is a fucking moron.
He keeps lying. My methods are sound as can be.
At least he doesn't randomly capitalize things and use backward apostrophes for every bloody contraction :-\
Yes you do look leaner in the lighter pictures. Look how your face is sunken in and you have clearer separation in your back and arms.
Yes you do look leaner in the lighter pictures. Look how your face is sunken in and you have clearer separation in your back and arms.Are you kidding Bast? He is clearly atleast 10% in the bulked picture. Matt C is a human wonder. Someday maybe we will see in on the olympia stage.
Are you kidding Bast? He is clearly atleast 10% in the bulked picture. Matt C is a human wonder. Someday maybe we will see in on the olympia stage.
i eat fast food very often in the offseason, yet really do not get fat..of course though, adonis' diet is bullshit. he's just trying to get attention/be annoying.
obviously, to lose weight, your total caloric intake must be below your maitinence.
junk foods, like donuts and mcdonalds, are extremely calorie dense, so you cannot eat a great deal of that type of food while staying under your maitinence.
for example, say someones maitinence is 3000 calories a day.
under the 'adonis diet', to just MAINTAIN, not lose weight. you could eat about the following daily
3 dougnuts
big mac
some fries
a small drink
DAILY.
lets say you eat say..5 times daily
each meal divded would be
1 fifth of a big mac
1 fifth of an order of fries
2/3rds of a dounut
1 5th of a soda
and how much protein would you get out of all that total, like 20-30 grams??
i would be starving, and waste away.
come on...
Clearly under 20%, yep!i hear christian bale used the adonis principles to achieve his monster physique in the masochist.
Good luck to anyone who applies TA's principles with success. I would have been ready for Auschwitz had I been on the program much longer. :-X
i hear christian bale used the adonis principles to achieve his monster physique in the masochist.Christian Bale in the machinst owns 99% of getbig hahahahaha
i hear christian bale used the adonis principles to achieve his monster physique in the masochist.
LOL!!! ;D
Christian Bale after long term use of the TA principles:
My intelligence was never in question on this board. ::)
This sometimes (RARELY) comes up in real life too, when someone questions my intelligence. Holding a genius level IQ (tested) and just shy of a Master's degree in math, I don't need to prove anything.
I have such a good track record at this point I don't have to.
It seems that you are unaware of it though. Go do a google search of my name and achievements than get back to me.
You gotta be shitting me, right? If this is true, then I feel sorry for the state of American universities if a guy like you can almost earn a masters degree in math. As for the genius I.Q, take the test www.iqtest.com and let me know. I scored in the 99.36%.
Yes you do look leaner in the lighter pictures. Look how your face is sunken in and you have clearer separation in your back and arms.
Your physique was never on par with Matt C's.
Despite of what you took.
Kind of ironic, isn't it?
-Hedge
Good that you put the rolleyes emoticon at the end, because this truly could only possibly be a sarcastic statement.
You gotta be shitting me, right? If this is true, then I feel sorry for the state of American universities if a guy like you can almost earn a masters degree in math. As for the genius I.Q, take the test www.iqtest.com (http://www.iqtest.com) and let me know. I scored in the 99.36%.
Your track record is terrible. At least in this board.
Ok. What's your name?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I didn't say I was smarter than you. You seem pretty intelligent and articulate. I don't think you quite understand that no matter how you slice it, bodybuilding is subjective (Re: Ronnie VS. Dorian). You are kind of like ND though. Just because I disagree with you, it automatically means that I am unintelligent in some generalized type of way. I can say that while I disagree with you on certain bodybuilding topics I know you are smart in other areas. Like some girls I know who are bitches but good looking. Some guys I know will lash out and say they are ugly but I stick with the facts. Yes, they are bitchy, but not ugly. :) Just because I disagree with you on some bodybuilding topics doesn't mean I am not intelligent overall. That is just your bias coming out. Regarding my intelligence, I could make you eat your words with any claim that I am not intelligent. Lastly, I have a very long track record in math including high placings in national math contests, so really - don't both trying to dare suggest I am not smart in math - seriously, just don't.
You mean like the first letters of sentences and proper nouns?
;D
Your physique was never on par with Matt C's.
Despite of what you took.
Kind of ironic, isn't it?
-Hedge
first of all his claimed IQ is not an indicator of anything except that he claims it. Second neither an IQ in the top 2% nor "almost" getting a masters in math is something to brag about.
Wait, you say Bast doesn't have a better physique than matt c? ???
Actually almost getting a Master's degree in math and already having completed all my undergrad work is plenty to brag about. You think it's easy to get a math degree? Like I said, go try it if that's how you think. The percentage of people in the world who hold degrees in math is a very small one.
Is that such a virgin thought? 8)
-Hedge
If I were you I wouldn't even bother replying to that pleb. He's probably still in high school or some sort of unemployed loser. :)
I'm 15, so I'm supposed to be unemployed and in High School. What's your excuse for living w/ your parents on a weekly allowance?
Why can't you just accept that the TA principles don't work for everyone?
Discuss.
Matt, why don't you train wheels?
I'm 15, so I'm supposed to be unemployed and in High School. What's your excuse for living w/ your parents on a weekly allowance?
I was referring to suckmymuscle, but, if you want to be him that's ok.
Is that such a virgin thought? 8)
-Hedge
Here is a brief posing clip. Notice the dude who walks in at the end? ;DHahahah dude you gotta be like 5'2 or something.... now lets look at the facts. Look up any natural bodybuilder who competes in just about any real natural federation that are all around the height of "5'9" ::)(you appear to be shorter). You will notice that the biggest they get to be is about 160 pounds at their leanest. Some might be in the mid 160s but most are in the low 160's to high 150's. You claim you were 180 in your before pictures and that you were at 14% bf (even though you appear more like (17-20%).... soooooo if you were 180 at 14% that would mean you would have to be 160 pounds on the dot if you were to cut down but you are more realistically like 20% so that means 151 pounds cut. You didn't lose any muscle your arrogant putz ahahahah. You are delusional. Ok when i cut down from 220 i saw no visual change until i got to be about 165 and then things started coming together. This is what cutting is about. You are going to get down on yourself and say, "i look like a damn skinny fat" but you have to keep pushing and pushing until you are at your breaking point. This is why bodybuilding isn't for everyone. Not everyone is strong enough mentaly to keep pushing and to discover new frontiers. It is only natural Matt. It is almost like a growing experience. I believe before any major change can occur in a physique you ahve to go through a meltdown and that is exactly what you had except instead of turning it into something positive you quit. This whole thread is one giant meltdown. You are weak minded, end of story.
Here is a brief posing clip. Notice the dude who walks in at the end? ;D
Hahahah dude you gotta be like 5'2 or something.... now lets look at the facts. Look up any natural bodybuilder who competes in just about any real natural federation that are all around the height of "5'9" ::)(you appear to be shorter). You will notice that the biggest they get to be is about 160 pounds at their leanest. Some might be in the mid 160s but most are in the low 160's to high 150's. You claim you were 180 in your before pictures and that you were at 14% bf (even though you appear more like (17-20%).... soooooo if you were 180 at 14% that would mean you would have to be 160 pounds on the dot if you were to cut down but you are more realistically like 20% so that means 151 pounds cut. You didn't lose any muscle your arrogant putz ahahahah. You are delusional. Ok when i cut down from 220 i saw no visual change until i got to be about 165 and then things started coming together. This is what cutting is about. You are going to get down on yourself and say, "i look like a damn skinny fat" but you have to keep pushing and pushing until you are at your breaking point. This is why bodybuilding isn't for everyone. Not everyone is strong enough mentaly to keep pushing and to discover new frontiers. It is only natural Matt. It is almost like a growing experience. I believe before any major change can occur in a physique you ahve to go through a meltdown and that is exactly what you had except instead of turning it into something positive you quit. This whole thread is one giant meltdown. You are weak minded, end of story.Quoted for truth.
Quoted for truth.
Here is a brief posing clip. Notice the dude who walks in at the end? ;D
damn Matt....looks like the principles ruined you, you look like shit there.
Why did you change what you were doing if it worked for you?
Hahahah dude you gotta be like 5'2 or something.... now lets look at the facts. Look up any natural bodybuilder who competes in just about any real natural federation that are all around the height of "5'9" ::)(you appear to be shorter). You will notice that the biggest they get to be is about 160 pounds at their leanest. Some might be in the mid 160s but most are in the low 160's to high 150's. You claim you were 180 in your before pictures and that you were at 14% bf (even though you appear more like (17-20%).... soooooo if you were 180 at 14% that would mean you would have to be 160 pounds on the dot if you were to cut down but you are more realistically like 20% so that means 151 pounds cut. You didn't lose any muscle your arrogant putz ahahahah. You are delusional. Ok when i cut down from 220 i saw no visual change until i got to be about 165 and then things started coming together. This is what cutting is about. You are going to get down on yourself and say, "i look like a damn skinny fat" but you have to keep pushing and pushing until you are at your breaking point. This is why bodybuilding isn't for everyone. Not everyone is strong enough mentaly to keep pushing and to discover new frontiers. It is only natural Matt. It is almost like a growing experience. I believe before any major change can occur in a physique you ahve to go through a meltdown and that is exactly what you had except instead of turning it into something positive you quit. This whole thread is one giant meltdown. You are weak minded, end of story.
Because we all basically have the same bodies and are beholden to the same laws of physics. So I answered your question, now give mine a shot:
Why do you insist that the principles (really let's call it Caloric Restriction with Optimal Nutrition ("CRON") as that is the generally accepted term) didn't work for you a) without any basis in objective data (aside from your highly subjective impression, which is consistent with your previously established pattern of destructive and obsessional self-critique), and b) despite the fact your trial was abortive and not implemented in a regimented manner (you claim to have been following the principles subconsciously and acknowledge that you slacked on training)?
damn Matt....looks like the principles ruined you, you look like shit there.
Why did you change what you were doing if it worked for you?
I wouldn't think for one second Matt C. had a better build than Bast.
Bast owns him.
Well, Bast also eats dbol. He was juiced for Mr.Getbig.
No, I had only taken Andro 6 months prior to Mr. Getbig. Nothing other than that supplement.
If the TA principles work and are easier than conventional dieting, why wouldn't all competitive bodybuilders do it? I think it is the height of arrogance for an uneducated person like TA to claim that he is right and 99% of people in the industry are wrong.
All I know is that TA has a funny looking face. He looks like a creature from Lord of teh rings.
Does TA have a sister? If so, what does she look like? It would give an idea of how good looking TA is based on family genetics.
Does TA have a sister? If so, what does she look like? It would give an idea of how good looking TA is based on family genetics.
:)
Matt, you should enter the Mr. Getbig and beat Adonis! I mean you've already exposed him and his so called 'principles', so why not add insult to injury?
Bast, what was your body weight in the Mr. Getbig contest?
161lbs I think.
Matt, you should enter the Mr. Getbig and beat Adonis! I mean you've already exposed him and his so called 'principles', so why not add insult to injury?
What's your height?
5' 6.5-7"
Now without refuting specific points brought up, I have a general question for Team TA: why should anyone acknowledge TA when he lied about having a university degree in physics? He isn't even able to say which institution he went to. In an AIM conversation, he also said that he had nothing to do with his picture appearing on wikipedia, meanwhile in the wiki chat page for that article, it was said that TA asked for his picture to appear there.
So before I say anything, why should anyone on here trust a liar? Can someone please answer this question before I address any further points on here.
This is a sincere question and I'm not saying it to hate. I would like an answer please.He isn't a liar...
haha, a friend of mine just posted this picture. I like this one. ;Ddamn that chick is short Matt, cute though.
He isn't a liar...
I'm up for that! I'm not saying I would beat TA, I'm just saying that not applying his principles would work better for me than applying them. Different strokes, different folks. :)
How much would Bast weigh if his leg development was proportional to his upper body development?
So you're in the Mr. Getbig Matt?What methods? The guy can't even stick to a diet. If he did enter it he would drop out. He wouldn't want to lose any of his precious hard earned "muscle".
If so, be sure to document the methods you use.
Are you saying that TA has not made a single lie or false claim on Getbig?Im saying if you were smart you could see through the bullshit and catch the gest of the message.
Im saying if you were smart you could see through the bullshit and catch the gest of the message.exactly, the important thing is that the guy looks phenomenal and practices what he preaches diet wise.
What methods? The guy can't even stick to a diet. If he did enter it he would drop out. He wouldn't want to lose any of his precious hard earned "muscle".
damn that chick is short Matt, cute though.
I'm assuming he has a method he believes is better than TA's method. Isn't that why he started this thread? Maybe I'm wrong.If he can't cut down eating what he wants he sure as hell can't cut down clean. He will see just as much mass drop off of him and he will tuck tail and run the other direction eating himself back onto the verge of breaking 20% bf.
I'd be interested in what that method he does choose and how it compares to TA's.
TA is competing again, right?
For sure! She claims to be 5'0, but I'm thinking she's a little under. Her height really matches her face and personality though. She will be 21 soon but looks younger. Super cute but I always think a girl who looks like that would be hard to please.have you had sex with her, matt?
have you had sex with her, matt?
If he can't cut down eating what he wants he sure as hell can't cut down clean. He will see just as much mass drop off of him and he will tuck tail and run the other direction eating himself back onto the verge of breaking 20% bf.
I don't see this as being 20% body fat, I just have very weak abs. If they were developed, no one would guess that I had 20% body fat:What bf do you think you have there?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=154295.0;attach=174794;image)
For sure! She claims to be 5'0, but I'm thinking she's a little under. Her height really matches her face and personality though. She will be 21 soon but looks younger. Super cute but I always think a girl who looks like that would be hard to please.
Where do you get that idea?
Unless Matt is a thug or bad boy, he'd have trouble keeping that bitch..
The right thing to do would be to date for a few months while hitting it every night and then bail.
Where do you get that idea?
I don't know...it's just this on demand lifestyle that has been ushered in thanks to Bill Gates. It seems like everybody always wants MORE MORE MORE. And even top quality things are considered not good enough very quickly. People seem to always want new and exciting...and when they get it, it becomes old and boring. You know what I mean?
What bf do you think you have there?
Because we all basically have the same bodies and are beholden to the same laws of physics. So I answered your question, now give mine a shot:
Why do you insist that the principles (really let's call it Caloric Restriction with Optimal Nutrition ("CRON") as that is the generally accepted term) didn't work for you a) without any basis in objective data (aside from your highly subjective impression, which is consistent with your previously established pattern of destructive and obsessional self-critique), and b) despite the fact your trial was abortive and not implemented in a regimented manner (you claim to have been following the principles subconsciously and acknowledge that you slacked on training)?
I would say I'm 95% confident it falls between 12-16%.
DF - I do treat her like every other girl. Same goes for every girl. I don't give any of them special treatment, but at the same time I think that even Brad Pitt would have a hard time pleasing girls today. I look at it as a cultural norm. Monogamy is very outdated it seems.
I don't agree with you regarding the pleasing thing. Some people out there want's monogamy, if you want it as well, you just gotta seek until you find the girl good enough for you.
I don't know...it's just this feeling I get from girls in my generation. There are always exceptions though.
That's my point, there are exeptions out there, and it's your job to find them.
Let's say 2,5% of girls are the types you're looking for, just go for dating 100 over X amount of time. As Fagboy/Goatboy once said: nothing worth having is easy. ;D
funny how Matt dodged this one even after I answered his question.Because we all basically have the same bodies and are beholden to the same laws of physics. So I answered your question, now give mine a shot:
very well put. you have to be CONSISTENT with training or you SHRINK and can get weaker a little bit of both
The body will only keep the muscle it needs....you have to keep your body under pressure, otherwise it will shed the useless muscle
Shedding useless muscle.....hmmm such as what happens in a hypocaloric state during prolonged times of intense training??
Nawwwwwwwwwww......that couldnt be....
if that happened how would you ever have the ability to catch food...or the modern equivalent keep up your bench, or for me, my iron cross presses.
if that happened how would you ever have the ability to catch food...or the modern equivalent keep up your bench, or for me, my iron cross presses.I wouldn't go there if i were you..... he might think the world is 5000 years old.
I wouldn't go there if i were you..... he might think the world is 5000 years old.
Brutal hint that religious people are dumbasses.Brutal interpretation of the innuendo
I wouldn't go there if i were you..... he might think the world is 5000 years old.
Or he might think that arguing with inexperienced people is a waste of time. As a tribute to the old Scooby-Doo:90% of population: Kill jesus!! Kill jesus!! He is trying to over throw the empire!!
Cops: See that GetBig Leafy and Shifted are freaks of nature. They are monsters. Look at what they eat. They LOVE being 150lb soaking wet. They have proven that you dont need to eat the traditional bodybuilding diet. In a few years they will compete and wipe the stage clean with their revolutionary diet.
90% Of GetBig: You right....and we would have gotten away with it if it hadnt of been for those meddling kids.
Perhaps more when i get back from class....
90% of population: Kill jesus!! Kill jesus!! He is trying to over throw the empire!!
10% : Jesus stands for a rightful cause. He is not trying to start a revolution.
Would you like more examples of when the majority of the population has been incorrect? Ha!! I got one.
60% of population: Vote George Bush!! He will do what is right for the country.
40%: DONT VOTE FOR BUSH!! He only cares about the oil industry!!
Perhaps more when i get back from class....
Go on with your bad self. You life seems to center around this message board. Look at when I have joined....and when you RE-JOINED....then look at your post count. HA HA HA. Epic message board fanaticism.Because i am vocal about my opinion make this the center on my life? Yeah you are right.... i bet you are the guy who sits in the back and shakes his head in agreement even if he doesn't agree with what is going on. Hahaha you follow the status quo like a miserable sheep.
Because i am vocal about my opinion make this the center on my life? Yeah you are right.... i bet you are the guy who sits in the back and shakes his head in agreement even if he doesn't agree with what is going on. Hahaha you follow the status quo like a miserable sheep.
over 30 posts aday is alot especially for someone your age IMO. If you're in the kind of shape your in why don't you go out and try to get some babes? Or is this more important to you? That's actually an honest question, I'm not even trying to be a smart ass.The first few days of this account i was active. I am in the gym twice a day now. I am on a 3 week double split so everything is trained every other day and im doing cardio twice a day and school on top of that so as of now its pretty much like going to train every other hour of the day im awake. Im sure i could go out for girls but i wouldn't have much time to spend on them.... at least not in these next fews months. I have plans in the works. I am just hoping i will follow through and everything will be a success.
TIm sure i could go out for girls but i wouldn't have much time to spend on them....
The first few days of this account i was active. I am in the gym twice a day now. I am on a 3 week double split so everything is trained every other day and im doing cardio twice a day and school on top of that so as of now its pretty much like going to train every other hour of the day im awake. Im sure i could go out for girls but i wouldn't have much time to spend on them.... at least not in these next fews months. I have plans in the works. I am just hoping i will follow through and everything will be a success.
Because i am vocal about my opinion make this the center on my life? Yeah you are right.... i bet you are the guy who sits in the back and shakes his head in agreement even if he doesn't agree with what is going on. Hahaha you follow the status quo like a miserable sheep.
Ha Ha.....actually in class I usually sat in the 2nd or 3rd rows.....got pissed if people talked in class....and listened to what was said. I was paying to learn, so why sit and have a debate with the instructor on other peoples dime! I follow the staus quo huh? By that right I should be an obese fuck like most americans are. You want everyone to eat like this right? Hmm...I am no philospher....but if the MAJORITY of people follow what you want them to.....wouldnt that make them miserable sheep following the staus quo? Brutal irony.....
Thanks for confirming that you are a TOOL.
Hypnotized by authority, intollerant of dissent.
Ha Ha.....actually in class I usually sat in the 2nd or 3rd rows.....got pissed if people talked in class....and listened to what was said. I was paying to learn, so why sit and have a debate with the instructor on other peoples dime! I follow the staus quo huh? By that right I should be an obese fuck like most americans are. You want everyone to eat like this right? Hmm...I am no philospher....but if the MAJORITY of people follow what you want them to.....wouldnt that make them miserable sheep following the staus quo? Brutal irony.....I never said i wanted everyone to eat like this. I said it is possible. Brutal interpretating any form of literature into what you want it to say to reaffirm your own beliefs.
A few comments:Hahaha wow... did you guys just see that 360 he pulled? So you admit they work? Because before you said they didn't work and they were a lie. You admit defeat and i accept your surrender.
I have great genetics for staying lean, and can eat whatever I want and HOWEVER MUCH I want and stay at my current level of body fat. I was the second child my mother had and at 5'3 she only exceeded 100 pounds after I was born. Before that she had never been 100 pounds in her life. My sisters have never looked at a treadmill in their lives or watch their diets and have no significant body fat levels. My older sister has a better metabolism than my younger sister and I because hers is efficient at burning fat but also at preserving muscle. I'm not so lucky, I burn muscle very fast. I found that using TA's principles, I dropped over 20 pounds with no noticeable improvements in definition. I did lose weight restricting calories, but that weight being muscle and fat. It's funny I can post pictures of tons of my relatives who prove that my metabolism and body type does not fall into this average that Team TA suggests it does.
For all of those who used the TA principles with success - congratulations. They didn't work for me. What part of that don't you understand?
Lastly, I can post anything from blood work to body fat analysis test results to pictures and anything in between proving that the conventional bodybuilding diet has worked better for me than TA's principles and Team TA would STILL deny it. Unlike TA, I have ALWAYS proven my claims when it comes to my maximum lifts, education, nutrition program results and anything else. TA on the other hand said he would post McDonald's receipts and he didn't, he said he deadlifted 225 for 112 reps with no proof and he said he had a degree in physics and has posted nothing. Yet we are to believe him?
Hahaha wow... did you guys just see that 360 he pulled? So you admit they work? Because before you said they didn't work and they were a lie. You admit defeat and i accept your surrender.
Well...I still think TA is just bullshitting us and trying to fuck with people. BUT...if they did in fact work for some people (not me), than congratulations. What I'm saying is they didn't work for me, but bodybuilding is very individualized and what works for one person may not work for someone else.
Brutal interpretating any form of literature into what you want it to say to reaffirm your own beliefs.
You did not apply the principles, and you did not lose muscle.
Pathetic.
The body will only keep the muscle it needs....you have to keep your body under pressure, otherwise it will shed the useless muscle
He may not have followed the 'principles'.....but which is....he cant lose muscle....or can can lose muscle?
YOU SHOULD HAVE SPENT MORE TIME IN SCHOOL LEARNING HOW TO REASON AND ARGUE AND LESS TIME PASSIVELY ABSORBING "LESSONS."
Epic use of caps lock to demonstrate shouting. Getting under your skin are we?
While I was an undergraduate student at NYU, majoring in business of course, my love of finance was only usurped by my love of females.
I remember the days, ah how good they were. I would study, do a few laps around the park, and then go babe hunting. We'd have a game, where we'd compete how many babes we could get a week.
I ate enough to not be hungry and had some abs. But I was 18 to 22 while an undergrad. Muscles did not interest me. In fact, in my time, it was considered a homosexual act to have muscles.
The leafy bug, you are still young. Take a break from pursuing the ideal body; while having one is healthy, the pursuit of one isn't. I imagine you're a social outcast without many friends, especially girlfriends. Leave your obsession with weightlifing alone until after college. I promise you , you will not get fat. I bet if you just ride the train you're on now you'll still be very fit when you're out of college. Go out, meet people. It's much more satisfying than abs.
I guarantee you you will regret obsessing over your body while abandoning all else college years of your life have to offer. You're not a bad looking guy. Develop a personality and you will have great fun.
Thanks for reading,
Paul Allen
While I was an undergraduate student at NYU, majoring in business of course, my love of finance was only usurped by my love of females.
I remember the days, ah how good they were. I would study, do a few laps around the park, and then go babe hunting. We'd have a game, where we'd compete how many babes we could get a week.
I ate enough to not be hungry and had some abs. But I was 18 to 22 while an undergrad. Muscles did not interest me. In fact, in my time, it was considered a homosexual act to have muscles.
The leafy bug, you are still young. Take a break from pursuing the ideal body; while having one is healthy, the pursuit of one isn't. I imagine you're a social outcast without many friends, especially girlfriends. Leave your obsession with weightlifing alone until after college. I promise you , you will not get fat. I bet if you just ride the train you're on now you'll still be very fit when you're out of college. Go out, meet people. It's much more satisfying than abs.
I guarantee you you will regret obsessing over your body while abandoning all else college years of your life have to offer. You're not a bad looking guy. Develop a personality and you will have great fun.
Thanks for reading,
Paul Allen
WORK ON YOUR CHARACTER CONSISTENCY. B.E.E. IS A BORDERLINE QUEER AND HAS GREAT RESPECT FOR MUSCLE AND THE NARCISSISTIC PURSUIT OF A PERFECT BODY. HE WOULD NEVER WRITE ANYTHING LIKE THE BULLSHIT YOU JUST WROTE.
quoted for the truth
Your parents didn't teach you to mind your own business and not speak unless you're spoken to, teenager?
Ah, if we only knew then what we know now, right climber?
Ah, if we only knew then what we know now, right climber?
While I was an undergraduate student at NYU, majoring in business of course, my love of finance was only usurped by my love of females.
I remember the days, ah how good they were. I would study, do a few laps around the park, and then go babe hunting. We'd have a game, where we'd compete how many babes we could get a week.
I ate enough to not be hungry and had some abs. But I was 18 to 22 while an undergrad. Muscles did not interest me. In fact, in my time, it was considered a homosexual act to have muscles.
The leafy bug, you are still young. Take a break from pursuing the ideal body; while having one is healthy, the pursuit of one isn't. I imagine you're a social outcast without many friends, especially girlfriends. Leave your obsession with weightlifing alone until after college. I promise you , you will not get fat. I bet if you just ride the train you're on now you'll still be very fit when you're out of college. Go out, meet people. It's much more satisfying than abs.
I guarantee you you will regret obsessing over your body while abandoning all else college years of your life have to offer. You're not a bad looking guy. Develop a personality and you will have great fun.
Thanks for reading,
Paul Allen
A bunch of rubbish.
Not everyone's idea of a good life involves "babe hunting". Being in great shape and having abs isn't about pleasing others, but pleasing yourself. You talk about being a social outcast, but honestly, some people would find more pleasure in looking better than 99% of the population over constant social stimulation.
I've got friends and been out of a relationship for a while now. I'm in a best shape of my life, my grades are as good as they've ever been and I feel great everyday. I don't rely on others and I feel damn good.
I don't know leafy bug, but I don't understand you trying to give him advice about life as though you're some kind of damn prodigy. The way I see it, there's nothing wrong with him.
wow a good post from you :o :o
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yes and we have challenged your assertion that they did not work for you. So far all you have done in response to those challenges is to reassert the original claim.
You did not apply the principles, and you did not lose muscle.
Pathetic.
While I was an undergraduate student at NYU, majoring in business of course, my love of finance was only usurped by my love of females.But what if i actually enjoy what im doing and really dislike going out and meeting fake people?
I remember the days, ah how good they were. I would study, do a few laps around the park, and then go babe hunting. We'd have a game, where we'd compete how many babes we could get a week.
I ate enough to not be hungry and had some abs. But I was 18 to 22 while an undergrad. Muscles did not interest me. In fact, in my time, it was considered a homosexual act to have muscles.
The leafy bug, you are still young. Take a break from pursuing the ideal body; while having one is healthy, the pursuit of one isn't. I imagine you're a social outcast without many friends, especially girlfriends. Leave your obsession with weightlifing alone until after college. I promise you , you will not get fat. I bet if you just ride the train you're on now you'll still be very fit when you're out of college. Go out, meet people. It's much more satisfying than abs.
I guarantee you you will regret obsessing over your body while abandoning all else college years of your life have to offer. You're not a bad looking guy. Develop a personality and you will have great fun.
Thanks for reading,
Paul Allen
You're saying I didn't apply the principles? But I preserved muscle? So I used another diet (not TA's diet) and did not lose muscle on that diet?
A bunch of rubbish.Quoted for the truth. My intrests are reaching my max potential and putting 110% effort into every aspect of my life. I want to make good grades in school and bodybuild. Thats what makes me happy. I did all that social stuff in highschool and i was miserable.
Not everyone's idea of a good life involves "babe hunting". Being in great shape and having abs isn't about pleasing others, but pleasing yourself. You talk about being a social outcast, but honestly, some people would find more pleasure in looking better than 99% of the population over constant social stimulation.
I've got friends and been out of a relationship for a while now. I'm in a best shape of my life, my grades are as good as they've ever been and I feel great everyday. I don't rely on others and I feel damn good.
I don't know leafy bug, but I don't understand you trying to give him advice about life as though you're some kind of damn prodigy. The way I see it, there's nothing wrong with him.
I did all that social stuff in highschool and i was miserable.
Same here.Hahahha what i notice is these people you meet at parties are all like clones of each other. It is like going to a chain resturaunt. No matter where you are in the country you know you can find people that are exactly like that. There are few people anymore with character. Most people just go through like wanting to just get by or break even. Im not intrested in that. I strive for something better and i got better things to do then go out to a bar at 12.
I don't understand why people would think you or anyone has a bad life just because their interests don't involve meeting stupid and fake women, and hanging out with worthless friends. That Paul Allen guys seems a bit insecure. Probably the type that checks his cell phone every 5 minutes and requires constant social stimulation to feel good about himself.
Hahahha what i notice is these people you meet at parties are all like clones of each other. It is like going to a chain resturaunt. No matter where you are in the country you know you can find people that are exactly like that. There are few people anymore with character. Most people just go through like wanting to just get by or break even. Im not intrested in that. I strive for something better and i got better things to do then go out to a bar at 12.
Hahahha what i notice is these people you meet at parties are all like clones of each other. It is like going to a chain resturaunt. No matter where you are in the country you know you can find people that are exactly like that. There are few people anymore with character. Most people just go through like wanting to just get by or break even. Im not intrested in that. I strive for something better and i got better things to do then go out to a bar at 12.
move to a big city if you are looking for smarter people.St. Louis and Kansas City aren't too far from Leafy, i'd consider it an honor to train with the ripped machine.
most will still be stupid but you are more likely to find people worth spending time with
Hahahha what i notice is these people you meet at parties are all like clones of each other. It is like going to a chain resturaunt. No matter where you are in the country you know you can find people that are exactly like that. There are few people anymore with character. Most people just go through like wanting to just get by or break even. Im not intrested in that. I strive for something better and i got better things to do then go out to a bar at 12.
St. Louis and Kansas City aren't too far from Leafy, i'd consider it an honor to train with the ripped machine.Hahah i suspect there will be a time in the future.
Hahahha what i notice is these people you meet at parties are all like clones of each other. It is like going to a chain resturaunt. No matter where you are in the country you know you can find people that are exactly like that. There are few people anymore with character. Most people just go through like wanting to just get by or break even. Im not intrested in that. I strive for something better and i got better things to do then go out to a bar at 12.
What's sad and equally pathetic is that these people seem to place great importance on things of vanity.. And it's almost as though most of them don't value intelligence and thinking outside of the box.Indeed. I think alot of people turn to bodybuilding for reasons of insecurity. Most don't even enjoy what they do and thats what makes it a sad sport.
Hahahha what i notice is these people you meet at parties are all like clones of each other. It is like going to a chain resturaunt. No matter where you are in the country you know you can find people that are exactly like that. There are few people anymore with character. Most people just go through like wanting to just get by or break even. Im not intrested in that. I strive for something better and i got better things to do then go out to a bar at 12.
Holy shit......monster truth.
I know what you mean, man. Fucking pathetic people.....
This is a picture from yesterday. I'm not responding as well to SIZEON as I did the first time around. I'm thinking that it is less of a miracle supplement and more of an issue of me not having used creatine for three years when I used it earlier.
That or this batch wasn't "tainted" with the "good stuff"...... :-\
Quite possible! I got the first container at the ASC and I am now thinking it was hormonal. I got a pimple using it and displayed all of the symptoms of actual gear use.
Oh oh......Matt's cherry is popped....... :-X
Wait, my anal virginity cherry?
:-X
I want to know what kind of gear was in SIZEON when I took it, because it worked. Bodybuilding IS drugs by the way. Most pros would look like me if they weren't juiced to the tits and be no stronger. Don't believe for a SECOND that bodybuilding is anything other than drugs. It is ALL drugs - that meaning that ALL of bodybuilding above and beyond what you see on naturals like me is just drugs. The difference is nothing more than an injection. Bodybuilders don't train harder or more consistently than me, nor do they eat better. The only difference is drugs.
I bet after one cycle I would deadlift 600 pounds.
You're preaching to the choir, Matt. It's funny, how the users won't admit it.......I've seen it, time and time again. Shit, I out-train most juicers at my gym.
Let's face it, if the drugs didn't work, they wouldn't use them. To me, it's a joke. Temporary muscles......wow. ::)
I also out-train most of them. Clip from yesterday:
Not a lot of people lift what I do, juiced or not. Also, let it be known that I'm not saying that I would look like the pros ON juice, I'm just saying they would look like me OFF juice, for the most part. There are some definite genetic freaks out there, but to imply that EVERY pro falls into that class is absurd. Some pros are simply the result of time and patience and juice.
Matt, was that chick (next to you during clip) with you?
Just curious. She seemed interested in your set.
Yes, actually she was. My training partner invited her to come along and she had never trained with weights before since she is more into running and volleyball and some other activities. She was very impressed with that set so she watched it lol. I actually kind of wonder what the average person thinks when they see me using heavy weights during sets. To me it is so ordinary that I don't notice, but to the average person 120 pound dumbbells are heavy even though to many of us who train regularly, they are normal working set weights.
I also out-train most of them. Clip from yesterday:hahahahahah yea right you have the body of a 16 year old super narrow and white and just terrible genentics....
Not a lot of people lift what I do, juiced or not. Also, let it be known that I'm not saying that I would look like the pros ON juice, I'm just saying they would look like me OFF juice, for the most part. There are some definite genetic freaks out there, but to imply that EVERY pro falls into that class is absurd. Some pros are simply the result of time and patience and juice.
Wait, my anal virginity cherry?Well... depends on the bodybuilder but id say for the most part it is all drugs. I think lazyness has plagued modern day bodybuilding into letting drugs do most of the work.
:-X
I want to know what kind of gear was in SIZEON when I took it, because it worked. Bodybuilding IS drugs by the way. Most pros would look like me if they weren't juiced to the tits and be no stronger. Don't believe for a SECOND that bodybuilding is anything other than drugs. It is ALL drugs - that meaning that ALL of bodybuilding above and beyond what you see on naturals like me is just drugs. The difference is nothing more than an injection. Bodybuilders don't train harder or more consistently than me, nor do they eat better. The only difference is drugs.
I bet after one cycle I would deadlift 600 pounds.
Hey man i challenge you to cut down on healthy food. Take pics and everything but first ill let you "bulk". You say you are doing the getbig right? Whatever you do don't drop out. You will realize in time it is the same thing.
You're challenging him to cut down on healthy food?I challenging him to cut down because most people aren't capable of cutting down all the way. Look at magoo. He cut for what? A month and lost 15 pounds and quit. I want to see him go all the way. I don't care how he gets there. The point im making is if you can survive long enough on a diet of goodies then what makes you think you can diet on healthy foods and maintain the willpower to continue cutting. Please direct me to the post where i state "i am an expert on dieting and this is the way you have to do it". It looks like you are putting words into my mouth.
I thought you told Magoo you never claimed to be an expert?
Here you're trying to tell Matt C what to do.
What's up with that man?
-Hedge
I challenging him to cut down because most people aren't capable of cutting down all the way. Look at magoo. He cut for what? A month and lost 15 pounds and quit. I want to see him go all the way. I don't care how he gets there. The point im making is if you can survive long enough on a diet of goodies then what makes you think you can diet on healthy foods and maintain the willpower to continue cutting. Please direct me to the post where i state "i am an expert on dieting and this is the way you have to do it". It looks like you are putting words into my mouth.
haha this is one of the funniest pics ive ever seen
how 'tall' are you matt
matt must've learned his posing from mowerI love how you went through the trouble of saving his picture, renaming it, and then posting it again. Hahahah get big ingenuity always keeps me entertained.
Matt, I don't see any squat videos? :PAnd don't forget that after you work out you need to spike your insulin with grape juice and drink a protien shake for maximum absorbtion ::)
You will release more endogenous testosterone & GH if you include squats in your routine, and you will develop more muscle.
And don't forget that after you work out you need to spike your insulin with grape juice and drink a protien shake for maximum absorbtion ::)
And don't forget that after you work out you need to spike your insulin with grape juice and drink a protien shake for maximum absorbtion ::)hahahahaha, exactly and don't forget the chicken and white rice to take advantage of the "anabolic window". ::)
I love how you went through the trouble of saving his picture, renaming it, and then posting it again. Hahahah get big ingenuity always keeps me entertained.
I challenging him to cut down because most people aren't capable of cutting down all the way. Look at magoo. He cut for what? A month and lost 15 pounds and quit. I want to see him go all the way. I don't care how he gets there. The point im making is if you can survive long enough on a diet of goodies then what makes you think you can diet on healthy foods and maintain the willpower to continue cutting. Please direct me to the post where i state "i am an expert on dieting and this is the way you have to do it". It looks like you are putting words into my mouth.
And don't forget that after you work out you need to spike your insulin with grape juice and drink a protien shake for maximum absorbtion ::)
Why are you trying to tell Matt C what to do?To just cut down the way he wants to to even see if he is capable of getting lean. Once he does the he will realize that he isn't as big as he though he was and will soon realize it makes virtually no difference.
-Hedge
I would say its the fat-asses who are 'offseason bulking' that use that grape juice shit. Whenever I did the high carb post workout thing all I got was smooth and fat. I did juice, I did bagels, I did oatmeal. My post workout is simply a shake (because I really just want to sit and relax after training) and some salted roasted almonds. Definitely NOT the traditional post workout meal.Hahahah i love almonds. Something about them just relaxes me.
To just cut down the way he wants to to even see if he is capable of getting lean. Once he does the he will realize that he isn't as big as he though he was and will soon realize it makes virtually no difference.
He will also realise he has lost alot of strength. Do you think he'll still be able to handle the 120 pounders after doing what you tell him to? I don't think so... there's no point for him to put his body under any more stress by going on a calorie deficient diet now. He might not lost much size, but he will loose strength. Hard earned strength........again this is a bodybuilding site. Not fantasyfeeder.com. If you want to get fat then be my guest but i think this is the wrong place for it.
Not everyone wants to be anorexic or sub 12% bodyfat.
matt must've learned his posing from mower
hahahahahah yea right you have the body of a 16 year old super narrow and white and just terrible genentics....
monster terrible form on those dbell presses....try flaring your elbows out and actually getting some stretch..
You sound like a juicer. I've still bench pressed 340+ pounds before with perfect form. On cycle I would probably hit 405.
Deadlift, I would be easily well within the 500s. In fact, my bet is I reach a 500 pound deadlift this year some time.
Bluto - I am 5'9 for sure. Taller at this exact moment but we all lose height as the day continues. So 5'9 give or take very slightly. If you do a search on getbig for pictures it would be kinda hard for me to be eye level with Milos and Layne Norton and Phil Heath being 5'2. I look short in the picture because the lockers are elevated. A good picture to show my height is the one next to the bathroom stall because you can see I'm almost as tall as it and they are six feet. ;D
.......again this is a bodybuilding site. Not fantasyfeeder.com. If you want to get fat then be my guest but i think this is the wrong place for it.
yeah, you're building your body...not trying out for the swim team.I am... im just doing it lean.
You sound like a juicer. I've still bench pressed 340+ pounds before with perfect form. On cycle I would probably hit 405.
Deadlift, I would be easily well within the 500s. In fact, my bet is I reach a 500 pound deadlift this year some time.
Bluto - I am 5'9 for sure. Taller at this exact moment but we all lose height as the day continues. So 5'9 give or take very slightly. If you do a search on getbig for pictures it would be kinda hard for me to be eye level with Milos and Layne Norton and Phil Heath being 5'2. I look short in the picture because the lockers are elevated. A good picture to show my height is the one next to the bathroom stall because you can see I'm almost as tall as it and they are six feet. ;D
No offence Matt C, but what's with your height fixation? ???
BTW, you got a very impressive benchpress, but what's the point in stating what you would lift if you would juice? Be the best you can be natural instead.
-Hedge
Matt....do that deadlift routine....my dead went from 475 to 565 with it. Was CRAZY!!! I have never been on the shit and my bests were 500lb squat (have it on video), a 380 bench (tore a pec on 390, have both on video too), and a 565 deadlift. I wish I would have the deadlift on video. I think I cuold have gotten 585lbs.....but I will never know. My body cant handle the heavy shit like that anymore. I am using 120's for flat bench dumbell.....so, who knows.
Where is that routine posted again? I will get right on it starting today since it's back day!
Matt....do that deadlift routine....my dead went from 475 to 565 with it. Was CRAZY!!! I have never been on the shit and my bests were 500lb squat (have it on video), a 380 bench (tore a pec on 390, have both on video too), and a 565 deadlift. I wish I would have the deadlift on video. I think I cuold have gotten 585lbs.....but I will never know. My body cant handle the heavy shit like that anymore. I am using 120's for flat bench dumbell.....so, who knows.You must be proud
You must be proud
:-\
I actually don't know. ;D To be honest, I think it stemmed from reading the stats of so many bodybuilders when I was making my contest reports.
Regarding juicing, bodybuilding is juice. Bodybuilding as a natural is like driving a car without gas. It is so futile it's almost silly.
Where is that routine posted again? I will get right on it starting today since it's back day!
Regarding juicing, bodybuilding is juice. Bodybuilding as a natural is like driving a car without gas. It is so futile it's almost silly.
If you're gonna go on that routine, I suggest keeping your other back work light, and do one or maybe two excersises except the deadlift.
-Hedge
Yet you and I both do it.
I don't compete, but I do bodybuild and am glad that I do so.. It's taught me so much and made me healthy and a better person overall.
You sound like a juicer. I've still bench pressed 340+ pounds before with perfect form. On cycle I would probably hit 405.you are a geek not a freak seriously you look like a little boy and you post that you train harder than anyone else maybe for someone with your girlish figure but not for hardore lfiters that are clean.
Deadlift, I would be easily well within the 500s. In fact, my bet is I reach a 500 pound deadlift this year some time.
Bluto - I am 5'9 for sure. Taller at this exact moment but we all lose height as the day continues. So 5'9 give or take very slightly. If you do a search on getbig for pictures it would be kinda hard for me to be eye level with Milos and Layne Norton and Phil Heath being 5'2. I look short in the picture because the lockers are elevated. A good picture to show my height is the one next to the bathroom stall because you can see I'm almost as tall as it and they are six feet. ;D
Yes, but it is crazy to see the progress juicers make compared to naturals. And the answer isn't as simple as saying they eat better or train harder or have better genetics. Certainly that plays a role in some cases, but in other cases you have very average people getting very above average results. I'm not saying I would look like a pro when juiced, but in some ways I think I would certainly compare to the average pro. Strength wise for instance, and I think with 0 changes to my diet and training I would look way better on juice. That said, to me bodybuilding is also about health and balance which is why I choose to do it drug free. I just don't expect to make a lot of progress this way.
Matt, I know you like bodybuilding, but you just don't have the genetics for it. Why not take up powerlifting?
he's got great genetics for powerlifting.
you are a geek not a freak seriously you look like a little boy and you post that you train harder than anyone else maybe for someone with your girlish figure but not for hardore lfiters that are clean.
juice isn't the answer to everything if you ever get the balls to do it and quit talking about it all the time like you are an expert you'll know what i mean.
you look about 5'6 too and really skinny, white and anemic in america we'd probably put you on welfare....
I respect the fact that you are posting under your real name.You have a big head. Makes you look stupid.
Just a few points:
I'm not saying that I have great genetics or that I would be pro if I used juice. I'm simply saying that juice makes a HUGE difference. Also, you are 100% right that I am too much of a pussy to use drugs. It's just the truth and I don't deny it. I'm just a big pussy about it, what more do you want me to say? But I don't need to use drugs to know that they are a huge aid for bodybuilding. I think I would make huge gains on the correct steroid cycle. I'm not saying I would become pro or that I have great genetics. I do have good genetics in some areas: good shoulders and arms and a small waist, but a weak back and an incredibly weak chest. My legs could be brought up if I was more consistent in my training. In general, I do train very hard.
Lastly, as for my height, I can't pinpoint what makes me look shorter than I am, but I am definitely 5'9 but have great posture and I'm usually eye to eye with people who are 5'10. Milos and Layne Norton are both 5'10 and 1/2 and Ron is 6'2 (with horrible posture lol):
You have a big head. Makes you look stupid.
:)
Grown up dog sleeping in your bed = disgusting.
I respect the fact that you are posting under your real name.
Just a few points:
I'm not saying that I have great genetics or that I would be pro if I used juice. I'm simply saying that juice makes a HUGE difference. Also, you are 100% right that I am too much of a pussy to use drugs. It's just the truth and I don't deny it. I'm just a big pussy about it, what more do you want me to say? But I don't need to use drugs to know that they are a huge aid for bodybuilding. I think I would make huge gains on the correct steroid cycle. I'm not saying I would become pro or that I have great genetics. I do have good genetics in some areas: good shoulders and arms and a small waist, but a weak back and an incredibly weak chest. My legs could be brought up if I was more consistent in my training. In general, I do train very hard.
Lastly, as for my height, I can't pinpoint what makes me look shorter than I am, but I am definitely 5'9 but have great posture and I'm usually eye to eye with people who are 5'10. Milos and Layne Norton are both 5'10 and 1/2 and Ron is 6'2 (with horrible posture lol):
Bet you TA doesn't even follow his own principles.he doesnt...or didnt.
The TA principles failed me miserably. :-X
Oh they failed you terribly bad, Matt. Make no doubt about it.
Guys, what do you think of a diet consiting of 2,000 calories from Chivas Regal scotch and Doritos spicy nacho?i think that life would be sweet for a short while..untill you turned into a depressed, fat, alcohol addicted bum.
Yeah, well...
You're still the biggest douche Tom Prince has ever met.
i think that life would be sweet for a short while..untill you turned into a depressed, fat, alcohol addicted bum.
So what? He can just buy hookers.
my local McDonalds has double cheese burgers on the $1 menu
and a couple of those followed by some hookers and some baileys irish creme and my night is complete
Exactly, real men drink, eat crap, fight and fuck hookers while saving the "allocated women money" each month so that they can build assets for future high quality hooker returns.
we need to hang out my friend..I will bring the double cheeseburgers and the liquor...you can bring the hookers.
I say hookers because I will need at least 2.
1 to hold my cock while I piss on the other one after first cumming in her hair.
My income statement is higher than the norm due to not having a bitch. Discuss.
In my balance sheet, I prefer to list my bonded hookers at a discount. Blowjob expense is equal to the yield rate times and carrying value of the hooker. Cash is the stated rate times the face value of teh hooker. The discount is amortized by subtracting the cash from blowjob expense. Discuss.
It's not only that the TA principles are totally wrong, it's that TA knows that and is advocating people to use them intentionally just so he can laugh at their failings, just as he laughed at mine. Alright TA, so you got me? Are you happy now? Enjoy it while it lasts because I make it a point to warn everyone else about your methods.I know you are prepared for the post stalking, endless threads and photoshops that are sure to follow. ;D
I know you are prepared for the post stalking, endless threads and photoshops that are sure to follow. ;D
It's not only that the TA principles are totally wrong, it's that TA knows that and is advocating people to use them intentionally just so he can laugh at their failings, just as he laughed at mine. Alright TA, so you got me? Are you happy now? Enjoy it while it lasts because I make it a point to warn everyone else about your methods.
you need to learn from all of your dieting mistakes
not sit back and whine and cry and blame people
write things down, look in the mirror keep track of how you look or changes in body temperature. many diets can leave a person to where they get cold chills because they are eating the wrong foods
you need to learn from all of your dieting mistakes
not sit back and whine and cry and blame people
write things down, look in the mirror keep track of how you look or changes in body temperature. many diets can leave a person to where they get cold chills because they are eating the wrong foods
you need to learn from all of your dieting mistakesIRONY AT IT`S VERY BEST!! LOL :)
Anyone stupid enough to try TA BS deserve whatever shit happens to him.
Some people gotta learn some things the hard way.
Stupid insofar as naivety is related to stupidity. The word I would use is naive, but I have definitely learned from my experience and I hope others learn from not only their mistakes, but my mistakes too.
don't sell yourself short matt, you're not just naive, you're stupid in lots of different ways.but he's bigger, stronger and more ripped than you and that's all that matters. :D
but he's bigger, stronger and more ripped than you and that's all that matters. :D
from what i've seen he is more ripped than you and on every lift you can do in the gym Matt owns you.
definitely not more ripped, probably stronger in some ways weaker in others.
from what i've seen he is more ripped than you and on every lift you can do in the gym Matt owns you.
Dave why even bother to argue with me if you're not going to be honest? What satisfaction is their in winning if you know that you had to cheat to do it? I never get people like you, don't you have any pride?post your picture next to Matt's and let the board decide who's more ripped, deal?
post your picture next to Matt's and let the board decide who's more ripped, deal?
I vote Matt. He's in shape and will crush the zionist agenda.oh shit you really fuccked up now, here's where "shifted shapes" comes back at you with how he can do a planche with his skinny/fat 13 inch arms on 3 celery stalks a day, aren't you mortified?
Dave he can't even see his abs. Are you as stupid as him and think that they are just too underdeveloped to be visible? Why not face the truth.no i don't have your pics otherwise i would have posted it by now, if you are more ripped than Matt as you claim then you should have no problem posting the picture to compare.
and you have my pics, feel free to post them.
oh shit you really fuccked up now, here's where "shifted shapes" comes back at you with how he can do a planche with his skinny/fat 13 inch arms on 3 celery stalks a day, aren't you mortified?like i said there is a difference between a lean guy with muscle and a skinny guy who calls himself ripped. IMO.
no i don't have your pics otherwise i would have posted it by now, if you are more ripped than Matt as you claim then you should have no problem posting the picture to compare.
sure you do, just run a search, you spend your whole life on this board don't you know how to use it?::) more avoidance born from fear, I and the whole board claim that Matt C. owns you in size, condition, strength, cuts, vascularity, abs, everything, if you don't agree, post your picture in comparison.
::) more avoidance born from fear, I and the whole board claim that Matt C. owns you in size, condition, strength, cuts, vascularity, abs, everything, if you don't agree, post your picture in comparison.
where's the fear it's been posted? If you were competent and willing to eat your words you would post it. I think you're afraid to be proven wrong and incompetent so it looks like it's not getting posted.i just told you that i don't have your picturte saved and that's the God's honest truth, when i comment on your picture it's from memory, now stop avoiding and being scared and put your money where your mouth is and post the picture, what are you afraid of?
bump for "shifted shapes" to grow some nuts and post his pictures next to Matt C. since he claims he's more ripped than him.
ShiftedShapes:hahahahahahhahahaaa, and he thinks he's more ripped than Matt C. in that shot, oh brother, they're the same bodyfat level and Matt is much bigger.
Wavelength and TA...is there a rebuttal to what Mr. Canning claims in this thread??
Too lazy to read the whole thing. ;D
If it hadn't worked for me, I wouldn't continue either.
Or maybe he did something wrong.
Matt is fat. He can't mentally handle being smaller and realizing he doesn't have as much muscle as he thinks he does. He half assed his own diet and blamed Adam.
Matt is fat. He can't mentally handle being smaller and realizing he doesn't have as much muscle as he thinks he does. He half assed his own diet and blamed Adam.
Matt is still in Timeout.
Maybe he forgot the first principle of enough protein intake.
no he was just delusional.
He was heavy and bulked and thought that he was a lot leaner than he actually was, so when he lost 10 or 15 lbs and still wasn't ripped he was convinced that it was because he had lost muscle. He couldn't come to grips with the fact that most of his size was bloat and fat.
why is he in time out anyway ?
Getbig needs him
Isn't it obvious?
He discredited the Adonis principles.
Beheading would be more appropriate IMO.
I would not use the adonis principles either ;D
Masochist.
yeah you could say that ;D
off-season is awesome tho, good food with as much sauce as I want, everything tastes great 8)
yeah you could say that ;D
off-season is awesome tho, good food with as much sauce as I want, everything tastes great 8)
Is this you in the avatar?
sauce is good... have u got fat yet? still 4k cals aday?
yop it is
Not too shabby for a masochist. ;D
What I don't understand is why noone even dares to try it. It's not that extreme, it only sets a lower minimum of protein than most of today's bodybuilding diets and pretty much leaves the rest open. Funny thing is, the two main bodybuilding methods of dieting down completely oppose each other: low fat and low carb. Both methods obviously work. So why not just choose something in between? What's so 'clean' about the two extremes, and why is it 'junk' when you eat like a normal human being? Epic obsessive brain-washed masochism.
excellent points
yeah you could say that ;Doff-seasonoff-cycle is awesome tho, good food with as much sauce as I want, everything tastes great 8)
thanks!
BTW, what do you think your BF was in that pic?
Quite obviously you were much more ripped than Matt C.
pretty high, maybe 9-12% I think that was the end of 2006