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Ok beach bum, lets see what kobe can do this year, will he play like he did this year or get desperate and go back to normal selfish kobe (which is still dominating)..Bynum is out.. i predict this year to be a Kobe Blitz, not a laker fan, but i love there game, they space the floor well and have a great offese, then any team with kobe would have great offense
Lets see if Shaq can elevate amare's game a little more cause the Tim duncan definately will, last year duncan destroyed Amare, i know Nash will show up, and i hope shaq can stay outta foul trouble. If the suns lose i will not recover.
Lebron, good luck..poor guy has a team of losers, whats sadder to see then the suns losing is witnessing King james do it all and still get swept.
Gilbert arenas takes a whole year off and is back in time for the playoffs, he needs conditioning but his shot is awesome, still think this is a even matchup.
will Tracy mcgrady win a playoff series? i think not..Utah in 4, mcgrady to cry again &feature=related
Dallas vs New orleans, kidd vs paul, i have to go for experience, but dallas chokes mores then john starks.
Boston will sweep atlanta.
Toronto and orlando??? who really cares
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Ok beach bum, lets see what kobe can do this year, will he play like he did this year or get desperate and go back to normal selfish kobe (which is still dominating)..Bynum is out.. i predict this year to be a Kobe Blitz, not a laker fan, but i love there game, they space the floor well and have a great offese, then any team with kobe would have great offense
Lets see if Shaq can elevate amare's game a little more cause the Tim duncan definately will, last year duncan destroyed Amare, i know Nash will show up, and i hope shaq can stay outta foul trouble. If the suns lose i will not recover.
Lebron, good luck..poor guy has a team of losers, whats sadder to see then the suns losing is witnessing King james do it all and still get swept.
Gilbert arenas takes a whole year off and is back in time for the playoffs, he needs conditioning but his shot is awesome, still think this is a even matchup.
will Tracy mcgrady win a playoff series? i think not..Utah in 4, mcgrady to cry again &feature=related
Dallas vs New orleans, kidd vs paul, i have to go for experience, but dallas chokes mores then john starks.
Boston will sweep atlanta.
Toronto and orlando??? who really cares
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I like the Suns beating the Spurs in 6 games out in the west.
In the East...
Go Wizards!!
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The shame of it is that the East, with the exception of Boston and Detroit, is basically the "Junior Varsity" of the NBA. So while the West beats up on each other, the East team which goes to the finals will face only one tough series.
Think of the Suns or Spurs, one of them will go to the second round already being (likely) depleted by a vicious, physical 6 or 7 game series. It reminds me of several years ago when the Lakers defeated the Spurs in a brutal series and then had nothing left for Detroit.
Nevertheless, something tells me that there is a Patriots-style collapse waiting in the wings somewhere for the Celts. Just a hunch.
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if the celts dont win the finals the season was a waste, atleast with the suns everybody hated the shaq trade so if they lose in the 1 round its a upset but not a major one.
im expecting to see lebron avg 50 a game, the wizards may let him go off and just trap the other bums
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Celtics-Lakers finals baby!!!
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if the celts dont win the finals the season was a waste, atleast with the suns everybody hated the shaq trade so if they lose in the 1 round its a upset but not a major one.
im expecting to see lebron avg 50 a game, the wizards may let him go off and just trap the other bums
Pretty accurate. Lebron doesn't have much help. Ben Wallace plays dominant in short spurts nowadays and they're missing Pavolivic, who's a valuable backup. The Wizards have better overall talent than the Cavs and score more points on offense.
I just think the Wizards want it more this year and are tired of geting kicked around for the last 2 years by the Cavs. Third time's a charm. I see the Wizards winning the series in six games.
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Lakers going down in the second round to the Jazz, too soft for Sloan and his good ol' boys.
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Ok beach bum, lets see what kobe can do this year, will he play like he did this year or get desperate and go back to normal selfish kobe (which is still dominating)..Bynum is out.. i predict this year to be a Kobe Blitz, not a laker fan, but i love there game, they space the floor well and have a great offese, then any team with kobe would have great offense
Lets see if Shaq can elevate amare's game a little more cause the Tim duncan definately will, last year duncan destroyed Amare, i know Nash will show up, and i hope shaq can stay outta foul trouble. If the suns lose i will not recover.
Lebron, good luck..poor guy has a team of losers, whats sadder to see then the suns losing is witnessing King james do it all and still get swept.
Gilbert arenas takes a whole year off and is back in time for the playoffs, he needs conditioning but his shot is awesome, still think this is a even matchup.
will Tracy mcgrady win a playoff series? i think not..Utah in 4, mcgrady to cry again &feature=related
Dallas vs New orleans, kidd vs paul, i have to go for experience, but dallas chokes mores then john starks.
Boston will sweep atlanta.
Toronto and orlando??? who really cares
I like the Lakers chances. They finished at the top of the toughest conference in years despite numerous injuries. And they're still missing Bynum and Ariza. If we get those two back, it's over. Even without them, I think we can win. Outside of Duncan, Kobe is the best playoff battle tested player in the NBA.
I'd love to see a Lakers-Spurs conference final and a Lakers-Celtics final.
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Crap. The Wizards drop game 1 to the Cavs, 93-86. Wizards couldn't hit a shot in the final period. Had so many chances to put that game away.
It's only game 1, though. Long series to play.
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lol at Snack O'Neal. With six minutes to play SA started hack-a-Shaq. He missed three straight free throws and the Suns pulled him with five minutes to go and a three point lead.
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Say what you will. Shaq is showing a lot of hustle and desire since coming to the Suns.
Not to mention being light on his feet and better lateral movement. He will be the x-factor during the Suns playoff run.
I think the Suns are going to the NBA finals. Steve Nash is just due and Stoudemire is playing great.
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Jesus, I type that last post as Finley hits a 3 to tie the game against the Suns. Looks like overtime.
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HOLY SHIT! Tim Duncan hits a three to force double overtime! :o :o :o
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That was insane.
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Great game!
Why was I rooting for the Spurs? :-\
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The shame of it is that the East, with the exception of Boston and Detroit, is basically the "Junior Varsity" of the NBA. So while the West beats up on each other, the East team which goes to the finals will face only one tough series.
Think of the Suns or Spurs, one of them will go to the second round already being (likely) depleted by a vicious, physical 6 or 7 game series. It reminds me of several years ago when the Lakers defeated the Spurs in a brutal series and then had nothing left for Detroit.
Nevertheless, something tells me that there is a Patriots-style collapse waiting in the wings somewhere for the Celts. Just a hunch.
The celtics couldent have a patriots style collapse, the superbowl is only one game. Could the celts lose? yep, and they could also continue the trend of beating all the best teams in the west like they did all year long.
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if the celts dont win the finals the season was a waste, atleast with the suns everybody hated the shaq trade so if they lose in the 1 round its a upset but not a major one.
im expecting to see lebron avg 50 a game, the wizards may let him go off and just trap the other bums
Bull, the celtics where one of the worst teams in the NBA last year. The turnaround that was seen this year with the celts was literally the greatest turn around in history.
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Great game!
Why was I rooting for the Spurs? :-\
depression is setting in, im sensitive when it comes to my teams losing, oh man.
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The celtics couldent have a patriots style collapse, the superbowl is only one game. Could the celts lose? yep, and they could also continue the trend of beating all the best teams in the west like they did all year long.
You think the Celtics beat the Lakers at full strength? I don't see it. I don't think the Celtics beat the Spurs either.
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I need the suns to win one game at san antonio, if they lose the next it will affect my job and relationships, and if all fails i want kobe to win a title.
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Washington shouldn't have tugged on Superman's cape.
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depression is setting in, im sensitive when it comes to my teams losing, oh man.
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lol. ;D It's only one game mang. Long series.
Although I think the Lakers/Spurs would be a better series, Lakers/Suns in the conference finals would be a ratings bonanza.
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I need the suns to win one game at san antonio, if they lose the next it will affect my job and relationships, and if all fails i want kobe to win a title.
Yep. That's all the visiting team has to do: one win road game, defend home court.
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No one deserves a title more than my boy right here.
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Yep. That's all the visiting team has to do: one win road game, defend home court.
I hope so, damn the spurs, there a great team and i love the closeups of eva longoria but i need the suns to win.
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lol. ;D It's only one game mang. Long series.
Although I think the Lakers/Spurs would be a better series, Lakers/Suns in the conference finals would be a ratings bonanza.
that would be the ultimate, kobe and shaq battling for a ring, lakers would be favourites
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I hope so, damn the spurs, there a great team and i love the closeups of eva longoria but i need the suns to win.
I guess the media needed someone to replace the Vanessa Williams eye candy when her and Rick Fox divorced (and the Lakers started to suck).
The Spurs really are a great team. Kurt Thomas fouls out. No problem. Tony Parker fouls out. They still have Manu and Finley.
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that would be the ultimate, kobe and shaq battling for a ring, lakers would be favourites
Yep.
Big time shot by Nash late in the second OT. Clutch.
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I guess the media needed someone to replace the Vanessa Williams eye candy when the her and Rick Fox divorced (and the Lakers started to suck).
The Spurs really are a great team. Kurt Thomas fouls out. No problem. Tony Parker fouls out. They still have Manu and Finley.
eva is losing it a bit, we need another broad.
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You think the Celtics beat the Lakers at full strength? I don't see it. I don't think the Celtics beat the Spurs either.
I do, and I think the Celtics will do it. KG and co wont be denied! I have to believe, and I think they can make it happen. I honestly think the celtics can win the whole thing.
Im not one of those people who would be upset if they didn't win it all, the celtics were terrible last year. I think if they get the chance to play in the big dance they make the most of it, and bring home title number 17!
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I do, and I think the Celtics will do it. KG and co wont be denied! I have to believe, and I think they can make it happen. I honestly think the celtics can win the whole thing.
Im not one of those people who would be upset if they didn't win it all, the celtics were terrible last year. I think if they get the chance to play in the big dance they make the most of it, and bring home title number 17!
I cant see the celts beating detroit..
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oh man Gasol is a one man wrecking crew, he destroyed the nuggets, fuck carmelo anthony.
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Whoo hoo! ;D
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oh man Gasol is a one man wrecking crew, he destroyed the nuggets, fuck carmelo anthony.
Lamar looked good as well. As a number three option he is so relaxed and confident, ge is a totally different player than when he was trying to be Pippen to Kobe's Jordan
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Boston will sweep atlanta.
Not exactly going out on a limb there, it's like saying "the Sun will rise tomorrow!"
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Not exactly going out on a limb there, it's like saying "the Sun will rise tomorrow!"
they will rise, if not, i wont.
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denver played pretty well, then kobe just destroyed them in that last quarter
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I cant see the celts beating detroit..
I can, the celtics beat the pistons two out of three times this year. People just dont wan to give the Celtics credit. The celtics slapped around the west (including the best conference in the west) all year, they beat detriot two out of three times, and they had the best record in the NBA this year. Why wont they get by the pistons? The Celtics have a winning record against them, they won more games than Detriot in the regular season, the celts beat them in Detriot and they would have home court throughout.
I'm not saying the best of the west and the pistons can't beat the Celts, what I am saying is based on record and home court advantage I would be worried the pistons might not get past the celtics if I was a Detriot fan.
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Lamar looked good as well. As a number three option he is so relaxed and confident, ge is a totally different player than when he was trying to be Pippen to Kobe's Jordan
He has been outstanding since the Gasol trade. He showed the past few years that he is not a no. 2 option. But as a 3rd or 4th scoring option, he's one of the best in the league. Several times he grabbed the rebound like a power forward, took the ball coast to coast like a point guard, and finished at the rim like a small forward.
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Sixers beat the Pistons. :o They better take this team seriously or they'll be the Dallas Mavericks of this year's playoffs.
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Gasol played great today!
I liked Divac when he played, great passer. If only he was still on the lakers @ centre. With Stojakovic coming off the bench.
C divac
PF gasol
SF odom
SG bryant
PG fisher
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Gasol played great today!
I liked Divac when he played, great passer. If only he was still on the lakers @ centre. With Stojakovic coming off the bench.
C divac
PF gasol
SF odom
SG bryant
PG fisher
Give me this year's Bynum over Divac. They will be very hard to beat if Bynum returns.
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Nice win by the Celtics, but they are playing a Hawks team that finished 37 and 45 and lost their last 3 games of the season. That East is just putrid.
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cle vs wsh is a boring series to watch.
lebron isn't that special.
Kobe is :)
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cle vs wsh is a boring series to watch.
lebron isn't that special.
Kobe is :)
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somebody pass this to Mcgrady
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Or pass it to the Wizards..
Jesus...those fucks didn't even show up for game 2.
Ilgauskas is going to have a huge game now with Haywood out from that flagrant foul in Game 2.
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Or pass it to the Wizards..
Jesus...those fucks didn't even show up for game 2.
Ilgauskas is going to have a huge game now with Haywood out from that flagrant foul in Game 2.
I think the Mavs might need it more, looks as if the lose in game one has crushed their physche.
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somebody pass this to Mcgrady
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lol. :D
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Damn Chris Paul is single handedly owning the Mavs!! :o :o
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Not so fast Quick.
I'm a Spur's fan and all we did was hold home court. Phoenix just needs to win at home and it is a whole new series.
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Cartel is right. Far from over.
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Ok thanks for the support Beach and cartel.
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That three pointer by Finley wouldn't have happened if Amrare would have jumped out through the pick to defend him. The boy can't play D. >:(
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I just don't understand how Phoenix could play so well in the first half and come out the second half and not score a point for half of the third quarter. Amazing. 61 first half points and they finish with 96 for the game.
I hate the Spurs but those guys are champions for a reason.
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I just don't understand how Phoenix could play so well in the first half and come out the second half and not score a point for half of the third quarter. Amazing. 61 first half points and they finish with 96 for the game.
I hate the Spurs but those guys are champions for a reason.
the fact is the spurs are a champion team, the suns are not, its a fact, the quicker i believe in this the better off i'll be.
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Not so fast Quick.
I'm a Spur's fan and all we did was hold home court. Phoenix just needs to win at home and it is a whole new series.
I don't agree with this analysis. While the Suns are a decent team, I do not believe they are capable of beating the defending champions in 4 of the next 5. If they were playing against a more inexperienced team, such as New Orleans, I could see it potentially happening.
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The Lake show has started ;D
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The Lake show has started ;D
kobe is going to do a Jordan or better in the playoffs, 49 points wow.. you cant hate that
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I don't agree with this analysis. While the Suns are a decent team, I do not believe they are capable of beating the defending champions in 4 of the next 5. If they were playing against a more inexperienced team, such as New Orleans, I could see it potentially happening.
I hope you are right.
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I hope you are right.
I hope he is wrong (his definately right :'()
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MVP! MVP! MVP! ;D
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MVP! MVP! MVP! ;D
MVP! MVP! MVP!
He should be a lock for it. I want him to win it and say "Fuck Katelyn Faber, MVP Bitch" and she should be glad to have been fucked by a Laker, An MVP at that, and Kobe bryant at that.
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The Lake show has started ;D
My Jazz are going to ruff the lakers up! Kobe will get his but soft ass Gasol will get manhandled by Booze, and Williams should be able to get 20 points 12 assists everygame against the Lakers. Lakers do have a good bench but the Jazz just might have the best in the league.
Cant wait for a real series to start!!!
Any Jazz fans here?
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My Jazz are going to ruff the lakers up!
Yeah K-Mart tried the badass thing. Worked really well for him. I hope the Jazz try it!
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Yeah K-Mart tried the badass thing. Worked really well for him. I hope the Jazz try it!
K-Mart what a fucking flop, he was a 1st pick also
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K-Mart what a fucking flop, he was a 1st pick also
Yeah, he makes a nice tandem with Marcus Camby, a first round second pick!
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My Jazz are going to ruff the lakers up! Kobe will get his but soft ass Gasol will get manhandled by Booze, and Williams should be able to get 20 points 12 assists everygame against the Lakers. Lakers do have a good bench but the Jazz just might have the best in the league.
Cant wait for a real series to start!!!
Any Jazz fans here?
we'll see.
Phil Jackson knows how to coach against Jerry Sloan. ;)
Radmanovic misses too much.
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No one talking about the East. No one gives a shit, I guess. Can't say I blame you guys. All the best teams are in the West.
How about the Wizards winning big against Cleveland by 36 points!
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No one talking about the East. No one gives a shit, I guess. Can't say I blame you guys. All the best teams are in the West.
How about the Wizards winning big against Cleveland by 36 points!
I give a shit, and that was a great win for the Wizards. No one cared when the celts slapped around the West all year during the regular season, they might care if it happens in the playoffs ;D
What was the celts record this year vs the best western conference in basketball ;) ???
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I don't give a shit :D The East is boring.
I want to see lebron lose. The wizards finally stepped up.
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we'll see.
Phil Jackson knows how to coach against Jerry Sloan. ;)
Radmanovic misses too much.
Oh, the painful, painful memories. . . . . . :'(
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Oh, the painful, painful memories. . . . . . :'(
;D
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Damn Chris Paul is single handedly owning the Mavs!! :o :o
Come again?
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Hey guys, take care of yourselves, im off to the nearest cliff! its been a pleasure dealing with you fellas, I tell God the sport board said Hi.
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Hey guys, take care of yourselves, im off to the nearest cliff! its been a pleasure dealing with you fellas, I tell God the sport board said Hi.
The saving grace in sports is-- there is always next season. Think how Laker fans felt over the summer. The Suns have smart management, they will reload.
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The saving grace in sports is-- there is always next season. Think how Laker fans felt over the summer. The Suns have smart management, they will reload.
First Wesley snipes gets 3 yrs jail, the the Suns go 0-3, whats the point of life
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Hey guys, take care of yourselves, im off to the nearest cliff! its been a pleasure dealing with you fellas, I tell God the sport board said Hi.
Better jump now bro, before your boys get swept in front of their home crowd. :-\
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Better jump now bro, before your boys get swept in front of their home crowd. :-\
They may as well end the season earlier then later, they cant win 4 straight anyway, just get swept, the media love shaq, they wont give him a hard time, go fishing, shaq is about to be swept on everyteam he has been with, Orlando against the pacers and rockets, Miami against chicago, lakers? (beach bum help me out) now with the suns, he has 4 rings, why he still plays i dont know, i guess its hard to say no to $40M...fuck this week has been hard on me.
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They may as well end the season earlier then later, they cant win 4 straight anyway, just get swept, the media love shaq, they wont give him a hard time, go fishing, shaq is about to be swept on everyteam he has been with, Orlando against the pacers and rockets, Miami against chicago, lakers? (beach bum help me out) now with the suns, he has 4 rings, why he still plays i dont know, i guess its hard to say no to $40M...fuck this week has been hard on me.
With the lakers they got swept by my Jazz, when Kobe was a young thug. ;)
Hate to say it but this might be the last run for the Suns, Nash is slowing down, obviously Shaq is a mere shadow of his former self, and there role players arent playing like they did a couple of years ago.
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They may as well end the season earlier then later, they cant win 4 straight anyway, just get swept, the media love shaq, they wont give him a hard time, go fishing, shaq is about to be swept on everyteam he has been with, Orlando against the pacers and rockets, Miami against chicago, lakers? (beach bum help me out) now with the suns, he has 4 rings, why he still plays i dont know, i guess its hard to say no to $40M...fuck this week has been hard on me.
Lakers were swept by the Jazz in the 98 conference finals and by the Spurs in 99 conference finals. That was before Phil came on board and took pretty much the same team and won three straight titles.
It's all over but the crying Quick. Sorry mang. Can't see the Suns taking four straight from the Spurs. I thought the Shaq trade was bad when they made it. Now I'm completely convinced it was a terrible trade.
Spurs are still the best team in the NBA IMO. If my Lakers don't get Bynum and Ariza back, they will have trouble getting past the Spurs.
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a great day for basketball. I can't wait until the Lakers play ;D
this TOR vs ORL game is just an appetizer
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Lakers were swept by the Jazz in the 98 conference finals and by the Spurs in 99 conference finals. That was before Phil came on board and took pretty much the same team and won three straight titles.
It's all over but the crying Quick. Sorry mang. Can't see the Suns taking four straight from the Spurs. I thought the Shaq trade was bad when they made it. Now I'm completely convinced it was a terrible trade.
Spurs are still the best team in the NBA IMO. If my Lakers don't get Bynum and Ariza back, they will have trouble getting past the Spurs.
That's all i needed to hear, See you bitches in the afterlife, and im going to ask God what really happen to Katelyn faber?
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That's all i needed to hear, See you bitches in the afterlife, and im going to ask God what really happen to Katelyn faber?
I know what happened to her. She made a false rape allegation, got pregnant, got married, got paid, and lived happily ever after.
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I wish it was the 4th Q of the Raptors game.
an hour until the Lakers play.
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Lakers gonna win the series for sure, but I think the Enver Nuggets get them today.
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all the players on the Nuggets look like whiny losers who come in last place. They aren't a team.
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all the players on the Nuggets look like whiny losers who come in last place. They aren't a team.
Honestly I hope your Lakers sweep and my Jazz win the next two. Really excited about the Lakers/Jazz match up, should be a hellava series.
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yes it should be good.
I would have liked the suns this year because i like Nash, ever since they made the Shaq trade I have wished for their demise. :D
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LAL vs DEN Episode 3 begins!
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finally, a win
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They put a beat down on the Spurs today. Maybe I spoke too soon? Keep in mind the Suns almost won game 1.
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They put a beat down on the Spurs today. Maybe I spoke too soon? Keep in mind the Suns almost won game 1.
Wrong. You are being too kind to the Suns (albeit a good team). There is no way in heaven or earth that they win the next three (2 of which on the road) against the defending world champions (and I am in no way a Spurs fan). This is waht you call a "Saving Face" game. The Suns saved face today.
Stick a fork in it. It is done.
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YWrong. You are being kind to th Suns (albeit a good team). There is no way in heaven or earth that they win the next three (2 of which on the road) against the defending world champions (and I am in no way a Spurs fan). This is waht you call a "Saving Face" game. The Suns saved face today.
Stick a fork in it. It is done.
Well, history says no team has ever come back from 0-3 to win a 7 game series, so you're probably right. But happens if the Suns win game 5?
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Well, history says no team has ever come back from 0-3 to win a 7 game series, so you're probably right. But happens if the Suns win game 5?
Then we have a series. But it is a very, very big "what if...." They are not just trying to buck history, they are trying to do it against a very experienced, championship calliber team. Maybe the team of the decade (unless, of course, the Lakers do what they are supposed to this year, then we have a different team of the decade....)
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Then we have a series. But it is a very, very big "what if...." They are not just trying to buck history, they are trying to do it against a very experienced, championship calliber team. Maybe the team of the decade (unless, of corse, the Lakers do what they are supposed to this year....)
Not really that big of an "if" considering they almost beat the Spurs in game 1 in San Antonio. Don't get me wrong, I think at this point that the Spurs are the better team, will probably win the series, and I give them an edge over my Lakers (if Bynum and Ariza don't return), but the Suns can make it a series if they win game 5.
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I see the suns dealing Amare in the off season. The Mavs have to start from scratch. Josh Howard is history.
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I see the suns dealing Amare in the off season. The Mavs have to start from scratch. Josh Howard is history.
give him one more year
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Is Sam Mitchell history?
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What in the world are the Hawks doing tied with the Celtics two games a piece? :o
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What in the world are the Hawks doing tied with the Celtics two games a piece? :o
Exactly. The East is looking like how I thought the West was going to play out. Pistons tied with Philly?
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hahahah
carmella anthony is terrible
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Exactly. The East is looking like how I thought the West was going to play out. Pistons tied with Philly?
I don't if the Celtics and Pistons overlooked these guys or whether they simply aren't as good as their record?
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I don't if the Celtics and Pistons overlooked these guys or whether they simply aren't as good as their record?
I kind of think the Celts aren't built for the playoffs.
I figured it would be kind of tough for the Pistons because Philly has been playing hard all year and are just athletic enough to give a team like Detroit the fits.
That being said, it's probably a little of both.
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I kind of think the Celts aren't built for the playoffs.
I figured it would be kind of tough for the Pistons because Philly has been playing hard all year and are just athletic enough to give a team like Detroit the fits.
That being said, it's probably a little of both.
Makes sense.
How about Howard getting 21 and 21?
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How sweep it is. ;D Kobe is in a class by himself. He fouled out Martin and Anthony. On four series with the game on the line, he hit an off balance contested 20 footer, a three pointer, a left handed layup off a spin move to his left, and a running right hander off the glass on the right side.
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Makes sense.
How about Howard getting 21 and 21?
That dude is just sick. 23 years old and just abusing people.
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How sweep it is. ;D Kobe is in a class by himself. He fouled out Martin and Anthony. On four series with the game on the line, he hit an off balance contested 20 footer, a three pointer, a left handed layup off a spin move to his left, and a running right hander off the glass on the right side.
I'm looking forward to the Laker/Utah matchup.
That should be a good series.
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That dude is just sick. 23 years old and just abusing people.
Yep. He had ten offensive rebounds. Dennis Rodman with skills and an extra 100 pounds.
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I'm looking forward to the Laker/Utah matchup.
That should be a good series.
Agree. I'm glad the Lakers don't have to face a true center yet (till the Conference finals).
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How sweep it is. ;D Kobe is in a class by himself. He fouled out Martin and Anthony. On four series with the game on the line, he hit an off balance contested 20 footer, a three pointer, a left handed layup off a spin move to his left, and a running right hander off the glass on the right side.
Love kobe, better than MJ?? hell yes..MJ has more nuthuggers, so all abuse towards me is expected, but kobe is a straight killer..
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What in the world are the Hawks doing tied with the Celtics two games a piece? :o
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Can you say "New England Patriots?"
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Can you say "New England Patriots?"
its a little scare, they will come back, but if they lose, that would be historic.
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its a little scare, they will come back, but if they lose, that would be historic.
And the NY Giants were . . . . historic also?
I'm not predicting I'm just wondering. The "big three" consist of 3 guys who have never won ANYTHING. Garnet came the closest and the Lakers owed him in the T-Wolves best season.
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I notice Body88 hasn't poked his head in here about the Celtic/Hawks as of late. Wonder what his take on it is.
I watched Game 4 last night and the Hawks have some good young talent on that team with Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. Add a still in his prime Mike Bibby and they have a nice little core group.
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...The "big three" consist of 3 guys who have never won ANYTHING. Granett came the closest and the Lakers owed him in the T-Wolves best season.
I know Ray's always carried a reputation as a soft player. Sometimes he was when he played with the Bucks. You never can fully trust pure jump shooters.
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How sweep it is. ;D Kobe is in a class by himself. He fouled out Martin and Anthony. On four series with the game on the line, he hit an off balance contested 20 footer, a three pointer, a left handed layup off a spin move to his left, and a running right hander off the glass on the right side.
Here is a better description:
He hit an 18-foot turnaround as the shot clock expired to give the Lakers a 90-88 lead with 5:31 to play.
Then he hit a three-pointer, a left-handed finger roll after spinning around J.R. Smith, a 21-footer, a free throw, an eight-foot running bank and two more free throws.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers29apr29,1,2794233.story
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I notice Body88 hasn't poked his head in here about the Celtic/Hawks as of late. Wonder what his take on it is.
I watched Game 4 last night and the Hawks have some good young talent on that team with Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. Add a still in his prime Mike Bibby and they have a nice little core group.
The Celtics had a major meltdown in Atlanta. They really had to try to give up those huge leads thay had. I doubt the Celtics take the hawks lightly for the rest of the series. I'm glad they didn't sweep em, teaches them a lesson.
I am still wondering how Garnett got a technical for doing absolutly nothing, and the truth got fined 25k for making a dumb teen sign. yet kid was not fined for a blatent technical foul (that was very dangerous) the other night.
The officiating in Basketball is horrible IMO.
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Strike up the band, my Jazz are going to play some sweet music tonight! Unfortunately I am a huge Rockets fan too but got to go with the team with the best chance this year.
Cant wait for the Lakers, in my opinion it all comes down to Boozer vs. Gasol, Kobe's going to do his thing and the Lakers really dont have anyone to guard Williams
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Well guys It's do or die for the suns today, If they lose will Kerr get sacked? do they get a new coach? what happens to nash? his a great point guard, but tony parker is raping him and cumming on him, Cant really diss Shaq, he knows his old and they asked for him,but his got $40M owing, i know none of us will say no to $40M so i support him. his 37 next year and will be around till his 38, he wont retire before his contracts up.
If they can trap parker, and go into a zone defense they can win, but they lapse to much.
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Well guys It's do or die for the suns today, If they lose will Kerr get sacked? do they get a new coach? what happens to nash? his a great point guard, but tony parker is raping him and cumming on him, Cant really diss Shaq, he knows his old and they asked for him,but his got $40M owing, i know none of us will say no to $40M so i support him. his 37 next year and will be around till his 38, he wont retire before his contracts up.
If they can trap parker, and go into a zone defense they can win, but they lapse to much.
Even if they somehow pull off the impossible and win the series they go from tony parker to chris paul. :-\
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Even if they somehow pull off the impossible and win the series they go from tony parker to chris paul. :-\
i was thinking that, oh fuck it, amare, shaq, nash & co dont pay my bills.
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My Spurs did it.
And their reward is New Orleans :(
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Tough luck Quick. That Shaq trade helped do them in. Time to blow up the Suns?
Same with the Mavs. They went from a few bad calls in the NBA Finals to losing in the first round two years in a row. Kidd apparently wasn't the answer.
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Tough luck Quick. That Shaq trade helped do them in. Time to blow up the Suns?
Same with the Mavs. They went from a few bad calls in the NBA Finals to losing in the first round two years in a row. Kidd apparently wasn't the answer.
Im convinced GM's and owners are about commercial success, rather then winning rings..what the fuck did shaq do all year..sell more jerseys, get more games on T.V and more exposure....and im a shaq fan.
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I'm a huge Shaq fan, but the trade clearly made that team worse.
Even tonite, they played their best ball late when he was out. The turnovers killed them, though...not sure how they made so many mental errors in the 4th. I was hoping they'd force the Spurs to play at least one more game this round.
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I'm a huge Shaq fan, but the trade clearly made that team worse.
Even tonite, they played their best ball late when he was out. The turnovers killed them, though...not sure how they made so many mental errors in the 4th. I was hoping they'd force the Spurs to play at least one more game this round.
As did the Kidd trade in Dallas. They get rid of Harris, a small pesky defender who can guard the Nash, Parker's, Williams, Paul's, Davis in the west, and get a old vet like kid, who even in his younger days wasn't a tough defender. Cuban will can Avery, and take apart the Mavs, starting with Howard. D'Antonio will be gone, as will Amare (while he still has value). Joe Johnson leaving looks to have been a smart career move, now. I don't see Karl lasting in Enver either. Seeya AI, seeya Kenyon. Shaq isn't tradable with that salary.
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As did the Kidd trade in Dallas. They get rid of Harris, a small pesky defender who can guard the Nash, Parker's, Williams, Paul's, Davis in the west, and get a old vet like kid, who even in his younger days wasn't a tough defender. Cuban will can Avery, and take apart the Mavs, starting with Howard. D'Antonio will be gone, as will Amare (while he still has value). Joe Johnson leaving looks to have been a smart career move, now. I don't see Karl lasting in Enver either. Seeya AI, seeya Kenyon. Shaq isn't tradable with that salary.
I knew Enver would be finished since the Iverson trade, and carmelo is one dimensional, all he does is post up on the right block with that gay fadeaway and he misses layups, teams know how to isolate him and he dont make anyone better, as for shaq, he should really retire, these figures will destroy the legacy, he was a monster in orlando and L.A, the good thing with the NBA is your always remembered for your best years, like Jordan, he was fucked with the wizards in the last year.
Any how i hope Kobe wins the ring this year.
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I'm a huge Shaq fan, but the trade clearly made that team worse.
Even tonite, they played their best ball late when he was out. The turnovers killed them, though...not sure how they made so many mental errors in the 4th. I was hoping they'd force the Spurs to play at least one more game this round.
Back when Shaq was a monster, one could live with 45% free throw shooting because he was a force of nature in the paint which altered the flow of the game and commnded double and triple teams on the offensive end (and still would score over 30 plus in the playoffs).
Now, you get around 14 points and nine rebounds (sounds like Shawn Marion type stats) AND 9 OF 20 free throw shooting. It's no longer worth it.
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Back when Shaq was a monster, one could live with 45% free throw shooting because he was a force of nature in the paint which altered the flow of the game and commnded double and triple teams on the offensive end (and still would score over 30 plus in the playoffs).
Now, you get around 14 points and nine rebounds (sounds like Shawn Marion type stats) AND 9 OF 20 free throw shooting. It's no longer worth it.
the thing with shaq is his to proud to accept a buyout but he will let opposing defenses maul him, shaq needs to be a back up centre for dwight howard.
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How 'bout them Wizards forcing game 6 on the road last night!
Ain't dead yet--time to force a game 7 in DC!
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the thing with shaq is his to proud to accept a buyout but he will let opposing defenses maul him, shaq needs to be a back up centre for dwight howard.
That's an excellent idea for Shaq
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How 'bout them Wizards forcing game 6 on the road last night!
Ain't dead yet--time to force a game 7 in DC!
Without Arenas.
King James isn't really a closer, yet.
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They're better off without Arenas. Rushing him into the lineup just 10 games left in the regular season hurt their chemistry for the playoffs.
I think Arenas knows this and voluntarily took himself out of the lineup. He should not have been the guy taking that three point shot to try to tie at the end of game 4. His knee is still obviously bothering him and he had no lift on his shot. He may never be the same player he once was before the injury.
Arenas may have played his last game as a Wizard. He will definitely opt out of his contract when the season is over.
I really like the Wizards chances now to pull off the upset. I really do.
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Lakers are angling for success (http://Lakers are angling for success)
video with Phil Jackson + a story from today [may 2nd]
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-triangle2-2008may02,0,4681719.story (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-triangle2-2008may02,0,4681719.story)
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Here come the jazz baby!!
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Got one word for the Celtics......
OVERRATED.
If you can't win a road game against the worst team in the playoffs and close out a series, then how do you think your team will fare against better competition in the next round???
Embarrassing loss by the Celtics against the Hawks in game 6. Just embarrassing. Granted, they'll most likely win game 7 at home but holy shit......7 game series against the #8 seed?? ::)
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Here come the jazz baby!!
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Should be a good series. The Jazz are a good team.
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Got one word for the Celtics......
OVERRATED.
If you can't win a road game against the worst team in the playoffs and close out a series, then how do you think your team will fare against better competition in the next round???
Embarrassing loss by the Celtics against the Hawks in game 6. Just embarrassing. Granted, they'll most likely win game 7 at home but holy shit......7 game series against the #8 seed?? ::)
I'm really surprised by this. Although the Hawks have some great young talent and I'm wondering why they didn't win more games in the regular season, I agree Boston should have closed them out. Should have swept them actually. I think they probably win game 7, but they will have trouble with Detroit in the conference finals and with the Spurs, Lakers, or Hornets in the finals.
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Should be a good series. The Jazz are a good team.
Good team, yes but very vulnerable playing on the road. Great at home, horrible on the road.
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Good team, yes but very vulnerable playing on the road. Great at home, horrible on the road.
True: 37-4 at home and 17-24 on the road. :o Lakers beat them in Utah this year.
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I'm really surprised by this. Although the Hawks have some great young talent and I'm wondering why they didn't win more games in the regular season, I agree Boston should have closed them out. Should have swept them actually. I think they probably win game 7, but they will have trouble with Detroit in the conference finals and with the Spurs, Lakers, or Hornets in the finals.
Boston should win the series, however I saw a couple of those games and Atlanta is playing like they are favored to win. Usually when an underdog team plays you see the old "play like you have nothing to lose" style, which sometimes works but usually leads to mistakes. Atlanta however looks confident that they can beat Boston, I wouldnt be too terribly surprised if they pull of the upset.
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Anyone else disagree with Cuban firing Johnson? As if the Mavs had a championship team this year. ::) They just fired a coach who was winning about 60 games a year. Granted they fell in the first round the past two years, but had the refs not given D-Whistle the Michael Jordan treatment a few years ago, they'd have a ring. They need a big man to compete for a championship, particularly with Bynum, Oden, and Yao coming back next year.
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Boston should win the series, however I saw a couple of those games and Atlanta is playing like they are favored to win. Usually when an underdog team plays you see the old "play like you have nothing to lose" style, which sometimes works but usually leads to mistakes. Atlanta however looks confident that they can beat Boston, I wouldnt be too terribly surprised if they pull of the upset.
We'll see. All three Boston wins have been blowouts.
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Plus, Boston's core of best players in Garnett, Pierce, and Allen are all past the age of 30. This seven game series is going to leave them gassed when they play Cleveland, who shut out their series with the Wiz last night. Garnett plays a lot of minutes anyway and is still very much in his prime but they're going to be weary in the next series against the Cavs.
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Anyone else disagree with Cuban firing Johnson? As if the Mavs had a championship team this year. ::) They just fired a coach who was winning about 60 games a year. Granted they fell in the first round the past two years, but had the refs not given D-Whistle the Michael Jordan treatment a few years ago, they'd have a ring. They need a big man to compete for a championship, particularly with Bynum, Oden, and Yao coming back next year.
Cuban is an idiot, one of the ichiest trigger fingers in the league. Avery is a good coach who had to work with an entirely new point gaurd with like 20 games to go, what do you expect? I wonder how many championsips they have if they never got rid of Nash.
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Cuban is an idiot, one of the ichiest trigger fingers in the league. Avery is a good coach who had to work with an entirely new point gaurd with like 20 games to go, what do you expect? I wonder how many championsips they have if they never got rid of Nash.
Yep. Should have kept Nash.
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I wonder how many championsips they have if they never got rid of Nash.
Answer: The same amount of championships the Suns had with Nash = 0.
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Answer: The same amount of championships the Suns had with Nash = 0.
I dont know about that, you take Nash away from the suns and they would be lucky to make the playoffs, take him away from the Mavs and they still went to the finals. I'd have to think they would have gotten at least one, but then again you never know. Too bad Dirk didn't become the all star he is now until Nash left.
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Looks like Detroit came to play this series. They should make quick work of Orlando.
I don't think the Hornets will walk all over the Spurs, despite the smack down in game 1. The Spurs are too good and too well coached to go down without a fight.
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I dont know about that, you take Nash away from the suns and they would be lucky to make the playoffs, take him away from the Mavs and they still went to the finals. I'd have to think they would have gotten at least one, but then again you never know. Too bad Dirk didn't become the all star he is now until Nash left.
Sorry, disagree 100%. Nash is a defensive liability. He could not anchor a championship team. If Nash and Dirk together did not come close to a championship, that is all the proof you need.
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Looks like Detroit came to play this series. They should make quick work of Orlando.
I don't think the Hornets will walk all over the Spurs, despite the smack down in game 1. The Spurs are too good and too well coached to go down without a fight.
detroit are not mucking around. looking forward to see the outcome of hawks-celtics, i think the celtics will win in a blowout, but would love atlanta to win.
KOBE MVP congrats Bryant, see what you can accomplish playing team ball and trusting your teammates.
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Sorry, disagree 100%. Nash is a defensive liability. He could not anchor a championship team. If Nash and Dirk together did not come close to a championship, that is all the proof you need.
nash is a awesome point guard, but Parker just molested him, cant hate on him though he is a MVP also
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nash is a awesome point guard, but Parker just molested him, cant hate on him though he is a MVP also
I didn't mean to put down Nash. My bigger point was Dallas didn't win when they had both Dirk and Nash.
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Great first half by the lakers. they had poor rebounding in the 2nd half.
Would have been better if this was a night game. Theres nothing to watch on sunday evening.
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Yeah. I like late Sunday afternoon games too.
Great win by the Lakers. I really like this team.
Boston didn't play around today. Some hard fouls.
Too bad Atlanta didn't get into the lottery. They're a player away from contending in the East.
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Yeah. I like late Sunday afternoon games too.
Great win by the Lakers. I really like this team.
Boston didn't play around today. Some hard fouls.
Too bad Atlanta didn't get into the lottery. They're a player away from contending in the East.
Atlanta got lucky, i dont think they need a lottery pick, the draft is weak this year, they maybe need d-wade, now that i mention it, why dont stars go to atlanta, are the strip clubs to much of a disruption? i never been to the states the only thing i know bout atlanta is "Magic city"
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Atlanta got lucky, i dont think they need a lottery pick, the draft is weak this year, they maybe need d-wade, now that i mention it, why dont stars go to atlanta, are the strip clubs to much of a disruption? i never been to the states the only thing i know bout atlanta is "Magic city"
I was just there a couple weeks ago. It's actually a pretty nice city. Lot of history. A lot going on.
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I was just there a couple weeks ago. It's actually a pretty nice city. Lot of history. A lot going on.
Im sure it is! never been to the states, want to go and watch a NBA game soon though
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I was just there a couple weeks ago. It's actually a pretty nice city. Lot of history. A lot going on.
The city is very nice. Very new, and up and coming. A lot going on at night, and as you said a lot of history and things going on. However, as a sports town, you would be hard pressed to find a worse one than Atlanta. Just my opinion of course.
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The city is very nice. Very new, and up and coming. A lot going on at night, and as you said a lot of history and things going on. However, as a sports town, you would be hard pressed to find a worse one than Atlanta. Just my opinion of course.
Really? Why do you say that?
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Really? Why do you say that?
I think the fans are highly uneducated about pro sports history, and opposing teams. Just my opinion of course.
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Got one word for the Celtics......
OVERRATED.
If you can't win a road game against the worst team in the playoffs and close out a series, then how do you think your team will fare against better competition in the next round???
Embarrassing loss by the Celtics against the Hawks in game 6. Just embarrassing. Granted, they'll most likely win game 7 at home but holy shit......7 game series against the #8 seed?? ::)
I'm not worried though, ten bucks says you eat all the words you posted :D ;)
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I think the fans are highly uneducated about pro sports history, and opposing teams. Just my opinion of course.
Ah so. I don't watch Atlanta sports teams much, but seems like they have two good franchises (football and baseball) and a basketball team with a lot of history.
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Ah so. I don't watch Atlanta sports teams much, but seems like they have two good franchises (football and baseball) and a basketball team with a lot of history.
Next time you are walking around Atlanta, talk sports with some random citizens. Prolly became sports fans the week before. No offense to anyone from Atlanta here, I am not referring to ALL Atlanta sports fans. The heavy influx of young professionals has watered down the town sports wise.
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I'm not worried though, ten bucks says you eat all the words you posted :D ;)
So what you're saying is that the Celtics endured a wake-up call against the Hawks and are now going to lose only a couple of more times on their way to the NBA title??
How do you think the defending NBA champ Spurs would've done against the Hawks in a 7 games series, hypothetically speaking? I think you know the answer to that one.
The bottom line is that the Celtics still have much to prove that they're a legit NBA title contender. It all comes down to how they play Detroit in the East finals, provided they get past the Cavs.
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So what you're saying is that the Celtics endured a wake-up call against the Hawks and are now going to lose only a couple of more times on their way to the NBA title??
How do you think the defending NBA champ Spurs would've done against the Hawks in a 7 games series, hypothetically speaking? I think you know the answer to that one.
The bottom line is that the Celtics still have much to prove that they're a legit NBA title contender. It all comes down to how they play Detroit in the East finals, provided they get past the Cavs.
I think they have the talent to win. I don't think anything you said is wrong. In fact, it is all quite true. I am giving the Celtics a little more leeway, and the hawks a bit more credit than you. I think the Celtics took the Hawks lightly, and they suffered a bit of playoff inexperience on the road. The team has only been together for a year. When they beat the hawks they stomped their heads in, and when they lost it was VERY close. I think the Celtics learn from that series and move on. The Celtics beat the Hawks by over 40 points in there last meeting. However, from an experience standpoint you are correct, the Celtics need to grow up.
We shall see.
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I think they have the talent to win. I don't think anything you said is wrong. In fact, it is all quite true. I am giving the Celtics a little more leeway, and the hawks a bit more credit than you. I think the Celtics took the Hawks lightly, and they suffered a bit of playoff inexperience on the road. The team has only been together for a year. When they beat the hawks they stomped their heads in, and when they lost it was VERY close. I think the Celtics learn from that series and move on. The Celtics beat the Hawks by over 40 points in there last meeting. However, from an experience standpoint you are correct, the Celtics need to grow up.
We shall see.
Look, the Celtics are a great team, no question. They won 66 games this year! That's impressive no matter what conference they play in. Championship caliber? Remains to be seen, IMO. And if they don't win this year? How long of a window do they have to win it all? Garnett, Allen, and Pierce are not spring chickens anymore.
It could be argued that this has to be the year to get it done.
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Look, the Celtics are a great team, no question. They won 66 games this year! That's impressive no matter what conference they play in. Championship caliber? Remains to be seen, IMO. And if they don't win this year? How long of a window do they have to win it all? Garnett, Allen, and Pierce are not spring chickens anymore.
It could be argued that this has to be the year to get it done.
I think they will be highly competative for at least the next two years. As bad as the celtics where last year, Boston fans are just happy to watch a good team wear the colors.
I cant say for certain they are a championship team. Depends on if they learned from Atlanta, and they play there best basketball. I will say if they play like they did in the last game of the Atlants series, no one will beat them.
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if they play like they did in the last game of the Atlants series, no one will beat them.
I admire your enthusiasm, but citing a home win (no matter how impressive) against a 37-45 team doesn't make the case. For example, a 37 win team in the East is equivalent to a 22 win team in the West, Minnesota for example. On February 13, 2008, the Lakers beat Minnesota at Minnesota 117-92. Can you imagine if a Lakers fan said "If the Lakers play like they did against Minnesota, no one will beat them."
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Good point.
The Celtics have yet to prove they can win on the road in the playoffs.
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I admire your enthusiasm, but citing a home win (no matter how impressive) against a 37-45 team doesn't make the case. For example, a 37 win team in the East is equivalent to a 22 win team in the West, Minnesota for example. On February 13, 2008, the Lakers beat Minnesota at Minnesota 117-92. Can you imagine if a Lakers fan said "If the Lakers play like they did against Minnesota, no one will beat them."
I didn't imagine the Celtics beating the crap out of the west all year. The Celtics have the talent to win, and if they can be a mature basketball team I think they will be successful.
I said if the Celtics played the way they did in the last game of the playoffs no one could beat them, which is true. I didn't cite some game from the regular season. Hawks or not, the Celtics played complete basketball for the entire game during game seven, and they looked like the team they where in the regular season ( which when playing complete ball - beat all the best teams in the west).
If the laker's blew out the Hawks, and played pretty much perfect basketball and you said - " if the Laker's play like that for the rest of the playoffs - they won't lose) I would have no problem with that. I'm not saying that is going to happen, I'm simply saying that if the Celtics play like they did in game seven ( and like they did for the vast majority of the regular season), I don't think they will lose.
Spare me with the east west stuff, the Celtics record vs the best conference in the NBA says it all. They have the talent to win, it will come down to if they learn from what happened in Atlanta, and Rivers can hold them together as a team. Did they play at to high a level all year, I dont know. You could argue that they cant "turn it up a notch" in the playoffs, because they played at such a high level all year.
Most people are trying to think of any excuse to tell me why the Celtics won't win, and some people are telling me why they wont win next year. Fact is this is a very good basketball team ( that's still inexperienced as a team in the playoffs) that beat the best of the best all year during the regular season. If they play to their ability, they have a very good shot to win it all.
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Good point.
The Celtics have yet to prove they can win on the road in the playoffs.
That's true.
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I didn't imagine the Celtics beating the crap out of the west all year. The Celtics have the talent to win, and if they can be a mature basketball team I think they will be successful.
I said if the Celtics played the way they did in the last game of the playoffs no one could beat them, which is true. I didn't cite some game from the regular season. Hawks or not, the Celtics played complete basketball for the entire game during game seven, and they looked like the team they where in the regular season ( which when playing complete ball - beat all the best teams in the west).
If the laker's blew out the Hawks, and played pretty much perfect basketball and you said - " if the Laker's play like that for the rest of the playoffs - they won't lose) I would have no problem with that. I'm not saying that is going to happen, I'm simply saying that if the Celtics play like they did in game seven ( and like they did for the vast majority of the regular season), I don't think they will lose.
Spare me with the east west stuff, the Celtics record vs the best conference in the NBA says it all. They have the talent to win, it will come down to if they learn from what happened in Atlanta, and Rivers can hold them together as a team. Did they play at to high a level all year, I dont know. You could argue that they cant "turn it up a notch" in the playoffs, because they played at such a high level all year.
Most people are trying to think of any excuse to tell me why the Celtics won't win, and some people are telling me why they wont win next year. Fact is this is a very good basketball team ( that's still inexperienced as a team in the playoffs) that beat the best of the best all year during the regular season. If they play to their ability, they have a very good shot to win it all.
No one is taking anything away from the Celts performance against the West but it is hard to deny that a team like Atlanta would not have been in the playoffs in the West. They are the equivalent of the T-Wolves if you factor in the conference differences. 50 wins gets you an 8th seed in the west, that is a fact.
I'm sorry, the Celts playoff performance to date does not make me a believer. Seven games against the Hawks and a very lackluster win against the Cavs (another team which might not make the playoffs in the West, or at best an 8th seed). I'm not hating, but come on, you are better than that-- to hype a game seven home win against the Hawks as an indicator of playoff invincibility . . . They have yet to stand up and be counted in the playoffs.
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No one is taking anything away from the Celts performance against the West but it is hard to deny that a team like Atlanta would not have been in the playoffs in the West. They are the equivalent of the T-Wolves if you factor in the conference differences. 50 wins gets you an 8th seed in the west, that is a fact.
I'm sorry, the Celts playoff performance to date does not make me a believer. Seven games against the Hawks and a very lackluster win against the Cavs (another team which might not make the playoffs in the West, or at best an 8th seed). I'm not hating, but come on, you are better than that-- to hype a game seven home win against the Hawks as an indicator of playoff invincibility . . . They have yet to stand up and be counted in the playoffs.
I'm not hyping anything. I said I believe in my team, whats so hype about that? I think they are a very talented team, that does not have playoff experience. Imo, if they can learn from that Atlanta series, and play the basketball they are capable off, I think they can contend. As for last night, how many times do you see Ray Allen go scoreless, or see the celts turn it over more than 13 times? Bad game on BOTH sides of the ball.
I don't know if the celtics will make it to the finals, but I have watched them all year, and I believe they have the talent to do it. We will see what happens, either way it's a vast improvement over last year!
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I'm not hyping anything. I said I believe in my team, whats so hype about that? I think they are a very talented team, that does not have playoff experience. Imo, if they can learn from that Atlanta series, and play the basketball they are capable off, I think they can contend. As for last night, how many times do you see Ray Allen go scoreless, or see the celts turn it over more than 13 times? Bad game on BOTH sides of the ball.
I don't know if the celtics will make it to the finals, but I have watched them all year, and I believe they have the talent to do it. We will see what happens, either way it's a vast improvement over last year!
No doubt a historic improvement. Can't take that away from them. Also I agree they contend for sure, but its not a run away. (i.e., "no one can beat them" which is the statement I though was "hyping"). LA, NO and Detroit are all capable of beating the Celts (and vice versa) in a seven game series.
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there are too many timeouts.
This laker game has too many stops. >:(
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The MVP playing like an MVP: 34 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists. They can't stop him, they can only hope to contain him. :)
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No doubt a historic improvement. Can't take that away from them. Also I agree they contend for sure, but its not a run away. (i.e., "no one can beat them" which is the statement I though was "hyping"). LA, NO and Detroit are all capable of beating the Celts (and vice versa) in a seven game series.
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True, but I meant that if the Celtics play the brand of basketball they played in game seven ( which they played in the regular season ) I don't think they would lose a series. Not to say they will, just saying.
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Cmon guys, anything can happen in the playoffs, the celts are fully equiped! the more they get tested in the playoffs the better they get, i just dont like Doc rivers as the coach for some reason..
And beach bum, kobe is on fire, i told you before i was a huge kobe fan in the shaq days, the way he is switched on now i could go out now i buy a 24 jersey, brilliant, i love his game, can beat anyone off the dribble and is a killer on the perimeter..
Hope the lakers win the title..
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Cmon guys, anything can happen in the playoffs, the celts are fully equiped! the more they get tested in the playoffs the better they get, i just dont like Doc rivers as the coach for some reason..
And beach bum, kobe is on fire, i told you before i was a huge kobe fan in the shaq days, the way he is switched on now i could go out now i buy a 24 jersey, brilliant, i love his game, can beat anyone off the dribble and is a killer on the perimeter..
Hope the lakers win the title..
I agree (about the Celtics, Kobe, and the Lakers).
How cool would a Celtics/Lakers finals be? I hope it happens.
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I agree (about the Celtics, Kobe, and the Lakers).
How cool would a Celtics/Lakers finals be? I hope it happens.
lakers have to be the favourites.
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Feckin Booze is playing like sheeet!!!! However everyone talking about a lakers sweep you might want to keep your brooms in the closet. Lets see what happens in Utah first. For my boys to have any chance they cant just win the game, they have to make a statement, only way Jazz get back in this thing is with like a 20 point blowout.
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Feckin Booze is playing like sheeet!!!! However everyone talking about a lakers sweep you might want to keep your brooms in the closet. Lets see what happens in Utah first. For my boys to have any chance they cant just win the game, they have to make a statement, only way Jazz get back in this thing is with like a 20 point blowout.
anyhthing can happens, but the most likely scenario is kobe just destroying Utah and crushing Mormon dreams (no offense to mormons)
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anyhthing can happens, but the most likely scenario is kobe just destroying Utah and crushing Mormon dreams (no offense to mormons)
If I was a betting man I say lakers win, but I'd be willing to bet anything that this goes at least 6 games.
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That's why they play the game. We'll see what Jazz team shows up on Friday and Sunday. They were the toughest home team in the NBA this year. Only 4 losses (one to the Lakers without Bynum or Gasol).
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That's why they play the game. We'll see what Jazz team shows up on Friday and Sunday. They were the toughest home team in the NBA this year. Only 4 losses (one to the Lakers without Bynum or Gasol).
when it comes to playing on the road, Kobe excels. no doubt.
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what a boring bos-cle game.
I can't wait till the lakers play.
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what a boring bos-cle game.
I can't wait till the lakers play.
cavs are getting killed, lebron needs to fuck off from the cavs. thats a talentless team
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hornets are playing hard.
I want this series to go long. maybe 6 games we'll see.
the odds of them and the jazz coming back are poor
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I don't like listening to a woman commentator.
Reggie miller isn't too bad, what you do think?
van gundy always manages to rip someone.
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Celts need a win in Cleveland to silence the critics. Lebron is too good, and is going to go off at home.
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ginobili made a nice pass to parker in the 4th 8min
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King James is not ready for prime time this year. He looks horrible.
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King James is not ready for prime time this year. He looks horrible.
Celts are trapping him 25 feet out, and forcing him to make those jumpers. He has to work very hard, for every point he scores. Even when he is getting good looks, he is uncomfortable. However, I fully expect for him to go off in one of these games.
I am happy to see that the Celtics are plying with energy again. Looks like they learned a thing or to from the Atlanta series. Hopefully they can win on the road, and they can take that final step.
I would love to see our two teams play in the finals. Boston vs LA would be epic in every way.
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I would love to see our two teams play in the finals. Boston vs LA would be epic in every way.
This match up would be the NBA's dream and ratings bonanza
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As long as the Spurs don't make it to the Finals, then Boston versus either LA or NO would be a great finals matchup and draw huge ratings.
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Hey Body88,
Check this link out on Kevin Garnett. He totally clowns Craig Sager during an interview. Pretty funny.
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Hey Body88,
Check this link out on Kevin Garnett. He totally clowns Craig Sager during an interview. Pretty funny.
Haha, owned...
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hilarious shaq.
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Those Jazz fans booing Fisher (again) have no class. Really uncalled for. The guy was let out of his contract in Utah and moved to LA to be near the doctor who was treating his daughter.
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Those Jazz fans booing Fisher (again) have no class. Really uncalled for. The guy was let out of his contract in Utah and moved to LA to be near the doctor who was treating his daughter.
I agree, fucking scumbags, mormon motherfuckers
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I agree, fucking scumbags, mormon motherfuckers
;D
they're terrible.
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kobe needs to drive in more, he relying on the outside shot and there not falling.
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everyone is struggling and their defence is awful tonight. still some time left.
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I'm okay with this loss. The Jazz played about as well as they can, the Lakers were off, and the Jazz only won by 5. I think the Lakers win game 4 on Sunday.
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they can win the series in LA in game 5
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I'm okay with this loss. The Jazz played about as well as they can, the Lakers were off, and the Jazz only won by 5. I think the Lakers win game 4 on Sunday.
No one has ever won every game on a way to a championship (the Lakers came close once). This loss was totally predictable, if there was one I thought they could lose, this would be it. The Lakers need to do themselves a favor and adjust for he next game, so that the series will be 3-1 and effectively over. Otherwise it is nail biting time . . but not really (we all know who is going to win this series deep down).
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Did you see Kobe dunk on AK47? Very nice.
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Did you see Kobe dunk on AK47? Very nice.
It's heard to feel any beauty in a loss today, Fellow Lakers Brother
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It's heard to feel any beauty in a loss today, Fellow Lakers Brother
I hear you, although this one doesn't really bother me. The Lakers did not play well, the Jazz played up to their potential, and we still had a chance to win the game. I'll be a little more worried if we lose game 4.
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I hear you, although this one doesn't really bother me. The Lakers did not play well, the Jazz played up to their potential, and we still had a chance to win the game. I'll be a little more worried if we lose game 4.
your to emotional, your a laker fan i understand, im not biased, lakers take game 4, watch kobe go for 20 points in the 4th if there down by the end of the 3rd quarter!
i've seen it all before, when kobe goes into the jordan killer mode his 10 times better then lebron, he will make the lakers win
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Those Jazz fans booing Fisher (again) have no class. Really uncalled for. The guy was let out of his contract in Utah and moved to LA to be near the doctor who was treating his daughter.
Mormons don't really like Blacks, unless they're making money for them (the Mormons).
Definitely shows a lack of class, however.
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Mormons don't really like Blacks, unless they're making money for them (the Mormons).
Definitely shows a lack of class, however.
Fuck mormons! (no offense to mormons on getbig, just the ones booing at the utah game)
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Those Jazz fans booing Fisher (again) have no class. Really uncalled for. The guy was let out of his contract in Utah and moved to LA to be near the doctor who was treating his daughter.
Honestly I as a Jazz fan most everyone really respects Fisher, I dont think they were booing him anymore than anyone else, did you hear the boos when Kobe was at the line?
Did you see Kobe dunk on AK47? Very nice.
Did you see Ak's block on Gasol? ;)
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Honestly I as a Jazz fan most everyone really respects Fisher, I dont think they were booing him anymore than anyone else, did you hear the boos when Kobe was at the line?
Did you see Ak's block on Gasol? ;)
I heard them booing kobe alot too. they booed derek the whole game.
Gasol had a terrible game. They could have won this game, better to lose one game now than later.
Okur played great, what does his wife look like?
SA will win tonight.
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I heard them booing kobe alot too. they booed derek the whole game.
Gasol had a terrible game. They could have won this game, better to lose one game now than later.
Okur played great, what does his wife look like?
SA will win tonight.
It must be good to be Eastern European in the league, Okur's wife is hot and so is Kirlenko's, and I don't think those two will be modeling for Clavin Klein anytime soon.
Okur did have a great game and he is fun to watch, if you look at him he looks like he shouldn't be able to play ball at all. Almost like the old fat white guy at the YMCA who ends up doing you up because he knows every little nuance of the game.
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http://nballin.com/hottest-nba-players-wives-girlfriends-poll/ (http://nballin.com/hottest-nba-players-wives-girlfriends-poll/)
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Honestly I as a Jazz fan most everyone really respects Fisher, I dont think they were booing him anymore than anyone else, did you hear the boos when Kobe was at the line?
Did you see Ak's block on Gasol? ;)
They specifically targeted Fisher during the regular season. It is shameful.
I saw the AK block on Gasol. Did you see Kobe foul out AK47 . . . again? :)
How about the pass off the backboard followed by a dunk? Here is what the Jazz had to say about it:
And with just less than five minutes to go in the fourth, he made the play of the game, pulling the Lakers to within six at 92-86.
Caught in an Andrei Kirilenko/Kyle Korver trap, Bryant went All-Star Game on the Jazz, throwing a lengthy pass off the backboard to himself and dunking it home with authority.
He wasn't awarded an assist, but he arguably could have been.
"It was unbelievable. I think I looked at [teammate] Jarron Collins [who was sitting on the bench] and was like, 'Wow.' And I was in the game," Jazz point Deron Williams said. "Sometimes you've just got to give respect when respect's due. I think he meant to do it. I know he meant to do it."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080510
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No denying that Kobe is king of the castle, you just cant hope to stop the man, I think my boy Kirelenko does a good a job as just about anybody in the league.
As far as Fisher goes there are definetly some Jazz fans who's passion for the game is shameful, obiviously it is a stand up orgaziation for letting Fisher go in the first place without even trying to get anything for him. I guess I like to think my fellow Jazz fans are better than taht, but maybe your right.
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AK is a great defender. Given that, it's amazing that Kobe has scored 38, 34, and 34 and AK has fouled out in all three games. :o
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Another road loss for the Celtics. The good thing for them is they don't ever have to win on road, so long as they defend home court.
King James 5 for 16. He is stinking up the joint. He is unable to handle the double team and his shot his terrible.
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I admit it, the Celtics need to step up on the road. However, they do have home court throughout. That said, they need to win on the road.
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Another road loss for the Celtics. The good thing for them is they don't ever have to win on road, so long as they defend home court.
King James 5 for 16. He is stinking up the joint. He is unable to handle the double team and his shot his terrible.
his just in a funk, MJ had his moments, i remember when the trailblazers and knicks smothered him and he lost his rythym, Lebron will have to come back strong from now on.
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obiviously it is a stand up orgaziation for letting Fisher go in the first place without even trying to get anything for him.
Agreed.
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his just in a funk, MJ had his moments, i remember when the trailblazers and knicks smothered him and he lost his rythym, Lebron will have to come back strong from now on.
Quick I'm not sure if he's just in a funk or if he just can't play through the double team. He was never a great shooter either. His game is getting to the rim. If he can't consistently knock down 20 footers or split the double team he's going to continue to have problems.
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Quick I'm not sure if he's just in a funk or if he just can't play through the double team. He was never a great shooter either. His game is getting to the rim. If he can't consistently knock down 20 footers or split the double team he's going to continue to have problems.
BB he will eventually be regarded as Kobe's successor, but right now he is revealing why Kobe, and not LeB, is the hands down MVP.
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BB he will eventually be regarded as Kobe's successor, but right now he is revealing why Kobe, and not LeB, is the hands down MVP.
I agree. He also has to be more consistent on the defensive end.
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I agree. He also has to be more consistent on the defensive end.
Agree. That is why Kobe is the true MJ successor and other pretenders have fallen by the wayside over the years (e.e., T-Mac, Iverson, Vince Carter, D-Wade etc , etc). There us only one guy playing today that can score inside and outside, dish the ball, and play top-notch defense. That man is Kobe, who eventually will be regarded as greater than MJ.
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what happened to kobe i missed the 1st quarter
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nevermind I thought he was injured. his back was wrapped.
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nevermind I thought he was injured. his back was wrapped.
Kobe is fine affecting his free throws a little, nothing else
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lakers need to get some good stops and go on a run
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lakers need to get some good stops and go on a run
Right where they want to be. BS ejection on Turiaf by the way. Good hard foul, nothing dastardly.
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2-2 it was close..kobe needs to go off
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Right where they want to be. BS ejection on Turiaf by the way. Good hard foul, nothing dastardly.
Agree. Definitely not a flagrant.
Kobe is a stud. If he is 100 percent on Wednesday the Lakers shouldn't have a problem. He was really limited today with the back injury. AK was throwing his stuff all over the court.
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Agree. Definitely not a flagrant.
Kobe is a stud. If he is 100 percent on Wednesday the Lakers shouldn't have a problem. He was really limited today with the back injury. AK was throwing his stuff all over the court.
The league needs to review that call and reverse it. Just because someone gets hurt doesn't mean the foul is a flagrant.
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Man the home court id dominating the games in this second round, is this a record for most games won by the home court? Kind of sucks if your team doesn't have the home court advantage, I guess we will see Wednesday how my boys will do back in LA. Hopefully Kobe's not 100% ;D
By the way I agree that the Turiaf call was bullshit, shouldn't have got tossed.
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LeBrick can't throw the ball in the ocean. What happened to his shot?
Tale of two teams again for Boston.
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If Cleveland can steal game 5 in Boston, and that's a BIG if, It will be lights out for the Celtics when the series goes back to Cleveland.
It's embarrasing that a team that won 66 games in the regular season has yet to win a road game in the second round of the playoffs.
Shows you how overrated the significance of the regular season actually is. Especially in the Eastern conference.
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If Cleveland can steal game 5 in Boston, and that's a BIG if, It will be lights out for the Celtics when the series goes back to Cleveland.
It's embarrasing that a team that won 66 games in the regular season has yet to win a road game in the second round of the playoffs.
Shows you how overrated the significance of the regular season actually is. Especially in the Eastern conference.
Haha, you are just salivating at the thought of talking about how overrated the celtics are (if they lose this series)... The fact is the celtics are shooting themselves in the foot over and over on the road. I'm going to let the series play out before I claim how embarrasing they are. Missing routine buckets, getting away from what makes them the team they are and bone-head plays are killing them on the road. They are settling for jumpers, when they should be attacking the hoop. Shit, put a body on someone on the road!
It cannot be ignored how good the Celtics were on the road this year, it's obvious they are mentally losing these games with mistakes and (at times) lack of confidence. Rivers needs to formulate an actual offensive plan. The Celtics are all over the place on the road, and I think coaching has something to do with it.
The Celtics have the talent to go to the Finals, HOWEVER they might not be mentally ready yet.
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Well, it's becoming more of a topic in the news about their road woes. The Celtics are a good team, no doubt. But obviously they need to match the intensity they play with at home on the road. Kevin Garnett need to do more than just thump his chest in order to get his team fired up.
Dude, all I'm saying is this...If the Celtics lose game 5 at home....
Start sweating because the end is near.
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Well, it's becoming more of a topic in the news about their road woes. The Celtics are a good team, no doubt. But obviously they need to match the intensity they play with at home on the road. Kevin Garnett need to do more than just thump his chest in order to get his team fired up.
Dude, all I'm saying is this...If the Celtics lose game 5 at home....
Start sweating because the end is near.
I know it has become a topic, and many mediots are salivating at the possibility of another Boston sports team losing a major playoff. I dont agree with what you said about Garnett, he has been the only one on the Celtics that has been consistantly playing well. If i had to knock him over anything, it would be the fact that he is not taking it to the hole enough... Garnett can't do it all by himself, and guys like Peirce and Allen need to play consistant basketball for them to win.
I really think that Rivers is to blame for the offensive woes on the road. The Celtics have no plan, and they lack confidence on the road. I know they have the talent to win - ( you dont win 66 games, and have the record they did against the west) with lack of talent.
I agree with you that if they drop one home, they are in trouble. But, it may also light a fire under their ass. I'm not going to sweat, or be embarresed of the Celtics. They are a team that is one year old, that obv lacks maturity in the playoffs. Shit, many of the celts bench players are very young guys.I wont be one bit shocked if the Celts blow out the cavs at home, and take this series without a single road win.
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I know it has become a topic, and many mediots are salivating at the possibility of another Boston sports team losing a major playoff. I dont agree with what you said about Garnett, he has been the only one on the Celtics that has been consistantly playing well. If i had to knock him over anything, it would be the fact that he is not taking it to the hole enough... Garnett can't do it all by himself, and guys like Peirce and Allen need to play consistant basketball for them to win.
I really think that Rivers is to blame for the offensive woes on the road. The Celtics have no plan, and they lack confidence on the road. I know they have the talent to win - ( you dont win 66 games, and have the record they did against the west) with lack of talent.
I agree with you that if they drop one home, they are in trouble. But, it may also light a fire under their ass. I'm not going to sweat, or be embarresed of the Celtics. They are a team that is one year old, that obv lacks maturity in the playoffs. Shit, many of the celts bench players are very young guys.I wont be one bit shocked if the Celts blow out the cavs at home, and take this series without a single road win.
Boston had the third best road record this year. You can't blame Doc if the players aren't excecuting on the road. They have contained LeBron, but they let role players like Delonte West go off on them. That is a mental lapse. Their d is torrid at home, and decent on the road, but their offensive sets aren't excecuted with the same level of energy or precision as they do at home. That is a player's problem.
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I know it has become a topic, and many mediots are salivating at the possibility of another Boston sports team losing a major playoff. I dont agree with what you said about Garnett, he has been the only one on the Celtics that has been consistantly playing well. If i had to knock him over anything, it would be the fact that he is not taking it to the hole enough... Garnett can't do it all by himself, and guys like Peirce and Allen need to play consistant basketball for them to win.
I really think that Rivers is to blame for the offensive woes on the road. The Celtics have no plan, and they lack confidence on the road. I know they have the talent to win - ( you dont win 66 games, and have the record they did against the west) with lack of talent.
I agree with you that if they drop one home, they are in trouble. But, it may also light a fire under their ass. I'm not going to sweat, or be embarresed of the Celtics. They are a team that is one year old, that obv lacks maturity in the playoffs. Shit, many of the celts bench players are very young guys.I wont be one bit shocked if the Celts blow out the cavs at home, and take this series without a single road win.
I wasn't saying anything bad about Garnett. But he needs to become more selfish with the ball. The irony is that his greatest intangible(his unselfishness) is also a hindrance at times because he too often looks for the open player instead of taking it strong to the hole.
He needs to be more assertive. He defers way too much to Allen and Pierce when taking the ball to the hole. He should be averaging at least 25 points a game in the playoffs.
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I wasn't saying anything bad about Garnett. But he needs to become more selfish with the ball. The irony is that his greatest intangible(his unselfishness) is also a hindrance at times because he too often looks for the open player instead of taking it strong to the hole.
He needs to be more assertive. He defers way too much to Allen and Pierce when taking the ball to the hole. He should be averaging at least 25 points a game in the playoffs.
I agree, he needs to take the ball to the hole. The whole damn team needs to stop settling for jumpers, and take the ball to the hole. They do it at home,and they need to do it on the road.
If they get bounced, Rivers needs to lose his job. I know he is a nice guy, and a great defensive coach.
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I agree, he needs to take the ball to the hole. The whole damn team needs to stop settling for jumpers, and take the ball to the hole. They do it at home,and they need to do it on the road.
If they get bounced, Rivers needs to lose his job. I know he is a nice guy, and a great defensive coach.
If he loses to Cleveland in the second round then yes, he deserves to lose his job. But if he makes it to the conference finals and wins at least 2 games, then his job's safe.
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if boston loses i don't think he should be fired.
the celtics need some consistency a new coach won't make any difference next year.
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You think? If you look at River's career coaching record, it's that not that good.
A great, quality proven coach can always get more out of his players than an average coach who's merit level is disguised by the talent of his own team.
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If he loses to Cleveland in the second round then yes, he deserves to lose his job. But if he makes it to the conference finals and wins at least 2 games, then his job's safe.
I agree.... I like Rivers, but if he cant make it to at least the conference finals he needs to go. The Celtics look lost on the road offensively, and I'm still not sure what plan Rivers is trying to implement. Guts you want to talk about deperation from Rivers? How about BIG BABY playing in the fourth quarter of a big playofff game. I like big baby, but honestly!
This team won 66 regular season games, and won the most road games of any team in the NBA. I know it comes down to the players to make plays, but some of the offensive plan I have seen Rivers implement leaves me scratching my head.
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spurs will win tonight
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You think? If you look at River's career coaching record, it's that not that good.
A great, quality proven coach can always get more out of his players than an average coach who's merit level is disguised by the talent of his own team.
This is true. Phil Jackson took pretty much the same Lakers team that was eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs and won three straight titles.
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guess not.
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This is true. Phil Jackson took pretty much the same Lakers team that was eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs and won three straight titles.
Yes, that team's success had nothing to do with becoming better as a unit after playing together for a longer period of time.
It was ALL PHIL, period.
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being sarcastic, huh?
It wasn't all Phil, obviously. But you take a guy like that and have him coach the Celtics?
They probably wouldn't lose a game in the playoffs.
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Yes, that team's success had nothing to do with becoming better as a unit after playing together for a longer period of time.
It was ALL PHIL, period.
I don't think it would have happened with Del Harris, honestly. Phil's "niche" is that he manages and melds personalities. A perfect example was the way he was able to make the "Worm" a productive team player or melded Scottie as a compliment to Jordan, things which other coaches failed at (e.g. Kurt Rambis being unable to manage Rodman as a Laker and Scottie's post-Phil malcontent history as a Trailblazer and Rocket).
Now obviously the talent was there, but the Shaq and Kobe personalities were so incompatible (and eventually, even under Phil they ultimately self-destructed) that it took Phil's psychological strategies to keep challenging an underachieving Shaq and beat down Kobe's ego. Give at least some credit where credt is due.
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I don't think it would have happened with Del Harris, honestly. Phil's "niche" is that he manages and melds personalities. A perfect example was the way he was able to make the "Worm" a productive team player or melded Scottie as a compliment to Jordan, things which other coaches failed at (e.g. Kirk Rambis being unable to manage Rodman as a Laker) and Scottie's post-Phil malcontent history as a Trailblazer and Rocket).
Now obviously the talent was there, but the Shaq and Kobe personalities were so incompatible (and eventually, even under Phil they ultimately self-destructed) that it took Phil's psychological strategies to keep challenging and underachieving Shaq and beat down Kobe's ego. Give at least some credit where credt is due.
I agree.
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good game by the lakers
up 3-2 :)
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They did good. Kobe was clearly slowed but still played a great game. Looks like this one goes seven.
LeBrick found his shot in Boston.
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They did good. Kobe was clearly slowed but still played a great game. Looks like this one goes seven.
LeBrick found his shot in Boston.
LeBrick is a one man wrecking crew, i can see the cavs taking this out
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LeBrick is a one man wrecking crew, i can see the cavs taking this out
Certainly possible Quick. He's the toughest man in the NBA to stop when he's in the open court.
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Assuming a Game 6 win at home, there's no way Cleveland goes into Boston and wins a Game 7.
The Lakers showed resilience last night and got a few key offensive rebounds, but overall, they're still getting killed on the glass. And it's not just Boozer out-banging and out-hustling the Lakers...Okur and some of their role players are also beating the Lakers.
I'm obviously hoping for an L.A.-Boston finals, but both will face even more serious tests before they can get there.
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LeBrick is a one man wrecking crew, i can see the cavs taking this out
Yea, but they cavs still lost.
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Boston will not get pass the Pistons if they beat the Cavaliers.Just ain't happening.
For one, they'll be gassed from playing back to back seven game series(yes, Cleveland is winning game 6)
And they just don't have the playoff experience and team chemistry the Pistons have.
I'm not trying to be a Celtics hater. I would love to see Garnett get a ring. He deserves it.
But the Pistons are going to the Finals.
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How about the Pistons getting to the Eastern Conference Finals for the sixth year in a row? Props to Joe Dumars.
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Boston will not get pass the Pistons if they beat the Cavaliers.Just ain't happening.
For one, they'll be gassed from playing back to back seven game series(yes, Cleveland is winning game 6)
And they just don't have the playoff experience and team chemistry the Pistons have.
I'm not trying to be a Celtics hater. I would love to see Garnett get a ring. He deserves it.
But the Pistons are going to the Finals.
I could definetly see another Pistons championship this year, they are looking pretty good and their style of play matches up well with Boston or the Lakers, they will ruff those teams up. I think Utah, Cleveland, or Hornets would have a better chance of beating them, but since sadly it looks like my jazz are done and cleveland is on its way out it not going to happen.
As far as San Antonio, we all know they can only win in odd numbered years. ;)
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I could definetly see another Pistons championship this year, they are looking pretty good and their style of play matches up well with Boston or the Lakers, they will ruff those teams up.
I don't know about that. K-Mart and the Nugs tried "Thug Ball" with Lakers, it resulted in a sweep. Kobe is one tough SOB, impossible to intimidate.
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I don't know about that. K-Mart and the Nugs tried "Thug Ball" with Lakers, it resulted in a sweep. Kobe is one tough SOB, impossible to intimidate.
Im no talking about thug ball, Detroit definetly does not play that style, Im talking about a hard physical game. You notice the two games that Utah won was when they were dominant on the inside and pushing odom and gasol around. Almost everyone on the Pistons team will be able to post up their man and take them down low.
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detroit will beat boston. then they will play an epic finals but lose to whoever comes out of the west. if spurs can get past new orleans i think they can win it again.
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boston down 13 @ 7:44 in the 3rd
terrible
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lebron is killin em and his shot is off..hahahahaha Go Cavs..
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lol after I wrote that the celtics went on a 13-0 run
3 point game
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lol after I wrote that the celtics went on a 13-0 run
3 point game
oh man
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they're up by 7 now 6:50 4th
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lebron did it again
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Is it just me or are the Jazz fans this year a little pathetic? They're down by 19 and they're screaming in unison at the refs. This is the same crowd that booed Fish upon his return. Since when did the straightlaced Utah sportsgoer turn into "Phily Fan"?
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Is it just me or are the Jazz fans this year a little pathetic? They're down by 19 and they're screaming in unison at the refs. This is the same crowd that booed Fish upon his return. Since when did the straightlaced Utah sportsgoer turn into "Phily Fan"?
Mormon motherfuckers..(no offence to getbiggers that are mormons)
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Mormon motherfuckers..(no offence to getbiggers that are mormons)
Those belligerant Mormons. No there is an oxymornon (or is that oxymormon) LOL
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first 3 quarters were beautiful, now they can get some rest
good game for the Lakers :)
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first 3 quarters were beautiful, now they can get some rest
good game for the Lakers :)
Yep, N/O is next (I think)
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Nice. :) I would rather play NO. The Spurs are a better team.
Glad Kobe can rest that back.
The Celts road woes are incredible. LeBrick did them in without his best shooter. I'm really starting to think Boston will not get past Detroit.
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If you think for one second the Celtics will get past Detroit, then you're dreaming in the first place.
Detroit has more playoff experience and the better team chemistry.
They need to get past the Cavs first. This is no gimme win for the Celtics at home. Lebron could go crazy in game 7 like he did against Detroit last year.
In any case, the Pistons will beat a tired Celtics team, coming off back to back seven game series, to win in six games.
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Is it just me or are the Jazz fans this year a little pathetic? They're down by 19 and they're screaming in unison at the refs. This is the same crowd that booed Fish upon his return. Since when did the straightlaced Utah sportsgoer turn into "Phily Fan"?
the fans in general have been extremely hostile this year for some reason, in all arenas.
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If you think for one second the Celtics will get past Detroit, then you're dreaming in the first place.
Detroit has more playoff experience and the better team chemistry.
Provided they get past the Cavs(not an automatic home win for the Celtics, by the way).
Pistons will beat a tired Celtics team, coming off back to back seven game series, to win in six games.
Dreaming? O Rly? Are you talking about the same Pistons team that lost to a one-man team in the Eastern Conference finals last year?
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Fuck, my Jazz need to get rid of Booze, he seems to always choke in the playoffs. Seriously how can a supposed all star play like shit 5 out of 6 games in a pivotal series?
As far as the rest of the playoffs go I think Detroit is taking it this year, their chemistry looks really good right now and they can definetly win on the road which Boston cant. All they have to do is steal one there and get home court and boston would be in serious trouble, that is if boston can even beat "a Lebron team" ;D
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I think whoever comes out of the West will win it.
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the fans in general have been extremely hostile this year for some reason, in all arenas.
Interesting....
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Dreaming? O Rly? Are you talking about the same Pistons team that lost to a one-man team in the Eastern Conference finals last year?
New year, new outcome. The Pistons are representing the East in the finals.
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New year, new outcome. The Pistons are representing the East in the finals.
Maybe, maybe not. I think they will beat the Celtics or Cavs, but it's hardly a foregone conclusion.
Meanwhile, Kobe Bryant continues to light up the NBA. His playoff numbers through 10 games:
33.3 points
6.8 assists
6.3 rebounds
1.1 steals
49.5% from the field
81% from the FT line
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Maybe, maybe not. I think they will beat the Celtics or Cavs, but it's hardly a foregone conclusion.
Meanwhile, Kobe Bryant continues to light up the NBA. His playoff numbers through 10 games:
33.3 points
6.8 assists
6.3 rebounds
1.1 steals
49.5% from the field
81% from the FT line
BB, there is a "New World Order" in the NBA, many are slow to wake up to it. The Greatest Player in the Planet now has the foot soldiers necessary to watch his back. The others, they are in such trouble, they are just now realizing. . . .
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BB, there is a "New World Order" in the NBA, many are slow to wake up to it. The Greatest Player in the Planet now has the foot soldiers necessary to watch his back. The others, they are in such trouble, they are just now realizing. . . .
So true. Since Shaq left I always maintained that all Kobe needed was another all star caliber player to compete for a championship. What people might forget is he had Smush Parker and Kwame Brown as his starting point and center the past two years. Even with that lineup, they took the Suns to seven games two years ago.
Because my expectations were so low coming into the season, I'll actually be okay if they didn't win the title this year. But next year with a starting lineup of Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Kobe, and Fish? With Ariza back from injury? They'll be the favorites the start the season.
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What idiot decided that Kwame Brown *ever* needed to be a Laker?
He was worse than that other scrub from a few years back...the one who shot the basket in his own goal...Samaki Walker.
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What idiot decided that Kwame Brown *ever* needed to be a Laker?
He was worse than that other scrub from a few years back...the one who shot the basket in his own goal...Samaki Walker.
Ahhhh Samaki . . . bringing back some fond memories. One time Kobe gave that guy a black eye on the team bus!!
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What idiot decided that Kwame Brown *ever* needed to be a Laker?
He was worse than that other scrub from a few years back...the one who shot the basket in his own goal...Samaki Walker.
Kwame's been an idiot since he was with Washington. Dude has a million dollar deal but eating in KFC and MCDonald's, and didn't really have a place to stay. Shows what happens when you have 18 yrs olds who turn pro with millions of dollars but the mind of a 14 yr old. And Jordan was behind that deal!!!
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Kwame's been an idiot since he was with Washington. Dude has a million dollar deal but eating in KFC and MCDonald's, and didn't really have a place to stay. Shows what happens when you have 18 yrs olds who turn pro with millions of dollars but the mind of a 14 yr old. And Jordan was behind that deal!!!
Yeah, MJ must have been on crack that day he drafted Kwame.
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What idiot decided that Kwame Brown *ever* needed to be a Laker?
He was worse than that other scrub from a few years back...the one who shot the basket in his own goal...Samaki Walker.
Kupchak, Phil, and MJ (who gave Kwame an endorsement to Phil). Worst hands in the NBA
Samaki was a lottery pick? Talk about misjudging talent.
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Kupchak, Phil, and MJ (who gave Kwame an endorsement to Phil). Worst hands in the NBA
Samaki was a lottery pick? Talk about misjudging talent.
Kupchak knew that one day he would exchange Kwame for Pao. LOL!!!
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Kupchak knew that one day he would exchange Kwame for Pao. LOL!!!
Brilliant. :)
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the ref should have called the flagrant on zydrunas.
this is the best game I've seen from the East
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I thought it was probably flagrant too. Could have gone either way.
Celtics barely escaped with this one. LeBrick was on, Big Ben controlled KG, but they couldn't guard Pierce. This is one of the differences between LeBron and Kobe. LeBron should have locked up Pierce.
Really not impressed with the Celtics so far in the playoffs.
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Dang.
Bynum to have arthroscopic surgery on injured left knee
Associated Press
Updated: May 18, 2008, 4:53 PM ET
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- More than four months after Andrew Bynum injured his left knee, it's been decided the Los Angeles Lakers center will undergo arthroscopic surgery.
The Lakers made the announcement Sunday, saying Dr. David Altchek will perform the procedure in New York on Wednesday -- the same day Bynum's team entertains San Antonio or New Orleans to begin the Western Conference finals.
An estimated timetable for Bynum's return will be provided following the surgery.
"I just hope for the best for him," teammate Luke Walton said following a light practice Sunday. "He was a huge part of our success early on and he's going to be a huge part of our future."
The Lakers said the procedure will entail a cleanup of some rough spots and fraying on the underside of Bynum's kneecap.
Bynum hasn't played since injuring his knee in the third quarter of a 100-99 victory over Memphis on Jan. 13 at Staples Center. The 20-year-old center averaged 13.1 points, 10.2 rebounds and 2.1 blocked shots in 35 games.
The Lakers estimated a day after Bynum was injured that he would be sidelined eight to 12 weeks. But coach Phil Jackson said April 21 that a return this season was remote, and Bynum said much the same thing shortly thereafter.
Dr. Altchek examined Bynum in New York on April 10 and declined to clear him for practice. The 7-footer was examined again May 7 in Princeton, N.J., by Dr. Steven Gecha, who said there had been some improvement in the knee, but recommended exploratory surgery if there wasn't more in the ensuing three to four weeks.
The decision was made a lot sooner than that.
"It's hard, I know that he is probably really frustrated right now," Lakers guard Sasha Vujacic said. "He's going through tough times. We miss him. Everybody knows he's going to have a good, long career in the NBA. He'll come back when he's ready."
Despite Bynum's absence, the Lakers went 57-25 to earn the top seed in the West, and 8-2 to eliminate Denver and Utah from the playoffs to reach the conference finals for the first time since 2004.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3402124
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is this what greg oden had?
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is this what greg oden had?
Noooo. Oden had career-threatening microfracture surgery. Bynum is just getting scoped.
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watch Oden flop this year..i hope he doesnt but i know he will be pathetic
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I thought it was probably flagrant too. Could have gone either way.
Celtics barely escaped with this one. LeBrick was on, Big Ben controlled KG, but they couldn't guard Pierce. This is one of the differences between LeBron and Kobe. LeBron should have locked up Pierce.
Really not impressed with the Celtics so far in the playoffs.
I think the Celtics - (aside from a few games) played great at home. I know what you are saying though, they have not played up to their ability consistently in the playoffs. That said, I wonder how much of that had to do with playing at such a high level all year long? Think about it, how can they turn it up a notch from a 66 win season?
I think the Celtics will elevate their game vs Detroit. I'm telling you beach, it will be a Celtics - Laker's final this year.
Everyone keeps telling me why the Celtics are going to lose, and they just keep hanging around. They are do to have a great series, and I think they take it to the next level and beat Detriot.
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I think the Celtics - (aside from a few games) played great at home. I know what you are saying though, they have not played up to their ability consistently in the playoffs. That said, I wonder how much of that had to do with playing at such a high level all year long? Think about it, how can they turn it up a notch from a 66 win season?
I think the Celtics will elevate their game vs Detroit. I'm telling you beach, it will be a Celtics - Laker's final this year.
Everyone keeps telling me why the Celtics are going to lose, and they just keep hanging around. They are do to have a great series, and I think they take it to the next level and beat Detriot.
Query: Will there be a toll of two seven game series in a row on a team built around veteran players? If the Detroit series is as physical as aqppears likely, will there be anything left to give in the Finals?
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I think the Celtics - (aside from a few games) played great at home. I know what you are saying though, they have not played up to their ability consistently in the playoffs. That said, I wonder how much of that had to do with playing at such a high level all year long? Think about it, how can they turn it up a notch from a 66 win season?
I think the Celtics will elevate their game vs Detroit. I'm telling you beach, it will be a Celtics - Laker's final this year.
Everyone keeps telling me why the Celtics are going to lose, and they just keep hanging around. They are do to have a great series, and I think they take it to the next level and beat Detriot.
I hear you. The Lakers and Pistons in recent years have had that "flip the switch" mentality, sleeping through some games, and turning it on when it counts. The Celtics don't really have that track record.
The good thing for them is they don't have to win on the road at all to win a championship.
I'll be stoked if it's Lakers/Celtics. Some of my fondest memories are those battles from the 1980s.
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I love Garnett. I really do and if anybody in the NBA deserves a ring, it's Garnett. I love players that play with emotion and bring it every night.
But my pick is the Pistons to win it in 6 games. Not hating, just calling it like I see it.
The Pistons' experience and team chemistry will be the difference in the playoffs. Forget what happended during the regular season between the two teams. Doesn't matter and doesnt count. It's the playoffs now. The Pistons got their scare against the 76ers and it was a major wake up call. They have stepped up their game ever since. The Celtics have not been able to close out a series with their opponent on the ropes, instead allowing the both of their series to go seven games. Fatigue will be a factor also.
Can't wait until Garnett and 'Sheed square off against each other. Those two will constantly be in each other's grill!
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Query: Will there be a toll of two seven game series in a row on a team built around veteran players? If the Detroit series is as physical as aqppears likely, will there be anything left to give in the Finals?
I think the celtics bench is pretty fresh right now. A lot of really young guys there, and the fact that Rivers rested the big three at the end of the season might even things out.
The celtics are pretty healthy, while guys like Billups and Kobe are a bit banged up. Honesty, I think the piston are a great team, but it is still evident that there is a big time disconnect with flip at times.
I think there could be a toll, but I don't now how things are going to play out.
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I think the celtics bench is pretty fresh right now. A lot of really young guys there, and the fact that Rivers rested the big three at the end of the season might even things out.
The celtics are pretty healthy, while guys like Billups and Kobe are a bit banged up. Honesty, I think the piston are a great team, but it is still evident that there is a big time disconnect with flip at times.
I think there could be a toll, but I don't now how things are going to play out.
I can't wait, it's going to be an entertaining series.
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I can't wait, it's going to be an entertaining series.
I know the Pistons are a whole different animal. The Celtics better bring it, or they are done.
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I know the Pistons are a whole different animal. The Celtics better bring it, or they are done.
Interesting parallels East and West. In each conference you have the Recent Old Guard- Pistons and Spurs
versus the Former Old Guard- Lakers and Celtics.
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Man. I was rooting for the Hornets. I give the Spurs the edge over my Lakers. :-\
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Man. I was rooting for the Hornets. I give the Spurs the edge over my Lakers. :-\
kobe will ovecome the spurs, if they can contain Tony longoria and rebound they have it all won... ( i make it sound so easy)
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kobe will ovecome the spurs, if they can contain Tony longoria and rebound they have it all won... ( i make it sound so easy)
lol. If only it were that easy. :) Can Gasol guard Duncan? Boozer shoved him all over the place.
Kobe will have to work very hard. He'll have Bruce Sizzerhands Bowen guarding him and will have to guard Manu on D.
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lol. If only it were that easy. :) Can Gasol guard Duncan? Boozer shoved him all over the place.
Kobe will have to work very hard. He'll have Bruce Sizzerhands Bowen guarding him and will have to guard Manu on D.
as i said contain longoria and rebound, i scouted the spurs, do them 2 and you win
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(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/godlikesjuice/kobe-2.jpg)
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(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/godlikesjuice/kobe-2.jpg)
I don't know whats funnier, the fact Kobe looks like a refugee, or that he is surrounded by 13 year old's.
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hey you guys know that one team...what are they called, the spurs i think...you know the winningest team in pro sports over the last decade...the one that everyone still counts out every single year, every series..you think theres a chance-ever so slight-those guys might be making the finals and not the lakers? ::)
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Hey Dinglewood.....the Spurs may well indeed be heading to another ratings nosedive NBA Finals appearance.
And once again the universal question will be asked, "Who Cares?".
The Spurs have virtually no charisma, and show about as much excitement as a 110 year old man's libido.
Eva Longoria is a fucking whore, by the way.
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hey you guys know that one team...what are they called, the spurs i think...you know the winningest team in pro sports over the last decade...the one that everyone still counts out every single year, every series..you think theres a chance-ever so slight-those guys might be making the finals and not the lakers? ::)
I give them an edge over my Lakers.
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Eva Longoria is a fucking whore, by the way.
Im not just going to sit here and let you talk about Eva longoria like that, she is a personal friend of mine
(http://www.hissandpop.com/eva-longoria/photos/eva-longoria-015.jpg)
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I give them an edge over my Lakers.
They are a crafty bunch. Their top players had off games and yet they won comfortably on the road in a game 7 against a young stud team. They concern me greatly.
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Hey Dinglewood.....the Spurs may well indeed be heading to another ratings nosedive NBA Finals appearance.
And once again the universal question will be asked, "Who Cares?".
The Spurs have virtually no charisma, and show about as much excitement as a 110 year old man's libido.
Eva Longoria is a fucking whore, by the way.
the boston celtics, and especially detroit pistons, have FAR less flash and excitement than the spurs. cleveland, even with lebron has a far more ugly game. its clear that you dont watch basketball
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the spurs are a boring team to watch, plain and simple.
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the boston celtics, and especially detroit pistons, have FAR less flash and excitement than the spurs. cleveland, even with lebron has a far more ugly game. its clear that you dont watch basketball
I watch basketball, dude. A lot.
The Spurs are boring and nobody gives a shit about them. Deal with it.
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Im not just going to sit here and let you talk about Eva longoria like that, she is a personal friend of mine
(http://www.hissandpop.com/eva-longoria/photos/eva-longoria-015.jpg)
However, your personal friend badly needs war paint. See pic below.
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How can a hot piece of ass like her marry a french, snail eating homo like Tony Parker?
Fuck it, I'm a hater. At least I admit it....
besides, how old is she? mid 30's now??? He's 26?
No chance Parker doesn't leave her for a younger piece of ass soon. Probably tapping tons of road ass behind her back.
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They are a crafty bunch. Their top players had off games and yet they won comfortably on the road in a game 7 against a young stud team. They concern me greatly.
Me too mang. Our saving grace might be home court advantage.
And Kobe.
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However, your personal friend badly needs war paint. See pic below.
I'd still fuck her, that pic doesnt turn me off at all.
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Celtics/Pistons game 1 was a yawner.
I have a 3 p.m. meeting on Wednesday and the Lakers game 1 starts at 3. I am NOT happy. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I don't like the Spurs, but Parker and Manu really know how to ball.
I'm a Tim Duncan fan.
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seeing ronny turiaf smack his head is the funniest thing you can see in a b-ball game LOL
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Vujačić and Ginobili should be good to watch this series.
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beautiful game never underestimate the Lakers! :) came back from being down 20
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kobe will ovecome the spurs, if they can contain Tony longoria and rebound they have it all won... ( i make it sound so easy)
You were right Quick. They contained Tony Longoria and rebounded about even.
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You were right Quick. They contained Tony Longoria and rebounded about even.
If i know anything i know basketball, i scouted the spurs, i swear i should offer my services to a NBA team and take half the salary there offering there scouts.
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If i know anything i know basketball, i scouted the spurs, i swear i should offer my services to a NBA team and take half the salary there offering there scouts.
You know your stuff mang.
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I watch basketball, dude. A lot.
The Spurs are boring and nobody gives a shit about them. Deal with it.
boston, detroit, cleveland and most other nba teams are far more boring. the spurs have lots of haters right now cause they are the top dogs and they beat up on your favorite teams, plain and simple. if this same exact team was from you guys' towns you'd all be licking their balls.
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boston, detroit, cleveland and most other nba teams are far more boring. the spurs have lots of haters right now cause they are the top dogs and they beat up on your favorite teams, plain and simple. if this same exact team was from you guys' towns you'd all be licking their balls.
Some of the things Manu was doing yesterday seemed better suited for the NFL.
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Uh, oh Boston. We have a series on our hands! Body response please (and by the way, tomorrow you could be very well saying the same thing about the Lakers so no disrespect intended!)
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Yep. We got a series. Boston must win on the road.
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Yep. We got a series. Boston must win on the road.
The only comfort I get as a Lakers fan knowing they could very well lose tomorrow is that they won in Utah, the toughest place to play not only this year but (almost) ever (I think one other team had a better home rec ever). And the Lakers won there twice, so they should be able to win in SA if needed. Maybe we need some more Derek Fisher magic to pull it off.
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The only comfort I get as a Lakers fan knowing they could very well lose tomorrow is that they won in Utah, the toughest place to play not only this year but (almost) ever (I think one other team had a better home rec ever). And the Lakers won there twice, so they should be able to win in SA if needed. Maybe we need some more Derek Fisher magic to pull it off.
Yep. Great win at Utah. Has to be the loudest arena in the NBA, along the Sacramento.
The Lakers have a shot. I still think the Spurs are favored, but Derrick ".04" Fisher could help. :)
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Uh, oh Boston. We have a series on our hands! Body response please (and by the way, tomorrow you could be very well saying the same thing about the Lakers so no disrespect intended!)
I thought that this would be the series that the Celtics lost one at home. I believe they will win one in Detriot as well. This thing was going to seven games the second it was determined.
I'm not even going to get started on some of Doc's substitutions tonight.
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I'm glad to see the Lakers and Celtics being challenged, but I did not expect Boston to lose this one. Even though Detroit was in control most of the game, the Celtics blew it in the final 2 minutes.
The Lakers had no business allowing themselves to get into a 20-point hole and better not let it happen again. I don't understand why so many people are sleeping on the Spurs. Along with their big 3, they've got a bunch of guys who rebound (Umberto), play great defense (Bowen), and can nail the open jumper consistently (Bowen, Finley).
I'm a Laker fan (again), but I'm not 100% convinced that our squad is the best in the West. We need to take care of business Friday and then focus on getting 1 in San Antonio.
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I'm glad to see the Lakers and Celtics being challenged, but I did not expect Boston to lose this one. Even though Detroit was in control most of the game, the Celtics blew it in the final 2 minutes.
The Lakers had no business allowing themselves to get into a 20-point hole and better not let it happen again. I don't understand why so many people are sleeping on the Spurs. Along with their big 3, they've got a bunch of guys who rebound (Umberto), play great defense (Bowen), and can nail the open jumper consistently (Bowen, Finley).
I'm a Laker fan (again), but I'm not 100% convinced that our squad is the best in the West. We need to take care of business Friday and then focus on getting 1 in San Antonio.
The playoffs are fun again.
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good time to be a laker fun, they can beat the spurs no problem, parker can be stopped, duncan can be contained and kobe cant be stopped for 4 quarters, maybe for 1 or 2 quarters but he can score 20 in one quarter at will.
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I don't know if 30 and 18 is containing but I agree Kobe can't be stopped.
I thought Kobe played flawlessly in game 1 making sure his team was involved. Back in the day the Spurs would give him 40 points and let him take the energy away from his teammates.
Not anymore. He is really making his teammates better which is the main reason he won the MVP. We always knew he could ball as good as anybody.
If Manu shows up, my Spurs might be able to steal one in LA. If not, this will be a short series :'(
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I don't know if 30 and 18 is containing but I agree Kobe can't be stopped.
I thought Kobe played flawlessly in game 1 making sure his team was involved. Back in the day the Spurs would give him 40 points and let him take the energy away from his teammates.
Not anymore. He is really making his teammates better which is the main reason he won the MVP. We always knew he could ball as good as anybody.
If Manu shows up, my Spurs might be able to steal one in LA. If not, this will be a short series :'(
It also helps that his starting center is now Pau Gasol instead of Kwame Brown and his starting point is Fish instead Smush Parker.
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It also helps that his starting center is now Pau Gasol instead of Kwame Brown and his starting point is Fish instead Smush Parker.
True dat!
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beautiful game!
By 30 points !
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I won't forget the fact that the Spurs were dominated by NO and were down 0-2 and won the series. NEVERTHELESS, the Lakers are a much more playoff-savy bunch than NO, with players and a coach who have multiple rings. Kobe will die before he lets this opportunity go. CONCLUSION: As much as I respect the Spurs, they are an aging champ on the ropes about to be knocked out by a younger, bigger, stornger challenger.
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im telling you all, phil jackson has worked the spurs out..
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It's a long series guys. But I like what I see so far.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0523/nba_a_duncan_412.jpg)
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It's a long series guys. But I like what I see so far.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0523/nba_a_duncan_412.jpg)
seeing a guy of Duncans size sitting like that on the ground sitting like a kid is a little wierd....
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seeing a guy of Duncans size sitting like that on the ground sitting like a kid is a little wierd....
NBA players are the biggest cry babies in sports.
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I liked what I saw last night. Kobe did what he wanted, the role players hit their open shots, and the Lakers didn't have to rely on Gasol at all.
And in the spirit of giving props where due, Odom was an absolute BEAST last night...one of the best games he's ever played.
When you hustle, good things happen.
I've always been a Farmar fan (watched him in college and knew he could ball), but wasn't sold on Sasha until this playoff season. He hustles, plays a smart game, and can shoot.
We aren't stacked in the middle, but if all the guys can stay healthy, I expect this team to be at the championship level for the next several years.
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good first half for the celtics
shit, the east is boring to watch.
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Great road win by the Celtics. Avoided becoming the first team in NBA history to open the playoffs with 7 straight road losses.
I do not see either one of these teams beating the Spurs or Lakers in the finals.
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As much as the little kid in me wants to see a Lakers-Celtics series, I also want some revenge on those dastardly Pistons.
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I'd like revenge too, particularly since it's pretty much the same team.
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Ahhhhhhh! >:(
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Freakin Manu. Five threes in the first half.
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they can't get the shots to go in right now
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Well . . . that was a beat down. :-\
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they couldn't get a rhythm
kobe made some nice 3's
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I doubt Manu comes out and drains all those threes in game 4, but the Spurs are a great team.
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they couldn't get a rhythm
kobe made some nice 3's
Between Kobe and Manu, those were probably the best 3 point shots I've seen all year.
Just nailing them with hands in their faces and off balance. Pretty to watch.
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Gasol didn't do shit last night. With all the guys missing open shots and blowing lay-ups, Kobe was rendered useless last night.
I was ready to clear the bench with about 7-8 minutes to play, but then they got it down to 14. But trading 3 for 3 just wasn't going to get it done.
The Lakers cannot afford another off night like that if they want to win this series.
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Ahhhhhhh! >:(
Ditto
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fuck, one loss and you guys are acting like bitches, it was a off night, the lakers will come back in game 4
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NBA players are the biggest cry babies in sports.
no. they have absolutely nothing on soccer players.
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fuck, one loss and you guys are acting like bitches, it was a off night, the lakers will come back in game 4
lol. I think it was the way they lost. Manu hitting pretty much everything he threw up. No one on the Lakers being able to hit a shot other than Kobe.
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no. they have absolutely nothing on soccer players.
I'll take your word for it. I don't watch soccer. I just know that no player in the NBA ever commits a foul. The refs are always wrong. They cry like little girls every time the whistle blows.
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I'll take your word for it. I don't watch soccer. I just know that no player in the NBA ever commits a foul. The refs are always wrong. They cry like little girls every time the whistle blows.
euro players love that shit, Reggie miller made it a artform.
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a good game tonight
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no. they have absolutely nothing on soccer players.
He said 'in sports'. :)
I didn't like the way the Lakers lost either. The bench played poorly, but of more concern were the number of open looks blown by Odom and especially Gasol.
Yes, the Spurs hit a couple of buzzer-beaters following good defensive sequences by the Lakers, but even still, the Lakers missed all their shots and were piss-poor from the free-throw line. Go 13-for-17 instead of 8-for-17 and then you're at least in the conversation, but shooting that poorly from the line is no way to steal one on the road.
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These refs stink.
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nice turnover by Manu
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;D
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Sorry, Spurs - you don't get to cry about that final play when the officials have given you favorable calls all night.
Except for the last minute, great game by the Lakers. Let's close 'em out in 5 and get some much-needed rest.
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Sorry, Spurs - you don't get to cry about that final play when the officials have given you favorable calls all night.
Except for the last minute, great game by the Lakers. Let's close 'em out in 5 and get some much-needed rest.
The Laker fans seem to be whining about the calls and everything else. As usual ::)
Lakers won it in the first half. Great game by the roll players. Congrats to the Lake Show.
It sucks but we move on.
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Beach Bum, give me my props man, what did i tell you, i have more faith then laker fans
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Beach Bum, give me my props man, what did i tell you, i have more faith then laker fans
he thought the spurs could beat the lakers :-\
unbelievable.
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Beach Bum, give me my props man, what did i tell you, i have more faith then laker fans
Props to you Quick. You were right. I didn't think the Lakers would get one in SA. Great win. The Black Mamba will be ready in game 5. :)
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the spurs got jobbed
but they can still win.
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They're still in it. If any team can come back, it's the Spurs.
The refs sucked for both sides. Kobe took 29 shots and did not get to the free thrown line. Fish's shot hit the rim, but they failed to reset the 24 second clock with about 5 seconds to go.
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Kobe took 29 shots and did not get to the free thrown line. Fish's shot hit the rim, but they failed to reset the 24 second clock with about 5 seconds to go.
Exactly.
Given the way the officiating went the entire game, I don't want to hear jack about that final play. Was it a foul? Yes. Do Spurs fans have *any* room to complain? Hell fucking no.
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the spurs got jobbed
but they can still win.
Hardly. The blown Fisher call the play before. Kobe 29 shots and no free throws. The Spurs deserved to lose and to their credit, they all admitted it.
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interesting, lakers could have had a blowout yesterday night. celtics could have had a blowout tonight. Reffing is questionable in these games.
what was the lines for the last two games?
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The reason Kobe isn't getting to the line is because the Spurs are giving him open jump shots and he is taking them like he should.
The Spurs are going out of their way to not send him to the line. This has been stated by everybody including Kobe and the Spurs.
Why are you guys not hip to this info?
Stop complaining about calls already. That's the cowards way out. Everybody gets screwed multiple times in every game by crappy calls.
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what was the lines for the last two games?
Celtics opened at -5.5 and it moved to -6 by gametime.
I think the Spurs were 4-point favorites on Tuesday.
The Lakers are favored by 8 tonite.
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/\/\/\ hmm makes you think
two good articles from LA Times
NBA office makes bad call on that Lakers-Spurs non-call
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-spw-heiscol30-2008may30,0,3224036,full.story (http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-spw-heiscol30-2008may30,0,3224036,full.story)
Jackson wants NBA to rewind further into Game 4
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers30-2008may30,0,7310288.story (http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers30-2008may30,0,7310288.story)
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ahhh shitty shot selection by the lakers so far
Spurs are playing great.
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you can tell doug collins loves the spurs and loathes the lakers
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much better second quarter
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(http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/images/2006/nail-biter.jpg)
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that contortionist had a nice body :D
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The Black Mamba baby! ;D
(http://www.kostich.com/black_mamba.jpg)
I'll still give the Spurs props. Great team.
And Quick you da man.
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The Black Mamba baby! ;D
(http://www.kostich.com/black_mamba.jpg)
I'll still give the Spurs props. Great team.
And Quick you da man.
agreed the spurs are always going to be good and will be so for a very long time. they are well coached.
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it's great to see a player like kobe in the league.
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/\/\/\ hmm makes you think
Line moved to 8 for tonite, so I took the Spurs...and then cringed as Sasha hit a completely unnecessary 3 at the buzzer.
This was the kind of game the Lakers needed to win.
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The Black Mamba baby! ;D
I'll still give the Spurs props. Great team.
And Quick you da man.
Dont like to brag but...Im a scouting genius.
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Hats off to the Lakers! They closed out the series in true fashion.
Kobe is an assassin in basketball shorts.
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agreed the spurs are always going to be good and will be so for a very long time. they are well coached.
Pop is a good coach for sure, but unless they get an infusion of young talent suddenly, it is going to be difficult for them to stay on top. Duncan is looking at the downside of his career for a big man and there are aging, rusting parts all over. That Hornets 7 game series was too much for an older veteran team to endure and then face even a bigger challenge.
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thank you guys for giving the spurs some props. yes it appears they FINALLY ran out of gas. its ok though, our core is intact. we need to only upgrade a few periphery parts and we will be back on top.
and there is NO ONE better at finding great talent out of seemingly nowhere than the spurs front office.
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thank you guys for giving the spurs some props. yes it appears they FINALLY ran out of gas. its ok though, our core is intact. we need to only upgrade a few periphery parts and we will be back on top.
and there is NO ONE better at finding great talent out of seemingly nowhere than the spurs front office.
The Spurs' front office revolutionized talent scouting and particularly the value of overseas talent. They were consistently able to get superior value despite a lower position in the draft.
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you think detroit wins tonight?
I want the East to go to 7 games.
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Congrats to the Lakers.
They played like they are Champions and I am truly impressed.
I'll be pulling for them to win the whole thing. Let's keep the trophy in the West!
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I have a lot of confidence in this Laker team. Should be a great finals.
Simmons: Like it or not, Lake Show can't be stopped
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080530 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080530)
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The Spurs' front office revolutionized talent scouting and particularly the value of overseas talent. They were consistently able to get superior value despite a lower position in the draft.
Yep. Manu and Parker were great pickups.
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Was not impressed with either Detroit or Boston. Rasheed Wallace is just dumb. One technical away from a suspension and couldn't keep his mouth shut. The refs went above and beyond by not giving him a T on multiple occasions.
Really looking forward to the Finals. Kobe will abuse Ray Allen. Odom will have his hands full with Pierce. Radmanovich will have trouble with KG. Fish will finally get a break after chasing Iverson, Williams, and Parker.
Get ready for the "Beat LA!" chants in Boston. :)
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Looks like the Celtic conspiracy paid dividends for the Celtics and Lakers. Former Celtics McHale (T-Wolves), Ainge (Celtics), and Bird (Pacers) wouldn't allow the KG for Odom/Bynum trade and instead sent KG to Boston for pretty much nothing. Bird then tries to unload J. O'Neal on the Lakers, who wouldn't bite. T-Wolves wind up in the lottery. Celtics went from the lottery to the NBA Finals. Bynum blossomed and Lakers wind up in the Finals. Very happy the Lakers didn't do that trade.
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I'm surprised more attention isn't being given to the Celtics.
Pretty amazing story right there. I know getting Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett helped, but it's still a great story. I hope they whip the Lakers! And I hope they're able to keep their team together because an East v West rivalry is just what the NBA needs. Not the fucking boring Spurs that no one gives a shit about going to the Finals every year. ::)
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Really looking forward to the Finals. Kobe will abuse Ray Allen. Odom will have his hands full with Pierce. Radmanovich will have trouble with KG. Fish will finally get a break after chasing Iverson, Williams, and Parker.
Rondo is no slouch. His defense is pretty damn good and he is always moving. I doubt Fish will think he is getting a break.
Wouldn't Gasol pick up KG? KG will have a monster series unless he recedes back to the old KG of folding under pressure.
The Celts have pretty good role players also.
I pick the Lakers in a tough 6 though :)
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Not the fucking boring Spurs that no one gives a shit about going to the Finals every year. ::)
Matrix and I give a shit about one of the best organizations in sports so you can shove it up your ass :-*
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Rondo is no slouch. His defense is pretty damn good and he is always moving. I doubt Fish will think he is getting a break.
Wouldn't Gasol pick up KG? KG will have a monster series unless he recedes back to the old KG of folding under pressure.
The Celts have pretty good role players also.
I pick the Lakers in a tough 6 though :)
I have looked at this series a dozen different ways and I can see the arguments pro and con. But every time, I complete the analysis with one four letter word that trumps every other consideration that tilts the scales in the Lakers direction: "Kobe"
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Rondo is no slouch. His defense is pretty damn good and he is always moving. I doubt Fish will think he is getting a break.
Wouldn't Gasol pick up KG? KG will have a monster series unless he recedes back to the old KG of folding under pressure.
The Celts have pretty good role players also.
I pick the Lakers in a tough 6 though :)
Rondo is okay, but he's not Iverson, Williams, or Parker. Not even close.
I'd like to see Gasol on KG, but that would leave Radmanovich on Perkins. I guess that could happen, but I'm not sure Rad can handle the low post.
I guess they could put Rad on Pierce and Odom on KG.
The Lakers have better role players and a better bench IMO.
I can see the Lakers in 5 or 6. Part of me wants them to win it in Boston.
But they still have to lace them up and play. Anything can happen.
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Ah memories. :)
Top 10 Moments in Celtics-Lakers Postseason History
ESPN
Updated: June 1, 2008, 9:07 AM ET
With 10 NBA Finals series under their belts the Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers have had plenty of moments that have gone down in history. Below is a list compiled by ESPN research of the top 10 moments in Finals history between the Celtics and the Lakers.
Magic Johnson clutches his third Finals MVP award in 1987.
1) 1987 NBA Finals - Game 4 (June 9, 1987)
Trailing by one point, the Los Angeles Lakers put the ball and the game in the hands of Magic Johnson. Like he had so many times before, he delivered the game-winning blow, a running hook shot in the lane.
The 107-106 victory over the Celtics gave them a 3-1 edge in the series that they would eventually go on to win in six games. Magic's performance led him to winning his third NBA Finals MVP.
2) 1962 NBA Finals - Game 7 (April 18, 1962)
Frank Selvy had a chance to end the game for the Lakers in regulation, but his miss forced the game into overtime where the Celtics, behind Bill Russell's 30 points and 40 rebounds, would go on to win 110-107 and win Boston's fifth NBA title.
3) 1962 NBA Finals - Game 5 (April 14, 1962)
Elgin Baylor scored a Finals-record 61 points for the Los Angeles Lakers who were making their first title-game appearance. Baylor also added 22 rebounds in leading the Lakers to a 126-121 victory and a 3-2 series lead. However, Boston would go on to win the final two games and win the title.
Russell and Wilt had their battles but Russell's 11 rings do the final talking.
4) 1969 NBA Finals - Game 7 (May 5, 1969)
In what turned out to be Bill Russell's final game the Celtics saw a 17-point fourth-quarter lead almost disappear. Up only one point Don Nelson put up a shot the bounded off the back of the rim and dropped into the net to keep the Celtics up for good.
Boston would go on to win the game 108-106 and send Russell off with his unprecedented 11th title.
5) 1984 NBA Finals - Game 2 (May 31, 1984)
Trailing 1-0 after dropping Game 1 at home, the Celtics found themselves trailing Game 2 by two points with only 18 seconds left.
In jeopardy of losing the first two games of the series at home Gerald Henderson intercepted a James Worthy pass and scored a game-tying layup. The Celtics would win the game in overtime 124-121 and the series in seven games.
6) 1962 NBA Finals - Game 3 (April 10, 1962)
The logo made his presence felt in a tight Game 3 matchup. In a game tied at 115, Jerry West stole an inbounds pass intended for Bob Cousy with four seconds left in regulation and beat the clock for a game-winning layup.
Kareem led the Lakers in 1985 over the Celtics for the first time in Finals history.
7) 1985 NBA Finals - Game 6 (June 9, 1985)
After receiving most of the blame for the Lakers' 148-114 loss in Game 1, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar went on to carry the Lakers the rest of the series. His 29-point performance in the series-clinching 111-100 win at Boston in Game 6 helped him become the oldest Finals MVP in NBA history and give the Lakers their first Finals series win over Boston after eight previous failed attempts.
8) 1984 NBA Finals - Game 4 (June 6, 1984)
This game will always be remembered as the game in which Kevin McHale sent a message to the Lakers by clotheslining Kurt Rambis to the ground on a breakaway layup. The message seemed to have worked as the Lakers would go on to make several key mistakes in blowing a five-point lead with less than a minute to go.
The Celtics would go on to win the game 129-125 in overtime thanks to a Larry Bird game-wining shot over Magic Johnson.
9) 1969 NBA Finals - Game 4 (April 29, 1969)
This game's importance was signified by the real-life version of the Hoosiers "picket fence" play. Sam Jones hit the game-winning shot to give the Celtics an 89-88 victory. The win tied the series at two against the heavily favored Lakers and set up one of the greatest upsets in Finals history.
10) 1985 NBA Finals - Game 4 (June 5, 1985)
Dennis Johnson's 20-foot jumper with one second left gave the Celtics a two-point victory over the Lakers in the Forum. The 107-105 victory tied the series 2-2. However, it would be Boston's final celebration as they dropped the next two to lose the series in six games.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/news/story?page=top10-bosvslal
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Rondo is okay, but he's not Iverson, Williams, or Parker. Not even close.
I'd like to see Gasol on KG, but that would leave Radmanovich on Perkins. I guess that could happen, but I'm not sure Rad can handle the low post.
I guess they could put Rad on Pierce and Odom on KG.
The Lakers have better role players and a better bench IMO.
I can see the Lakers in 5 or 6. Part of me wants them to win it in Boston.
But they still have to lace them up and play. Anything can happen.
The Celtics beat the lakers twice in the regular season, and had a higher winning percentage vs the west. I know Gasol was not playing when the celts beat them, but I think Gasol has been overrated in the playoffs. IMO, Gasol is soft, and the spurs showed that. Gasol will have trouble with Garnett and especially Perk. Rondo outplayed Billups a lot of the time, and Billups is about 50 times faster than Fischer. Last time they met Rondo dished out ten assits against Fischer, and only had one turnover. Rondo is a better player now, and he has the stamina and speed to tire Fischer out. Research shows me the Lakers did poor against teams who actually know how to defend the three point line all year, and the celts are more physical. Everyone told me how great the pistons bench and role players are, and the Celtics beat them in 6. The playoffs are a different animal, but I think the Celtics are hungry. Everyone has been telling me why the Celtics are going to lose since the Atlanta series, and I ain't going to start believing it now!
Celtics in 7.
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The Celtics beat the lakers twice in the regular season, and had a higher winning percentage vs the west. I know Gasol was not playing when the celts beat them, but I think Gasol has been overrated in the playoffs. IMO, Gasol is soft, and the spurs showed that. Gasol will have trouble with Garnett and especially Perk. Rondo outplayed Billups a lot of the time, and Billups is about 50 times faster than Fischer. Last time they met Rondo dished out ten assits against Fischer, and only had one turnover. Rondo is a better player now, and he has the stamina and speed to tire Fischer out. Research shows me the Lakers did poor against teams who actually know how to defend the three point line all year, and the celts are more physical. Everyone told me how great the pistons bench and role players are, and the Celtics beat them in 6. The playoffs are a different animal, but I think the Celtics are hungry. Everyone has been telling me why the Celtics are going to lose since the Atlanta series, and I ain't going to start believing it now!
Celtics in 7.
Let me address a few of your points.
(1) The Playoffs are a Different Animal: Exactly, that's right, throw out the regular season record versus the west and against the Lakers, why even mention them? Now let's look at the playoffs, 20 games to get through the east and the Hawks and Cavs taking the Celts to seven? It's just not impressive at all. The team with the best record in the playoffs against superior competition? the Lakers. Edge: L.A.
(2) Hunger: There is no player in the NBA hungrier than Kobe. Hands down. Plus, Phil has a chance to put his stamp on history and I expect to see far more inspired coaching than against Detroit several years ago. Edge: L.A.
(3) Gasol and "Softness" : Tim Duncan, the best big man in the game, makes many centers look "soft." Expect Gasol to take a much less skilled player like "Perk" to school. I haven't seen a single analyst give the Celts an edge at this position and I, for one, wholeheartedly agree. Edge: L.A.
(4) Fisher versus Rondo: Fish is not asked to be the speed demon. He is a superior floor general, setting the spacing, playing agressive, smart defense. Having faced Allen Iverson, Deron Williams and Tony Parker in successive rounds, trust me, Fish is not losing sleep over Rondo. Edge: Neutral.
As far as beating Detroit, nice opponent but they have been classic underachievers, especially under "Flip." Beating the defending world champs in 5 games is just a tad more impressive.
Prediction: Lakers in 5. Split in Boston, and 3-0 in LA.
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Let me address a few of your points.
(1) The Playoffs are a Different Animal: Exactly, that's right, throw out the regular season record versus the west and against the Lakers, why even mention them? Now let's look at the playoffs, 20 games to get through the east and the Hawks and Cavs taking the Celts to seven? It's just not impressive at all. The team with the best record in the playoffs against superior competition? the Lakers. Edge: L.A.
(2) Hunger: There is no player in the NBA hungrier than Kobe. Hands down. Plus, Phil has a chance to put his stamp on history and I expect to see far more inspired coaching than against Detroit several years ago. Edge: L.A.
(3) Gasol and "Softness" : Tim Duncan, the best big man in the game, makes many centers look "soft." Expect Gasol to take a much less skilled player like "Perk" to school. I haven't seen a single analyst give the Celts an edge at this position and I, for one, wholeheartedly agree. Edge: L.A.
(4) Fisher versus Rondo: Fish is not asked to be the speed demon. He is a superior floor general, setting the spacing, playing agressive, smart defense. Having faced Allen Iverson, Deron Williams and Tony Parker in successive rounds, trust me, Fish is not losing sleep over Rondo. Edge: Neutral.
As far as beating Detroit, nice opponent but they have been classic underachievers, especially under "Flip." Beating the defending world champs in 5 games is just a tad more impressive.
Prediction: Lakers in 5. Split in Boston, and 3-0 in LA.
Sounds good, well see if it works out the way you see it.
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Your right, the celtics are terrible, and they have NO shot.
I don't think I said either of those things. For the record, I don't think they're terrible and I think they have a decent shot. I'm just responding to some of the points you raised and giving my take on why the same criteria weighs in LA's favor. Just fun sports conversation here.
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I don't think I said either of those things. For the record, I don't think they're terrible and I think they have a decent shot. I'm just responding to some of the points you raised and giving my take on why the same criteria weighs in LA's favor. Just fun sports conversation here.
I agree, you qouted my post before I could edit it. After reading it, I changed my response. I said that everything you said sounds good, and we shall see how it goes. However, I think the Celtics will give the lakers all they can handle. You west coasters are quick to the trigger ;)
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Sounds good, well see if it works out the way you see it.
That's why this is the most intriguing finals matchup in many years. I picked them in 5 because if they have to go back to Boston, it could be trouble. (By the way, I hate this 2-3-2 format).
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The Celtics beat the lakers twice in the regular season, and had a higher winning percentage vs the west. I know Gasol was not playing when the celts beat them, but I think Gasol has been overrated in the playoffs. IMO, Gasol is soft, and the spurs showed that. Gasol will have trouble with Garnett and especially Perk. Rondo outplayed Billups a lot of the time, and Billups is about 50 times faster than Fischer. Last time they met Rondo dished out ten assits against Fischer, and only had one turnover. Rondo is a better player now, and he has the stamina and speed to tire Fischer out. Research shows me the Lakers did poor against teams who actually know how to defend the three point line all year, and the celts are more physical. Everyone told me how great the pistons bench and role players are, and the Celtics beat them in 6. The playoffs are a different animal, but I think the Celtics are hungry. Everyone has been telling me why the Celtics are going to lose since the Atlanta series, and I ain't going to start believing it now!
Celtics in 7.
I agree with MidniteRambo's response to this. Also, Billups was hurt for most of the series and was never a great defender, so it doesn't surprise me that Rondo outplayed him.
Neither one of those teams impressed me in the Detroit/Boston series.
I also like the fact the Lakers finished with the best record in the toughest conference in years and took out the defending champs in five games. Very impressive.
But all that stuff is out the window. Looking forward to a great series.
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But all that stuff is out the window.
That is true. When the Shaq and Kobe Lakers were about to go against Detroit in the Finals I was virtually certain Detroit would not beat them. It is truly impossible to predict how a series will play out.
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I'm surprised more attention isn't being given to the Celtics.
Pretty amazing story right there. I know getting Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett helped, but it's still a great story. I hope they whip the Lakers! And I hope they're able to keep their team together because an East v West rivalry is just what the NBA needs. Not the fucking boring Spurs that no one gives a shit about going to the Finals every year. ::)
the celtics team and game is FAR more boring than that of the spurs, 99% of the 'fans' the celtics have now are nothing but bandwagoning douchebags who dont even follow basketball and probably think 'teh bulls' are still the best team.
the only thing this boston team has in common with the famous 80's teams is the franchise name yet all these schmoes seem thinks this is all 'so great' cause the name 'celtics' reminds them of a team from over two decades ago ::)
maybe if they actually watched the games they would realise that current boston has perhaps the most grueling, slow, defensive-minded, lack of flash game of any team in the league which, ironically, is what people claim to hate the spurs for, these same schmoes now all over boston's nuts ::)
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the celtics team and game is FAR more boring than that of the spurs, 99% of the 'fans' the celtics have now are nothing but bandwagoning douchebags who dont even follow basketball and probably think 'teh bulls' are still the best team.
the only thing this boston team has in common with the famous 80's teams is the franchise name yet all these schmoes seem thinks this is all 'so great' cause the name 'celtics' reminds them of a team from over two decades ago ::)
maybe if they actually watched the games they would realise that current boston has perhaps the most grueling, slow, defensive-minded, lack of flash game of any team in the league which, ironically, is what people claim to hate the spurs for, these same schmoes now all over boston's nuts ::)
I live near the garden, and even when the Celtics where a BAD team, the garden still sold more tickets than a lot of the NBA teams in the market. Boston is 50x times the sports town San Antonio will ever be, and don't be upset because your Spurs will be watching the Celtics play for there 17th title. Don't vent your frustrations on how boring your team is on Celtics fans. Btw, the Spurs are in the twilight of their "Dynasty", and they all have one place to go - down. What happend to the Celtics of the 80's will happen to the spurs, and the only difference is your team won't have one tenth of the history, to back up the dive the spurs will take. Btw, who competes with the spurs in the Market? Insert 5 other major franchises - ( that all either have been in the playoffs, or winning titles, and you see what attendance is like if you are in the middle of a 20 year championship drought). Patriots -superbowl, Red Sox - worldseries, Bruins - Playoffs, Rev - Finals and finally the Celtics going for a title. People go to see their teams win, and when they spurs are not winning,no one will go. When the Celtics sucked, they still drew more people than a lot of other NBA teams who where much better.
You have never been to Boston, Never been to the garden, and have no idea what you are talking about in regards to current Celtics fans. ANy random Celtics fan can talk NBA history with the best of them, and what do you call spurs fans who jumped on the wagon when they started winning? I'm willing to bet 99 percent of Spurs fans wagons are less than 10 years old! At least the Celtics have history.
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I live near the garden, and even when the Celtics where a BAD team, the garden still sold more tickets than a lot of the NBA teams in the market. Boston is 50x times the sports town San Antonio will ever be, and don't be upset because your Spurs will be watching the Celtics play for there 17th title. Don't vent your frustrations on how boring your team is on Celtics fans. Btw, the Spurs are in the twilight of their "Dynasty", and they all have one place to go - down. What happend to the Celtics of the 80's will happen to the spurs, and the only difference is your team won't have one tenth of the history, to back up the dive the spurs will take. Btw, who competes with the spurs in the Market? Insert 5 other major franchises - ( that all either have been in the playoffs, or winning titles, and you see what attendance is like if you are in the middle of a 20 year championship drought). Patriots -superbowl, Red Sox - worldseries, Bruins - Playoffs, Rev - Finals and finally the Celtics going for a title. People go to see their teams win, and when they spurs are not winning,no one will go. When the Celtics sucked, they still drew more people than a lot of other NBA teams who where much better.
You have never been to Boston, Never been to the garden, and have no idea what you are talking about in regards to current Celtics fans. ANy random Celtics fan can talk NBA history with the best of them, and what do you call spurs fans who jumped on the wagon when they started winning? I'm willing to bet 99 percent of Spurs fans wagons are less than 10 years old! At least the Celtics have history.
yes ive been to boston ::) and i personally have no problem with the celtics at all. i respect a team with their style, as any true fan of basketball should.
the problem i have is, the IRONY of the situation in which many claim to hate the spurs and call them 'boring', when in fact the celtics style of basketball is EVEN MORE methodical, defensive-minded, and low scoring than the spurs. yet, because of the team's name and history, these same people are now leaping on the boston bandwagon(people from outside new england obviously is what im talking about) and singing the celtics' praises when in fact they share, and in fact even exceed, the same exact qualities which they rip the spurs for. its a double-standard that reveals who knows and appreciates basketball, and who is simply being told by the media whos 'cool' and whose not.
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That is true. When the Shaq and Kobe Lakers were about to go against Detroit in the Finals I was virtually certain Detroit would not beat them. It truly impossible to predict how a series will play out.
Yeah. I think it might have turned out differently if Malone didn't get hurt.
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yes ive been to boston ::) and i personally have no problem with the celtics at all. i respect a team with their style, as any true fan of basketball should.
the problem i have is, the IRONY of the situation in which many claim to hate the spurs and call them 'boring', when in fact the celtics style of basketball is EVEN MORE methodical, defensive-minded, and low scoring than the spurs. yet, because of the team's name and history, these same people are now leaping on the boston bandwagon(people from outside new england obviously is what im talking about) and singing the celtics' praises when in fact they share, and in fact even exceed, the same exact qualities which they rip the spurs for. its a double-standard that reveals who knows and appreciates basketball, and who is simply being told by the media whos 'cool' and whose not.
Thats fine, but your original post would obviously offend any Celtics fans who had any pride at all. People hate on the spurs for the same reason they hate on the pats, they win so much. Let that talk roll off your back, all that matters is the titles, and you have plenty off them. Everyone called the pats "boring" until they got those high octane recievers, but you know what, that boring team won.
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Btw, the Spurs are in the twilight of their "Dynasty", and they all have one place to go - down.
I don't agree with this at all. These "old guys" made it to the Western Finals and played against a very good Laker Team with a couple games that could have went either way that would've changed the whole complexion of the series. All that with no bench help and less than healthy Manu.
I think they still have a legitimate 3-4 years of Elite status and with one of the best front offices in the biz, there is no telling what they could end up with once TD retires.
TD adjusted his contract so they could build for the future beyond that. How many players, let alone Super Stars, do that for their organizations?
The guy is so under-appreciated by the league and fans that it is just a travesty.
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I don't agree with this at all. These "old guys" made it to the Western Finals and played against a very good Laker Team with a couple games that could have went either way that would've changed the whole complexion of the series. All that with no bench help and less than healthy Manu.
I think they still have a legitimate 3-4 years of Elite status and with one of the best front offices in the biz, there is no telling what they could end up with once TD retires.
TD adjusted his contract so they could build for the future beyond that. How many players, let alone Super Stars, do that for their organizations?
The guy is so under-appreciated by the league and fans that it is just a travesty.
I agree. The Spurs are not done at all. Their big three (TD, Manu, and Parker) are as good as any in the league.
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I agree. The Spurs are not done at all. Their big three (TD, Manu, and Parker) are as good as any in the league.
The engine is solid. But the fenders are filled with Bondo and tires are stripped. Without some re-tooling, you have a lower cede playoff team next year, nothing more. Now granted, that front office has proven ability to obtain talent. But "as is"? The contender days are done.
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I don't agree with this at all. These "old guys" made it to the Western Finals and played against a very good Laker Team with a couple games that could have went either way that would've changed the whole complexion of the series. All that with no bench help and less than healthy Manu.
I think they still have a legitimate 3-4 years of Elite status and with one of the best front offices in the biz, there is no telling what they could end up with once TD retires.
TD adjusted his contract so they could build for the future beyond that. How many players, let alone Super Stars, do that for their organizations?
The guy is so under-appreciated by the league and fans that it is just a travesty.
I'm not saying they wont be good, I'm saying that at they are only going to decline from the level they are at currently. Nothing lasts forever, just ask the Celtics.
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The Spurs need to ge their supporting cast younger as the big three get older.
Bruce Bowen, Horry, and Kurt Thomas are ancient now.
They have to get more athletic in order to keep pace with the younger up and coming teams in the West. If the Hornets would have played with any killer instinct on the road, then they should have beat the Spurs in five games in this year's playoffs.
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How about the recent announcement that the Pistons are going to fire Flip Saunders?
Three conference finals apprearances in a row?
I understand that front office is pissed about not reaching the finals but who do they think they can just plug in as head coach and take the Pistons to the next level??
Scratching my head on that one..... ???
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How about the recent announcement that the Pistons are going to fire Flip Saunders?
Three conference finals apprearances in a row?
I understand that front office is pissed about not reaching the finals but who do they think they can just plug in as head coach and take the Pistons to the next level??
Scratching my head on that one..... ???
With an intact championship-caliber roster, they should have more trophies. Conference finals appearances, no matter how many in a row, does not cut it when that team already proved it could do more.
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The engine is solid. But the fenders are filled with Bondo and tires are stripped. Without some re-tooling, you have a lower cede playoff team next year, nothing more. Now granted, that front office has proven ability to obtain talent. But "as is"? The contender days are done.
I agree they need some new blood, but they only need a few role players, which isn't hard to do. Most championship teams are built around a couple of stars. They have three.
Even "as is" they were one of the best teams in the West and played L.A. very tough. A few shots here and there and it could have been a different series.
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How about the recent announcement that the Pistons are going to fire Flip Saunders?
Three conference finals apprearances in a row?
I understand that front office is pissed about not reaching the finals but who do they think they can just plug in as head coach and take the Pistons to the next level??
Scratching my head on that one..... ???
Me too. Who are they going to hire? I don't agree with Detroit or Dallas getting rid of very successful coaches.
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finals should be starting tomorrow
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I agree they need some new blood, but they only need a few role players, which isn't hard to do. Most championship teams are built around a couple of stars. They have three.
Even "as is" they were one of the best teams in the West and played L.A. very tough. A few shots here and there and it could have been a different series.
Exactly. I believe all the top teams in West will all get better next year, including the Spurs, which is scary.
I think the West is going to be unbelievable in the next few years.
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finals should be starting tomorrow
Thursday.
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Exactly. I believe all the top teams in West will all get better next year, including the Spurs, which is scary.
I think the West is going to be unbelievable in the next few years.
Yep. Even the bottom teams will improve (Portland and Seattle).
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I see a LA victory, No doubt, the celtics lack anyone to contain Kobe, Posey?? well they could go to him, but then how would they utilise ray allen and his scoring punch? i dont think the celtics are better then the spurs, so L.A all the way.......
P.S at least tony parker has more time to fuk his wife.
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Kobe does not and cannot be stopped. This has been true the last 5 years.
Celtics just need to stop the rest. But the difference between this Laker team and the previous ones is that supporting cast is too good now and Kobe trusts them enough to carry the team for long stretches..
Spurs used to give Kobe whatever he wanted as far as singling him and would stop the rest, the same thing they do with Amare. That backfired this year.
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I always get flack for this, but Kobe is better then Jordan, jordan was ahead of his time, both are unstoppable, but im on Team Kobe.
and im not changing my thought on this, so please dont try convince me otherwise..
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I always get flack for this, but Kobe is better then Jordan, jordan was ahead of his time, both are unstoppable, but im on Team Kobe.
and im not changing my thought on this, so please dont try convince me otherwise..
Could you imagine what Jordan could do with the new defensive rules that are in place now?
No handchecking and whatnot. He would've been throwing up 50 a night!
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lakers in 6
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Could you imagine what Jordan could do with the new defensive rules that are in place now?
No handchecking and whatnot. He would've been throwing up 50 a night!
yeah, Jordan will be real potent now if he was in this era.. kobe could throw 50 a night to (if he wanted to)..Remember when Kobe had 10 or 11 straight games scoring 40 or over..
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yeah, Jordan will be real potent now if he was in this era.. kobe could throw 50 a night to (if he wanted to)..Remember when Kobe had 10 or 11 straight games scoring 40 or over..
Yes but Jordan could average that a year and still win Championships.
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Yes but Jordan could average that a year and still win Championships.
i wont fight you on that one..good point..im just hating on jordan never mind me.
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I always get flack for this, but Kobe is better then Jordan, jordan was ahead of his time, both are unstoppable, but im on Team Kobe.
and im not changing my thought on this, so please dont try convince me otherwise..
So there are two of us who believe this? :)
BTW, some interesting match up decisions:
"The plan is for Gasol to guard Celtics forward Kevin Garnett, but if the Lakers' center gets in early foul trouble, Odom will shift from Kendrick Perkins to Garnett, at which point Odom will be on the spot."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers5-2008jun05,0,7114877.story
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So there are two of us who believe this? :)
BTW, some interesting match up decisions:
"The plan is for Gasol to guard Celtics forward Kevin Garnett, but if the Lakers' center gets in early foul trouble, Odom will shift from Kendrick Perkins to Garnett, at which point Odom will be on the spot."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers5-2008jun05,0,7114877.story
i need to watch this game, but i got appointments damn
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i wont fight you on that one..good point..im just hating on jordan never mind me.
Why do you hate Jordan?
Argubly the greatest basketball player of all time. Not many would disagree.
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So there are two of us who believe this? :)
BTW, some interesting match up decisions:
"The plan is for Gasol to guard Celtics forward Kevin Garnett, but if the Lakers' center gets in early foul trouble, Odom will shift from Kendrick Perkins to Garnett, at which point Odom will be on the spot."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers5-2008jun05,0,7114877.story
Three of us.
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i know even questioning jordan's number 1 status is taboo in the basketball world but fact is, he and kobe bryant are pretty much interchangable as players. if anything, kobe is maybe even slightly more dangerous cause his range has no limits or weakness.
imo no perimeter player was or is close to the level these two are at.
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Why do you hate Jordan?
Argubly the greatest basketball player of all time. Not many would disagree.
im noty hating on jordan in the sense of hating, i just like kobe more, but hey Jordan has 6 rings, so i am possibly wrong..
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30 min to tip off
finally the finals begin :)
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good first game.
lakers missed their shots. they have to tighten up and they'll be back.
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good first game.
lakers missed their shots. they have to tighten up and they'll be back.
Excuses already? Shit, Paul went off with a sprained knee!
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Excuses already? Shit, Paul went off with a sprained knee!
No excuses here. Good game Celts. I didn't see anything which alters my prediction.
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Excuses already? Shit, Paul went off with a sprained knee!
what excuse? the Lakers couldn't hit their shots, throughout the game it was tight. They could have won that game. They got beat on rebounds and missing their shots. Boston made theirs.
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No excuses here. Good game Celts. I didn't see anything which alters my prediction.
I agree. Lakers did not shoot the ball well and were still in the game late in the fourth. This series doesn't really get interesting till we get to LA and we see how Boston plays on the road.
Odom and Gasol need to finish at the rim consistently.
Good win by the Celtics.
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Too early to tell either way.
It isn't a series until someone loses a home game anyways.
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Too early to tell either way.
It isn't a series until someone loses a home game anyways.
True, but let's give the Celts their due. A loss in game one at home would have been the beginning of the end. They accomplished their mission and Paul P. showed some guts. Bring on game 2!
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True, but let's give the Celts their due. A loss in game one at home would have been the beginning of the end. They accomplished their mission and Paul P. showed some guts. Bring on game 2!
Not downplaying what they did at all.
Just saying that is what they were supposed to do and they did it. If they win game 2 and then steal a game in LA, I will be very impressed.
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Not downplaying what they did at all.
Just saying that is what they were supposed to do and they did it. If they win game 2 and then steal a game in LA, I will be very impressed.
That's the hurdle either win the next or steal one at Staples....
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good win for the celts, its a long series.
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what excuse? the Lakers couldn't hit their shots, throughout the game it was tight. They could have won that game. They got beat on rebounds and missing their shots. Boston made theirs.
Garnett went 9 of 22 in the game, and missed nine consecutive shots in the second half. Boston missed plenty of shots. That said, if the truth can't play, the Celtics are screwed.
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No excuses here. Good game Celts. I didn't see anything which alters my prediction.
I said that because the big ticket went 9 - 22 in the game, and missed nine consecutive shots in the second half. I think the Celtics left planty of points on the table as well. I was just messing with you anyway ;)
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good win for the celts, its a long series.
I agree, I'm not tooting my horn at all. If Peirce is injured to the point where he can't play, the Celtics are in trouble.
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Could you imagine what Jordan could do with the new defensive rules that are in place now?
No handchecking and whatnot. He would've been throwing up 50 a night!
exactly!! people forget about the rule changes. same for Magic, a 6'9 point and no hand checking, he would be unstoppable.
Kenny Smith mentioned this a few weeks ago when Magic was in studio with regards to todays rules had Jordan had them. Magic said "it would be ugly".
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im noty hating on jordan in the sense of hating, i just like kobe more, but hey Jordan has 6 rings, so i am possibly wrong..
nothing wrong w/ that everyone has their opionions. and yes those 10-11 games of Kobe scoring 40+ was perhaps the most amazing acts in pro sports i have seen. I mean Kobe was still playing against pros. that is domiant.
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I was on the GOAT bandwagon for Kobe, but last night's game showed me something about Kobe's game. He seemed to push things and not allow the triangle to work. He took THREE bad shots in a row, and looked frustrated because he couldn't get to the rack. IDK if it was Boston's defense, or Kobe just getting frustrated, but Gasol and Odom NEED to get more involved. If Kobe chucks up 25-30 shots a game, Boston will have another World Championship.
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nothing wrong w/ that everyone has their opionions. and yes those 10-11 games of Kobe scoring 40+ was perhaps the most amazing acts in pro sports i have seen. I mean Kobe was still playing against pros. that is domiant.
hahhaha great me and a atheist can finally agree on some shit ahahah..The guys are more stronger and athletic now, but saying that jordan would of have adjusted to the also, not only does Kobe and Mike has talent, but they burn to win, like they really need it, unlike Shaq, vince carter, carmelo anthony..
In shaq's defense his been in the league 16 yrs (fuck im getting old) he lost his passion, his just playing out his $100M contract, and i support him so leave him alone hahaha
KG needs a ring more then kobe does, but kobe needs a ring to prove to himself atleast that he did it without Shaq, and its a valid point..for some reason when they show kobe stats and the rings he won, theres a * that says "with Shaquille O'neal"
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hahhaha great me and a atheist can finally agree on some shit ahahah..
KG needs a ring more then kobe does, but kobe needs a ring to prove to himself atleast that he did it without Shaq, and its a valid point..for some reason when they show kobe stats and the rings he won, theres a * that says "with Shaquille O'neal"
yeah no shit! bout time.
*currenty im reconsidering my Atheist pov.*
i think kobe wants/needs a ring more than kg for some reason. Kobe is going to be regarded as the top 6 or 7 all time players ever and he knows this and wants to move up on the list and he knows multiple rings after shaq will validate it, although personally i dont think its necessary.
kg on the other hand is a HOF'er but wont be listed in the top 8 for either centers or power forwards IMO.
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yeah no shit! bout time.
*currenty im reconsidering my Atheist pov.*
i think kobe wants/needs a ring more than kg for some reason. Kobe is going to be regarded as the top 6 or 7 all time players ever and he knows this and wants to move up on the list and he knows multiple rings after shaq will validate it, although personally i dont think its necessary.
kg on the other hand is a HOF'er but wont be listed in the top 8 for either centers or power forwards IMO.
KG in a winners sense is a loser, he need this ring, his not getting younger, all he needs is one, kobe just needs one without shaq
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nothing wrong w/ that everyone has their opionions. and yes those 10-11 games of Kobe scoring 40+ was perhaps the most amazing acts in pro sports i have seen. I mean Kobe was still playing against pros. that is domiant.
Didn't George Gervin average a triple double one year?
I think that would trump Kobe's scoring streak.
I wonder why Kareem doesn't get more love out of people? He might have dominated more on every level he played than every other player including Jordan. Lew Alcinder was unstoppable.
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Didn't George Gervin average a triple double one year?
I think that would trump Kobe's scoring streak.
I wonder why Kareem doesn't get more love out of people? He might have dominated more on every level he played than every other player including Jordan. Lew Alcinder was unstoppable.
true, he was fucken usless to market and he was a asshole, did he dodge the draft?? or am i confusing him with ali?
who cant make people love you, he just didnt have that about him, Ewing was the same.
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true, he was fucken usless to market and he was a asshole, did he dodge the draft?? or am i confusing him with ali?
who cant make people love you, he just didnt have that about him, Ewing was the same.
If I am not mistaken there was no other man close to Karem's heights when he was dominating.
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*currenty im reconsidering my Atheist pov.*
Nice. :)
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Didn't George Gervin average a triple double one year?
I think that would trump Kobe's scoring streak.
I wonder why Kareem doesn't get more love out of people? He might have dominated more on every level he played than every other player including Jordan. Lew Alcinder was unstoppable.
I think Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double for his career? Or was it just one season?
Kareem would have dominated at any time IMO because the sky hook cannot really be defended.
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If I am not mistaken there was no other man close to Karem's heights when he was dominating.
thats was ages ago, kareem was a wanker...its the fans that make the players star
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So I missed the start of game 1 because of a stinkin meeting. Now my so-called wife and daughter have scheduled a party at the beach that will cause me to miss the start of game 2. Did I do something to anger the basketball gods or something? :-\
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So I missed the start of game 1 because of a stinkin meeting. Now my so-called wife and daughter have scheduled a party at the beach that will cause me to miss the start of game 2. Did I do something to anger the basketball gods or something? :-\
AHAHAha its your fault man, Marriage does fuck all for the man..
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AHAHAha its your fault man, Marriage does fuck all for the man..
You are right. I have no one to blame but myself. And them for not consulting me. >:( I think I want to renegotiate my contract. :D
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You are right. I have no one to blame but myself. And them for not consulting me. >:( I think I want to renegotiate my contract. :D
see, thats why im never the main guy, im always the other guy.
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Nice. :)
kinda always knew in the back of my mind it would resurface..not happy about it >:(
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So I missed the start of game 1 because of a stinkin meeting. Now my so-called wife and daughter have scheduled a party at the beach that will cause me to miss the start of game 2. Did I do something to anger the basketball gods or something? :-\
Dang, Lakers down 0-1, you know 24 is going to put on a show. its gonna be a good one i guarantee. nothing like watching i vengeful Kobe.
Kareem was a little before my time, but wasnt he lacking defensively? but yea i think he could certainly play today and be very effective, with the sky hook. why the heck doesnt anyone use it today? its a beautiful shot and it fairly unstoppable.
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the media is making too much out pierce's knee. sick of hearing about it.
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what a bullshit game.
Lakers will come back.
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ref's helped the celtics tremendously. The Lakers came back when the ref's put their whistles away. This laker team is capable of beating the celtics.
officiating was awful
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ref's helped the celtics tremendously. The Lakers came back when the ref's put their whistles away. This laker team is capable of beating the celtics.
officiating was awful
Oh please, stop making excuses..... The lakers had no answer for Powe, and they where dominated ALL night. The lakers came back when the Celtics started playing the 22 point lead, and stopped playing defense. Then they turned it back on, and they put them away. The Celtics pulled away at will, and the lakers coulden't stop them. Watching the Celtics all year, they tend to plat leads, and that is something the CANNOT do against a team like the Lakers. Kobe has had trouble with the Celtics all year, it's now becoming a trend.
Halrious how the Celtics attack all night, and get the lakers to commit fouls, yet the domination the lakers suffered was not from the Celtics great performance, it was from the refs handing them the game.
This lakers team is very capable of beating the Celtics, but as you saw AGAIN, the Celtics can beat the Lakers. Celtics in 7...
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its not over yet...(that what all losers say)
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its not over yet...(that what all losers say)
Hell no it's not over. This series will go seven games, and the Celtics will have to give it all they have to win. The Celtics have played leads all year, they ALWAYS play a lead when they go up big. You saw it tonight, they go up by 22, and they stop playing defense, they stop playing with that swarming intensity. Hopefully they learned their lesson tonight, and they continue to play the way they are playing.
I think the Celtics shocked a lot of lakers fans, who thought the lakers bench was superior to the Celtics. As you saw again tonight, the second Jackson tried to ride his bench for long periods of time - ( like he did vs the spurs), the Celtics went up by 10 points no problem. Kudos to Allen for casuing Kobe to chase him, and foul him several times.
If the Celtics bench plays to it's capabilites, and the big three perform up to par, I think the Celtics take the series.
In the previous series, Allen was playig TERRIBLE. Now that Allen is back to his old form, and Peirce is scoring like a maniac, the Celtics are playing like they played all year. I think the Celtics defense was overlooked by the national media, because of the wow factor the Lakers brought offensivley. As you can see, the defense is really making a difference.
Powe really stepped up tonight, and If the Celts can steal one in LA, they will be in good shape when they come home.
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Body, guess my 4-1 prediction is out the window. Hat's off, if I did not show due deference, please write it off to being an enthusiastic lifelong fan. Don't get me wrong . . . we're coming after you at Staples!
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Hell no it's not over. This series will go seven games, and the Celtics will have to give it all they have to win. The Celtics have played leads all year, they ALWAYS play a lead when they go up big. You saw it tonight, they go up by 22, and they stop playing defense, they stop playing with that swarming intensity. Hopefully they learned their lesson tonight, and they continue to play the way they are playing.
I think the Celtics shocked a lot of lakers fans, who thought the lakers bench was superior to the Celtics. As you saw again tonight, the second Jackson tried to ride his bench for long periods of time - ( like he did vs the spurs), the Celtics went up by 10 points no problem. Kudos to Allen for casuing Kobe to chase him, and foul him several times.
If the Celtics bench plays to it's capabilites, and the big three perform up to par, I think the Celtics take the series.
In the previous series, Allen was playig TERRIBLE. Now that Allen is back to his old form, and Peirce is scoring like a maniac, the Celtics are playing like they played all year. I think the Celtics defense was overlooked by the national media, because of the wow factor the Lakers brought offensivley. As you can see, the defense is really making a difference.
Powe really stepped up tonight, and If the Celts can steal one in LA, they will be in good shape when they come home.
Agree with the majority of this.. However I laugh at you guys that see this going 7... I call the Celts in 5. Kobe will melt after they lose in LA. The Lakers have a decent squad, but you are talking about the celts who have 3 big names that share the ball and play their asses off. They feed off each other and if one of them aren't pulling the load a bench guy steps up. Rondo was killing me though, the last little bit he had a few straight looks at the hoop and the lane and he drives and dishes out. Fuck he has to stop doing that... Celts will win first game in LA.... ;D
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Agree with the majority of this.. However I laugh at you guys that see this going 7... I call the Celts in 5. Kobe will melt after they lose in LA. The Lakers have a decent squad, but you are talking about the celts who have 3 big names that share the ball and play their asses off. They feed off each other and if one of them aren't pulling the load a bench guy steps up. Rondo was killing me though, the last little bit he had a few straight looks at the hoop and the lane and he drives and dishes out. Fuck he has to stop doing that... Celts will win first game in LA.... ;D
Kobe does not "melt' . . .
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I feel for bad for my man Beach Bum, his married, his wife orders him around and now his team is down 2-0.. hey man you still got your health.
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I feel for bad for my man Beach Bum, his married, his wife orders him around and no his team is down 2-0.. hey man you still got your health.
Wow, Quicker, friend or foe?
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Wow, Quicker, friend or foe?
Friend!
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Kobe is so fluid when going to the hole, his arsenal is amazing. though it would be nice to see guys like Pierce, Allen, KG and PJ Brown to get a ring. sorry i know there are a lot of Laker fans here. when Bynum gets back though the Lakes will be a joy to watch.
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Can't believe I am saying this, but I hope Boston gets another ring. My two favorite teams are the Philedelphia 76ers and whomever is playing the Lakers.
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Body, guess my 4-1 prediction is out the window. Hat's off, if I did not show due deference, please write it off to being an enthusiastic lifelong fan. Don't get me wrong . . . we're coming after you at Staples!
Don't worry about it. You were not way off base in your prediction. I don't think anyone is the national media gave the Celtics much of a shot in this series. Having watched the Celtics all year, I know how ridiculous the defense can be, if they play to their capabilities. At the start of this series, I said the Celtics were going to be very physical, and I didn't think certain lakers could handle that type of play. The Celtics own the boards, own the lakers inside, and they are forcing Kobe to work for every single shot he takes. Also, Kobe can't get into the paint, which keeps him off the line. He will make some perimeter jumpers, and he will miss some, but he won't do the severe damage that everyone was predicting. This is the fourth time Kobe has struggled vs the Celts, and I think that they can contain him.
Last night, the Celtics just kept attacking and drawing fouls from a reeling lakers team. I saw Allen cause Kobe make two blatant fouls, while chasing him down. The lakers are not used to an ultra physical brand of ball, and when the Celtics d is swarming like that, and the scorers are attacking and drawing fouls, they are going to win ball games. Also, the Celtics bench was underestimated by the media. As I said before, the second Jackson tried to ride his bench for an extended period of time, the Celtics went up by ten points. I thought the Celtics controlled the games last night, and pulled away several times at will. Unfortunately, they also fell back into the trend of playing the score, which allowed the Lakers back in it. Hopefull they learned their lesson. I fully expect the lakers to win 2 our of the three games at the staples center, but in the end the Celtics will win the series IMO.
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Lakers got beat. They'll have to regroup for next game.
good article from espn.
Whistle disparity in Game 2 leaves Lakers feeling foul
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=jacksonlakers-080609 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=jacksonlakers-080609)
if certain players didn't get in foul trouble so early this would have been a different game. it's over so we'll have to wait for game three.
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Lakers got beat. They'll have to regroup for next game.
good article from espn.
Whistle disparity in Game 2 leaves Lakers feeling foul
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=jacksonlakers-080609 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=jacksonlakers-080609)
if certain players didn't get in foul trouble so early this would have been a different game. it's over so we'll have to wait for game three.
Certain lakers got into foul trouble, because they committed fouls. Btw, a Lakers fan crying about fouls is the highest level of hypocrisy.... The spurs got screwed by the refs during the last call of thier series vs the lakers, and not a single Laker fan had a thing to say about it.
Citing an article written by JA is halarious. The guy is a lakers ballwasher, and is far from objctive. I love how he cites a bunch of whining lakers players, and expects people to take the team that lost seriously. The lakers are a great team, and this just makes them look weak. They dont need to make excuses, and they can win with there skills on the court.
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Certain lakers got into foul trouble, because they committed fouls. Btw, a Lakers fan crying about fouls is the highest level of hypocrisy.... The spurs got screwed by the refs during the last call of thier series vs the lakers, and not a single Laker fan had a thing to say about it.
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thanks I had a chuckle.
lakers just have to play.
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I feel for bad for my man Beach Bum, his married, his wife orders him around and now his team is down 2-0.. hey man you still got your health.
lol. Hey man I can't cook so I do not bite the hand that feeds me. :) Besides, it was my daughter's graduation party, so I kinda sorta had to go. I was already in the dog house for skipping the eighth grade graduation of some girl from my church so I could watch the Laker game and the Lost season finale.
But I'm cool with the series so far. Boston went up 2-0 on Atlanta and Cleveland, but with larger margins than these last two. They won't be getting the ridiculous calls at Staples. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but watching a game like yesterday makes me wonder if Stern gave the refs a call before the game telling them he wants this to go seven. The first two calls on Kobe were horrible. I agree with Mark Jackson who said you can call those every time down the floor. I wasn't complaining too loudly at first, if they were going to call ticky tack stuff on both sides of the floor, but they clearly didn't. The last call Pierce got with the Lakers down by two was terrible.
Phil summed it up best:
"I'm more struck at the fact that Leon Powe gets more foul shots than our whole team does in 14 minutes of play," Jackson said. "That's ridiculous. I've never seen a game like that in all these years I've coached in the Finals. Unbelievable."
Jackson went on to say the Celtics' aggressiveness "swayed the effective calls."
"I have no question about the fact my players got fouled but didn't get to the line," he said. "The referees referee an illusion. Our guys look like maybe the ball was partially stripped when they were getting raked or whatever was happening, but it was in a crowd, so the referees let that type of thing go."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers9-2008jun09,0,2260620.story
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lol. Hey man I can't cook so I do not bite the hand that feeds me. :) Besides, it was my daughter's graduation party, so I kinda sorta had to go. I was already in the dog house for skipping the eighth grade graduation of some girl from my church so I could watch the Laker game and the Lost season finale.
But I'm cool with the series so far. Boston went up 2-0 on Atlanta and Cleveland, but with larger margins than these last two. They won't be getting the ridiculous calls at Staples. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but watching a game like yesterday makes me wonder if Stern gave the refs a call before the game telling them he wants this to go seven. The first two calls on Kobe were horrible. I agree with Mark Jackson who said you can call those every time down the floor. I wasn't complaining too loudly at first, if they were going to call ticky tack stuff on both sides of the floor, but they clearly didn't. The last call Pierce got with the Lakers down by two was terrible.
Phil summed it up best:
"I'm more struck at the fact that Leon Powe gets more foul shots than our whole team does in 14 minutes of play," Jackson said. "That's ridiculous. I've never seen a game like that in all these years I've coached in the Finals. Unbelievable."
Jackson went on to say the Celtics' aggressiveness "swayed the effective calls."
"I have no question about the fact my players got fouled but didn't get to the line," he said. "The referees referee an illusion. Our guys look like maybe the ball was partially stripped when they were getting raked or whatever was happening, but it was in a crowd, so the referees let that type of thing go."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers9-2008jun09,0,2260620.story
Your not into conspiracies, unless it effects the lakers. If Jackson wonders why Powe went to the line so much, he should ask his players who had no answer for him, and where fouling him all over the place... The Celtics ultra aggressive play got them to the line, and Phil entitlement Jackson thinks he should get a qouta of fouls because he is Phil Jackson. The Lakers cant bang with the Celtics - (IMO), and I said it before this series started. How can you claim when Kobe was chasing down Allen, and CLEARLY commited a foul that it was bullshit? The replay showed it, and the commentators agreed. Kobe didn't get to the line much vs the spurs either if I remember correctly.
How about the spurs series, the refs seemed to give it to L.A? Shit, the NBA appologized for the call that screwed the That said, it's good to see the LA media, and Lakers fans up in arms, no one gave the Celtics a shot, and now it might haunt them. The bottom line is - ( even if the Celtics got a few calls, they wont get the same treatment in LA, and LA will be the one getting the calls).
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The first two calls on Kobe were horrible. I agree with Mark Jackson who said you can call those every time down the floor.
Im no Kobe fan, i do respect his ability but first two fouls were surprising.
i cant stand how much of an effect the refs have on the game. the foul calls shouldnt have that much of a disparity. granted when they go to LA i do expect the Lakers to get the calls and in the end it will even out but it still shouldnt happen that way. call the game evenly through out the series on a per game basis, not on who has home court.
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Your not into conspiracies, unless it effects the lakers. If Jackson wonders why Powe went to the line so much, he should ask his players who had no answer for him, and where fouling him all over the place... The Celtics ultra aggressive play got them to the line, and Phil entitlement Jackson thinks he should get a qouta of fouls because he is Phil Jackson. The Lakers cant bang with the Celtics - (IMO), and I said it before this series started. How can you claim when Kobe was chasing down Allen, and CLEARLY commited a foul that it was bullshit? The replay showed it, and the commentators agreed. Kobe didn't get to the line much vs the spurs either if I remember correctly.
How about the spurs series, the refs seemed to give it to L.A? Shit, the NBA appologized for the call that screwed the That said, it's good to see the LA media, and Lakers fans up in arms, no one gave the Celtics a shot, and now it might haunt them. The bottom line is - ( even if the Celtics got a few calls, they wont get the same treatment in LA, and LA will be the one getting the calls).
The Celtics played very good defense and they were aggressive. They also got a lot of help. The FT disparity was 38 to 10 in favor of Boston. That was not related to Boston just being aggressive, while the Lakers were not. I'm biased. I'm a lifelong Laker fan. But even talking to my friends who hate the Lakers they agree the refs did not call this game evenly.
Regarding Kobe, I watched both calls and they should not have been called. As I said, I agree with Mark Jackson's comments.
Let's pick this up again on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. I'll either be crying like a baby (again) or saying "see what happens when the refs get out of the way." :)
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The Lakes will get a ton of calls during their home series.
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Im no Kobe fan, i do respect his ability but first two fouls were surprising.
i cant stand how much of an effect the refs have on the game. the foul calls shouldnt have that much of a disparity. granted when they go to LA i do expect the Lakers to get the calls and in the end it will even out but it still shouldnt happen that way. call the game evenly through out the series on a per game basis, not on who has home court.
I agree.
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The Lakes will get a ton of calls during their home series.
Kobe will get to the line like crazy
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I'll either be crying like a baby (again)
you guys have three rings this decade.
and at least it was a nice sunny day on sunday :-\
you worried about the drought?
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you guys have three rings this decade.
and at least it was a nice sunny day on sunday :-\
you worried about the drought?
Beautiful weekend. :)
Not worried about the drought. Are you?
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Phil and Laker-fan might be whiniest people in the sports world.
Nut up and play.
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Beautiful weekend. :)
Not worried about the drought. Are you?
kinda, it hasnt really rained in a while here much less on a consistant basis.
off on weds!! Kamehameha Day! :)
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kinda, it hasnt really rained in a while here much less on a consistant basis.
off on weds!! Kamehameha Day! :)
Enjoy! I might work from home.
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Fuck the Celtics. That is all.
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I saw a license plate this past weekend that said "Beat LA."
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I thought the Celtics had worse match ups vs the Pistons. I think they match up better vs the lakers, and I think they will win the series. That said, I think the Lakers win tomorrow, and the Celtics take game 4. Laker's come back to win games five and six, and the Celtics win game seven.
It's highly unlikely that the Laker's will rail off four straight wins, and the Celtics are kind of banged up. E.T - (Sammy boy) has a sprained wrist, and Perk is not 100 percent. The refs will make up for all the Laker's bitching tomorrow night, and I expect the laker's to utilize that pick and role the Celtics can't seem to stop.
In the end I think the Celtics win, due to the swarming defense, and the emergence of Allen, FINALLY. If the big three is playing like they should, and the Celts bench is performing like it has in the last two series, I see there being to many weapons for the Lakers to overcome. Kobe will go off eventually, but I don't think his supporting cast is physical enough......
I have to tip my hat to Rondo, he has really turned it on. He may be young, but he is a an assist machine, and plays great defense. I think Kobe could stop him from running the floor, but that would leave Fischer on Allen, and Allen would tear him apart.
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Celtics win tonight MARK THOSE WORDS!!!!
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Celtics win tonight MARK THOSE WORDS!!!!
had to quote you just incase u deleted it later.
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had to quote you just incase u deleted it later.
Even if they don't win... That is my call and I feel very strong about it.
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had to quote you just incase u deleted it later.
The Celtics might win tonight, but with the crew of officials doing tonights game, the Lakers will be on the line all night. Which is fine, it will stop the Lakers and there fan base from crying :) ;)
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it has nothing to do with complaining.
all anyone wants is fair officiating.
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I think the Lakers will tie it up at home, Celts are horrible on the road. if the Lakes even the series i would expect them to win, I dont see Kobe letting it go.
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I think the Lakers will tie it up at home, Celts are horrible on the road. if the Lakes even the series i would expect them to win, I dont see Kobe letting it go.
The Celtics were fantastic on the road during the regular season, and had their two best games on the road vs detriot - ( who poses more match up problems for boston than LA). They overcame that road funk in the last series. The Lakers can't tie the series on the road.They could go up 3-2 on the road, however no team has ever railed off three straight wins since the 2 + 3 format was introduced. Not to mention, the Celtics are to good to let that happen - imo...
As a fan I would be thrilled with the celtics coming back 3-2 ( winning one of the three games). That forces LA to beat the Celtics in the Garden twice, and I dont think it would happen. I dont think the lakers can win 4 out of the next six games. History says otherwise according to the record. They will win tonight, but I think Boston wins in the end...
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it has nothing to do with complaining.
all anyone wants is fair officiating.
Then dont watch the NBA. Look at the history of the sport. The lakers will get there calls, just like they did vs the spurs.
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The Celtics were fantastic on the road during the regular season, and had their two best games on the road vs detriot - ( who poses more match up problems for boston than LA). They overcame that road funk in the last series. The Lakers can't tie the series on the road.They could go up 3-2 on the road, however no team has ever railed off three straight wins since the 2 + 3 format was introduced. Not to mention, the Celtics are to good to let that happen - imo...
As a fan I would be thrilled with the celtics coming back 3-2 ( winning one of the three games). That forces LA to beat the Celtics in the Garden twice, and I dont think it would happen. I dont think the lakers can win 4 out of the next six games. History says otherwise according to the record. They will win tonight, but I think Boston wins in the end...
i understand that they were great on the road in the reg season, but the playoffs have been a different story for them for whatever reason. Im honestly hoping for a 3-0 lead tonight. I want Pierce and co. to get a ring, the lakers will be contenders for years to come not so sure about Boston, they're up there in age sort of. I guess KG and Pierce have a few good years left.
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There's no question that the officiating was unbelievably one-sided in Game 2, but at the same time, the Lakers did not hit their open shots.
More importantly, although people are saying "wow, almost a great comeback", what they aren't looking at are things like the rebound Ray Allen got with 4:54 to play because not a single Laker made any attempt at getting the ball. That was the lapse that proved to be the difference in the game.
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too many commercials,
and the commentary is terrible to listen to. TNTs crew is much better. Do they think billions of children are watching this? ABC is gay.
They don't show good replays either. I wanted to see allen getting fouled by kobe.
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there hasn't been many loose ball fouls
lakers need to forget about the 3's for now. they need to get into the paint.
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too many commercials,
and the commentary is terrible to listen to. TNTs crew is much better. Do they think billions of children are watching this? ABC is gay.
They don't show good replays either. I wanted to see allen getting fouled by kobe.
After the Justin Timberfake-Janet debacle...they have downgraded everything to Sesame Street Level
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and the commentary is terrible to listen to.
I disagree.
Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson work well together.
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I disagree.
Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson work well together.
if it wasn't on ABC it would be better, maybe.
good job by the Lakers!
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The coverage hasn't been that bad and Tafoya hasn't even annoyed me yet, but yes, the TNT guys are much better.
The ticky-tack foul calls in the 1st half on Odom, Radmanovic, and Pierce helped lower the overall level of play in this game.
The Lakers were the beneficiary of more calls/no-calls tonite, but going 21-for-34 from the line was completely unacceptable.
The defense from both teams wasn't nearly good enough to justify such horrible shooting from the field (Boston 35%, LA 44%).
Quit standing around, Gasol!
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Great defensive effort by the Lakers. Gotta hit those FTs.
Gasol needs to score, but he is doing a terrific job on Garnett.
Radmanovic is useless.
Odom needs to get his head in the game, just like Phil said after game 2.
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Great defensive effort by the Lakers. Gotta hit those FTs.
Gasol needs to score, but he is doing a terrific job on Garnett.
Radmanovic is useless.
Odom needs to get his head in the game, just like Phil said after game 2.
Stupid offensive foul at the end...shit was blatant
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Stupid offensive foul at the end...shit was blatant
Yep. But great assist to Sasha at the end.
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I will eat my words.. The Lakes one and I was WRONG!!! I think they will only win this game though. I called it 4=1 and I still believe it will end that way. KG and Pierce played like SHIT! I was wondering if they even showed up?
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Great defensive effort by the Lakers. Gotta hit those FTs.
Gasol needs to score, but he is doing a terrific job on Garnett.
Radmanovic is useless.
Odom needs to get his head in the game, just like Phil said after game 2.
I was happy with the game... KG and Peirce went 9 - 33, and where pretty much useless last night. I knew the Lakers would get all the calls -(rightfully so), and to be as close to winning as the Celtics where, makes me confident the Celtics will win this thing in the end.
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I will eat my words.. The Lakes one and I was WRONG!!! I think they will only win this game though. I called it 4=1 and I still believe it will end that way. KG and Pierce played like SHIT! I was wondering if they even showed up?
The Lakers played thier hearts out, and won the game by 7 points, while our two biggest weapons went 9 - 33. The Lakers had the foul advantage, and Kobe had a good game. To me, it looks like Gasol and Odem are playing with no fire. The Celtics will win this thing in the end IMO.
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That's the thing that concerned me most - the Celtics top 2 players played like shit all night long, and Boston still had a chance to win the game.
Coming into this series, it's clear (now) that the Boston bench didn't get nearly enough of the credit it deserved from the national media.
The box score from the game shows that Boston was only +1 in the rebounding category, and we'll live with them being +5 on the offensive end. LA made 1 more FG, but Boston had *14* more shots.
Vujacic saved the Lakers by scoring 20 in just 28 minutes of action.
Kobe had a really bad night at the line, but at least he got there, which is what the Lakers need. He won't go 11-for-18 again.
Thursday's game is especially critical. If the officiating stays about the same, we should have the edge. Let's get it to 2-2 and then I like LA's chances in a best 2-out-of-3 scenario at this point.
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The Lakers played thier hearts out, and won the game by 7 points, while our two biggest weapons went 9 - 33. The Lakers had the foul advantage, and Kobe had a good game. To me, it looks like Gasol and Odem are playing with no fire. The Celtics will win this thing in the end IMO.
The sad part is that, for all the hype, we've seen 3 very poorly played games so far.
The Celtics have the advantage right now, and they've got more good players on the court.
Even though the Celtics were called for 5 more personal fouls, I don't think that's a large discrepancy, especially considering that 2 of the Laker starters - Odom and Radmanovic - were saddled with 3 each pretty early. Yes, you guys lost Pierce, but we were down 2 guys. No, I'm not suggesting that either - or even both combined - equals a Paul Pierce, but they are 2 bodies that we needed on the court and they weren't there.
I agree with a point you made at the start - that LA played about as hard as they could...and barely won. Yes, they need shots to fall, but if you watched the entire game, you noticed that LA outplayed Boston pretty badly and yet Boston still had a very real chance to win and put the series away.
Sure, I want LA to win, but what I really want is an increased level of play from both teams.
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I was happy with the game... KG and Peirce went 9 - 33, and where pretty much useless last night. I knew the Lakers would get all the calls -(rightfully so), and to be as close to winning as the Celtics where, makes me confident the Celtics will win this thing in the end.
Overall, I was happy with the game too. If the Lakers hit their FTs the game isn't close. I still like their chances in the series. The Celtics have no answer for Kobe. They don't have a player who can just takeover the game in the fourth like he does. As long as the game is close going into the fourth, which it should be, the Lakers have the edge.
KG is just being KG. He never dominates in the playoffs. Gasol is doing a great job on him.
If Gasol and Odom get their act together the Lakers will win games 4 and 5 IMO.
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The sad part is that, for all the hype, we've seen 3 very poorly played games so far.
The Celtics have the advantage right now, and they've got more good players on the court.
Even though the Celtics were called for 5 more personal fouls, I don't think that's a large discrepancy, especially considering that 2 of the Laker starters - Odom and Radmanovic - were saddled with 3 each pretty early. Yes, you guys lost Pierce, but we were down 2 guys. No, I'm not suggesting that either - or even both combined - equals a Paul Pierce, but they are 2 bodies that we needed on the court and they weren't there.
I agree with a point you made at the start - that LA played about as hard as they could...and barely won. Yes, they need shots to fall, but if you watched the entire game, you noticed that LA outplayed Boston pretty badly and yet Boston still had a very real chance to win and put the series away.
Sure, I want LA to win, but what I really want is an increased level of play from both teams.
Boston played as well as they could play in game 2 and were only up by 2 with under a minute to play. They played very well in game 1 and the Lakers were only down by 4 late in the fourth.
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Boston played as well as they could play in game 2 and were only up by 2 with under a minute to play. They played very well in game 1 and the Lakers were only down by 4 late in the fourth.
Thats true, but the Celtics dominated those games at times, and the Lakers at there best didn't dominate Boston. Typically, game three in a finals series shows the down teams best shot. If thats the case this year, the lakers are in trouble. A few things I saw, the lakers didn't do anything special on d, they put Kobe on Rondo, and Allen tore them a new one. True, Rondo couldent penetrate as deep into the defense as game two, but Allen was tearing it up. House can combat that move by Jackson moving forward. Had KG and Peirce not gone 9-33 the Celtics would have won the game, plain and simple. People would be calling Jackson out over it. Fisher cannot gaurd Allen. KG held both Gasol, and Odem to 18 points combined. Peirce and KG where great in all parts of their game except shooting, so im not worried at all about last nights loss. What the Lakers did do, was up there intensity, and ask Kobe to carry the team. Which is not going to work over the long haul for the lakers. I look at our defense, and I dont see any breakdowns. As a lakers fan, you should be worried because, the celtics defense is still the same, and they can contain LA during their best games, and the Celtics have the scoring ability to beat you straight up. They Celtics aren't going to shoot 33 percent as a team to many times, and since the d is the exact same, I think they beat the Lakers in the end. If you have the celtics shooting like they did over the first two games of this series, plus the d, they overpower the Lakers. I look at the Celtics d, because im not worried about LA's defense. Pretty much every shot KG and Peirce missed where open looks, and the ball just didnt fall for them. Aside from Kobe, none of the lakers are bangers, and they don't make stops. I see the Celtics making Kobe earn everything he gets, and swarming to make stops, and the Lakers didn't pull away. Blocked shots, contested shots, rebounds, steals and swarming defense is something the Lakers cannot match.
The national media overrated the lakers, they unerrated the Celtics bench and ignored the defense. Not sure why you would feel good having to win 2 our of three games in Boston, unless you are ignoring Boston record in the garden.
Just my take on the game, I could be wrong and the lakers could storm back to win this thing. Just my .2.......
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Here are the facts, the lakers didn't do anything special on d, they put Kobe on Rondo, and Allen tore them a new one. True, Rondo couldent penetrate as deep into the defense as game two, but Allen was tearing it up. Had KG and Peirce not gone 9-33 the Celtics would have won the game. People would be calling Jackson out over it. Fisher cannot gaurd Allen. KG held both Gasol, and Odem to 18 points combined. Peirce and KG where great in all parts of their game except shooting, so im not worried at all about last nights loss. I look at our defense, and I dont see any breakdowns. As a lakers fan, you should be worried because, the celtics defense is still the same, and they can contain LA during their best games, and the Celtics have the scoring ability to beat you straight up. They Celtics aren't going to shoot 33 percent as a team to many times, and since the d is the exact same, I think they beat the Lakers in the end. You have the celtics shooting like they did over the first two games of this series, plus the d, they overpower the Lakers. I look at the Celtics d, because im not worried about LA's defense. Pretty much every shot KG and Peirce missed where open looks, and the ball just didnt fall for them. Aside from Kobe, none of the lakers are bangers. I see the Celtics making Kobe earn everything he gets, and swarming to make stops.
The national media overrated the lakers, they unerrated the Celtics bench and ignored the defense. Not sure why you would feel good having to win 2 our of three games in Boston, unless you are ignoring Boston record in the garden.
Just my take on the game, I could be wrong and the lakers could storm back to win this thing. Just my .2.......
I wouldn't call scoring 25 points tearing them a new one. Allen had a good game. Hit a bunch of open threes, which accounted for most of his scoring. He was burned, repeatedly, by Kobe on D, so on balance his good game isn't really so good.
The reason Boston shot such a bad percentage yesterday is the Lakers played very good D. The Lakers are a very good defensive team. Boston is too.
KG did a very good job on Gasol yesterday. Great block on one shot. He needed that after Gasol dunked right in his grill in game 2. :)
The reason I'd be worried if I were a Celtics fan is they can't guard Kobe, the Celtics are not consistently good on offense, and they don't have a closer like Kobe.
I think the Lakers have a very good shot to win games 4 and 5 and the series, if they play like they did in game 3 (and hit their FTs). But we'll see. Good series so far.
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I wouldn't call scoring 25 points tearing them a new one. Allen had a good game. Hit a bunch of open threes, which accounted for most of his scoring. He was burned, repeatedly, by Kobe on D, so on balance his good game isn't really so good.
The reason Boston shot such a bad percentage yesterday is the Lakers played very good D. The Lakers are a very good defensive team. Boston is too.
KG did a very good job on Gasol yesterday. Great block on one shot. He needed that after Gasol dunked right in his grill in game 2. :)
The reason I'd be worried if I were a Celtics fan is they can't guard Kobe, the Celtics are not consistently good on offense, and they don't have a closer like Kobe.
I think the Lakers have a very good shot to win games 4 and 5 and the series, if they play like they did in game 3 (and hit their FTs). But we'll see. Good series so far.
I'm sorry thats just not true. Nobody can gaurd Kobe, but Kobe cant win this on his own. Celtics win the series, bet on it.
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I'm sorry thats just not true. Nobody can gaurd Kobe, but Kobe cant win this on his own. Celtics win the series, bet on it.
I guess we watched different games then. I saw a very good defensive performance by L.A. They held Boston to 34.9 percent shooting for the game, with KG's 9-21 accounting for much of this. KG shot 9-21 because Gasol and Ronny did a great job defending him. Turned him exclusively into a jump shooter.
I agree Kobe cannot win on his own. Yesterday Sasha stepped up. Tomorrow it might Gasol, Odom, or Fish. But yes, he needs help.
I wouldn't bet on the winner of this series. It can go either way IMO.
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game 4 will be the best game of this series.
Lakers are coming back :-*
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I guess we watched different games then. I saw a very good defensive performance by L.A. They held Boston to 34.9 percent shooting for the game, with KG's 9-21 accounting for much of this. KG shot 9-21 because Gasol and Ronny did a great job defending him. Turned him exclusively into a jump shooter.
I agree Kobe cannot win on his own. Yesterday Sasha stepped up. Tomorrow it might Gasol, Odom, or Fish. But yes, he needs help.
I wouldn't bet on the winner of this series. It can go either way IMO.
I guess so, that low shooting percentage was missed shots. I saw open looks, and little to no contesting of shots by the lakers. KG is a great shooter, and it was clear to me, that he didn't have it last night. He was missing slams, and easy gimmies also. Pierce and KG had open shots, they just didn't make them. As Kobe would say "bunnies". I'm not making excuses, making the shots is part of the game, and the Celtics didn't make them last night, so they lost. I believe that Boston will play much better offensivley, and the difference in defense will win them the series. All I saw last night was Kobe put on Rondo, and a far more aggressive laker team, which translated to more points from the line. I stick to my opinion, the lakers are not a great defensive team, and the Celtics didn't have any serious defensive break downs last night. They simply got no help from there two best players, and I don't think the lakers d was the cause of it. I think that the Celtics will improve there scoring percentage, to the level of the first two games, and the defense will remain consistant.
Imo the fact that LA played the way they did, and KG and Pierce struggled the way they did gives me more fiath that the Celtics will win this series. I don't believe LA's defense was the cause of there offensive struggles. Just my opinion of course.
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game 4 will be the best game of this series.
Lakers are coming back :-*
I disagree, if history holds true, last night will be LA's best game....
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I guess so, that low shooting percentage was missed shots. I saw open looks, and little to no contesting of shots by the lakers. KG is a great shooter, and it was clear to me, that he didn't have it last night. He was missing slams, and easy gimmies also. Pierce and KG had open shots, they just didn't make them. As Kobe would say "bunnies". I'm not making excuses, making the shots is part of the game, and the Celtics didn't make them last night, so they lost. I believe that Boston will play much better offensivley, and the difference in defense will win them the series. All I saw last night was Kobe put on Rondo, and a far more aggressive laker team, which translated to more points from the line. I stick to my opinon, the lakers are not a great defensive team, and the Celtics didn't have any serious defensive break down last night. They simply got no help from there two best players, and I don't think the lakers d was the cause of it.
Imo the fact that LA played the way they did, and KG and Pierce struggled the way they did gives me more fiath that the Celtics will win this series. I don't believe LA's defense was the cause of there offensive struggles. Just my opinion of course.
Yeah. We just saw game 3 differently. I saw a lot of contested shots. Great help defense. Very good man defense.
One of us is bound to be right about the winner. :)
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I disagree, if history holds true, last night will be LA's best game....
What history? The fact the Lakers took 4 straight from Denver, beat Utah at the toughest place in the NBA, took out the defending NBA champs in 5 games, or that Boston has only won 2 road games in these playoffs? That history (these playoffs) is really the only history that matters.
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What history? The fact the Lakers took 4 straight from Denver, beat Utah at the toughest place in the NBA, took out the defending NBA champs in 5 games, or that Boston has only won 2 road games in these playoffs? That history (these playoffs) is really the only history that matters.
I'm talking about NBA finals history. Game three is usually the down teams best game. I think i might be accurate on this one, as always I could be wrong.
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Yeah. We just saw game 3 differently. I saw a lot of contested shots. Great help defense. Very good man defense.
One of us is bound to be right about the winner. :)
Thats true, I just hope its the Celtics! :)
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KG hasnt showed up for this series yet...not sure if he will.
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KG hasnt showed up for this series yet...not sure if he will.
KG held both Gasol and Odem to 18 points last night.... He has shown up defensivley, but your right, he needs to show up on the other side of the ball....
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Boston played as well as they could play in game 2 and were only up by 2 with under a minute to play. They played very well in game 1 and the Lakers were only down by 4 late in the fourth.
True, but the fact that the Lakers found a way to lose both those games - even when they'd been blown out in Game 2, they had the Celtics reeling and Boston had essentially folded - is magnified because this is just a 7-game series.
Even if we complete the unlikely home sweep, you're still facing the prospect of having to win Game 6 in Boston. Take care of business in Game 1 and you could've wrapped this thing up right at home.
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KG hasnt showed up for this series yet...not sure if he will.
true, there playing him well
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It seems like Boston is the better team so far to me. I picked Lakers in 6 but it may take 7 for them to win it if they can. I don't really see someone winning 4 straight in this series.
Gasol, Odom and KG are living up to their reps as being softer than rose petals.
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tre are you a frontrunner fan?
you root for the lakers and red wings ::)
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It seems like Boston is the better team so far to me. I picked Lakers in 6 but it may take 7 for them to win it if they can. I don't really see someone winning 4 straight in this series.
Gasol, Odom and KG are living up to their reps as being softer than rose petals.
You think KG is soft? He won defensive player of the year, and held bot Odem and Gasol to 9 points each in the last game. He has been struggling on the offensive side of the ball in this series for sure, but I wouldent call him soft, he plays defense.
I agree with you about Boston being the better team, I think they win it in seven. The lakers won't go down without a fight...
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I wouldn't call scoring 25 points tearing them a new one. Allen had a good game. Hit a bunch of open threes, which accounted for most of his scoring. He was burned, repeatedly, by Kobe on D, so on balance his good game isn't really so good.
His only job is to get the Boston scoring higher, because they know LA is going to get its points (except in the 2nd half of Game 2).
But LA lost Game 2 because they allowed him to get an offensive rebound late in the 4th by just standing there.
The reason I'd be worried if I were a Celtics fan is they can't guard Kobe, the Celtics are not consistently good on offense, and they don't have a closer like Kobe.
Good series so far.
You couldn't be more wrong. While *all* the Celtics aren't consistently good, neither are the Lakers and the Lakers need their offense more than Boston needs theirs. They don't need to contain Kobe if Gasol, Odom, and Radmanovich are missing wide open looks which they have all series long.
Paul Pierce is at least 95% as good as Kobe when it comes to closing...witness Game 2 if you need any evidence.
It's been a horrible series. Only Game 3 has really been 'close' in the closing minutes (LA expended too much energy catching up from, what, 24 down in Game 2), and all 3 games have featured terrible play by both teams on both ends for almost the entire 48 minutes.
I'm watching because I'm a Laker fan, not because these teams are playing the best basketball I've seen all season.
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tre are you a frontrunner fan?
you root for the lakers and red wings ::)
My favorites' history is very well-documented. Do your research before spoutin' off! ;)
NHL - Red Wings
NFL - Raiders
MLB - Hate all, but will check the Dodger score from time-to-time
NBA - Lakers
NASCAR - Tony Stewart (the anti-Jeff Gordon), Dale Jr., plus any Ford driver
I don't watch soccer, but know the names of some of the well-known international clubs.
I pulled for the Giants in this year's Super Bowl, not because they're my team, but because I wanted someone to beat those evil Patriots. I like Tony Dungy.
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You think KG is soft? He won defensive player of the year, and held bot Odem and Gasol to 9 points each in the last game. He has been struggling on the offensive side of the ball in this series for sure, but I wouldent call him soft, he plays defense.
I agree with you about Boston being the better team, I think they win it in seven. The lakers won't go down without a fight...
I wouldn't call him soft, but he has been handled pretty well by Gasol and Ronny. They held him to 6 for 21 shooting in game 3. The Lakers held Pierce to 2 for 14 in game 3. That's a combined 8 for 35.
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Gasol, Odom and KG are living up to their reps as being softer than rose petals.
I heard people are wearing shirts that read "Paul Gasoft" serioulsy.
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game 4 will be the best game of this series.
Lakers are coming back :-*
CELTS WIN TONIGHT.. Then close it out at home.
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KG held both Gasol and Odem to 18 points last night.... He has shown up defensivley, but your right, he needs to show up on the other side of the ball....
true, there playing him well
KG is a 4/5 that plays like a 2. how many time does he take the ball on the wing and square up and try to take the guy of the dribble only only to pull up for the mid-range, for which he doesnt have? i rarely see a post move from him. so frustrating, i mean he is 7 feet tall and plays like he's 6'6"
and you can say KG is playing Odom and Gasol well due to their lack of points thus far but then you would have to say the same for Gasol/Odom for holding KG (future hof) to his futile offensive showing. If the big three would all just show up and produce to 70% of their capabilities it would be over for the lakes. they cant have one guy show up and the other two not. like the last game with Allen scoring 25 or whatever the Paul and KG totaling below 15 per say.
but yes KG is playing fierce defense.. i think.
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Paul Pierce is at least 95% as good as Kobe when it comes to closing...witness Game 2 if you need any evidence.
You are out of your mind. when it comes to closing no one is near the level of Kobe. whenever he has the ball at the end of the game, i know its over. and i dont even like the guy...
Paul didnt show up the last game, there wont be a game this series where Kobe will have a showing like that. he is too good.
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You are out of your mind. when it comes to closing no one is near the level of Kobe. whenever he has the ball at the end of the game, i know its over. and i dont even like the guy...
Paul didnt show up the last game, there wont be a game this series where Kobe will have a showing like that. he is too good.
It's probably fair to say Pierce is about 2/3 the player Kobe is at closing, and that is no insult to Pierce, Kobe is that good.
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It's probably fair to say Pierce is about 2/3 the player Kobe is at closing, and that is no insult to Pierce, Kobe is that good.
true, honestly i havent really watched Paul all that much through out his career.
I cant stand Kobe, ive never wanted to see a guy fail so much. but he is a domiant clutch winner, just too good.
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true, honestly i havent really watched Paul all that much through out his career.
I cant stand Kobe, ive never wanted to see a guy fail so much. but he is a domiant clutch winner, just too good.
I haven't watched Pierce play much at all either. I have to say I'm impressed with what I've seen so far. Very good player.
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he "looks" out of shape compared to Kobe. but yeah, Paul is very impressive after watching him closely. very smooth player, great shot and smart below the basket, moves well w/out the ball and can create his own shot like Kobe. sound cliche i know but he does all those things very well.
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Hey guys I was just thinking, people are not talking about how the Celts had to play five more games than the Lakers. It could be a major factor. Although I coulden't imagine the celts getting this far to let that get in thier way. I think the Celtics win this in seven, and I dont think Pierce and KG will struggle like that again. Pierce is way to good on the offensive side of the ball, and KG will get it back on O.
I do think Pierce is 90 percent of Kobe when it comes to scoring and finishing, I agree with Jackson on that point. Gundy also agreed I believe. It's easy to think the truth is not on that level, because he is not ripped and flashy, but the man can score with the best of them.
Anyway, I'm out to see if I can get some scalped tics at the Garden, if not, I will just drink my face off at the surrounding bars.
BEAT LA
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Hey guys I was just thinking, people are not talking about how the Celts had to play five more games than the Lakers. It could be a major factor.
Anyway, I'm out to see if I can get some scalped tics at the Garden, if not I will just drink my face off at the surrounding bars.
BEAT LA
It entered my mind as I saw KG's evident fatigue . . .
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I was reading the espn nba chat for today, this comment is good
Jeff (Phoenix, AZ): Why does everyone forget that Jordan brutalized his teammates, physically and emotionally?
SportsNation Jemele Hill: (6:18 PM ET ) Obviously, Curt Schilling didn't know that, either. I'm not one of those who is constantly on Kobe for not being a good teammate. What does that even mean?
For those who put Kobe in that category, you need to go read Sam Smith's Jordan Rules, which details how Jordan frequently berated his teammates, had a huge ego and was, to some degree, obsessed with stats. The difference was that other athletes didn't blog about it. We didn't have cameras everywhere or picture phones, because I'm sure Jordan's personal life would have been as debatable as Kobe's.
MJ never has had to live with the same scrutiny and backlash Kobe did. He was protected by reporters, who, like the rest of us, were awed by his talents.
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joffy (los angeles): J, I read Schillings article on Kobe, any truth to it?
SportsNation Jemele Hill: (6:21 PM ET ) Of course, there is truth to it. Kobe was cussing his teammates out in every huddle. So what? That's what happens when you want to win, you get frustrated and your team isn't giving you anything. If the Lakers lose this series, if I were Kobe, I'd run Lamar over in my Astin Martin.
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It entered my mind as I saw KG's evident fatigue . . .
I dont think he is fatigued, he is playing good D for the most part. Offensively he is just off. He really needs to step it up.
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Lakers by 7 tongiht
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Lakers by 7 tongiht
is this supposed to be a jinx by you? :D
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he "looks" out of shape compared to Kobe. but yeah, Paul is very impressive after watching him closely. very smooth player, great shot and smart below the basket, moves well w/out the ball and can create his own shot like Kobe. sound cliche i know but he does all those things very well.
That's the thing. I'm not a Paul Pierce fan (he's a KU guy), but there's no denying that he's got a great game. The problem is that, for most of his career, he's played on very crappy Boston teams, so few people nationally have ever watched that many of his games. His stats are what they are, but when you get to see him play 20+ games, you get a much better idea of just how valuable a player he really is. Is he better now that KG and Ray Allen are there to relieve the pressure on him? Absolutely, but the quality of his game is best indicated by what he's done to help transform Rondo into a legitimate NBA starting point guard.
I want LA to win and think they've got the ability to get it done, but even those the Lakers have the best player on the court, I'd have to argue that the Celtics have more talent in their first 8 than LA does.
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I pull for Schilling to do well (because he was beating the Yankees), but off the field, he should STFU. He's really not that interesting.
There was some liberal fag radio guy (ESPN or FOX, can't remember) trying to argue the other day that 'yelling at teammates' = 'unprofessional'.
That's bullshit - you get fired up, you share that fire with your teammates, then you go out together and kick some ass.
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sh*t five minutes into the 1st and i can tell the Celts are gonna lose. Lakes are sharp tonight. looks like you jinxed it Keith.
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sh*t five minutes into the 1st and i can tell the Celts are gonna lose. Lakes are sharp tonight. looks like you jinxed it Keith.
CELTICS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Huge win, total back breaker for the Lakers.
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I'm not disappointed with this game. Lakers had it and they lost it.
should have put radmanovic in earlier.
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You think KG is soft? He won defensive player of the year, and held bot Odem and Gasol to 9 points each in the last game. He has been struggling on the offensive side of the ball in this series for sure, but I wouldent call him soft, he plays defense.
Being soft and being tough are two different things.
KG is soft just like the Admiral from my beloved Spurs was soft.
They both shy away from taking the most important shots of the game and can disappear when the game is on the line.
I don't doubt KG's toughness just like Karl Malone was tough. But they both are usually no-shows with the game on the line.
Congrats to you and Celtics on a great win by the way.
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it's over for the lakers, no way they recover from a loss like that
i picked the lakers to win after the celtics needed 7 games to beat atlanta, i guess they play up to their competiton
nice to see all those bandwagon celebrities who grew up in other parts of the country disappointed 8)
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nice to see all those bandwagon celebrities who grew up in other parts of the country disappointed 8)
I have to admit, it is nice watching all those Celebs "acting" like they give a shit only to have a fake heartbreak.
Stealing seats from real fans. Bastards.
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I'm not disappointed with this game. Lakers had it and they lost it.
should have put radmanovic in earlier.
Come on bro, give the Celtics some credit. They overcame the largest lead in Finals history, to win by 6, in your house. This loss is a total back breaker for the Lakers, and no, I don't think its over.
The fact your team blew a giant lead, when the Celtics where playing that bad in the first half should have you worried about winning three straight - ( two of which are in Boston).
Just saying.
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oh man the celtics are hell-bent on winning..can the lakers win 3 straight???? hmmmmmmmmmmmm...beach bum what you think?
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Come on bro, give the Celtics some credit. They overcame the largest lead in Finals history, to win by 6, in your house. This loss is a total back breaker for the Lakers, and no, I don't think its over.
The fact your team blew a giant lead, when the Celtics where playing that bad in the first half should have you worried about winning three straight - ( two of which are in Boston).
Just saying.
Lakers beat themselves. That first half proves it. They played poorly in the 2nd half, Boston took advantage of it.
They can still win.
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Big leads, especially in the first half, mean nothing anymore with the 3 point line and shot clock.
Every team seems to put a run together. Lakers got theirs in the first half and the Celts in the second. It's not like the Lakes melted down. It's almost impossible to maintain the shooting for a whole game that the Lakers had in the first quarter.
It seems like large leads offering cushion are a thing of the past.
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Fuck it, i'll just say it..Without Shaq i dont think kobe can get a championship..they blew a lead and he got shutdown..down 3-1, mentally he will be scarred for the whole summer..as for comparisons to Jordan, forget it, his 29 now this is kobe at his best...
Sorry beach bum, your team choked worse then any team in NBA finals history..Jordan would of never let that happen.
(http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/kobeinside.jpg)
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Kobe will probably be begging for a trade this summer again.
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Kobe will probably be begging for a trade this summer again.
good to see is kobe is earning his contract..shaq taught him well.
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CELTICS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Huge win, total back breaker for the Lakers.
I think its almost safe to say its over! i must admit the Celts D against Kobe was impressive overall.
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Sorry beach bum, your team choked worse then any team in NBA finals history..Jordan would of never let that happen.
bwahahahahahaahahahahaha haha this is almost as good as this year's superbowl. ;D
Stop putting Jordan on a pedestal, Magic or Bird wouldn't let it happen either. Jordan was extremely fortunate to have never had to play great teams in the finals, thanx to dilution.
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Lakers by 7 tongiht
I meant the Celtics by 7
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Fuck it, i'll just say it..Without Shaq i dont think kobe can get a championship..they blew a lead and he got shutdown..down 3-1, mentally he will be scarred for the whole summer..as for comparisons to Jordan, forget it, his 29 now this is kobe at his best...
have to say im disappointed in your quick trigger to dismiss Kobe. Give Bynum a year or two, add a solid point the Lakes will be contenders. Kobe has 3-4 years left in his prime. im truly afraid this will only fuel his fire. this summer Kobe will train his ass off. Kobe is the best player in the league and will be for years to come. Jordan was the best player well into his late 30's. didnt Jordan win his first title at 29 or so? The lakes need a point that makes other players better, i dont think Kobe does that ala 23. the older Kobe gets, the more of a supporting cast you put around him and he will get better. Kobe will get a ring or two when its all said and done, although if i had my way he wouldnt.
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bwahahahahahaahahahahahahaha this is almost as good as this year's superbowl. ;D
Stop putting Jordan on a pedestal, Magic or Bird wouldn't let it happen either. Jordan was extremely fortunate to have never had to play great teams in the finals, thanx to dilution.
Pump youre way wrong. Jordan beat everybody. Barkley, Stockton/Malone 2x, Magic, Bird, the Pistons, Ewing and the Knicks! at that time the league was at its best. but yes Magic, Bird, Thomas would not let that happen
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have to say im disappointed in your quick trigger to dismiss Kobe. Give Bynum a year or two, add a solid point the Lakes will be contenders. Kobe has 3-4 years left in his prime. im truly afraid this will only fuel his fire. this summer Kobe will train his ass off. Kobe is the best player in the league and will be for years to come. Jordan was the best player well into his late 30's. didnt Jordan win his first title at 29 or so? The lakes need a point that makes other players better, i dont think Kobe does that ala 23. the older Kobe gets, the more of a supporting cast you put around him and he will get better. Kobe will get a ring or two when its all said and done, although if i had my way he wouldnt.
Two things in life..Results and excuses...kobe's play has been dissapointing, whats with all the fucken jump shots?? draw a foul, do something instead of bricking shots.
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Two things in life..Results and excuses...kobe's play has been dissapointing, whats with all the fucken jump shots?? draw a foul, do something instead of bricking shots.
dont doubt Kobe, are you off the bandwagon? the guy will be back with a vengence mark my words. he is one of the greatest ever. wait till they get a point.
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dont doubt Kobe, are you off the bandwagon? the guy will be back with a vengence mark my words. he is one of the greatest ever. wait till they get a point.
nah, the more he does the worse the other lakers become...i know these things man...
hopefully he proves me wrong.
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Lakers beat themselves. That first half proves it. They played poorly in the 2nd half, Boston took advantage of it.
They can still win.
I see.... The Celtics did nothing to win that game, huh?
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Shit I called it before the game and I called the series 4-1 at the get go. I actually have been saying celts since the KG/Allen deal went down.. WATCH OUT L.A. Boston is back on the map! Now let's hope my Bulls do something big. (wishful thinkin)
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dont doubt Kobe, are you off the bandwagon? the guy will be back with a vengence mark my words. he is one of the greatest ever. wait till they get a point.
The celtics want him to try and do everything. Peirce did a great job on him last night, and as a whole, the Celtics d has done a pretty good job on him over the series.
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Shit I called it before the game and I called the series 4-1 at the get go. I actually have been saying celts since the KG/Allen deal went down.. WATCH OUT L.A. Boston is back on the map! Now let's hope my Bulls do something big. (wishful thinkin)
I called it would go seven games, the Celtics would win both at home, and steal one out of the two on the road. They have a chance to close it out in LA, and since the loss was such a back breaker for the Lakers, they might be able to do it. For them to play that good, and have that kind of lead, and then to have the Celtics go in at half time, make adjustments, then come back to win by 7, has got to be extremely deflating.
I think the Celtics want it to much. People are not even talking about how the Celts are doing this, after playing five more games than LA, and having a bunch of nagging injuries to key players.
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Everyone else can jump ship if they want. I think Kobe still has something to say to the world before this series ends.
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The celtics want him to try and do everything. Peirce did a great job on him last night, and as a whole, the Celtics d has done a pretty good job on him over the series.
most impressive D ive seen applied on Kobe over a series post Shaq. you dont see him frustrated over an entire span of 4 games like this.
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You know the Celtics fans are secretly hoping that LA wins game five so the Celts can win the trophy in front of the home crowd. ;)
It would be quite a sight to see! Boston's a great city. Been there many times to visit friends. That would be one hell of a celebration in the city if they win the title.
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I see.... The Celtics did nothing to win that game, huh?
they stayed in it, Lakers left when they had the 24 point lead and shot poorly. That first half was the best we've seen from them. They're still in this! :)
Refs weren't an issue either.
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they stayed in it, Lakers left when they had the 24 point lead and shot poorly. That first half was the best we've seen from them. They're still in this! :)
Refs weren't an issue either.
You say the refs werent an issue, because the lakers have been getting all the calls - which is fine, its their house. The Celtics were the ones who shot poorly. Did you see the first half? Don't tell me it was because of the Lakers, wide open looks all over the place. I almost chucked my beer when Posey put up a brick wide open from three point land. Like I said, the Lakers defense is not making the Celtics miss shots. I don't see highly contested shots, or defensive stops from the lakers much. Every shot I saw in the first half of that game, was a wide open look - (pretty much). On the flip side, the Celtics came back, because the O woke up, and they made stops on the defensive side of the ball. The Celtics can consistantly make stops, and the Lakers can't.
Did you see the lakers defense in the second half, getting shredded at will by the Celtics? I'm sorry, but the Celtics are outplaying the Lakers when it matters, and they are doing it with a rash of injuries. Shit, the celtics where missing shots in the final minutes of the game, and they still won by six. Alen broke Sashas ankles, and every single laker was crying like a baby. I sweat, every single foul = lakers players crying. when the Celtics went smaller, and had a bunch of shooters on the floor, and KG on the block the Lakers couldent stop them.
The lakers are a very good team, and they are not out of it, but one of the next three games will be a complete game by the Celtics, and it will be over for the Lakers, IMO. Hopefully it ends in the next two games, the Celtics are wearing down.
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bwahahahahahaahahahahahahaha this is almost as good as this year's superbowl. ;D
Stop putting Jordan on a pedestal, Magic or Bird wouldn't let it happen either. Jordan was extremely fortunate to have never had to play great teams in the finals, thanx to dilution.
And over the hill Magic and Bird were fortunate that they didn't have to play at his peak...Or else he would have been raining threes, giving clinics on the fade away jumper...
Yeah, Kobe did well, but it's hard to not have such a dominate big man such as Shaq, Penny Hardaway learn this as well. And he was a excellent ball handler.
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Fuck it, i'll just say it..Without Shaq i dont think kobe can get a championship..they blew a lead and he got shutdown..down 3-1, mentally he will be scarred for the whole summer..as for comparisons to Jordan, forget it, his 29 now this is kobe at his best...
Sorry beach bum, your team choked worse then any team in NBA finals history..Jordan would of never let that happen.
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I don't think they choked. I think they just got outplayed by a better team. I really thought the Lakers would take all three in L.A. But Boston showed in the second half that at this point they are a better team than the Lakers. As much as I hate Boston, I have to say "props to the Celtics."
I really wasn't all that upset after the game, because as a basketball fan it was a beautiful thing to watch. I am the world's biggest Kobe fan, but Paul Pierce shut him down in the second half. Completely took him out of his game, starting with blocking his shot. That was the difference in the game more than anything.
It was sort like having a bad dream where you can't wake up. :)
I think Bynum will give us the presence we need in the middle next year. (The Pau "Gasoft" comment was really funny. :))
Anywho, I think this series is in the refrigerator. The door is closed, the lights are out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's gettin hard and the Jellooooo's jiggling. :'(
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Anywho, I think this series is in the refrigerator. The door is closed, the lights are out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's gettin hard and the Jellooooo's jiggling. :'(
finally, a smart laker fan!..
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I don't think they choked. I think they just got outplayed by a better team.
I think LA is a better team than Boston top to bottom but, the better team doesn't always win.
That's how LA beat my Spurs ;D
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I think LA is a better team than Boston top to bottom but, the better team doesn't always win.
That's how LA beat my Spurs ;D
I thought the Lakers were better top to bottom coming into the series and they were clearly playing better basketball, but that is not how it looks now.
Now I have to spend part of Father's Day watching my Lakers get drubbed out of the playoffs on their home court. :'(
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I thought the Lakers were better top to bottom coming into the series and they were clearly playing better basketball, but that is not how it looks now.
Now I have to spend part of Father's Day watching my Lakers get drubbed out of the playoffs on their home court. :'(
What's funny, or not, is that the way Boston was playing in the first two rounds, They would have been eliminated in the West. Then they got hot against Detroit and are about to win the Championship. Timing has a lot to do with it sometimes.
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What's funny, or not, is that the way Boston was playing in the first two rounds, They would have been eliminated in the West. Then they got hot against Detroit and are about to win the Championship. Timing has a lot to do with it sometimes.
Sure does. That's partly why I don't bet. I would have put money on the Lakers or Spurs beating Boston in the Finals after watching the first two rounds.
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Having watched the Celtics all year, I knew they could beat both the lakers and the spurs. They did get hot at the right time, and it looks like it's going to pay off - ( crosses fingers). No idea why they played the way they did vs the hawks - (at times)... That said, if they win this, I will have seen 7 championships in the last 10 years, crazy.
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I think LA is a better team than Boston top to bottom but, the better team doesn't always win.
That's how LA beat my Spurs ;D
i think the nba is the only sport where the better team always wins
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LA is not a better team than Boston. Lets not forget that Boston has been winning, after having played five more games, and having key starters hurt. Peirce, Perkins and Rondo all have injuries. It has been proven that Bostons starting eight, and thier bench are more talented. Boston can, and has, rode thier bench for extended periods of time. Even won games with them. On the flipside, whenever Jackson tries to ride his bench ( like he did vs the spurs), the lakers start getting mashed.
I guess you could say on paper the lakers seem more talented, but when it counts, Boston has proven they have it.
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Defence Defence Defence
LAKERS :)
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a squeaker!
I'll take it.
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i know how you laker fans feel, i felt the same when my pens squeaked out a win in game 5 against the wings
like my pens, the lakers ae just delaying the inevitable :-\
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i know how you laker fans feel, i felt the same when my pens squeaked out a win in game 5 against the wings
like my pens, the lakers ae just delaying the inevitable :-\
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AWWWWW. Boo Hoo Hoo Laker Hater. See Ya in Bean-Town Beee-at chhh!!!!
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And by the way, anybody who uses Hockey (a third-rate sport) as an analogy in a major sport . . . . well, let me speak to you in your own language . . .Take off . . . 'ehhh . . , To the great white north. You Canuck loser . . . .how dare you besmerch the greatest franchise in all of sports!
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i know how you laker fans feel, i felt the same when my pens squeaked out a win in game 5 against the wings
like my pens, the lakers ae just delaying the inevitable :-\
I'm not so sure.
When you consider that the Lakers have already choked away 3 games in this series and the fact that the Celtics are really dinged up right now (you won't hear their coach making any excuses, though), you have to give the Lakers at least a puncher's chance to force a Game 7.
And if they can do that, then anything can happen, so although it's never been done before in the NBA, if anyone can do it, it's these Lakers.
Would I give Boston the edge going back home? YES.
Do I feel the Lakers *deserve* to win, based on how they've played. NO
But for as crappy as this series has been - and even though people will say that Game 5 was 'good' because it had a close finish, you still have to account for the Lakers blowing such a huge lead - at this point, I reckon I wouldn't mind it going to 7.
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you have to give the Lakers at least a puncher's chance to force a Game 7.
And if they can do that, then anything can happen, so although it's never been done before in the NBA, if anyone can do it, it's these Lakers.
Yep yep yep yep . . . There is only one historical player in this series, (no sorry, not you KG) and he has yet to stand up and be counted/ If you don't think that Kobe is RELISHING the opportunity to win 2 in the road, you don't know HIM.
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Yep yep yep yep . . . There is only one historical player in this series, (no sorry, not you KG) and he has yet to stand up and be counted/ If you don't think that Kobe is RELISHING the opportunity to win 2 in the road, you don't know HIM.
That guy is Paul Peirce. Kobe might be the best player in the world, but Peirce has done far more in this series, and he's hurt. If you don't think Perice is RELISHING the opportunity to win a championship in Boston, you don't know him. Other than his steal last night, what has Kobe done that has been so huge? Peirce was shredding the entire Lakers defense last night!
The Celtics missed Perkins last night, and KG was only allowed to play 17 seconds in the first half. That last foul called on him, was horrible. He could have tied it, and put the Celtics in a position to win, but he had a really tough game last night. Perice was just unstopable, and anyone not named Kobe couldn't defend him. I thought Gasol did a good job last night, and Odem played well also. I have to applaud the Celtics, for not acting like the Laker's, and some of their fans when calls didn't go their way. Kobe is the best player in the world, but he is the biggest CRYBABY I have ever seen. The Celtics should have gotten a lot of calls they didn't get last night, and hopefully it evans out in Boston. But, it's the lakers hosue, so I have no problem with the officiating at all. It's not the reason the Celtics lost, the Lakers played better last night. That said, this series went exactly how I thought it would go, and now it's up the the celts to close it out at home. I think it goes seven games, but I hope i'm wrong.
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And by the way, anybody who uses Hockey (a third-rate sport) as an analogy in a major sport . . . . well, let me speak to you in your own language . . .Take off . . . 'ehhh . . , To the great white north. You Canuck loser . . . .how dare you besmerch the greatest franchise in all of sports!
i'm not a boston fan you moron, i just see now that the celtics will win even though i originally picked the lakers
you're too stupid to understand and keep up with the fast paced action of hockey
and the lakers aren't even the greatest franchise in their own sport
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And if they can do that, then anything can happen, so although it's never been done before in the NBA, if anyone can do it, it's these Lakers.
haha right and when a team is in the same position next year people will say the same about them
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And by the way, anybody who uses Hockey (a third-rate sport) as an analogy in a major sport . . . . well, let me speak to you in your own language . . .Take off . . . 'ehhh . . , To the great white north. You Canuck loser . . . .how dare you besmerch the greatest franchise in all of sports!
BEST FRANCHISES IN SPORTS :
Celtics - 16 titles
Yankees - 26 titles
Pre Cap - Steelers - 4 sb's ( I know they won another one, but that would fall into the cap era)
Post Cap - Patriots - 3 sb's in four years, and the only undefeated 16 game NFL team.
Redwings - Dont know exactly how many titles, but I know it's a lot.
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Good win by the Lakers. Funniest line of the series was when the Lakers went up big in the first half and the play-by-play guy said something like "Boston has the Lakers right where they want them." Turned out to be true. :)
I'm really impressed with Paul Pierce.
Pau Gasoft has continued to do an outstanding job on KG. He has helped make him a non-factor for much of the series.
Kobe disappeared in the second half. After his offensive foul in the third quarter (which was a good call) he pretty much quit trying to get into the paint. But even though he struggled on O, he had 5 steals, including the clincher steal from Pierce followed by a dunk. I'm hopeful he shows up big tomorrow.
That said, it did appear to me that Boston was playing harder than L.A. for much of the game. :-\
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i'm not a boston fan you moron, i just see now that the celtics will win even though i originally picked the lakers
you're too stupid to understand and keep up with the fast paced action of hockey
and the lakers aren't even the greatest franchise in their own sport
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I disagree, they are the greatest franchise in their own sport. The Celts have more titles, but the Lakers have done it over more decades and more titles in the modern era. No offense, but hockey isn't that hard to follow (soccer on skates), it's just boring.
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I disagree, they are the greatest franchise in their own sport. The Celts have more titles, but the Lakers have done it over more decades and more titles in the modern era.
I agree, the Lakes are the greatest in the NBA, them or the Knicks. Knicks havent won recently but still, they are huge to the league and fans. the Lakes have five rings in the 80's?..crazy.
hard to say in the nfl..
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BEST FRANCHISES IN SPORTS :
Celtics - 16 titles
Yankees - 26 titles
Pre Cap - Steelers - 4 sb's ( I know they won another one, but that would fall into the cap era)
Post Cap - Patriots - 3 sb's in four years, and the only undefeated 16 game NFL team.
Redwings - Dont know exactly how many titles, but I know it's a lot.
the wings have the 3rd most cups with 11
i think the maple leafs have 13 or so and the canadiens have about 23
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I disagree, they are the greatest franchise in their own sport. The Celts have more titles, but the Lakers have done it over more decades and more titles in the modern era. No offense, but hockey isn't that hard to follow (soccer on skates), it's just boring.
it doesn't matter if they did it in more decades, the celtics have more overall titles and they will add another one some time this week
hockey is far more exciting than basketball imo, it's not even close and i like basketball
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I disagree, they are the greatest franchise in their own sport. The Celts have more titles, but the Lakers have done it over more decades and more titles in the modern era. No offense, but hockey isn't that hard to follow (soccer on skates), it's just boring.
The Celtics have a hell of a lot more than 16 titles in their history. Most basketball historians agree that the Celtics are the greatest franchise ever. I'm not going to go into why, if you think all the Celtics have is titles, it's not even worth it.
I think the Lakers are a close second, but the Celtics are top dog. If they win title number 17 thier wont even be a question!
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I agree, the Lakes are the greatest in the NBA, them or the Knicks. Knicks havent won recently but still, they are huge to the league and fans. the Lakes have five rings in the 80's?..crazy.
hard to say in the nfl..
Are you going to seriously try to tell me the Knicks are a better franchise than the Celtics, who have 16 NBA titles, and pioneered African American players in the sport? To me that is just laughable, and the oppitomy of blind hate for the Celtics. The laker's maybe, but the Knicks? The celtics rosters read like the whos who of the hall of fame. That said, I can see arguing the Lakers, but thats about it. You might as well tell me the dodgers are better than the yankees.
Btw, this is just my opinion, and is not an attack on you.
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Their not.
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The Celtics have a hell of a lot more than 16 titles in their history. Most basketball historians agree that the Celtics are the greatest franchise ever. I'm not going to go into why, if you think all the Celtics have is titles, it's not even worth it.
It is definitely subject to debate. I give more weight to titles in the modern era with the advent of the salary cap, free agency, more teams in the league. I understand and appreciate the case that could be made for the Celts.
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That guy is Paul Peirce. Kobe might be the best player in the world, but Peirce has done far more in this series, and he's hurt. If you don't think Perice is RELISHING the opportunity to win a championship in Boston, you don't know him. Other than his steal last night, what has Kobe done that has been so huge? Peirce was shredding the entire Lakers defense last night!
The Celtics missed Perkins last night, and KG was only allowed to play 17 seconds in the first half. That last foul called on him, was horrible. He could have tied it, and put the Celtics in a position to win, but he had a really tough game last night. Perice was just unstopable, and anyone not named Kobe couldn't defend him. I thought Gasol did a good job last night, and Odem played well also. I have to applaud the Celtics, for not acting like the Laker's, and some of their fans when calls didn't go their way. Kobe is the best player in the world, but he is the biggest CRYBABY I have ever seen. The Celtics should have gotten a lot of calls they didn't get last night, and hopefully it evans out in Boston. But, it's the lakers hosue, so I have no problem with the officiating at all. It's not the reason the Celtics lost, the Lakers played better last night. That said, this series went exactly how I thought it would go, and now it's up the the celts to close it out at home. I think it goes seven games, but I hope i'm wrong.
I applaud Peirce's MVP caliber performance. But he is not facing a Celts defense which is geared to stopping only one player. It is apples and oranges.
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it doesn't matter if they did it in more decades, the celtics have more overall titles and they will add another one some time this week
hockey is far more exciting than basketball imo, it's not even close and i like basketball
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More decades is rhetoric for we don't have as many titles, so lets try to figure out some other way to explain away the fact we don't have as many titles. The Celtics have a bit more history than the Laker's as well - IMO.
That said, the Lakers are a FANTASTIC franchise and second only to the Celtics. I would list them 1a and 1b honestly.
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More decades is rhetoric for we don't have as many titles, so lets try to figure out some other way to explain away the fact we don't have as many titles. The Celtics have more history than the Laker's as well.
I appreciate your 1a and 1b comment. I can see your point. That being said, I don't consider it rhetoric. I consider it to be a valid consideration, the level of competition (how many teams were in the league when the Celts were on their title runs etc), the challenges franchises now face in order to stay on top. Why has no team repeated since the Lakers three-peat at the beginning of the decade? You can disagree with me fine, but it is worthy of discussion.
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I don't consider it rhetoric. I consider it to be a valid consideration, the level of competition (how many teams were in the league when the Celts were on their title runs), the challenges franchises now face in order to stay on top. Why has no team repeated since the Lakers three-peat at the beginning of the decade? You can disagree with me fine, but it is worthy of discussion.
I know, and I'm glad we are having it. You caught my post before I added the rest of what I had to say. Check it out. Sorry, I'm at work right now.
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I know, and I'm glad we are having it. You caught my post before I added the rest of what I had to say. Check it out. Sorry, I'm at work right now.
Me too. I have respect for what you say in your posts even when we don't see eye to eye. I hope the rest of the series is a classic, no matter who emerges with the title.
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Kobe has not yet played to all the hype he's *still* getting from his jock-riding press corps.
It's almost as if they're begrudgingly giving Paul Pierce his props, despite the fact that he's destroying LA in this series.
Even on the clinching steal last night, Pierce had beaten Kobe who benefitted from a very generous no-call in that situation.
I'm not at all happy with how the Lakers have played these Finals, but I do like their chances to get it to 7.
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Paul Pierce is an amazing player.. Funny how everyone is riding his coatail just now.
He's been one of the best for almost a decade now. I remember back when the Nets went to the finals two years straight.. Back then, Pierce always gave the Nets trouble even though he played on a horrible Celtics team where the only real help he had was Antawn Walker. I rember in one game against NJ Pierce had 2 points in the first half, and 46 in the second half for a total of 48.
The fact that he's so good on both good and bad teams speaks volumes about what kind of athlete he is. Many players average 25ppg playing on crappy teams, but can't do it in the post season. Pierce has shown he can do both. Hats off to this guy.
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Kobe's steal was a foul, he didnt even touch the ball. cant really blame the refs for that though they can only call it in real time obvioulsy.
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I never really watched Pierce play before this series, because Boston sucked so they were hardly ever on nationally televised games.
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I never really watched Pierce play before this series, because Boston sucked so they were hardly ever on nationally televised games.
I knew he was a baller, but didn't expect him to totally own us all series long.
Kobe's steal was a foul, he didnt even touch the ball. cant really blame the refs for that though they can only call it in real time obviously.
He did touch the ball as he poked it away, but that reach-around move is almost always called a foul, even when it's not...and on that play, I believe there was a foul and we're lucky it wasn't called.
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I knew he was a baller, but didn't expect him to totally own us all series long.
He did touch the ball as he poked it away, but that reach-around move is almost always called a foul, even when it's not...and on that play, I believe there was a foul and we're lucky it wasn't called.
I doubt it
Unless you say him torment the Nets and the Knicks for years, you wouldn't know how good he was. ;)
It's just funny to me that people are just now giving him credit(as they should) because I always knew. Weird how these things work out.
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I doubt it
Unless you say him torment the Nets and the Knicks for years, you wouldn't know how good he was. ;)
It's just funny to me that people are just now giving him credit(as they should) because I always knew. Weird how these things work out.
I have been saying Peirce was underrated for years, since he got knifed 11 times at a club in China town.
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I doubt it
Unless you say him torment the Nets and the Knicks for years, you wouldn't know how good he was. ;)
It's just funny to me that people are just now giving him credit(as they should) because I always knew. Weird how these things work out.
I never liked him because he was a KU guy.
That being said, I feel that the media has to give props when due and they've all been very reluctant to talk TRUTHFULLY about Pierce so far this series because of their love affair with Kobe. I'm a Laker fan, but that ticks me off.
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The celtics did there thang!
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(http://armchaircommentary.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/shaq-and-kobe.jpg)
Maybe call Shaq to comeback
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definitely a good decade to be a boston sports fan
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definitely a good decade to be a boston sports fan
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True.... I think Boston sports fans deserve it. So many years of heart ache, and dedication to their teams is paying off. I have seen 3 superbowls, 2 world series, an NBA championship and a few college titles in the last seven years.
It is a great time to be a Boston sports fan, and I am looking forward to many more competitive years.
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Did u see KG's post interview.."guy-motherfucka" hahahahaha love this guy.
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Did u see KG's post interview.."guy-motherfucka" hahahahaha love this guy.
Haha, the guys a beast. Funny story about KG... A friend of mine is was a temp team doctor with the Celtics. I guess KG runs the locker room, and they always request a certain menu of food for the players. This guy tells me, he decided to take a little food from the team table when he thought the Celts where done eating. He had been working all night, and he was starving. Now mind you, this is a former college football player, and he is a pretty big dude.
I guess KG happened to see him eating from his table, and he got in the guys face. He said KG was screaming at him in front of the entire locker room, for daring to touch the teams food. He said that KG was all over him the second he touched the food, and that if anyone dares mess with any players, KG goes off. I guess he runs the locker room with authority, and he can be a dick. Anyway, my friend quit ( because of the incident) , and that was that.
I know a few of the Celtics dancers, so I asked them about KG's intensity - ( because I thought my friend may have been exagerating), and they confirmed that KG is bad ass sob. I bet if they mess up on a dance move, KG slaps them across the teeth with his wang, haha.
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Did u see KG's post interview.."guy-motherfucka" hahahahaha love this guy.
PATHETIC
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N-i-g-g-a and muthafucka....dont edit my words..KG said it.
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N-i-g-g-a and muthafucka....dont edit my words..KG said it.
that is pathetic. the greats wouldnt say that.
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that is pathetic. the greats wouldnt say that.
Are you a Laker fan?
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Not too much props were given to Doc River's coaching. Boston's bench also provided a spark whenever they rested the big three.
What did we find out in this series?
The triangle needs TWO bonafide scoring threats who will not disappear in crunch occasions.
European players are not suited to the physical play of the NBA.
Phil can't win unless he has two superstars.
European players are terrible at defending shooters who use two to three screens.
Defense STILL wins championships.
Pierce has always been great, he has just been hiding under a rock in Boston.
Ray Allen can still light it up.
Bynum was really missed by the Lakers.
No one can defend a good PG on the Lakers.
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Are you a Laker fan?
No. i was pushing for the Celts. just think it speaks about someones character to use those words during a championship moment like that. if KG did say that i mean, i didnt hear it myself. but i dont think Bill Russel or the Cheif would have said that.
regardless though im glad Pierce, Allen, KG, and PJ got their rings.
cant stand Kobe, though he is great offensively.
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No. i was pushing for the Celts. just think it speaks about someones character to use those words during a championship moment like that. if KG did say that i mean, i didnt hear it myself. but i dont think Bill Russel or the Cheif would have said that.
regardless though im glad Pierce, Allen, KG, and PJ got their rings.
cant stand Kobe, though he is great offensively.
give him a break, his was dying to win a championship, and he finally did..Kobe still needs to prove to the world he can get a ring without shaq..
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No. i was pushing for the Celts. just think it speaks about someones character to use those words during a championship moment like that. if KG did say that i mean, i didnt hear it myself. but i dont think Bill Russel or the Cheif would have said that.
regardless though im glad Pierce, Allen, KG, and PJ got their rings.
cant stand Kobe, though he is great offensively.
I know what you are saying, but I gave him a pass because it was such an emotional moment. He made a mistake, and compared to some other athletes, he is a pretty good guy. Does a lot for the community, and cares for his teammates. I know he came off as an idiot, but I think he was happy to prove the haters wrong. If this was a regular issue I would argee with you.
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I know what you are saying, but I gave him a pass because it was such an emotional moment. He made a mistake, and compared to some other athletes, he is a pretty good guy. Does a lot for the community, and cares for his teammates. I know he came off as an idiot, but I think he was happy to prove the haters wrong. If this was a regular issue I would argee with you.
He definitely came across as a team player this year something he couldnt show in Minn. and yeah it was a highly emotional moment for him to say the least, esp. being that he was a Celt and won the champ.
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Props to the Celtics. They were the better team.
I'm proud of my Lakers. Came within two games of a championship. I think they win it all next year with a healthy Bynum.
There is talk of Artest opting out. I think he would be better at the 3 than Odom.
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Props to the Celtics. They were the better team.
I'm proud of my Lakers. Came within two games of a championship. I think they win it all next year with a healthy Bynum.
There is talk of Artest opting out. I think he would be better at the 3 than Odom.
There are rumors that Boston might go after him also...
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There are rumors that Boston might go after him also...
I hope not.
Not sure how Doc would handle a head case. Phil has already shown he can work with them (Rodman).
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Artest to the Celtics? Ain't happening. What position would he play? Pierce already plays the 3 and KG plays the 4. If Artest opts out, he will command 10 million+/year money. I don't see the Celtics paying that kind of money to a bench player/6th man with so much money tied into the big three.
I think Artest goes to the Lakers in exchange for Odom in a package deal. Way better fit with the Lakers.
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I think I read Artest may play for $5 mil a year? Would make sense if he goes to a contender.
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I think I read Artest may play for $5 mil a year? Would make sense if he goes to a contender.
Not a chance in hell he plays for 5 mil/year. He's in the prime of his career at 28 and he'll be looking to cash in on that one last big money contract.
He can still go to the Lakers for 10+ mil/ year. Shit, soft as cookie dough Lamar Odom earns at least 12 million yearly or something ridiculous like that. One salary in exchange for another, Simple as that.
If I were Mitch Kupchak, I'd ask Sacramento what it would take to trade for Artest. His presence would take LA to another level, defensively. The Lakers are a finesse team that got pushed around in the finals. Artest would make a huge difference.
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Not a chance in hell he plays for 5 mil/year. He's in the prime of his career at 28 and he'll be looking to cash in on that one last big money contract.
He can still go to the Lakers for 10+ mil/ year. Shit, soft as cookie dough Lamar Odom earns at least 12 million yearly or something ridiculous like that. One salary in exchange for another, Simple as that.
I'm not certain, but I think that only happens with a trade, because Odom is under contract this year? The Lakers couldn't just trade Odom somewhere else unless they take back salary and they're at the cap already.
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I'm not certain, but I think that only happens with a trade, because Odom is under contract this year? The Lakers couldn't just trade Odom somewhere else unless they take back salary and they're at the cap already.
That's why I said they would have to trade Odom and maybe another player to the Kings in order to land Artest and the potential contract he would command. Artest would have to agree not to opt out prior to the trade. He would opt out after the Lakers land him and sign to a new contract with the Lakers. It would all be pre-arranged, of course.
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Artest said he would never consider playing at a reduced salary for a contender, today in print....
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Artest said he would never consider playing at a reduced salary for a contender, today in print....
YEAH...as a STARTER. For the Celtics, he would come off the bench. Money talks. The guy's in his prime and he wants to get paid while the window is open.
Body88, how can he play for the Celtics? What position? He wouldn't be able to start with Pierce and KG playing at the 3 and 4. Artest coming off the bench?? He would be a lot less effective in that kind of role. Plus, he's too good not to start. The Lakers are a better fit for him. They need his toughness and defense. The Celtics have enough of that on their own.
Just enjoy your championship and stop with the nonsense. ;)
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YEAH...as a STARTER. For the Celtics, he would come off the bench. Money talks. The guy's in his prime and he wants to get paid while the window is open.
Body88, how can he play for the Celtics? What position? He wouldn't be able to start with Pierce and KG playing at the 3 and 4. Artest coming off the bench?? He would be a lot less effective in that kind of role. Plus, he's too good not to start. The Lakers are a better fit for him. They need his toughness and defense. The Celtics have enough of that on their own.
Just enjoy your championship and stop with the nonsense. ;)
No idea how my comment about Artest saying he would never consider a discount to pat for a contender has to do with the Celtics, I never said he would play here for a discount. I'm not the one who said the Celtics might go after Artest, I heard it from the media, and just reported it here.
Posey is going to get paid, so it wont happen, just reporting on what I heard.
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No idea how my comment about Artest saying he would never consider a discount to pat for a contender has to do with the Celtics, I never said he would play here for a discount. I'm not the one who said the Celtics might go after Artest, I heard it from the media, and just reported it here.
Posey is going to get paid, so it wont happen, just reporting on what I heard.
Boston was ranked the worst city for traffic a few years back....its not as bad as LA now -( big dig), but its pretty ridiculous. Takes me 1 hour to drive 4 miles on the highway, back into the city, after work.
Boston is a very historic city, with tons of one ways, and it's not on a grid. I think the fans Atheist is referring to are the transplants, and stars...not to mention, Cali is very laid back. There are a lot of hard core LA fans, but also a large portion of people who have no idea about the history of their great franchise.
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I'm not certain, but I think that only happens with a trade, because Odom is under contract this year? The Lakers couldn't just trade Odom somewhere else unless they take back salary and they're at the cap already.
Odom to Miami for Marion.
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Odom to Miami for Marion.
they are shopping odom, and it has been said that riles always like him. would you guys consider him a bust for where he was drafted? wherever that was.
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Boston was ranked the worst city for traffic a few years back....its not as bad as LA now -( big dig), but its pretty ridiculous. Takes me 1 hour to drive 4 miles on the highway, back into the city, after work.
Boston is a very historic city, with tons of one ways, and it's not on a grid. I think the fans Atheist is referring to are the transplants, and stars...not to mention, Cali is very laid back. There are a lot of hard core LA fans, but also a large portion of people who have no idea about the history of their great franchise.
Ugh. tell me about it. Back in 2001-2002, the highway (by the fleet center) was undergoing construction and it was miserable driving in and out of the city.
I had a buddy who worked in the Prudential building and it was hell getting there sometimes during the day.
Hey Body88--ever go to Avalon nightclub? Saw John Digweed there one night, years ago.
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Odom to Miami for Marion.
That would be a great trade for L.A., but I can't imagine why Miami would do it, unless Marion plans to opt out and walk.
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they are shopping odom, and it has been said that riles always like him. would you guys consider him a bust for where he was drafted? wherever that was.
Yes, I know the group that owned Avalon.... I used to be in the nightclub industry.
The traffic you where talking about was the destruction of the southern artery - ( part of the big dig project).... It was hell on earth, but the results are breathtaking. The new parks on the waterfront are amazing.
Take a vacation out here if you can, stay at the nine zero hotel.
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Yes, I know the group that owned Avalon.... I used to be in the nightclub industry.
The traffic you where talking about was the destruction of the southern artery - ( part of the big dig project).... It was hell on earth, but the results are breathtaking. The new parks on the waterfront are amazing.
Take a vacation out here if you can, stay at the nine zero hotel.
Thanks for the recommendation, chief. Have a good one.
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they are shopping odom, and it has been said that riles always like him. would you guys consider him a bust for where he was drafted? wherever that was.
i had to read that 3 times, i thought it was ODEN..