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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => The Getbiggers Board - The Lounge => Topic started by: Coach is Back! on February 27, 2010, 04:40:44 PM
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This wasn't about you....get over yourself and put down the pipe, this was about a bodybuilding legend Vince Gironda....
I was one of the guys who went to Vince's Gym in North Hollywood. I found a small, poorly equipped gym. On the wall were photos that testified that Gironda was a special guy. He was the trainer to the movie stars and could whip them into shape quickly. I trained there a couple of times. Even had a sip of water like Larry Scott did between some sets. The fountain was in the change room at the back. In 1980 I visited the gym with two of my children. Vince wasn't there so I had to call him. He said it was okay to use the name Vince's Gym for my club in Sydney. I had a look upstairs where he had a simple setup to train women. Too little, too late, I though.
Well, whatever gyms should be the industry has moved past what Joe Gold and Vince Gironda set up in the sixties. They had gyms catering only to male bodybuilders. I realised long ago that the successful clubs had women members. Matter of fact, you want more women than men as members. When you have the proportion more men join.....for some odd reason! So, maybe it was inevitable that the original Golds and Vinces Gyms are no longer with us.
I have a much better gym with heaps better equipment and my gym has never been featured in any bodybuilding magazine. Amazing. Maybe I am on some blacklist or something. No blue stars on Getbig, not an expert on IronAge, no recognition from the magazines that I even designed and built gym equipment.
To read more delusional crap.....
http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php/topic,21933.20.html
If you wanted to compare yourself to someone like Gironda you should have opened a gym in Hollywood and not Austrailia.
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Vince Basile invented Vince Gironda and bodybuilding too ! :)
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Vince Basile invented Vince Gironda and bodybuilding too ! :)
Ha! Made me laugh. I shoulda seen it coming. ;D
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;D
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I especially enjoyed one of basiles' posts regarding his interactions with vince gironda on the next page of that thread...
When I first visited his gym in October 1968 I had just picked up some photos I took of Arnold outside Golds at Venice. I told Vince and he said to get them so he could see. When I did he shouted out, "Here's a guy who keeps photos of guys in his car!" There were several guys gathered around to have a look. Vince enjoyed that remark so much he repeated it but much louder the second time so that the whole gym could hear. My immediate reaction was that this man was indeed an A**hole. We get what we deserve in life and we deserve what we get.
;D
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Everyone thinks they're a legend as the years go by. Sorta like Al Bundy
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Everyone thinks they're a legend as the years go by. Sorta like Al Bundy
AL BUNDY SCORED FOUR TOUCHDOWNS IN ONE GAME!! HE IS A LEGEND.
:D
POLK HIGH
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i like how vince basile compares himself to vince gironda
lord knows if Gironda was still alive, he would spend a fair amount of time arguing with a bisexual black man/flim flam artist on the internet
btw, since Vince ignores me on the internet cuz he's "Better than me" so I can say , hey vince, go fuck your mother
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i like how vince basile compares himself to vince gironda
lord knows if Gironda was still alive, he would spend a fair amount of time arguing with a bisexual black man/flim flam artist on the internet
btw, since Vince ignores me on the internet cuz he's "Better than me" I can say , hey vince, go fuck your mother
OMFG LOL!
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If you wanted to compare yourself to someone like Gironda you should have opened a gym in Hollywood and not Austrailia.
Hey Coach/JME/Joe Local/Joe,
I've trained in Vince Basile's in Sydney... It's fucking brilliant!
I've used the specialist equipment Vince welded together himself; some of it was simply ingenious, and most of it was more effective than anything I've used since the original Nautilus machines.
When I asked Roz if Vince was around so I could introduce myself (we've conversed here and on ironage.us); she told me he wouldn't be in that day but that as a Getbigger I could train for free.
When I finished my workout, not wanting to seem like a freeloader and noticing that Roz wasn't at the reception, I tried to pay for my visit as I left... the trainers at the reception refused my payment while citing a memo stuck to the register "Don't let the Irish guy pay - friend of Vince's".
Joe, have you ever taken the time to build or modify any equipment at YOUR gym? Do you let visiting GetBiggers train for free?
Didn't think so.
Vince is good people, and a credit to this board... you, sir, are neither.
The Luke
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yeah coach you should let random getbiggers do drop ins at your gym for free...i would if i owned a gym...although they would have a very close eye kept on them at all times....bunch of thieving whores lol..i could just picture the threads stated by guys who went to your gym and stole a 5lb wieght or something holding it ransome lol
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Vince Basile's gym website is here at this address. Hate to say it but it makes your gym look like piss, Coach.
In all fairness, Vince Basile and Vince Gironda never got along and Gironda dissed Basile's gym on numerous occasions and make fun of him...sort of like a pre-Getbig era.
http://www.realgym.com.au/
Also here's his high school website Kam High. I'm surprised that this ding a ling played basketball. Only in the era of segregation would he have even been allowed on the team. ;D
http://www.kamhigh.com/Photos.asp?Year=1959&type=Club
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Vince Basile's gym website is here at this address. Hate to say it but it makes your gym look like piss, Coach.
In all fairness, Vince Basile and Vince Gironda never got along and Gironda dissed Basile's gym on numerous occasions and make fun of him...sort of like a pre-Getbig era.
http://www.realgym.com.au/
How can you tell that from the website? The only pic of equipt I see, the place looks empty.
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How can you tell that from the website? The only pic of equipt I see, the place looks empty.
His gym pictures are in his Smugmug photos. Its a pretty large facility from the look of it and from what I understand it has over 400 pieces of exercise equipment so he has to have some room to house all that stuff.
However, Vince has never explained as to how he came to own the gym as it was not originally his. How did he come up with the scratch to buy it???
BTW, nice picture from his high school days. Check out the cheerleading squad. You know there was no black folks there;D
(http://www.kamhigh.com/images/1959/club/image50.jpg)
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His gym pictures are in his Smugmug photos. Its a pretty large facility from the look of it and from what I understand it has over 400 pieces of exercise equipment so he has to have some room to house all that stuff.
So he has no pics on his company website, but on other ones? Thats odd. I saw the description of 400 pieces, seems like he would want to at least include a few pics on the website. Strange.
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So he has no pics on his company website, but on other ones? Thats odd. I saw the description of 400 pieces, seems like he would want to at least include a few pics on the website. Strange.
Honestly, I don't think he even owns it anymore and may have sold it or at least part of it. The front page has two people that definitely are not Vince or Roz and there's no mention of Basile by his full name. Just two pictures. Of course it would have had to been a recent sale as Lee Priest did a seminar in 2008 at the gym and said Basile was running things so who knows. Basile is weird character
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Honestly, I don't think he even owns it anymore and may have sold it or at least part of it. The front page has two people that definitely are not Vince or Roz and there's no mention of Basile by his full name. Just two pictures. Of course it would have had to been a recent sale as Lee Priest did a seminar in 2008 at the gym and said Basile was running things so who knows. Basile is weird character
Biggest understatement in the history of getbig...... ;D
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Vince Basil makes a mean pesto.
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Hey Coach/JME/Joe Local/Joe,
I've trained in Vince Basile's in Sydney... It's fucking brilliant!
I've used the specialist equipment Vince welded together himself; some of it was simply ingenious, and most of it was more effective than anything I've used since the original Nautilus machines.
When I asked Roz if Vince was around so I could introduce myself (we've conversed here and on ironage.us); she told me he wouldn't be in that day but that as a Getbigger I could train for free.
When I finished my workout, not wanting to seem like a freeloader and noticing that Roz wasn't at the reception, I tried to pay for my visit as I left... the trainers at the reception refused my payment while citing a memo stuck to the register "Don't let the Irish guy pay - friend of Vince's".
Joe, have you ever taken the time to build or modify any equipment at YOUR gym? Do you let visiting GetBiggers train for free?
Didn't think so.
Vince is good people, and a credit to this board... you, sir, are neither.
The Luke
1. I never said Vince didn't have a good gym.
2. My gym isn't opened yet.
3. It will not be geared for bodybuilding rather athletes thus there will be very little machines
4. I would have no problem having any getbigger come in for free.
You're comparing apples and oranges!
When my gym opens it will resemble something like this...
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/defrancosgym.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/defrancos2.jpg)
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1. I never said Vince didn't have a good gym.
2. My gym isn't opened yet.
3. It will not be geared for bodybuilding rather athletes thus there will be very little machines
4. I would have no problem having any getbigger come in for free.
You're comparing apples and oranges!
When my gym opens it will resemble something like this...
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/defrancosgym.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/defrancos2.jpg)
Wait a minute, you don't own a gym or training facility?? Then who's facility are you training clients at??? Based on your website, it was assumed that you owned your own facility
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Vince Basile's gym website is here at this address. Hate to say it but it makes your gym look like piss, Coach.
In all fairness, Vince Basile and Vince Gironda never got along and Gironda dissed Basile's gym on numerous occasions and make fun of him...sort of like a pre-Getbig era.
http://www.realgym.com.au/
Also here's his high school website Kam High. I'm surprised that this ding a ling played basketball. Only in the era of segregation would he have even been allowed on the team. ;D
http://www.kamhigh.com/Photos.asp?Year=1959&type=Club
I don't have a gym Vince
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Hey Coach/JME/Joe Local/Joe,
I've trained in Vince Basile's in Sydney... It's fucking brilliant!
I've used the specialist equipment Vince welded together himself; some of it was simply ingenious, and most of it was more effective than anything I've used since the original Nautilus machines.
When I asked Roz if Vince was around so I could introduce myself (we've conversed here and on ironage.us); she told me he wouldn't be in that day but that as a Getbigger I could train for free.
When I finished my workout, not wanting to seem like a freeloader and noticing that Roz wasn't at the reception, I tried to pay for my visit as I left... the trainers at the reception refused my payment while citing a memo stuck to the register "Don't let the Irish guy pay - friend of Vince's".
Joe, have you ever taken the time to build or modify any equipment at YOUR gym? Do you let visiting GetBiggers train for free?
Didn't think so.
Vince is good people, and a credit to this board... you, sir, are neither.
The Luke
i could care less about the whole debate on who hates who and why,,, i just think you made a cool post here luke...
and you made those people there and vince sound like good peeps.
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from what I have seen in pics and shit, the only real gym is that one that Coleman and Branch train at, Metroflex. Dobson didn't fall victim to catering to plastic dumbbell family oriented no chalk bullshit pussy gyms. That gym looks like the real deal. Everything else pales in comparison,...well except Temple gym, that looks awesome.
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I don't have a gym Vince
Yes, I just found that out. So you're just a personal trainer with a large set of tires..... ::)
BTW, if you build your facility like that, it is bound to fail. You won't be able to pay the bills simply training athletes.... ::)
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i could care less about the whole debate on who hates who and why,,, i just think you made a cool post here luke...
and you made those people there and vince sound like good peeps.
did you try his hyperextension benches? really good.
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Thanks for the advice Vince, I made $340k last year training those athletes..how bout you?
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did you try his hyperextension benches? really good.
nah, i'm in ny...
i'm usually a sideline guy who watches the actions when it comes to personal debates... i just think it's cool that most people bash vince b and luke wrote a cool post in his defense, more so think the story is cool because when luke went back to go pay, the person before left that note to refuse cash from him, all that while the owner wasn't there.
again, not taking side and i could care less but i'd just like to recognize class when i see it.
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Thanks for the advice Vince, I made $340k last year training those athletes..how bout you?
I find that hard to believe from a high school graduate. Are you referring to yourself solely or the combination of your collegues. The only person I would think would be making that kind of scratch would be your chiropractor buddy.
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Thanks for the advice Vince, I made $340k last year training those athletes..how bout you?
A thousand dollars a day, 7 days a week, fifty weeks a year... standing behind a bench press counting to ten.
If I say I believe this... will you offer to sell me a bridge?
The Luke
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Looks like I will have to correct a few things posted by Melvin Goodrum. The Op spelled my name wrong. It is Basile with an e.
I still co-own my gym with my ex, Roz, who manages the gym with the help of our children.
I bought the original West Ryde Barbell Club with a $1000 loan from Avco Finance in 1971. They made me put my Mr Canada trophy up as a guarantee! The original gym was 3,500 square feet and today the club is over 20,000 square feet. We had a 30,000 square foot club from 1992 until 2002. I started designing and building gym equipment in 1975 then opened a factory in 1981 to manufacture equipment for other gyms. I rented for several years then bought my own factory to store my engineering machines and spare gym equipment. I still modify machines and do repairs. I haven't built equipment for other gyms since 1985. It wasn't worth my time as I take too long making the equipment and keep improving the designs as I go. Not a formula for success. Also, gym owners would argue about the invoice and make up their own!
We consider that we have a world class gym. We have some equipment that is no where else on this earth such as my biceps-supinator machine. You guys lift weights and go to gyms. Sit down and actually design something that is original and that works. It is a challenge. Then build it so it is smooth, looks okay and that the bodybuilders can't break. Oh, yes, make it so it accommodates tall and short people.
JME bags me but doesn't have a gym. Then he announces he will cater to athletes. Well, that is probably a good business decision but he hasn't got a real gym that bodybuilders will appreciate.
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If you paid attention at the beginning of the year I posted damn near my entire business plan for other trainers on how to make it in this business. You should have been paying attention.Because making 6k a year just is not going to cut it....not even in a 3rd world country....VINCE!
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A thousand dollars a day, 7 days a week, fifty weeks a year... standing behind a bench press counting to ten.
If I say I believe this... will you offer to sell me a bridge?
The Luke
Coach was dissing my PT business out of the blue for no reason yet he never finished college and has no formal certification, diploma or degree whatsoever to even call himself a strength and conditioning coach. He turned a great website that 240 designed into a pile of shit with attaching a NEOEASE wordpress site inside which his babble about fitness which doesn't make since and is filled with profanity.
At least I'm qualified to do my job and I don't lie about my income. There's no personal trainer in the US that's making 340k a year unless he's selling steroids. Even the President of the US's personal trainer doesn't make 340k a year.... ::)
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Here is a shot of some of the heavy duty machines. The standing calf machine in the background has 1000 pound weight stack on it. I have another with 700 pounds. A donkey calf of my design with 500 pounds and two seated calf machines. The lat machines and row have 150 kg weight stacks or 135 kg. That is 330 pounds or 297 pounds. The plates are 5 kg or 11 pounds. I should have stayed with pounds.
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Look at how I built in longevity and function. The pulleys have two ball bearings and are 8 inches in diameter. All handles are stainless steel.
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At least I'm qualified to do my job and I don't lie about my income. There's no personal trainer in the US that's making 340k a year unless he's selling steroids. Even the President of the US's personal trainer doesn't make 340k a year.... ::)
Oh no she didn't!
The Luke
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Look at how I built in longevity and function. The pulleys have two ball bearings and are 8 inches in diameter. All handles are stainless steel.
Sweet gym.
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I find that hard to believe from a high school graduate. Are you referring to yourself solely or the combination of your collegues. The only person I would think would be making that kind of scratch would be your chiropractor buddy.
funny thing is 80% of millionares in this country have no more than a highschool diploma,,, very lil college, if any at all. free market and business is a funny thing. ask any ceo that has no degree what he thinks about college grads... lol good to stick in middle mngmt.
people with degrees feel too entitled to big $. schools not a guarantee, it's a biz themselves in which sales are very important. just prep and training, experience is greater and balls is the greatest. nothing like spending 100k to have someone stand over you to read a book. lol
jme could certainly make that training high profile clients... usually it's a reference biz and like muscle the more you build the easier and more you get.
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If you paid attention at the beginning of the year I posted damn near my entire business plan for other trainers on how to make it in this business. You should have been paying attention.Because making 6k a year just is not going to cut it....not even in a 3rd world country....VINCE!
First off, I did quite well last year, Coach. Second, 2008 had nothing to do with my personal training side of the business.
And no, I did catch your memo and I thought you were full of shit. You talked trash about me and when I responded, you quietly removed my name from your thread and now you decided to open your mouth about Basile when you didn't even take time to research his actual facility. I already knew it was a large facility although I don't like the pink and purple color scheme
Next time, do some research and stop lying about your income, son.
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Melvin, is this you?
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nah, i'm in ny...
i'm usually a sideline guy who watches the actions when it comes to personal debates... i just think it's cool that most people bash vince b and luke wrote a cool post in his defense, more so think the story is cool because when luke went back to go pay, the person before left that note to refuse cash from him, all that while the owner wasn't there.
again, not taking side and i could care less but i'd just like to recognize class when i see it.
agreed.
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Look at how I built in longevity and function. The pulleys have two ball bearings and are 8 inches in diameter. All handles are stainless steel.
very impressive.., owning and operating a biz is enough, fabricating the equip with that is unreal.
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funny thing is 80% of millionares in this country have no more than a highschool diploma,,, very lil college, if any at all. free market and business is a funny thing. ask any ceo that has no degree what he thinks about college grads... lol good to stick in middle mngmt.
people with degrees feel too entitled to big $. schools not a guarantee, it's a biz themselves in which sales are very important. just prep and training, experience is greater and balls is the greatest. nothing like spending 100k to have someone stand over you to read a book. lol
jme could certainly make that training high profile clients... usually it's a reference biz and like muscle the more you build the easier and more you get.
340k a year means he's making 931 dollars a day and this is a 7 day week. On personal training......BULLSHIT!!!
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340k a year means he's making 931 dollars a day and this is a 7 day week. On personal training......BULLSHIT!!!
Trainer to the stars?
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Here is most of our free weight area. I like having this area separate. The women aren't put off by all the grunting and noise. A few train with the boys here.
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340k a year means he's making 931 dollars a day and this is a 7 day week. On personal training......BULLSHIT!!!
It's rare, but in this case I 100% agree with you
he is full of shit
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I built these leg presses in 1987. They are probably the best leg presses ever made. I recently made the bar longer so the lads could put on heaps more weight. You can either sit down or lie down to use these leg presses.
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I built these leg presses in 1987. They are probably the best leg presses ever made. I recently made the bar longer so the lads could put on heaps more weight. You can either sit down or lie down to use these leg presses.
Do you have vertical leg press machine Vince ?.
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It's rare, but in this case I 100% agree with you
he is full of shit
Not only that, his site isn't getting as much love as mine. If he was hot shit then he should have way more traffic than me.
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Cool gym Vince...By the way, has Al Gore ever gotten back to you on your ideas on how to re-create the internet?
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Some of you guys think a guy just has to weld a few pieces together to make gym equipment. Look at my Hack Squat/Calf machine. It took me over 120 hours to design it and 6 months to build it. Most parts that are shiny are polished stainless steel. There is a stainless steel counterweight running on linear bearings at the back to reduce the weight of the sled to 5 kg.
The lads preferred the lower angle. They refuse to believe the machine is the same at the higher angle. I did that because some guys were using 2000 pounds and causing the rails to bend. When the angle is 60 degrees the weight feels like 90% of what it is whereas when it was at 41 degrees a 100 kg weight felt like about 70 kg.
The head rest can be removed then the user can do standing heel raises facing the machine. This was probably the most expensive free weight machine ever installed in a gym.
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340k a year means he's making 931 dollars a day and this is a 7 day week. On personal training......BULLSHIT!!!
stranger things happen,,, and think the sayin goes something like,,, "nothing is easier than to part a fool from his money"
if you look at it on a daily avg., then it doesn't seem right but if you look at it as 30k a month then it makes more sense...
further more by the # of clients. if he has 30 high profile clients that pay 10k a piece for x amount of sessions, then it makes more sense.
quick story that was a article years back.
there was a guy in prison that went thru and got his personal training cert., when he got out he was working out in a gym that had celebs.... he saw ben affleck training with a pt,,, apparently th pt wasnt in great shape,,, the parolee seeing this and who was at the time in very great shape himself,,, approached ben a when the trainer was away and told him if he wanted to get serious training, give him a call, he said he had a client for an hour and would be back... parolee then hid in a closet as not to be seen... an hour later he went back out and was approached by ben a and the rest is history.
point is many in that story,,, sales for any biz is important,,, even if your product is sh!t you can make $$$ conversely u could have a great product and make sh!t if you have poor sales/ad/mrkt. biz has nothing to do with training or certifiactions or qualifications, business is business. you can sell a product for any price, if someone will buy it.
high profile trainers can make $1,000 per session,,, that's a far cry from the $75 at the sport club,,, which is split between the gym and the trainer, lol.
some have packages train for a month, which includes diet,,, phone calls with every meal,,, lol. 10k a month per client,,, 6 month packages... only need a few clients like that and your in that 340k range. again these are avgs.
you have to figure the lows and highs.
again, business is business and it's just as competitive as any sport.
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what did you do to that nautilus double chest machine vince?
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I found it hard to assemble a fucking tv stand...this shit would make me feel like a beta male - I suck at DIY
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361443;image)
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A vertical leg press went out when the 45 degree machines were introduced. The original ones such as the one in Golds Venice ran on wheels. I use linear bearings which are safer, handle more load and are almost frictionless. However, they are expensive plus they require case hardened or induction hardened shafts. I used the latter but had the shafts chromed plated for durability.
The problem with a vertical design is the discomfort of having the blood flow to your head. Also, that design isn't so elegant for women to get in and out of!
A company in Adelaide, Titan, copied my design. Well, Alan Maynard flew me down there and I helped build one and gave them the design. Their lawyer was out of town so I didn't get paid the promised $5000 plus $100 per produced machine. Never did, either. Then people wonder why I don't trust human beings.
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I found it hard to assemble a fucking tv stand...this shit would make me feel like a beta male - I suck at DIY
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361443;image)
Next you will be telling us that you met a guy named Steve who once owned Twinlab and you both decided to move to the South of France...
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Some of you guys think a guy just has to weld a few pieces together to make gym equipment. Look at my Hack Squat/Calf machine. It took me over 120 hours to design it and 6 months to build it. Most parts that are shiny are polished stainless steel. There is a stainless steel counterweight running on linear bearings at the back to reduce the weight of the sled to 5 kg.
The lads preferred the lower angle. They refuse to believe the machine is the same at the higher angle. I did that because some guys were using 2000 pounds and causing the rails to bend. When the angle is 60 degrees the weight feels like 90% of what it is whereas when it was at 41 degrees a 100 kg weight felt like about 70 kg.
The head rest can be removed then the user can do standing heel raises facing the machine. This was probably the most expensive free weight machine ever installed in a gym.
it's cool that there is so much involved, ie , not only functionality but also comfort and like you said,,, "that design isn't so elegant for women to get in and out of" a lot to concern with when designing...
question to you vince,,, do you fab your own components or do you send plans and specs out get them and build?
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Next you will be telling us that you met a guy named Steve who once owned Twinlab and you both decided to move to the South of France...
You know Steve too? I'll tell him you said "Hi"..
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You know Steve too? I'll tell him you said "Hi"..
lol
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Here is the former Nautilus double chest machine. The way the machine was built caused the chains to break. So I fashioned a direct cable drive that seems to work fine. The pec deck part was removed as we have 3 other pec decks in the gym.
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stranger things happen,,, and think the sayin goes something like,,, "nothing is easier than to part a fool from his money"
if you look at it on a daily avg., then it doesn't seem right but if you look at it as 30k a month then it makes more sense...
further more by the # of clients. if he has 30 high profile clients that pay 10k a piece for x amount of sessions, then it makes more sense.
quick story that was a article years back.
there was a guy in prison that went thru and got his personal training cert., when he got out he was working out in a gym that had celebs.... he saw ben affleck training with a pt,,, apparently th pt wasnt in great shape,,, the parolee seeing this and who was at the time in very great shape himself,,, approached ben a when the trainer was away and told him if he wanted to get serious training, give him a call, he said he had a client for an hour and would be back... parolee then hid in a closet as not to be seen... an hour later he went back out and was approached by ben a and the rest is history.
point is many in that story,,, sales for any biz is important,,, even if your product is sh!t you can make $$$ conversely u could have a great product and make sh!t if you have poor sales/ad/mrkt. biz has nothing to do with training or certifiactions or qualifications, business is business. you can sell a product for any price, if someone will buy it.
high profile trainers can make $1,000 per session,,, that's a far cry from the $75 at the sport club,,, which is split between the gym and the trainer, lol.
some have packages train for a month, which includes diet,,, phone calls with every meal,,, lol. 10k a month per client,,, 6 month packages... only need a few clients like that and your in that 340k range. again these are avgs.
you have to figure the lows and highs.
again, business is business and it's just as competitive as any sport.
Must be a bunch of fools. For that kind of money, I would get someone who actually COMPLETED COLLEGE & GOT A DEGREE!!! The only two profile clients he's had was Rampage Jackson and Tito Ortiz and I know they didn't pay 1,000 dollars a session with Joe Blow Marino.
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Here is the former Nautilus double chest machine. The way the machine was built caused the chains to break. So I fashioned a direct cable drive that seems to work fine. The pec deck part was removed as we have 3 other pec decks in the gym.
very cool idea!
handles look way better too the original ones were sucky on those things.
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I design and build just about everything on my equipment. My biceps-supinator was a real challenge to build. I didn't think I knew enough but proceeded and ended up doing a reasonable job. That machine is the most complicated upper body machine ever installed in a gym. Conventional machine that is. Some electronic machines are more complicated. I did have a machinist who did some lathe work for me but he retired. I obtained a patent for this design it the USA, Canada, Gt Britain, Germany and Australia. Cost a fortune but I never made a second machine. A good lesson there. Ingenious designs don't always mean that others will want your machine.
I still have to repaint the machine silver. Otherwise, resident expert Goodrum will complain about the colour.
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Must be a bunch of fools. For that kind of money, I would get someone who actually COMPLETED COLLEGE & GOT A DEGREE!!! The only two profile clients he's had was Rampage Jackson and Tito Ortiz and I know they didn't pay 1,000 dollars a session with Joe Blow Marino.
those are some high profile guys... wonder how many clients he got reffered from them,,, not to mention how many more he can get because of training them.
did they win after he trained them...?
and yeah some people are fools,,, that's whats great about the free market. differents strokes for different folks...
you may care about a degree, some peeps don't care about degree.
college is a biz... it doesn't gurantee nor secure your future, it gives you experience and training in a controlled environment. colleges make it seem very important and make it seem like you will get a great job/career because they are trying to sell you on their school. education and knowledge at it's root is important. so is hustle.
in the business world the most important factors are performance and results, by any means necessary... hence the blind eye turned to by pro sport orgs when it comes to peds, rightfully so.
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I design and build just about everything on my equipment. My biceps-supinator was a real challenge to build. I didn't think I knew enough but proceeded and ended up doing a reasonable job. That machine is the most complicated upper body machine ever installed in a gym. Conventional machine that is. Some electronic machines are more complicated. I did have a machinist who did some lathe work for me but he retired. I obtained a patent for this design it the USA, Canada, Gt Britain, Germany and Australia. Cost a fortune but I never made a second machine. A good lesson there. Ingenious designs don't always mean that others will want your machine.
I still have to repaint the machine silver. Otherwise, resident expert Goodrum will complain about the colour.
A biceps supinator machine??? What an ugly monstrosity. Does anyone even use that thing???
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340,000 pesos is US$26,600 btw... ;)
I don't know...Coach got quiet all of a sudden. He seriously couldn't expect anyone to believe that load of crap
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I don't know...Coach got quiet all of a sudden. He seriously couldn't expect anyone to believe that load of crap
"Rampage Jackson and Tito Ortiz "
so did they win after he trained them vince?
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Here I am using the biceps-supinator machine. The machine allows the user to have a resistance for the supinating or upward twisting function of the biceps as well as the usual rotational function. You can do both simultaneously or separately. You can do one arm at a time as well. There are 9 separate adjustable functions on the machine. It was conceived in 1987, designed in 1991 and built in 2001 and modified several times until 2006 where it has remained. It can deliver absolutely brutal biceps workouts. A pity I tore a biceps muscle in 1978 because I would have used the machine to build my arms bigger than ever.
Sorry for the poor photo quality. It was taken with a flash off the mirror and thus the cloudy appearance. You can see some of the mechanism clearly.
LOL. That buffoon Goodrum is bagging my machine. Well, even the great Arthur Jones was unable to build this machine. It is complicated so I can understand some guys who are engineering challenged to do that.
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Here I am using the biceps-supinator machine. The machine allows the user to have a resistance for the supinating or upward twisting function of the biceps as well as the usual rotational function. You can do both simultaneously or separately. You can do one arm at a time as well. There are 9 separate adjustable functions on the machine. It was conceived in 1987, designed in 1991 and built in 2001 and modified several times until 2006 where it has remained. It can deliver absolutely brutal biceps workouts. A pity I tore a biceps muscle in 1978 because I would have used the machine to build my arms bigger than ever.
Sorry for the poor photo quality. It was taken with a flash off the mirror and thus the cloudy appearance. You can see some of the mechanism clearly.
LOL. That buffoon Goodrum is bagging my machine. Well, even the great Arthur Jones was unable to build this machine. It is complicated so I can understand some guys who are engineering challenged to do that.
I didn't bag your machine. It is a monstrocity of pulleys and etc. What else can you call it
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Here is most of our free weight area. I like having this area separate. The women aren't put off by all the grunting and noise. A few train with the boys here.
Looks like a nice setup.
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Well Vince, I'm at dinner with my family you f**king moron but if you insist I will procede owning your ass when I get home. BTW, this thread wasn't a blast Basils gym, it looks like a fine gym, it was a a thread on him comparing himself to Vince Gironda.JC Goodrum your comprehension is waaay below average!
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"Rampage Jackson and Tito Ortiz "
so did they win after he trained them vince?
Rampage would have won anyway without his help and Tito hasn't even fought yet but he's prob going to get his ass kicked.
Not only that, if Coach was making that kind of money then he could afford to have a facility of his own....
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Well Vince, I'm at dinner with my family you f**king moron but if you insist I will procede owning your ass when I get home. BTW, this thread wasn't a blast Basils gym, it looks like a fine gym, it was a a thread on him comparing himself to Vince Gironda.JC Goodrum your comprehension is waaay below average!
Go back to school and get an education first before messing with me. And stop lying about your income because no one up here is going buy that crap you're shoveling.
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A biceps supinator machine??? What an ugly monstrosity. Does anyone even use that thing???
No offense to Basile but the only thing that machine is missing is a gumball machine that takes nickels...Look at the colors on that thing...Its almost as its been stolen straight out of a kids circus...
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See Vince, your proving your idiocy as we speak, I told you my education in a REAL college and if certs makes fucking difference I have a couple from NASM and NSCA, I also carry $5mil in liability because that's what certain agents require for their clients when they are sent to me. More when I get home, then I will break it down but you seem to think that holding a piece of paper saying "graduate" means something when in this business its RESULTS that counts. Hey Vince, I even had a client at the NFL combines this weekend, how about you?
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See Vince, your proving your idiocy as we speak, I told you my education in a REAL college and if certs makes fucking difference I have a couple from NASM and NSCA, I also carry $5mil in liability because that's what certain agents require for their clients when they are sent to me. More when I get home, then I will break it down but you seem to think that holding a piece of paper saying "graduate" means something when in this business its RESULTS that counts. Hey Vince, I even had a client at the NFL combines this weekend, how about you?
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I design and build just about everything on my equipment. My biceps-supinator was a real challenge to build. I didn't think I knew enough but proceeded and ended up doing a reasonable job. That machine is the most complicated upper body machine ever installed in a gym. Conventional machine that is. Some electronic machines are more complicated. I did have a machinist who did some lathe work for me but he retired. I obtained a patent for this design it the USA, Canada, Gt Britain, Germany and Australia. Cost a fortune but I never made a second machine. A good lesson there. Ingenious designs don't always mean that others will want your machine.
I still have to repaint the machine silver. Otherwise, resident expert Goodrum will complain about the colour.
Got to call you out for inelegance, Vince. How about getting supination resistance by using a variable torsion spring instead of a cable to a stack and all that entails? The rotating resistance bar could be sleeved with another notched section to accommodate the small amount of linear slide required through the client's range of motion, and to make sure it fits everyone. Incorporate a rotational stop which can be pulled out of it's seat against a low resistance spring or by way of a locking pin to allow the client to set the supination resistance by rotating the handle before working.
Btw, your leg press looks like it might want another linear bearing on each side. Do you get problems with it binding or do you find yourself having to replace damaged bearings a lot? It looks like it might have issues if someone is pushing harder with one leg than another.
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See Vince, your proving your idiocy as we speak, I told you my education in a REAL college and if certs makes fucking difference I have a couple from NASM and NSCA, I also carry $5mil in liability because that's what certain agents require for their clients when they are sent to me. More when I get home, then I will break it down but you seem to think that holding a piece of paper saying "graduate" means something when in this business its RESULTS that counts. Hey Vince, I even had a client at the NFL combines this weekend, how about you?
So tell me Joe, with 340k a year..why don't you have your own facility??? See, your little story doesn't make any bit of sense whatsoever.
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See Vince, your proving your idiocy as we speak, I told you my education in a REAL college and if certs makes fucking difference I have a couple from NASM and NSCA, I also carry $5mil in liability because that's what certain agents require for their clients when they are sent to me. More when I get home, then I will break it down but you seem to think that holding a piece of paper saying "graduate" means something when in this business its RESULTS that counts. Hey Vince, I even had a client at the NFL combines this weekend, how about you?
Wow, how about that. 5 million in liability isn't much. A 1,000,000 dollar policy is just 175 a year so you're talking out your ass when it comes to pricing.
340k all from making people flip tractor tires and pushing your truck around...... ::)
Time for me to hit the sack. Thanks for the good laugh Joe....
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This one here is pretty cool, Vince. I like the "potty" feature.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361440;image)
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I dont doubt that bicepe machine is the bomb vince, but in a joking mood if we hit it with 1.21 jigawatts are we going to go back to the future with it
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No of us can be sure how much Coach makes unless he's going to post his tax returns. But this much I can say: I am very familiar with the area that he lives in and that's some rich turf. You sure as hell better be bringing in a healthy 6 figure income to live there.
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Joe Marino made he money the easy way, he inherited it.
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In regard to our always vexing and bothersome Vince Basile, I think when it comes to designing and/or modifying exercise equipment he's a genius. I mean, I think close to Arthur Jones level. I think it pains him deeply that he was never able to get financing to lauch his own equipment our sell his designs to major companies like Cybex or Flex. It's his loss and it's our loss. So much talent confined to a single gym in Australia. If I were a multi-millionaire, or if I were Slacker, I'd definitely contract this cantankerous old geezer to design all or most of my equipment.
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So tell me Joe, with 340k a year..why don't you have your own facility??? See, your little story doesn't make any bit of sense whatsoever.
Well, let me own you once again Vince. Why don't I have my own facility? Because I pretty much have the run in the place I'm at. I pay $1200 per for 3 trainers an office and unlimited clientel. what does that mean Vince? they don't take a percentage, I;m not an employee of the gym(s), we also work out of another gym, most of the teams we train are done at their facilities. Do me a favor Vince, take off the "business seminar" off your site, your're not qualified.
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Joe Marino made he money the easy way, he inherited it.
Really? Who died?
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Well, let me own you once again Vince. Why don't I have my own facility? Because I pretty much have the run in the place I'm at. I pay $1200 per for 3 trainers an office and unlimited clientel. what does that mean Vince? they don't take a percentage, I;m not an employee of the gym(s), we also work out of another gym, most of the teams we train are done at their facilities. Do me a favor Vince, take off the "business seminar" off your site, your're not qualified.
some people don't understand un-necessary overhead...
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Wow, how about that. 5 million in liability isn't much. A 1,000,000 dollar policy is just 175 a year so you're talking out your ass when it comes to pricing.
340k all from making people flip tractor tires and pushing your truck around...... ::)
Time for me to hit the sack. Thanks for the good laugh Joe....
Yes numbnuts, all from tire flipping ::)
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In regard to our always vexing and bothersome Vince Basile, I think when it comes to designing and/or modifying exercise equipment he's a genius. I mean, I think close to Arthur Jones level. I think it pains him deeply that he was never able to get financing to lauch his own equipment our sell his designs to major companies like Cybex or Flex. It's his loss and it's our loss. So much talent confined to a single gym in Australia. If I were a multi-millionaire, or if I were Slacker, I'd definitely contract this cantankerous old geezer to design all or most of my equipment.
In inspiration maybe, but the execution looks to be the product of a lot of determined head scratching when a couple grand to a design engineer would have saved double that in fabrication costs, nevermind the fuckups and headaches. Still, it's nice to see someone making an effort to innovate.
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some people don't understand un-necessary overhead...
Well, one of the reasons why I decided to open my own facility is because (and I've explained this before in case you did not read it) I can open a facility in a warehouse (about .60sqft) with almost the same overhead I can training out of the gym I train from now. The benefits would be I can bring my teams in without pissing off other gym members by being crowded. When I train teams we train about 20 at a time separating JV players from Varsity as an example since they are not as advanced as Varsity athletes. So for example, when I train athletes, we split the times up. Right now it's offseason football, 60 on the roster so we split it 6am, 2pm and 6:30pm for a total of 60 athletes for that day.
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In inspiration maybe, but the execution looks to be the product of a lot of determined head scratching when a couple grand to a design engineer would have saved double that in fabrication costs, nevermind the fuckups and headaches. Still, it's nice to see someone making an effort to innovate.
I don't know. I've know Basile for some years now from IronAge when we use to get along (I think he kind of went off the deep end the last couple of years) but when it comes to bodybuilding and exercise equipment he knows his shit. You don't survive in this industry for a 100 years for nothing. Of course, I can't know for sure because I haven't tried his stuff but I know people that I respect who have and they think his stuff is a work of art. I'm just going by the principles he outlines and it seems sound to me. Just like when I first read about the Nautilus Pullover and how it took the biceps, the weak link, out of the equation and enable a full range of motion with variable resistance. It sounded good on paper but whether it could be achieved is another thing. Then when I used it I thought it was brilliant. Of course most people never use that machine right and pull with their hands in a swinging motion and not drive in with their elbows. Yates consider the pullover to be the foundation of his back routine.
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I don't know. I've know Basile for some years now from IronAge when we use to get along (I think he kind of went off the deep end the last couple of years) but when it comes to bodybuilding and exercise equipment he knows his shit. You don't survive in this industry for a 100 years for nothing. Of course, I can't know for sure because I haven't tried his stuff but I know people that I respect who have and they think his stuff is a work of art. I'm just going by the principles he outlines and it seems sound to me. Just like when I first read about the Nautilus Pullover and how it took the biceps, the weak link, out of the equation and enable a full range of motion with variable resistance. It sounded good on paper but whether it could be achieved is another thing. Then when I used it I thought it was brilliant. Of course most people never use that machine right and pull with their hands in a swinging motion and not drive in with their elbows. Yates consider the pullover to be the foundation of his back routine.
Vince Basile invented the eccentric phase!
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Vince Basile invented the eccentric phase!
Vince Basile invented inventing.
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Vince Basile invented inventing.
In a land before time.
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Vince Basile invented inventing.
THERE IS A GOD.....AND HIS NAME IS VINCE...VINCE BASILE!
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Coach was dissing my PT business out of the blue for no reason yet he never finished college and has no formal certification, diploma or degree whatsoever to even call himself a strength and conditioning coach. He turned a great website that 240 designed into a pile of shit with attaching a NEOEASE wordpress site inside which his babble about fitness which doesn't make since and is filled with profanity.
At least I'm qualified to do my job and I don't lie about my income. There's no personal trainer in the US that's making 340k a year unless he's selling steroids. Even the President of the US's personal trainer doesn't make 340k a year.... ::)
You are not qualified you fucking moron. You have never ever ever proved you have even trained one person. You don't even train at a real gym (if you even train). You said you train out of some community center. There is not a gym in your area that allows you to train people or yourself. you are fucking idiot. Do honestly think anyone on here believes your shit. you do not have one person on any board that supports you. Do you realize you do not belong anywhere. You sure got balls calling out anyone about personal training or anything for that matter. I have told you once and I have told you a million times you are good at two things and two things ONLY, that is sucking the pale white cock of Queer Vissy and taking it in ass on a daily basis. other than those two things you ain't qualified or allowed to say shoit about anything. Got that BOY! Sometimes your meds take over your senses and you perspective where you belong. I hope this helps.......you fucking dipshit.
Now on a lighter subject, Basile's has his shit together with the gym and designing of the equipment. Anyone who says anything to the contrary obviously hasn't been in a real gym and probably likes to work out on those electronic machines and shit. His gym is big and very well equipped. Not many gyms have 400 pieces of equipment especially with most of them built to last a million years like Basile builds his. very heavy duty.
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Did I read right where Vince stated that no trainer in the world makes 340k? Is he serious? No wonder why he's only makes $6k a year, he doesn't believe it can be done and he's charging for "business seminars? LOL!
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Got to call you out for inelegance, Vince. How about getting supination resistance by using a variable torsion spring instead of a cable to a stack and all that entails? The rotating resistance bar could be sleeved with another notched section to accommodate the small amount of linear slide required through the client's range of motion, and to make sure it fits everyone. Incorporate a rotational stop which can be pulled out of it's seat against a low resistance spring or by way of a locking pin to allow the client to set the supination resistance by rotating the handle before working.
Btw, your leg press looks like it might want another linear bearing on each side. Do you get problems with it binding or do you find yourself having to replace damaged bearings a lot? It looks like it might have issues if someone is pushing harder with one leg than another.
The spring resistance for supination was patented long ago. I wanted a more controlled resistance so use smaller plates. 2.5 kg increments. There are always several engineering solutions to any design so it is good that you show some initiative here.
My leg presses have never had to have bearings replaced and some have been around since 1983. I have the original leg press I made and it has the original bearings. Each bearing takes more load than any human can lift. I overengineered this machine heaps because I didn't want anything bending or breaking. The trouble with using linear bearings is the precision required. Titan people in Adelaide needed my help because their standard wasn't high enough. I measured the distance between the shafts of a leg press they installed in Sydney years ago and it was 6 mm difference between the top and bottom. No wonder it had problems. You are working with tolerances of tenths of a millimetre! 4 Thompson Linear bearings for 1 1/2 inch shafts was sufficient.
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I can't believe that Goodrum tries to hijack a thread with my name! That nincompoop has soiled the good name that 'Vince' has in bodybuilding. Vince Gironda, Vince Taylor, Vince Comerford, and so on. The stooge should stick with his real name, Melvin, and retire that Vince G CSN MFT nonsense.
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I can't believe that Goodrum tries to hijack a thread with my name! That nincompoop has soiled the good name that 'Vince' has in bodybuilding. Vince Gironda, Vince Taylor, Vince Comerford, and so on. The stooge should stick with his real name, Melvin, and retire that Vince G CSN MFT nonsense.
Goodrum has soiled many other things too beside his panties. He soiled the black race, the male gender, people with sub 60 IQ, retarded people. morons, imbecile's, clinically insane among many others. He HAS soiled the name "Vince" but that is just one of his (self proclaimed) accomplishments.
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Here is my version of a dip-chin machine. It can accommodate a person up to 210 Kg. That is the largest person who has used it to do chins. Quite an achievement and very safe to use. I have a solid step platform and the machine has quality parts. It is counterbalanced so that what you select on the stack is the exact weight subtracted from your bodyweight. I have a Cybex unit but it is nowhere near as solid nor does it feel as good as this machine. I take a lot of time to get the movement correct. I have seen some manufacturers having the apparatus go straight up and down. Nope, you move outward when you chin to your chest. It was quite the trick to get the mechanism to work and still accommodate tall people. Works with people up to 2 metres tall. That is about 6-6.
I use quality components throughout. Stainless steel is used for all parts that people touch. I selected a standing version because it is safer to use than the kneeling variety which is a bit tricky getting off when dismounting.
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I can't believe that Goodrum tries to hijack a thread with my name! That nincompoop has soiled the good name that 'Vince' has in bodybuilding. Vince Gironda, Vince Taylor, Vince Comerford, and so on. The stooge should stick with his real name, Melvin, and retire that Vince G CSN MFT nonsense.
This is new to me. I always wondered why you called him Melvin.
I will too.
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Goodrum has soiled many other things too beside his panties. He soiled the black race, the male gender, people with sub 60 IQ, retarded people. morons, imbecile's, clinically insane among many others. He HAS soiled the name "Vince" but that is just one of his (self proclaimed) accomplishments.
LMAO!!!!
One thing I like about Melvin is that he brings out some of your best work.
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The spring resistance for supination was patented long ago. I wanted a more controlled resistance so use smaller plates. 2.5 kg increments. There are always several engineering solutions to any design so it is good that you show some initiative here.
My leg presses have never had to have bearings replaced and some have been around since 1983. I have the original leg press I made and it has the original bearings. Each bearing takes more load than any human can lift. I overengineered this machine heaps because I didn't want anything bending or breaking. The trouble with using linear bearings is the precision required. Titan people in Adelaide needed my help because their standard wasn't high enough. I measured the distance between the shafts of a leg press they installed in Sydney years ago and it was 6 mm difference between the top and bottom. No wonder it had problems. You are working with tolerances of tenths of a millimetre! 4 Thompson Linear bearings for 1 1/2 inch shafts was sufficient.
I've got to hand to you, you old bastard. Pity that most are content with blissful ignorance at so much substandard equipment. You have a goldmine there that most will never see let alone use.
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No offense to Basile but the only thing that machine is missing is a gumball machine that takes nickels...Look at the colors on that thing...Its almost as its been stolen straight out of a kids circus...
looks like it's been modified several times and just painted in red primer where it's been welded.
didn't he say he was gonna paint it silver?
a machine for supination seems a little uncalled for though i have to say...
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The spring resistance for supination was patented long ago.
Oh, I see. ;)
it is good that you show some initiative here.
Thanks Big V.
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vince basilie a man who knows no modesty
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Great Thread. 5 guys all trying to outshout each other. :)
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Here is another view of our main equipment area. The multi station in the foreground has a lying triceps for the women that most gyms, even Golds Venice, doesn't have even one.
This thread is like a good gym. Lots of clanging and banging of dumbbells together.
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I gave Basile's idea that Melvin has soiled the name "Vince" in bodybuilding some thought... I have come to the conclusion that he is entirely correct.
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If you notice the standing triceps extension machines have back rests. One is slanted to provide more resistance in the extended position. I got the idea to build these from the original Vince's Gym in Hollywood. No, Vince didn't have one installed in his gym. He did have a round ceiling support nearby and that gave me the idea to build a machine with one on it so that you can lean against it to remove the body swing many use to complete the movement. People cheat more on triceps than training any other muscle that I can think of.
I am currently modifying a Nautilus leg extension machine to have more of an angle so that the user doesn't lift off the seat when using heavy weights. I am converting it from chain drive to cable drive which should be virtually maintenance free compared to those awful chains. I have a lot of work to do to modify it. I actually enjoy making something new. Some of you guys should see if you can invent something and then build it. Very satisfying. Of course, it is much cheaper to actually go out and buy what you want.
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I gave Basile's idea that Melvin has soiled the name "Vince" in bodybuilding some thought... I have come to the conclusion that he is entirely correct.
I posted just this years ago here and believe it or not, Goodrum actually said he was going to use his real name, Melvin Goodrum, from now on. That didn't last. The guy just can't help himself and gets attention any way he can. That is why he starts up threads about current events or he is first to announce that someone has died. He should go to funerals to pay his respects!
That Goodrum has no shame!
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We shift machines around if we think it gives us a better layout. Here are some biceps machines plus some others. Only my biceps machine is that bright colour.
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We shift machines around if we think it gives us a better layout. Here are some biceps machines plus some others. Only my biceps machine is that bright colour.
How many members do you have and is the place packed during peak hours, Vince?
Also, do any bodybuilders train there?
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Ever since we expanded to the super sized gym we have never been packed. A lesson there for sure. Just because you have a big gym doesn't mean thousands will show up to use it. There is a lot of competition in the gym industry in recent years. Fitness First, RSL clubs, Fernwood, Curves, Swimming pool gyms and even Branson's Virgin Active clubs are in Sydney. The pie is getting smaller every year. Sometimes I wonder if a smaller club is the way to go. Once you go large it is hard to return to the smaller club. I can't go back to being in the gym every day. I would go nuts with the questions people ask.
I had another gym in Sydney years ago and when I closed it I brought all the gym equipment to our main gym and we needed larger premises.
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VINCE B.,
I thought you were just an old man, going senile and talking crap.....wow, I take that back --> your gym is absolutely amazing.....some of that equipment is unreal....super heavy-duty.....you're a very talented person.....well done.....just a super kick-ass gym.......I'm jealous
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It is not often that one gets praised on Getbig! I will accept any that I can get. Anyone who has been around can appreciate a good gym when they see one. We have put a lot back into making ours a world class facility. I can tell you that working in a factory is not the most pleasant of occupations but it is satisfying when I build machines that our members enjoy and use.
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It is not often that one gets praised on Getbig! I will accept any that I can get. Anyone who has been around can appreciate a good gym when they see one. We have put a lot back into making ours a world class facility. I can tell you that working in a factory is not the most pleasant of occupations but it is satisfying when I build machines that our members enjoy and use.
Looks cool old school for sure. Now we have never seen Goodrum's gym have we?
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Also, do any bodybuilders train there?
Yes, we have several bodybuilders who train at our gym. Sometimes I think we would make more money if we didn't cater to them. Ryan Laos won a Mr World contest last year. Natural, of course. Ryan is 6 feet tall and owns his own business.
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6 feet tall and owns his own business.
Fantastic line. Added to online dating profile.
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Looks cool old school for sure. Now we have never seen Goodrum's gym have we?
Goodrum doesn't even go to a gym. Not one gym in his town allows him to train there. Call one of them. He says he trains people at some community center. he will come on here saying how great a business deal it is to train people at the community center. But the fact is he is not allowed at any gym where he lives. Who the fuyck would want someone like that in their gym. He is worthless and full of shit. He is actually an albino that is so full of shit he appears dark.
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Vince...the machines look great..and your gym looks terrific..probably better than the shit i've been to around my neighborhood...but what advantages does your machines have over free weights..and the machines put out by the usual manufacturers...does it build muscle faster? is it safer? more pleasing to the eyes and clientele?
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Hey, Keith, did you call the gym in Sylva? The truth is he probably can't afford to pay the dues and the owners wouldn't want personal trainers using his gym to train clients.
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He is actually an albino that is so full of shit he appears dark.
That is the quote for 2010.
It's only a shame you had to use it so early in the year.
;D
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You need machines to do build your body for todays competitions. Imagine not having a calf machine? Or a lat pulldown?
The biceps-supinator machine allows one to put resistance on the twisting movement of the muscle. That is why it is called a Biceps. It has two parts and they join different bones in the forearm. So using dumbbells involves the supination a bit but not much. If you had long handles and you gripped the dumbbell closer to your thumb then the distant part of the dumbbell would act as more resistance re supination.
Another way of doing dumbbell curls is to do them standing. Hold the dumbbells in a vertical position near your thighs. Now slowly curl them up and before reaching the point where the arm is bent 90 degrees make sure the little fingers are higher than the thumbs. That will supinate the biceps and give you double the tension in the muscle. Well, not quite double, but heaps more than just curling them up without attention to supination. If you supinate above the halfway point then little resistance is provided. The best position to supinate is from 45 degrees before the arms are at right angles.
My biceps-supinator has a separate weight stack that you can use to increase the resistance. When you finish doing curls you can still do several reps twisting the handles and really exhausting the biceps. You can't do this with dumbbells very easily.
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This is my design for a Donkey calf machine. 500 pound weight stack. Lots of adjustments. This is my prototype but it worked well so didn't need much altering to get right. Lots of stainless in the foot assembly. We have 5 separate machines that can be used for calves.
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You need machines to do build your body for todays competitions. Imagine not having a calf machine? Or a lat pulldown?
The biceps-supinator machine allows one to put resistance on the twisting movement of the muscle. That is why it is called a Biceps. It has two parts and they join different bones in the forearm. So using dumbbells involves the supination a bit but not much. If you had long handles and you gripped the dumbbell closer to your thumb then the distant part of the dumbbell would act as more resistance re supination.
Another way of doing dumbbell curls is to do them standing. Hold the dumbbells in a vertical position near your thighs. Now slowly curl them up and before reaching the point where the arm is bent 90 degrees make sure the little fingers are higher than the thumbs. That will supinate the biceps and give you double the tension in the muscle. Well, not quite double, but heaps more than just curling them up without attention to supination. If you supinate above the halfway point then little resistance is provided. The best position to supinate is from 45 degrees before the arms are at right angles.
My biceps-supinator has a separate weight stack that you can use to increase the resistance. When you finish doing curls you can still do several reps twisting the handles and really exhausting the biceps. You can't do this with dumbbells very easily.
You build these Vince?
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I don't build machines for sale. Haven't done so since 1985 when I built equipment for the Fitness Network. I built them two sets of stainless steel dumbbells going up to 60 pounds and one set up to 125 pounds. The dumbbells rotated and the weights were precise. I lost money on that gym so I stopped building equipment for other people.
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I don't build machines for sale. Haven't done so since 1985 when I built equipment for the Fitness Network. I built them two sets of stainless steel dumbbells going up to 60 pounds and one set up to 125 pounds. The dumbbells rotated and the weights were precise. I lost money on that gym so I stopped building equipment for other people.
You sir are Mechanically Inclined. ;)
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i notice vince dodged the members question
place is quieter than vince's local school when he gets his white van out
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Is that supposed to be funny? Only a dickhead would post something offensive like that in a thread where I am posting photos of my gym.
I am amazed at how people stoop to put others down. Like suggesting I am gay. Nope, I like women way too much and am divorced because of it.
Why Ron tolerates people posting that shit about white vans only he knows. I would ban people posting that rubbish completely off any forum I was responsible for.
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Is that supposed to be funny? Only a dickhead would post something offensive like that in a thread where I am posting photos of my gym.
I am amazed at how people stoop to put others down. Like suggesting I am gay. Nope, I like women way too much and am divorced because of it.
Why Ron tolerates people posting that shit about white vans only he knows. I would ban people posting that rubbish completely off any forum I was responsible for.
Focus on the good shit like your bym bro.
I like going to Australia for Shark Diving and Great Surfing but i may check out your Gym. ;)
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i'm having a hard time picturing how the donkey calf machine works...
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i'm having a hard time picturing how the donkey calf machine works...
Kinda why i wanna visit his gym next time i go to Australia... 8)
His Gym is better then the Gold's that i go to. :o
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Fair dinkum people are always welcome at our gym. I don't meet the dickheads because they are civil to me. I am proud of the equipment I have built and encourage others to come and try them out. When you think about it, not many bodybuilders actually design and build their own gym equipment. I give credit to any innovation that makes training more effective. Most of the engineers and designers who make gym equipment are not bodybuilders.
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I'm not ripping on your equipment...i just can't visualize the way it works...i'm used to the normal shit you see in gyms nowadays...
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The seated calf machines that slide at 45 degrees such as Cybex use linear bearings and case hardened shafts which are expensive. Also, the movement in linear and that isn't exactly what the ankles do during heel raises.
You sit on the seat and put your legs straight against the foot pads and do heel raises. The movement goes in a slight arc so you go up a bit as well as backwards. Exactly like you would doing it standing up. You can adjust the angle of the back rest to suit. The movement resembles having someone sit on your back while you bend over in the donkey position. This position puts stretches the calves and puts a lot of tension on the muscle which helps growth.
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got it...looks a lot more comfortable than the traditional donkey raise..or having some jabroni sitting on your back.
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those dumbbells vince talked about are still in use 26 years later at a gold's gym in sydney's center.
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Looks like I will have to correct a few things posted by Melvin Goodrum. The Op spelled my name wrong. It is Basile with an e.
I still co-own my gym with my ex, Roz, who manages the gym with the help of our children.
I bought the original West Ryde Barbell Club with a $1000 loan from Avco Finance in 1971. They made me put my Mr Canada trophy up as a guarantee! The original gym was 3,500 square feet and today the club is over 20,000 square feet. We had a 30,000 square foot club from 1992 until 2002. I started designing and building gym equipment in 1975 then opened a factory in 1981 to manufacture equipment for other gyms. I rented for several years then bought my own factory to store my engineering machines and spare gym equipment. I still modify machines and do repairs. I haven't built equipment for other gyms since 1985. It wasn't worth my time as I take too long making the equipment and keep improving the designs as I go. Not a formula for success. Also, gym owners would argue about the invoice and make up their own!
We consider that we have a world class gym. We have some equipment that is no where else on this earth such as my biceps-supinator machine. You guys lift weights and go to gyms. Sit down and actually design something that is original and that works. It is a challenge. Then build it so it is smooth, looks okay and that the bodybuilders can't break. Oh, yes, make it so it accommodates tall and short people.
JME bags me but doesn't have a gym. Then he announces he will cater to athletes. Well, that is probably a good business decision but he hasn't got a real gym that bodybuilders will appreciate.
Here is a photo of our main equipment room.
Vince, I want to make one thing clear. I started this thread because of you comparing yourself to Vince Gironda, not because of your gym. Your gym is awesome and like someone else on here said, better than most Golds gyms.
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340k a year means he's making 931 dollars a day and this is a 7 day week. On personal training......BULLSHIT!!!
See Vince, this where I do it right and you have no clue. I already told you Vince, I posted most of my business plan at the beginning of the year, you should have been paying attention. For the people who said I was full of shit, I'm quite sure those are the same people who are thinking of the typical "personal trainer" who charges by the session. Try and figure it out from there. Again, you need to think outside the box.
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Hey, Keith, did you call the gym in Sylva? The truth is he probably can't afford to pay the dues and the owners wouldn't want personal trainers using his gym to train clients.
I remember a couple years back or so I called a gym there and talked a couple minutes to someone. All he did was laugh when I mentioned the name Goodrum and said he couldn't say anything about the members. On his website his puts that he trains out of some community center. I can only imagine that no gym would want him anywhere near their business.
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I see Vince G ceased to get anymore involved in this conversation. Mmmm!
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I see Vince G ceased to get anymore involved in this conversation. Mmmm!
He does not belong in threads that concern issues he has NO idea about. He posts shit in threads pretending he has knowledge about and in reality he has none. He gets outed everytime and he leaves.
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Goodrum doesn't even go to a gym. Not one gym in his town allows him to train there. Call one of them. He says he trains people at some community center. he will come on here saying how great a business deal it is to train people at the community center. But the fact is he is not allowed at any gym where he lives. Who the fuyck would want someone like that in their gym. He is worthless and full of shit. He is actually an albino that is so full of shit he appears dark.
Sounds as if he maybe trying to fool people on here or delusional.
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Seriously tho, how come Vince cannot train out of a gym? I do know he does do some in home training but why isn't he allowed in a gym?
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I see Vince G ceased to get anymore involved in this conversation. Mmmm!
I do have a business to run. Besides I could care less to listen to Keith's 600lb jolly ass ramblings he make or Basile giving everyone a tour of his gym. Keith can't come to any gym not because he's banned but because his ass can't fit through any gym's doors.
First off, I can charge more for in home training than I can with a gym without having to deal with paying their cut. Even when I do train at the gym, I still use mostly my own training equipment I bring because that person has most likely already made the rounds on all of that equipment.
Again, Coach, I call bullshit on your 340k a year business solely on training. More likely the combination income of your entire team and partners but most certainly not by yourself so stop trying to take credit where credit ISN'T DUE.
Also, based on your online store...its obvious that you don't know anything about sports nutrition whatsoever with all of those expensive protein based supplements you carry. Nowhere do I see any items that an athlete might actually need such as....hmmm...maybe an electrolyte recovery drink or a high glycemic carbohydrate product. Sports athletes don't need mounds and mounds of protein and your pimping of CMP products only encourages that bullshit.
But one thing I'm glad about is that you're training Tito because I'm hoping for him to get his ass kicked after running his mouth off at Mark Coleman. And with your pitiful excuse for a training routine, that will happen more quickly and that punk bitch will get what's coming to him. After all, he's lost the last 4 fights and he's gotten his ass whooped on multiple occasions by Chuck Lidell.
Tito Ortiz should rename himself the Huntington Bitch Butt Boy because he's destined to get anally f@$ked in the ring so be sure to bring a rape kit and box of tissues for his punk ass. Tell him that while he's pushing your Ford Explorer around.
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Now I got better things to do than waste time with a silly bird like you Joe. Get the needle out of your ass as well as your head.
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I do have a business to run. Besides I could care less to listen to Keith's 600lb jolly ass ramblings he make or Basile giving everyone a tour of his gym. Keith can't come to any gym not because he's banned but because his ass can't fit through any gym's doors.
First off, I can charge more for in home training than I can with a gym without having to deal with paying their cut. Even when I do train at the gym, I still use mostly my own training equipment I bring because that person has most likely already made the rounds on all of that equipment.
Again, Coach, I call bullshit on your 340k a year business solely on training. More likely the combination income of your entire team and partners but most certainly not by yourself so stop trying to take credit where credit ISN'T DUE.
Also, based on your online store...its obvious that you don't know anything about sports nutrition whatsoever with all of those expensive protein based supplements you carry. Nowhere do I see any items that an athlete might actually need such as....hmmm...maybe an electrolyte recovery drink or a high glycemic carbohydrate product. Sports athletes don't need mounds and mounds of protein and your pimping of CMP products only encourages that bullshit.
But one thing I'm glad about is that you're training Tito because I'm hoping for him to get his ass kicked after running his mouth off at Mark Coleman. And with your pitiful excuse for a training routine, that will happen more quickly and that punk bitch will get what's coming to him. After all, he's lost the last 4 fights and he's gotten his ass whooped on multiple occasions by Chuck Lidell.
Tito Ortiz should rename himself the Huntington Bitch Butt Boy because he's destined to get anally f@$ked in the ring so be sure to bring a rape kit and box of tissues for his punk ass. Tell him that while he's pushing your Ford Explorer around.
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Now I got better things to do than waste time with a silly bird like you Joe. Get the needle out of your ass as well as your head.
1. I was asking why YOU are not allowed to train anyone in any gym in your area.
2. I know how in home training works.
3. If you were smart enough to know, figure out or understand how my business makes what it makes solely on training (not including boot camps, strong man camps or speed camps) you might not be racking your brain as much as you are trying to figure it out. I'm not great a business but I know what works.
4. I have trainers who do work for me along with a message therapist and a Chiro (that's additional income)
5. I don't train Tito Ortiz knucklehead, I don't like him, we don't get along....PERIOD!
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1. I was asking why YOU are not allowed to train anyone in any gym in your area.
2. I know how in home training works.
3. If you were smart enough to know, figure out or understand how my business makes what it makes solely on training (not including boot camps, strong man camps or speed camps) you might not be racking your brain as much as you are trying to figure it out. I'm not great a business but I know what works.
4. I have trainers who do work for me along with a message therapist and a Chiro (that's additional income)
5. I don't train Tito Ortiz knucklehead, I don't like him, we don't get along....PERIOD!
If you don't train Tito, why are you pimping him on your videos????
And the question I ASKED is how much do you make SOLELY??? 340k is way too high for one person so I already knew you are referring to the combined efforts of your team, jackass....
And of course can train in any gym in North Carolina. Only a simpleton like you would believe a fat blob like Keith
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You're asking what my personal draw is? I'm not going to tell you my exact draw but let's just say it's six figures.
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Melvin, where Coach lives you better be making a healthy six figures. I'm sure his house payments is more than your income.
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Melvin, where Coach lives you better be making a healthy six figures. I'm sure his house payments is more than your income.
Who asked your wrinkled dried up ass???
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You can bet on that Pellis.
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Who asked your wrinkled dried up ass???
LOL! Melvin. At least I look like I've been in a gym. How you can get up on stage is beyond me. You don't look like you've ever worked out. Wrinkled? Tried burnt match.
Look. An actual vein on the bicep. Better yet, there's even a bicep. And you think you have calves that you are actually trying to sell courses on building calves -- LOL!
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LOL! Melvin. At least I look like I've been in a gym. How you can get up on stage is beyond me. You don't look like you've ever worked out. Wrinkled? Tried burnt match.
Look. An actual vein on the bicep. Better yet, there's even a bicep. And you think you have calves that you are actually trying to sell courses on building calves -- LOL!
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Freaking shredded!!
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pellius a ripped to the bone mofo for sure.
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Freaking shredded!!
Actually, I did put on some water weight since the time I first posted pics. During that time I was doing a lot of surfing not following a strict eating schedule (have to eat every 4 hours or I waste away) and spending a ton of time in the sun. I was pretty sun burnt and depleted at the time and it was a last minute thing but I posted the pics anyway because I didn't want to have to go through another week of getting owned by chaos and Pandea. Also, I'm trying to eat more carbs (actually got that from Vince Basile) because I want to fill out more.
Even my sun burnt depleted look is better than what Melvin has ever achieved.
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If you bulked up you would be afraid to look at yourself in the mirror! Try eating an extra 1000 calories/day for a start. Steal the food if you have to!
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Vince, I want to make one thing clear. I started this thread because of you comparing yourself to Vince Gironda, not because of your gym. Your gym is awesome and like someone else on here said, better than most Golds gyms.
I respect Vince Gironda as a knowledgeable person re bodybuilding both for nutrition and doing exercises effectively. We are very different as individuals and have done different things in our lives but both of us owned gyms for decades.
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LOL! Melvin. At least I look like I've been in a gym. How you can get up on stage is beyond me. You don't look like you've ever worked out. Wrinkled? Tried burnt match.
Look. An actual vein on the bicep. Better yet, there's even a bicep. And you think you have calves that you are actually trying to sell courses on building calves -- LOL!
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I have no idea what you're taking but with having a case of Palumboism, I really don't want to know
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I have no idea what you're taking but with having a case of Palumboism, I really don't want to know
He is saying (and correctly so) that he looks/ed much better than you
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I have no idea what you're taking but with having a case of Palumboism, I really don't want to know
LOL! I know you don't have any idea. That's why you are the most delusional person on this board. I don't know what you see when you look at yourself but it not what everybody else sees. You just look like a typical skinny fat black dude who got the short end of the African genetics.
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Perhaps if Melvin's slow and uneducated sounding southern drawl accompanied his posts we would have a better grasp of the man we are dealing with here.
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LOL! I know you don't have any idea. That's why you are the most delusional person on this board. I don't know what you see when you look at yourself but it not what everybody else sees. You just look like a typical skinny fat black dude who got the short end of the African genetics.
You my friend are a clear example of someone who responds very poorly to the chemicals. Lots of veins, not much meat on dem bones.... ;D Would make a paltry meal even for the homeless Getting all up in front of the camera just to look big but its obvious that you don't have no muscle. Otherwise, you would be doing front double biceps and chest poses. But its clear you're skinny.
BTW, You calf muscle is in the BACK of your leg, not your FRONT. That's your shin
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If you bulked up you would be afraid to look at yourself in the mirror! Try eating an extra 1000 calories/day for a start. Steal the food if you have to!
I might just do that. I've cut back on the Jiu-Jitsu/MMA training. I may compete in a couple of more Jiu-Jitsu/grappling events but then maybe just cut back on some of that rough stuff and just train for fun. I want to focus more on just being strong and healthy. Thing is, in this sport (grappling/wrestling), and Coach will back me on this, conditioning is everything -- EVERYTHING! A bodybuilding training regime ironically doesn't cut it when it comes to athletic performance and functional ability. Still, a bodybuilder, if he doesn't go to the extreme and get ridiculously huge, is light years ahead of the average slob that does nothing.
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I might just do that. I've cut back on the Jiu-Jitsu/MMA training. I may compete in a couple of more Jiu-Jitsu/grappling events but then maybe just cut back on some of that rough stuff and just train for fun. I want to focus more on just being strong and healthy. Thing is, in this sport (grappling/wrestling), and Coach will back me on this, conditioning is everything -- EVERYTHING! A bodybuilding training regime ironically doesn't cut it when it comes to athletic performance and functional ability. Still, a bodybuilder, if he doesn't go to the extreme and get ridiculously huge, is light years ahead of the average slob that does nothing.
Oh shut up....I'm tired of hearing about you wanna-be MMA fighters Bet you have a whole collection of Tap Out shirts..... ;D
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pellius a ripped to the chicken bone mofo for sure.
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You my friend are a clear example of someone who responds very poorly to the chemicals. Lots of veins, not much meat on dem bones.... ;D Would make a paltry meal even for the homeless
BTW, You calf muscle is in the BACK of your leg, not your FRONT. That's your shin
LOL coming from you. I'm sure Basile has pics of you in the exact same position and a side by side comparison shot will show the glaring difference. But why bother? You will still see yourself looking like Serge Nubret no matter if Basile photoshops my bod to look like Mike Mentzer in his prime.
I think the front view of my calf/shin gives you some idea what I have. If they show from the front you can be damn sure there's a lot more hanging in the back. And believe me, there is. In fact, and I mean this seriously, if I had my druthers I'd shave off about a 1/4 inch or 1/2 inch off my calves. They stand out too much and people are constantly commenting on them. I like things to be even all over. You know, like you. Skinny all over with a nice layer of fat to soften things up.
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Now that would be a good contest. Goodrum vs Pellius. We all know who would win.
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I am currently modifying a Nautilus leg extension machine to have more of an angle so that the user doesn't lift off the seat when using heavy weights.
Save your time and money Vince , just put a seatbelt on it.
My $10 cow collar works perfect :D.
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I respect Vince Gironda as a knowledgeable person re bodybuilding both for nutrition and doing exercises effectively. We are very different as individuals and have done different things in our lives but both of us owned gyms for decades.
Gironda was very interesting, looked very muscular even later in life. (no homo)
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Instead of reducing your calves build up your thighs and upper body. You need to gain about 30 pounds. A big guy doesn't have to get in the ring and wrestle anyone to prove he is strong. Forget all that martial arts and weapons and relax and enjoy being in Hawaii.
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Oh shut up....I'm tired of hearing about you wanna-be MMA fighters Bet you have a whole collection of Tap Out shirts..... ;D
I've been doing this before there was MMA and the UFC. Royce Gracie was my first instructor when they first opened their academy in Torrance, CA back in 1991. You have no idea.
And by the way, TapOut founder Mask (RIP) was also one of the original students there and the first company to actually sponser fighters.
Have you ever wondered why you get no respect and every time you post you just get brutally owned?
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Instead of reducing your calves build up your thighs and upper body. You need to gain about 30 pounds. A big guy doesn't have to get in the ring and wrestle anyone to prove he is strong. Forget all that martial arts and weapons and relax and enjoy being in Hawaii.
LOL. I was afraid you were going to say that. But you're right. And it's not like I have a choice unless I want to surgically remove part of my calves.
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Now that would be a good contest. Goodrum vs Pellius. We all know who would win.
It's amazing! You have to wonder what this guy sees when he looks in the mirror. I mean, seriously - THERE'S NOTHING THERE! At the risk of being immodest, people ask me all the time if I work out and what I do to stay in shape. I don't think anyone will ask Melvin if he's a weight lifter because he simply doesn't look like one. How can you see otherwise?
Please Melvin, seriously, so I can understand you. Look at this picture and point out what is it about this particular photo that you think makes you look like someone who has ever worked out let alone think he's a competitive bodybuilder. No joke. I really want to know.
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It's amazing! You have to wonder what this guy sees when he looks in the mirror. I mean, seriously - THERE'S NOTHING THERE! At the risk of being immodest, people ask me all the time if I work out and what I do to stay in shape. I don't think anyone will ask Melvin if he's a weight lifter because he simply doesn't look like one. How can you see otherwise?
Please Melvin, seriously, so I can understand you. Look at this picture and point out what is it about this particular photo that you think makes you look like someone who has ever worked out let alone think he's a competitive bodybuilder. No joke. I really want to know.
Trademark Goodrum calves?
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LOL coming from you. I'm sure Basile has pics of you in the exact same position and a side by side comparison shot will show the glaring difference. But why bother? You will still see yourself looking like Serge Nubret no matter if Basile photoshops my bod to look like Mike Mentzer in his prime.
I think the front view of my calf/shin gives you some idea what I have. If they show from the front you can be damn sure there's a lot more hanging in the back. And believe me, there is. In fact, and I mean this seriously, if I had my druthers I'd shave off about a 1/4 inch or 1/2 inch off my calves. They stand out too much and people are constantly commenting on them. I like things to be even all over. You know, like you. Skinny all over with a nice layer of fat to soften things up.
If you think you're bigger and better than me, then step your ass onstage. You can shove all the needles in your ass but you won't have my muscle mass or my biceps, triceps, back, or quads. Veins aren't muscle.
And no seeing your front shin isn't a calf shot. Let me give you a little example of a calf shot. Nice try posting my carb depletion state pictures but even so, I'm still bigger than you'll ever be. Calves like diamonds and diamonds are forever.
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If you think you're bigger and better than me, then step your ass onstage. You can shove all the needles in your ass but you won't have my muscle mass or my biceps, triceps, back, or quads. Veins aren't muscle.
And no seeing your front shin isn't a calf shot. Let me give you a little example of a calf shot. Nice try posting my carb depletion state pictures but even so, I'm still bigger than you'll ever be.
Why do you continue to torture yourself like this?
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If you think you're bigger and better than me, then step your ass onstage. You can shove all the needles in your ass but you won't have my muscle mass or my biceps, triceps, back, or quads. Veins aren't muscle.
And no seeing your front shin isn't a calf shot. Let me give you a little example of a calf shot. Nice try posting my carb depletion state pictures but even so, I'm still bigger than you'll ever be. Calves like diamonds and diamonds are forever.
Damn Vince cant you clean up the trailer before posting pics?
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Instead of reducing your calves build up your thighs and upper body. You need to gain about 30 pounds. A big guy doesn't have to get in the ring and wrestle anyone to prove he is strong. Forget all that martial arts and weapons and relax and enjoy being in Hawaii.
I don't do it to prove I'm strong. I do it because I love it. I don't know why. There's something combat sports that really awakens my spirit and makes me feel alive. Why else would I have put up with all the injuries and surgeries, one being an umbilical hernia that I even didn't know what it was other than my belly button popped out and it hurt when I put my arms over my head or did leg raises. It's only after about nine months when my gut literally looked like it was going to explode and spill out that I went to a doctor and he told me what it was and got it fixed. Pity, I use to have a very flat stomach. Still, it's better than Melvin who even in contest shape doesn't have a hint of ab development.
But I'm sure when Melvin looks at himself he sees a nice chiseled six pack.
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Why do you continue to torture yourself like this?
Why do you continue to lie. I would slap the taste out of your mouth if I was in front of you when you decided to slander my business for no reason. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait but until then, stay off my sidewalk and mind your own business. I don't care what you make but one's things for sure..there must be a lot of dumb ass that live in Huntington Beach other than yourself.
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Melvin and Vince are equally pathetic. :'(
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If you think you're bigger and better than me, then step your ass onstage. You can shove all the needles in your ass but you won't have my muscle mass or my biceps, triceps, back, or quads. Veins aren't muscle.
And no seeing your front shin isn't a calf shot. Let me give you a little example of a calf shot. Nice try posting my carb depletion state pictures but even so, I'm still bigger than you'll ever be. Calves like diamonds and diamonds are forever.
Dude, you have to be kidding. Just compare the arms, shoulders, chest and abs. If you did a silouette you would see the dramatic difference in the curvature as the roundness of the shoulders and arms aren't even close.
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I don't do it to prove I'm strong. I do it because I love it. I don't know why. There's something combat sports that really awakens my spirit and makes me feel alive. Why else would I have put up with all the injuries and surgeries, one being an umbilical hernia that I even didn't know what it was other than my belly button popped out and it hurt when I put my arms over my head or did leg raises. It's only after about nine months when my gut literally looked like it was going to explode and spill out that I went to a doctor and he told me what it was and got it fixed. Pity, I use to have a very flat stomach. Still, it's better than Melvin who even in contest shape doesn't have a hint of ab development.
But I'm sure when Melvin looks at himself he sees a nice chiseled six pack.
My abs are just fine although I only have 4 abs.
And judging by your physique, its obvious that you're not a drug free lifter but thanks for playing
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Why do you continue to lie. I would slap the taste out of your mouth if I was in front of you when you decided to slander my business for no reason. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait but until then, stay off my sidewalk and mind your own business. I don't care what you make but one's things for sure..there must be a lot of dumb ass that live in Huntington Beach other than yourself.
Oh noooooooo! You even thinking about assaulting Coach. How fuking delusional can you possibly be? Really. I thought you were just an eccentric kook but now I see you are really mentally ill. And nobody -- NOBODY -- can afford to live in Huntington Beach by being a dumb ass.
God I had no idea what a true moron you were.
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Dude, you have to be kidding. Just compare the arms, shoulders, chest and abs. If you did a silouette you would see the dramatic difference in the curvature as the roundness of the shoulders and arms aren't even close.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361532;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321154.0;attach=360947;image)
Try stepping away from the camera a bit instead of having your whole body smashed up against a camera. Or post a picture of your front double biceps... ::)
I'm waiting but I bet you won't put up a shit.
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My abs are just fine although I only have 4 abs.
And judging by your physique, its obvious that you're not a drug free lifter but thanks for playing
First I have no muscle but now it's obvious I take drugs.
OK, I didn't want to say it but you leave me no choice.
It's time to kill yourself.
(http://www.bankruptcylitigationblog.com/250px-Knot-hangmans-noose(1).jpg)
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no surprise to see "smellyass" picking a fight with a soft target like Goodrum and posting his pig titties and Quato gut all over the place. ::)
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First I have no muscle but now it's obvious I take drugs.
OK, I didn't want to say it but you leave me no choice.
It's time to kill yourself.
(http://www.bankruptcylitigationblog.com/250px-Knot-hangmans-noose(1).jpg)
;D
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I think Goodrum has better structure than Pellius but Pellius would beat Goodrum in a BB competition based in his condition .
PS: Dear Goodrum to compete you have to get under 15% bf seriously
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dude manages to have tits and a gut at low bodyfat. phuck low bodyfat, it looks like shit on these "types".
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BTW, in that pic of yours can you please point out, or draw a circle around, what you perceive to be an ab? I'm just a decrepit old fella and my eyes aren't what they use to be.
I don't want to get my camera and do all the resizing and posting thing right now but here's a pic of my arm taken just a few days ago. I sure you have a pic in the exact same positon. Post it side by side and compare and tell me how much more muscle development you have.
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no surprise to see "smellyass" picking a fight with a soft target like Goodrum and posting his pig titties and Quato gut all over the place. ::)
Still waiting for your pic "SusanFitness".
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BTW, in that pic of yours can you please point out, or draw a circle around, what you perceive to be an ab? I'm just a decrepit old fella and my eyes aren't what they use to be.
I don't want to get my camera and do all the resizing and posting thing right now but here's a pic of my arm taken just a few days ago. I sure you have a pic in the exact same positon. Post it side by side and compare and tell me how much more muscle development you have.
Abs are genetic but like I said, never had a problem with them
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If you think you're bigger and better than me, then step your ass onstage. You can shove all the needles in your ass but you won't have my muscle mass or my biceps, triceps, back, or quads. Veins aren't muscle.
And no seeing your front shin isn't a calf shot. Let me give you a little example of a calf shot. Nice try posting my carb depletion state pictures but even so, I'm still bigger than you'll ever be. Calves like diamonds and diamonds are forever.
You fucking moron you think cause you step on stage that makes you a bodybuilder. NOT ONE person considers you a bodybuilder except you. Do you fucking realize that. You are perennial last place finisher. Never ever will you NOT finsih in last place. NEVER. There is not one thing that shows anyone that you have ever lifted a weight. you are a joke. What fucking experimental drugs do you take that make you see so many things that aren't there. You are idiot and always will be. You are in your own fucking retard world and it is really sad cause you waste air, food, water, space, gas, and you are completely a waste of time. As bad as this might sound only because of the "mom" reference, but you should have been aborted. I guess you are celebrating that life long mistake your parents made.
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Abs are genetic but like I said, never had a problem with them
I'm sure SusanFitness will love that.
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dude manages to have tits and a gut at low bodyfat. phuck low bodyfat, it looks like shit on these "types".
Uuuughh....WTF is that shit. My god pellius, you seriously need to stop taking whatever it is. Talk about Palumboism
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Still waiting for your pic "SusanFitness".
haha, well in the meantime I heard Pandae took a shit and wants you clean his ass with your tongue. run along. :D
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BTW, in that pic of yours can you please point out, or draw a circle around, what you perceive to be an ab? I'm just a decrepit old fella and my eyes aren't what they use to be.
I don't want to get my camera and do all the resizing and posting thing right now but here's a pic of my arm taken just a few days ago. I sure you have a pic in the exact same positon. Post it side by side and compare and tell me how much more muscle development you have.
you arm isn't bigger than mine and actually that's a pretty small arm, maybe 14-15inches at most. But thanks for playing
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Uuuughh....WTF is that shit. My god pellius, you seriously need to stop taking whatever it is. Talk about Palumboism
no shit, when he first started posting and got picked on he said he was hiv+ and on gh.
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If you don't train Tito, why are you pimping him on your videos????
And the question I ASKED is how much do you make SOLELY??? 340k is way too high for one person so I already knew you are referring to the combined efforts of your team, jackass....
And of course can train in any gym in North Carolina. Only a simpleton like you would believe a fat blob like Keith
hahahaah no you can't you fucking moron. you are not wanted anywhere. And do you honestly think anyone believes the shit coming out between those inner tubes lips of yours. Do you think we believe anyone woudld let you train them in their house. hahaahah now that is funny
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BTW, SusanFitness, why did you post and immediately delete this posts? You seem to know a lot about the whole Squadfather situation when it happened before you even joined the board. And a lot of hate there for Alex23.
And you still say you are not another Squadfather gimmick?
SusanFitness
Getbig II
Posts: 109
Re: THE OFFICIAL "FREE A23" THREAD !!!!!!!!
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who are the guys who did "far worse" and got let back on? Alex posted peoples personal info all over the site and he hacked it as well. a lot of people found that oats guy funny as hell but he got told to leave or his family would suffer. Alex/Benz was calling his girl's home. that's down to Alex. also don't agree he brings the funny. funny, girly accent maybe.
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no shit, when he first started posting and got picked on he said he was hiv+ and on gh.
Hi Dave. Post up my pic, bitch. :)
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you arm isn't bigger than mine and actually that's a pretty small arm, maybe 14-15inches at most. But thanks for playing
Post a comparison shot. I'm sure you have plenty on hand.
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no shit, when he first started posting and got picked on he said he was hiv+ and on gh.
Find that post.
And why are you avoiding my question?
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haha, well in the meantime I heard Pandae took a shit and wants you clean his ass with your tongue. run along. :D
I see we finally got Goodrum's cocksucking partner Queer Vissy to chime in. Finally Goodrum has a supporter besides the one he has between his ears supporting Vissy's balls.
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Seems to me people have been challenged by legend Goodrum before.
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you arm isn't bigger than mine and actually that's a pretty small arm, maybe 14-15inches at most. But thanks for playing
ah forget it, I am tired from my last posts. Goodrum just kill yourself. It would make everything so much easier.
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I see we finally got Goodrum's cocksucking partner Queer Vissy to chime in. Finally Goodrum has a supporter besides the one he has between his ears supporting Vissy's balls.
hahaha, calm down "Keith". we'll end up with you needing a bypass and then they'll have to bulldoze the bedroom wall to winch you out. ;D
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Hi Dave. Post up my pic, bitch. :)
It's so obvious this is not a woman except Dave going the cross dresser route. Still living the good life in the trailer park, honey?
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Gotta love the way a thread bagging me has ended up being a miniature Getbig business as usual where wannabes try to outdo each other. No one can outdo internet legend Melvin Goodrum!
He never did explain that lump on his trademark calves!
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Hi Dave. Post up my pic, bitch. :)
not that guy but if you insist:
BABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
(http://xenophilius.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/pig-3.jpg)
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hahaha, calm down "Keith". we'll end up with you needing a bypass and then they'll have to bulldoze the bedroom wall to winch you out. ;D
I think Keith just made you wet your panties.
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Serious question as I have been gone for some time now. How much weight has Keith lost? If I am correct he has been dieting for about 2 years and a couple of months now. Does anyone have a link to his new pics? I imagine he is down to about 250 now, maybe lighter.
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Gotta love the way a thread bagging me has ended up being a miniature Getbig business as usual where wannabes try to outdo each other. No one can outdo internet legend Melvin Goodrum!
He never did explain that lump on his trademark calves!
What the fuck is that on his right calf? A big zit or is he trying to do synthol injections?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361546;image)
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I think Keith just made you wet your panties.
haha, you gonna hug Keiths nuts now, phaggot? Good luck finding em. ;D
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I see we finally got Goodrum's cocksucking partner Queer Vissy to chime in. Finally Goodrum has a supporter besides the one he has between his ears supporting Vissy's balls.
Well, Squad/Susan did refer to him as a "soft target."
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I saw the same lump on Jay Cutler's flexed calf when he was in Sydney. Dexter laughed at Jay's explanation. Looks like whatever it is the champs also get it!
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haha, you gonna hug Keiths nuts now, phaggot? Good luck finding em. ;D
Still avoiding the question, coward.
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not that guy but if you insist:
BABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Yup. That reeks of such a lack of self-esteem that it could only come from a trailer park. Hey, Dave? Less than two months to baseball season. You gonna be around for that, fatman? :)
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Good question to Melvin. Does he let his partner post on Getbig to support and defend him?
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Yup. That reeks of such a lack of self-esteem that it could only come from a trailer park. Hey, Dave? Less than two months to baseball season. You gonna be around for that, fatman? :)
At least Dave lives close to what I'm sure is a lovely park so he can prance around in his chiffon skirt hoping to get plugged in the ass by bg trailer park neeegro. Click on link to see his lovely digs.
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Yup. That reeks of such a lack of self-esteem that it could only come from a trailer park. Hey, Dave? Less than two months to baseball season. You gonna be around for that, fatman? :)
Who you picking for the World Series winner St Louis?
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I saw the same lump on Jay Cutler's flexed calf when he was in Sydney. Dexter laughed at Jay's explanation. Looks like whatever it is the champs also get it!
"Champs" LMAO!
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Serious question as I have been gone for some time now. How much weight has Keith lost? If I am correct he has been dieting for about 2 years and a couple of months now. Does anyone have a link to his new pics? I imagine he is down to about 250 now, maybe lighter.
Keep imagining. You and anyone else can see me at Universal Studios in July. And I could be dead for 2 years and I think I would still weigh 250. I haven't been below 300 substantially since 1985. The lowest I have been is 293 on my way down to 275 when I got hurt. But, for someone as accomplished as the people who make fun me I understand. I guess the thing that counts right now is I am in the gym again, training getting stronger losing bodyfat and feeling great. But I am WAY off where I want to be and where I would take photos of myself. unlike Goodrum the delusional moron, I know I look like shit. So I don't waste time or embarrass myself with photos yet. He on the other hand is so fucking delusional he thinks he looks good. Sorry HUGE difference. And I don't go peddle myself off to people by misleading them and try to sell them on myself. My past speaks for itself and has helped me to this day
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Why do you continue to lie. I would slap the taste out of your mouth if I was in front of you when you decided to slander my business for no reason. Unfortunately, I'll have to wait but until then, stay off my sidewalk and mind your own business. I don't care what you make but one's things for sure..there must be a lot of dumb ass that live in Huntington Beach other than yourself.
I didn't slander you're business Vince. Would you like me to repost the article?
BTW, I didn't lie, it's a pretty simple calculation that guarantees my income and my businesses income.
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Good question to Melvin. Does he let his partner post on Getbig to support and defend him?
There are a few on this board that get repeatedly owned whenever they posts: Melvin, Sev and SusanFitness. You wonder why they always support each other.
Answer the question "Susan"? Why won't you post a pic and why did you delete this post considering all that happened before you even registered on the board?
SusanFitness
Getbig II
Posts: 109
Re: THE OFFICIAL "FREE A23" THREAD !!!!!!!!
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who are the guys who did "far worse" and got let back on? Alex posted peoples personal info all over the site and he hacked it as well. a lot of people found that oats guy funny as hell but he got told to leave or his family would suffer. Alex/Benz was calling his girl's home. that's down to Alex. also don't agree he brings the funny. funny, girly accent maybe.
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At least Dave lives close to what I'm sure is a lovely park so he can prance around in his chiffon skirt hoping to get plugged in the ass by bg trailer park neeegro. Click on link to see his lovely digs.
http://www.zabasearch.com/maps/?sname1=DAVID%20MIRZA&sname=DAVID%20%20MIRZA&first=DAVID&last=MIRZA&middle=&state=MO&address=6659%20WINONA%20AVE&city=S
I don't sweat these guys too much. Dave is fat and hides out in his natural habitat - the trailer park; Seva is from Romania and has been taken to the cleaners by Stewart Swerdlow, like the sucker he is... and they both try to 'own' me with pics I've posted myself!? That is FAIL + FAIL + FAIL = FAIL 3
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Keep imagining. You and anyone else can see me at Universal Studios in July. And I could be dead for 2 years and I think I would still weigh 250. I haven't been below 300 substantially since 1985. The lowest I have been is 293 on my way down to 275 when I got hurt. But, for someone as accomplished as the people who make fun me I understand. I guess the thing that counts right now is I am in the gym again, training getting stronger losing bodyfat and feeling great. But I am WAY off where I want to be and where I would take photos of myself. unlike Goodrum the delusional moron, I know I look like shit. So I don't waste time or embarrass myself with photos yet. He on the other hand is so fucking delusional he thinks he looks good. Sorry HUGE difference. And I don't go peddle myself off to people by misleading them and try to sell them on myself. My past speaks for itself and has helped me to this day
Glad to hear you are working out again and living a healthier lifestyle. How much weight have you lost? A few years ago you moved to Vegas and said you were going on a huge diet. How did that go?
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I didn't slander you're business Vince. Would you like me to repost the article?
BTW, I didn't lie, it's a pretty simple calculation that guarantees my income and my businesses income.
I don't how you get the courage to even step outside now that you know this beast would "slap you in the mouth." Like you so aptly said before, "If I only had a nickle...."
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I don't how you get the courage to even step outside now that you know this beast would "slap you in the mouth." Like you so aptly said before, "If I only had a nickle...."
Pellis..I've been married four times, I ain't afraid of shit ;D
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I don't sweat these guys too much. Dave is fat and hides out in his natural habitat - the trailer park; Seva is from Romania and has been taken to the cleaners by Stewart Swerdlow, like the sucker he is... and they both try to 'own' me with pics I've posted myself!? That is FAIL + FAIL + FAIL = FAIL 3
But it's fun bitch slapping and owning these little cowardly tools. At least Melvin and Sev show themselves but all we have is the reflection off a sliding glass door of Squad/Susan with his fat rolling off his side wishing he was as in shape as I am. But for Squad/Susan, why would you need to be in shape now that you're a beta male bottom whose only role is to get on your knees and prop your ass in the air as you are plowed repeatedly by your fellow trailer trash low lifes.
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Pellis..I've been married four times, I ain't afraid of shit ;D
LOL! But still, you've seen Melvin's calves. He even wrote an ebook on it.
http://caliberfitness.com/newsletter/?p=33
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Glad to hear you are working out again and living a healthier lifestyle. How much weight have you lost? A few years ago you moved to Vegas and said you were going on a huge diet. How did that go?
evrytrhing goes great till something happens. I trained for about 4 months straight then got hit with a really bad case of gout in my right ankle. Everything that goes wrong happens in my right leg. Well I was down for the count for awhile. I now have a friend from Hawaii training with me and I go 5 to 6 days a week. Getting my strength back then I start putting in cardio. I am not dieting like I should but I am doing alot better. Not so many carbs especially from bread and cereal. I got a load of protein being to me this week so I can supplement more and eat less. I gave myself till July to get back down to a weight I would feel alot better at. I am pretty much injury free except a week ago or so I actually pinched a nerve in my back handing a guy my card. I blew out my L4 and L5 back in 1983 and at times it goes out. But fine now. I am actually training legs which I never do. As long as I stay healthy i will be fine and I will be where I want in July. By Olympia I will be down even more. Stuntmovie takes me to the gym everyday and has been a great help making sure I get there. I don't go to buffets but maybe once or twice a month thats it. And I do eat alot of just meat. but I do take some cookies and pie. Hard to go cold turkey but working on it. I gotta alot of things great going on in my life now so I figure I better get more serious.
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Squad/SusanFitness always heads for the hills when challenge to show "herself" instead of cowardly hiding behing a keyboard that was so Squaddy's style.
He was royally busted posting under SusanFitness about the whole owning he suffered that drove him off this board forgetting that all this happen before the Susan account was even opened.
SusanFitness
Getbig II
Posts: 109
Re: THE OFFICIAL "FREE A23" THREAD !!!!!!!!
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who are the guys who did "far worse" and got let back on? Alex posted peoples personal info all over the site and he hacked it as well. a lot of people found that oats guy funny as hell but he got told to leave or his family would suffer. Alex/Benz was calling his girl's home. that's down to Alex. also don't agree he brings the funny. funny, girly accent maybe.
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Goodrum has taken on all comers via the internet and won against all challengers. Of course, he got spit on by Derek Anthony and that's a fact. So Melvin is a guy to reckon with on the net but in real life he is a pussy. He would use a weapon instead of engaging in a fight. He claims he came from a ghetto so knows how to use a knife. Let this be a warning to those who think they can say what they like to Melvin.
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hahaha, look at this old queer waiting for the sailors. nice pig titties.
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hahaha, look at this old queer waiting for the sailors. nice pig titties.
You already said that.
So are you going to come out of hiding and post a pic since you think you look so much better? And are you going to answer the question about the deleted post? What are you hiding?
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One thing Keith, Melvin, Derek and Pellius have in common is their photos are filed under 'bodybuilders' on my computer. Handy to do so. Give Goodrum his blue stars because he had enough fortitude to get up on stage in posing costume and compete.
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evrytrhing goes great till something happens. I trained for about 4 months straight then got hit with a really bad case of gout in my right ankle. Everything that goes wrong happens in my right leg. Well I was down for the count for awhile. I now have a friend from Hawaii training with me and I go 5 to 6 days a week. Getting my strength back then I start putting in cardio. I am not dieting like I should but I am doing alot better. Not so many carbs especially from bread and cereal. I got a load of protein being to me this week so I can supplement more and eat less. I gave myself till July to get back down to a weight I would feel alot better at. I am pretty much injury free except a week ago or so I actually pinched a nerve in my back handing a guy my card. I blew out my L4 and L5 back in 1983 and at times it goes out. But fine now. I am actually training legs which I never do. As long as I stay healthy i will be fine and I will be where I want in July. By Olympia I will be down even more. Stuntmovie takes me to the gym everyday and has been a great help making sure I get there. I don't go to buffets but maybe once or twice a month thats it. And I do eat alot of just meat. but I do take some cookies and pie. Hard to go cold turkey but working on it. I gotta alot of things great going on in my life now so I figure I better get more serious.
That's good to hear Keith, glad you have a good friend like Stunt to make sure you go everyday, consistency is key, keep up the good work and stay active. Where are you guys training at? I am going to Vegas at the end of April for a week and while I never train in Vegas, a week is too long to drink all day and all night and not hit a gym. What do you recommend close to the Hard Rock?
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Goodrum has taken on all comers via the internet and won against all challengers. Of course, he got spit on by Derek Anthony and that's a fact. So Melvin is a guy to reckon with on the net but in real life he is a pussy. He would use a weapon instead of engaging in a fight. He claims he came from a ghetto so knows how to use a knife. Let this be a warning to those who think they can say what they like to Melvin.
Good God! Why would a person do this? And who is the other delusional queer? I'm sure this is type that SusanFitness would love to take it in the pooper with.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361554;image)
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brutal African tribal nose with gun barrel nostrils, epic Dumbo ears, chemo haircut, old lady tits with enlarged , pig-teat nipples, fat dick-sucker lips and distended gut.
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One thing Keith, Melvin, Derek and Pellius have in common is their photos are filed under 'bodybuilders' on my computer. Handy to do so. Give Goodrum his blue stars because he had enough fortitude to get up on stage in posing costume and compete.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361556;image)
Well, I can see why he thinks he has better arms than I do. That's quite a bicep peak. LOL
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361541;image)
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Good God! Why would a person do this? And who is the other delusional queer? I'm sure this is type that SusanFitness would love to take it in the pooper with.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361554;image)
Is Billy "Guns" in N.C. Too?
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brutal African tribal nose with gun barrel nostrils, epic Dumbo ears, chemo haircut, old lady tits with enlarged , pig-teat nipples, fat dick-sucker lips and distended gut.
And you look better?
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Goodrum upsets people then they challenge him. That is what happened with Billy Guns. Goodrum had us all going here because he promised he had Muntzer-like conditioning. What a buffoon. He didn't train at all and a supplement company paid his expenses to Vegas to get up on a table and pose with Billy. Goodrum in that soft condition was entertaining. The gals in the background were ROTFLTAO.
Goodrum does accept challenges so Keith and Pellius had better watch out. This guy is the real deal.
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lol leave for the weekend and you guys are still arguing over the same shit omg man ::)
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Goodrum upsets people then they challenge him. That is what happened with Billy Guns. Goodrum had us all going here because he promised he had Muntzer-like conditioning. What a buffoon. He didn't train at all and a supplement company paid his expenses to Vegas to get up on a table and pose with Billy. Goodrum in that soft condition was entertaining. The gals in the background were ROTFLTAO.
Goodrum does accept challenges so Keith and Pellius had better watch out. This guy is the real deal.
So THAT'S Billy Guns! Only in bodybuilding can one carry on indefinitely being so delusional. At least in MMA you can talk all you want but at some point you have to step up and everyone will see you getting knocked out. In bodybuilding these clowns just go on and on with blissful ignorance thinking that they look like someone who actually stepped in a gym.
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brutal African tribal nose with gun barrel nostrils, epic Dumbo ears, chemo haircut, old lady tits with enlarged , pig-teat nipples, fat dick-sucker lips and distended gut.
How come when the subject turns to what you look like you suddenly grow uncomfortably silent? Surely if you can criticize me that must mean you look a lot better. Why so afraid?
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Only in bodybuilding can one carry on indefinitely being so delusional.
true, that includes you though as your physique is fucking repulsive but you keep spamming it into every thread. cue a meltdown response but the point holds.
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true, that includes you though as your physique is fucking repulsive but you keep spamming it into every thread. cue a meltdown response but the point holds.
I think you post way more pics of me than I do. So when are you going to show yourself?
I understand now why Vince Basile thinks everyone should be required to post a pic like they require on the Y board. To many cowards hiding behind a keyboard.
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I think you post way more pics of me than I do. So when are you going to show yourself?
I understand now why Vince Basile thinks everyone should be required to post a pic like they require on the Y board. To many cowards hiding behind a keyboard.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. do you ever stop whining you wrinkled up, pig-nosed, hog-tittied, phaggot. ::)
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true, that includes you though as your physique is fucking repulsive but you keep spamming it into every thread. cue a meltdown response but the point holds.
The point holds? Is that like a mobile house with a double-wide cement base? Or, is the intemporary nature of your house the reason why you, and Seva, the stalking Gypsy, are such internet pals?
/post up my pic, bitch :)
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I think you post way more pics of me than I do. So when are you going to show yourself?
I understand now why Vince Basile thinks everyone should be required to post a pic like they require on the Y board. To many cowards hiding behind a keyboard.
Good rule on the Y board. Smart guys down there for sure.
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waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. do you ever stop whining you wrinkled up, pig-nosed, hog-tittied, phaggot. ::)
Melting down I see.
Still waiting for you to come out of hiding? And explain why you quickly deleted this:
SusanFitness
Getbig II
Posts: 109
Re: THE OFFICIAL "FREE A23" THREAD !!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: Today at 06:32:11 PM » Quote
who are the guys who did "far worse" and got let back on? Alex posted peoples personal info all over the site and he hacked it as well. a lot of people found that oats guy funny as hell but he got told to leave or his family would suffer. Alex/Benz was calling his girl's home. that's down to Alex. also don't agree he brings the funny. funny, girly accent maybe.
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The point holds? Is that like a mobile house with a double-wide cement base? Or, is the intemporary nature of your house the reason why you, and Seva, the stalking Gypsy, are such internet pals?
/post up my pic, bitch :)
LMFAO!
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Bobby bennet in tha house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good rule on the Y board. Smart guys down there for sure.
SusanFitness will never come out of hiding. Just SquadFather xdressing and trying to redeem himself. But this pervert is easily found. And he calls Hawaii a shitty little island with bad weather.
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SusanFitness will never come out of hiding. Just SquadFather xdressing and trying to redeem himself. But this pervert is easily found. And he calls Hawaii a shitty little island with bad weather.
http://www.zabasearch.com/maps/?sname1=DAVID%20MIRZA&sname=DAVID%20%20MIRZA&first=DAVID&last=MIRZA&middle=&state=MO&address=6659%20WINONA%20AVE&city=S
Not my business, but why are you posting his personal details? Keep that shit out, just like you said we ought to leave family members out of all the flaming.
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Not my business, but why are you posting his personal details? Keep that shit out, just like you said we ought to leave family members out of all the flaming.
It's not his family. He lives alone in a little trailer park. That's been posted before.
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Not my business, but why are you posting his personal details? Keep that shit out, just like you said we ought to leave family members out of all the flaming.
I agree with the Oracle, why are you so angry anyway Pellius? Sup Rudeness!?
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Not my business, but why are you posting his personal details? Keep that shit out, just like you said we ought to leave family members out of all the flaming.
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Vince Basil(e) must be pissed that his thread got hijacked. I can imagine him like a baddie on Scooby doo..."I woulda had a thread all about me if it wasn't for those pesky getbiggers"
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I agree with the Oracle, why are you so angry anyway Pellius? Sup Rude!
Dude, I never start shit with anybody. This gimmick came at me first. Same with Goodrum. Same with Slacker. Same with MJK. Notice I leave MJK and Slacker alone once they let up. They were flaming the shit out of MJK last night and even PMed to join in because they know I had a beef with him but I said he did nothing to provoke me. If you read this thread it had nothing to do with SusanFitness but I guess Squad/Susan was in the mood to get owned. So that's what I'm doing.
Don't start shit with me and I won't start shit with you.
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LMFAO!
I like to be original, as you know, but the 'post up my pic, bitch' bit is copyrighted to johnnynoname. Credit, where credit is due, etc. :)
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I like to be original, as you know, but the 'post up my pic, bitch' bit is copyrighted to johnnynoname. Credit, where credit is due, etc. :)
You are a fair and honorable man.
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Dude, I never start shit with anybody. This gimmick came at me first. Same with Goodrum. Same with Slacker. Same with MJK. Notice I leave MJK and Slacker alone once they let up. They were flaming the shit out of MJK last night and even PMed to join in because they know I had a beef with him but I said he did nothing to provoke me. If you read this thread it had nothing to do with SusanFitness but I guess Squad/Susan was in the mood to get owned. So that's what I'm doing.
Don't start shit with me and I won't start shit with you.
Ok, fair enough but when did anyone post your personal details? Btw, other than Goodrum I have no idea who anyone you are talking about is, so I have no clue to what extents they may have gone etc.
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I think SusanTitless is Queer Vissy. Squad did not like Goodrum. Vissy is the ONLY person who would side with Goodrum. It only makes sense.
1. Vissy sucks Goodrum
2. Goodrum sucks Vissy
3. Vissy takes it in the ass from Goodrum''
4. Goodrum takes it in the ass from Vissy
5. They both cum swap with each other
6. Goodrum is probably the ugliest black person anywhere
7. If you saw photos of Vissy he is certainly one pale white (almost clear) little twink
8. Goodrum leather like skin and pillow body with those orangutan arms are perfect for reach arounds
9. Vissy with that almost cum colored skin can play "hide the cum drippings" with Goodrum and get him frustrated
So I think SusanTitless is Vissy.
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Where did I mention SquadFather's family? This has already been posted and was PMed to me. If this cowardly little bitch doesn't have the balls/ovaries to come out in the open then fuck him. You tell me this is not a gimmick when SusanFitness knows so much about what went down with that whole SquadFather/Derek Anthony/Benz/Alex23 shit when the SusanFitness account wasn't even open. GetBig doesn't tolerate liars, phonies and poseurs. This person is not who she/he says she/he is. Just a coward hiding behind a keyboard.
She posted this then immediately deleted it. But chaos caught it. I want to know why it was deleted. What is this bitch hiding?
SusanFitness
Getbig II
Posts: 109
Re: THE OFFICIAL "FREE A23" THREAD !!!!!!!!
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who are the guys who did "far worse" and got let back on? Alex posted peoples personal info all over the site and he hacked it as well. a lot of people found that oats guy funny as hell but he got told to leave or his family would suffer. Alex/Benz was calling his girl's home. that's down to Alex. also don't agree he brings the funny. funny, girly accent maybe.
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Dude, I never start shit with anybody. This gimmick came at me first. Same with Goodrum. Same with Slacker. Same with MJK. Notice I leave MJK and Slacker alone once they let up. They were flaming the shit out of MJK last night and even PMed to join in because they know I had a beef with him but I said he did nothing to provoke me. If you read this thread it had nothing to do with SusanFitness but I guess Squad/Susan was in the mood to get owned. So that's what I'm doing.
Don't start shit with me and I won't start shit with you.
haha, you've been melting down and arguing with people since day one. Pandae, Chaos, Sev, Slacker etc, all you do is post obsessively and stalk them all over the board until they stop responding and you start licking their asses. i don't mind because i think it's laughable a dude as old as you says shit like "they pmed me to join in" and takes it so seriously. it's fucking pathetic. also, you don't "own" shit but a pair of shrivelled up granny tits. posting personal info is weak.
cue another tearful response from Mr hog nips. ;D
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Vince Basil(e) must be pissed that his thread got hijacked. I can imagine him like a baddie on Scooby doo..."I woulda had a thread all about me if it wasn't for those pesky getbiggers"
Lol, he is just happy to be able to talk about his Vince Goodrum, he doesn't care what thread it's in. I can imagine him out with a Sheila(well not really), and spotting an Aborigine and and going on and on about he reminds him of his American buddy Vince, except Vince is way bigger and more business orientated blah blah. The guy is straight obsessed.
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haha, you've been melting down and arguing with people since day one. Pandae, Chaos, Sev, Slacker etc, all you do is post obsessively and stalk them all over the board until they stop responding and you start licking their asses. i don't mind because i think it's laughable a dude as old as you says shit like "they pmed me to join in" and takes it so seriously. it's fucking pathetic. also, you don't "own" shit but a pair of shrivelled up granny tits. posting personal info is weak.
cue another tearful response from Mr hog nips. ;D
Vissy are you sitting there typing with Goodrum in your mouth or the other way around. It is sickening either way but this is Getbig.
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Ok, fair enough but when did anyone post your personal details? Btw, other than Goodrum I have no idea who anyone you are talking about is, so I have no clue to what extents they may have gone etc.
Well, I've pretty much posted mine myself but all right. I'm not familiar with you but you sound reasonable. I will edit all the offending posts.
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Where did I mention SquadFather's family? This has already been posted and was PMed to me. If this cowardly little bitch doesn't have the balls/ovaries to come out in the open then fuck him. You tell me this is not a gimmick when SusanFitness knows so much about what went down with that whole SquadFather/Derek Anthony/Benz/Alex23 shit when the SusanFitness account wasn't even open. GetBig doesn't tolerate liars, phonies and poseurs. This person is not who she/he says she/he is. Just a coward hiding behind a keyboard.
She posted this then immediately deleted it. But chaos caught it. I want to know why it was deleted. What is this bitch hiding?
SusanFitness
Getbig II
Posts: 109
Re: THE OFFICIAL "FREE A23" THREAD !!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: Today at 06:32:11 PM » Quote
who are the guys who did "far worse" and got let back on? Alex posted peoples personal info all over the site and he hacked it as well. a lot of people found that oats guy funny as hell but he got told to leave or his family would suffer. Alex/Benz was calling his girl's home. that's down to Alex. also don't agree he brings the funny. funny, girly accent maybe.
Bro, just calm down mang. It's not worth always going psycho and getting embroiled constantly in the arguments.
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Well, I've pretty much posted mine myself but all right. I'm not familiar with you but you sound reasonable. I will edit all the offending posts.
Fair Dinkum Pellius :)
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On Getbig, asking for someone to post a photo of themselves is like demanding that everyone look great and have won bodybuilding contests. This is the internet and wannabes can shine who know how to piss other people off. No one has to establish that they are great but only that they know how to come out on top on discussion boards. It has never been a level playing field. If Pellius wants peace of mind he will have to stop responding to everyone who posts in his threads or replys to what he says. As has been demonstrated many times all that does is end up in a pissing match that no one wins and never Pellius. Hope this helps.
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LOL! But still, you've seen Melvin's calves. He even wrote an ebook on it.
http://caliberfitness.com/newsletter/?p=33
See, this is exactly what I was saying the article I originally posted.
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haha, you've been melting down and arguing with people since day one. Pandae, Chaos, Sev, Slacker etc, all you do is post obsessively and stalk them all over the board until they stop responding and you start licking their asses. i don't mind because i think it's laughable a dude as old as you says shit like "they pmed me to join in" and takes it so seriously. it's fucking pathetic. also, you don't "own" shit but a pair of shrivelled up granny tits. posting personal info is weak.
cue another tearful response from Mr hog nips. ;D
Um wrong again. I can post the exact posts all the people you mentioned, including you, that started shit with me out of the blue.
I never start anything with you but it was you that came on this board that started shit with me. FACT.
And I own a house on the beach in Hawaii which you will never be able to afford since you have no education. And you are a coward hiding behind a keyboard.
And it is you, fat man, that is melting down.
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So what, Joe Loco is a millionaire and Vince Basile is an engineering genius that has made quite interesting machines in his day, nothing new.
Btw, Great Gym Vince!
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Vissy are you sitting there typing with Goodrum in your mouth or the other way around. It is sickening either way but this is Getbig.
thanks for the mental image. ::) think i just lost my last meal. shame you didn't , might have helped you lose more than those 2 ounces you've managed in 2 1/2 years. :D
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Bro, just calm down mang. It's not worth always going psycho and getting embroiled constantly in the arguments.
This is sport for me. Another imposter gimmick account getting owned.
And as far as getting into arguments. GetBig is a tough crowd. But there's a lot of cowards hiding anonymously behind keyboards talking smack. They start in with me they'r going to get it right back.
Don't start shit with me and I won't start shit with you. Simple.
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Vissy are you sitting there typing with Goodrum in your mouth or the other way around. It is sickening either way but this is Getbig.
Since they are obviously submissive bottoms they have to do that double ended dildo thing where once both are adeqately penetrated and connected butt hole to butt hole then it's all happy ass slapping.
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thanks for the mental image. ::) think i just lost my last meal. shame you didn't , might have helped you lose more than those 2 ounces you've managed in 2 1/2 years. :D
noworries would destroy your creepy pathetic ass.
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This is sport for me. Another imposter gimmick account getting owned.
They start in with me they'r going to get it right back.
Don't start shit with me and I won't start shit with you. Simple.
Well, that is a shitstirrer's dream come true! You will constantly be busy debating with unknown, internet heroes you will never defeat because they are nobodies and have nothing to lose. You waste a lot of time arguing with these gimmicks. At least that gives you something to do.
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Since they are obviously submissive bottoms they have to do that double ended dildo thing where once both are adeqately penetrated and connected butt hole to butt hole then it's all happy ass slapping.
sounds a little too vivid and like you're talking from personal experience there Mr duck-footed phaggot.
nice three post meltdown too. hahaha, this old queer is gonna EXPLODE!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Well, that is a shitstirrer's dream come true! You will constantly be busy debating with unknown, internet heroes you will never defeat because they are nobodies and have nothing to lose. You waste a lot of time arguing with these gimmicks. At least that gives you something to do.
Either that or TV. You're no stranger to internet battles. Keeps the fire in the blood.
But enough of that. I'll admit you're no idiot so please explain to me this Melvin phenomenom. How does a person do this to themselves?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361562;image)
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sounds a little too vivid and like you're talking from personal experience there Mr duck-footed phaggot.
nice three post meltdown too. hahaha, this old queer is gonna EXPLODE!!! ;D ;D ;D
Worst day in Hawaii> Best day in Missouri trailer park. ???
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sounds a little too vivid and like you're talking from personal experience there Mr duck-footed phaggot.
nice three post meltdown too. hahaha, this old queer is gonna EXPLODE!!! ;D ;D ;D
I see you're taking a cue from your internet butt buddy, Sev, and falling back on the now meaningless "meltdown" comeback.
Sign of monster ownage. Time to change your panties.
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Worst day in Hawaii> Best day in Missouri trailer park. ???
brutal ginger hair, lobster skin, beady pissholes-in-the-snow eyes and baggy xtra-small shirt. :D
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Worst day in Hawaii> Best day in Missouri trailer park. ???
Yes, even during a tsunami.
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brutal ginger hair, lobster skin, beady pissholes-in-the-snow eyes and baggy xtra-small shirt. :D
This queer really has a fetish for posting pics of other GetBiggers -- never one of himself. I don't blame him if I looked as horrible as he does.
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brutal ginger hair, lobster skin, beady pissholes-in-the-snow eyes and baggy xtra-small shirt. :D
Dave. Dave. Fat Dave. Dave. You can't 'own' me with a pic I've posted myself. Are you too stupid to realize that? I posted that pic 2-3 years ago. How far down the idiot trail are prepared to go? ::)
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i pity tha foo
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I think some people use Getbig to get whipped and humiliated by the Flotsam who don't disappoint. This is a great place for masochists because there are a lot of frustrated sadists here to accommodate them.
Goodrum is the epitome of every dreamer whoever lifted a weight. He figured it would be easy to get big and win titles. He got pretty big but was smooth. So when he finally cut up a bit his size evaporated a la Michael Arvilla. Big dude in street clothes but not so big on stage and the titles didn't come his way, either.
What Goodrum realized is that if you have absolutely no shame you can survive on Getbig and be an internet hero. Not for anything great but just because you survived all the legendary putdowns but were oblivious that you got tarred and feathered here. Goodrum is the epitome of a nincompoop and buffoon and the main ingredient is being totally unaware that he is anything of the sort. When Melvin is deadly serious explaining things he is the most entertaining. He probably won't win a bodybuilding title but he can still dream of doing so and good for him. At least he still has some goals in his life.
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This queer really has a fetish for posting pics of other GetBiggers -- never one of himself. I don't blame him if I looked as horrible as he does.
funny that you're so quick to talk about "queers" and man-fucking every post when you're the old hairless man living some phaggoty existence alone on an island, unmarried and childless, posting your shaven and disgusting body over and over again.
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I think some people use Getbig to get whipped and humiliated by the Flotsam who don't disappoint. This is a great place for masochists because there are a lot of frustrated sadists here to accommodate them.
Goodrum is the epitome of every dreamer whoever lifted a weight. He figured it would be easy to get big and win titles. He got pretty big but was smooth. So when he finally cut up a bit his size evaporated a la Michael Arvilla. Big dude in street clothes but not so big on stage and the titles didn't come his way, either.
What Goodrum realized is that if you have absolutely no shame you can survive on Getbig and be an internet hero. Not for anything great but just because you survived all the legendary putdowns but were oblivious that you got tarred and feathered here. Goodrum is the epitome of a nincompoop and buffoon and the main ingredient is being totally unaware that he is anything of the sort. When Melvin is deadly serious explaining things he is the most entertaining. He probably won't win a bodybuilding title but he can still dream of doing so and good for him. At least he still has some goals in his life.
You should write a 'War and Peace' sized book about Melvin and get him out of your system, if such a thing as the latter is possible.
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funny that you're so quick to talk about "queers" and man-fucking every post when you're the old hairless man living some phaggoty existence alone on an island, unmarried and childless, posting your shaven and disgusting body over and over again.
Susan. Fitness. ::)
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I think some people use Getbig to get whipped and humiliated by the Flotsam who don't disappoint. This is a great place for masochists because there are a lot of frustrated sadists here to accommodate them.
Goodrum is the epitome of every dreamer whoever lifted a weight. He figured it would be easy to get big and win titles. He got pretty big but was smooth. So when he finally cut up a bit his size evaporated a la Michael Arvilla. Big dude in street clothes but not so big on stage and the titles didn't come his way, either.
What Goodrum realized is that if you have absolutely no shame you can survive on Getbig and be an internet hero. Not for anything great but just because you survived all the legendary putdowns but were oblivious that you got tarred and feathered here. Goodrum is the epitome of a nincompoop and buffoon and the main ingredient is being totally unaware that he is anything of the sort. When Melvin is deadly serious explaining things he is the most entertaining. He probably won't win a bodybuilding title but he can still dream of doing so and good for him. At least he still has some goals in his life.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361569;image)
Holy, fuking crap Vince. That one pic of Melvin made me spit up part of my dinner as I was laughing so hard. How am I going to heed your advice and bulk up when you posting riots like this.
Unbelievable! Un-fuking-believable!
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You should write a 'War and Peace' sized book about Melvin and get him out of your system, if such a thing as the latter is possible.
There should definitely be a "Goodrum studies" unit available at all community colleges across the world.
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funny that you're so quick to talk about "queers" and man-fucking every post when you're the old hairless man living some phaggoty existence alone on an island, unmarried and childless, posting your shaven and disgusting body over and over again.
Um, I believe it is you posting my pics. So why do you keep avoiding the question of what you look like? I mean, you must look so much better - right?
* uncomfortable silence as Squaddy's panties start to get damp *
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So what, Joe Loco is a millionaire and Vince Basile is an engineering genius that has made quite interesting machines in his day, nothing new.
Btw, Great Gym Vince!
LOL...I'm not a millionaire!
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There should definitely be a "Goodrum studies" unit available at all community colleges across the world.
Basile could write the textbook, Onlyme can give out the lectures and Melvin can sell it online & offline using his marketing savvy.
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Well, in fairness to Melvin Goodrum he is a pretty big bloke there. Arms are big. And long. Must be hard to build big arms when they have a reach like that. So he is a bit smooth but looks big in street clothes. Trouble is all that smack talk made Goodrum post his photo and the howls haven't ceased since which puzzles hapless Melvin who is convinced he looks great when he looks in a mirror. All the advice in the world won't change him one iota because he already is a self-professed world authority on all matters relating to bodybuilding, gyms, supplements, nutrition and business. The guy is an astute individual who is street smart and knows how to deal with other dudes like himself.
He definitely proves that in life you get what you deserve and you deserve what you get!
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You know, Melvin boasted that he was related to a professional bodybuilder. Anyone else see that he looks a bit like Shawn Ray? Shawn probably threatened Melvin never to mention that they are related!
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Well, in fairness to Melvin Goodrum he is a pretty big bloke there. Arms are big. And long. Must be hard to build big arms when they have a reach like that. So he is a bit smooth but looks big in street clothes. Trouble is all that smack talk made Goodrum post his photo and the howls haven't ceased since which puzzles hapless Melvin who is convinced he looks great when he looks in a mirror. All the advice in the world won't change him one iota because he already is a self-professed world authority on all matters relating to bodybuilding, gyms, supplements, nutrition and business. The guy is an astute individual who is street smart and knows how to deal with other dudes like himself.
He definitely proves that in life you get what you deserve and you deserve what you get!
I haven't really followed and was familiar with the whole Melvin saga until now and actually felt sorry for the "bloke" previously because he always, always gets flamed whenever he posts. Now I know why. What I can't explain is how someone can be so delusional. It's one thing to lie to others it's quite another to lie to yourself.
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Basile could write the textbook, Onlyme can give out the lectures and Melvin can sell it online & offline using his marketing savvy.
;D
Melvin could teach students in their own homes for the one time only price of $36.67 and all students who call now will receive complimentary bee-pollen... completely free!
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brutal ginger hair, lobster skin, beady pissholes-in-the-snow eyes and baggy xtra-small shirt. :D
Yep, that definitely sounds like a newb and a "Susan" talking. That and calling Lori/RipItUp sexy.
All girl here.
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Dude, you could have at least taken your belongings home with you ;D
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A repeat of the referred article...........
"The Business"
Alwyn Cosgrove and Jason Ferruggia
By Alwyn Cosgrove and Jason Ferruggia
For www.EliteFTS.com
Published courtesy of Jason Ferruggia and Alwyn Cosgrove
This article was written in response to a trend that both Jay and I experienced. We were getting approached by trainers asking us for business advice and how to "jump the ladder, get out of the trenches and avoid training clients for a long time".
We are all for helping motivated individuals fast-track their career, but the fact that a trainer is asking how to avoid training people, didn't sit well with us. We all get started in this industry through our desire to help people. If you don't want to be in the "trenches" helping people - maybe this industry is not for you. You know who you are.
In short - our advice to "fast tracking" your success as a trainer starts with being really good AS a trainer. Unfortunately this is the step most people seem to want to skip.
Over the past year, we have both received tons of emails and phone calls that go something like this: "I have listened to you for a while now and have purchased several products from you. I've watched you and your reputation grow."
Or like this: "What was the one thing you did or the one step you made that took you from being a 'personal trainer' to a more accomplished fitness expert? Basically, what got the ball rolling for you and got you that first break? How did you leap frog the competition? What advice would you give someone aspiring to do the same?"
Normally, we have no problem answering these questions, and we have helped many trainers with their businesses. Recently, however, there has been an alarming trend that we've both noticed. People seem to think that the "in the trenches" experience is a step they can skip.
AC: Prior to anyone in the field having "heard" of me through products, websites, or magazine articles, I had been financially successful as a trainer full-time for over 10-12 years. I had opened my own fully equipped gym with four full-time staff and saw close to 300 members 2-3 times per week. While I do make money from writing articles, etc., the bulk of my income comes from my gym. The current line of thinking seems to be that training people and getting
results is unimportant and not really required to become a well-known trainer. However, it's the only thing that IS required.
JF: I didn't leap frog any competition, and I am far from an overnight success. People see my column in Men's Fitness or see me on the staff at EliteFTS.com, and they wonder what I did to get there and how they can do the same. The people asking me this question have usually trained three people and have been in this field for about a year.
Do you want to know how I became successful, got in the magazines, and got people to pay big money for my advice and buy my products? Do you want the simple formula for becoming a big success in this industry? Ok, I'll give it to you. Start training people when you are 19-years-old and going to college.
Continue to do so until you're done with school. Read a book a week for the next 13 years, go to countless seminars, and do internships. Pay anyone you can find for advice; some of it will be good and some of it will be bad. Use every possible method and system of training you can find or invent one for yourself first and your clients second. Train literally hundreds and hundreds of clients for 6-12 hours per day for ten years. Get great results in your own training and with your clients CONSISTENTLY. When you have done that, you will have achieved your "overnight success." That's when you should start writing articles. Alwyn and I were both in the trenches for at least ten years before
we ever wrote an article. We both believed that we had no business trying to spread our word to the masses until we had paid our dues and earned that right. For some reason, this is the only field where people don't seem to follow that same line of thinking. How long do you think Paul Tuttle of Orange County Choppers worked on bikes until he got a TV show? A year or two?
Come on now, we all know better than that. How long do you think Chris Garver was tattooing before Miami Ink debuted on TV? Chris was recently quoted as saying, "It seems like anyone can become a tattoo artist these days, but it takes a very long time to become a good one." I agree 100 percent. I'll add that it seems like anyone can become a trainer, strength coach, or internet guru these days, but it takes a very long time to become a good one. In the shop where Chris Garver works, there is an apprentice named Yoshi. Before they will allow Yoshi to tattoo anyone, he must learn from the masters and pay his dues. This is how it should be in our industry. You shouldn't be able to get in the magazines or on the websites if you haven't paid your dues. It's that simple. If you're going to trust someone with your body, who do you want putting your tattoo on you--Chris Garver or some art school graduate who can talk a great game and even has a whole portfolio of Marvel Comics characters he drew to show you? By the same token, if you trust someone with your body in a different way (i.e. getting training advice from them), who are you going to listen to--someone who has spent the last 15 years in the gym and has amassed over 10,000 hours of working time with clients or the guy who just got into this field a year ago, has received 28 certifications in that time, and can quote everything Mel Siff ever wrote word for word? It's not the fact that we think you spend "years in the trenches" - we just think that you shouldn't want to skip that step - you should develop your skills to a high level.
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Now don't get us wrong. We are all for helping everyone that we can. There are plenty of up and comers in this industry who will tell you that we're always willing to answer their questions and do whatever we can to be of assistance. We don't blame anyone for trying to make a living, and we love to see people succeed. It's just that if you're going to write about training people, you
actually have to TRAIN PEOPLE!! And not just for a few years. That does not make an expert.
Get a successful training business up and running, put in the time and effort, and then you may be ready to speak to the masses. The problem is that we both came up the hard way, the old-fashioned way I guess. We spent thousands of hours in the trenches and experienced many ups and downs and hard times on our
way to the top. It was never easy, and we struggled to make it many times. But, we persevered and earned our spots. The thing that pisses us off sometimes is the fact that nobody wants to do that anymore. People expect to come straight out of college, get in the magazines, write a few books, charge $400 an hour, and become a superstar. It's a little disrespectful to guys like CJ Murphy, who has busted his ass in the gym for close to 20 years working, learning, and getting unbeatable results. He is so busy that he barely has the time to even turn on the computer, never mind becoming an internet guru. Murph will never starve because he is doing things the right way and always has. If the magazines decide not to pay him anymore for his very limited time, he'll be fine. The guru's who have based their whole career in this industry on writing and selling products but haven't done time in the trenches will one day be exposed and left with no choice but to find a new career path. Like Ice Cube once said, "You better check yourself before you wreck yourself."
So, more articles and more products do not necessarily equal more success. Just keep that in mind. Don't confuse "publicity" with being good at what you do. There are several well-known "trainers" out there. We were making good money actually training people FIRST. THEN, magazines started asking us about training and people asked about products. The articles and products came as a result of our reputation. They didn't help us get clients, or get good at our
craft.
Good trainer first, marketing second.
AC: I mentioned this once to a "business adviser" in the fitness industry. I had commented that Trainer X literally had no clients. Not one. Yet, he was positioning himself as some sort of expert in the field, working harder to get magazine articles published and products released than he was getting clients and actually doing what he talked about. I thought it was a valuable point, but the "business adviser" disagreed. He said, "I think it's great. He has skipped all the bullshit and is making some money and a real name for himself."
But it's NOT great. It's deceitful.
What these people really do is journalism, not training. This is fine, but they're claiming more than just writing skills. The best journalists and magazine editors we know have never said they were trainers. If training people and mastering your craft is "bullshit," then I don't know what this industry will become. There seem to be several guys out there who are excited at having "skipped all the bullshit" (their words). They are now writing articles and selling products without having spent any time "in the trenches." Why are they proud of this? They should be ashamed of it.
How can you "skip" the "in the trenches" experience? That's not an option.
It's also a key indicator or CLUE of their real intentions. We all got into this for the same reasons--because we have a huge passion and want to help people get better. The best way to do this is face to face, and it's also the best way to make a difference. If you skip this step, then what difference are you really trying to make? Why are you in the coaching business anyway?
We know guys who have little to no real world experience training people, yet pride themselves on how many articles they have had published. And of course they list that on their website.
Are you kidding me? These guys with no experience are some of the biggest names in the field. You'd recognize their names if we published them.
If you just won the lottery and needed to invest your money, would you go to a kid that is green in the business with zero money of his own? Or would you more likely trust the guy with a few million in the bank who has been helping clients for years? If you knew this, would your decision be based on experience or publicity? What if the new guy had all kinds of nice looking
ads in the paper with a daily column? Would this influence your decision? Or would you go with your gut and seek the guy with the money and experience?
It's almost as nuts as a guy who has never trained any tennis players or no more than a few high school kids EVER writing an article about training tennis players. Crazy, huh? Oh wait...that one was on the web last month. Honestly, we have more respect for some of the personal trainers who are working long hours at 24-hour fitness facilities and are actually getting people in shape. They are putting food on the table for their families based on their ability to get results, not just their marketing.
Now, we want to be clear that we don't think "paying your dues" means taking a shit job, or making shit money. But recently it seems that guys think putting your time in, actually getting good, and spending time on developing your skills in the real world is a step that can be missed. Unfortunately, becoming a high profile trainer has recently been marketed as if it were a separate issue from just being really good.
It's the equivalent of starting karate and saying, "I need to skip all the bullshit between yellow and blue belt and just tell people that I'm a black belt. If I skip all that, write some articles, and make some products, I'll be making black belt money!"
The problem is that you can buy the black belt, make a certificate, and "act as if" all you want. But when push comes to shove--and eventually it will--you're going to be exposed as a white belt.
In other words, you're a liar.
Before you even focus on trying to expand your business, or your profile, make sure that you're technically really good at what you do. Everyone thinks that they need business development, and this is true, but most of the trainers I've met need to get better at training first! You can't skip this step. Being really skilled at what you do is the only guaranteed way to improve your business. Marketing and business practices are very important but will only take you so far.
Great marketing and a great image will be exposed if you can't back it up by producing real results with real people. If you're just a good personal trainer, start educating yourself rapidly. The more you learn, the
more you can earn. It's that simple. And it's important to understand your limitations. We all have limitations when it comes to experience. For example, we're not powerlifters. We don't train powerlifters, and as a result, you will never see us posting in the Q&A on EliteFTS.com in any areas we do not feel comfortable. We're not the strength experts. That's why we ended up seeking out Louie Simmons and Dave Tate and their educational material. It's ok to find
someone to help you. We're not the diet, supplement, or drug experts either. We might not even know as much as you do. But, we definitely know someone who knows more than you, and all we have to do is call him.
We DO have years of experiencing training athletes and regular people. This is what we do, and what we love to do. This is what we know. If this step is something that people are looking to skip, then they are in the wrong field. So
what do you do? Up until now, this has been little more than a rant. Well, that's not us. Here is our plan of attack to take your career up a notch.
1. Set benchmarks of success that you want to hit. If you work in a club, maybe you want to become the head trainer or the busiest trainer? Perhaps you just want to have a full client load or charge more money?
Maybe you want to go out on your own or open your own place? (Keep in mind that although it seems like a goal, opening your own place or even working for yourself is maybe not the way you want to go. There are some GREAT trainers who have made a name for themselves working for someone else. Martin Rooney and Stephen Holt come to mind.)
If you're just starting out, seek out a mentor to help you. Offer to assist them for free or even pay them for their time. It will put your experience and education on the fast track to a level far beyond any financial investment you may make.
2. Establish a level of excellence in everything that you do. How's your exercise technique? How's your client's exercise technique? What if you're not there? Your client's exercise form, without your supervision, is a window into your abilities. If you took a vacation and Dave Tate was supervising your AVERAGE clients' squat workout (not your star client!), would you be proud of their form, or would you have the excuses lined up?
3. Create a replicable system of program design. There has been a backlash against formal program design recently. The attitude has been "I don't know what I'm doing exactly until I get to the gym." This is acceptable when it comes from an experienced trainee, but in business, systems are everything. We should be able to write a program exactly as you do, without your input, by merely following your directions. This is the first step into hiring staff or increasing your business.
4. What are the results of your TYPICAL client? We all have the superstars that we can hold up and say "this is our work!" Well, guess what. ALL your clients are your work, even the "athletically challenged." It's easy to show us a picture of a pro athlete who you work with or a Men's Health cover model and take all the credit (even though these guys were pro athletes or models before they even met you). Your reputation is built on improving the average client, getting Johnny off the bench and into the game, getting 30 lbs of fat off of Suzy. Raise the standards of your results across the board.
5. Think about the type of clients you want. You may want to train baseball players exclusively but right now only 10 percent of your clients come from that niche. How can you target more in that market? Maybe it means offering your services to some local kids for free to build your reputation?
And what kind of clients do you have? If you were to classify them as A, B, C, or D, with A being a highly motivated client in your target market, who trains hard, never cancels, is a great ad for your business, and refers other clients, and D being "you need the work to pay your bills," how would you classify them? (You can use any system of classification that you want but
hopefully you get the picture.) Every three months, you should be able to "trim the & fat" and get rid of the bottom tier of clients. If this isn't the case, then it's doubtful that your skills are where they need to be.
6. Start studying the ancillaries of your profession. For example, if strength is your forte, then make sure you have a basic understanding of nutrition, mobility, energy system work, flexibility, and injury revention/rehabilitation. The goal is NOT to become an expert in all of
these areas, but to build a basic level of competence so that you can communicate on the topic and establish who the experts are in these areas. You want to look for THE expert and also the LOCAL expert. This helps build a network for you to consult. It has basically been the impetus behind the Elite Fitness advisory team. To be quite honest, until you are good at what you do, no one cares about your ability to write about it or wants to view your new DVD on it!
7. Now it's time to study business. Magazine writing and product development all hinge on your abilities as a trainer. Getting good is not a step you should want to skip. If you want to get away from training and coaching, then maybe this field is not for you. Coaching is why we all do this. Don't be in a hurry to get past that stage.
8. If you want to write, STUDY writing. Some of the top journalists in this field, such as Sean Hyson, Adam Campbell, and Lou Schuler, have spoken to more top trainers than anyone else. These guys know a great deal but NEVER pass themselves off as trainers. Don't be disrespectful to these guys and think you know how to write. Learn your craft.
9. Business book number one has to be The E Myth by Michael Gerber. Your goal should be to read this book ASAP. A good goal is to read a business book a week, alongside studying training. The second book to read is Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. It has about 15 chapters. Keep reading this book. Read a chapter a day every day so that you basically read it twice a month.
10. While we're on the subject of reading, a competent trainer should be reading Entrepreneur magazine, Fortune Small Business, Inc, Fast Company, etc. You should also be reading all the fitness magazines and websites. You can make fun of the fitness magazines all you want, but it's what your clients are reading and you should know what's out there. And face it, there's not a
single trainer out there who wouldn't love to have a column or article in a national magazine.
Read the magazines.
(I once read some criticism on an internet forum that said, "Do you think Alwyn Cosgrove will hurt his reputation with his recent book deal and Men's Fitness column?" Yeah, right. Every trainer on the planet would hate a mainstream book deal and a column in a national magazine because it might hurt their reputation on a forum.)
11. Attend any and all seminars in your area. You're not that good that you can afford not to attend. We've never got dumber from attending any educational event. In fact, the networking alone is worth more than the seminar fee. And don't limit yourself to only training events. You
want your butt in all the business seminars in your area also. So overall, getting to the next level takes time. There aren't any steps you can skip or moves you can make to leapfrog the competition. You just need to have a methodical plan to improve your skills and therefore your business, and do everything in your power to execute that plan. Alwyn Cosgrove is a Tae kwon do international champion. He has utilized his personal experience as an athlete and combined it with the advanced theories of European sports science
and the principles of modern strength and conditioning systems.
Alwyn Cosgrove has worked with a wide range of clientele including several Olympic and national level athletes and five world champions. He has also worked with professionals in a multitude of sports such as boxing, martial arts, soccer, ice skating, football, fencing, triathlon, rugby, bodybuilding, dance, and fitness competition. www.AlwynCosgrove.com.
Jason Ferruggia is a nationally recognized, highly sought after performance enhancement specialist.
The owner of his private athletic training company, Renegade Strength & Conditioning, Jason has worked with hundreds of athletes from over twenty different sports over
the last ten years. Jason is renowned for his ability to rapidly increase speed, strength, and size in all of his clients. www.J1Strength.com
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A thousand dollars a day, 7 days a week, fifty weeks a year... standing behind a bench press counting to ten.
If I say I believe this... will you offer to sell me a bridge?
The Luke
Ha Ha, never thought I could agree with ya on anything, however, this is NO BRAINER! :o
GC
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Is Goodrum still alive. I swear he should just "off" himself.
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No GC and Luke, seems you're just too damn dumb to figure it out..hahahaha!
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No GC and Luke, seems you're just too damn dumb to figure it out..hahahaha!
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No GC and Luke, seems you're just too damn dumb to figure it out..hahahaha!
340k a year as a trainer?
Explain that to me without using a cut'n'paste.
The Luke
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Vince...the machines look great..and your gym looks terrific..probably better than the shit i've been to around my neighborhood...but what advantages does your machines have over free weights..and the machines put out by the usual manufacturers...does it build muscle faster? is it safer? more pleasing to the eyes and clientele?
Good question.....but you haven't noticed that most of the machines today are absolutely rubbish?!?.....they take away the true tension and resistance.....those double-pulley or even triple (if that's the correct term) steal the weight from you.....for example, old school calf machines - you can feel the weight literally through every millimeter of motion.....the new ones are frustratingly wrong......the tension is not where it needs to be.....resistance across the full range of motion is lacking.....and let me tell you, it sucks dogs balls....it's as if they build these machines to make it as easy as possible for the avg. lazy gym goer to workout.....come on, that's just bullshit.....I'm very passionate about this shit.....
And it's not just my current gym.....I've seen it across the board at most gym chains here in Australia....I can tell from Vince B's pictures and they way he described his machines that they're the real deal....that's the kind of equipment you want in your gym......those machines are pure gold....I'd buy his equipment in a heartbeat.
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The engineering behind modern gym equipment has progressed heaps in recent years. Some of the machines disappoint but most are very good. If they use pulleys it is because they are trying to keep the unit small and not necessarily make the weights feel easier. I go to a lot of trouble getting the resistance to equal what is on the weight stack. That isn't always easy. Look at the standing chin machine to see the trouble I went to and even provided a counterweight to assist that goal. The pulley in the lever actually doubles the resistance which because it is half way along the lever makes the weights feel exactly what they weigh.
If more engineers were bodybuilders the equipment would feel better. Sometimes lines get a good reputation over what is deserved. I cite Hammer Strength here. A few of the top fitness clubs in Sydney have installed quite a few of those machines when perhaps a few are really effective. That shows you how little those purchasing equipment know about gym equipment. Gym owners all feel they know everything so that is one problem. Arthur Jones said that working with inmates at a prison was dealing with a better class of people than gym owners! I am sure he said that because they disappointed him in his business dealings. I agree that dealing with some gym owners is not very rewarding and you come away diminished for the association. That is why I won't build equipment for any other gyms.
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Post a comparison shot. I'm sure you have plenty on hand.
I do however you need to do the same bicep shot......AWAY FROM THE CAMERA. Then you'll see how small your arms really are
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On Getbig, asking for someone to post a photo of themselves is like demanding that everyone look great and have won bodybuilding contests. This is the internet and wannabes can shine who know how to piss other people off. No one has to establish that they are great but only that they know how to come out on top on discussion boards. It has never been a level playing field. If Pellius wants peace of mind he will have to stop responding to everyone who posts in his threads or replys to what he says. As has been demonstrated many times all that does is end up in a pissing match that no one wins and never Pellius. Hope this helps.
Actually it was Pellius aka drugged, dazed, & wrinkled who involved himself into this spat. I don't think I've ever said anything about him until now but I've always thought that he was taking too many drugs for very little results and that he should stay out of the sun
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A repeat of the referred article...........
"The Business"
Alwyn Cosgrove and Jason Ferruggia
By Alwyn Cosgrove and Jason Ferruggia
For www.EliteFTS.com
Published courtesy of Jason Ferruggia and Alwyn Cosgrove
This article was written in response to a trend that both Jay and I experienced. We were getting approached by trainers asking us for business advice and how to "jump the ladder, get out of the trenches and avoid training clients for a long time".
We are all for helping motivated individuals fast-track their career, but the fact that a trainer is asking how to avoid training people, didn't sit well with us. We all get started in this industry through our desire to help people. If you don't want to be in the "trenches" helping people - maybe this industry is not for you. You know who you are.
In short - our advice to "fast tracking" your success as a trainer starts with being really good AS a trainer. Unfortunately this is the step most people seem to want to skip.
Over the past year, we have both received tons of emails and phone calls that go something like this: "I have listened to you for a while now and have purchased several products from you. I've watched you and your reputation grow."
Or like this: "What was the one thing you did or the one step you made that took you from being a 'personal trainer' to a more accomplished fitness expert? Basically, what got the ball rolling for you and got you that first break? How did you leap frog the competition? What advice would you give someone aspiring to do the same?"
Normally, we have no problem answering these questions, and we have helped many trainers with their businesses. Recently, however, there has been an alarming trend that we've both noticed. People seem to think that the "in the trenches" experience is a step they can skip.
AC: Prior to anyone in the field having "heard" of me through products, websites, or magazine articles, I had been financially successful as a trainer full-time for over 10-12 years. I had opened my own fully equipped gym with four full-time staff and saw close to 300 members 2-3 times per week. While I do make money from writing articles, etc., the bulk of my income comes from my gym. The current line of thinking seems to be that training people and getting
results is unimportant and not really required to become a well-known trainer. However, it's the only thing that IS required.
JF: I didn't leap frog any competition, and I am far from an overnight success. People see my column in Men's Fitness or see me on the staff at EliteFTS.com, and they wonder what I did to get there and how they can do the same. The people asking me this question have usually trained three people and have been in this field for about a year.
Do you want to know how I became successful, got in the magazines, and got people to pay big money for my advice and buy my products? Do you want the simple formula for becoming a big success in this industry? Ok, I'll give it to you. Start training people when you are 19-years-old and going to college.
Continue to do so until you're done with school. Read a book a week for the next 13 years, go to countless seminars, and do internships. Pay anyone you can find for advice; some of it will be good and some of it will be bad. Use every possible method and system of training you can find or invent one for yourself first and your clients second. Train literally hundreds and hundreds of clients for 6-12 hours per day for ten years. Get great results in your own training and with your clients CONSISTENTLY. When you have done that, you will have achieved your "overnight success." That's when you should start writing articles. Alwyn and I were both in the trenches for at least ten years before
we ever wrote an article. We both believed that we had no business trying to spread our word to the masses until we had paid our dues and earned that right. For some reason, this is the only field where people don't seem to follow that same line of thinking. How long do you think Paul Tuttle of Orange County Choppers worked on bikes until he got a TV show? A year or two?
Come on now, we all know better than that. How long do you think Chris Garver was tattooing before Miami Ink debuted on TV? Chris was recently quoted as saying, "It seems like anyone can become a tattoo artist these days, but it takes a very long time to become a good one." I agree 100 percent. I'll add that it seems like anyone can become a trainer, strength coach, or internet guru these days, but it takes a very long time to become a good one. In the shop where Chris Garver works, there is an apprentice named Yoshi. Before they will allow Yoshi to tattoo anyone, he must learn from the masters and pay his dues. This is how it should be in our industry. You shouldn't be able to get in the magazines or on the websites if you haven't paid your dues. It's that simple. If you're going to trust someone with your body, who do you want putting your tattoo on you--Chris Garver or some art school graduate who can talk a great game and even has a whole portfolio of Marvel Comics characters he drew to show you? By the same token, if you trust someone with your body in a different way (i.e. getting training advice from them), who are you going to listen to--someone who has spent the last 15 years in the gym and has amassed over 10,000 hours of working time with clients or the guy who just got into this field a year ago, has received 28 certifications in that time, and can quote everything Mel Siff ever wrote word for word? It's not the fact that we think you spend "years in the trenches" - we just think that you shouldn't want to skip that step - you should develop your skills to a high level.
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Now don't get us wrong. We are all for helping everyone that we can. There are plenty of up and comers in this industry who will tell you that we're always willing to answer their questions and do whatever we can to be of assistance. We don't blame anyone for trying to make a living, and we love to see people succeed. It's just that if you're going to write about training people, you
actually have to TRAIN PEOPLE!! And not just for a few years. That does not make an expert.
Get a successful training business up and running, put in the time and effort, and then you may be ready to speak to the masses. The problem is that we both came up the hard way, the old-fashioned way I guess. We spent thousands of hours in the trenches and experienced many ups and downs and hard times on our
way to the top. It was never easy, and we struggled to make it many times. But, we persevered and earned our spots. The thing that pisses us off sometimes is the fact that nobody wants to do that anymore. People expect to come straight out of college, get in the magazines, write a few books, charge $400 an hour, and become a superstar. It's a little disrespectful to guys like CJ Murphy, who has busted his ass in the gym for close to 20 years working, learning, and getting unbeatable results. He is so busy that he barely has the time to even turn on the computer, never mind becoming an internet guru. Murph will never starve because he is doing things the right way and always has. If the magazines decide not to pay him anymore for his very limited time, he'll be fine. The guru's who have based their whole career in this industry on writing and selling products but haven't done time in the trenches will one day be exposed and left with no choice but to find a new career path. Like Ice Cube once said, "You better check yourself before you wreck yourself."
So, more articles and more products do not necessarily equal more success. Just keep that in mind. Don't confuse "publicity" with being good at what you do. There are several well-known "trainers" out there. We were making good money actually training people FIRST. THEN, magazines started asking us about training and people asked about products. The articles and products came as a result of our reputation. They didn't help us get clients, or get good at our
craft.
Good trainer first, marketing second.
AC: I mentioned this once to a "business adviser" in the fitness industry. I had commented that Trainer X literally had no clients. Not one. Yet, he was positioning himself as some sort of expert in the field, working harder to get magazine articles published and products released than he was getting clients and actually doing what he talked about. I thought it was a valuable point, but the "business adviser" disagreed. He said, "I think it's great. He has skipped all the bullshit and is making some money and a real name for himself."
But it's NOT great. It's deceitful.
What these people really do is journalism, not training. This is fine, but they're claiming more than just writing skills. The best journalists and magazine editors we know have never said they were trainers. If training people and mastering your craft is "bullshit," then I don't know what this industry will become. There seem to be several guys out there who are excited at having "skipped all the bullshit" (their words). They are now writing articles and selling products without having spent any time "in the trenches." Why are they proud of this? They should be ashamed of it.
How can you "skip" the "in the trenches" experience? That's not an option.
It's also a key indicator or CLUE of their real intentions. We all got into this for the same reasons--because we have a huge passion and want to help people get better. The best way to do this is face to face, and it's also the best way to make a difference. If you skip this step, then what difference are you really trying to make? Why are you in the coaching business anyway?
We know guys who have little to no real world experience training people, yet pride themselves on how many articles they have had published. And of course they list that on their website.
Are you kidding me? These guys with no experience are some of the biggest names in the field. You'd recognize their names if we published them.
If you just won the lottery and needed to invest your money, would you go to a kid that is green in the business with zero money of his own? Or would you more likely trust the guy with a few million in the bank who has been helping clients for years? If you knew this, would your decision be based on experience or publicity? What if the new guy had all kinds of nice looking
ads in the paper with a daily column? Would this influence your decision? Or would you go with your gut and seek the guy with the money and experience?
It's almost as nuts as a guy who has never trained any tennis players or no more than a few high school kids EVER writing an article about training tennis players. Crazy, huh? Oh wait...that one was on the web last month. Honestly, we have more respect for some of the personal trainers who are working long hours at 24-hour fitness facilities and are actually getting people in shape. They are putting food on the table for their families based on their ability to get results, not just their marketing.
Now, we want to be clear that we don't think "paying your dues" means taking a shit job, or making shit money. But recently it seems that guys think putting your time in, actually getting good, and spending time on developing your skills in the real world is a step that can be missed. Unfortunately, becoming a high profile trainer has recently been marketed as if it were a separate issue from just being really good.
It's the equivalent of starting karate and saying, "I need to skip all the bullshit between yellow and blue belt and just tell people that I'm a black belt. If I skip all that, write some articles, and make some products, I'll be making black belt money!"
The problem is that you can buy the black belt, make a certificate, and "act as if" all you want. But when push comes to shove--and eventually it will--you're going to be exposed as a white belt.
In other words, you're a liar.
Before you even focus on trying to expand your business, or your profile, make sure that you're technically really good at what you do. Everyone thinks that they need business development, and this is true, but most of the trainers I've met need to get better at training first! You can't skip this step. Being really skilled at what you do is the only guaranteed way to improve your business. Marketing and business practices are very important but will only take you so far.
Great marketing and a great image will be exposed if you can't back it up by producing real results with real people. If you're just a good personal trainer, start educating yourself rapidly. The more you learn, the
more you can earn. It's that simple. And it's important to understand your limitations. We all have limitations when it comes to experience. For example, we're not powerlifters. We don't train powerlifters, and as a result, you will never see us posting in the Q&A on EliteFTS.com in any areas we do not feel comfortable. We're not the strength experts. That's why we ended up seeking out Louie Simmons and Dave Tate and their educational material. It's ok to find
someone to help you. We're not the diet, supplement, or drug experts either. We might not even know as much as you do. But, we definitely know someone who knows more than you, and all we have to do is call him.
We DO have years of experiencing training athletes and regular people. This is what we do, and what we love to do. This is what we know. If this step is something that people are looking to skip, then they are in the wrong field. So
what do you do? Up until now, this has been little more than a rant. Well, that's not us. Here is our plan of attack to take your career up a notch.
1. Set benchmarks of success that you want to hit. If you work in a club, maybe you want to become the head trainer or the busiest trainer? Perhaps you just want to have a full client load or charge more money?
Maybe you want to go out on your own or open your own place? (Keep in mind that although it seems like a goal, opening your own place or even working for yourself is maybe not the way you want to go. There are some GREAT trainers who have made a name for themselves working for someone else. Martin Rooney and Stephen Holt come to mind.)
If you're just starting out, seek out a mentor to help you. Offer to assist them for free or even pay them for their time. It will put your experience and education on the fast track to a level far beyond any financial investment you may make.
2. Establish a level of excellence in everything that you do. How's your exercise technique? How's your client's exercise technique? What if you're not there? Your client's exercise form, without your supervision, is a window into your abilities. If you took a vacation and Dave Tate was supervising your AVERAGE clients' squat workout (not your star client!), would you be proud of their form, or would you have the excuses lined up?
3. Create a replicable system of program design. There has been a backlash against formal program design recently. The attitude has been "I don't know what I'm doing exactly until I get to the gym." This is acceptable when it comes from an experienced trainee, but in business, systems are everything. We should be able to write a program exactly as you do, without your input, by merely following your directions. This is the first step into hiring staff or increasing your business.
4. What are the results of your TYPICAL client? We all have the superstars that we can hold up and say "this is our work!" Well, guess what. ALL your clients are your work, even the "athletically challenged." It's easy to show us a picture of a pro athlete who you work with or a Men's Health cover model and take all the credit (even though these guys were pro athletes or models before they even met you). Your reputation is built on improving the average client, getting Johnny off the bench and into the game, getting 30 lbs of fat off of Suzy. Raise the standards of your results across the board.
5. Think about the type of clients you want. You may want to train baseball players exclusively but right now only 10 percent of your clients come from that niche. How can you target more in that market? Maybe it means offering your services to some local kids for free to build your reputation?
And what kind of clients do you have? If you were to classify them as A, B, C, or D, with A being a highly motivated client in your target market, who trains hard, never cancels, is a great ad for your business, and refers other clients, and D being "you need the work to pay your bills," how would you classify them? (You can use any system of classification that you want but
hopefully you get the picture.) Every three months, you should be able to "trim the & fat" and get rid of the bottom tier of clients. If this isn't the case, then it's doubtful that your skills are where they need to be.
6. Start studying the ancillaries of your profession. For example, if strength is your forte, then make sure you have a basic understanding of nutrition, mobility, energy system work, flexibility, and injury revention/rehabilitation. The goal is NOT to become an expert in all of
these areas, but to build a basic level of competence so that you can communicate on the topic and establish who the experts are in these areas. You want to look for THE expert and also the LOCAL expert. This helps build a network for you to consult. It has basically been the impetus behind the Elite Fitness advisory team. To be quite honest, until you are good at what you do, no one cares about your ability to write about it or wants to view your new DVD on it!
7. Now it's time to study business. Magazine writing and product development all hinge on your abilities as a trainer. Getting good is not a step you should want to skip. If you want to get away from training and coaching, then maybe this field is not for you. Coaching is why we all do this. Don't be in a hurry to get past that stage.
8. If you want to write, STUDY writing. Some of the top journalists in this field, such as Sean Hyson, Adam Campbell, and Lou Schuler, have spoken to more top trainers than anyone else. These guys know a great deal but NEVER pass themselves off as trainers. Don't be disrespectful to these guys and think you know how to write. Learn your craft.
9. Business book number one has to be The E Myth by Michael Gerber. Your goal should be to read this book ASAP. A good goal is to read a business book a week, alongside studying training. The second book to read is Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. It has about 15 chapters. Keep reading this book. Read a chapter a day every day so that you basically read it twice a month.
10. While we're on the subject of reading, a competent trainer should be reading Entrepreneur magazine, Fortune Small Business, Inc, Fast Company, etc. You should also be reading all the fitness magazines and websites. You can make fun of the fitness magazines all you want, but it's what your clients are reading and you should know what's out there. And face it, there's not a
single trainer out there who wouldn't love to have a column or article in a national magazine.
Read the magazines.
(I once read some criticism on an internet forum that said, "Do you think Alwyn Cosgrove will hurt his reputation with his recent book deal and Men's Fitness column?" Yeah, right. Every trainer on the planet would hate a mainstream book deal and a column in a national magazine because it might hurt their reputation on a forum.)
11. Attend any and all seminars in your area. You're not that good that you can afford not to attend. We've never got dumber from attending any educational event. In fact, the networking alone is worth more than the seminar fee. And don't limit yourself to only training events. You
want your butt in all the business seminars in your area also. So overall, getting to the next level takes time. There aren't any steps you can skip or moves you can make to leapfrog the competition. You just need to have a methodical plan to improve your skills and therefore your business, and do everything in your power to execute that plan. Alwyn Cosgrove is a Tae kwon do international champion. He has utilized his personal experience as an athlete and combined it with the advanced theories of European sports science
and the principles of modern strength and conditioning systems.
Alwyn Cosgrove has worked with a wide range of clientele including several Olympic and national level athletes and five world champions. He has also worked with professionals in a multitude of sports such as boxing, martial arts, soccer, ice skating, football, fencing, triathlon, rugby, bodybuilding, dance, and fitness competition. www.AlwynCosgrove.com.
Jason Ferruggia is a nationally recognized, highly sought after performance enhancement specialist.
The owner of his private athletic training company, Renegade Strength & Conditioning, Jason has worked with hundreds of athletes from over twenty different sports over
the last ten years. Jason is renowned for his ability to rapidly increase speed, strength, and size in all of his clients. www.J1Strength.com
To which you inserted my name into the thread so let me make things clear Joe.
1. I've been training people professionally for 9 years and full time since 2007
2. I've held my PT certification, First Aid & CPR since 2002
3. I don't need every piece of equipment in the gym to get people in shape
4. I get results, otherwise I wouldn't be able to pay my bills
5. My website has a higher rank than yours and even a US rank which yours doesn't even have
6. You don't have a degree in Exercise Science or Athletic Training.
7. I enjoy training normal everyday people and am not obsessed with being a strength and conditioning coach.
And of course number 8....I don't give a rat's ass about your business and you shouldn't care about my business. I'll train my clients and you train yours.
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To which you inserted my name into the thread so let me make things clear Joe.
1. I've been training people professionally for 9 years and full time since 2007
2. I've held my PT certification, First Aid & CPR since 2002
3. I don't need every piece of equipment in the gym to get people in shape
4. I get results, otherwise I wouldn't be able to pay my bills
5. My website has a higher rank than yours and even a US rank which yours doesn't even have
6. You don't have a degree in Exercise Science or Athletic Training.
7. I enjoy training normal everyday people and am not obsessed with being a strength and conditioning coach.
And of course number 8....I don't give a rat's ass about your business and you shouldn't care about my business. I'll train my clients and you train yours.
1. I don't recall me knocking your training abilities, the way you look or anything like that. BUT,
2. If your getting results from your clients, you should post testimonials on your website.
3. In college I came up six months (I've gone over this time and time again) of getting a piece of paper that basically says "graduate, now you can get a job that pays $50g's a year! If I were to get a job as an S&C coach at a college, I'd be at about $80k per year...I don't want to take a pay cut. Which reminds me....whatever happend to that job your were supposed to get as an S&C coach for some pro football team ::)?
4. I don't need alot of equipment either....which is why my gym will contain very little "machines".
5. My website does what it's supposed to do...get clients!
6. Too each his own.....I am obsessed with strength and conditioning. I breath it, think it and study it almost 24/7
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To which you inserted my name into the thread so let me make things clear Joe.
1. I've been training people professionally for 9 years and full time since 2007 BULLSHIT
2. I've held my PT certification, First Aid & CPR since 2002 BULLSHIT
3. I don't need every piece of equipment in the gym to get people in shape IT IS OBVIOUS LOOK AT YOURSELF NOP MUSCLE!
4. I get results, otherwise I wouldn't be able to pay my bills YOUR BILLS ARE NOTHING WE HAVE SEEN YOUR DUMP
5. My website has a higher rank than yours and even a US rank which yours doesn't even have EASILY DONE WITH ROBOTS
6. You don't have a degree in Exercise Science or Athletic Training. HE IS 100000000000 TIMES SMARTER THAN YOU
7. I enjoy training normal everyday people and am not obsessed with being a strength and conditioning coach. YOU DO NOT TRAIN ANYONE AND YOU DON'T EVEN TRAIN
And of course number 8....I don't give a rat's ass about your business and you shouldn't care about my business. I'll train my clients and you train yours. YOU HAVE NO CLIENTS
God! when will you stop the bullshit
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340k a year as a trainer?
Explain that to me without using a cut'n'paste.
The Luke
I don't charge by the session or in packages, I charge a flat per month rate based on either a 3 or 12 month commitment (recurring debit by either CC or ACH). So think about it, if I were selling "packages" and someone buys lets say a 12 session package for $65.00 per session that would be $780.00 at 3x's per week BUT if they keep canceling or not showing up that 12 session or 1 month package actually eventually gets dragged out into 2 months or longer. I have sold 20 session packages that have taken up to 5 months for them to complete, thats f**king rediculous...I lose money and makes me look like shit because they don't improve.
Several years ago I fixed this by putting my existing and new clientele on a monthly flat rate with....again, 3 or 12 month commitments, most have chose 12 months. Now, since I've somewhat lowered their rate because of charging monthy, I have included my camps (strongman, fitness and speed), their own written program if they cannot make it at their usual time (they bought the scheduled time) so they can stay on track and not miss, nutrition program, etc.
Of course the 3 month commitment is more than the 12 month but for the sake of this conversation we'll keep it at 12. That being said he it's a simple calculation as an example....
We have a total of 52 clients on a 12 month program @ $470.00 per month $470.00 x 52 = $24440.00.
If they miss, they can make up the session as long as we have the availability or they can choose to go to a group camp. Most of the time we don't train one on one but rather 2-5 at a time. This works well because they push one another and the results are great.
I charge more for pros because of the time I have to spend with them.
There ya go Luke, that's the jist of it, this is not taking into consideration the 3 month commitments and camps.
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1. I don't recall me knocking your training abilities, the way you look or anything like that. BUT,
2. If your getting results from your clients, you should post testimonials on your website.
3. In college I came up six months (I've gone over this time and time again) of getting a piece of paper that basically says "graduate, now you can get a job that pays $50g's a year! If I were to get a job as an S&C coach at a college, I'd be at about $80k per year...I don't want to take a pay cut. Which reminds me....whatever happend to that job your were supposed to get as an S&C coach for some pro football team ::)?
4. I don't need alot of equipment either....which is why my gym will contain very little "machines".
5. My website does what it's supposed to do...get clients!
6. Too each his own.....I am obsessed with strength and conditioning. I breath it, think it and study it almost 24/7
1. You put MY NAME in the title of the thread to imply that I was bad trainer.
2. Most of my clients are people who have serious obesity issues which is why they hire me for in home training because they are afraid and embarrassed to go into a gym because of the ridicule that they may get from immature Getbig troll like people. So its obvious that putting their names up on my site wouldn't be appropriate. Private training is just that.
3. That was more than 4 years ago. I did get the job offer but it was too much travel and a huge pay cut compared to my job at Alltel although if I knew I was going to get laid off the following year, I would have taken it.
4. You'll have machines in your gym, just like I will have in my fitness studio when I open it up or what I'm branding as a fitness salon.
5. Your website isn't getting clients because its screwed up. Put it back the way 240 designed it originally. You don't need two wordpress blogs on one site which is what you have now
6. Good for you but don't knock my approach. I believe in firm but gentle touch when it comes to training clients without stripping away their dignity and making them have a more positive attitude about themselves. I build them up but beat them down.
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1. You put MY NAME in the title of the thread to imply that I was bad trainer.
2. Most of my clients are people who have serious obesity issues which is why they hire me for in home training because they are afraid and embarrassed to go into a gym because of the ridicule that they may get from immature Getbig troll like people. So its obvious that putting their names up on my site wouldn't be appropriate. Private training is just that.
3. That was more than 4 years ago. I did get the job offer but it was too much travel and a huge pay cut compared to my job at Alltel although if I knew I was going to get laid off the following year, I would have taken it.
4. You'll have machines in your gym, just like I will have in my fitness studio when I open it up or what I'm branding as a fitness salon.
5. Your website isn't getting clients because its screwed up. Put it back the way 240 designed it originally. You don't need two wordpress blogs on one site which is what you have now
6. Good for you but don't knock my approach. I believe in firm but gentle touch when it comes to training clients without stripping away their dignity and making them have a more positive attitude about themselves. I build them up but beat them down.
If I thought you had any clients I would believe #2. I do believe anyone you train would be embarrassed to be seen with you as their trainer. By they way what kind of gyms do you go to that other members openly make fun of the fat people. I promise you I have been to 100 times more gyms than you and I don't hear anything. And I am fat now. So they must do it really quietly. And why do you persist in trying to make us think you train people and go to a gym
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1. You put MY NAME in the title of the thread to imply that I was bad trainer.
No I didn't Vince
2. Most of my clients are people who have serious obesity issues which is why they hire me for in home training because they are afraid and embarrassed to go into a gym because of the ridicule that they may get from immature Getbig troll like people. So its obvious that putting their names up on my site wouldn't be appropriate. Private training is just that.
They will gain confidence when they see huge improvments, after that ask them for at least a written testimonial or a release to use they're photo, most will be happy to show themselves off.
3. That was more than 4 years ago. I did get the job offer but it was too much travel and a huge pay cut compared to my job at Alltel although if I knew I was going to get laid off the following year, I would have taken it.
4. You'll have machines in your gym, just like I will have in my fitness studio when I open it up or what I'm branding as a fitness salon.
Nothing for Isolation or bodybuilding, well have pulldown and rows machines and column cables for rotation work and reverse hyper....no leg extentions, leg curls, etc,etc
5. Your website isn't getting clients because its screwed up. Put it back the way 240 designed it originally. You don't need two wordpress blogs on one site which is what you have now
You mean this one? www.joelocalpt.com I do the word press because writing blogs or articles in your OWN words lends credibility in the targeted areas. Think about it!
6. Good for you but don't knock my approach. I believe in firm but gentle touch when it comes to training clients without stripping away their dignity and making them have a more positive attitude about themselves. I build them up but beat them down.
I'm not gentile with my athletes uless they're injured, you don't baby athletes. I'm different with my general clientel. I never knocked your approach, you have your way I have mine.
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gentiles are non-jews
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gentiles are non-jews
LOL......gotcha!
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No, you put my name in it and when I said something about it, you removed it. Otherwise I would have ignored your thread entirely. I could care less about Jason or Alcowe's ramblings about "paying your dues".
And again Joe, the way I run my business is MY BUSINESS and my methods work. I don't "pimp my clients" or slap them around and I still get their best efforts out of them. When I do open my training studio, I may decide upon testimonials since people will be coming in but for now I like my appoach. But clean up your website because you don't need two blogs
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isn't so wonderful there are 2 magic (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/hom.gif) negros in the world.
one doesn't train and is a training expert. the other smokes and is a health expert.
goddamn amazing i'm tellin ya
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isn't so wonderful there are 2 magic (http://www.freejunknstuff.com/hom.gif) negros in the world.
one doesn't train and is a training expert. the other smokes and is a health expert.
goddamn amazing i'm tellin ya
;D
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No, you put my name in it and when I said something about it, you removed it. Otherwise I would have ignored your thread entirely. I could care less about Jason or Alcowe's ramblings about "paying your dues".
And again Joe, the way I run my business is MY BUSINESS and my methods work. I don't "pimp my clients" or slap them around and I still get their best efforts out of them. When I do open my training studio, I may decide upon testimonials since people will be coming in but for now I like my appoach. But clean up your website because you don't need two blogs
Amazing the shit that comes out of your cum-hole. ::)
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Amazing the shit that comes out of your cum-hole. ::)
Damn Keith you're relentless..LOL!
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Damn Keith you're relentless..LOL!
i gotta tell you Coach. Just responding to Goodrum makes us dumber. I got so many Pm's from Getbiggers I don't even know asking me why I lower myself and even acknowledge him. But for some reason he is so easy to pick on and it is fun.
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Keith is right. Goodrum is good fun and he gives as good as he gets. Any thread with Goodrum is sure to provide a few laughs for the Flotsam.
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Look at that buffoon Goodrum up on the stage. The dude has absolutely no shame!
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People think I pick on hapless Melvin Goodrum. No, it isn't that at all. In the Irongame you have to pay your dues before you can open your trap about the shortcomings of others, etc. What has Goodrum won? Zero. Nothing. Second place in a lineup of 2. Then last place in the finals in his recent contest. So when he knocks my gym or my equipment I think wtf is this nincompoop talking about. He hasn't done anything except be the resident expert in bodybuilding, nutrition and business. No wonder Keith can't help himself and tries to wake Melvin up. Everyone plays their roles here and it just goes round and round.
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People think I pick on hapless Melvin Goodrum. No, it isn't that at all. In the Irongame you have to pay your dues before you can open your trap about the shortcomings of others, etc. What has Goodrum won? Zero. Nothing. Second place in a lineup of 2. Then last place in the finals in his recent contest. So when he knocks my gym or my equipment I think wtf is this nincompoop talking about. He hasn't done anything except be the resident expert in bodybuilding, nutrition and business. No wonder Keith can't help himself and tries to wake Melvin up. Everyone plays their roles here and it just goes round and round.
I have plenty of years left to compete so its far from being done. You on the other hand are finished completely with no accolades, never turned professional, and quite frankly a 20,000 sq ft gym that nobody really knows about. Vince Gironda, Bill Pearl, and Joe Gold's Gym were honored by the greats while yours never got a peep.
Vince Basile, you can't change history and with all the years you had to make a name for yourself....you simply never did. Hate to say it but the bodybuilding world won't really remember you when you're long gone. You never won a major title, never went pro, and your gym is just there.
Just like Keith, you're living in the past because the present reality for you two is much too emotionally painful
Sorry
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I have plenty of years left to compete so its far from being done. You on the other hand are finished completely with no accolades, never turned professional, and quite frankly a 20,000 sq ft gym that nobody really knows about. Vince Gironda, Bill Pearl, and Joe Gold's Gym were honored by the greats while yours never got a peep.
Vince Basile, you can't change history and with all the years you had to make a name for yourself....you simply never did. Hate to say it but the bodybuilding world won't really remember you when you're long gone. You never won a major title, never went pro, and your gym is just there.
Sorry
Vince G are going for your pro card this year?
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Vince G are going for your pro card this year?
Every year as the NGA shows for the most part are one man pro qualifiers but it'll take a few years. Right now, I'm going for a class win or top 3 finish.
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Every year as the NGA shows for the most part are one man pro qualifiers but it'll take a few years. Right now, I'm going for a class win or top 3 finish.
When is the show?
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In my mind and that of people I respect I have exceeded any of the gyms owned by Joe Gold, Vince Gironda or Bill Pearl. I am talking about equipment and layout. Gironda had the poorest equipment but he was knowledgeable so that compensated.
Melvin, when are you going to win one of those lower division contests that you enter? You are nowhere near ready to enter open divisions and you know it. I am not stopping you from improving but all you have shown us in the last 3 years is that you got cut up a bit but you have added absolutely no additional size. That isn't bodybuilding. I won my titles before I was 28. Good luck to you at your age. It is not impossible but with your history we will see more of the same. Big talk from you but not much to see on stage.
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In my mind and that of people I respect I have exceeded any of the gyms owned by Joe Gold, Vince Gironda or Bill Pearl. I am talking about equipment and layout. Gironda had the poorest equipment but he was knowledgeable so that compensated.
Melvin, when are you going to win one of those lower division contests that you enter? You are nowhere near ready to enter open divisions and you know it. I am not stopping you from improving but all you have shown us in the last 3 years is that you got cut up a bit but you have added absolutely no additional size. That isn't bodybuilding. I won my titles before I was 28. Good luck to you at your age. It is not impossible but with your history we will see more of the same. Big talk from you but not much to see on stage.
I didn't do my first show until I was 27 but I honestly don't care. You won a couple of trinkets but nothing important and you never came close to taking home a respected title. You're still an amateur bodybuilder rather than a professional despite having all the time to do something about it.
I'm sorry I have to tell you this but you never made anything of yourself as a competitive bodybuilder. So just deal with it and stop whining about it. Hopefully my last bodybuilding show I do isn't like your final one when you were bounced to dead last at the Australian.... ;D
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Nice try at shit stirring. Melvin, shake your sorry head because you are just jealous of me and anyone else who trained hard and won a national title. What have you won? Nothing at all in bodybuilding. Good luck in the future.
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Where in AU is your gym, Vince? I'm sorry if you already posted this.
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Nice try at shit stirring. Melvin, shake your sorry head because you are just jealous of me and anyone else who trained hard and won a national title. What have you won? Nothing at all in bodybuilding. Good luck in the future.
You won a title in a time and place where few people were competing and when it hardly mattered. Some of the people in the pictures you had you competed with had shorts on and although posing oil wasn't allowed some didn't even bother to go out and get a tan or even shave, or diet or popped Dianabol tablets like you did.
So congratulations on your Mr Canada title. You won because you got a tan, you shaved, you put on some posing trunks, and took steroids. You took the show very seriously when others didn't really care or give a shit
Now I have better things to do right now so be a good lad and build another Grip Machine.
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You won a title in a time and place where few people were competing and when it hardly mattered. Some of the people in the pictures you had you competed with had shorts on and although posing oil wasn't allowed some didn't even bother to go out and get a tan or even shave, or diet or popped Dianabol tablets like you did.
So congratulations on your Mr Canada title. You won because you got a tan, you shaved, you put on some posing trunks, and took steroids. You took the show very seriously when others didn't really care or give a shit
Now I have better things to do right now so be a good lad and build another Grip Machine.
You have a huge problem of not accepting you are a fucking loser and nothing else. you have done NOTHING to brag about. How can you talk negative to people whoi have accomplished more than you ever will, have successful business's, won shows, look a million times better and are just all round better than you in every possible way. Goodrum you are a joke and I think you know it. I think you grew up as a low life (you can tell by the way you live) and you were constantly being made fun of and now you are trying your hardest to get back at people by constantly lying and making shit up to make you look better. But, you fool no one on here or anywhere else. Why do you think you take last place in every contest you enter? Cause that is your destiny. You are simply a last place person. Live with that or kill yourself. No matter how many lies you spew and bullshit you fling around, facts are facts and you are a loser. You have so many excuses yet never an answer. You try so hard to try and convince people you are a somebody. You fail so badly just like in life. If you weren't such an asshole and liar I would feel sorry for you. But, instead you need to be put in your place and every person on Getbig and other boards are doing it. Face Goodrum, you will never ever make anything out of your pitiful life. The brutal truth hurts but I am sure you are too fucking stupid to see it. Like JNN said you are a burnt match.
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Melvin did you really let DA spit on you and not retaliate?
I thought you were a wrestler/prison gaurd
Thats not very alpha male
regards
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i wish ron would ban vince basille he is borderline retarded
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i wish ron would ban vince basille he is borderline retarded
Agreed. He is only here to talk about Vince. He has one foot in the grave and how does he choose to spend his last couple of years? Stalking a gay black dude who lives halfway across the world. Weird dude.
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i wish ron would ban vince basille he is borderline retarded
I gotta tell you, as much as Basile likes to talk (and he can talk) about himself or his gym or his past or about BB and streoids and whatever else. I all basically refers to BB. No matter what anyone says about him, he competed, he won shows, he has been in the industry since most of the people on here have been alive, he has met just about everyone people talk about on here and he has a gym that has survived over 50 years. One thing I have found out about getting old and that is you do talk about your past alot. The reason is simple, it is something to talk about. Some of us have more to say than others and some of us have more interesting things to say than others. But, I bet you anything that not one person who complains about Basile, me or anyone else who talks about the past is over 40 years old. You guys don't have a past yet. Hell, I never talked about my past either before I hit 40. I lived a pretty damm good life till I hit 40. My past was making me money and keeping my name out there till I was 40. Now the past 10 years I haven't done anything worthwhile except gain weight and get weaker. Why the fuck would I want to talk about the past ten years. And no matter what the youngsters say on here when you get older you are going to talk about your past cause it is when it was the best. My past still to this day gets me things and supports me. Not as much as when I was actually living it but it does help me alot.
Basile and me and other go after Goodrum cause he is a fucking moron who constantly posts worthless shit thinking he knows it all. he has done nothing in his life. he is telling Basile how to run a gymn and evertything associated with gym when in fact he doesn't even go to a gym, owned a gym or had anything to do with a gym. Basile has been in business longer than most people on here have been alive. He is still in business and makes his own eqquipment that looks great. How in the fuck does someone like Goodrum tell Basile how to run a gym, or someone like Coach how to train people, or REAL competitors how to compete. he is a joke and a menace and whenever you can take a shot at him the better.
Anyway, that is my "old talk".
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I gotta tell you, as much as Basile likes to talk (and he can talk) about himself or his gym or his past or about BB and streoids and whatever else. I all basically refers to BB. No matter what anyone says about him, he competed, he won shows, he has been in the industry since most of the people on here have been alive, he has met just about everyone people talk about on here and he has a gym that has survived over 50 years. One thing I have found out about getting old and that is you do talk about your past alot. The reason is simple, it is something to talk about. Some of us have more to say than others and some of us have more interesting things to say than others. But, I bet you anything that not one person who complains about Basile, me or anyone else who talks about the past is over 40 years old. You guys don't have a past yet. Hell, I never talked about my past either before I hit 40. I lived a pretty damm good life till I hit 40. My past was making me money and keeping my name out there till I was 40. Now the past 10 years I haven't done anything worthwhile except gain weight and get weaker. Why the fuck would I want to talk about the past ten years. And no matter what the youngsters say on here when you get older you are going to talk about your past cause it is when it was the best. My past still to this day gets me things and supports me. Not as much as when I was actually living it but it does help me alot.
Basile and me and other go after Goodrum cause he is a fucking moron who constantly posts worthless shit thinking he knows it all. he has done nothing in his life. he is telling Basile how to run a gymn and evertything associated with gym when in fact he doesn't even go to a gym, owned a gym or had anything to do with a gym. Basile has been in business longer than most people on here have been alive. He is still in business and makes his own eqquipment that looks great. How in the fuck does someone like Goodrum tell Basile how to run a gym, or someone like Coach how to train people, or REAL competitors how to compete. he is a joke and a menace and whenever you can take a shot at him the better.
Anyway, that is my "old talk".
Both of you go after me because I'm in your head and you two know I'm right. Keith, you are fat and lazy and have made every excuse in the world as to why you don't get in shape. You blamed being overweight on a spider bite that you got 10 years ago.... Instead of spending you time on the internet, hop on a treadmill and lose some weight.
Too easy....
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I gotta tell you, as much as Basile likes to talk (and he can talk) about himself or his gym or his past or about BB and streoids and whatever else. I all basically refers to BB. No matter what anyone says about him, he competed, he won shows, he has been in the industry since most of the people on here have been alive, he has met just about everyone people talk about on here and he has a gym that has survived over 50 years. One thing I have found out about getting old and that is you do talk about your past alot. The reason is simple, it is something to talk about. Some of us have more to say than others and some of us have more interesting things to say than others. But, I bet you anything that not one person who complains about Basile, me or anyone else who talks about the past is over 40 years old. You guys don't have a past yet. Hell, I never talked about my past either before I hit 40. I lived a pretty damm good life till I hit 40. My past was making me money and keeping my name out there till I was 40. Now the past 10 years I haven't done anything worthwhile except gain weight and get weaker. Why the fuck would I want to talk about the past ten years. And no matter what the youngsters say on here when you get older you are going to talk about your past cause it is when it was the best. My past still to this day gets me things and supports me. Not as much as when I was actually living it but it does help me alot. that is my "old talk".
^^Good.
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Vince seems to be a guy with his finger on the pulse of BB why doesn't he promote a pro show?
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Both of you go after me because I'm in your head and you two know I'm right. Keith, you are fat and lazy and have made every excuse in the world as to why you don't get in shape. You blamed being overweight on a spider bite that you got 10 years ago.... Instead of spending you time on the internet, hop on a treadmill and lose some weight.
Too easy....
You are in my head Goodrum. Some people call them restrooms, bathroom, toilet, outhouse, crapper, shitter, latrine, but if you call it a head that is okay too. But, yes you are in my head. Here you are saying bye to me in the morning. I admit, I think about you about 2 or 3 times a day depending on what I have to eat. Sometimes you are solid but most of the time you are a soft pile just steaming as you get flushed down.
By the way what excuse do you have for not getting into shape, going to a gym, start lifting weights, kill yourself.
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I didn't start this thread. Coach did and he was bagging me because of things I posted over at Ironage. He didn't reply there because that forum is moderated much closer than Getbig. I didn't respond for some time. Not until Melvin Goodrum joined in saying his usual crap and sounding like he is an expert. How refreshing to hear from a true expert. Keith has summed up Goodrum 100% in the last couple of pages. That is the way things are. I don't care to boast about myself or my gym but I do take pride in my gym equipment. When others bag me I am entitled to defend myself. Do you think I want to post photos of my gym here? No. I do so only to support my claim that my gym is heaps better than most socalled bodybuilding gyms from the past.
Listen to Goodrum go on and on about how I didn't win anything important. Well, Melvin, I hate to tell you but the Mr Canada is a top contest. Lots of guys want to win it and don't kid yourself that it is an easy thing to do. So don't compare what you have done in competing in some novice division in some hillbilly contest. Sure, if you won the open division your standard would be impressive. You came last each time you competed. That was still your place when you placed 2nd out of two guys in that division.
I am not going to call you a loser because I don't like to discourage anyone from competing in bodybuilding. First, try to build up some size. When your arms are large and the rest of you impressive then you can get cut up and enter contests. You haven't paid your dues and you underestimate how difficult it is to win even a local novice contest. You are a dreamer and imagine that next time you will win. There is no way you are going to develop any muscular size training at home on some pathetic pilates machine. You have to pay your dues at the local gym and actually cause some hypertrophy in your muscles.
The Goodrum cycle of boasting then posting with hardly much development is what makes you a laughing stock around the internet forums. If you were honest with everyone and didn't post as a world authority you wouldn't be bagged by all and sundry. I am glad you are here because you make this place funny as hell. Always showing up and crapping on about how imporant you are and what you are going to achieve.
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I gotta tell you, as much as Basile likes to talk (and he can talk)...
When you were being viciously attacked here every single day, by nearly every poster on the board, Basille was one of the few people that backed you up. Whenever Basille was attacked, however, you didn't do the same for him. As a matter of fact, you used to pile on.
Just saying...
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It is good to see that some post to defend Melvin Goodrum. Danielson is another guy who hasn't paid his dues so I guess he identifies with hapless Goodrum and feels sorry that Keith and I bag him almost every week. I don't pick on the little guys at my gym. I joke with the big guys and have fun in the gym. Actually, training by lifting weights has never been fun for anyone. Guys like Danielson and Goodrum who don't train much aren't bodybuilders because that isn't their main focus. Goodrum enters contests but wtf does he think he is doing by not training hard in the first place? Sure, the last competition Goodrum finally showed up with some definition which was an improvement. However, he lost so much size in the process that he still placed last. Has the penny fallen yet? Does he comprehend that just maybe bodybuilding is a difficult pastime and few ever win titles? Nope, this nincompoop boasts how he will soon be a professional bodybuilder. That is so funny to those of us who have been around the Irongame. Goodrum is a gift to all forums because he is so delusional that he is unaware of his standing and believes success in everything he does is just around the corner. You can go back a couple of years and read the same thing. Goodrum never achieves much. Well, I forgot he did earn a PhD in metaphysics last year which was amazing because he got one over a weekend! What a dreamer. What a buffoon.
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Well, I forgot he did earn a PhD in metaphysics last year which was amazing because he got one over a weekend! What a dreamer. What a buffoon.
Dear lord... he boasted on getbig about a phd he got over one weekend... :D
Does he have any shame? evidently not... showing up onstage with scrotum showing
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When you were being viciously attacked here every single day, by nearly every poster on the board, Basille was one of the few people that backed you up. Whenever Basille was attacked, however, you didn't do the same for him. As a matter of fact, you used to pile on.
Just saying...
Where have I piled on Basile. I like the guy. he calls me in the middle of the night on numerous occassions and I talk to him. Do I come to his defense when he is in debate with guys lioke Goodrum. NO. Why should I? He doesn't need help. Either do I. It is on record what I have done. It is on record what he has done. We dpon't hide like the big mouths on here who say anything they want yet hide behind fake names and no photos. Goodrum doesn't hide because he is too stupid to realize everyone is making fun of him. he has an excuse. And me being attacked is funny cause the people who attack me are the ones that grew up and are still the same people who are usually ignored by others and havew absolutely nothing going for them. Do you honestly think anything people like Goodrum and a few others really do anything to me. I laugh out loud almost everytime I read shit they post.
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I think Keith goes overboard bagging Goodrum but Melvin keeps attacking Keith and trying to make fun of a medical condition that has ruined Keith's life.
I give Goodrum credit for surviving on Getbig. That is quite a feat. The guy is gay and was exposed by Keith and it makes no difference to the Goodrum persona. Most people so exposed would have disappeared from this forum. So good for Melvin to keep posting no matter what.
Melvin deserves his Blue stars and so do I. Ron isn't being fair because he awarded Billy Guns blue stars but not Melvin Goodrum.
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Hey, Keith, sometimes I think to myself: where is Keith when Goodrum is bagging me. You eventually show up so don't disappoint anyone. Every single person, even non bodybuilders, that I introduce to Melvin Goodrum by showing them his photos ends up laughing their asses off.
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Hey, Keith, sometimes I think to myself: where is Keith when Goodrum is bagging me. You eventually show up so don't disappoint anyone. Every single person, even non bodybuilders, that I introduce to Melvin Goodrum by showing them his photos ends up laughing their asses off.
Goodrum looks like he is pain right there.
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Hapless Goodrum did show up in undersized posing briefs for a contest. We didn't know he was gay then so maybe he was trying to attract some blokes! I mean, what normal human being would go out on stage and pose with part of your testicles exposed? Only our internet legend, Vince G CSN MFT!
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Vince B when are you going to promote a pro show and make yaself some bucks??
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Paul Graham is affiliated with the IFBB and so is the only one who can promote professional bodybuilding in Sydney. I wouldn't dream of promoting such a show. A few of us did run good shows back in 81-82 but eventually abandoned that as not being worth the effort. The muscleheads were still loyal to Paul no matter what the IFBB did.
There is no way anyone can make money on a pro show in Australia. Good luck to the Aussie pro show in Melbourne. You would have to spend a lot of money and risk losing heaps to even think about being a promoter.
Here is a photo I took last year. I would rather take photos that promote contests!
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The problem is Goodrum is he believes the bullshit he says. he believes is a great bodybuilder, personal trainer, businessman, gay lover, know-it-all. Buit in reality he has nothing to back up anything he says or does. He preaches to people who have done that and been there, yet he has done neither. He constantly is telling people how to do things he has no idea about. For some odd reason he is in a permanent state of delusion. It is borderline certifiable. He tries to get things by cutting corners and going through the hard work to acheive success. He bodybuilds yet he does not lift weights. He does some other fucking shit that does nothing and his results and placings prove that. Yet he will come on here and tell you how to weight train. He will comew on here and argue with successful personal trainers and tell them they are not doing it right yet he does not personal train people. I don't make fun of anyone except Goodrum and a few others that I decide to retaliate against just because bagging on Goodrum is getting boring. It is hard to bag on someone who just doesn't get it. It is like trying to talk to a guy with autism and is 100% retarded. You just can't talk to them.
Most of the guys on here are okay. Just a select few that it is so obvious they are on here to ruffle feathers. The internet lets them do that. Big deal. Goodrum though is a little dangerous because he could maybe get ahold of someone who is stupid and ignorant to anything to do with the health and fitness industry and he can hurt them or worse. But on here and other forums just about everybody knows he is a joke and just somebody who is a perfect target to spit on or make fun of. And Basile is right or whoever said something about showing his photo to anyone. I have emailed and showed his photos to many people and it really is funny when you see what they do or say. Really, do it at work tomorrow. Bring his photo up on your computer at work and show your co-workers his photo and tell them what he says. They will bust out laughing so hard. You will be the hit of your office.
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Isn't paul graham dead?
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Paul is still around as far as I know. He would be in his early seventies now. He has been financially successful in business and owns a nice home. He is still promoting contests and has a gym at Coogee Beach.
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Paul Graham is affiliated with the IFBB and so is the only one who can promote professional bodybuilding in Sydney. I wouldn't dream of promoting such a show. A few of us did run good shows back in 81-82 but eventually abandoned that as not being worth the effort. The muscleheads were still loyal to Paul no matter what the IFBB did.
There is no way anyone can make money on a pro show in Australia. Good luck to the Aussie pro show in Melbourne. You would have to spend a lot of money and risk losing heaps to even think about being a promoter.
Here is a photo I took last year. I would rather take photos that promote contests!
Wrong again Vince. Paul runs the amateurs and is Vice Pres of IFBB. I run the pro shows in Australia and will probably bring my show to Sydney before too long.
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I was thinking the same thing chopper was. I thought he died a while ago??
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Paul is still around as far as I know. He would be in his early seventies now. He has been financially successful in business and owns a nice home. He is still promoting contests and has a gym at Coogee Beach.
He recently sold his Coogee Gym but is keeping very well.
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Wrong again Vince. Paul runs the amateurs and is Vice Pres of IFBB. I run the pro shows in Australia and will probably bring my show to Sydney before too long.
At least he's consistant, Tony......always wrong and outdated
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Paul is still around as far as I know. He would be in his early seventies now. He has been financially successful in business and owns a nice home. He is still promoting contests and has a gym at Coogee Beach.
So who is the promoter this year Vince?
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Wrong again Vince. Paul runs the amateurs and is Vice Pres of IFBB. I run the pro shows in Australia and will probably bring my show to Sydney before too long.
can't anyone run a pro show if they pay the sanction fee?
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I don't attend most shows put on by Paul. In the old days all the gym owners used to go to contests and it was a good way to say hello. Paul has been a bit divisive so we tend to stay away. Well, I don't go any more. Paul doesn't like dealing with the public and he has sold most of his gyms. That is smart. Make money when you can.
Thanks, Tony, for the update. Nice to see that Chick is still posting on Getbig. I guess he doesn't have much to say nowadays.
Good luck on having successful pro shows here in Sydney. There is a market for sure but somehow you have to time the show to make sure all the top guys compete otherwise the locals won't pay good money to see such a show.
Photo taken in Tony's gym in Melbourne.
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the enmore theatre in sydney would be good for a pro show tony!
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Luke wood should run a pro show at least that way he is still involved and he can make a little cash.
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We have a successful fitness exhibition in May or June every year in Sydney. Whether anyone could promote successful professional bodybuilding shows is another thing. Paul lost money on the Mr Olympia in 1980. If any show should be financially successful it should be the Mr Olympia. However, holding a contest in Sydney means you have to pay for expensive air travel then accommodation. I think Paul had to bring in officials and judges as well. That would have cost a fortune.
Sydney has 4 million people. There are 5 million people nearby if you count Wollongong and Newcastle. So the market is here and there are a lot of gyms around.
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Luke could be the go to man.
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We have a successful fitness exhibition in May or June every year in Sydney. Whether anyone could promote successful professional bodybuilding shows is another thing. Paul lost money on the Mr Olympia in 1980. If any show should be financially successful it should be the Mr Olympia. However, holding a contest in Sydney means you have to pay for expensive air travel then accommodation. I think Paul had to bring in officials and judges as well. That would have cost a fortune.
Sydney has 4 million people. There are 5 million people nearby if you count Wollongong and Newcastle. So the market is here and there are a lot of gyms around.
Hi Vince, if I do it in Sydney, I will make it work.
That photo you posted is of the mechanics next door to me which is ironic because he moved out and I just leased that building to expand my gym by another 30%.
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Luke could be the go to man.
what for free tickets?
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Sorry, Tony, I resized the wrong photo. Eyes not so good nowadays. Replaced it with the right photo.
Tony, do you actually make a profit from promoting the Pro show in Melbourne or do you do it as part of promoting your gyms?
Another photo inside Tony's impressive gym in Melbourne. Lots of good equipment there.
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Gosh, Tony, how many rooms will your gym have when you do the expansion?
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We have a successful fitness exhibition in May or June every year in Sydney. Whether anyone could promote successful professional bodybuilding shows is another thing. Paul lost money on the Mr Olympia in 1980. If any show should be financially successful it should be the Mr Olympia. However, holding a contest in Sydney means you have to pay for expensive air travel then accommodation. I think Paul had to bring in officials and judges as well. That would have cost a fortune.
Sydney has 4 million people. There are 5 million people nearby if you count Wollongong and Newcastle. So the market is here and there are a lot of gyms around.
I have actually worked out there before on trip to Sidney, nice gym brings back memories.
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Gosh, Tony, how many rooms will your gym have when you do the expansion?
Nice shot of Paul with Arnold and Franco Vince.
The gym will have about 6 rooms when I am done. I have repainted and renovated the whole place since you were here last year.
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I do however you need to do the same bicep shot......AWAY FROM THE CAMERA. Then you'll see how small your arms really are
No, you need to post the same bicep shot. Last summer was the first time in my life that I've ever taken those bodybuilding type pictures except when I was writing about calf training on IronAge. The only other pics I have is the arm shot and the other two all of which I just took recently. I sure you have hundreds of bodybuilding pics of yourself. You can't find one that is similar. If not, and you're so sure your arm is better just do what I did. Just get your camera and take a pic.
I never said I was a bodybuilder, never aspired to be a bodybuilder and even stated openly, when Method101 claimed that his arm was 16 inches, that I don't have big arms. But compared to you the difference is glaring. You have no real arm development to speak of. Post the very best shot you can find or take right now and you'll see. Actually, you won't see but everyone else will.
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Actually it was Pellius aka drugged, dazed, & wrinkled who involved himself into this spat. I don't think I've ever said anything about him until now but I've always thought that he was taking too many drugs for very little results and that he should stay out of the sun
All I said was that I don't know how much Coach makes but I know the area that he lives and I bet his house payment is more than what you take home. Probably more than what the average American makes because I think it's around $38,000 before taxes. That's maybe 2 grand a month. I'm sure Coach's house payment is more than that. Here was your meltdown reply:
Who asked your wrinkled dried up ass???
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Tony, not so sure about the dark walls. Your place sure has a lot of rooms. When I first went inside I didn't think it was very big or well equipped but when I saw the other rooms I had to change my mind. Not the ideal layout but you have collected a lot of effective and varied equipment for the lads. Your boxing room has character, complete with an old school boxing instructor. I met him and he made me feel at home there.
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Agreed. He is only here to talk about Vince. He has one foot in the grave and how does he choose to spend his last couple of years? Stalking a gay black dude who lives halfway across the world. Weird dude.
Nah, Basile is very knowlegable about bodybuilding and has offered a lot, whether you agree or disagree, on how to make this a respectable sport. He also has a lot of ideas on training and nutrition that he has developed from decades in the sport. Melvin just brings out the worse in him. I think Bob Chick does to but in a different way.
At least he has some fight left in him.
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Tony, I hope you don't mind my posting some photos of your gym. You weren't there when I visited so I wanted to take some photos of things that stood out. Like your wall of fame. Lots of good photos of the bodybuilding scene there. I can send you a CD with the originals if you like.
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I gotta tell you, as much as Basile likes to talk (and he can talk) about himself or his gym or his past or about BB and streoids and whatever else. I all basically refers to BB. No matter what anyone says about him, he competed, he won shows, he has been in the industry since most of the people on here have been alive, he has met just about everyone people talk about on here and he has a gym that has survived over 50 years. One thing I have found out about getting old and that is you do talk about your past alot. The reason is simple, it is something to talk about. Some of us have more to say than others and some of us have more interesting things to say than others. But, I bet you anything that not one person who complains about Basile, me or anyone else who talks about the past is over 40 years old. You guys don't have a past yet. Hell, I never talked about my past either before I hit 40. I lived a pretty damm good life till I hit 40. My past was making me money and keeping my name out there till I was 40. Now the past 10 years I haven't done anything worthwhile except gain weight and get weaker. Why the fuck would I want to talk about the past ten years. And no matter what the youngsters say on here when you get older you are going to talk about your past cause it is when it was the best. My past still to this day gets me things and supports me. Not as much as when I was actually living it but it does help me alot.
Basile and me and other go after Goodrum cause he is a fucking moron who constantly posts worthless shit thinking he knows it all. he has done nothing in his life. he is telling Basile how to run a gymn and evertything associated with gym when in fact he doesn't even go to a gym, owned a gym or had anything to do with a gym. Basile has been in business longer than most people on here have been alive. He is still in business and makes his own eqquipment that looks great. How in the fuck does someone like Goodrum tell Basile how to run a gym, or someone like Coach how to train people, or REAL competitors how to compete. he is a joke and a menace and whenever you can take a shot at him the better.
Anyway, that is my "old talk".
Hah! I'm the same way regaling the young bucks about the days training with the Gracies before UFC and the MMA revolution. Those were the days of challenges and closed door fights and Mundial champs (most prestigious Jiu-Jitsu tournament) coming to LA to roll with Rickson and getting school.
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Hey, Pellius, you still arguing with Goodrum? If that dude pisses you off you will never be at peace. If someone who has done something bags you then you have to put your thinking cap on. When you return to a thread the next day it reveals you are worried about what Goodrum has said about you. So, he is a good shit stirrer! Maybe you and him can have a showdown at the next hillbilly show he is doing. That would put an end to all this internet bullshit and posturing.
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It is good to see that some post to defend Melvin Goodrum. Danielson is another guy who hasn't paid his dues so I guess he identifies with hapless Goodrum and feels sorry that Keith and I bag him almost every week. I don't pick on the little guys at my gym. I joke with the big guys and have fun in the gym. Actually, training by lifting weights has never been fun for anyone. Guys like Danielson and Goodrum who don't train much aren't bodybuilders because that isn't their main focus. Goodrum enters contests but wtf does he think he is doing by not training hard in the first place? Sure, the last competition Goodrum finally showed up with some definition which was an improvement. However, he lost so much size in the process that he still placed last. Has the penny fallen yet? Does he comprehend that just maybe bodybuilding is a difficult pastime and few ever win titles? Nope, this nincompoop boasts how he will soon be a professional bodybuilder. That is so funny to those of us who have been around the Irongame. Goodrum is a gift to all forums because he is so delusional that he is unaware of his standing and believes success in everything he does is just around the corner. You can go back a couple of years and read the same thing. Goodrum never achieves much. Well, I forgot he did earn a PhD in metaphysics last year which was amazing because he got one over a weekend! What a dreamer. What a buffoon.
I don't think anybody actually defends Melvin. It's too embarassing. They may bag on his attackers, though.
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Where have I piled on Basile. I like the guy. he calls me in the middle of the night on numerous occassions and I talk to him. Do I come to his defense when he is in debate with guys lioke Goodrum. NO. Why should I? He doesn't need help. Either do I. It is on record what I have done. It is on record what he has done. We dpon't hide like the big mouths on here who say anything they want yet hide behind fake names and no photos. Goodrum doesn't hide because he is too stupid to realize everyone is making fun of him. he has an excuse. And me being attacked is funny cause the people who attack me are the ones that grew up and are still the same people who are usually ignored by others and havew absolutely nothing going for them. Do you honestly think anything people like Goodrum and a few others really do anything to me. I laugh out loud almost everytime I read shit they post.
I've gotten in some heated arguments with old Vince but I have to admit to having a soft spot for him myself. I have a feeling in person he's a cool and amiable fella to hang out with.
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I don't think anybody actually defends Melvin. It's too embarassing. They may bag on his attackers, though.
LMAO ;D
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Tony, can your members park in the big lot across the street? It would be handy but I think people had to pay to park there.
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Hey, Pellius, you still arguing with Goodrum? If that dude pisses you off you will never be at peace. If someone who has done something bags you then you have to put your thinking cap on. When you return to a thread the next day it reveals you are worried about what Goodrum has said about you. So, he is a good shit stirrer! Maybe you and him can have a showdown at the next hillbilly show he is doing. That would put an end to all this internet bullshit and posturing.
LOL! I know I would look like a joke on stage. But at least I know it.
I'll find peace in Heaven. To me life is a constant battle. Whether it's arguing with Melvin, throwing hands in the parking lot with some Hawaiian who thought I cut him off, going to the gym, or just getting out of bed in the morning. Plus, there's a lot of bad people in this world that do bad things and most people just warm the bench and wait for someone else to take care of it.
From that perspective I think that being a fighter, i.e., having a fighting spirit, is the greatest thing a man can have in his soul.
Besides, I've just discover Melvin. I never really followed him and paid much attention to your beef with him. I never knew what the fuss was about. He just seemed like a guy who loves bodybuilding and whether he's wildly successful or not he built his own business and is supporting himself. There's something to be said for that. I just didn't realize the pathological self-delusion that he seems to be afflicted with.
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i know vince won't respond to this but i have to ask
seriously, why do you feel you have to prove things to a bunch of strangers on the internet?
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Tony, can your members park in the big lot across the street? It would be handy but I think people had to pay to park there.
So that MessiahOfMuscle guy is THEE Tony Doherty? Cool. I've got to get to the land down under some day. Good surfing over there. I'd love to train at Tony's and Vince's gym.
Awesome gym.
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i know vince won't respond to this but i have to ask
seriously, why do you feel you have to prove things to a bunch of strangers on the internet?
"Post my pic, bitch!"
LOL!
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Melvin Goodrum is an endless source of entertainment. If you do a search of Getbig using his name you will be provided with heaps of posts and threads going back several years. Read some of those and get up to date on this self-styled internet hero. He is the reverse of that but is too oblivious to figure that out. He read somewhere that no news is bad news for promoting himself so carries on as if he is an internet legend. When you try to see what he has been successful at you come up with a blank. Lots of smoke but no fire. Heaps of businesses but most on line and none of them amounted to anything at all. At best he has businesses that he can write off as losses. Trouble is he doesn't make enough profit to have to worry about needing an accountant.
His success on stage is also legendary. No one before or since has done so much with so little!
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I think Goodrum was practicing the Michael Jackson moon walk in that pic.
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Melvin Goodrum is an endless source of entertainment. If you do a search of Getbig using his name you will be provided with heaps of posts and threads going back several years. Read some of those and get up to date on this self-styled internet hero. He is the reverse of that but is too oblivious to figure that out. He read somewhere that no news is bad news for promoting himself so carries on as if he is an internet legend. When you try to see what he has been successful at you come up with a blank. Lots of smoke but no fire. Heaps of businesses but most on line and none of them amounted to anything at all. At best he has businesses that he can write off as losses. Trouble is he doesn't make enough profit to have to worry about needing an accountant.
His success on stage is also legendary. No one before or since has done so much with so little!
STOP IT! It's getting to the point where I'M starting to feel so embarrassed that I just want to leave the room. Of course, I come from a generation where we were taught a sense of shame.
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I'll say a few things positive about Goodrum.
He's endowed with long muscle attachments. He does not have an excessive fat problem. He has decent proportions. If he applied himself and trained properly for a few years, he could probably build a good physique.
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I'll say a few things positive about Goodrum.
He's endowed with long muscle attachments. He does not have an excessive fat problem. He has decent proportions. If he applied himself and trained properly for a few years, he could probably build a good physique.
How long has he been training? And how can you tell he has long muscle attachments when you really can't see any muscle?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361562;image)
And he says I have a saggy/no chest. The only thing visible on his chest is that lump of fat under his nipples.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361686;image)
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I'll say a few things positive about Goodrum.
He's endowed with long muscle attachments. He does not have an excessive fat problem. He has decent proportions. If he applied himself and trained properly for a few years, he could probably build a good physique.
X2
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"Post my pic, bitch!"
LOL!
i know
and notice how vince doesn't answer my question
vince has always had a habit of avoiding my quesitons
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i know
and notice how vince doesn't answer my question
vince has always had a habit of avoiding my quesitons
Same here he chooses who he replies to.
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How long has he been training? And how can you tell he has long muscle attachments when you really can't see any muscle?
And he says I have a saggy/no chest. The only thing visible on his chest is that lump of fat under his nipples.
He has long biceps, he has good quads. He has broad shoulders. Yes, chest is a weak point.
But, he has some foundations to build with. I've seen a lot of people with less surprise me.
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Same here he chooses who he replies to.
yes
he chooses to talk to a bisexual, flim-flam man instead of me
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He has long biceps, he has good quads. He has broad shoulders. Yes, chest is a weak point.
But, he has some foundations to build with. I've seen a lot of people with less surprise me.
OK, my friend, I just don't see it. If I saw him at the pool there is nothing about him to make me think he has ever touched a weight in his life. I'm looking at my neighbor right now who is fifteen years old and he has better quads and calves than Melvin. Of course he's part Samoan.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361569;image)
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How long has he been training? And how can you tell he has long muscle attachments when you really can't see any muscle?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361562;image)
And he says I have a saggy/no chest. The only thing visible on his chest is that lump of fat under his nipples.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=361686;image)
My chest is perfectly fine now. Post all the old pictures you want but the fact is that I look better than you and more healthy.
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My chest is perfectly fine now. Post all the old pictures you want but the fact is that I look better than you and more healthy.
OK, fair enough. I'm just getting those pics from this thread and admittedly I don't know when, where or in what context they were from.
Post a recent pic of your chest and bicep now. Mine were take just a few days ago on a whim because I was being given a hard time for the ones that were taken in the summer when I was sun burnt and spending a lot of time at the beach. It's not like I trained or prepared for any of these photo sessions. There's really no on or off season for me as I'm not a competitive bodybuilder.
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QED!! Who else but an oblvious dude would repost those photos supporting his notion that he looked great and better than a ripped older guy? You got it, No Shame Goodrum!
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Pellius, Goodrum is handing you some serious motivation as a gift. Start training as a bodybuilder and eating like one and show this hillbilly what you can do. That will impress everyone here. Otherwise, it is just two wannabes clashing on the internet like two ships passing in the ocean at night.
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Look at Goodrum's back there. Not bad for a novice. Good potential but he needs some serious size with arms that long. I would say he needs at least 30 pounds of muscle to look big on his frame. Ditto for Pellius so we have set the stage for a showdown next year at the Arnold!
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He has long biceps, he has good quads. He has broad shoulders. Yes, chest is a weak point.
But, he has some foundations to build with. I've seen a lot of people with less surprise me.
I always speak with the judges after a show to ask what to improve on and what to do. Right now, its a matter of coming in more refined and working on weak parts. I have as much chance at winning a show as anyone else at this point and we'll all see in 3 months. I'm training hard and heavy and my diet is going fine with the chances I made this year to it.
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OK, fair enough. I'm just getting those pics from this thread and admittedly I don't know when, where or in what context they were from.
Post a recent pic of your chest and bicep now. Mine were take just a few days ago on a whim because I was being given a hard time for the ones that were taken in the summer when I was sun burnt and spending a lot of time at the beach. It's not like I trained or prepared for any of these photo sessions. There's really no on or off season for me as I'm not a competitive bodybuilder.
As with all my show, I post from 12 weeks out to contest day which is why there are a lot of off season pictures. New ones will be posted in 2 weeks as I'm now dieting for my show in June.
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QED!! Who else but an oblvious dude would repost those photos supporting his notion that he looked great and better than a ripped older guy? You got it, No Shame Goodrum!
Wow, that picture is from 2004....6 years ago when I trained at the GAC. Just how many pictures of me do you have because I don't even have that picture anymore as its in storage??? You sure are obsessed at looking at me.
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Melvin, you don't have enough muscle on your frame to refine it much more. Talking to judges after a show is not always helpful. What do you expect them to say? They aren't always honest because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. You can go by what the lads here tell you. They don't hold anything back. If you look like crap they will tell you. If you have improved you will hear that, too.
You have to really train hard and build up some size and for you that means about 2 or 3 years of serious training. You are so obsessed about winning a place in a contest that you forget that bodybuilding is about building a large muscular body. Then you chisel away until you are ripped and ready. You are still looking for a shortcut and will get the same result Arvilla got in his last show. Nowhere.
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Pellius, Goodrum is handing you some serious motivation as a gift. Start training as a bodybuilder and eating like one and show this hillbilly what you can do. That will impress everyone here. Otherwise, it is just two wannabes clashing on the internet like two ships passing in the ocean at night.
LOL! Not only am I not a wannabe but I am a never was. Alas, no glittering thongs for me. But I am slowing down so maybe I'll do less circuit training and start resting between sets more and try to lift some heavier weight. Maybe that, and being less active I'll start putting on a few pounds.
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Melvin, you don't have enough muscle on your frame to refine it much more. Talking to judges after a show is not always helpful. What do you expect them to say? They aren't always honest because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. You can go by what the lads here tell you. They don't hold anything back. If you look like crap they will tell you. If you have improved you will hear that, too.
You have to really train hard and build up some size and for you that means about 2 or 3 years of serious training. You are so obsessed about winning a place in a contest that you forget that bodybuilding is about building a large muscular body. Then you chisel away until you are ripped and ready. You are still looking for a shortcut and will get the same result Arvilla got in his last show. Nowhere.
You are a creepy old man, we tell you that and you don't listen. And who the fuck are you calling obsessed? You have been stalking Vince for YEARS.
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Melvin, you don't have enough muscle on your frame to refine it much more. Talking to judges after a show is not always helpful. What do you expect them to say? They aren't always honest because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. You can go by what the lads here tell you. They don't hold anything back. If you look like crap they will tell you. If you have improved you will hear that, too.
You have to really train hard and build up some size and for you that means about 2 or 3 years of serious training. You are so obsessed about winning a place in a contest that you forget that bodybuilding is about building a large muscular body. Then you chisel away until you are ripped and ready. You are still looking for a shortcut and will get the same result Arvilla got in his last show. Nowhere.
Unlike you Basile, I'm not popping Dianabols like tic tacs. I've seen your non-drug photos and you looked
Now its time to embarrass you and give you some shame for messing with me. Ladies and Gentleman. I present to you this fine and creepy piece of writing. Don't bother locking it up because I've already saved the entire screen. May I ask why are you taking pictures of obvious teenagers without any permission from their parents???
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11257377_2jdcH#789696144_kVvrC
I was shooting Katoomba Falls and noticed some lads enjoying the waterfall so took several photos of them. About half an hour later they were up at the lookout where I was and I recognized them and told them I had taken some photos. So I got them to pose for a few more just to identify them and have some good snaps for souvenirs. Naturally, most of these people are tourists enjoying the beautiful Blue Mountains. These lads were fit because it didn't take them long to walk up out of the valley below.
So Basile, Do you enjoy taking pictures of "young lads" that are complete strangers. Did you ask their parents permission to take their pictures???
BTW, I put it in the purple font just like you like it
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i hate vince and melvin
they don't realize that their back and forth takes away precious bandwidth from the internet and what really matters-.......lesbian porn
then again, they are both homosexuals so they wouldn't understand
ps...go fuck yourself, Vince Basile
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As with all my show, I post from 12 weeks out to contest day which is why there are a lot of off season pictures. New ones will be posted in 2 weeks as I'm now dieting for my show in June.
OK, that's fair enough. Try to post it on the G&O board and not the picture board as I don't really go to the other boards. Hell, I waste enough of my life here. I'll be on the look out for your pics.
To paraphase Arnold as he said to Lou in PI:
"I watch you now, Melvin. I watch you all the time."
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Danielson, aren't you the asshole who made up a PM I never sent you and posted it on Getbig in order to discredit me? Yes, that is the type of dickhead you are. I made you apologize but you still try to bag me.
For your information I also try to help Melvin but he doesn't want my help and even suggested I was interested in him. Good grief, no thanks, I am definitely not gay. I used to think it would he great if someone would take Melvin aside and really train him so he gets big and will show the Flotsam here. That won't happen. He got some good advice about contest preparation but still needs more size. Left to his own resources we will get more of the same from Goodrum. Come to think about it we get more of the same from everyone here including Danielson.
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Johnnybigname is a dude who posts all that rubbish then wonders why he needs to post on Getbig for advice and friendship.
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You are a creepy old man, we tell you that and you don't listen. And who the fuck are you calling obsessed? You have been stalking Vince for YEARS.
I resent that! And it's now become a very sensitive issue with me. I'm just creepy, OK.
CREEPY!!!!
I have a lot of good years... wait, you're talking to Basile? Nevermind.
Like I said, it's become a sensitive issue with me lately. All that money wasted of resveratrol.
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Danielson, aren't you the asshole who made up a PM I never sent you and posted it on Getbig in order to discredit me? Yes, that is the type of dickhead you are. I made you apologize but you still try to bag me.
For your information I also try to help Melvin but he doesn't want my help and even suggested I was interested in him. Good grief, no thanks, I am definitely not gay. I used to think it would he great if someone would take Melvin aside and really train him so he gets big and will show the Flotsam here. That won't happen. He got some good advice about contest preparation but still needs more size. Left to his own resources we will get more of the same from Goodrum. Come to think about it we get more of the same from everyone here including Danielson.
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Johnnybigname is a dude who posts all that rubbish then wonders why he needs to post on Getbig for advice and friendship.
hahahahahha
i made you respond to me- the gay comment must have touched a nerve with you Liberace
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Lads on Carlo's Blow at Rainbow Beach May 2009?????
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Danielson, aren't you the asshole who made up a PM I never sent you and posted it on Getbig in order to discredit me? Yes, that is the type of dickhead you are. I made you apologize but you still try to bag me.
For your information I also try to help Melvin but he doesn't want my help and even suggested I was interested in him. Good grief, no thanks, I am definitely not gay. I used to think it would he great if someone would take Melvin aside and really train him so he gets big and will show the Flotsam here. That won't happen. He got some good advice about contest preparation but still needs more size. Left to his own resources we will get more of the same from Goodrum. Come to think about it we get more of the same from everyone here including Danielson.
When you thought I was underage you PMed me and asked for nude photos, it's no secret, everyone read the PMs. That has nothing to do with the fact that you are spending the better part of your 80s obsessing over a guy on the internet. If he was a pre-teen I would get it as we all know that is your "type"(as further witnessed by your photos of the young lads), but why obsess over Vince for 4 plus years?
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Look at Melvin harvesting photos and posting them on Getbig. Why would you do that? I am a photographer and heaps of people get me to take their photo at popular tourist sights because I have a good camera and they think I am a pro. Sometimes I take photos and post them on my site so they can get them free of charge and at the original size. I am doing them a favour and they are always grateful.
Those young guys from Germany weren't teenagers but probably in their early 20s. They were happy to pose for those photos because they would be getting them as souvenirs. I take photos of couples young and old. They pose and I shoot. All part of the fun of taking photos.
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When you thought I was underage you PMed me and asked for nude photos, it's no secret, everyone read the PMs. That has nothing to do with the fact that you are spending the better part of your 80s obsessing over a guy on the internet. If he was a pre-teen I would get it as we all know that is your "type"(as further witnessed by your photos of the young lads), but why obsess over Vince for 4 plus years?
are you kidding..
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are you kidding..
No, I am not kidding. I would post the PMs, but Ron changed the storage rule on here a few years ago and I had to delete like 10,000 pms. I had a few dozen from Basile asking me for nude pics. Check out the pics he takes of the "young lads".
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Johnnybigname is a dude who posts all that rubbish then wonders why he needs to post on Getbig for advice and friendship.
JNN is a top tier poster and the funniest guy on this board. Where else are going to read stuff like this (making reference to Arvilla's girl friend).
"if there is a God then ,someday, she will have me mounted on a bed with a knife to my throat"
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No, I am not kidding. I would post the PMs, but Ron changed the storage rule on here a few years ago and I had to delete like 10,000 pms. I had a few dozen from Basile asking me for nude pics. Check out the pics he takes of the "young lads".
ugh fucking disturbing to say the least Danielson
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Look at Melvin harvesting photos and posting them on Getbig. Why would you do that? I am a photographer and heaps of people get me to take their photo at popular tourist sights because I have a good camera and they think I am a pro. Sometimes I take photos and post them on my site so they can get them free of charge and at the original size. I am doing them a favour and they are always grateful.
Those young guys from Germany weren't teenagers but probably in their early 20s. They were happy to pose for those photos because they would be getting them as souvenirs. I take photos of couples young and old. They pose and I shoot. All part of the fun of taking photos.
Did you check their driver's license??? I'm sorry but going up to 3 shirtless twinks and asked to take pictures of them is kinda strange.
Did you invite them to your gym for a special after hours workout on one of your new pull up machine you invented.
(http://www.ygshop.co.uk/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/SEX_SLING_4adf21ff5637c.jpg)
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When you thought I was underage you PMed me and asked for nude photos, it's no secret, everyone read the PMs. That has nothing to do with the fact that you are spending the better part of your 80s obsessing over a guy on the internet. If he was a pre-teen I would get it as we all know that is your "type"(as further witnessed by your photos of the young lads), but why obsess over Vince for 4 plus years?
Okay, Danielson, you are slandering me. I never asked you for nude photos. You were crapping on in a thread and I wanted evidence that you were a bodybuilder so told you to post photos showing you were a bodybuilder. We found out you lift weights for a hobby and post on the net in between business deals. So don't try to make it look like I was interested in you or any other male on this forum or anywhere else.
I don't obsess over Goodrum. He bags me as much as I bag him. This is between him and me. I use stuff he has posted on this forum whereas he makes up shit or goes to my site to get photos that are not intended to be posted on a muscle forum. I don't post photos of Queen Vissy here. That is now Melvin's partner and I respect that Vissy is out of bounds. Melvin has posted a photo of my mother on Getbig and that was way out of line. I guess he was trying to get even for so many bagging him over the years. Danielson doesn't play fair. Why is he interested in defending and protecting Melvin? What interest does he have in Goodrum? Well, probably no interest at all but he feels I am not being fair unloading on Goodrum all the time.
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No, I am not kidding. I would post the PMs, but Ron changed the storage rule on here a few years ago and I had to delete like 10,000 pms. I had a few dozen from Basile asking me for nude pics. Check out the pics he takes of the "young lads".
So how old are you? What do you look like? Are you hot ?(no homo)
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no surprise to see pellius trying to jump on the bandwagon and try to "belong". I'd worry more about your chest sagging than anyone else's. and take your tongue out of JNN's asshole, it's starting to smell of shit in here, brown noser ::)
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No, I am not kidding. I would post the PMs, but Ron changed the storage rule on here a few years ago and I had to delete like 10,000 pms. I had a few dozen from Basile asking me for nude pics. Check out the pics he takes of the "young lads".
Post them you son of a bitch. You are a lying prick. I never sent you any such thing. I will see if I can find your apology.
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JNN is a top tier poster and the funniest guy on this board. Where else are going to read stuff like this (making reference to Arvilla's girl friend).
"if there is a God then ,someday, she will have me mounted on a bed with a knife to my throat"
i'm, particularly, proud of that post because it came, truly, from within.......
..........i think it came from my prostate or balls actually
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no surprise to see pellius trying to jump on the bandwagon and try to "belong". I'd worry more about your chest sagging than anyone else's. and take your tongue out of JNN's asshole, it's starting to smell of shit in here, brown noser ::)
Susan you fucking kill me BRUTAL
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So how old are you? What do you look like? Are you hot ?(no homo)
I am 35, way too old for Basile. He likes his lads young lol.
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no surprise to see pellius trying to jump on the bandwagon and try to "belong". I'd worry more about your chest sagging than anyone else's. and take your tongue out of JNN's asshole, it's starting to smell of shit in here, brown noser ::)
Still obsessing over me and posting my pics. When are you going to post yours?
I so own you SquadFather.
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i'm, particularly, proud of that post because it came, truly, from within.......
..........i think it came from my prostate or balls actually
SusanFitness/SquadFather likes it and gets jealous if anybody compliments your biting wit. As a recently pre-op xdresser she/he wants you all to herself.
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Vince, I'm not judging you at all but did you not feel at least a little awkward asking those topless young lads if you can photograph them? Do some of the guys not like it?
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Susan you fucking kill me BRUTAL
But this SquadFather gimmick will never post a pic.
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When you thought I was underage you PMed me and asked for nude photos, it's no secret, everyone read the PMs. That has nothing to do with the fact that you are spending the better part of your 80s obsessing over a guy on the internet. If he was a pre-teen I would get it as we all know that is your "type"(as further witnessed by your photos of the young lads), but why obsess over Vince for 4 plus years?
Danielson are you serious about this? Thats a pretty serious accusation...damn!
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Danielson are you serious about this? Thats a pretty serious accusation...damn!
Did you see the pictures he takes of "young lads"? You can't be surprised by this.
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Did you see the pictures he takes of "young lads"? You can't be surprised by this.
No, I don't follow too much of Basile's posts or threads. I just started this one because of what I read on Ironage then all of this turned into a 19 page thread!
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Did you see the pictures he takes of "young lads"? You can't be surprised by this.
That's one thing but you claimed that he wanted nude pics of you thinking you were under 18. That's quite a bit different from bodybuilding type pics since this is a bodybuilding board.
That is a serious charge and requires some proof.
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That's one thing but you claimed that he wanted nude pics of you thinking you were under 18. That's quite a bit different from bodybuilding type pics since this is a bodybuilding board.
That is a serious charge and requires some proof.
You think these young lads are bodybuilder types? These are the kinds of pics Vince takes himself and posts for other old perverts.
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11257377_2jdcH#789696144_kVvrC
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Maybe to the flotsam on Getbig it is unnatural to glory in the physique of a young male but blokes like me who like beer and women can always find time to enjoy a topless lad. What I find strange is that Ron does not ban people who call me a white van man and boy-lover. Really, in China a man my age would be treated as a font of knowledge and not the butt of poor and uncouth humour. Then again, what can one expect when Melvin is a self-professed expert and calls himself a bodybuilder on here? This bloke must take delusion to new heights and I wouldn't even want to photograph him topless, despite having a hardrive stuffed full of his semi-nude pictures. Talking of stuffed can anyone remember a bodybuilder compete with his testicles exposed? Only poor Melvin could indulge in such folly and hilarity. Trunks too small. No, this bloke really is short of sixpack. I do sometimes wonder what it must be like to be Vissy, beneath this sweaty black beast,him grunting and groaning as he turns one's arse into raw hamburger meat. I would probably try it once just for the comedic value.
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no surprise to see pellius trying to jump on the bandwagon and try to "belong". I'd worry more about your chest sagging than anyone else's. and take your tongue out of JNN's asshole, it's starting to smell of shit in here, brown noser ::)
It's funny that the first thing you do when you come on this board is look for my latest posts so you can comment on it. I'm so in your head Squaddy.
Still no comment on why you deleted that post of yours? Still no pic showing how much better you look than I do?
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You think these young lads are bodybuilder types? These are the kinds of pics Vince takes himself and posts for other old perverts.
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11257377_2jdcH#789696144_kVvrC
No. But I'm specifically concerned with the accusation you made.
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No. But I'm specifically concerned with the accusation you made.
I am concerned too. Concerned that this old perv is still free to roam this site looking for pics of pre-teen cock. I don't have the PMs, Ron made a limit so I had to delete all my PMs, but all the guys in the know a few years back saw them.
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Maybe to the flotsam on Getbig it is unnatural to glory in the physique of a young male but blokes like me who like beer and women can always find time to enjoy a topless lad. What I find strange is that Ron does not ban people who call me a white van man and boy-lover. Really, in China a man my age would be treated as a font of knowledge and not the butt of poor and uncouth humour. Then again, what can one expect when Melvin is a self-professed expert and calls himself a bodybuilder on here? This bloke must take delusion to new heights and I wouldn't even want to photograph him topless, despite having a hardrive stuffed full of his semi-nude pictures. Talking of stuffed can anyone remember a bodybuilder compete with his testicles exposed? Only poor Melvin could indulge in such folly and hilarity. Trunks too small. No, this bloke really is short of sixpack. I do sometimes wonder what it must be like to be Vissy, beneath this sweaty black beast,him grunting and groaning as he turns one's arse into raw hamburger meat. I would probably try it once just for the comedic value.
;D
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BTW Danielson, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you but calling someone a pedophile, even in jest, is a bit over line. I've jokingly made that implication against Vince before and he called me on it and I retracted/deleted my remark.
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BTW Danielson, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you but calling someone a pedophile, even in jest, is a bit over line. I've jokingly made that implication against Vince before and he called me on it and I retracted/deleted my remark.
NP, he knows exactly what he is and those disgusting pics he took of the young lads just further proves it.
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I am concerned too. Concerned that this old perv is still free to roam this site looking for pics of pre-teen cock. I don't have the PMs, Ron made a limit so I had to delete all my PMs, but all the guys in the know a few years back saw them.
Hmm, I don't know what to say. I don't know you or Vince well enough. It just seems to me that if you were looking for "pre-teen cock" there would be other better places on the net than here. A lot of us act like children here (present company included) but I doubt that that are very many teens or pre-teens.
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pellius looks like the kind of "man" who enjoys the company of boys half his age.
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Maybe to the flotsam on Getbig it is unnatural to glory in the physique of a young male but blokes like me who like beer and women can always find time to enjoy a topless lad. What I find strange is that Ron does not ban people who call me a white van man and boy-lover. Really, in China a man my age would be treated as a font of knowledge and not the butt of poor and uncouth humour. Then again, what can one expect when Melvin is a self-professed expert and calls himself a bodybuilder on here? This bloke must take delusion to new heights and I wouldn't even want to photograph him topless, despite having a hardrive stuffed full of his semi-nude pictures. Talking of stuffed can anyone remember a bodybuilder compete with his testicles exposed? Only poor Melvin could indulge in such folly and hilarity. Trunks too small. No, this bloke really is short of sixpack. I do sometimes wonder what it must be like to be Vissy, beneath this sweaty black beast,him grunting and groaning as he turns one's arse into raw hamburger meat. I would probably try it once just for the comedic value.
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LMAO @ Danny's avatar. And he's right - Basile stalks Melvin.
Melvin never mentions Basile unless provoked, while Basile talks of nothing but Melvin. One word - obsessed.
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Pellius. You and I clashed on Ironage and then I posted to you here on Getbig and we sorted things out. That is what fair dinkum adults do. Danielson has been on my tail for years now just like that other prick Goat Boy was. Danielson pulled the same stunt before, not once but twice and had to retract his accusation twice. Now he is repeating this crap a third time. You would think a guy who is a businessman would have more civility than that but alas, he is now hiding behind some lame excuse that Ron doesn't have the archives. I have them.
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LMAO @ Danny's avatar. And he's right - Basile stalks Melvin.
Melvin never mentions Basile unless provoked, while Basile talks of nothing but Melvin. One word - obsessed.
Bullshit. Goodrum goes out of his way to bag me. Look at this thread for proof. He gives as good as he gets.
Go to page one of this thread. There is Goodrum posting a photo of underaged cheerleaders on Getbig. He got that photo from my high school web site. Now who is the dickhead here?
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kiwi person. Aren't you the bloke who has perfected what I post and have lampooned me on Getbig by posting in my style? Is that just having fun or an obsession. I put it down to fun.
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kiwi person. Aren't you the bloke who has perfected what I post and have lampooned me on Getbig by posting in my style? Is that just having fun or an obsession. I put it down to fun.
Haha yes, but you're not the only person I channel
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193577.msg3903970#msg3903970
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Danielson. I forgot you were the dude who acted like a vigilante who single-handedly harassed Howard after you or someone else found that he might have posted on a young student's site.
You have overstepped the mark and I am reporting your posts. No one should have to read crap like that from a true asshole such as you are proving to be.
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Danielson. I forgot you were the dude who acted like a vigilante who single-handedly harassed Howard after you or someone else found that he might have posted on a young student's site.
You have overstepped the mark and I am reporting your posts. No one should have to read crap like that from a true asshole such as you are proving to be.
Nah, that wasn't me. I think it was TA or Bastiano. And go ahead you sick fucker, I might report you for stalking and funeral crashing!
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Haha yes, but you're not the only person I channel
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193577.msg3903970#msg3903970
Solid gold. Talented man you are. Kinda like a 17 year old who is great at shooting pool...sign of misspent something ;D
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Great link Kiwiol..funny thread right der
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pellius looks like the kind of "man" who enjoys the company of boys half his age.
Actually you are starting to seem like the kind of "man" who enjoys older men. Find a pic to post yet. No need. Someone PMed me your GetBig offering. Now it is clear to me and everyone why you won't post a pic of yourself. You did once thinking "Hey, I'm pretty big and my arms look kind of big in this pic" but after the brutal flamings that was the beginning of the end for you and you were driven off this board only to come back with various gimmicks. The latest being "SusanFitness"
SquadFather/SusanFitness in all it's glory:
BOOM!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=225514.0;attach=264112;image)
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hahaha I have laughed at some of Basile's posts in this thread... once you "get" his schtick he is actually very entertaining
I think some of you have taken him the wrong way to get to the point of posting slander
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hahaha I have laughed at some of Basile's posts in this thread... once you "get" his schtick he is actually very entertaining
I think some of you have taken him the wrong way to get to the point of posting slander
I am inclined to agree with you.
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hahaha I have laughed at some of Basile's posts in this thread... once you "get" his schtick he is actually very entertaining
I think some of you have taken him the wrong way to get to the point of posting slander
I never respond or open any discussion with Basile however I do have to put him in his place when he decides to trash me.
I didn't slander him, I simply posted HIS WORDS and HIS PICTURES from his websites. I'm sorry but it is creepy for Basile to take pictures of shirtless twinks who are obviously not bodybuilders.
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hahaha I have laughed at some of Basile's posts in this thread... once you "get" his schtick he is actually very entertaining
I think some of you have taken him the wrong way to get to the point of posting slander
That shows you are intelligent. Wit is usually wasted on the Flotsam!
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I never respond or open any discussion with Basile however I do have to put him in his place when he decides to trash me.
I didn't slander him, I simply posted HIS WORDS and HIS PICTURES from his websites. I'm sorry but it is creepy for Basile to take pictures of shirtless twinks who are obviously not bodybuilders.
Listen to Goodrum trying to sound innocent. You try to get even after Keith and I bag you so you call him fat and you try to imply I am interested in young boys. What a loser you are to suggest that.
You overstep civility when you do that. For your information it is summer in Australia and lots of young guys walk around with shirts off. Especially guys who are on the hot sand or who just had a shower in the falls. Why do you go to my website to harvest photos? That proves nothing at all and shows what an asshole you are, Melvin. At least play fair here.
This is a typical thread on Getbig where it degenerates into a pissing match where everyone loses. Congratulations everyone.
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Okay something serious, I have some video I found on the internet of some armwrestling matches of me. Someone with a video camera took them and posted them. There are a few of them all from the Over the Top events. Total time is only about a minute or so. I want to take my short footage out of the videos and then put it all together into one video. I have CS4 pro. So I have Adobe Premier Pro. So I have what it takes to do this. I know it is simple. Can someone explain easily how to take out sections of a video so I can only have my footage. Thanks Oh fuck off Goodrum. Had to at least make it worth my while ;D
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Actually you are starting to seem like the kind of "man" who enjoys older men. Find a pic to post yet. No need. Someone PMed me your GetBig offering. Now it is clear to me and everyone why you won't post a pic of yourself. You did once thinking "Hey, I'm pretty big and my arms look kind of big in this pic" but after the brutal flamings that was the beginning of the end for you and you were driven off this board only to come back with various gimmicks. The latest being "SusanFitness"
SquadFather/SusanFitness in all it's glory:
BOOM!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=225514.0;attach=264112;image)
funny thing is that that dude would crush your skinny, duck-footed, African tribal-nosed, balding, jug-eared, pig titted, phaggot ass.
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Listen to Goodrum trying to sound innocent. You try to get even after Keith and I bag you
By your own words, Goodrum is innocent. He tries to get even AFTER you bag on him. It's been 4 years now, why don't you just leave the guy alone?
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funny thing is that that dude would crush your skinny, duck-footed, African tribal-nosed, balding, jug-eared, pig titted, phaggot ass.
no really speak your mind lol
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That shows you are intelligent. Wit is usually wasted on the Flotsam!
Vince, seriously here. I would ignore this particular topic completely. It is beneath you. You are a father and a grandfather and I don't like these accusations unless they can be proven. To me there is nothing incriminating about those pictures of the lads. You and I come from a different generation than these folks. I remember being a kid on a field trip at Hanauma Bay and the teachers taking pictures of us frolicking on the beach shirtless and even taking public showers, I mean out open on the beach, in just our underwear. Some of the photos were even published in the school newspaper. We were around 12-13 yrs I guess. We nor anybody else thought anything of it. Often parents just let their kids (say 5 yrs and under) swim nude at the beach.
We live in a different age today. In one sense very promiscuous with the premature sexualization of pre-teens and in another sense very uptight where every glance or flippant comment can be deemed sexual harassment.
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Vince, seriously here. I would ignore this particular topic completely. It is beneath you. You are a father and a grandfather and I don't like these accusations unless they can be proven. To me there is nothing incriminating about those pictures of the lads. You and I come from a different generation than these folks. I remember being a kid on a field trip at Hanauma Bay and the teachers taking pictures of us frolicking on the beach shirtless and even taking public showers, I mean out open on the beach, in just our underwear. Some of the photos were even published in the school newspaper. We were around 12-13 yrs I guess. We nor anybody else thought anything of it. Often parents just let their kids (say 5 yrs and under) swim nude at the beach.
We live in a different age today. In one sense very promiscuous with the premature sexualization of pre-teens and in another sense very uptight where every glance or flippant comment can be deemed sexual harassment.
You are talking to the same guy who crashed Lee Priests fathers funeral because he thought they were internet buddies, he lacks all common sense and social grace. Can you imagine your grandfather or father obsessing over a gay black man on the internet for YEARS? The guy is straight crazy.
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Vince, seriously here. I would ignore this particular topic completely. It is beneath you. You are a father and a grandfather and I don't like these accusations unless they can be proven. To me there is nothing incriminating about those pictures of the lads. You and I come from a different generation than these folks. I remember being a kid on a field trip at Hanauma Bay and the teachers taking pictures of us frolicking on the beach shirtless and even taking public showers, I mean out open on the beach, in just our underwear. Some of the photos were even published in the school newspaper. We were around 12-13 yrs I guess. We nor anybody else thought anything of it. Often parents just let their kids (say 5 yrs and under) swim nude at the beach.
We live in a different age today. In one sense very promiscuous with the premature sexualization of pre-teens and in another sense very uptight where every glance or flippant comment can be deemed sexual harassment.
honestly, no bullshit here, you sound like a creepy old queer.
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Pellius. You and I clashed on Ironage and then I posted to you here on Getbig and we sorted things out. That is what fair dinkum adults do. Danielson has been on my tail for years now just like that other prick Goat Boy was. Danielson pulled the same stunt before, not once but twice and had to retract his accusation twice. Now he is repeating this crap a third time. You would think a guy who is a businessman would have more civility than that but alas, he is now hiding behind some lame excuse that Ron doesn't have the archives. I have them. This asshole, Danielson, is scum. I post using my real name and it is quite foolish on this board. What do the lowlifes do? They can't piss me off except by inventing despicable charges against me. How low is that? Fuck those pricks. I don't use profane language in real life except when I am really pissed off. Danielson should be charged with slander and banned permanently from this site. So should everyone else who does what he does. In Australia it is hardly a joke to be accused of what Danielson is suggesting. What an asshole. Would this coward come to my gym and repeat those remarks? I would break his arm in a minute. The first 55 seconds would be catching the coward trying to run away!
I remember my clash with Pandaemonium when he posted a phony pm having me admitting that I had AIDS and to let up on me. To me that was over the line because in all or battles I never lied or made anything up. That image has stuck with some people that don't like me but it doesn't really bother me. I'll leave for people to look at me and see the active life style I lead and know that I'm not some sick or dying man.
What I don't like about the accusations against you is that it is one of those things that in a way you are guilty until proven innocent and even then there will always be a stigma. I just move to LA when that whole McMartin trial took place. It changed everything and now you got the impression that pedos were all over the place. Innocent lives were ruin permanently even though they were exonerated.
That's why I never ever allow myself to be alone with a kid being it my neighbor, niece, nephew, cousin.... All you need is one accusation and you're stigmatized for life.
Pity.
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I don't like going to funerals because of the hypocrisy. Lee is a Mr Australia and I am a Mr Canada so that is enough of a bond to attend. I was paying my respects to his grandfather who was a wonderful man and who openly accepted strangers in his neighbourhood and family. Lee wasn't upset that I was there. I like Lee and respect him as an individual and bodybuilder.
No grandfather with any common sense would post on Getbig, period. I do it to prove a point that I can. Guys like Danielson won't debate me in a serious fashion. Look at how he throws out accusation just like a coward who stones people from a crowd.
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funny thing is that that dude would crush your skinny, duck-footed, African tribal-nosed, balding, jug-eared, pig titted, phaggot ass.
Funny thing is that you wouldn't. You're a coward hiding behind a keyboard and by the looks of the shape you're in you would gas half way through a punch before falling to the ground sucking wind.
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You are talking to the same guy who crashed Lee Priests fathers funeral because he thought they were internet buddies, he lacks all common sense and social grace. Can you imagine your grandfather or father obsessing over a gay black man on the internet for YEARS? The guy is straight crazy.
OK, you got me on the Melvin thing but I never understood this "crashing" of a funeral thing. Unless it was specified that it was private I think going to someone's funeral is a way to show honor and respect. A former mayor in Hawaii just recently died and his service was packed, mostly by people the family did not know. But they knew him and wanted to pay their respects.
I don't know if Vince and Lee are buddied but they do know each other and by all accounts I don't think Lee was the least bit offended that Vince was at his father's funeral.
I don't know. I'm just not in a position to judge one way or another but for something like this I'd need more than just a sent PM that you deleted. No offense to you at all. I don't know you or your history with Vince.
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honestly, no bullshit here, you sound like a creepy old queer.
Honestly, no bullshit here, but you sound like you have serious issues.
Get an education. Then a job. And move out of that trailer park. At least you'll have a mirror to take a better pic.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=225514.0;attach=264112;image)
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I don't like going to funerals because of the hypocrisy. Lee is a Mr Australia and I am a Mr Canada so that is enough of a bond to attend. I was paying my respects to his grandfather who was a wonderful man and who openly accepted strangers in his neighbourhood and family. Lee wasn't upset that I was there. I like Lee and respect him as an individual and bodybuilder.
No grandfather with any common sense would post on Getbig, period. I do it to prove a point that I can. Guys like Danielson won't debate me in a serious fashion. Look at how he throws out accusation just like a coward who stones people from a crowd.
That's an old pic, here ya go. Sorry I am not a young lad :(
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This thread is gold, Ron should give stars just for this alone :))
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That's an old pic, here ya go. Sorry I am not a young lad :(
yea but that is a great picture
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That's an old pic, here ya go. Sorry I am not a young lad :(
Cute girl Danny, agree with you on all points about Basile.
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yea but that is a great picture
Thanks :)
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Cute girl Danny, agree with you on all points about Basile.
Thanks :)
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Correction on my last post, I meant to say Ron should give ME stars for this thread :)
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Well, Pellius, some of those lies will be believed by some of the people so that is a nasty thing to do. I hate all the crap that goes on in the internet. That some like Danielson make up shit is really reprehensible. There he is trying to use morality to make me look bad. He has bugger all so invents crap that I sent him a private message asking for a photo of him nude. What a jerk. If that asshole had the slightest evidence as proof it would be posted here. Take it from me the guy is just trying to score points on Getbig by trying to topple a tall poppy.
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Well, Pellius, some of those lies will be believed by some of the people so that is a nasty thing to do. I hate all the crap that goes on in the internet. That some like Danielson make up shit is really reprehensible. There he is trying to use morality to make me look bad. He has bugger all so invents crap that I sent him a private message asking for a photo of him nude. What a jerk. If that asshole had the slightest evidence as proof it would be posted here. Take if from me the guy is just trying to score points on Getbig by trying to topple a tall poppy.
Weirdo
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Danielson what is your point? What does any of those photos prove? Only that your mind is suspicious and you are clutching at straws.
How about posting your real name and then let us see how smart and tough you are here on Getbig?
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Danielson what is your point? What does any of those photos prove? Only that your mind is suspicious and you are clutching at straws.
How about posting your real name and then let us see how smart and tough you are here on Getbig?
what does his name have to do with squat..Really..and does posting his real name make his IQ go up or down..that kind of question makes no sense
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Danielson what is your point? What does any of those photos prove? Only that your mind is suspicious and you are clutching at straws.
How about posting your real name and then let us see how smart and tough you are here on Getbig?
Go play schuffleboard, Clown.
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No, Danielson is the wierdo. Look at his avatar. What does that tell you about the person? A bona fide asshole.
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what does his name have to do with squat..Really..and does posting his real name make his IQ go up or down..that kind of question makes no sense
Well, quite simply slander and libel apply to known individuals. Danielson knows that and is hiding behind anonymity or almost that. Let us see if he will repeat those allegations under his own name. Then the real fun will begin.
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Well, quite simply slander and libel apply to known individuals. Danielson knows that and is hiding behind anonymity or almost that. Let us see if he will repeat those allegations under his own name. Then the real fun will begin.
Oh great breakout the lawsuit..Quick call Johnny Cochran (aww shit he died)..oh wait call Robert Shapiro..If it is untrue maybe some lawyer can get a subpoena to get his identity ::)
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How about Paul Hupp?
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Oh great breakout the lawsuit..Quick call Johnny Cochran (aww shit he died)..oh wait call Robert Shapiro..If it is untrue maybe some lawyer can get a subpoena to get his identity ::)
Vince proves time and time again that while he can surely dish it out to Goodrum, he can not take it when people mess with him. He doesn't belong on a site like this.
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Go play schuffleboard, Clown.
Fat coward shows up to pile on and hope he makes friends.
This is a guy who tries to get me to tell him I'm gay and even said he post a pic of himself if I do.
When you admit you're a homosexual I will post a pic.
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It would be funny to see the people who rag on others the most post there real name and photo. Guarantee there whole internet persona will go out the door. God it must be nice to say anything you want to anyone you want and not have to worry about anything. At least Goodrum shows his ugly mug and we know his name. Of course it doesn't matter to him cause he doesn't know what is happening anyhow.
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Vince Basile is a very entertaining poster on Getbig...I give him 8.5 out of 10 stars...
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I guess Danielson and I have a different idea about what is fun and fair. I have to take 100% responsibility for what I post here. I am disgusted by internet nobodies so I would never use an anonymous handle on a discussion board. I fail to see what anyone gets out of doing that. Oh, I forgot, many protect themselves by being anonymous. How was it possible for Goatboy to remain on Getbig for years and years posting the way he did? Beats me. Sure, Goatboy was funny but for some peculiar reason it isn't that amusing when he targets you. Danielson claims I can't take it but can hand it out. Ha, I take plenty of crap from all and sundry, just like Keith does and just like Goodrum does. No one can touch Goodrum because he doesn't have any assets! He isn't so dumb, afterall.
Yeah, I will have to just grin and bear it and let Ron and the moderators be proud of having such a free discussion board that you can slander others and not have to even think twice about it.
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Oh great breakout the lawsuit..Quick call Johnny Cochran (aww shit he died)..oh wait call Robert Shapiro..If it is untrue maybe some lawyer can get a subpoena to get his identity ::)
Is dinner ready yet? And can you take a shower already. You know wash out the cheddar, if you know what I mean.
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Danielson is out of line... Basile is a well known legendary chaser of chubby women!... for real
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Basile and Goodrum deserve their Blue Stars for posts in this thread.
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By your own words, Goodrum is innocent. He tries to get even AFTER you bag on him. It's been 4 years now, why don't you just leave the guy alone?
Fu ck you , goodrum deserves everything he gets >:(
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This thread is a disgrace.
Vince is a great guy who is a credit to this board... if the people bashing him here stopped posting no one would miss any of them.
I'm out.
The Luke
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This thread is a disgrace.
Vince is a great guy who is a credit to this board... if the people bashing him here stopped posting no one would miss any of them.
I'm out.
The Luke
Manlove ^
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This thread is a disgrace.
Vince is a great guy who is a credit to this board... if the people bashing him here stopped posting no one would miss any of them.
I'm out.
The Luke
Creepy old guys who may or may not have a fetish for scantily clad young lads and obsess over a gay dude for years is a credit to the board? All we need now is a Bigfoot hunting buffoon who is 30ish and lives in his parents basement, you know where we could find such a "man"?
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Some of you just don't get why Goodrum gets shiot and is not liked or respected by anyone. He is full of shit and he says anything he wants to make himself look important or successful. What the fuck has he done. He is 34 or whatever and has done nothing. he admits he doesn't lift weights or diets yet he enters a bodybuilding event and thinks he is a bodybuilder. you just don't enter a BB contest and then call your self a BB. he doesn't live it at all. I play Tiger Woods golf on my PS3. That sure the fuck doesn't make me a golfer. But in Goodrums world it does. Then he always posts in thread pretending to be a know it all and tells others who are actually doing something, what to do. He is truly a loser and delusional fuck who doesn't belong anywhere. that is why I hate the fucker and he doesn't beliong anywhere. he pretends to be something he is not and he pretends to be an expert when he cuts corners to get everything he has. He has no real life experience in anything. he lives in some bumm fuck area and has never left and done anything. He is a moron and a fake and liar. He proves it evertytime he posts. I don't have to do a thing to expose him. he does it all himself.
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Danielson is obsessed at trying to prove something untoward about me. He and Goodrum leave no stone unturned but they come up empty. I have no interest in young guys. Goodrum doesn't interest me but by God I will sure respond to stuff he bullshits about. The guy has no integrity and lies to save face and bag others. Danielson and Goodrum are good examples of bad things the internet brings with it. Absolute nobodies can bullshit and act smart and tough and think they are someone on the internet.
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Danielson is obsessed at trying to prove something untoward about me. He and Goodrum leave no stone unturned but they come up empty. I have no interest in young guys. Goodrum doesn't interest me but by God I will sure respond to stuff he bullshits about. The guy has no integrity and lies to save face and bag others. Danielson and Goodrum are good examples of bad things the internet brings with it. Absolute nobodies can bullshit and act smart and tough and think they are someone on the internet.
goodrum is well known full lying on all the boards. It is what he does. He has to to try and make himself look good. He is not respected by anyone anywhere. That is not a great way to live life but he brings it on himself. He tries to lie himself through life and it has backfired. Karma really fucked him. He is an asshole and everyone knows it. Like someone said, everything that people say and do to him he deserves. DA spit in his face and Goodrums real persona shined through by not doing one fucking thing. Not even an hey asshole or anything. That is a yellow pussy right there. Being a fag suits him cause he is as far from being a man as you can get. His life is sad and the boards are the only thing he has. He is a joke on everyone of them but for some reason he thinks people like him. you kinda think he is on some powerful drugs or something to make him that fucked up, but he isn't. He is just too stupid and ignorant to know what is going on. I feel sorry for his husband. Ewww I just barfed in my mouth a little.
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Danielson is obsessed at trying to prove something untoward about me. He and Goodrum leave no stone unturned but they come up empty. I have no interest in young guys. Goodrum doesn't interest me but by God I will sure respond to stuff he bullshits about. The guy has no integrity and lies to save face and bag others. Danielson and Goodrum are good examples of bad things the internet brings with it. Absolute nobodies can bullshit and act smart and tough and think they are someone on the internet.
You old crybaby, you bring this all on yourself from your endless rants about me to calling me at my hotel. Same with Keith, he talked trash and decided to place fake orders for pizza at my hotel. That's why I have to layeth the smacketh down on you two nunzio's.
Mess with me and I'll emotionally cripple you like I've already done. You have the opportunity everyday to not get stoned by simply not talking about me in a negative manner. But if you keep it up, it will only get much worse.
You don't get you want...you get what you deserve....GG Allen
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You old crybaby, you bring this all on yourself from your endless rants about me to calling me at my hotel. Same with Keith, he talked trash and decided to place fake orders for pizza at my hotel. That's why I have to layeth the smacketh down on you two nunzio's.
Mess with me and I'll emotionally cripple you like I've already done. You have the opportunity everyday to not get stoned by simply not talking about me in a negative manner. But if you keep it up, it will only get much worse.
You don't get you want...you get what you deserve....GG Allen
Whats the fake orders for pizza about?
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Whats the fake orders for pizza about?
I know nothing about it, but I'm guessing it was the meatlovers or sausage special.
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You old crybaby, you bring this all on yourself from your endless rants about me to calling me at my hotel. Same with Keith, he talked trash and decided to place fake orders for pizza at my hotel. That's why I have to layeth the smacketh down on you two nunzio's.
Mess with me and I'll emotionally cripple you like I've already done. You have the opportunity everyday to not get stoned by simply not talking about me in a negative manner. But if you keep it up, it will only get much worse.
You don't get you want...you get what you deserve....GG Allen
Jeez you are stupiod. Why do you think you can do anything to anyone is beyond me and everyone else. And the pizza thing was awesome. You are to dumb to see it. For the guys who don't know Goodrum entered a contest where he of course finished last like always but he got to see more guys in things like he said is the reason he enters the contest anyways. But I guess someone sent some pizzas to Goodrum room at some $14 a night motel he way staying in the night before the contest at around midnight. Goodrum ended up eating them and blames them for bringing him in bloaty and taking last place. You know Goodrum has more excuses than anyone living for why he is always last place. Didn't he use lighting one time and how about the time he had first place wrapped up but he fell UP the stairs and had to withdraw from the show. This pathetic moron has so many excuses. He is seriously sick in head.
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I know nothing about it, but I'm guessing it was the meatlovers or sausage special.
;D
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Whats the fake orders for pizza about?
Keith and Basile are old farts who have been put out to pasture and now do nothing but make every attempt to get my attention or talk to them because their own family doesn't give a shit about it. They now live their lives on the internet because real life has forsaken them.
Basile realizes that his dream of being a great bodybuilder will never come true as he never turned pro. He's almost 70 years old and he now post on Getbig embellishing his great "national title" as though he won the Mr Olympia, Or Mr Universe.... ::)
Keith used to hang with movie stars and did commericals and was an arm wrestling professional. Now he's 600+ pounds and in very poor health thanks to a spider bite..... ::) I bet when he tries to call Sly or Jonesy, they problably put him on hold for 5 minutes and then hang up the phone on him. Now, even his former business partners and collegues have aired out Keith for the person he is after ripping them off.
Both old, both pathetic, both no longer relevant.....
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Keith and Basile are old farts who have been put out to pasture and now do nothing but make every attempt to get my attention or talk to them because their own family doesn't give a shit about it. They now live their lives on the internet because real life has forsaken them.
Basile realizes that his dream of being a great bodybuilder will never come true as he never turned pro. He's almost 70 years old and he now post on Getbig embellishing his great "national title" as though he won the Mr Olympia, Or Mr Universe.... ::)
Keith used to hang with movie stars and did commericals and was an arm wrestling professional. Now he's 600+ pounds and in very poor health thanks to a spider bite..... ::) I bet when he tries to call Sly or Jonesy, they problably put him on hold for 5 minutes and then hang up the phone on him. Now, even his former business partners and collegues have aired out Keith for the person he is after ripping them off.
Both old, both pathetic, both no longer relevant.....
oh lord ::) ::)
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both no longer relevant.....
As if you are or ever will be.
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As if you are or ever will be.
::)
it's my belief that when jimmy the greek talked about black men being bred to be athlete's he didn't mean melvin.
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As if you are or ever will be.
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:D
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Just to un-gay this thread a little,
I was hiking in the woods with my wife and we met these young ladettes. I had my camera on hand and I asked the girls if they wanted me to take some pictures of them for some souvenirs and stuff. They said they'd love to, so they posed for me and I took some snaps.
(http://www.naturegirls.com/galleries/abbywinters/waterfall-girls/slides/waterfall_girls002.jpg)
They were complaining about the high humidity so I told them to take their bathing suits off since it was so hot out. You know, just good clean fun. 8)
(http://www.naturegirls.com/galleries/abbywinters/waterfall-girls/slides/waterfall_girls114.jpg)
(http://www.naturegirls.com/galleries/abbywinters/waterfall-girls/slides/waterfall_girls137.jpg)
(http://www.naturegirls.com/galleries/abbywinters/waterfall-girls/slides/waterfall_girls061.jpg)
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Nice
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:D
Your expression aside, you look good there. Hope those triceps aren't enhanced via Photoshop.
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Just to un-gay this thread a little,
I was hiking in the woods with my wife and we met these young ladettes. I had my camera on hand and I asked the girls if they wanted me to take some pictures of them for some souvenirs and stuff. They said they'd love to, so they posed for me and I took some snaps.
(http://www.naturegirls.com/galleries/abbywinters/waterfall-girls/slides/waterfall_girls002.jpg)
They were complaining about the high humidity so I told them to take their bathing suits off since it was so hot out. You know, just good clean fun. 8)
(http://www.naturegirls.com/galleries/abbywinters/waterfall-girls/slides/waterfall_girls114.jpg)
(http://www.naturegirls.com/galleries/abbywinters/waterfall-girls/slides/waterfall_girls137.jpg)
(http://www.naturegirls.com/galleries/abbywinters/waterfall-girls/slides/waterfall_girls061.jpg)
do all chicks nowadays have no muff at all?
jeez louise...
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Your expression aside, you look good there. Hope those triceps aren't enhanced via Photoshop.
Nope, don't even know how to use Photoshop.
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Melvin definitely leaned up from the expo pics to the house pics... what was the timeframe melvin?
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Melvin definitely leaned up from the expo pics to the house pics... what was the timeframe melvin?
I was actually a lot fatter when I started dieting for the NGA show last year. I had to burn off about 70 pounds and I did it in 10 weeks with high intensity weight training, functional exercises, polymetrics, and interval cardio. I lower my overall protein intake and ate more carbohydrates. I also used Dr Colgans method for getting rid of the water under the skin during the last week.
Recently I started training and dieting starting te first of March to give myself 12 weeks to diet. I only have about 24 pounds to lose as I've stayed in shape over the past year so it won't have to overdue it and I'll have more time to fine tune things
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I was actually a lot fatter when I started dieting for the NGA show last year. I had to burn off about 70 pounds and I did it in 10 weeks with high intensity weight training, functional exercises, polymetrics, and interval cardio. I lower my overall protein intake and ate more carbohydrates. I also used Dr Colgans method for getting rid of the water under the skin during the last week.
Recently I started training and dieting starting te first of March to give myself 12 weeks to diet. I only have about 24 pounds to lose as I've stayed in shape over the past year so it won't have to overdue it and I'll have more time to fine tune things
70 pounds. You wieghed over 270 at some time. Lets see the pics. You never even weighed 240 you liar. So you are caught in another lie. What did you compete at 130. And how the fuck can you lose so much weight and have NO muscle and no veins and nothing but fat still. yes I know I am fat. When are you going to realize you have no muscle.
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70 pounds. You wieghed over 270 at some time. Lets see the pics. You never even weighed 240 you liar. So you are caught in another lie. What did you compete at 130. And how the fuck can you lose so much weight and have NO muscle and no veins and nothing but fat still. yes I know I am fat. When are you going to realize you have no muscle.
Focus on the nudes Keith. ;D "THE WOMEN"
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I was actually a lot fatter when I started dieting for the NGA show last year. I had to burn off about 70 pounds and I did it in 10 weeks with high intensity weight training, functional exercises, polymetrics, and interval cardio. I lower my overall protein intake and ate more carbohydrates. I also used Dr Colgans method for getting rid of the water under the skin during the last week.
Recently I started training and dieting starting te first of March to give myself 12 weeks to diet. I only have about 24 pounds to lose as I've stayed in shape over the past year so it won't have to overdue it and I'll have more time to fine tune things
That didnt work Vince you were more water logged than the alantic judging from your pics with very limited muscle mass. sure you lost fat and good on you for that but you need to get leaner and add 20 pounds of lean tissue to your frame (at least) before even getting on stage as a novice.
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I agree, Vince great improvements
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That didnt work Vince you were more water logged than the alantic judging from your pics with very limited muscle mass. sure you lost fat and good on you for that but you need to get leaner and add 20 pounds of lean tissue to your frame (at least) before even getting on stage as a novice.
Coming from someone who has never stepped on stage in his life, never done a bodybuilding show, or even shown his face or pictures of himself...I'm sure your words carry a lot of creditability..... ::)
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70 pounds. You wieghed over 270 at some time. Lets see the pics. You never even weighed 240 you liar. So you are caught in another lie. What did you compete at 130. And how the fuck can you lose so much weight and have NO muscle and no veins and nothing but fat still. yes I know I am fat. When are you going to realize you have no muscle.
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Your 600lb jumbo ass has no room to even talk about dieting.
----- Original Message ----
From: Keith D. Jones <keith@epicsportsclub.com>
To: Travis Anderson <travis_anderson2005@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 4:19:50 AM
Subject: Re: Muscle Mafia
I am working on getting a retainer paid so I don't have to wait any longer. I will know more this week. Sorry Kieth
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Your 600lb jumbo ass has no room to even talk about dieting.
----- Original Message ----
From: Keith D. Jones <keith@epicsportsclub.com>
To: Travis Anderson <travis_anderson2005@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008 4:19:50 AM
Subject: Re: Muscle Mafia
I am working on getting a retainer paid so I don't have to wait any longer. I will know more this week. Sorry Kieth
i give you credit for being an expert "dodger" everytime I call you out on your lies you somehow get away from it. Face it, you are a fucking liar and scammer. But, don't worry soon when people Google your name or search for it they will see the real you. I am so excited about this. And you won't believe how many people are helping. This will 100% be the biggest ownage of you ever. hehehe this is fun
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is this you vince?
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Coming from someone who has never stepped on stage in his life, never done a bodybuilding show, or even shown his face or pictures of himself...I'm sure your words carry a lot of creditability..... ::)
Okay what about the credibility of the judges then? What did they place you?
Yes, you look better in the picture you posted on this page as well as some of your other recents, and good on you for improving, but still not stage ready. Why not take a few years off from competing and you might then be able to get the size needed to not place last when you do decide to compete?
Not flaming you, I'm one of the nicer guys here. Just an honest suggestion.
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2 more pics from basile"s smugmug.... he takes pics of all kinds of people and some ask to be photographed with his fancy camera so they can download from his account for themselves.
For danielson to say what he has been saying without using his own name is a low act in my book.
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i give you credit for being an expert "dodger" everytime I call you out on your lies you somehow get away from it. Face it, you are a fucking liar and scammer. But, don't worry soon when people Google your name or search for it they will see the real you. I am so excited about this. And you won't believe how many people are helping. This will 100% be the biggest ownage of you ever. hehehe this is fun
Coming from someone that has been proven without a shadow of a doubt a liar and scammer, that's a laugh. Of course, if you you keep on messing with me its only going to get worse for you.
Now go pay Travis's and Thomas's money back that you owe them
As far as your scheme to slander me, I really don't care but knock yourself out. There really isn't much crap that isn't out on Google when typing in my name so its not of any concern. However, you're simply digging your hole deeper and deeper and ultimately I will have no choice but to be very cruel to you.
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Okay what about the credibility of the judges then? What did they place you?
Yes, you look better in the picture you posted on this page as well as some of your other recents, and good on you for improving, but still not stage ready. Why not take a few years off from competing and you might then be able to get the size needed to not place last when you do decide to compete?
Not flaming you, I'm one of the nicer guys here. Just an honest suggestion.
Its an NGA show so they only gave placings for the Top 5 so me and 2 other people didn't get a placing. I was stage ready and there's no issue in my size the main judge for the show Scott Hults told me that I had plenty of size but I needed to refine it and work more on conditioning and Eric Broser also said work on conditioning which is why I started dieting earlier and kept relatively lean so I don't have to lose so much weight in a short period of time.
My diet was fine and my conditioning was good but being that the NGA Night of Champions is a pro qualifier, good is simply going to cut it. I have to dig deeper, train harder, and pay my dues. Doesn't mean I'll get my pro card in this lifetime but I enjoy competing and its good for business.
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Its an NGA show so they only gave placings for the Top 5 so me and 2 other people didn't get a placing. I was stage ready and there's no issue in my size the main judge for the show Scott Hults told me that I had plenty of size but I needed to refine it and work more on conditioning and Eric Broser also said work on conditioning which is why I started dieting earlier and kept relatively lean so I don't have to lose so much weight in a short period of time.
My diet was fine and my conditioning was good but being that the NGA Night of Champions is a pro qualifier, good is simply going to cut it. I have to dig deeper, train harder, and pay my dues. Doesn't mean I'll get my pro card in this lifetime but I enjoy competing and its good for business.
Well if you're not getting placed at any shows that's what I meant by saying you might be better off taking some time off competing in order to improve to get a placing, but I guess you know your body best. Good luck.
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Its an NGA show so they only gave placings for the Top 5 so me and 2 other people didn't get a placing. I was stage ready and there's no issue in my size the main judge for the show Scott Hults told me that I had plenty of size but I needed to refine it and work more on conditioning and Eric Broser also said work on conditioning which is why I started dieting earlier and kept relatively lean so I don't have to lose so much weight in a short period of time.
My diet was fine and my conditioning was good but being that the NGA Night of Champions is a pro qualifier, good is simply going to cut it. I have to dig deeper, train harder, and pay my dues. Doesn't mean I'll get my pro card in this lifetime but I enjoy competing and its good for business.
Jesus can't you come up with anymore excuses. You are liar, scammer and excuser. Go kill yourself. Hey I took a really shit today. Do you realize that is more of an accomplsihment than you will ever achieve in your life. hahaha what a pathetic loser. Funny how you put down everyone who competes in any organization other than the NPC or IFBB yet that is all you do. Is it because the NPC promoters won't let you enter any of their contests or is it because you know you will be laughed off the stage. Which one is it. Come on boy answer the question. Have you ever read what the other competitors say about you. you would think you had just a small amount of shame or honor. you have NONE. We all know who wears the pants in your marriage. ;D
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Jesus can't you come up with anymore excuses. You are liar, scammer and excuser. Go kill yourself. Hey I took a really shit today. Do you realize that is more of an accomplsihment than you will ever achieve in your life. hahaha what a pathetic loser. Funny how you put down everyone who competes in any organization other than the NPC or IFBB yet that is all you do. Is it because the NPC promoters won't let you enter any of their contests or is it because you know you will be laughed off the stage. Which one is it. Come on boy answer the question. Have you ever read what the other competitors say about you. you would think you had just a small amount of shame or honor. you have NONE. We all know who wears the pants in your marriage. ;D
You claim that I ripped someone off but yet you cannot name one person that i've lied to, cheated, or scammed.
But in all cases, some of your writings simply don't even make any sense right now
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Coming from someone who has never stepped on stage in his life, never done a bodybuilding show
Umm wrong Mr Burnt Matchstick :D
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Well if you're not getting placed at any shows that's what I meant by saying you might be better off taking some time off competing in order to improve to get a placing, but I guess you know your body best. Good luck.
I think what hurt me is taking 2 years off from each show with the last being 3 years. I started dieting down the first of March and the weight is falling off much quicker than normal. In fact, I'm right at 202 pounds now after one week.
Ultimately, its something I like to do and its good and effective way of marketing my PT business. I'm able to decent living working on my schedule and not have someone else tell me when I work, when I take a break, when I leave, and how much I get paid.
I was working 60-70 hour workweeks and busted my ass for Alltel and all I got was a foot in the ass along with 300 other people when they shut down our office. That was 3rd time being laid off and that's when I decided to just built up my clientele and go Solo like Han.
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Umm wrong Mr Burnt Matchstick :D
Really?? then lets see some pictures.
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:D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=321433.0;attach=362571;image)
Looking impressive here Vince. Damn, your arms are long.
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I think what hurt me is taking 2 years off from each show with the last being 3 years. I started dieting down the first of March and the weight is falling off much quicker than normal. In fact, I'm right at 202 pounds now after one week.
Ultimately, its something I like to do and its good and effective way of marketing my PT business. I'm able to decent living working on my schedule and not have someone else tell me when I work, when I take a break, when I leave, and how much I get paid.
I was working 60-70 hour workweeks and busted my ass for Alltel and all I got was a foot in the ass along with 300 other people when they shut down our office. That was 3rd time being laid off and that's when I decided to just built up my clientele and go Solo like Han.
Hey burnt match show us a pic of you at 260 pounds. You said you weighed that now prove it. Oh sorry another lie. You are full of shit again. And you loved the foot in the ass didn;t you. That is how you got to be a janitor there. I love it how you say laid off instead of fired. What a moron
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Hey burnt match show us a pic of you at 260 pounds. You said you weighed that now prove it. Oh sorry another lie. You are full of shit again. And you loved the foot in the ass didn;t you. That is how you got to be a janitor there. I love it how you say laid off instead of fired. What a moron
Seeing as how you use Shawn Ray's offseason pictures as well as Bob Chick.....nahhhhhhhhhhhh h. ;D
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Seeing as how you use Shawn Ray's offseason pictures as well as Bob Chick.....nahhhhhhhhhhhh h. ;D
Holy shit you are taking some different drugs aren't you.
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http://www.realgym.com.au/
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Lads on Carlo's Blow at Rainbow Beach May 2009?????
bump
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Maybe to the flotsam on Getbig it is unnatural to glory in the physique of a young male but blokes like me who like beer and women can always find time to enjoy a topless lad. What I find strange is that Ron does not ban people who call me a white van man and boy-lover. Really, in China a man my age would be treated as a font of knowledge and not the butt of poor and uncouth humour. Then again, what can one expect when Melvin is a self-professed expert and calls himself a bodybuilder on here? This bloke must take delusion to new heights and I wouldn't even want to photograph him topless, despite having a hardrive stuffed full of his semi-nude pictures. Talking of stuffed can anyone remember a bodybuilder compete with his testicles exposed? Only poor Melvin could indulge in such folly and hilarity. Trunks too small. No, this bloke really is short of sixpack. I do sometimes wonder what it must be like to be Vissy, beneath this sweaty black beast,him grunting and groaning as he turns one's arse into raw hamburger meat. I would probably try it once just for the comedic value.
Bump too..