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The man tells it like it is, whether you agree with him or not, he speaks his mind...
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Shawn just wasnt big enough to compete with Dorrian
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210 vs 260
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Shawn just wasnt big enough to compete with Dorrian
True, but he made some good points.
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True, but he made some good points.
He says he "wasn't disrespectful", but he did in fact say that, "I think he's finished. Maybe he's got a couple of years left to guest pose", a few months after the 94 Mr Olympia, in regards to Dorian Yates.
The night of the contest, he actually said that he was pleased with the results and accepted the fact that Dorian defeated him fair and square. It was close between Kevin and Shawn in that contest, but not so between Dorian and Shawn. Plus Dorian looked a lot better at the finals than he did during the prejudging, where he had a bloated stomach and his tan started running.
Shawn loved to complain, but if anything, he was lucky the judges placed him so high in spite of his size and everything else. Dorian beat him in just about every pose in 94 (and other years) except for maybe the front double biceps.
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He says he "wasn't disrespectful", but he did in fact say that, "I think he's finished. Maybe he's got a couple of years left to guest pose", a few months after the 94 Mr Olympia, in regards to Dorian Yates.
The night of the contest, he actually said that he was pleased with the results and accepted the fact that Dorian defeated him fair and square. It was close between Kevin and Shawn in that contest, but not so between Dorian and Shawn. Plus Dorian looked a lot better at the finals than he did during the prejudging, where he had a bloated stomach and his tan started running.
Shawn loved to complain, but if anything, he was lucky the judges placed him so high in spite of his size and everything else. Dorian beat him in just about every pose in 94 (and other years) except for maybe the front double biceps.
Well, it helps being a Weider athlete and being right in what he says. Win lose or draw, he never held the company line. Most other competitors agreed with him, yet grumbled what he said under their breath.
But he did have a habit of saying stuff right after the Mr. O. Like in 1998, he said that Ronnie was the MOST IMPROVED not the best on stage.
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midgets really should just keep their mouths shut
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when shawn was under IFBB contract, he never bashed dorian's wins.
when he was not, he spoke how he really felt. that he was screwed.
this was simply being smart about his career.
he has publicly stated that he felt he should have won in 94, even on this board back when he was on it.
but he would never say that while under contract with Uncle Joe.
a smart move. that would have been career suicide.
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He says he "wasn't disrespectful", but he did in fact say that, "I think he's finished. Maybe he's got a couple of years left to guest pose", a few months after the 94 Mr Olympia, in regards to Dorian Yates.
The night of the contest, he actually said that he was pleased with the results and accepted the fact that Dorian defeated him fair and square. It was close between Kevin and Shawn in that contest, but not so between Dorian and Shawn. Plus Dorian looked a lot better at the finals than he did during the prejudging, where he had a bloated stomach and his tan started running.
Shawn loved to complain, but if anything, he was lucky the judges placed him so high in spite of his size and everything else. Dorian beat him in just about every pose in 94 (and other years) except for maybe the front double biceps.
Great post ! Shawn went to great lengths to bash Dorian and not just his physique either , he's also claimed Dorian was a ' blue collar bodybuilder who's time has just run out '
Shawn was very happy about his placing in 1994 and conceded it the night of the show in fact NO ONE had a problem with the 94 Olympia contest until many years later when bitter guys got frustrated by the fact they simply weren't good enough
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray
Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.
( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "
Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).
1994 was a close contest for second place Dorian owned everyone
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Shawn was very happy about his placing in 1994 and conceded it the night of the show in fact NO ONE had a problem with the 94 Olympia contest until many years later when guys were no longer under weider contract and could speak freely without consequences.
fixed to corrrect ND bullshit..
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ps many reviewers had big problems with the 94 olympia right after it happened.
but you had to go to NON WEIDER mags to read this.
surprise surprise..
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someone should go and grab musclemag with the 94 mr and ms olympia coverage in it, flip to the muscle go round section near the front and see if no one had problems with the olympias that year LOL
hell, the Ms. olympia that year was even worse than the mens contest..
that was the year an emaciated lenda murray won over a near perfect Laura Crevalle..
but again, you had to go to a NON WEIDER mag to get the truth..
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fixed to corrrect ND bullshit..
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ps many reviewers had big problems with the 94 olympia right after it happened.
but you had to go to NON WEIDER mags to read this.
surprise surprise..
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hahahahah you fucking idiot did you see Ironman Magazine? is that a Weider magazine dummy?
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "
quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
All NON-Weider magazine stupid , I'll continue to crush your stupidity with facts dumbass ;)
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someone should go and grab musclemag with the 94 mr and ms olympia coverage in it, flip to the muscle go round section near the front and see if no one had problems with the olympias that year LOL
hell, the Ms. olympia that year was even worse than the mens contest..
that was the year an emaciated lenda murray won over a near perfect Laura Crevalle..
but again, you had to go to a NON WEIDER mag to get the truth..
See above you fucking idiot ;)
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
owned ...next
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when shawn was under IFBB contract, he never bashed dorian's wins.
when he was not, he spoke how he really felt. that he was screwed.
this was simply being smart about his career.
he has publicly stated that he felt he should have won in 94, even on this board back when he was on it.
but he would never say that while under contract with Uncle Joe.
a smart move. that would have been career suicide.
yeah because Shawn wasn't know as the most outspoken pro back then ::) more ignorance by our resident idiot Hulkster , see above quotes
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dorian is best.
nice to see small Sarcev on pic
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fixed to corrrect ND bullshit..
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ps many reviewers had big problems with the 94 olympia right after it happened.
but you had to go to NON WEIDER mags to read this.
surprise surprise..
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quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win .
Oppppssss someone looks really fucking stupid right now ;)
stop trolling and stop trying to rewrite bodybuilding history there was NO contest in 1994
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notice how ND refuses to go and grab the musclemag and look in the musclego round section.
I wish I still had the mag, but I burned it after seeing the 94 Olympia pics LOL:
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ND always runs from the real damaging evidence.
he runs from me too (see truce thread)
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notice how ND refuses to go and grab the musclemag and look in the musclego round section.
I wish I still had the mag, but I burned it after seeing the 94 Olympia pics LOL:
You're a troll and nothing more , you know your owned and as usual have nothing to offer. do us all a favor and shut the fuck up troll ;)
I posted the MuscleMag article you have ZERO
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ND always runs from the real damaging evidence.
he runs from me too (see truce thread)
You just got owned own every single shitty point you attempted to make and now are looking for a way out.
I own you kid and always will because you're stupid and biased.
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He says he "wasn't disrespectful", but he did in fact say that, "I think he's finished. Maybe he's got a couple of years left to guest pose", a few months after the 94 Mr Olympia, in regards to Dorian Yates.
The night of the contest, he actually said that he was pleased with the results and accepted the fact that Dorian defeated him fair and square. It was close between Kevin and Shawn in that contest, but not so between Dorian and Shawn. Plus Dorian looked a lot better at the finals than he did during the prejudging, where he had a bloated stomach and his tan started running.
Shawn loved to complain, but if anything, he was lucky the judges placed him so high in spite of his size and everything else. Dorian beat him in just about every pose in 94 (and other years) except for maybe the front double biceps.
Shawn's high placings had nothing to do with luck son.
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when shawn was under IFBB contract, he never bashed dorian's wins.
when he was not, he spoke how he really felt. that he was screwed.
Shawn was under contract with Weider for 17yrs, from around the late 80's or early 90's.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson57.htm
I'm pretty sure he was under contract in 94 (pretty downright positive actually) when he was complaining about Dorian in print, in magazines and anywhere else where someone would listen to him.
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notice how ND refuses to go and grab the musclemag and look in the musclego round section.
I wish I still had the mag, but I burned it after seeing the 94 Olympia pics LOL:
oh brother. A relaxed Dorian shot after he won the show compared to a Shawn shot where he's flexing so hard his balls are about to land on the floor.
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Shawn was under contract with Weider for 17yrs, from around the late 80's or early 90's.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson57.htm
I'm pretty sure he was under contract in 94 (pretty downright positive actually) when he was complaining about Dorian in print, in magazines and anywhere else where someone would listen to him.
Great post
stupid Hulkster once again showing how little he knows.
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Shawn's high placings had nothing to do with luck son.
I suppose not. But he used to keep saying that he was getting marked down due to his size, which is why I made that comment. He deserved his placings, but not once did he deserve to beat Dorian during any of the times they competed against each other.
Hulkster, quit trolling and ND won't be forced to bitch slap you every time ;D
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oh brother. A relaxed Dorian shot after he won the show compared to a Shawn shot where he's flexing so hard his balls are about to land on the floor.
hahahahah troll Hulkster getting exposed ;D
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Great post
stupid Hulkster once again showing how little he knows.
okay mr. I work for a flower company hahahaha
ND on coffee break: 8)
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okay mr. I work for a flower company hahahaha
ND on coffee break: 8)
Is that really ND?
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yes, yes it is.
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Is that really ND?
yes he was preparing himself for a dorian's night ;D
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Dorian has ND on speed dial.
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yes, yes it is.
You're a dipshit. Ive never once seen you post anything with any sort of content.
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must be one of ND's coworkers..
hahaha :D
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okay mr. I work for a flower company hahahaha
ND on coffee break: 8)
Yet no answer to my reply towards you, about how you were just mistaken? ::)
I thought you only presented the facts Mr Hulk? :'(
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must be one of ND's coworkers..
hahaha :D
Where's pumpster?
Oh wait...
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I'm pretty sure he was under contract in 94 (pretty downright positive actually) when he was complaining about Dorian in print, in magazines and anywhere else where someone would listen to him.
you are wrong. nowhere when shawn was under contract was he directly saying he should have won and dorian did not deserve it.
he complained about the 'system' indirectly, like he always did, of how it favored larger guys over smaller ones, but he never directly stated dorian, with his missing arm, robbed him of the title.
that came out AFTER he was no longer under contract.
you want a reply, you got one.
facts are facts. and you were mistaken.
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Poor Shawn needs to let it go yates was better...
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I am not here to argue what should have happened what not.
But, the only thing I know is that Shawn was Waaaaaaaaaaay better than Dorian ever was.
I am not a big fan for uncompleted physique, wide waist, small arm, huge gut.
That is it. :)
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you are wrong. nowhere when shawn was under contract was he directly saying he should have won and dorian did not deserve it.
he complained about the 'system' indirectly, like he always did, of how it favored larger guys over smaller ones, but he never directly stated dorian, with his missing arm, robbed him of the title.
that came out AFTER he was no longer under contract.
you want a reply, you got one.
facts are facts. and you were mistaken.
Wrong again.
Watch the BFTO 1996.
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That's a small clip, where you don't hear him talk about Dorian because the clip is so short. But since I have the original video on VHS and know what he says, you can't dispute it without so much as calling yourself an idiot- but you have already proved that to me. Ball is in your court, chump.
In the above clip where he talks about Dorian, he talks about how no Mr. Olympia should have a gut, one arm....all while being under contract as I provided in the other post/link I gave you.
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The man tells it like it is, whether you agree with him or not, he speaks his mind...
True, he was just speaking the truth.
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Wrong again.
Watch the BFTO 1996.
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That's a small clip, where you don't hear him talk about Dorian because the clip is so short. But since I have the original video on VHS and know what he says, you can't dispute it without so much as calling yourself an idiot- but you have already proved that to me. Ball is in your court, chump.
In the above clip where he talks about Dorian, he talks about how no Mr. Olympia should have a gut, one arm....all while being under contract as I provided in the other post/link I gave you.
Great post ! as usual when push comes to shove Hulkster can't back up a single claim he makes and ends up looking like the stupid troll he is.
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okay mr. I work for a flower company hahahaha
ND on coffee break: 8)
Thanks for proving my point , when you are beat down by facts and have nothing else to offer your resort to this ;)
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yes he was preparing himself for a dorian's night ;D
I should save that for my Dorian Facebook page :-X wait I don't have a Facebook page dedicated to a bodybuilder ;D
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Thanks for proving my point , when you are beat down by facts and have nothing else to offer your resort to this ;)
What does Hulkster do for a job?
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What does Hulkster do for a job?
Don't know , don't care ......I know he's not that sophisticated , I know he drives a Ford Escape and here's an interesting fact about those fellas
http://www.ecollo.com/post/2007/10/The-2008-Ford-Escape-Hybrid-gets-top-ranking-with-gay-drivers.aspx
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The man tells it like it is, whether you agree with him or not, he speaks his mind...
One of the best physiques ever on that planet. Unstoppable at a regular height.
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One of the best physiques ever on that planet. Unstoppable at a regular height.
At regular height he's still be narrow , he's still have high weak calves , he'd still have short legs and a long torso and height is part of genetics , he was angry because he thought the whole sport should bend to his physique ::)
very nice physique but 20 years to late
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The man tells it like it is, whether you agree with him or not, he speaks his mind...
he talked himself out of a few olympias...i mean shit..does the man take a breath between sentences
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It was 1994 FFS!!
Who cares?!
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I should save that for my Dorian Facebook page :-X wait I don't have a Facebook page dedicated to a bodybuilder ;D
me too, i dont have a facebook page dedicated to a bb!!.. the page i made is to nasser who inspired me when i was young and i made it as a simple thank you.. a big different here ND ::)
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The man tells it like it is, whether you agree with him or not, he speaks his mind...
swhan ray very very good bodybuilder, notice how he works the muscle not the ego this is how you make drugs work for you. quality in everything he does. this is a real bodybuilder
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It was 1994 FFS!!
Who cares?!
Obviously many, so STFU and stop reading if it bothers you so much.
BTW, you're the guy who doesn't like professional bodybuilding, yet you're still fucking on here after all these years and with a VERY HIGH post count. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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me too, i dont have a facebook page dedicated to a bb!!.. the page i made is to nasser who inspired me when i was young and i made it as a simple thank you.. a big different here ND ::)
lmfao you don't have a facebook page dedicated to a bodybuilder , funny shit right there ;D
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Obviously many, so STFU and stop reading if it bothers you so much.
BTW, you're the guy who doesn't like professional bodybuilding, yet you're still fucking on here after all these years and with a VERY HIGH post count. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
The thong love is strong in this one, LOL!
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lmfao you don't have a facebook page dedicated to a bodybuilder , funny shit right there ;D
i hate to explian clear things to ppl ::) ok for example i like lee haney's physique but he didnt inspire me when i started training, may be because he had retired years before i started training so i would never make a FB page dedicated to him, nasser on the other hand became a top pro. nearly the same time i started training and since then has become my favorite bb.. got it now mr. 30000+ posts about dorian vs. ronnie :-X
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i hate to explian clear things to ppl ::) ok for example i like lee haney's physique but he didnt inspire me when i started training, may be because he had retired years before i started training so i would never make a FB page dedicated to him, nasser on the other hand became a top pro. nearly the same time i started training and since then has become my favorite bb.. got it now mr. 30000+ posts about dorian vs. ronnie :-X
Wait, Lee Haney was not a top pro? But Nasser who had at least 5x less Olympia wins was better than Lee? ;D
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i hate to explian clear things to ppl ::) ok for example i like lee haney's physique but he didnt inspire me when i started training, may be because he had retired years before i started training so i would never make a FB page dedicated to him, nasser on the other hand became a top pro. nearly the same time i started training and since then has become my favorite bb.. got it now mr. 30000+ posts about dorian vs. ronnie :-X
I gave it some thought and really can't come up with a way to make your post much gayer. :)
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I gave it some thought and really can't come up with a way to make your post much gayer. :)
no man it could easily be much gayer like adding some wizard of truth and sultan of fasion to it ;D
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no man it could easily be much gayer like adding some wizard of truth and sultan of fasion to it ;D
That's probably the 8th gayest post I've ever read here at GetBig.
Yes, I have them ranked, LOL! UKGold was recently dethroned from the number one spot by ToxicAvenger but had a long run with his thread wondering if letting his GF take a strap-on to his ass would be gay. :)
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no man it could easily be much gayer like adding some wizard of truth and sultan of fasion to it ;D
you forgot 'Handsome man with glasses' or 'soiled underwear for sale'
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i hate to explian clear things to ppl ::) ok for example i like lee haney's physique but he didnt inspire me when i started training, may be because he had retired years before i started training so i would never make a FB page dedicated to him, nasser on the other hand became a top pro. nearly the same time i started training and since then has become my favorite bb.. got it now mr. 30000+ posts about dorian vs. ronnie :-X
Again you have a facebook page dedicated to a bodybuilder why are you in denial about this? and it's Mr 15000 posts about Dorian v Ronnie get it right , another 5000 correcting Nasser fans ;)
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At regular height he's still be narrow , he's still have high weak calves , he'd still have short legs and a long torso and height is part of genetics , he was angry because he thought the whole sport should bend to his physique
and yet flaws and all he owned the bloated torn up mess that was dorian in 1994: :-\
dorian was physically larger (and of course wider) but he was not better.
hence why even almost 15 years later, the bb community still remembers the scam that happened on that faithful night..
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That's probably the 8th gayest post I've ever read here at GetBig.
Yes, I have them ranked, LOL! UKGold was recently dethroned from the number one spot by ToxicAvenger but had a long run with his thread wondering if letting his GF take a strap-on to his ass would be gay. :)
ok but dont you think that ranking the gayness in other's posts is a gay thing? :-X
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you forgot 'Handsome beautiful man with glasses' or 'soiled underwear for sale'
fixed for more gayness ;D
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Again you have a facebook page dedicated to a bodybuilder why are you in denial about this? and it's Mr 15000 posts about Dorian v Ronnie get it right , another 5000 correcting Nasser fans ;)
;D
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ok but dont you think that ranking the gayness in other's posts is a gay thing? :-X
So much gayness goes on here that only extra gay shit even hits the radar. :)
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and yet flaws and all he owned the bloated torn up mess that was dorian in 1994: :-\
dorian was physically larger (and of course wider) but he was not better.
hence why even almost 15 years later, the bb community still remembers the scam that happened on that faithful night..
I love how you post your opinion as fact and try and say the majority agrees with you. NEWS FLASH... theres as many people siding with ND as side with you.
Besides the majority opinion doesn't make it fact. The majority of people think that Brad Pitt is huge. Does that make them right?
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Besides the majority opinion doesn't make it fact
it does when they have proper evidence to corroborate their opinion.
and there is lots of that:
look up 'ad populum' in any philosophy text or online document. it will tell you that there IS some clout to the majority opinion IF there is reliable evidence and expert opinions to back it up.
for a classic example, see the evolutionary biologists vs the layman creationists 'debate'
this is why I keep having to teach ND about philosophy and bodybuilding concurrently when all he knows is flowers.
this is no different. most of the bb community feels shawn was robbed of at least one Mr. O (some say two- with the other year being 96) and there is damn good reason to believe that:
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shawn never deserved second place, let alone first
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your just bitter cause he kicked Levrone's ass a few times :P
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your just bitter cause he kicked Levrone's ass a few times :P
so if we used your "brilliant" logic that would mean your bitter about dorian beating shawn, right?
you can't have it both ways, son
shawn got LevrOWNED, he never should've beaten him nor should he have beaten flex, cormier, and dillet
they all make him look like a child
i honestly think his mouth got him higher placings, imagine the whining he would've done if he got the placings he deserved
i understand thinking ronnie would beat dorian (i agree) but saying shawn should've beaten dorian is downright ridiculous
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i understand thinking ronnie would beat dorian (i agree) but saying shawn should've beaten dorian is downright ridiculous
not in 1994 it wasn't..
dorian was torn, bloated and not in his best shape by a long shot..
it was like night and day compared to 1993..
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hulkster owned as always.
it may not have been yates' best showing, but was good enough to beat a 210 lbs shawn ray.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy174.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy177.jpg)
yates makes shawn look like a little kid.
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it does when they have proper evidence to corroborate their opinion.
and there is lots of that:
look up 'ad populum' in any philosophy text or online document. it will tell you that there IS some clout to the majority opinion IF there is reliable evidence and expert opinions to back it up.
for a classic example, see the evolutionary biologists vs the layman creationists 'debate'
this is why I keep having to teach ND about philosophy and bodybuilding concurrently when all he knows is flowers.
this is no different. most of the bb community feels shawn was robbed of at least one Mr. O (some say two- with the other year being 96) and there is damn good reason to believe that:
Too bad there isnt enough evidence of people agreeing with you to make your argument "ad populum". You just give your opinion and say everyone agrees with you. Your fucking delusional.
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it does when they have proper evidence to corroborate their opinion.
and there is lots of that:
look up 'ad populum' in any philosophy text or online document. it will tell you that there IS some clout to the majority opinion IF there is reliable evidence and expert opinions to back it up.
for a classic example, see the evolutionary biologists vs the layman creationists 'debate'
this is why I keep having to teach ND about philosophy and bodybuilding concurrently when all he knows is flowers.
this is no different. most of the bb community feels shawn was robbed of at least one Mr. O (some say two- with the other year being 96) and there is damn good reason to believe that:
There you go again speaking for most of the bodybuilding community ::) most of the bodybuilding community agree Ronnie lost in 2000/2001/2002 so it's truth? no it's only true when it concerns Dorian which shows your ignorance , bias and hypocrisy
There is NO evidence that Shawn beat Dorian , there is just ignorant bodybuilding fans biased and ' opinions ' and nothing more , the majority don't judge contests so your ad populum pleas are moot , as usual you have nothing except another opportunity to troll
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your just bitter cause he kicked Levrone's ass a few times :P
Coming from the guy who is pissed Ronnie was never good enough to beat Dorian and admitted he still couldn't even at his best .
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not in 1994 it wasn't..
dorian was torn, bloated and not in his best shape by a long shot..
it was like night and day compared to 1993..
93 has NOTHING to do with 1994 , absolutely nothing . Dorian wasn't competing against Dorian 1993 he was competing against Shawn 1994 and he was leaps & bounds better
and the facts confirm this , Shawn was extremely lucky to beat Kevin a feat he did by only one point to boot , he wasn't close to Dorian only stupid people think so and your handful of carefully selected pics prove how desperate you are.
Shawn was trailing Kevin after the prejudging he wasn't close to Dorian and only ' beat ' Levrone by virtue of a better posing routine at the night show , you think if you keep sticking to this story it will become true but the facts as always are against you.
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Too bad there isnt enough evidence of people agreeing with you to make your argument "ad populum". You just give your opinion and say everyone agrees with you. Your fucking delusional.
Great post ! he could have this entire board agree with him it's useless ... bodybuilding contests aren't judged by the minority , they're judged by 13 people , his pleas to numbers are just as absurd as millions of people claiming to see UFO's and they seen ' evidence ' too , lights in the sky , they have pictures , documents , etc
Hulkster is a simple person and can't look beyond his own biases and he's to proud to admit he's ignorant but that's okay we already know that.
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dorians physique really took a nosedive after 93..when injuries and swollen gut should have ended his olympia streak. dorian always had a very good bodybuilding structure...no doubt about this and was a very consistent guy, which is important charecterstic for bodybuilders to have (and he kept a detailed nutritional and training diary...which nasser also did). i do not dislike dorian at all, he was a mentally tough guy but i do not think he deserved any of his mr olympia victories after 93...although he was better in 95 than he was in 94 (the year he got several injuries).
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dorians physique really took a nosedive after 93..when injuries and swollen gut should have ended his olympia streak. dorian always had a very good bodybuilding structure...no doubt about this and was a very consistent guy, which is important charecterstic for bodybuilders to have (and he kept a detailed nutritional and training diary...which nasser also did). i do not dislike dorian at all, he was a mentally tough guy but i do not think he deserved any of his mr olympia victories after 93...although he was better in 95 than he was in 94 (the year he got several injuries).
the mr olympia has always been about mass,samir,zane, dickerson aside,haney,coleman,cutler,yates were the fan favorites and put the most fans in the seats like a heavy weight boxer,who cares about the lighweight boxer,tyson drew the crowd and got the bigger purses due to his stature.same with bbing i'm sure the olympia cover's in flex or musclefitness aren't there bigger seller,with haney .yates.coleman on them .the gaspari,leverone,ray ect selled better due to the image ,didn't matter the mr o is and will be all about the biggest muscular and conditioned size .
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the mr olympia has always been about mass,samir,zane, dickerson aside,haney,coleman,cutler,yates were the fan favorites and put the most fans in the seats like a heavy weight boxer,who cares about the lighweight boxer,tyson drew the crowd and got the bigger purses due to his stature.same with bbing i'm sure the olympia cover's in flex or musclefitness aren't there bigger seller,with haney .yates.coleman on them .the gaspari,leverone,ray ect selled better due to the image ,didn't matter the mr o is and will be all about the biggest muscular and conditioned size .
you cant just put aside samir, zane, dickerson and scott (who you forgot) and say mr olympia is only about mass. thats 4 mr olympia winners who just brush off.
i thik your logic is flawed. the biggest guy doesnt always win , and besides after 93 yates was equalled and surpassed when it came to pure mass. i stand by that levrone, shawn ray and nasser (and a few others) all looked better than dorian at some competitions (not always at the same time) after 93 and still didnt win.
as for the political aspects of bodybuilding im well aware of them and they a play a part in competition placings although im not saying every mr olympia win is decided before hand.
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and besides after 93 yates was equalled and surpassed when it came to pure mass.
Yes but not with the same level of conditioning, not even close. For example, Nasser's (who is arguably the "best" mass monster Dorian faced) was at its best 'til 95 at a lower weight. Once he put on a hefty amount of mass, he started looking softer specially from the back. Fux and other big guys could never compete with Dorian as their conditioning was always lacking and lines, proportions and symmetry were also lacking. Dorian had the mass/conditioning combo achieved at an unparalleled level at the time while still being able to compete with guys like Levrone, Ray or Flex as far as symmetry and proportions were concerned, even with his torn bicep and his questionable midsection (have a look at the current Mr O or his runner-up to see that huge size and ultra dry conditioning are achieved at the expense of proportions and symmetry most of the time) . Had Dorian had a great midsection in '93, he would have been the most complete Bber ever by leaps and bounds.
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The ONLY reason Ironman and Musclemag didn't scream out FIX after the 1994 Olympia is the same reason Romano was prevented from screaming FIX after the 2007 Olympia: Weider threatens to pull or actually pulls those precious press passes and now the other mags cannot cover the show and/or Bob Kennedy/Steve Blechman is forced to PAY for their own front row tickets.
Weider has pulled MD's press passes before and Blechman melted down and apologized. Steve prohibited Romano from outright claiming the 2007 Olympia was FIXED when it was obvious that it was. Same deal with the 1994 Olympia.
Again for those who are too dense: All Olympia winners are predetermined. Judging is a charade. If the script says Dorian or Jay wins, then that's how it goes. Loads of money involved. If an MD guy wins, MD's ad rates go up, Weider's go down. Blechman would run MD's Olympia champ on its cover for 12 months straight and Weider people know it. Could only happen if Blechman agreed not to do that and to be non-exclusive with photos/videos.
That's the current Mexican standoff. Weider signed Wolf by dumping him in 16th place so Steve would be in no hurry to re-sign him. Then Weider swiped him.
When has Weider EVER run out and signed a LAST PLACE OLYMPIA Finisher? NEVER.
I'm with Hulkster.
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The ONLY reason Ironman and Musclemag didn't scream out FIX after the 1994 Olympia is the same reason Romano was prevented from screaming FIX after the 2007 Olympia: Weider threatens to pull or actually pulls those precious press passes and now the other mags cannot cover the show and/or Bob Kennedy/Steve Blechman is forced to PAY for their own front row tickets.
Weider has pulled MD's press passes before and Blechman melted down and apologized. Steve prohibited Romano from outright claiming the 2007 Olympia was FIXED when it was obvious that it was. Same deal with the 1994 Olympia.
Again for those who are too dense: All Olympia winners are predetermined. Judging is a charade. If the script says Dorian or Jay wins, then that's how it goes. Loads of money involved. If an MD guy wins, MD's ad rates go up, Weider's go down. Blechman would run MD's Olympia champ on its cover for 12 months straight and Weider people know it. Could only happen if Blechman agreed not to do that and to be non-exclusive with photos/videos.
That's the current Mexican standoff. Weider signed Wolf by dumping him in 16th place so Steve would be in no hurry to re-sign him. Then Weider swiped him.
When has Weider EVER run out and signed a LAST PLACE OLYMPIA Finisher? NEVER.
I'm with Hulkster.
Exactly right. Anyone who doesn't believe the Olympia is fixed after the 07 debacle is just a flat out idiot.
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Of course, it's fixed, I'm not saying the opposite. The fact that it's fixed doesn't ALWAYS mean it's undeserved. Even though: '80, '81, '82, '90, '94, '97, '01 to '09, etc......
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The ONLY reason Ironman and Musclemag didn't scream out FIX after the 1994 Olympia is the same reason Romano was prevented from screaming FIX after the 2007 Olympia: Weider threatens to pull or actually pulls those precious press passes and now the other mags cannot cover the show and/or Bob Kennedy/Steve Blechman is forced to PAY for their own front row tickets.
Weider has pulled MD's press passes before and Blechman melted down and apologized. Steve prohibited Romano from outright claiming the 2007 Olympia was FIXED when it was obvious that it was. Same deal with the 1994 Olympia.
Again for those who are too dense: All Olympia winners are predetermined. Judging is a charade. If the script says Dorian or Jay wins, then that's how it goes. Loads of money involved. If an MD guy wins, MD's ad rates go up, Weider's go down. Blechman would run MD's Olympia champ on its cover for 12 months straight and Weider people know it. Could only happen if Blechman agreed not to do that and to be non-exclusive with photos/videos.
That's the current Mexican standoff. Weider signed Wolf by dumping him in 16th place so Steve would be in no hurry to re-sign him. Then Weider swiped him.
When has Weider EVER run out and signed a LAST PLACE OLYMPIA Finisher? NEVER.
I'm with Hulkster.
Nonsense Lee Haney was with Twinlab/MD in 1991 and if entertaining what you said was true that render's that silent , Weider would have never let Haney win 8 straight , Haney in fact said he heard all the rumors before the contest like they wouldn't let him win because he wasn't with Weider anymore etc and we all know the outcome
You can be wrong with Hulkster who I'm sure wouldn't agree with you that any of Coleman's 8 Olympias were predetermined.
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I thought all Dorian's and Ronnie's win were fair but 07 was a joke.
In 94 Dorian made Shawn look like a kid. Fuck pictures watch the videos. Same in 01, Ronnie completely destroys Jay when you watch the video. Jay being ahead after pre-judging was a joke to me.
Yes i realise the irony of posting a pic now
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Bodybuilders/DennisWolf47.jpg)
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Nonsense Lee Haney was with Twinlab/MD in 1991 and if entertaining what you said was true that render's that silent , Weider would have never let Haney win 8 straight , Haney in fact said he heard all the rumors before the contest like they wouldn't let him win because he wasn't with Weider anymore etc and we all know the outcome
You can be wrong with Hulkster who I'm sure wouldn't agree with you that any of Coleman's 8 Olympias were predetermined.
The fact is that Ronnie absolutely destroyed guys. His arms and back and conditioning killed people. Dorian NEVER blew anyone off the stage. Most years Dorian didn't even deserve to win.
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Yes but not with the same level of conditioning, not even close. For example, Nasser's (who is arguably the "best" mass monster Dorian faced) was at its best 'til 95 at a lower weight. Once he put on a hefty amount of mass, he started looking softer specially from the back. Fux and other big guys could never compete with Dorian as their conditioning was always lacking and lines, proportions and symmetry were also lacking. Dorian had the mass/conditioning combo achieved at an unparalleled level at the time while still being able to compete with guys like Levrone, Ray or Flex as far as symmetry and proportions were concerned, even with his torn bicep and his questionable midsection (have a look at the current Mr O or his runner-up to see that huge size and ultra dry conditioning are achieved at the expense of proportions and symmetry most of the time) . Had Dorian had a great midsection in '93, he would have been the most complete Bber ever by leaps and bounds.
and what about nasser beating dorian on arms, quads, shoulders, hamstrings, chest and dorians distended midsection? you can't simply look at dorians back and or coniditioning and say that is all that matters. no, my opinion is that dorians injuries and distension should have 'disqualified' him after 93.
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The fact is that Ronnie absolutely destroyed guys. His arms and back and conditioning killed people. Dorian NEVER blew anyone off the stage. Most years Dorian didn't even deserve to win.
agreed. but your trying to tell the delusional idiots like ND this..and they won't accept reality.
93 dorian won convincingly.
every other year he was always being owned by people left right and center..
the proof is all over the place..
did he deserve to win all these times? no. did he deserve to win some of them? yes.
did he deserve his perfect scores? fuck no.
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The fact is that Ronnie absolutely destroyed guys. His arms and back and conditioning killed people. Dorian NEVER blew anyone off the stage. Most years Dorian didn't even deserve to win.
Yeah okay Dorian was so far and ahead of everyone in 1993 they didn't even include him in the muscularity round , you're just being absurd now he never blew anyone off stage ::) 1995 he obliterated everyone
you're just being silly now
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agreed. but your trying to tell the delusional idiots like ND this..and they won't accept reality.
93 dorian won convincingly.
every other year he was always being owned by people left right and center..
the proof is all over the place..
did he deserve to win all these times? no. did he deserve to win some of them? yes.
did he deserve his perfect scores? fuck no.
Reality isn't a couple of carefully selected pics that you think prove your point. another one of your weak philosophical arguments ( strawman ) add that with your heavy reliance on appeals to numbers and outright ignorance and you're exposed for the moron you are.
you're the complete fucking idiot that has the balls 1994 was a close contest and 2001 Ronnie dominated , you as far removed from reality as it gets , which is why you've been corrected on here many times by industry professionals as well as countless times by me and many others.
you don't even know how contests are judged how the fuck can you form an intelligent well thought out argument?
reality is Dorian was so far ahead of everyone people this day are scrambling to catch up , at his worse he was eons better than everyone.
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ronnie was with metrx for his three olympias: 98, 99, and 2000.
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The fact is that Ronnie absolutely destroyed guys. His arms and back and conditioning killed people. Dorian NEVER blew anyone off the stage. Most years Dorian didn't even deserve to win.
that's because ronnie's competition is no where near the competition dorian faced. your only as good as who you beat and compete against - that's why TCU and Boise state will never play in the national title game. - samething with bbing.
also, from reports on here from people who attended the shows, said clearly yates was the winner as sooon as he stepped on stage.
why did yates always recieve the loudest reception while onstage? surely, if he did not deserve to win, the fans in the audience would voice their opinion.
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Yeah okay Dorian was so far and ahead of everyone in 1993 they didn't even include him in the muscularity round ,
no, they didn't include him because he was that far ahead.
they didn't include him because the judges didn't give a shit what he looked like. they were told to score him the winner no matter what.
that the judges were prepared to score a competitor without comparing him to his competitors in the round is the very definition of biased judging.
its too bad the IFBB almost pulled that stunt. because there is no way around avoiding the fact that
not including dorian but scoring him anyway is by definition, biased judging..
great move IFBB ::)
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hulkster,
do you really think that the few yates' pictures you purposfuly select really sum up an entire career?
everyone knows what you do and totally ignores your point.
you could find bad pics of any bber and then claim, they didnt deserve to win.
see below; notice how ronnie is by himself, it would be even worse compared to others:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc10.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc11.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc287.jpg)
nice gyno
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc270.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/rc169.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc862.jpg)
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reality is Dorian was so far ahead of everyone people this day are scrambling to catch up , at his worse he was eons better than everyone
LOL
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yeah sure..
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LOL a few? how about most dorian shots, especially post tear show that he was scored incorrectly relative to the other competitors..
and yes, ronnie looks shitty in those shots.
why? because he was in shitty shape (for him) - except the 99 shot where he is not even flexing yet.
problem with dorian, is that even in his 'best shape' eg. 95, he looks bad:
you never got that with Ronnie when he was "on"
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^
notice, dorian gets owned, judges score him perfect anyway..
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notice, dorian gets owned, judges score him perfect anyway..
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nasser has the double bi shot, but yates wins the other poses.
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no, they didn't include him because he was that far ahead.
they didn't include him because the judges didn't give a shit what he looked like. they were told to score him the winner no matter what.
that the judges were prepared to score a competitor without comparing him to his competitors in the round is the very definition of biased judging.
its too bad the IFBB almost pulled that stunt. because there is no way around avoiding the fact that
not including dorian but scoring him anyway is by definition, biased judging..
great move IFBB ::)
Spoken like the little crybaby you are. If Ronnie had done this you'd be shouting from the rooftops and it would be evidence of how great he was but when it's Dorian it's a scam ::)
Dorian is the most dominating bodybuilder in IFBB history and he dominated over among the best competitors to boot
and you're right about biased judging , finally you're getting it ...the judges were biased towards Dorian's physique because it fits the fucking criteria you dummy.
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LOL
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yeah sure..
You just proved my point idiot , that pic is from 1995 Ronnie 4 years latter still wasn't in Yates league as far as muscular bulk , balanced development , density & dryness
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Yeah okay Dorian was so far and ahead of everyone in 1993 they didn't even include him in the muscularity round , you're just being absurd now he never blew anyone off stage ::) 1995 he obliterated everyone
you're just being silly now
That post about Yates alone shows how little Ed knows about bodybuilding. Sounds as ill-informed as mainstream journalists when they make their occasional but typical articles about bodybuilding, bashing everything about it.
Hulkster being a typical ignorant douche as always, in this thread.
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LOL a few? how about most dorian shots, especially post tear show that he was scored incorrectly relative to the other competitors..
and yes, ronnie looks shitty in those shots.
why? because he was in shitty shape (for him) - except the 99 shot where he is not even flexing yet.
problem with dorian, is that even in his 'best shape' eg. 95, he looks bad:
you never got that with Ronnie when he was "on"
lmfao at Hulkster complaining about pictures of Ronnie supposedly not flexing yet , what a fucking hypocritical statement
You don't know how contests are judged which is exactly why you claim the contests weren't scored correctly , just another example of your stupidity
FYI dummy , Dorian can lose a couple of poses and still win with a perfect score and how? the high & low scores are tossed out , you constantly prove my point about you being a complete idiot. How can you form an opinion when you don't even know how contests are judged? on top of being outright biased to the point of claiming Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time. you can't you have an axe to grind with Dorian
And you were just bitching about Ronnie not being unflexed but there you go , case closed Hulkster = hypocrite troll
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hulkster,
do you really think that the few yates' pictures you purposfuly select really sum up an entire career?
everyone knows what you do and totally ignores your point.
you could find bad pics of any bber and then claim, they didnt deserve to win.
see below; notice how ronnie is by himself, it would be even worse compared to others:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc10.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc11.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc287.jpg)
nice gyno
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc270.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/rc169.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc862.jpg)
Great points , stupid Hulkster getting exposed for the troll he is once again.
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Hulkster,have you ever actually attended ANY contest at any level from the amateurs to the pro`s,because i`ve lost count of the number of times someone has stepped onstage and stood in the lineup,and been that far ahead of everyone else that there has been no need to compare them.I`ve seen this happen at local shows,national shows and pro shows.
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nasser has the double bi shot, but yates wins the other poses.
are you sure?
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really are you sure??
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sure??..
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sure??..
Im pretty sure its still..
Dorian = 6 times Mr. Olympia.
Nasser = NOBODY.
:D
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That post about Yates alone shows how little Ed knows about bodybuilding. Sounds as ill-informed as mainstream journalists when they make their occasional but typical articles about bodybuilding, bashing everything about it.
Hulkster being a typical ignorant douche as always, in this thread.
But remember Kiwi, the whole BB community agrees with him. ::)
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really are you sure??
You picked the worst possible pics to support your claim. All you can see is fuzzy outlines of the BB's. lol.
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The truth is, these guys have never been to an Olympia and ignore the criteria of how contests are judged. They look at a few good or bad photos and can't comprehend how a bodybuilder either won/lost.
Look at the Yates '93 photo shoot video that's been posted many times, particularly his legs. They are thick from all angles. That's the way they always looked - it's not apparent in the crappy photos that are always produced.
I saw Yates at multiple contests in the 90s. He totally dominated. To say otherwise is just ignorant.
But, if you think from a few photos that you guys know the real story, even though it contradicts the judges, magazines, industry experts, and quotes from other bodybuilders who were there, knock yourselves out.
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The truth is, these guys have never been to an Olympia and ignore the criteria of how contests are judged. They look at a few good or bad photos and can't comprehend how a bodybuilder either won/lost.
Look at the Yates '93 photo shoot video that's been posted many times, particularly his legs. They are thick from all angles. That's the way they always looked - it's not apparent in the crappy photos that are always produced.
I saw Yates at multiple contests in the 90s. He totally dominated. To say otherwise is just ignorant.
But, if you think from a few photos that you guys know the real story, even though it contradicts the judges, magazines, industry experts, and quotes from other bodybuilders who were there, knock yourselves out.
Don't worry, Hulkster will be along shortly to attempt to discredit you. Probably by saying eyewitness accounts are worthless.
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are you sure?
No contest 1996 Yates dominated Nasser again , you can argue about 1997 every other year was NO contest
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The truth is, these guys have never been to an Olympia and ignore the criteria of how contests are judged. They look at a few good or bad photos and can't comprehend how a bodybuilder either won/lost.
Look at the Yates '93 photo shoot video that's been posted many times, particularly his legs. They are thick from all angles. That's the way they always looked - it's not apparent in the crappy photos that are always produced.
I saw Yates at multiple contests in the 90s. He totally dominated. To say otherwise is just ignorant.
But, if you think from a few photos that you guys know the real story, even though it contradicts the judges, magazines, industry experts, and quotes from other bodybuilders who were there, knock yourselves out.
Great post !
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To discredit Dorian based on the same 10 Hulkster-selected pics is ridiculous. Seemingly everyone who ever saw him in person agrees that he was the thickest, most complete and best conditioned competitor of his era. Were some of his wins controversial? Of course, just like 01 and 02 were for Ronnie, 1980 was for Arnold, and 07 was for Jay.
I attended the Mr. O from 02-06. In 02, Ronnie was pushed by a small-legged Kevin to the limit. Ronnie did not stand out that year in person and was lucky to win. 03 and 04 were no contest because Ronnie was SO much bigger than everyone else, he was truly unbelievable. Hulkster loves to argue that Dorian shouldn't have won after his bicep was torn. What about Ronnie's 05 win with an atrophied left lat, tricep and quad?
To argue that Ronnie was a better bodybuilder than Dorian is fine. The sport is subjective and different criteria appeal to different people. Ronnie was a great Mr. Olympia and probably the freakiest bodybuilder ever. However, to deny that it would be close between a peak Dorian and a peak Ronnie is complete nonsense. Was 94 close? Yes, Dorian was off and Shawn nailed it; however, Dorian's condition was only slightly worse Shawn's best ever (that is how good Dorian was) and he absolutely dwarfed him.
Unless, of course, you have an unhealthy obsession with Dorian such that you have dedicated the majority of time in your life to posting the most unflattering pics as proof of your bullshit. Honestly, I have never, ever heard of or witnessed someone so obsessed with a bodybuilder. Hulkster, you are getting more and more pathetic with each post; with each unrelated thread that you hijack; and each post that contains the same 10 Dorian pics you have been posting for YEARS now. Yes, YEARS. Dorian clearly owns Hulkster's mind!
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Shawn could never be Mr.Olympia in the 1980s or 90s. He was too small for that era. He would definitely have won it in 77' against Zane and also 79', but Arnold in his 80' form would have beaten him. Too bad for Ray.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You picked the worst possible pics to support your claim. All you can see is fuzzy outlines of the BB's. lol.
bad pics are bad for both and good pics are good for both ::)
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To discredit Dorian based on the same 10 Hulkster-selected pics is ridiculous. Seemingly everyone who ever saw him in person agrees that he was the thickest, most complete and best conditioned competitor of his era. Were some of his wins controversial? Of course, just like 01 and 02 were for Ronnie, 1980 was for Arnold, and 07 was for Jay.
I attended the Mr. O from 02-06. In 02, Ronnie was pushed by a small-legged Kevin to the limit. Ronnie did not stand out that year in person and was lucky to win. 03 and 04 were no contest because Ronnie was SO much bigger than everyone else, he was truly unbelievable. Hulkster loves to argue that Dorian shouldn't have won after his bicep was torn. What about Ronnie's 05 win with an atrophied left lat, tricep and quad?
To argue that Ronnie was a better bodybuilder than Dorian is fine. The sport is subjective and different criteria appeal to different people. Ronnie was a great Mr. Olympia and probably the freakiest bodybuilder ever. However, to deny that it would be close between a peak Dorian and a peak Ronnie is complete nonsense. Was 94 close? Yes, Dorian was off and Shawn nailed it; however, Dorian's condition was only slightly worse Shawn's best ever (that is how good Dorian was) and he absolutely dwarfed him.
Unless, of course, you have an unhealthy obsession with Dorian such that you have dedicated the majority of time in your life to posting the most unflattering pics as proof of your bullshit. Honestly, I have never, ever heard of or witnessed someone so obsessed with a bodybuilder. Hulkster, you are getting more and more pathetic with each post; with each unrelated thread that you hijack; and each post that contains the same 10 Dorian pics you have been posting for YEARS now. Yes, YEARS. Dorian clearly owns Hulkster's mind!
Great post ! Hulkster = dumb troll
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Great post ! Hulkster = dumb troll
ND, Dorian is posting on your MD thread. Try not to get his nuts lodged in your throat on the way back.
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ND, Dorian is posting on your MD thread. Try not to get his nuts lodged in your throat on the way back.
Funny you should bring that up because I had no clue , maybe I can find room in my throat after your done with him ;)
I'm still laughing at Dorian never blew anyone off-stage comment ;D
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Hulkster,have you ever actually attended ANY contest at any level from the amateurs to the pro`s,because i`ve lost count of the number of times someone has stepped onstage and stood in the lineup,and been that far ahead of everyone else that there has been no need to compare them.I`ve seen this happen at local shows,national shows and pro shows.
all that tells us is that biased judging occurs often.
doesn't mean it is right.
and it should NEVER have occured at the sport's biggest show. but it did in 1993.. ::)
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Seemingly everyone who ever saw him in person agrees that he was the thickest, most complete and best conditioned competitor of his era.
LOL check your facts.
others have seen them both compete too you know:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
Of course directly.
And I have seen him competing directly 1994 and 1996.
And I say
Dorian is not in the league of Ronnie.
Best Ronnie was from the outer space.
No competition.
your opinion, based on your past posts, is of course as biased as ND's are..which is sad.
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all that tells us is that biased judging occurs often.
doesn't mean it is right.
and it should NEVER have occured at the sport's biggest show. but it did in 1993.. ::)
Boo-hoo it never happened to Ronnie so it's unfair ::) if it did happen to Ronnie and not Dorian you'd be singing from the roof-tops you can't so it's unfair ::)
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LOL check your facts.
others have seen them both compete too you know:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
your opinion, based on your past posts, is of course as biased as ND's are..which is sad.
Flex Magazine Jan 1999
Ernie Taylor
" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "
and?
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
And?
JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
And?
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
Thanks for playing
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Flex Magazine Jan 1999
Ernie Taylor
" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "
and?
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
And?
JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
And?
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
Thanks for playing
a big percentage of your +30000 posts is repeated posts :-X
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Boo-hoo it never happened to Ronnie so it's unfair ::) if it did happen to Ronnie and not Dorian you'd be singing from the roof-tops you can't so it's unfair ::)
wrong.
I am glad it never happened to ronnie. it would suck if one of his wins was tained with blatant partial predetermined judging that way...
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Shawn just wasnt big enough to compete with Dorrian
Apples and oranges....I mean watermelon and raisons. ;)
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Shawn just wasnt big enough to compete with Dorrian
Then,following the same logic,Dorian just wasn't big enough to compete with Ferrigno in 92 and 93 ::)
The sad thing is that Dorian's win over Shawn in 94 was based on size alone.
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Shawn said anything to benefit him. Anything that could get him to win because he believed in insanity, presenting the same package every year and expecting a different result each time.
Hulkster, after the 1998 Mr.O Shawn said they weren't giving the title to the best bodybuilder but the most improved. Do you agree with that?
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Shawn said anything to benefit him. Anything that could get him to win because he believed in insanity, presenting the same package every year and expecting a different result each time.
Hulkster, after the 1998 Mr.O Shawn said they weren't giving the title to the best bodybuilder but the most improved. Do you agree with that?
I had repeated what Shawn said...he actually was predicting the 2009 Mr. O---the most improved bodybuilder. Shawn was talking out his ass, as usually after he lost. Ronnie blasted the competition (Almost, it could have gone either way between him or Flex)
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Shawn just wasnt big enough to compete with Dorrian
Dorian just wasn't big enough to compete with Paul ;)
By the way if Shawn was small for Dorian how he wasn't small for Dillet?...Or the 6'5'' 325 lbs.Ferrigno?...
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Dorian just wasn't big enough to compete with Paul ;)
By the way if Shawn was small for Dorian how he wasn't small for Dillet?...Or the 6'5'' 325 lbs.Ferrigno?...
paul had no back
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paul had no back
So it all comes down to the best overall package after all...And Shawn had it in 94!
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when shawn was under IFBB contract, he never bashed dorian's wins.
when he was not, he spoke how he really felt. that he was screwed.
this was simply being smart about his career.
he has publicly stated that he felt he should have won in 94, even on this board back when he was on it.
but he would never say that while under contract with Uncle Joe.
a smart move. that would have been career suicide.
Put Milos' legs on Clairmonte's upper body and you have a winner.
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So it all comes down to the best overall package after all...And Shawn had it in 94!
Not compared to Dorian he didn't
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Then,following the same logic,Dorian just wasn't big enough to compete with Ferrigno in 92 and 93 ::)
The sad thing is that Dorian's win over Shawn in 94 was based on size alone.
yup. dorian was bigger. not better that year. although he was certainly wider.
but so was Paul Dillett, and that didn't get him anywhere..
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Not compared to Dorian he didn't
think again
dorian was bigger, but not better:
look at the quality of shawn: the vastly superior quads, midsection, cut pecs etc.
dorian was blob by comparison.
but a bigger blob, and thats all the judges cared about. ::)
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think again
dorian was bigger, but not better:
look at the quality of shawn: the vastly superior quads, midsection, cut pecs etc.
dorian was blob by comparison.
but a bigger blob, and thats all the judges cared about. ::)
If you had the slightest idea of how contests are judged you couldn't type with any intelligence that Shawn should have won
Great job picking a few parts and making a blanket statement and thinking you accomplished something , I can always count on you for faulty logic and weak arguments.
Density & Dryness , Balance & proportion , Muscular Bulk , posing & presentation , according to how contests are judged Shawn wasn't even close. wait that's not true he was close......... to third place competitor Levrone whom he ONLY beat by a single point. ;D
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Not compared to Dorian he didn't
Compared to Dorian of 93 he didn't,but compared to Dorian of 94 he was better overall and so was Kevin.
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Compared to Dorian of 93 he didn't,but compared to Dorian of 94 he was better overall and so was Kevin.
Compared to Dorian 1994 neither were for every flaw you can find on Dorian I can find on Shawn & Kevin
there was NO contest in 1994
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spoken like a true delusional guy.. ::)
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spoken like a true delusional guy.. ::)
Nice pic at least it's not photoshopped ;D
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I was attending the show so no need to shower biased pics in this thread (see Dorian about to hit a tricep shot whilst Kevin and Shawn is already flexing so hard they're about to shit themselves). From the people LIVE in the audience there was never any doubt or never any real contest for first place. I'm daily amazed at these people on Getbig claiming to be bodybuilding fans yet never been to a show, never met a pro, or haven't the faintest idea how contests are judged. Spend 20min researching the criteria the judge are looking for and you'll be FAR better equipped to engage in debate with people that do know these things.
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Compared to Dorian 1994 neither were for every flaw you can find on Dorian I can find on Shawn & Kevin
there was NO contest in 1994
Dorian had more muscular bulk,but Shaun had better symmetry,proportions,conditioning(in 94!),muscle separation ,details,aesthetics and he was the better poser...
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Density & Dryness , Balance & proportion , Muscular Bulk , posing & presentation
what is ironic about ND's statement is that in 94 at least, shawn was better conditioned than dorian and had better balance and proportion (torn bi anyone?)
LOL
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I was attending the show so no need to shower biased pics in this thread (see Dorian about to hit a tricep shot whilst Kevin and Shawn is already flexing so hard they're about to shit themselves). From the people LIVE in the audience there was never any doubt or never any real contest for first place. I'm daily amazed at these people on Getbig claiming to be bodybuilding fans yet never been to a show, never met a pro, or haven't the faintest idea how contests are judged. Spend 20min researching the criteria the judge are looking for and you'll be FAR better equipped to engage in debate with people that do know these things.
Great post ! internet-bodybuilding fans posting pics of an unflexed Dorian coming to the conclusion he should have lost LMMFAO
Only on Getbig
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Nice pic at least it's not photoshopped ;D
considering how awful dorian looks and how great shawn looks, no doubt you wish it were..
but that is typical of 1994. shawn at his best, dorian at his arguable worst.
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what is ironic about ND's statement is that in 94 at least, shawn was better conditioned than dorian and had better balance and proportion (torn bi anyone?)
LOL
No calves anyone? NO back width anyone? narrow calvicles anyone? 205lbs anyone?
Shawn wasn't better conditioned than Dorian either
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considering how awful dorian looks and how great shawn looks, no doubt you wish it were..
but that is typical of 1994. shawn at his best, dorian at his arguable worst.
just .... ::)
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From the people LIVE in the audience there was never any doubt or never any real contest for first place
ironically, many contest reporters who were also there beg to differ with you on that one.
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Here is another side triceps pic.Still dorian's triceps looks flat.
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ironically, many contest reporters who were also there beg to differ with you on that one.
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Blanket statement if I've ever seen one. The judges knew Dorian won, the fans in attendance knew, the magazines knew. Seriously dude, what's your fucking issue with Dorian? Go on then, let's see those links where the reporters claim Dorian didn't deserve to win.
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No calves anyone? NO back width anyone? narrow calvicles anyone? 205lbs anyone?
horrible torn arm anyone?
67 inch waist anyone?
getting owned by the 7th and 11th place competitor anyone?
LOL LOL LOL
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ironically, many contest reporters who were also there beg to differ with you on that one.
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Yeah they beg to differ with you as well but you tend to overlook that hypocrite ;)
quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "
thanks for playing save yourself the excuses they've been corrected many times already
quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded that in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "
quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."
quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "
Even Dorian didn't think Shawn was in second
Quote Jim Rockell one of the chair of the I.F.B.B. Judging committe on Dorian at the 1994 Mr Olympia
Audience members heartily disapproved of Levrone's third place finish in the Mr Olympia contest.
Said Manion : My score sheet was identical to the final results. Dorian (Yates' ) size and rear blew everyone else away. Shawn ( Ray ) was in great shape but couldn't top Dorian this time. The same is true with Kevin , Paul Dillett seemed to be holding water. If Kevin and Paul came in top shape , they would have been right up there.
Added Rockell: Dorian had a SLIGHT injury but as far as I'm concerned , it had NO bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. Paul's major deficiencies were in his back : not enough muscularity for his large frame. also basic stamina throughout was in question ; during call-outs , he was breathing heavy and bending over.
Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).
Do I really need to continue?
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Go on then, let's see those links where the reporters claim Dorian didn't deserve to win.
go and grab the 94 olympia musclemag.
pay close attention to the comments in the muscle go round section in the beginning of the magazine.
enjoy. LOL
they coined the phrase "one armed bandit" to describe dorian that year hahaha
how right they were..
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horrible torn arm anyone?
67 inch waist anyone?
getting owned by the 7th and 11th place competitor anyone?
LOL LOL LOL
His whole arm was torn? really? ??? when did that happen?
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His whole arm was torn? really? ??? when did that happen?
probably when he was trying to deadlift 12 pounds precontest LOL
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go and grab the 94 olympia musclemag.
pay close attention to the comments in the muscle go round section in the beginning of the magazine.
enjoy. LOL
they coined the phrase "one armed bandit" to describe dorian that year hahaha
how right they were..
Where are all the people who claimed? that's one person that means ZERO from the multiple quotes I posted above
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Here is another side triceps pic.Still dorian's triceps looks flat.
notice how well conditioned shawn was that you can see his glute striations from the side (no homo)
dorian was not to that level of dryness that year.
as much as the nuthuggers will hate to admit it, shawn had better conditioning that year.
and it shows in every single shot.
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Here is another side triceps pic.Still dorian's triceps looks flat.
So you had this pic yet decided not to post it? how about this one? ;)
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Before Dorian there was never a winner of mr.Olympia and any other major title in all the history of BB with a distended stomach.Dorian was the first and he should have been penalized for that.Aesthetics is part of the criteria.
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notice how well conditioned shawn was that you can see his glute striations from the side (no homo)
dorian was not to that level of dryness that year.
as much as the nuthuggers will hate to admit it, shawn had better conditioning that year.
and it shows in every single shot.
Hahahahaha you liked Shawn ass more that year to he should have won , great logic.
but hey you do love your ebony asses no homo LMFAO
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So you had this pic yet decided not to post it? how about this one? ;)
From that angle you can't see how flat was Dorian's triceps.And this is a side triceps pose!
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Before Dorian there was never a winner of mr.Olympia and any other major title in all the history of BB with a distended stomach.Dorian was the first and he should have been penalized for that.Aesthetics is part of the criteria.
So is density , so is balance , so is proportion , so is bulk so is posing lots of parts to the criteria NO ONE fits them all but Dorian did better than most
you can't pick and choose which part of the criteria to judge while ignoring the rest NOT how it works'
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From that angle you can't see how flat was Dorian's triceps.And this is a side triceps pose!
from the angle you posted you couldn't evebn see Dorian posed yet
he has a flat tricep now huh? sure he does ::) you can't see Shawn's calves ( which the judges look for in every pose ) you can't see the muscular bulk he's carrying ( maybe because he's 205 lbs ) you can see his short legs and high calves , you can see his long torso I mean I can continue
NO ONE and I mean no one touches Dorian in the side triceps ( or lats spreads , and ab-thigh and lol )
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Dorian had the best side tri ever imo...
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Dorian had the best side tri ever imo...
Absolutely it's not in question just like his lat spreads and his ab-thigh and every pose ;D
The Flexonline pic is from 1994 and some pics of Yates I see from 1997 I'm like he should have lost than others like that side tricep it's business as usual
What's funny is they always bitch about his arms , yet NO ONE can match him in this pose , they always bitch about his waist yet NO ONE can touch him in the ab-thigh I means all of these ' advantages ' yet they don't have a better pose when all is said and done
what's what makes Dorian unique
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Dorian had the best side tri ever imo...
IMO it was Kevin.However,Dorian had great side triceps in 93 and 95,but his triceps were flat in 94 and 96.
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horrible torn arm anyone?
67 inch waist anyone?
getting owned by the 7th and 11th place competitor anyone?
LOL LOL LOL
Yeah, getting owned alright ::)
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IMO it was Kevin.However,Dorian had great side triceps in 93 and 95,but his triceps were flat in 94 and 96.
Kevin's calves were ' flat ' all years :-\
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So is density , so is balance , so is proportion , so is bulk so is posing lots of parts to the criteria NO ONE fits them all but Dorian did better than most
you can't pick and choose which part of the criteria to judge while ignoring the rest NOT how it works'
Balance and proportion is a single part of the criteria isn't it?Dorian didn't have the best proportions.He had the second best back in the history combined with a pair of lagging arms.His quads were also lagging for the era(both in size and details)His pecs were not very good as well.
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Balance and proportion is a single part of the criteria isn't it?Dorian didn't have the best proportions.He had the second best back in the history combined with a pair of lagging arms.His quads were also lagging for the era(both in size and details)His pecs were not very good as well.
And his gut alone destroyed his proportions imo...
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notice how well conditioned shawn was that you can see his glute striations from the side (no homo)
dorian was not to that level of dryness that year.
as much as the nuthuggers will hate to admit it, shawn had better conditioning that year.
and it shows in every single shot.
shawn had better conditioning than ever, for shawn.
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Balance and proportion is a single part of the criteria isn't it?Dorian didn't have the best proportions.He had the second best back in the history combined with a pair of lagging arms.His quads were also lagging for the era(both in size and details)His pecs were not very good as well.
Sure all of that is true which is exactly why he won so much ::)
Dorian didn't have the best proportions but he had the best combo of all the criteria.
Now his arms are lagging ::) his forearms , triceps and bicep were all lacking , he had the best back in the history of the sport ;) , yes everything was lacking so it should have been very easy to beat him yet no one came close
spare me the politics plea because I've heard that to many times
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And his gut alone destroyed his proportions imo...
yeah and his entire arms were lacking too in your opinion ::)
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Kevin's calves were ' flat ' all years :-\
Other than calves and back Kevin was better everywhere(thighs,hamstrings,delts,triceps,biceps and pecs).
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Other than calves and back Kevin was better everywhere(thighs,hamstrings,delts,triceps,biceps and pecs).
Sure he was which is exactly why he beat Dorian ........................ ........zero times.
you can't try and tally up parts to see who is better NOT how it works.
Kevin had long torso , short legs , sub-par calves , hit-or-miss conditioning ! I mean I can continue , he lags behind Dorian in density & dryness , muscular bulk and overall completeness ..you must consider everything not a few things.
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yeah and his entire arms were lacking too in your opinion ::)
Yes,with the exeption of the forearms which overpowered his upperarms and in 97 were the same size as his upperarms.
And having calves bigger than your upperarms isn't the best example for the best proportions either.
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No way KL was better than Dorian.
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Yes,with the exeption of the forearms which overpowered his upperarms and in 97 were the same size as his upperarms.
And having calves bigger than your upperarms isn't the best example for the best proportions either.
You measured his arms and his calves? ??? really what number did you come up with?
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In this video Dorian's superiority over KL is obvious...it wasn't even close.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067#
I don't think KL wins a single pose vs. Dorian here.
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Sure he was which is exactly why he beat Dorian ........................ ........zero times.
you can't try and tally up parts to see who is better NOT how it works.
Kevin had long torso , short legs , sub-par calves , hit-or-miss conditioning ! I mean I can continue , he lags behind Dorian in density & dryness , muscular bulk and overall completeness ..you must consider everything not a few things.
We do not discuss who won,but who should have and in particular in 94.Sometimes the best doesn't win in BB and we have many examples for that-81,82,90,94,97,2007,probably even more...
Kevin's conditioning was hit in 94 and he had better muscular bulk and fulness than Dorian that year.
Dorian was holding water,he wasn't dry in 94.
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No way KL was better than Dorian.
Posting pics from 95 doesn't prove anything about 94!
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:o
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We do not discuss who won,but who should have and in particular in 94.Sometimes the best doesn't win in BB and we have many examples for that-81,82,90,94,97,2007,probably even more...
Kevin's conditioning was hit in 94 and he had better muscular bulk and fulness than Dorian that year.
Dorian was holding water,he wasn't dry in 94.
Troll away , gimmick ;D
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Other than calves and back Kevin was better everywhere(thighs,hamstrings,delts,triceps,biceps and pecs).
Here is the quote I posted the pics in response to....I don't see any mention of 94. Funny you fall back to 94 after being disproved about your blanket statement of KL being "better everywhere" besides calves and back. I'll agree that 94 (especially the prejuding) was not Dorian's best showing. However, his conditioning was at least equal to Ray's and still better than KL's which is why he won.
Btw...this 94 rdb shot of Yates is one of the freakiest I have seen.
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Those are some great shots of 94 - thanks for posting them. I am a huge KL fan, and yes it's close, but Dorian just has on overall thickness from every angle that KL doesn't. Dorian's color was way off in 94 for some reason.
Do you think KL was better than Ray in 94??
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Those are some great shots of 94 - thanks for posting them. I am a huge KL fan, and yes it's close, but Dorian just has on overall thickness from every angle that KL doesn't. Dorian's color was way off in 94 for some reason.
Do you think KL was better than Ray in 94??
IMO it could have gone either way between Shawn and Kevin for 1st,then Dorian in 3rd.
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That's fair - they certainly pushed Dorian that year. Here are some more pics I found of 94.
Also, here is a great MM comparison from 95, KL wins, but both look awesome.
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That's fair - they certainly pushed Dorian that year. Here are some more pics I found of 94.
Also, here is a great MM comparison from 95, KL wins, but both look awesome.
If Dorian competed with his 93 or 95 shape in 94,Kevin and Shawn wouldn't stand a chance,but he didn't.Best Dorian versus best Shawn or Kevin-Dorian wins.But 94 Dorian versus 94 Ray and 94 Levrone-Shawn and Kevin were better imo.
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hulkster puts up a good struggle but gets owned by nd pretty bad lately.
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If Dorian competed with his 93 or 95 shape in 94,Kevin and Shawn wouldn't stand a chance,but he didn't.Best Dorian versus best Shawn or Kevin-Dorian wins.But 94 Dorian versus 94 Ray and 94 Levrone-Shawn and Kevin were better imo.
Good argument. I can't say "you are wrong" because all of this is subjective and your opinion is credible. 94 was damn close and Dorian won by a razor's edge. I wish I could find a prejudging video of the callouts.
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Not sure what else is left to say. History is what it is. It cannot be rewritten. We can debate '97 if you will where 'some' of your points 'might' be in the realms of validity, but all other years there is no doubt on the superiority of Dorian Yates. Most of you naysayers cling to quotes made by bitter journalists and competitors who in their hearts of hearts knew that their best years were spent chasing Yates and their best was never enough. They did what was left to do for them and just spew bile (see Shawn for example). Yates changed the sport forever and to the day he is still imitated, but never rivalled. That is really all that is left to say.
Now, let's see those selective pics again. You know, the ones of a relaxed Yates used to prove ... I don't know ... some strange point.
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Not sure what else is left to say. History is what it is. It cannot be rewritten. We can debate '97 if you will where 'some' of your points 'might' be in the realms of validity, but all other years there is no doubt on the superiority of Dorian Yates. Most of you naysayers cling to quotes made by bitter journalists and competitors who in their hearts of hearts knew that their best years were spent chasing Yates and their best was never enough. They did what was left to do for them and just spew bile (see Shawn for example). Yates changed the sport forever and to the day he is still imitated, but never rivalled. That is really all that is left to say.
Now, let's see those selective pics again. You know, the ones of a relaxed Yates used to prove ... I don't know ... some strange point.
Another dead accurate post.
Let's see another pose of a fully flexed Kevin & Shawn and an unflexed Dorian with the commentary about how he's losing a pose he's not hitting yet ;D
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Not sure what else is left to say. History is what it is. It cannot be rewritten. We can debate '97 if you will where 'some' of your points 'might' be in the realms of validity, but all other years there is no doubt on the superiority of Dorian Yates. Most of you naysayers cling to quotes made by bitter journalists and competitors who in their hearts of hearts knew that their best years were spent chasing Yates and their best was never enough. They did what was left to do for them and just spew bile (see Shawn for example). Yates changed the sport forever and to the day he is still imitated, but never rivalled. That is really all that is left to say.
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ah well, I'm off to the gym. I'll let ND and Mr.1derful continue posting in my absence. Who knows... maybe I'll compete in the next Mr. Getbig. I've put on a lot of size and worked on my weaknesses since Mr. Getbig 2. I would encourage ND to enter since he claims he's bigger than me but I know he'll just come up with an excuse to pussy out
;D
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Flex stating an ' strong argument ' can be made for Dorian having the best back ;D
In our March 2008 issue we ranked Dorian Yates’ back as the second best of all-time behind Ronnie Coleman’s, but we hedged our bet with the assertion that a strong argument can be made for Yates as number one.
http://www.flexonline.com/dorian_yates_back/training/211
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That's fair - they certainly pushed Dorian that year. Here are some more pics I found of 94.
Also, here is a great MM comparison from 95, KL wins, but both look awesome.
kl does not win the shot. look how bunched and narrow his delts and chest are compared to Yates.
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True, but he made some good points.
Sean is a bitter individual and is hated by most of his colleagues.
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kl does not win thie shot. look how bunched and narrow his delts and chest are compared to Yates.
NO matter what pose it is the judges apply ALL the criteria even the most muscular you still have to have the most muscular bulk , you still have to have great balance & proportion , density & dryness , etc
This applies to every single pose while some guys have advantages in certain pose as a whole when everything is applied they lose the pose
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NO matter what pose it is the judges apply ALL the criteria even the most muscular you still have to have the most muscular bulk , you still have to blow Joe Weider, you still have to have great balance & proportion , density & dryness , etc
fixed. :-*
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fixed. :-*
Yes poor Ronnie imagine what he had to do all those years they carried him :-X
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ah well, I'm off to the gym. I'll let ND and Mr.1derful continue posting in my absence. Who knows... maybe I'll compete in the next Mr. Getbig. I've put on a lot of size and worked on my weaknesses since Mr. Getbig 2. I would encourage ND to enter since he claims he's bigger than me but I know he'll just come up with an excuse to pussy out
what was the point of posting that quote?
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Other than calves and back Kevin was better everywhere(thighs,hamstrings,delts,triceps,biceps and pecs).
save your strenghth ND never sees this point he thinks it's fair that the contest should be won on one bodypart.
Symetry Dorian loses
shape Dorian loses
arms legs chest shoulders Dorian loses
but because he has conditioning and a good back ND thinks Dorian should win even with one arm if that isn't bias then tell me what is
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save your strenghth ND never sees this point he thinks it's fair that the contest should be won on one bodypart.
Symetry Dorian loses
shape Dorian loses
arms legs chest shoulders Dorian loses
but because he has conditioning and a good back ND thinks Dorian should win even with one arm if that isn't bias then tell me what is
If entertaining what you say is truth it should have been very easy to beat Dorian yet none did put some thought into that one and see what you come up with
surely a ' conditioning and a good back ' shouldn't be hard to beat especially from guys who have so much more to offer ;D
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NO matter what pose it is the judges apply ALL the criteria even the most muscular you still have to have the most muscular bulk , you still have to have great balance & proportion , density & dryness , etc
This applies to every single pose while some guys have advantages in certain pose as a whole when everything is applied they lose the pose
You didn't mention(probably intentionally) symmetry,aesthetic shape,muscle separation and details,which are also parts of the criteria...
At the end of the day Shawn Ray had the most symmetrical,balanced,aesthetic,conditioned and shreded physique on that given day.
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You didn't mention(probably intentionally) symmetry,aesthetic shape,muscle separation and details,which are also parts of the criteria...
At the end of the day Shawn Ray had the most symmetrical,balanced,aesthetic,conditioned and shreded physique on that given day.
You don't know the criteria which is why you just omitted parts of , and more proof you don't have a clue on what you're talking about balance is part is symmetry so you fluffed up Shawn's advantages over Dorian the same way you did with conditioning and ' shreded ' ( sic ) being shredded is part & parcel of conditioning and even entertaining what you did say is truth why did Shawn place second? and try it would the politics plea it will only confirm what I already suspect.
Go learn how contests are judged before you commit to a statement or you run the risk of being corrected and looking ignorant
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Another dead accurate post.
Let's see another pose of a fully flexed Kevin & Shawn and an unflexed Dorian with the commentary about how he's losing a pose he's not hitting yet ;D
It's hard to know when Dorian is hitting the pose since he looks unflexed in many of the comparisons ;D
It looks that he actually was hitting the pose,but in a wrong way.His triceps looks tensed and it looks the same as in the second pic.Only his abs are not flexed,probably because he was breathing heavily at that moment(and for a good reason).
Here are 2 side triceps poses of Dorian from 97 where he he hits the pose in the same way...
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It's hard to know when Dorian is hitting the pose since he looks unflexed in many of the comparisons ;D
It looks that he actually was hitting the pose,but in a wrong way.His triceps looks tensed and it looks the same as in the second pic.Only his abs are not flexed,probably because he was breathing heavily at that moment(and for a good reason).
Here are 2 side triceps poses of Dorian from 97 where he he hits the pose in the same way...
No it's not you're a gimmick looking to troll and I'll point out your ignorance until the novelty wears off , nothing new. ;)
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You don't know the criteria which is why you just omitted parts of , and more proof you don't have a clue on what you're talking about balance is part is symmetry so you fluffed up Shawn's advantages over Dorian the same way you did with conditioning and ' shreded ' ( sic ) being shredded is part & parcel of conditioning and even entertaining what you did say is truth why did Shawn place second? and try it would the politics plea it will only confirm what I already suspect.
Go learn how contests are judged before you commit to a statement or you run the risk of being corrected and looking ignorant
In the judging criteria balance is used as synonymous of proportions,which is different than symmetry.Symmetry means equal development of muscularity on both right and left sides of the physique!
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save your strenghth ND never sees this point he thinks it's fair that the contest should be won on one bodypart.
Symetry Dorian loses
shape Dorian loses
arms legs chest shoulders Dorian loses
but because he has conditioning and a good back ND thinks Dorian should win even with one arm if that isn't bias then tell me what is
It's bias of the highest level!
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No it's not you're a gimmick looking to troll and I'll point out your ignorance until the novelty wears off , nothing new. ;)
...So are you telling me he didn't hit the pose in my pics from 97?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=358641;image)
Yates wins this pic. Most mass, dryness, detail. Ray is getting owned above waist.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=358642;image)
Yates wins this pic - more mass and detail, looks wider. Levrone has better biceps. You can argue asthetics, but the mass and dryness of Dorian gives me the nod.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=358643;image)
Dorian or Kevin here. Dorian overall looks more striated but that shot is close.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=358644;image)
Dorian here. The chest is wider and striated, overall better proportioned. Levrone's delts overpower his chest.
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Dorians conditioning blows KL off the stage...Levrone looks soft there
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In the judging criteria balance is used as synonymous of proportions,which is different than symmetry.Symmetry means equal development of muscularity on both right and left sides of the physique!
WRONG symmetry is a broad term that includes balance & proportion and FYI nothing in nature is truly symmetrical and ever wonder how Dorian never lost a symmetry round despite nothing being the most ' symmetrical ' ?
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...So are you telling me he didn't hit the pose in my pics from 97?
I'm showing you him in a better light which you're not interested in doing because you're here to troll , but don't let me stop you
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It's bias of the highest level!
Bias towards the physique that best satisfies the criteria and it wasn't Kevin or Shawn
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LOL satisfies the criteria my ass..
sorry, but shawn met them a lot better than dorian did in 94..
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ever wonder how Dorian never lost a symmetry round despite nothing being the most ' symmetrical ' ?
its called biased judging.
this has been common knowledge for years now.
unlike ronnie who actually looked good in the symmetry round, dorian was nothing special in this round.
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LOL satisfies the criteria my ass..
sorry, but shawn met them a lot better than dorian did in 94..
Oh so Shawn carried more muscular bulk than 262 pounds , Shawn was also denser and drier than Dorian was , his calves all the sudden lowered and became diamond shape and suddenly became proportionate with his now un-short legs and his torso shortened and his clavicles widened and his back became wider
lmao
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its called biased judging.
this has been common knowledge for years now.
unlike ronnie who actually looked good in the symmetry round, dorian was nothing special in this round.
Wow epic ignorance , FYI stupid symmetry is NOT judged as a separate and distinct entity in the symmetry round , just like muscularity isn't just like posing isn't
going by your logic Ronnie should have lost the posing rounds because it's blatantly obvious he can't pose for shit but we all know biased judging is the answer to that ;D
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its called biased judging.
this has been common knowledge for years now.
unlike ronnie who actually looked good in the symmetry round, dorian was nothing special in this round.
Cormier looks the best there. Ronnie is just bigger but he's got an ugly physique much like Dorian.
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Cormier looks the best there. Ronnie is just bigger but he's got an ugly physique much like Dorian.
hahahaha don't say that Hulkster claims Ronnie was the most aesthetic big man ever ::)
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An example of Ronnie's posing abilities :-X Hulkster gran your tissues :-X
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hahahaha don't say that Hulkster claims Ronnie was the most aesthetic big man ever ::)
That's cuz he's a schmoe with a MAJOR crush.
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That's cuz he's a schmoe with a MAJOR crush.
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hahahaha don't say that Hulkster claims Ronnie was the most aesthetic big man ever ::)
many people feel ronnie carried his mass better than anyone.
the man won 8 Mr. O's. and an AC win.
neither of which dorian could ever do.
so there is something to be said for that. no one has had the size ronnie did while retaining great muscle shape and detail. and had a back to boot. :P
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210 vs 260
If Shawn were 4" taller he would have weighed well more than 210 pounds. How do people never take that into consideration?
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fixed. :-*
you are an asshole. if Yates blew joe, then ronnie was swallowing.
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Hulkster, you are getting more and more pathetic with each post; with each unrelated thread that you hijack; and each post that contains the same 10 Dorian pics you have been posting for YEARS now. Yes, YEARS. Dorian clearly owns Hulkster's mind!
And Hulkster clearly owns yours ;)
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you are an asshole. if Yates blew joe, then ronnie was swallowing.
uh no:
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shawn was near perfection :o
dorian post tear was a mess.
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many people feel ronnie carried his mass better than anyone.
the man won 8 Mr. O's. and an AC win.
neither of which dorian could ever do.
so there is something to be said for that. no one has had the size ronnie did while retaining great muscle shape and detail. and had a back to boot. :P
So much stupidity in one post. 'had a back to boot' ?? ..... ::)
Dorian couldn't win AC or 8 Olympias? Look troll, if Dorian wanted to keep on competing he would've won again, in ANY competition. Remember what Ronnie said about his best package ever and the competition it was presented. Now think back about a certain quote said Mr Coleman made regarding Dorian's chances in that year Ronnie was at his best ever (by his own admission). With other words, you have nothing yet again. Your post are becoming painstakingly predictable.
'Many people' feel Ronnie carried his mass better? ::) A general statement thrown out there as if it's the truth. I mean, you typed it, it appeared on your screen, so it's the truth right?
Do yourself a favour troll. Go back to the drawing board and dream up new stories and fantasies. I'm not expecting any common sense from you, but at least some new bullshit that is fresh and mildly funny and point out the new realms of stupidity and lowlife-ness you're entering. ;)
I asked before and ask again. Judging by the sexual innuendos you offered regarding Mr Coleman's rear glutes, was it just a passing affection or has it become a full blown crush where you feel you must defend the honour of the man you have feelings for?
Come on, own up.
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WRONG symmetry is a broad term that includes balance & proportion and FYI nothing in nature is truly symmetrical and ever wonder how Dorian never lost a symmetry round despite nothing being the most ' symmetrical ' ?
Nothing in nature is truly symmetrical,but some things are more symmetrical and other-less.Dorian was one of this less symmetrical things.
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Dorians conditioning blows KL off the stage...Levrone looks soft there
sure...
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save your strenghth ND never sees this point he thinks it's fair that the contest should be won on one bodypart.
Symetry Dorian loses
shape Dorian loses
arms legs chest shoulders Dorian loses
but because he has conditioning and a good back ND thinks Dorian should win even with one arm if that isn't bias then tell me what is
And Dorian wasn't more conditioned than Shawn or Kevin in 94,so it's even more bias.
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Dorian's thighs were lagging from every angle-front,side and rear,and they had no sweep.And if someone next to you is displaying cross striations,you must at least have some decent vastus separation.
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Nothing in nature is truly symmetrical,but some things are more symmetrical and other-less.Dorian was one of this less symmetrical things.
Again you're forgetting other parts of the criteria which is all judged at once symmetry alone doesn't win contests the whole package does
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And Dorian wasn't more conditioned than Shawn or Kevin in 94,so it's even more bias.
And you came to this conclusion how? elaborate on your blanket statements if you dare.
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Dorian's thighs were lagging from every angle-front,side and rear,and they had no sweep.And if someone next to you is displaying cross striations,you must at least have some decent vastus separation.
Now you're cherry-picking even if entertaining what you say is true. Kevin & Shawn's calves are lacking from every angle , both are lacking lower insertions , the classic diamond shape and neither of their lower legs are in proportion with their quads. but you're willing to overlook that out of bias NOT how contests are judged
Quote Ironaman Jan 1995 former IFBB Judge Roger Schwab 1994 Mr Olympia
" Best Most Muscular - Yates. When he poses , everything explodes. "
" Best Chest - Yates and Levrone-torn pec and all. "
" Best Legs - Yates from top to bottom "
" Best Back - Yates. He has too much back to be compared. "
This is an IFBB dge directly commenting on the 1994 Mr Olympia , notice he said Yates has the best legs , which include , quads , hams and calves but I'm sure you know more than he does considering he was there and you weren't. ;D
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LOL ND and his bullshit is being exposed brutally here by real life.
great stuff.
its the same old story, tons of real life pics showing the truth, ND attempting to discredit it as usual...
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Now you're cherry-picking even if entertaining what you say is true.
there are no 'ifs' here.
every single thing about dorian's horrible quads is true:
this isn't 93 you know:
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And you came to this conclusion how? elaborate on your blanket statements if you dare.
gee, maybe because every SINGLE shot from 94 and 97 confirms this?
duh.
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your embarassing yourself trying to refute reality.
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look at that :o
in 97 shawn's conditioning blows the blob's right off the stage.
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many people feel ronnie carried his mass better than anyone.
the man won 8 Mr. O's. and an AC win.
neither of which dorian could ever do.
so there is something to be said for that. no one has had the size ronnie did while retaining great muscle shape and detail. and had a back to boot. :P
Yeah Ronnie carried his mass well when he was LIGHTER. When he started getting heavier he looked like total ass. Joe Weider was all over Ronnie's nuts just like you are.
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look at that :o
in 97 shawn's conditioning blows the blob's right off the stage.
Hulkster you post the same shots of Dorian time and time again (when he isn't even hitting his pose) to try to back up your bullshit. This is why you have zero credibility on here. Sure, Shawn had a more streamlined midsection than Dorian in 97, but Dorian absolutely dwarfed him.
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Now you're cherry-picking even if entertaining what you say is true. Kevin & Shawn's calves are lacking from every angle , both are lacking lower insertions , the classic diamond shape and neither of their lower legs are in proportion with their quads. but you're willing to overlook that out of bias NOT how contests are judged
Quote Ironaman Jan 1995 former IFBB Judge Roger Schwab 1994 Mr Olympia
" Best Most Muscular - Yates. When he poses , everything explodes. "
" Best Chest - Yates and Levrone-torn pec and all. "
" Best Legs - Yates from top to bottom "
" Best Back - Yates. He has too much back to be compared. "
This is an IFBB dge directly commenting on the 1994 Mr Olympia , notice he said Yates has the best legs , which include , quads , hams and calves but I'm sure you know more than he does considering he was there and you weren't. ;D
Thanks for posting this!Before I had some doubts,but now I don't-there a some biased judges in the judging panel.If that judge and others like him judged every year,no wonder why Dorian won in 97 with a perfect score.Shawn was right to ask for rotation of the judges every year.
So a small muscle group like calves is more important than a big one like quads?Kevin and Shawn had better quads and hams,but because Dorian's calves were better his legs were better from top to bottom?And the reasoning for that is that they had "better proportion".And who said his legs had the right proportions?It's a subjective opinion!Show me a written IFBB statement with the right proportions between thighs and calves in inches or centimetres!You can't,because it does not exist!I wonder if Dorian's legs were perfectly proportioned,how his calves would look like if he ever was able to build a thighs like Ronnie,Kai,Jay or Branch and to keep his "perfect" proportions at the same time...
It's interesting how according to Dorian's fans when he has an extremely developed group like back it does not overpower his weak upperarms and is a good thing,but when he has an underdeveloped group like quads it's again good for him,because it's in a good proportion with his calves and the others who had great quads were out of proportion.lol
Here are some shots showing dorians "best legs"and "best MM pose"...
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Dorian rulling again no doubt.
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gee, maybe because every SINGLE shot from 94 and 97 confirms this?
duh.
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your embarassing yourself trying to refute reality.
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x2!
...By the way Dorian himself admitted,that he was holding water in 94!
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It's interesting how according to Dorian's fans when he has an extremely developed group like back it does not overpower his weak upperarms and is a good thing,but when he has an underdeveloped group like quads it's again good for him,because it's in a good proportion with his calves and the others who had great quads were out of proportion.lol
well said.
the dorian fans have always looked the other way when assessing dorian's physique while gleefully pointing out the same flaws in others..
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its sad, really.
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Dorian did look awful when he was literally relaxed in 97; however, when he actually hits the front relaxed pose, he looked great. Hulkster is too stupid to understand this and keeps claiming the former is the actual pose.
As for 94, Dorian was holding water in 94 - especially during prejudging. Even when Dorian holds water though his conditioning is as good as Ray or KL.
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Dorian wore his wedding ring onstage?
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ND insisted dorian show his love for him.
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well said.
the dorian fans have always looked the other way when assessing dorian's physique while gleefully pointing out the same flaws in others..
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its sad, really.
I agree that his arms were too small for his torso in 97, but not so much his quads.
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ND insisted dorian show his love for him.
lmao
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Thanks for posting this!Before I had some doubts,but now I don't-there a some biased judges in the judging panel.If that judge and others like him judged every year,no wonder why Dorian won in 97 with a perfect score.Shawn was right to ask for rotation of the judges every year.
So a small muscle group like calves is more important than a big one like quads?Kevin and Shawn had better quads and hams,but because Dorian's calves were better his legs were better from top to bottom?And the reasoning for that is that they had "better proportion".And who said his legs had the right proportions?It's a subjective opinion!Show me a written IFBB statement with the right proportions between thighs and calves in inches or centimetres!You can't,because it does not exist!I wonder if Dorian's legs were perfectly proportioned,how his calves would look like if he ever was able to build a thighs like Ronnie,Kai,Jay or Branch and to keep his "perfect" proportions at the same time...
It's interesting how according to Dorian's fans when he has an extremely developed group like back it does not overpower his weak upperarms and is a good thing,but when he has an underdeveloped group like quads it's again good for him,because it's in a good proportion with his calves and the others who had great quads were out of proportion.lol
Here are some shots showing dorians "best legs"and "best MM pose"...
Thanks for posting this!Before I had some doubts,but now I don't-there a some biased judges in the judging panel.If that judge and others like him judged every year,no wonder why Dorian won in 97 with a perfect score.Shawn was right to ask for rotation of the judges every year.
Biased you say that like it's a bad thing , yes the judges are biased for the physique that best fits the judging criteria. And Dorian could lose a few poses and still win with a perfect score because they judges toss out the high & low scores try learning how contests are judged and then you wont be scratching your head. And Shawn wanted a rotation of judges because be thought this would favor his physique style , in other words he wanted the rules to bend for him
So a small muscle group like calves is more important than a big one like quads?Kevin and Shawn had better quads and hams,but because Dorian's calves were better his legs were better from top to bottom?And the reasoning for that is that they had "better proportion".And who said his legs had the right proportions?It's a subjective opinion!Show me a written IFBB statement with the right proportions between thighs and calves in inches or centimetres!You can't,because it does not exist!I wonder if Dorian's legs were perfectly proportioned,how his calves would look like if he ever was able to build a thighs like Ronnie,Kai,Jay or Branch and to keep his "perfect" proportions at the same time...
No muscle group of more important than the other but you're harping on one whilst ignoring others once again NOT how it works. And I love how you just type Kevin & Shawn have better quads & hams and offer up NO explanation what so ever , they're better just because you typed they are lmao
The only ' problem ' with Dorian's quads was the separation of the rectus femoris his quads other than that were fine and his hamstrings were great they're thick and fully developed and overall Dorian's legs were better than Kevin & Shawn because he didn't have short legs like them and he had proportionate calves
And who said he has better proportion in his legs? I did how did I come to this conclusion? because Dorian's legs aren't short , his calves aren't high and lack proportion in relation to the quads , and his hamstrings are fully developed and in proportion with his quads , which you can tell when a competitor is in profile and the IFBB judge backs up my point which is why he claims Dorian had the best LEGS in 1994
It's interesting how according to Dorian's fans when he has an extremely developed group like back it does not overpower his weak upperarms and is a good thing,but when he has an underdeveloped group like quads it's again good for him,because it's in a good proportion with his calves and the others who had great quads were out of proportion.lol
Here are some shots showing dorians "best legs"and "best MM pose"...
Look no one is in perfect proportion ( well Steve Reeves was ) but Dorian has less flaws than his contemporaries , what you ignorantly forget what is judged is clavicle width , height , leg length , arm length torso length and the proportion between them all , back width , etc you can harp one Dorians biceps all you want and I can find flaws on Shawn & Kevin but when all is said and done , when everything is judged Dorian is the clear winner , density , dryness , muscular bulk , balance , proportion , posing , presentation , etc
And I love ignorant internet-fan-boys who sit at home on their computers telling the IFBB judges who were live and in person they're wrong and you are right LMFAO
Go learn how contests are judged and then come back I'll let you know if you learned anything. ;)
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ND insisted dorian show his love for him.
Hulkster is just pissed Dorian wont be his love muffin :-X
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...By the way Dorian himself admitted,that he was holding water in 94!
Hahahaha where in your imagination?
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Here is a video I found of the 97 Mr. O. The quality isn't great, but it is better to base our opinions on this rather than pics. Dorian has a thickness and complete development from every angle that is unmatched. If anything, however, a good case for KL winning exists. IMO he was better than Nassser. Ray looked great as always, but he is simply too small to beat KL, Nasser, or Dorian.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa0003_mr-olympia-1997_sport
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dorian yates..good back thats it
he gets beat everywhere else....
how can a mr o win the best body on the planet with one arm..
bullshit judging...
you cant argue with dorian fans ND etc totally biased and irrational..
no muscle roundness...
dorian had one of the worst phsyiques on stage
he just didnt look good... small arms..
the list goes on
shawn flex kevin dillet vince taylor coleman mike francios asll had better phsiques
doerian phsique look ugly and umbalanced
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Here is a video I found of the 97 Mr. O. The quality isn't great, but it is better to base our opinions on this rather than pics. Dorian has a thickness and complete development from every angle that is unmatched. If anything, however, a good case for KL winning exists. IMO he was better than Nassser. Ray looked great as always, but he is simply too small to beat KL, Nasser, or Dorian.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa0003_mr-olympia-1997_sport
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Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
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dorian yates..good back thats it
he gets beat everywhere else....
how can a mr o win the best body on the planet with one arm..
bullshit judging...
you cant argue with dorian fans ND etc totally biased and irrational..
no muscle roundness...
dorian had one of the worst phsyiques on stage
he just didnt look good... small arms..
the list goes on
shawn flex kevin dillet vince taylor coleman mike francios asll had better phsiques
doerian phsique look ugly and umbalanced
Yes bullshit judging Ronnie can win with two missing calves for eight years but the judging was spot-on then , spare us your bias and stupidity
Again if all he had was a good back and calves it would have been very easy to beat him and NO ONE could you still have no explanation for this
yes they all had a better physique than Dorian and the racist judges held them all back , any other excuses you want to offer up?
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dorian yates..good back thats it
he gets beat everywhere else....
how can a mr o win the best body on the planet with one arm..
bullshit judging...
you cant argue with dorian fans ND etc totally biased and irrational..
no muscle roundness...
dorian had one of the worst phsyiques on stage
he just didnt look good... small arms..
the list goes on
shawn flex kevin dillet vince taylor coleman mike francios asll had better phsiques
doerian phsique look ugly and umbalanced
It's pretty hard to argue that a 6X Mr. O had only a good back.....lol, one of the worst physiques on stage ::)
Let's see Dorian wins: (1) front lat spread; (2) side tricep; (3) arguably side chest; (4) overhead abs; (5) rear lat spread; (6) rear dbl biceps; (7) side mandatory, rear mandatory, and arguably front mandatory (fr. relaxed); and, in addition to his great physique presentation, he has the best combination of size, thickness and conditioning. Thanks for playing.
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how can a mr o win the best body on the planet with two missing calves
Hahahahahahaha hypocrite the whole lot of ya
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It's pretty hard to argue that a 6X Mr. O had only a good back.....lol, one of the worst physiques on stage ::)
Let's see Dorian wins: (1) front lat spread; (2) side tricep; (3) arguably side chest; (4) overhead abs; (5) rear lat spread; (6) rear dbl biceps; (7) side mandatory, rear mandatory, and arguably front mandatory (fr. relaxed); and, in addition to his great physique presentation, he has the best combination of size, thickness and conditioning. Thanks for playing.
That's what these dummies can't comprehend you can haggle over all the parts you want , it's poses that win contests and Dorian owns them all
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how can a mr o win the best body on the planet with two missing calves
Hahahahahahaha hypocrite the whole lot of ya
ugh, I already disproved the claim that Ronnie had two missing calves. They were the same size as Cutler's. So you're basically saying that Jay Cutler (who is known for his calves) was missing a pair too. Ronnie's looked small b/c they were situated under the largest thighs ever.
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how can a mr o win the best body on the planet with two missing calves
Hahahahahahaha hypocrite the whole lot of ya
because calves have never been a main requisite
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ND and royal... beinga fan is one thing been totally biased and blind and a fanby is another
dorian yates had an ugly phsique... he didnt have a better physique overall than any of the guys mentioned....
im a realist i would never sit here and say ronnie had a better phsyiqe than flex.. even though im a ronnie fan
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dorian big yes conditioned yes
good bodypats and flow hell no....
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That's what these dummies can't comprehend you can haggle over all the parts you want , it's poses that win contests and Dorian owns them all
i hope those pics werent to prove the pont that dorian had a good phsique..
because that waould be a fail..
ugly phsique no lines ... no genetically ROUND muscle..
just a guy who took loads of drugs and got really big and conditioned...
worst mr o in my opinion.. physique wise...
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Again if all he had was a good back and calves it would have been very easy to beat him and NO ONE could you still have no explanation for this
no explanation? have you been under a rock for last 10 years? ::)
the exlanation is shitty judging. called it biased, called it bad, call it whatever you want.
but the fact is that post tear, dorian should have been beaten at least twice, namely, 1994 and 1997, many would also say 1996.
the explanation has always been there, it goes right in the face of the reality we show all the time in the form of pics and vids.
you have just been too blind and delusional to see it.
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ugh, I already disproved the claim that Ronnie had two missing calves. They were the same size as Cutler's. So you're basically saying that Jay Cutler (who is known for his calves) was missing a pair too. Ronnie's looked small b/c they were situated under the largest thighs ever.
Yeah just like you disproved McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian ::)
I highly doubt they were the same size as Cutlers maybe in 2003 and that's entertaining your ' point ' and this means what? what does that mean? they're the same size? and? how about shape? the classic diamond shape? how about insertions? Ronnie's are high . how about development and separation?
you disproved he didn't have missing calves because they appear as big as Jay's to you? you didn't do anything as usual .
You're high if you think these calves are on par size wise with Jay and he still won the Olympia with not one but two MISSING calves
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i hope those pics werent to prove the pont that dorian had a good phsique..
because that waould be a fail..
ugly phsique no lines ... no genetically ROUND muscle..
just a guy who took loads of drugs and got really big and conditioned...
worst mr o in my opinion.. physique wise...
post tear I would agree totally.
but ND and his band of blind nuthuggers seem to think dorian was fantastic and deserving all the way through, which he certainly was not..
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no explanation? have you been under a rock for last 10 years? ::)
the exlanation is shitty judging. called it biased, called it bad, call it whatever you want.
but the fact is that post tear, dorian should have been beaten at least twice, namely, 1994 and 1997, many would also say 1996.
the explanation has always been there, it goes right in the face of the reality we show all the time in the form of pics and vids.
you have just been too blind and delusional to see it.
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yes , yes and 1998 wasn't close and in 2001 Ronnie dominated hahahahahahaha go away with your stupidity
judges are right when Ronnie wins but wrong when Dorian does ;D
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because calves have never been a main requisite
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ND and royal... beinga fan is one thing been totally biased and blind and a fanby is another
dorian yates had an ugly phsique... he didnt have a better physique overall than any of the guys mentioned....
im a realist i would never sit here and say ronnie had a better phsyiqe than flex.. even though im a ronnie fan
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dorian big yes conditioned yes
good bodypats and flow hell no....
You're a realist LMFAO you're clueless , you're opinion is biased and ignorant and contradicts reality.
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because calves have never been a main requisite
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ND and royal... beinga fan is one thing been totally biased and blind and a fanby is another
dorian yates had an ugly phsique... he didnt have a better physique overall than any of the guys mentioned....
im a realist i would never sit here and say ronnie had a better phsyiqe than flex.. even though im a ronnie fan
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dorian big yes conditioned yes
good bodypats and flow hell no....
Lol, yes ND and I are simply biased fan boys. Uh, didn't Dorian win 6 Mr. Os? Isn't he considered to be one of the top 3 Mr. Os ever?
You don't think that claiming he only had a good back is biased?
I think Dorian had a great flow and really good symmetry. In 96 and 97 his arms were lacking a bit, however.
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i hope those pics werent to prove the pont that dorian had a good phsique..
because that waould be a fail..
ugly phsique no lines ... no genetically ROUND muscle..
just a guy who took loads of drugs and got really big and conditioned...
worst mr o in my opinion.. physique wise...
They wouldn't prove anything to someone who bases everything on round muscles , the pics are proof that Dorian was better than your heros and their round muscles , facts are facts and Dorian beat all your heros
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post tear I would agree totally.
but ND and his band of blind nuthuggers seem to think dorian was fantastic and deserving all the way through, which he certainly was not..
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See my post above you idiot. How can you compare these two as legitimate? It's clear that Dorian isn't even in the pose yet ::)
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Lol, yes ND and I are simply biased fan boys. Uh, didn't Dorian win 6 Mr. Os? Isn't he considered to be one of the top 3 Mr. Os ever?
You don't think that claiming he only had a good back is biased?
I think Dorian had a great flow and really good symmetry. In 96 and 97 his arms were lacking a bit, however.
The kid is an idiot he doesn't know the first thing about contest all he knows is what he likes and Dorian isn't what he's like so he shouldn't have won
There are the way things happened and the way these fan-boys wished happened , I deal in reality not what could have , should have or would have.
Dorian beats ALL your heros with ease get over it.
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Ladies (mostly just ND) and gentlemen, I present to you evidence that Ronnie wasn't missing two calves.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieJayCalves.jpg)
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/jc_rc_8954.jpg)
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See my post above you idiot. How can you compare these two as legitimate? It's clear that Dorian isn't even in the pose yet ::)
Classic Hulkster scared of Dorian flexed he picked up the slacks since his ball licker buddy pumpster bailed out
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I only follow sports where the winner is determined by ability eg football not by opinion
but as an observer yer Dorian had a big back but was it balanced with the rest of his "physique" nope
and he had good conditioned that I cannot take from him
that aside he had a ugle build ugly phsique
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Ladies (mostly just ND) and gentlemen, I present to you evidence that Ronnie wasn't missing two calves.
Backfire his calves are missing , missing the classic diamond shape , missing low insertions , missing separation of the inner & outer heads of the gastrocmenous , MISSING see attached pictures
How can a guy win the Olympia with one bicep shorter than another? the same way a guy can win with TWO MISSING calves
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Missing !
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Backfire his calves are missing , missing the classic diamond shape , missing low insertions , missing separation of the inner & outer heads of the gastrocmenous , MISSING see attached pictures
How can a guy win the Olympia with one bicep shorter than another? the same way a guy can win with TWO MISSING calves
hahaha, you're such a lame ass. Now you're trying to argue semantics. Trust me, you don't want to go there b/c I will own you into oblivion.
if Ronnie is missing a diamond shape and low insertions, then say so. But instead you chose to say he is missing a pair of calves.
following your rationale, I'm justified in saying that Dorian's body was missing... missing separation and striations, shape, and fullness (sea what I did there?)
p.s. way to prove my point by only posting pics of Ronnie by himself ;)
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hahaha, you're such a lame ass. Now you're trying to argue semantics. Trust me, you don't want to go there b/c I will own you into oblivion.
if Ronnie is missing a diamond shape and low insertions, then say so. But instead you chose to say he is missing a pair of calves.
following your rationale, I'm justified in saying that Dorian's body was missing... missing separation and striations, shape, and fullness (sea what I did there?)
p.s. way to prove my point by only posting pics of Ronnie by himself ;)
He's MISSING two calves in every sense of the word you think size makes up for everything he's missing? NOT how it works stupid.
you own NOTHING except yourself when you type he's not missing calves when he's missing everything with the exception of size and that even entertaining it was true and like you said one time about how does McGough know Dorian was harder and drier did he hydrostatically weigh them both , did you wrap a tape measure around both of their calves? NO so don't type they're the same size or bigger because YOU sure as hell don't know ;) and is he not standing next to Kevin and Gunther? hello McFly
his calves are missing , missing classic diamond shape , missing proportion in relation to his quads , missing low insertions , missing seperation and development of the gastrocmenous , his calves are missing like your missing any intelligence on this subject
LMFAO his calves ain't missing look they're just as big as Jay HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA come back when you have something ;)
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That's like saying Nasser wasn't missing a back because it appears just as bag as Dorian LMFAO Neo and his retard logic
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See my post above you idiot. How can you compare these two as legitimate? It's clear that Dorian isn't even in the pose yet ::)
sure he wasn't
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thats the pathetic cop out that all nuthuggers use - if dorian is getting owned (which happens all the time it seems..) they say he is not hitting the pose yet, even though we all know he was..
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yes , yes and 1998 wasn't close and in 2001 Ronnie dominated hahahahahahaha go away with your stupidity
judges are right when Ronnie wins but wrong when Dorian does ;D
you are forgetting the key difference:
the pics and vids show dorian getting owned all the time
the pics and vids show ronnie owning the competition - even in the 'controversial' wins.
especially vs Jay in 2001 and vs gunter. much to your dismay
they also show ronnie owning flex in 98 - depsite what the early round scoreing says.. ::)
big distinction there that you are ignoring as always..
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you are forgetting the key difference:
the pics and vids show dorian getting owned all the time
the pics and vids show ronnie owning the competition - even in the 'controversial' wins.
especially vs Jay in 2001 and vs gunter. much to your dismay
they also show ronnie owning flex in 98 - depsite what the early round scoreing says.. ::)
big distinction there that you are ignoring as always..
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We never heard your excuses before ::)
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sure he wasn't
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thats the pathetic cop out that all nuthuggers use - if dorian is getting owned (which happens all the time it seems..) they say he is not hitting the pose yet, even though we all know he was..
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Are you seriously claiming that he is hitting the pose in the pics you post? It is clear that he isn't -- although what is clear to the rest of us isn't always clear to you.
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Imma let ND keep making himself look retarded. Carry on arguing that a bodybuilder is missing a body part if they lack shape and definition ;D
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Are you seriously claiming that he is hitting the pose in the pics you post? It is clear that he isn't -- although what is clear to the rest of us isn't always clear to you.
LOL so I suppose he isn't hitting the pose yet here either?
LMAO
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you are sad. dorian's front relaxed was awful because his physique was ugly. and you know it.
but he won because he was bigger and had a back. the rest didn't matter to the judges.
which it should have.
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I only follow sports where the winner is determined by ability eg football not by opinion
but as an observer yer Dorian had a big back but was it balanced with the rest of his "physique" nope
and he had good conditioned that I cannot take from him
that aside he had a ugle build ugly phsique
So your choices of physiques are based on preference, not knowledge as you just admitted it's determined by opinion, it's not. Yates was ahead of his contemporaries not by opinion, but by miles. You just don't like his body types hence the rubbish you type. Your the type of person that would pick Reeves or Corney as the winner next to Dorian because his physique is more pleasing to YOU, not to the criteria.
Think before you post.
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Imma let ND keep making himself look retarded. Carry on arguing that a bodybuilder is missing a body part if they lack shape and definition proportion development ;D
Ah looking for a way out of your ignorant statement huh? very typical of you.
He's missing the classic diamond shape , he's missing proportion in relation to his quads , he's missing separation between the inner and outer heads of the gastrocnemous , he's also missing development of the fore mention muscles but it appears they're just as big as this guy LMFAO so there fore they're not missing
run along and gather up the courage to try and appears you know what you're talking about I'll be here ready to correct your stupidity as usual.
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LOL so I suppose he isn't hitting the pose yet here either?
LMAO
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you are sad. dorian's front relaxed was awful because his physique was ugly. and you know it.
but he won because he was bigger and had a back. the rest didn't matter to the judges.
which it should have.
No he's flexing as hard as he can ::)
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LOL so I suppose he isn't hitting the pose yet here either?
LMAO
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you are sad. dorian's front relaxed was awful because his physique was ugly. and you know it.
but he won because he was bigger and had a back. the rest didn't matter to the judges.
which it should have.
That's exactly what I'm claiming....he's not hitting the pose in your pic. Can you not see the difference??
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No he's flexing as hard as he can ::)
no, he looks good there because he is not standing next to his competition in the same pose..
duh.
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you crack me up. you post pics of dorian standing alone and say he looks good.
when any shot of him standing next to his competition in the same shot has him looking horrible.
gee, I wonder why?
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Ah looking for a way out of your ignorant statement huh? very typical of you.
He's missing the classic diamond shape quad sweep, he's missing proportion in relation to his quads calves, he's missing separation between the inner and outer heads of the gastrocnemous vastus lateralis, rectus femoris, and vastus medialis, he's also missing development of the fore mention muscles but it appears they're just as big as this guy LMFAO so there fore they're not missing
run along and gather up the courage to try and appears you know what you're talking about I'll be here ready to correct your stupidity as usual.
fixed ;)
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let's see what else I can have fun with...
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no, he looks good there because he is not standing next to his competition in the same pose..
duh.
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you crack me up. you post pics of dorian standing alone and say he looks good.
when any shot of him standing next to his competition in the same shot has him looking horrible.
gee, I wonder why?
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Jesus, you are desperate and stupid. First, Dorian is winning the first shot you just posted - yes Milos abs look better, but look at Dorian's superior delts, width, and thickness. Again, it is clear that he is not in the pose in the other two you posted. This is not an excuse, but a fact. I admit Dorian didn't look good when he was literally relaxed. Do you think Ronnie did? He didn't either. But to compare those to the best shot of Ronnie in hitting the full relaxed pose is simply stupid...which explains why you always do it.
Here are some comparison pics for you...
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Ah looking for a way out of your ignorant statement huh? very typical of you.
He's missing the classic diamond shape biceps peak, he's missing proportion in relation to his quads forearms, he's missing separation between the inner and outer heads of the gastrocnemous biceps brachii and the brachialis muscle, he's also missing development of the fore mention muscles but it appears they're just as big as this guy LMFAO so there fore they're not missing
run along and gather up the courage to try and appears you know what you're talking about I'll be here ready to correct your stupidity as usual.
I'm enjoying owning you :)
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no, he looks good there because he is not standing next to his competition in the same pose..
duh.
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you crack me up. you post pics of dorian standing alone and say he looks good.
when any shot of him standing next to his competition in the same shot has him looking horrible.
gee, I wonder why?
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You're an idiot. This is not an opinion but fact.
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fixed ;)
Poor Neo looking for a way out his stupidity just like said just like this gem
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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let's see what else I can have fun with...
Oh how about another internet challenge LMFAO
Internet challenge
ah well, I'm off to the gym. I'll let ND and Mr.1derful continue posting in my absence. Who knows... maybe I'll compete in the next Mr. Getbig. I've put on a lot of size and worked on my weaknesses since Mr. Getbig 2. I would encourage ND to enter since he claims he's bigger than me but I know he'll just come up with an excuse to pussy ou
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Poor Neo looking for a way out his stupidity just like said.
is that all you got? lol How does me quoting you verbatim to expose the weakness of your argument make me look stupid?
If anything, you calling me stupid is calling yourself stupid.
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Oh how about another internet challenge LMFAO
Internet challenge
ah well, I'm off to the gym. I'll let ND and Mr.1derful continue posting in my absence. Who knows... maybe I'll compete in the next Mr. Getbig. I've put on a lot of size and worked on my weaknesses since Mr. Getbig 2. I would encourage ND to enter since he claims he's bigger than me but I know he'll just come up with an excuse to pussy out
<yawn> I'll ask you again
what is the point of posting that quote?
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I'm enjoying owning you :)
His calves are big so they're not missing anything LMFAO
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Jesus, you are desperate and stupid. First, Dorian is winning the first shot you just posted - yes Milos abs look better, but look at Dorian's superior delts, width, and thickness. Again, it is clear that he is not in the pose in the other two you posted. This is not an excuse, but a fact. I admit Dorian didn't look good when he was literally relaxed. Do you think Ronnie did? He didn't either. But to compare those to the best shot of Ronnie in hitting the full relaxed pose is simply stupid...which explains why you always do it.
Here are some comparison pics for you...
LOL
according to the nuthuggers there if there are 5000 pics of dorian on the internet, he is "not flexing" in 4998 of them.. ::) ::) ::)
LOL
how pathetic.
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ND, I think it's hilarious you obviously put some effort into your response and all I had to do was substitute a few words to beat you at your game.
now you're all butt-hurt and acting defensive by calling me stupid and posting irrelevant quotes from other threads. ;D
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is that all you got? lol How does me quoting you verbatim to expose the weakness of your argument make me look stupid?
If anything, you calling me stupid is calling yourself stupid.
You didn't quote me verbatim idiot go look up the word. you changed my words around in an attempt to distance yourself from your stupid assessment that he's not missing calves because they're big LMFAO
You're proving how stupid you are with each word you type
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LOL
according to the nuthuggers there if there are 5000 pics of dorian on the internet, he is "not flexing" in 4998 of them.. ::) ::) ::)
LOL
how pathetic.
Epic response after getting owned, dipshit! You only post the ones where he isn't flexing because that is the only way you can back up your unhealthy, obsessive and sickening Dorian hate.
The laughable part is that you are the only person on here that doesn't see this. Ever notice how none of the other Ronnie fans support your posts any more? That's because you are moronic. :-*
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ND, I think it's hilarious you obviously put some effort into your response and all I had to do was substitute a few words to beat you at your game.
now you're all butt-hurt and acting defensive by calling me stupid and posting irrelevant quotes from other threads. ;D
No you're stupid because you don't know what verbatim means ;) you're stupid because you think he's not missing calves because they're big yet lacking everywhere else , there are a lot of reasons you're stupid these are just a few ;)
the McGough quote is another example of your running from your stupid statements and the Internet challenge is just fucking pathetic ;D
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<yawn> I'll ask you again
what is the point of posting that quote?
The points is when you get beat down by logic and intelligence you feel some pathetic need to try and equal the score on another arena because you lost miserably debating and think you'd have better luck in an internet-physique contest LMMFAO that ' challenge ' was the ultimate meltdown ;D
I always laugh when I read that your insecurity is only rivaled by your stupidity
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the pics and vids show dorian getting owned all the time
Yet he won his Olympias by a wider margin over better competition than Coleman did. Yet the judges, media, and fellow competitors all said he destroyed the competition......
Man, it must have been a heck of a fix, Hulkster. And we still haven't seen how fixing a competition for a British bodybuilder was a benefit to anyone.
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Yet he won his Olympias by a wider margin over better competition than Coleman did. Yet the judges, media, and fellow competitors all said he destroyed the competition......
Man, it must have been a heck of a fix, Hulkster. And we still haven't seen how fixing a competition for a British bodybuilder was a benefit to anyone.
QFT! The judges, media, fellow competitors and those who saw Doz in person must have it all wrong. Somehow only Dorian was favored by the judges; yet these same judges never, ever favored Ronnie :)
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The points is when you get beat down by logic and intelligence
where have you ever beat me in logic or intelligence? I run laps around you while doing it backwards. You have shit for brains compared to me. Maybe that's why you're a middle-aged man working in a flower shop.
you feel some pathetic need to try and equal the score on another arena because you lost miserably debating and think you'd have better luck in an internet-physique contest LMMFAO that ' challenge ' was the ultimate meltdown
actually, no. This is a bodybuilding site. It's called Getbig for f*ck sakes. I understand it's a forum but you're always on here and I've never seen any pics from you. That wasn't a challenge to you so much as encouraging you to leave your mom's basement to hit the weights once in a while.
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Yet he won his Olympias by a wider margin over better competition than Coleman did. Yet the judges, media, and fellow competitors all said he destroyed the competition......
Man, it must have been a heck of a fix, Hulkster. And we still haven't seen how fixing a competition for a British bodybuilder was a benefit to anyone.
Also don't forget Dorian came as an relative unknown to his first Olympia and took Haney down the wire. If it was 'fixed' (LOL, always cracks me up without fail), then fix it for a So-Cal based bodybuilder like Shawn with a big mouth and lots of opinions so he can market the sport better. Not a pasty white Northern English guy training in a basement in grey old Birmingham and only compete once a year. The clueless-ness on this board is breathtaking.
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not going to read hundreds of posts, but is this argument regarding which of the two was better relative to their time period/competition? or are some of you seriously arguing that dorian was a "better" bodybuilder than coleman in absolute terms?
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I have yet to see a video of Dorian getting owned...not even in 97.
Here's 95:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067#
Here's 97:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa0003_mr-olympia-1997_sport
Here's 94:
Here's 96: 2 parts
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not going to read hundreds of posts, but is this argument regarding which of the two was better relative to their time period/competition? or are some of you seriously arguing that dorian was a "better" bodybuilder than coleman in absolute terms?
I'd say Dorian dominated during the most competitive era of bodybuilding, with the likes of Kevin, Shawn, Flex, Nasser, etc., all being in their prime.
In absolute terms, I'd say Ronnie was freakier looking than Dorian, but I think it would be a toss up if they competed at their respective peaks.
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where have you ever beat me in logic or intelligence? I run laps around you while doing it backwards. You have shit for brains compared to me. Maybe that's why you're a middle-aged man working in a flower shop.
actually, no. This is a bodybuilding site. It's called Getbig for f*ck sakes. I understand it's a forum but you're always on here and I've never seen any pics from you. That wasn't a challenge to you so much as encouraging you to leave your mom's basement to hit the weights once in a while.
where have you ever beat me in logic or intelligence? I run laps around you while doing it backwards. You have shit for brains compared to me. Maybe that's why you're a middle-aged man working in a flower shop.
See the Truce tread it's a great start ;) you know nothing and everything you did commit to you go beat over the fucking head , addressed , corrected and dismissed.
Hahahaha my moms basement I haven't heard that one before ::) and I'm not technically middleage yet strike two and I don't work in a flower shop strike three you're out as usual Neo wrong , wrong and wrong ;D
actually, no. This is a bodybuilding site. It's called Getbig for f*ck sakes. I understand it's a forum but you're always on here and I've never seen any pics from you. That wasn't a challenge to you so much as encouraging you to leave your mom's basement to hit the weights once in a while.
You will never see pics of me I know you want me to ' swallow ' your milkshake but I'm hetro ;) I think it's pathetic guys posting pics online trying to impress others the height if insecurity. I'm above showing off for anyone I don't do it in the gym or outside the gym , I don't have a compulsion to impress people maybe because I'm not short like you and have to try and compensate ;D
now you're reduced to speculating what I do and you're only destined to fall flat on your faces as usual. ;)
I own you Neo you're not in my league in my capacity
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That's from 1992 and still unmatched 18 years later
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Unmtached 17 years later ;)
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Unmtached 17 years later ;)
x2 no one can beat that even today
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I'd say Dorian dominated during the most competitive era of bodybuilding, with the likes of Kevin, Shawn, Flex, Nasser, etc., all being in their prime.
here's the problem with your assessment. None of those guys except maybe Kevin and Shawn competed against Dorian at their absolute peak. Flex's best was at the 93 Arnold. Nasser's best was the 99 Arnold. If you want to claim that Flex was near his prime in 93, then a strong argument can be made for his physique at the 99 GP. Kevin also looked amazing at the 99 GP (but I'm giving you 94). Ronnie beat all those guys too including Chris Cormier.
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here's the problem with your assessment. None of those guys except maybe Kevin and Shawn competed against Dorian at their absolute peak. Flex's best was at the 93 Arnold. Nasser's best was the 99 Arnold. If you want to claim that Flex was near his prime in 93, then a strong argument can be made for his physique at the 99 GP. Kevin also looked amazing at the 99 GP (but I'm giving you 94). Ronnie beat all those guys too including Chris Cormier.
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Unmtached 17 years later ;)
Utterly unmatched. So far ahead of Jay and Ronnie that it's not right mentioning those two in the same sentence.
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Utterly unmatched. So far ahead of Jay and Ronnie that it's not right mentioning those two in the same sentence.
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie141ac.jpg)
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^^^ Dorian looks like a block of cheese compared to Ronnie. LOL
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie141ac.jpg)
Dorian's bigger HARDER DRIER and better balanced Ronnie 2001 would look petite next to that version of Dorian and nice way , way oversharpened image to prove your point ;D
copy this one verbatim too idiot ;)
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here's the problem with your assessment. None of those guys except maybe Kevin and Shawn competed against Dorian at their absolute peak. Flex's best was at the 93 Arnold. Nasser's best was the 99 Arnold. If you want to claim that Flex was near his prime in 93, then a strong argument can be made for his physique at the 99 GP. Kevin also looked amazing at the 99 GP (but I'm giving you 94). Ronnie beat all those guys too including Chris Cormier.
Nasser said his best was 1997 Flex was filled with oil by 99 1993 was his best by far Kevin's best was 1995 or 1992 need anything else corrected? oh yeah and 2003 wasn't Ronnie's best ;)
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Dorian's bigger
yes
HARDER DRIER
no. F*ck you're stupid if you think a 6 weeks pre-contest Dorian is more conditioned than 01 ASC Ronnie
and better balanced Ronnie 2001
no. I swear you like to throw "balance" around in favor of Dorian every time without thinking before you speak.
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Nasser said his best was 1997
I couldn't care less what Nasser said. Look at the pics in the 99 Arnold coverage.
Flex was filled with oil by 99 1993 was his best by far
judges didn't care. So your counter-argument is irrelevant.
Kevin's best was 1995 or 1992 need anything else corrected?
lol
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yes
no. F*ck you're stupid if you think a 6 weeks pre-contest Dorian is more conditioned than 01 ASC Ronnie
no. I swear you like to throw "balance" around in favor of Dorian every time without thinking before you speak.
No version of Dorian was harder or drier according to you but then again what do you know?
you're also the genius who thinks balance & proportion are the same thing and bitched I kept typing both to full up his clear advantage
and nice attempt at glossing over a clearly oversharpened image
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I couldn't care less what Nasser said. Look at the pics in the 99 Arnold coverage.
judges didn't care. So your counter-argument is irrelevant.
lol
You couldn't care less what many experts claim nothing new with you , I seen the 99 coverage and he looks better in mid 1990s
they didn't care about Ronnie's bitch tits it doesn't mean it was his best showing , 1993 is Flex's highwater mark and after the accident his physique never looked the same and he lost that contest in 99 so maybe the judges did care
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or are some of you seriously arguing that dorian was a "better" bodybuilder than coleman in absolute terms?
yes, the dorian nuthuggers are actually that stupid that they believe dorian had a better physique than Ronnie did at his peak..
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hard to believe, isn't it? ::)
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shawn ray had better lines but dorian was grainier
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F*ck you're stupid if you think a 6 weeks pre-contest Dorian is more conditioned than 01 ASC Ronnie
he is saying this because dorian's friend, countrymen and probable lover Peter McGough said this..
and ND blindly agrees with everything this man says, no matter how stupid and out of touch with reality it is..and saying dorian 6 weeks out was in better condition than a peak in contest shape ronnie is really really stupid.
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seriously, it baffles my mind how dumb ND can be sometimes. Arguing that Dorian 6 wks out is more conditioned than a prime-conditioned Ronnie.
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its truly sad how Peter let personal feelings cloud his judgement.. ::)
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I mean, really.. ::)
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Lol, your hero, in his best shape ever, is getting matched or bettered by a 3 weeks out Dorian. Do you not see how much fuller and thicker Dorian is there (of course you don't - actually you do, but you are too biased and desperate in your arguments to admit it)? Granted, on contest day Dorian wasn't that thick, but he was at least as conditioned as Ronnie and about 10 lbs heavier.
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LOL you think dorian is matching or besting ronnie in those shots?
LOL
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holy shit you guys are worse than I thought!
He is getting killed! his glutes/hams/delts/pecs etc are soft and detailess in comparison, his arms have awful shape (does he even train his left arm?), his quads are awful etc etc.
dorian is getting killed. from top to bottom.
and you think dorian is even coming close?
wow. just wow.
???
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Lol, your hero, in his best shape ever, is getting matched or bettered by a 3 weeks out Dorian. Do you not see how much fuller and thicker Dorian is there (of course you don't - actually you do, but you are too biased and desperate in your arguments to admit it)? Granted, on contest day Dorian wasn't that thick, but he was at least as conditioned as Ronnie and about 10 lbs heavier.
you must be blind
u Dorian fanboys are really something
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you must be blind
u Dorian fanboys are really something
dumb as they come, apparently.
I mean really. for people to know so little about physiques that they think dorian even approaches ronnie in those shots is, well, astounding.
astoundingly stupid.
congrats nuthuggers.. :-\
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I see your stupidity has risen to another level (something I didn't think possible). First, you are comparing Dorian weeks out from a contest, before he began cutting water - and yet he is still striated as hell. Second, you are comparing black and white photos with color photos under perfect lights. Third, if you can't see that Dorian is absolutely thicker and fuller than Ronnie in these shots, and just as complete, then I simply have nothing to say. It's one thing to prefer Ronnie, but for fucksake do so with just a little credibility.
I mean Dorian is over 270 in these shots....Ronnie is under 250. Are you seriously too stupid to understand this disparity in size difference? You don't even have to answer that - of course you are!
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Scale scale scale
the first two pics are near enough on the same scale and ronnie blows Dorian away
the othe pics are different scale and still Coleman wins don't make your passion for Dorian blind you sometimes I think eitehr you or nd is actually Dorian I've never seen such blind love in my life
ronnie prime or even off prime blows Dorian away I wouldn't even compare the two Dorian should be compare with other blocky bbers like fux and Nasser none has surpassed ronnie
ok Dorian had a good back
Arms garbage
legs nothing special
delts nothing special
chest nothing special
traps what traps
ronnie
arms greatest of all time in a recent workout with jay his right arm is still bigger and better than jays
back greatest of all time
legs among the greatest
delts among the best
legs among the greatest
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Scale scale scale
the first two pics are near enough on the same scale and ronnie blows Dorian away
the othe pics are different scale and still Coleman wins don't make your passion for Dorian blind you sometimes I think eitehr you or nd is actually Dorian I've never seen such blind love in my life
ronnie prime or even off prime blows Dorian away I wouldn't even compare the two Dorian should be compare with other blocky bbers like fux and Nasser none has surpassed ronnie
ok Dorian had a good back
Arms garbage
legs nothing special
delts nothing special
chest nothing special
traps what traps
ronnie
arms greatest of all time in a recent workout with jay his right arm is still bigger and better than jays
back greatest of all time
legs among the greatest
delts among the best
legs among the greatest
I love the hyprocisy here...not once have I bashed Ronnie on here - I have always stated that he was great and that he and Dorian would be neck in neck at their peaks. Yet, you drag Dorian through the mud here and then jump aboard Ronnie's nuts. You tell me who the biased one here is!!!
Yes, ND and I are the only ones who appreciate Dorian, and it's only becaue we are blind ::) He won 6 consecutive Mr.Os during arguably the most competitive era of bodybuilding. Further, he is easily considered one of the top 3 Mr.Os ever. Surely this must be because he was piss poor everywhere except his back as you claim, and only ND and I don't see this. Wow. Just wow.
If you think Dorian is lacking after watching this video then you are simply kidding yourself and everyone else on here. I also posted the photoshoot of Ronnie that I believe shows him at his best level of conditioning (the 2001 Arnold). Of course he is drier than Dorian because Dorian hadn't cut water yet where he was a few weeks out from the 93 Mr. O (are you following, or too stupid to understand?). Yet it is a great comparison and both look incredible. Of course you can't admit this with your Dorian-hate/Ronnie-love, but that doesnt really matter.
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I don't hate Dorian at all I'm just calling it as I see it
question do you think if they did a poll right now within the bbing industry and comunity ronnie at his peak vs Dorian at his peak that Dorian vote wise would even come anywhere near Coleman
open your eyes Dorian yates is jp fux with a good back.
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I mean, really..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=358877;image)
just curious, why do you insist on using that garbage version of the pic?
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look at the arm torso Balance good back absolutley
and that's it nothing else
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here's the original in all its super-size glory (save or select "view image") :)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie41Original.jpg)
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Royal let's break Dorian down body part for bodypart against Coleman
arms Coleman
chest coleman
legs Coleman
back tie both had great backs (opinion wise I'd say Coleman)
shoulders (Coleman)
abs tie (Dorian has better ab shape Coleman has a narrower waiste)
coulpled with the fact that Coleman muscle shape is among the best in history round and vascular
Dorians is crap no round muscle
how can you then turn around and say Dorian
Dorian is the same bbing tier as fux and Nasser size yes genetics no
no nice muscle shape blocky huge torso small arms
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in your face, nuthuggers!!!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie34c.jpg)
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in your face, nuthuggers!!!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie34c.jpg)
??
That quote asks if there was? Its a question with no answer.. and the answer is yes. Dorian Yates. Higher quality through superior balance.
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That quote asks if there was? Its a question with no answer.. and the answer is yes. Dorian Yates. Higher quality through superior balance.
lol, the question is posed underneath the caption "Ronnie's on Fire." I'm sure the author is referring to someone else ::)
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lol, the question is posed underneath the caption "Ronnie's on Fire." I'm sure the author is referring to someone else ::)
Lol. I know who he's referring to, but he's asking the "reader" re-you the question, assuming you'll agree with him.
Jesus Christ.
And I said yes someone else has displayed it.. DORIAN.
I understand that is his opinion, I was fucking with you. :P
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Royal let's break Dorian down body part for bodypart against Coleman
arms Coleman
chest coleman
legs Coleman
back tie both had great backs (opinion wise I'd say Coleman)
shoulders (Coleman)
abs tie (Dorian has better ab shape Coleman has a narrower waiste)
coulpled with the fact that Coleman muscle shape is among the best in history round and vascular
Dorians is crap no round muscle
how can you then turn around and say Dorian
Dorian is the same bbing tier as fux and Nasser size yes genetics no
no nice muscle shape blocky huge torso small arms
Here's how I seet it:
Arms: Coleman (arguably the best bis ever; however, Dorian's arms, especially tris and forearms were great. Coleman had an incredible bicep peak.)
Legs: Could go either way - Coleman had bigger quads, but Dorian had much better calves. Hams equal.
Chest: Could go either way - both had great chests, lots of striations.
Shoulders: Coleman, but just barely.
Abs: Dorian for sure - he had one of the best overhead abs shots of all time, see below. Not sure how you could claim they tie.
I agree that Coleman had rounder muscles and more shape; however, Dorian had a level of thickness, completeness, and conditioning that was incredible and unmatched. Bodybuilding contests are more than just muscle shape. Their physiques are very different, both are great (as I have claimed all along).
The amazing thing is that I have claimed throughout my posts that it would be close between the two and it could go either way. Yet you claim I am blind and biased. Then you turn around and make statements like "Dorian is crap" "Dorian is in the same bbing tier as Fux and Nasser." Your apparent Dorian hate is nearing Hulkster levels. Not sure why you guys are so threatened by the fact that he dominated during his reign...its laughable really.
You really think Ronnie's abs were this good??
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seriously, it baffles my mind how dumb ND can be sometimes. Arguing that Dorian 6 wks out is more conditioned than a prime-conditioned Ronnie.
Yates not bad with striations in his quads while 6 weeks out. good job.
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in your face, nuthuggers!!!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie34c.jpg)
you guys really like this shot dont you?
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Royal please look past the blind love I never said ronnie had better abs I said Dorian did but ronnie had a narrower waiste
Dorian ronnie and arms should not be mentioned in the same sentence
ronnie has arguable the best arms in human history I've seen amateurs with arms better than yates
have u ever seen Dorian in a greatest of all time countdown article have u ever watched a ronnie DVD and seen the sheer round size and vascularity he carries arm wise???? His arms are still bigger and better than mr o jay culter as stated in. Recent copy of flex when both were training arms. Well his right arm
You said ronnie and yates have equal chests dude put the crack pipe down if I was on my pc I would throw up pics
you said they have equal legs
and shoulders
just those statements show me the blind love and fanboy fellowship you nd etc share for Dorian
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Why don't you guys give this Dorian vs Ronnie thing a rest?
Yet another thread is exploding with this argument over and over again....
Don't you get tired of discussing the same thing over and over again?
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Royal please look past the blind love I never said ronnie had better abs I said Dorian did but ronnie had a narrower waiste
Dorian ronnie and arms should not be mentioned in the same sentence
ronnie has arguable the best arms in human history I've seen amateurs with arms better than yates
have u ever seen Dorian in a greatest of all time countdown article have u ever watched a ronnie DVD and seen the sheer round size and vascularity he carries arm wise???? His arms are still bigger and better than mr o jay culter as stated in. Recent copy of flex when both were training arms. Well his right arm
You said ronnie and yates have equal chests dude put the crack pipe down if I was on my pc I would throw up pics
you said they have equal legs
and shoulders
just those statements show me the blind love and fanboy fellowship you nd etc share for Dorian
Of course Ronnie has incredible arms, read my post dumbass where I stated his bis are probably the best ever. And before you accuse me of misreading your statements, go back and read them. Your statement was "abs tie." I also acknowledged that Ronnie's quads were superior (also probably the best ever), but their hams are probably equal and Dorian has much better calves. Not sure how these assessments show "blind love" nor am I sure where your blind hate for Dorian arises from.
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Why don't you guys give this Dorian vs Ronnie thing a rest?
Yet another thread is exploding with this argument over and over again....
Don't you get tired of discussing the same thing over and over again?
The discussion is over long time ago. Ronnie admitted Dorian is better, case closed really. Hulk and his band of trolls just enjoy trolling so we bitch slap them a bit for fun. That's all really. Nothing to see here to be honest.
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my very neutral opinion if i compare dorian of 1993 with ronnie of 1999:
FDB = dorian..
FLS = dorian..
SC = ronnie..
RDB = very close but let's give it to ronnie..
RLS = dorian..
ST = dorian..
A&T = dorian..
winner is dorian!!..
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The discussion is over long time ago. Ronnie admitted Dorian is better, case closed really. Hulk and his band of trolls just enjoy trolling so we bitch slap them a bit for fun. That's all really. Nothing to see here to be honest.
but in an interview with shawn ray dorian too said that ronnie was probably the best bb ever!!.. i believe both of them just like to ass lick each other to sound humble!!..
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my very neutral opinion if i compare dorian of 1993 with ronnie of 1999:
FDB = dorian..
FLS = dorian..
SC = ronnie..
RDB = very close but let's give it to ronnie..
RLS = dorian..
ST = dorian..
A&T = dorian..
winner is dorian!!..
That is a fair assessment - I think the FDB could go either way, but otherwise agree. Bottom line is that it would be a comparison that could go either way imo.
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That is a fair assessment - I think the FDB could go either way, but otherwise agree. Bottom line is that it would be a comparison that could go either way imo.
in 93 when dorian's left bicep was there i see no reason to give ronnie the fdb against him.. ronnie's bad abs (shape wise) and lack of calves take a lot from this pose!!.. also dorian's chest (in this pose) looks better.. in general ronnnie had a much more impressive upper chest but his lower chest doesnt look good in some poses!!..
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As a complete neutral (Levrone being my favourite bodybuilder) I say Ronnie was better
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As a complete neutral (Levrone being my favourite bodybuilder) I say Ronnie was better
ronnie has more freaky parts but bb wise dorian has a better over all physique..
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The discussion is over long time ago. Ronnie admitted Dorian is better, case closed really. Hulk and his band of trolls just enjoy trolling so we bitch slap them a bit for fun. That's all really. Nothing to see here to be honest.
Ofcourse in another interview Ronnie said Lee Haney was the best Mr O in history and Lee competed in more competitive era than Ronnie did.
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Ofcourse in another interview Ronnie said Lee Haney was the best Mr O in history and Lee competed in more competitive era than Ronnie did.
Ronnie's era was probably the worse for bodybuilding the past 20 years. I've always maintained that it's one of my greatest shames not seeing him compete against the like of Shawn, Flex, Nasser, Lee, Kevin, Paul, etc etc etc at their peaks. Ronnie's peak included ('98). Dorian ruled what was arguably the greatest Olympia line up that ever competed.
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ronnie has more freaky parts but bb wise dorian has a better over all physique..
Agreed. All Trollster does is drum on these freaky body parts. He conveniently forget that guys like Paul Dillet, JP Fux and Ernie Taylor had freaky as fuck body parts but it wasn't enough to beat the great OVERALL physique of Yates.
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The discussion is over long time ago. Ronnie admitted Dorian is better, case closed really
and he also admitted that if he, dorian and arnold stepped onstage in their best ever shapes, Ronnie would win.
so there.
you have a contradictory quote from the man himself..
so your quote is worthless.
opps. better look to the physiques themselves..
oh wait - ronnie's is vastly better -just like Ronnie said it was...and better than Arnold's too..
:P
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He conveniently forget that guys like Paul Dillet, JP Fux and Ernie Taylor had freaky as fuck body parts but it wasn't enough to beat the great OVERALL physique of Yates.
but ronnie's whole body is almost all freaky bodyparts.
unlike the people you mentioned who were nothing but one hit wonders..
actually, dorian was really a one hit wonder too.
he was nothing special from the front.
he won based on back and calves. shitty arms, thick waist, shitty quads etc. etc.
:P
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seriously, it baffles my mind how dumb ND can be sometimes. Arguing that Dorian 6 wks out is more conditioned than a prime-conditioned Ronnie.
You're the fucking dummy who doesn't know what verbatim means hahahahahaha you're the dummy who thinks 2003 is Ronnie's best showing , you're the dummy who said Dorian wasn't harder or drier than Ronnie yet denied ever saying that , you're the dummy who thinks balance & proportion are the same thing , you're the dummy who argued Ronnie carried more muscular bulk than Dorian by being much lighter . I can continue to post examples of your monumental stupidity if you'd like?
big difference between being hard & dry at 247 pounds and a whole other being hard & dry at 269 pounds Dorian has the size & density
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but ronnie's whole body is almost all freaky bodyparts.
unlike the people you mentioned who were nothing but one hit wonders..
actually, dorian was really a one hit wonder too.
he was nothing special from the front.
he won based on back and calves. shitty arms, thick waist, shitty quads etc. etc.
:P
Yeah freaky parts he had when Dorian was beating him senseless and spare us the pics from 1995 too these are from 1997 and he had all the freaky parts you claim that would beat Dorian the quad sweep , the small waist , the second best back , the insane arms and where did it land him? 9th place
Dorian at his worse trampled this at his best he would walk all over Ronnie
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but ronnie's whole body is almost all freaky bodyparts.
unlike the people you mentioned who were nothing but one hit wonders..
actually, dorian was really a one hit wonder too.
he was nothing special from the front.
he won based on back and calves. shitty arms, thick waist, shitty quads etc. etc.
:P
Ronnie had horrible calves, terrible midsection, droopy pecs and a huge ass that probably weighs 30 lbs on it's own. Don't carry on like he's perfect just because you're hypnotized by his giant ass.
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Yeah freaky parts he had when Dorian was beating him senseless and spare us the pics from 1995 too these are from 1997 and he had all the freaky parts you claim that would beat Dorian the quad sweep , the small waist , the second best back , the insane arms and where did it land him? 9th place
of course it got him nowhere.
because, being as simple as you are, you forgot the most important thing:
onstage at the olympia, he didn't have the conditioning to go with it.
that came later. and that is part of what made peak ronnie so damn good.
freaky parts don't help you with a film of water over them:
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like night and day.
from a sad 9th place to the best ever.
all with some added muscle and water loss..
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of course it got him nowhere.
because, being as simple as you are, you forgot the most important thing:
onstage at the olympia, he didn't have the conditioning to go with it.
that came later. and that is part of what made peak ronnie so damn good.
freaky parts don't help you with a film of water over them:
I know exactly what he was missing and guess what stupid? his conditioning was NEVER better than Dorians , so he's down balance & proportion , muscular bulk and density & dryness don't forget posing & presentation
Dorian's density & dryness are legendary Ronnie got it perfect for two contests 1998/2001 where he was under 250 pounds Dorian could maintain that conditioning for much higher bodyweights that's the key
Ronnie at his admitted best Olympia 1998 a show where he said his conditioning was ' spot-on ' just barely beat a past his prime Flex Wheeler in one of the closest Mr Olympia EVER ! is supposed to beat Dorian with improved conditioning LMFAO Dorian was miles ahead if a Flex that was in his prime year
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and he also admitted that if he, dorian and arnold stepped onstage in their best ever shapes, Ronnie would win.
so there.
you have a contradictory quote from the man himself..
so your quote is worthless.
opps. better look to the physiques themselves..
oh wait - ronnie's is vastly better -just like Ronnie said it was...and better than Arnold's too..
:P
he never said that LIAR he said he said in that quote I couldn't beat them in their time
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
no contradictions in fact same Ronnie saying the same thing , NO he would have kept winning as long as he competed
aken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
He doesn't think Dorian would have won again he KNOWS it ! he refferences his muscular bulk ' Dorian has a big physique ' and his density " hard " you post these retarded comparisons where Dorian at much higher bodyweights is getting dwarfed by Ronnie at lighter ones and think that's how it would play out as usual you people DO NOT work in reality
Dorian at 269 pounds would make Ronnie 2001 look petite and a bigger Ronnie soft and off-season
Ronnie admitted more than once he couldn't beat Dorian , I know it kills you but like you said one time Ronnie knows more about Ronnie than you ever will LMFAO
keep melting down Ronnie ended any debate eons ago keep trolling ball-licker Dorian owns you like he owned Ronnie ;)
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his conditioning was NEVER better than Dorians
according to you.
not to everyone else.
as many of the pics in this thread have shown..
never better?
think again loser LOL:
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LOL
what a mess dorian was..
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my very neutral opinion if i compare dorian of 1993 with ronnie of 1999:
FDB = dorian..
FLS = dorian..
SC = ronnie..
RDB = very close but let's give it to ronnie..
RLS = dorian..
ST = dorian..
A&T = dorian..
winner is dorian!!..
RDB = dorian
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according to you.
not to everyone else.
as many of the pics in this thread have shown..
never better?
think again loser LOL:
Who is everyone else? I can't find anyone other than stupid internet-fanboys claiming he was. Dorian's conditioning is legendary Ronnie's isn't
and be very careful what screencaps you post because we all know you have a history of knowingly using sharpened and morphed pics ;)
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I think its funny that people are saying that dorian's 93 front lat spread is better than Ronnie 99's.
think again people:
:-*
dorian's is better from the knees down only.
the rest of him lacks the detail and shape of ronnie, esp. in the arms/delts and quads, and his midsection is thicker.
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according to you.
not to everyone else.
as many of the pics in this thread have shown..
never better?
think again loser LOL:
And FYI Stupid that's a contest in which Dorian beat Ronnie HAHAHAHAHAH brutal self ownage as usual \
and if he was such a mess it should have been very easy to beat him and where was Ronnie all those years? he started training before Dorian he's roughly the same age and he was never in Dorian's league , after Yates retired Ronnie beats all the guys who were past their primes that Dorian destroyed lol
no wonder why Ronnie said he couldn't touch Yates he knows he would stand a chance against real competition like Dorian , Ronnie had an easy ride in his Olympia run and he still nearly lost to Kevin & Jay and he did lose to Jay and Dexter and everyone else lol
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I think its funny that people are saying that dorian's 93 front lat spread is better than Ronnie 99's.
think again people:
:-*
this is a perfect example that illustrates how shallow Ronnie's ribcage is compared to Dorian. Dorian definitely takes that pose. He is wider, fuller and his entire physique has a flow to it unlike Ronnie who is just a compilation of body parts.
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And FYI Stupid that's a contest in which Dorian beat Ronnie HAHAHAHAHAH brutal self ownage as usual \
exactly my point genius.
remember what I said about ronnie doing badly in part because of bad conditioning?
thats why ronnie got beat so bad by everyone before he starting winning Mr. O's..
a bit of size and some water lost was all it took..
god, you are so damn slow.
::)
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I think its funny that people are saying that dorian's 93 front lat spread is better than Ronnie 99's.
think again people:
:-*
dorian's is better from the knees down only.
the rest of him lacks the detail and shape of ronnie, esp. in the arms/delts and quads, and his midsection is thicker.
aken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
;D
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Dorian = fux or Nasser with a great back
blocky huge waiste and torso tiny arms
worst mr o in my opinion
shawn ray was Spot on in the video
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Dorian = fux or Nasser with a great back
blocky huge waiste and torso tiny arms
worst mr o in my opinion
shawn ray was Spot on in the video
tiny arms huh? you consider these arms tiny? ::)
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aken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
;D
funny how this has nothing to do with the fact that 99 ronnie is owning dorian in the front lat spread..
but you seem to think that posting endless quotes somehow erases the reality that are the pics and videos that show how much better peak ronnie was than dorian.. ::)
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funny how this has nothing to do with the fact that 99 ronnie is owning dorian in the front lat spread..
but you seem to think that posting endless quotes somehow erases the reality that are the pics and videos that show how much better peak ronnie was than dorian.. ::)
no one beats Doruan in the front latspread and pics , vids and quotes confirm this
Flex Magazine June 2002
The lat spread that stunned and revolutionized the bodybuilding world. It is jumbo-jet wide with giant slabs of rock-hard muscle knitted together with gnarly detail. Even in this front shot, you can see the immensity of the billowing lats -- particularly the one on the right, which, amazingly, casts a terrifying shadow.
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Shawn said nothing LaBrada ever said about Haney. It was all in competitive spirit. This is were bodybuilder can compare like other sports. Talking the talk and having to walk the walk. Shawn never beat D, but his runner up losses were aguable.
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tiny arms huh? you consider these arms tiny? ::)
compared to other pros yes and to his huge torso yes
what are Dorians are 20 if that pooor for a pro a 258lb
flex lighter bigger arms ronnie bigger arms Nasser bigger arms kevin bigger arms and the list goes on
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Shawn just wasnt big enough to compete with Dorrian
Quality vs. Quantity.....it's just about what the judges wanted. IMO, Shawn was much better and complete.
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Shawn was much better and complete
amen to that.
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interesting comparison of shawn and dorian 93 vs 94.
dorian went downhill
shawn went uphill (and got shafted by the judges):
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I agree that Shawn pushed Dorian in 94, but I still think Dorian deserved it.
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Both were great. And the sad thing is, if either woke up the next morning and looked like the other, they'd be pissed off. Shawn would be doing extra cardio and eating less. And Dorian would be eating more and bent rowing 800 lbs!
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Biased you say that like it's a bad thing , yes the judges are biased for the physique that best fits the judging criteria. And Dorian could lose a few poses and still win with a perfect score because they judges toss out the high & low scores try learning how contests are judged and then you wont be scratching your head. And Shawn wanted a rotation of judges because be thought this would favor his physique style , in other words he wanted the rules to bend for him
No muscle group of more important than the other but you're harping on one whilst ignoring others once again NOT how it works. And I love how you just type Kevin & Shawn have better quads & hams and offer up NO explanation what so ever , they're better just because you typed they are lmao
The only ' problem ' with Dorian's quads was the separation of the rectus femoris his quads other than that were fine and his hamstrings were great they're thick and fully developed and overall Dorian's legs were better than Kevin & Shawn because he didn't have short legs like them and he had proportionate calves
And who said he has better proportion in his legs? I did how did I come to this conclusion? because Dorian's legs aren't short , his calves aren't high and lack proportion in relation to the quads , and his hamstrings are fully developed and in proportion with his quads , which you can tell when a competitor is in profile and the IFBB judge backs up my point which is why he claims Dorian had the best LEGS in 1994
Look no one is in perfect proportion ( well Steve Reeves was ) but Dorian has less flaws than his contemporaries , what you ignorantly forget what is judged is clavicle width , height , leg length , arm length torso length and the proportion between them all , back width , etc you can harp one Dorians biceps all you want and I can find flaws on Shawn & Kevin but when all is said and done , when everything is judged Dorian is the clear winner , density , dryness , muscular bulk , balance , proportion , posing , presentation , etc
And I love ignorant internet-fan-boys who sit at home on their computers telling the IFBB judges who were live and in person they're wrong and you are right LMFAO
Go learn how contests are judged and then come back I'll let you know if you learned anything. ;)
Yes,you are the only one who know that the judges toss out the high and low scores,lol.Your parade of knowing how the contests are judged is becoming annoying...By the way according to Nasser some judges had Dorian as low as 4th in 97...
Shawn didn't want the rules to be bend for him,what he wanted was the original criteria(the one that existed since the beginning of the sport until the fateful 1994 when it was bended to suit Dorian) back.
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion to his quads,name it how you want either they were too big for them or his quads were small for his calves.How big his calves should be if he ever was able to build thighs like Cutler or Warren and keep his proportions at the same time?And no mr.O since Colombo in 81 had that lack of vastus separation.
Keep that length of legs for the modelling competitions, in bodybuilding the muscular development is more important than the bone lenth,unless you are a "genetic disaster"like Paco Bautista it's not of major importance how long your legs are,and I don't think that was the case with Shawn.You are trying to compare some real flaws of Dorian's physique(e.g.distended stomach,torn biceps)with some minor genetic imperfections(if at all)of Shawn's physique.Other than calves,Shawn was as close to perfection as anyone could be.
It all comes down as to who was better overall on that particular day and at the 1994 mr.Olympia it was Shawn Ray.
You still keep pointing out on Dorian's posing and dryness,even though Dorian was a stiff poser and he himself admitted a water retention in 94.
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Hahahaha where in your imagination?
No,I'm afraid not.From a real interview by David Robson!Here is a quote from the man himself:"I had a stomach bug on the day of the contest so I was holding water."
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Dorian = fux or Nasser with a great back
blocky huge waiste and torso tiny arms
worst mr o in my opinion
shawn ray was Spot on in the video
Calling him the worst Mr O. just renders you, and any future posts completely invalid. Tiny arms? 21.5 inches. Yep, real tiny ::)
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they just dont understand.
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It all comes down as to who was better overall on that particular day and at the 1994 mr.Olympia it was Shawn Ray.
its interesting to note that the very last line in the 94 Musclemag Olympia review says the exact same thing..
if I recall it says:
"all I know is that a Mr. olympia should be as close to perfect as possible. and given such ground rules, it would be mighty hard to deny Shawn Ray"
much to the dismay of nuthuggers everywhere.
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You still keep pointing out on Dorian's posing and dryness,even though Dorian was a stiff poser and he himself admitted a water retention in 94.
welcome to the world of ND's fantasy bullshit..
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Yes,you are the only one who know that the judges toss out the high and low scores,lol.Your parade of knowing how the contests are judged is becoming annoying...By the way according to Nasser some judges had Dorian as low as 4th in 97...
Shawn didn't want the rules to be bend for him,what he wanted was the original criteria(the one that existed since the beginning of the sport until the fateful 1994 when it was bended to suit Dorian) back.
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion to his quads,name it how you want either they were too big for them or his quads were small for his calves.How big his calves should be if he ever was able to build thighs like Cutler or Warren and keep his proportions at the same time?And no mr.O since Colombo in 81 had that lack of vastus separation.
Keep that length of legs for the modelling competitions, in bodybuilding the muscular development is more important than the bone lenth,unless you are a "genetic disaster"like Paco Bautista it's not of major importance how long your legs are,and I don't think that was the case with Shawn.You are trying to compare some real flaws of Dorian's physique(e.g.distended stomach,torn biceps)with some minor genetic imperfections(if at all)of Shawn's physique.Other than calves,Shawn was as close to perfection as anyone could be.
It all comes down as to who was better overall on that particular day and at the 1994 mr.Olympia it was Shawn Ray.
You still keep pointing out on Dorian's posing and dryness,even though Dorian was a stiff poser and he himself admitted a water retention in 94.
Yes,you are the only one who know that the judges toss out the high and low scores,lol.Your parade of knowing how the contests are judged is becoming annoying...By the way according to Nasser some judges had Dorian as low as 4th in 97...
Of course it's becoming annoying to you because you're being corrected. And wow according to Nasser ::) according to Nasser all pros use synthol yet he never did , he's the last person you wanna quote and let's say it's true it brings us back to the high & low scores are tossed out so he could have been in ' fourth ' and still finished first again read a book or two
Shawn didn't want the rules to be bend for him,what he wanted was the original criteria(the one that existed since the beginning of the sport until the fateful 1994 when it was bended to suit Dorian) back.
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion to his quads,name it how you want either they were too big for them or his quads were small for his calves.How big his calves should be if he ever was able to build thighs like Cutler or Warren and keep his proportions at the same time?And no mr.O since Colombo in 81 had that lack of vastus separation.
You don't even know this criteria no matter what you call the ' original ' criteria and more stupidity on your behalf the criteria that is used now is NOT the same criteria used since the beginning , the criteria used to include dental examines onstage ! in Reeves day if a contest was deemed to close to call they had both contestants do gymnastics , you don't know the criteria now of before so stop embarrassing yourself trying to act knowledgeable
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion with his quads says you and we already established what you know , nothing. his proportions weren't perfect but eons better than Shawn Ray and he didn't lack separations of the Vastus in fact he tore that muscle in 1994 so it was obscured if you're claiming his quads looked like Franco's did in 1981 you're even more stupid then I thought
Keep that length of legs for the modelling competitions, in bodybuilding the muscular development is more important than the bone lenth,unless you are a "genetic disaster"like Paco Bautista it's not of major importance how long your legs are,and I don't think that was the case with Shawn.You are trying to compare some real flaws of Dorian's physique(e.g.distended stomach,torn biceps)with some minor genetic imperfections(if at all)of Shawn's physique.Other than calves,Shawn was as close to perfection as anyone could be.
Hahahahaha yeah keep the better structure and balance & proportion to modeling competitions ( which FYI bodybuilding contests are ) this is the part where you're willing to overlooks Shawn's numerous flaws out of preference , he doesn't have to live up to the standards others do because his small high calves are ' genetic ' biased anyone? Shawn doesn't have to meet the criteria of clavicle width because it's genetic or height ::) give me a break.
close to perfection? hahahahahaha more biased delusion Shawn's physique is not even close to perfect he's lacking way to much and just because you're willing to overlook doesn't mean the judges were .
Let me explain to you again how contests are judged. All rounds are physique rounds this means in every single pose all of the judging criteria is assessed at once , including muscular bulk , balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation , this applies to all rounds including the muscularity round , symmetry round and ( back then ) posing rounds
So while Shawn may meet part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian he doesn't meet the all better which is exactly how contests are judged. who satisfies the ALL of the criteria better
You can say how can Shawn Ray lose the symmetry round to Dorian Yates when clearly Shawn is more ' symmetrical ' I'll explain exactly how and why he lost. Symmetry is a broad and misleading term in this sport and means a lot of things to a lot of people. in includes having a small waist , small joints , great taper , small hips which is part of the reason Flex Wheeler is known as the Sultan of Symmetry despite not having the greatest balance and structure.
That is where the other part of the criteria comes into play , such as height ( height counts in a contest of the genetically elite ) torso length ( if one has a short torso , long torso or a medium one ) arm length ( in relation to the torso ) leg length ( compared to the torso and to others , Shawn has short legs , Ronnie has long ones ) then there is proportion between the muscles ( Shawn has short calves that insert high , Dorian has low ones ) muscle length , clavicle width ( narrow like Shawn and super wide like Wolf )
When people say Shawn has better symmetry than Dorian technically they're right if their speaking on that context alone but not right when all things are assessed. Directly compared to Dorian it's obvious Shawn has smaller waist & hips and smaller joints ( relatively speaking of course ) but he's also shorter ( height plays a role ) he also has short legs , a long torso and high insertions in his calves , along with narrow clavicles , so while he may meet part(s) of the symmetry better than Dorian he loses ground when everything is applied because All rounds are physique rounds
In the symmetry round the judges look who meets the criteria better in muscular bulk along with symmetry/balance & proportion. So while Shawn has a smaller waist & hips and smaller joints , he's down on balance & proportion and now muscular bulk. Now muscular bulk doesn't mean much if it's bulk for the sake of bulk. The judges like conditioned muscular bulk which is exactly why Shawn could beat guys who carried much more muscular bulk than him. And muscular bulk is a relative term and an absolute one as well.
Shawn was like a mini-mass monster he carried 205 pounds on a frame around 5'7" roughly the same weight as Lee Labrada who weighed around 190 pounds in contest shape. So if it were Shawn vs Lee , Shawn would have the advantage in muscular bulk because both were usually dead on the money in terms of conditioning and Shawn weighed more and looked physically bigger. However Dorian was 3" taller and in 1994 weighed 262 pounds and was hard as nails. There is a very big difference ( no pun ) on 262 pounds and 205 pounds even on a relative scale. So ontop of having better balance & proportion , Dorian also has a clear advantage in terms of muscular bulk and remember everything is judged at once , so just because Shawn meets part(s) of symmetry better he's losing on all counts so far
Which leads us to density & dryness , Shawn was usually very well conditioned and very dense & dry for his size , it's easy to be dense & dry when you're 205 pounds and a WHOLE other story when you're 262 pounds. The heavier one becomes the harder it is to retain that density which is the absence of intramuscular fat so what you're left with is just pure muscle. There is a huge difference between two guys who are both the same height and weight and one who is dense and one who's not. Which is why the combo of density & size are highly prized in competitive bodybyuilding.
So Shawn was usually very good with density & dryness he wasn't better than Dorian in this area. Perfect example he tried to compete heavier ( 215 pounds ) at one contest and his conditioning suffered for it. Dorian wins not only muscular bulk and balance & proportion now he wins density & dryness ( remember Shawn may meet part(s) of the criteria better but he loses when ALL of it is applied )
Now we can move on to posing & presentation. A lot of people always scratched their heads wondering how Dorian could win the symmetry round and well as the posing rounds. Now you have your answer All rounds are physique rounds Shawn is a very good poser and very good at presenting his physique to it's best advantage but so is Dorian and in any posing round or symmetry round the judges are looking at muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion so Dorian wins any round and any pose simply because he satisfies ALL of the criteria better than Shawn and any of his contemporaries
So when you type Shawn should have beat Dorian in 1994 it really means you're ignorant on how contests are judged and/or you simply prefer the way Shawn looks over Dorian .
According to how contests are judged Dorian clearly beat Shawn in 1994.
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welcome to the world of ND's fantasy bullshit..
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See above this applies to any of your moronic claims as well. ;)
Fantasy bullshit like Dorian should have lost in 1994 and Ronnie had more detailed calves than Dorian? And Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the entire pre-judging lmfao you're very far from reality my dim-witted friend.
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no one beats Doruan in the front latspread and pics , vids and quotes confirm this
Flex Magazine June 2002
The lat spread that stunned and revolutionized the bodybuilding world. It is jumbo-jet wide with giant slabs of rock-hard muscle knitted together with gnarly detail. Even in this front shot, you can see the immensity of the billowing lats -- particularly the one on the right, which, amazingly, casts a terrifying shadow.
epic desperate attempt to connect the dots. Where does the quote you posted say Dorian has the best latspread ever?
oh.. and in before ND posts some irrelevant quote to deflect the obvious - that he's a clueless moron when it comes to arguing.
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epic desperate attempt to connect the dots. Where does the quote you posted say Dorian has the best latspread ever?
oh.. and in before ND posts some irrelevant quote to deflect the obvious - that he's a clueless moron when it comes to arguing.
I never said the quote claimed Dorian had the best front latspread ever but I'm pointing to examples of people raving about Dorian's front latspread and yet none of you can post quotes raving about Ronnie's because it wasn't anything special , and let me guess when they refer to his front latspread as ' stunned and revolutionized ' they don't mean it was the best , just very good ::) I don't need to play with words that's your game , here's another.
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
need anything else corrected Mr Verbatim? you're the moron who plays semantics games , you're the moron who constantly tries to connect the dots , you're the moron who doesn't and still don't know how contests are judged , you're the moron with comprehension issues you're the moron who thinks 2003 is Ronnies best hahahahaha you're the moron who thinks balance & proportion are the same thing , you're the moron who thinks Ronnie carried more muscular bulk than Dorian by being 13 pounds lighter , I mean I can continue if you'd like.
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is that all you got? lol How does me quoting you verbatim to expose the weakness of your argument make me look stupid?
If anything, you calling me stupid is calling yourself stupid.
Main Entry: 1ver·ba·tim
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)vər-ˈbā-təm\
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English, from Medieval Latin, from Latin verbum word
Date: 15th century
: in the exact words : word for word
For future reference stupid , don't try and use big words unless you know what they mean ;D
lmfao you quoted me verbatim hehehehehehehehe
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epic desperate attempt to connect the dots. Where does the quote you posted say Dorian has the best latspread ever?
oh.. and in before ND posts some irrelevant quote to deflect the obvious - that he's a clueless moron when it comes to arguing.
I love your hypocrisy especially when you're the dummy who tried to past this question off as proof Ronnie was the best ever , not comprehending it was posed as a question and not a declaration.
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^^^ thanks for proving me right. You're too predictable ;D
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^^^ thanks for proving me right. You're too predictable ;D
Poor Neo trying to distance himself from his stupidity and hypocrisy.
Every once in a while you get the courage to follow me into another Yates thread and same old result you get outclassed at every turn and end up looking for a way out , come back when you're done licking your wounds , I'll be here to correct you as usual. ;)
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Poor Neo trying to distance himself from his stupidity and hypocrisy.
Every once in a while you get the courage to follow me into another Yates thread and same old result you get outclassed at every turn and end up looking for a way out , come back when you're done licking your wounds , I'll be here to correct you as usual. ;)
He's a glutton for punishment.
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anyone else find it funny that a closeup pic of ronnie's ass has more detail than dorian does on the whole front side of his body LOL:
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He's a glutton for punishment.
He comes back bitching and moaning about how we're still at it and where is he? just like a said following me into another Dorian Yates thread getting smacked around like a little bitch , he's like Hulkster he's been corrected so many times he's has to try even harder to save face when he only looks like a bigger idiot in the process
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anyone else find it funny that a closeup pic of ronnie's ass has more detail than dorian does on the whole front side of his body LOL:
We all know how much you loves Ronnie's ass :-X
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I love how you think you have 'corrected' us when your entire argument depends on refuting real life pics and videos because they show what everyone already knows: that dorian was not as good as a peak ronnie coleman.
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and by the way, your refuting doesn't work. its just sad and pathetic.
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He's a glutton for punishment.
oh? And how am I a glutton for punishment? Would love to see some evidence to back up your words.
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ND has no real evidence. only other people's opinons and quotes.
most of which cannot be backed up by real life.
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ND has no real evidence. only other people's opinons and quotes.
most of which cannot be backed up by real life.
ND is an idiot, plain and simple.
the guy posts the subjective opinion of a handful of people and calls it "converging evidence" yet when we post a myriad of quotes from the IFBB founder, several magazine editors, bodybuilding promoters, photographers and IFBB pros, it's "ad populum." ::)
the retard can't even argue to save his life. If you back him into a corner, he starts to post irrelevant quotes from other threads to deflect attention away from him. Case in point: quoting me talking about hitting the gym or posting screen caps of your convo from another thread. I'm still waiting for him to answer what that has to do with this discussion about Dorian.
he put a lot of effort into explaining why Ronnie is missing a pair of calves. When I exposed the absurdity of his argument and showed how the same rationale can be used to argue why Dorian is missing biceps and quads, he got all butt-hurt and started to call me "stupid." ::)
arguing with ND is like arguing with a screaming child who covers his ears and stomps on the ground
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I love how you think you have 'corrected' us when your entire argument depends on refuting real life pics and videos because they show what everyone already knows: that dorian was not as good as a peak ronnie coleman.
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and by the way, your refuting doesn't work. its just sad and pathetic.
Actually what's really pathetic is your OBSESSION with Ronnie and how you jump into every Dorian thread praising your man love for Ronnie. Actually creepy may be a better word than pathetic.
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ND is an idiot, plain and simple.
the guy posts the subjective opinion of a handful of people and calls it "converging evidence" yet when we post a myriad of quotes from the IFBB founder, several magazine editors, bodybuilding promoters, photographers and IFBB pros, it's "ad populum." ::)
the retard can't even argue to save his life. If you back him into a corner, he starts to post irrelevant quotes from other threads to deflect attention away from him. Case in point: quoting me talking about hitting the gym or posting screen caps of your convo from another thread. I'm still waiting for him to answer what that has to do with this discussion about Dorian.
he put a lot of effort into explaining why Ronnie is missing a pair of calves. When I exposed the absurdity of his argument and showed how the same rationale can be used to argue why Dorian is missing biceps and quads, he got all butt-hurt and started to call me "stupid." ::)
arguing with ND is like arguing with a screaming child who covers his ears and stomps on the ground
ND is an idiot, plain and simple.
the guy posts the subjective opinion of a handful of people and calls it "converging evidence" yet when we post a myriad of quotes from the IFBB founder, several magazine editors, bodybuilding promoters, photographers and IFBB pros, it's "ad populum." ::)
Out of the two of us I know more about competitive bodybuilding than you by far and I know what verbatim means too ;D and you're a hypocrite because every quote you post is exactly what you just claimed mine are ......subjective and I don't fear subjective opinions in the least . the difference between you and I is , I'm not hinging my opinion based on subjective opinions but on facts and knowledge
You simply do not know how contests are judged and how the criteria is applied this is a prove fact. You're so desperate to try and impress people you try and act like you know what you're talking about and get corrected all the time and instead of admitting you didn't know you try and play word games and simply stop responding
You are the guy who claimed balance & proportion were the same thing , you were the guy who claimed Ronnie carried more muscular bulk than Dorian despite being much lighter , you're the guy who didn't know all rounds are physique rounds , you're the guy who claimed to to know who is better conditioned based on inaccurate means and told the people who did they were wrong despite never once seeing other live and in person , you're the who claimed Ronnie wasn't that smart because he said Dorian would beat him , you're the one with comprehension problems who can't tell the difference between a question & a declaration. It comes down to knowledge about the sport and I have proven you have none.
the retard can't even argue to save his life. If you back him into a corner, he starts to post irrelevant quotes from other threads to deflect attention away from him. Case in point: quoting me talking about hitting the gym or posting screen caps of your convo from another thread. I'm still waiting for him to answer what that has to do with this discussion about Dorian.
I love how you start to say I can't argue to save my life with an ad hominem attack lmfao more hypocrisy from you , now all we have to do is add that to your semantics games , your comprehension problems and the simple fact you do not know how contests are judged and out of the two of us it's pretty clear which one of his can't argue ;)
I've addressed everything you ever typed 20 times over I don't run from you on the other hand when you're hopelessly beaten down by facts you simply stop responding so more of your hypocrisy claiming you're waiting for me to answer you when in fact you're the guy who didn't respond to my long post because you were as usual in way over your head
I don't need to deflect any attention from me , I know exactly what my argument is and it's ironclad and hasn't changed and I proved my points using the IFBB judging criteria and IFBB judges . I've said many times Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better density & dryness , better balance & proportion , depending on the year more muscular bulk and better posing & presentation . These I have proven and you dismissed the experts who all claimed the above to be true
he put a lot of effort into explaining why Ronnie is missing a pair of calves. When I exposed the absurdity of his argument and showed how the same rationale can be used to argue why Dorian is missing biceps and quads, he got all butt-hurt and started to call me "stupid." ::)
arguing with ND is like arguing with a screaming child who covers his ears and stomps on the ground
No , no I called you stupid because you tried to claim you copied me verbatim when in fact you didn't and you changed my entire post around LMFAO that's why you're stupid ( among other reasons ) and the absurdity of my argument ? you really wanna embarrass yourself again with this one again? he's missing diamond shape , low insertion , separation , and proportionate size to his quads but somehow he's not missing two calves? everything you just about me having an absurd argument is nothing more than projection on your behalf
You have no argument because you don't know how the game is played , you have no argument because you claimed eyewitnesses all to be wrong whilst sitting at home on your PC , you have no argument because you're in way over your head and reduced to ad hominem attacks and semantics games , Neo there is NO argument between us , just you trying hard to seem like someone who is knowledgeable and getting corrected at every turn and as usual I don't expect a reply from you because it's typical of you when you overmatched you simple run from facts.
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I never said the quote claimed Dorian had the best front latspread ever but I'm pointing to examples of people raving about Dorian's front latspread and yet none of you can post quotes raving about Ronnie's because it wasn't anything special , and let me guess when they refer to his front latspread as ' stunned and revolutionized ' they don't mean it was the best , just very good ::) I don't need to play with words that's your game , here's another.
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
need anything else corrected Mr Verbatim? you're the moron who plays semantics games , you're the moron who constantly tries to connect the dots , you're the moron who doesn't and still don't know how contests are judged , you're the moron with comprehension issues you're the moron who thinks 2003 is Ronnies best hahahahaha you're the moron who thinks balance & proportion are the same thing , you're the moron who thinks Ronnie carried more muscular bulk than Dorian by being 13 pounds lighter , I mean I can continue if you'd like.
Markus also said in interviews post 2003 that he wanted to be like Ronnie because he had every muscle developed to the fullest. He even supposedly announced his retirement at the same time as Ronnie out of respect.
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Of course it's becoming annoying to you because you're being corrected. And wow according to Nasser ::) according to Nasser all pros use synthol yet he never did , he's the last person you wanna quote and let's say it's true it brings us back to the high & low scores are tossed out so he could have been in ' fourth ' and still finished first again read a book or two
You don't even know this criteria no matter what you call the ' original ' criteria and more stupidity on your behalf the criteria that is used now is NOT the same criteria used since the beginning , the criteria used to include dental examines onstage ! in Reeves day if a contest was deemed to close to call they had both contestants do gymnastics , you don't know the criteria now of before so stop embarrassing yourself trying to act knowledgeable
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion with his quads says you and we already established what you know , nothing. his proportions weren't perfect but eons better than Shawn Ray and he didn't lack separations of the Vastus in fact he tore that muscle in 1994 so it was obscured if you're claiming his quads looked like Franco's did in 1981 you're even more stupid then I thought
Hahahahaha yeah keep the better structure and balance & proportion to modeling competitions ( which FYI bodybuilding contests are ) this is the part where you're willing to overlooks Shawn's numerous flaws out of preference , he doesn't have to live up to the standards others do because his small high calves are ' genetic ' biased anyone? Shawn doesn't have to meet the criteria of clavicle width because it's genetic or height ::) give me a break.
close to perfection? hahahahahaha more biased delusion Shawn's physique is not even close to perfect he's lacking way to much and just because you're willing to overlook doesn't mean the judges were .
Let me explain to you again how contests are judged. All rounds are physique rounds this means in every single pose all of the judging criteria is assessed at once , including muscular bulk , balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation , this applies to all rounds including the muscularity round , symmetry round and ( back then ) posing rounds
So while Shawn may meet part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian he doesn't meet the all better which is exactly how contests are judged. who satisfies the ALL of the criteria better
You can say how can Shawn Ray lose the symmetry round to Dorian Yates when clearly Shawn is more ' symmetrical ' I'll explain exactly how and why he lost. Symmetry is a broad and misleading term in this sport and means a lot of things to a lot of people. in includes having a small waist , small joints , great taper , small hips which is part of the reason Flex Wheeler is known as the Sultan of Symmetry despite not having the greatest balance and structure.
That is where the other part of the criteria comes into play , such as height ( height counts in a contest of the genetically elite ) torso length ( if one has a short torso , long torso or a medium one ) arm length ( in relation to the torso ) leg length ( compared to the torso and to others , Shawn has short legs , Ronnie has long ones ) then there is proportion between the muscles ( Shawn has short calves that insert high , Dorian has low ones ) muscle length , clavicle width ( narrow like Shawn and super wide like Wolf )
When people say Shawn has better symmetry than Dorian technically they're right if their speaking on that context alone but not right when all things are assessed. Directly compared to Dorian it's obvious Shawn has smaller waist & hips and smaller joints ( relatively speaking of course ) but he's also shorter ( height plays a role ) he also has short legs , a long torso and high insertions in his calves , along with narrow clavicles , so while he may meet part(s) of the symmetry better than Dorian he loses ground when everything is applied because All rounds are physique rounds
In the symmetry round the judges look who meets the criteria better in muscular bulk along with symmetry/balance & proportion. So while Shawn has a smaller waist & hips and smaller joints , he's down on balance & proportion and now muscular bulk. Now muscular bulk doesn't mean much if it's bulk for the sake of bulk. The judges like conditioned muscular bulk which is exactly why Shawn could beat guys who carried much more muscular bulk than him. And muscular bulk is a relative term and an absolute one as well.
Shawn was like a mini-mass monster he carried 205 pounds on a frame around 5'7" roughly the same weight as Lee Labrada who weighed around 190 pounds in contest shape. So if it were Shawn vs Lee , Shawn would have the advantage in muscular bulk because both were usually dead on the money in terms of conditioning and Shawn weighed more and looked physically bigger. However Dorian was 3" taller and in 1994 weighed 262 pounds and was hard as nails. There is a very big difference ( no pun ) on 262 pounds and 205 pounds even on a relative scale. So ontop of having better balance & proportion , Dorian also has a clear advantage in terms of muscular bulk and remember everything is judged at once , so just because Shawn meets part(s) of symmetry better he's losing on all counts so far
Which leads us to density & dryness , Shawn was usually very well conditioned and very dense & dry for his size , it's easy to be dense & dry when you're 205 pounds and a WHOLE other story when you're 262 pounds. The heavier one becomes the harder it is to retain that density which is the absence of intramuscular fat so what you're left with is just pure muscle. There is a huge difference between two guys who are both the same height and weight and one who is dense and one who's not. Which is why the combo of density & size are highly prized in competitive bodybyuilding.
So Shawn was usually very good with density & dryness he wasn't better than Dorian in this area. Perfect example he tried to compete heavier ( 215 pounds ) at one contest and his conditioning suffered for it. Dorian wins not only muscular bulk and balance & proportion now he wins density & dryness ( remember Shawn may meet part(s) of the criteria better but he loses when ALL of it is applied )
Now we can move on to posing & presentation. A lot of people always scratched their heads wondering how Dorian could win the symmetry round and well as the posing rounds. Now you have your answer All rounds are physique rounds Shawn is a very good poser and very good at presenting his physique to it's best advantage but so is Dorian and in any posing round or symmetry round the judges are looking at muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion so Dorian wins any round and any pose simply because he satisfies ALL of the criteria better than Shawn and any of his contemporaries
So when you type Shawn should have beat Dorian in 1994 it really means you're ignorant on how contests are judged and/or you simply prefer the way Shawn looks over Dorian .
According to how contests are judged Dorian clearly beat Shawn in 1994.
Based on all your explanation on how contests are judged I can now see why Dorian beat Shawn and won the 1994 Olympia. Dorian deserved his win, its a whole different thing to like someone's physique better than it is to point out the clear winner.
Recently, I also read an article written by a bodybuilding judge and he said the same you say: All rounds are physique rounds.
One question this criteria has brought up to me is this: if every round is a physique round, meaning all criteria is assesed at once, what happened at the 1991 Olympia? Shouldn't the bodybuilder that meets all the criteria better win every round? How come Dorian won the muscularity round, but then Haney won the symmetry and posing rounds?
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Out of the two of us I know more about competitive bodybuilding than you by far
no. What's funny is you keep boasting about how you "had to correct me," then claim you know more about competitive bodybuilding. So which is it? Either you never corrected me or I know as much as you do now.
and I know what verbatim means too
LOL good, then you understand I quoted you verbatim when I hit reply with quote. ;)
and you're a hypocrite because every quote you post is exactly what you just claimed mine are ......subjective and I don't fear subjective opinions in the least . the difference between you and I is , I'm not hinging my opinion based on subjective opinions but on facts and knowledge
where do you come up with this shit? I pointed out the absurdity of relying on a handful of quotes and calling them "coverging evidence" when you dismiss the overwhelming supply of quotes in favor of Ronnie as "ad populum."
I also think it's hypocritical of you to pick which quotes you accept or ignore from the same f*cking person! It's tantamount to using witness testimony in court to argue your case and then saying he is not a reliable source. However, you're too dumb to realize this. lmao
your opinions are in fact just that - opinions. You still to this day cannot explain what objective visual criteria you are using to determine conditioning. I have provided anatomical literature, visual evidence, and proposed an objective criteria to argue why Ronnie at the 01 ASC surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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Of course it's becoming annoying to you because you're being corrected. And wow according to Nasser ::) according to Nasser all pros use synthol yet he never did , he's the last person you wanna quote and let's say it's true it brings us back to the high & low scores are tossed out so he could have been in ' fourth ' and still finished first again read a book or two
You don't even know this criteria no matter what you call the ' original ' criteria and more stupidity on your behalf the criteria that is used now is NOT the same criteria used since the beginning , the criteria used to include dental examines onstage ! in Reeves day if a contest was deemed to close to call they had both contestants do gymnastics , you don't know the criteria now of before so stop embarrassing yourself trying to act knowledgeable
Dorian's calves weren't in proportion with his quads says you and we already established what you know , nothing. his proportions weren't perfect but eons better than Shawn Ray and he didn't lack separations of the Vastus in fact he tore that muscle in 1994 so it was obscured if you're claiming his quads looked like Franco's did in 1981 you're even more stupid then I thought
Hahahahaha yeah keep the better structure and balance & proportion to modeling competitions ( which FYI bodybuilding contests are ) this is the part where you're willing to overlooks Shawn's numerous flaws out of preference , he doesn't have to live up to the standards others do because his small high calves are ' genetic ' biased anyone? Shawn doesn't have to meet the criteria of clavicle width because it's genetic or height ::) give me a break.
close to perfection? hahahahahaha more biased delusion Shawn's physique is not even close to perfect he's lacking way to much and just because you're willing to overlook doesn't mean the judges were .
Let me explain to you again how contests are judged. All rounds are physique rounds this means in every single pose all of the judging criteria is assessed at once , including muscular bulk , balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation , this applies to all rounds including the muscularity round , symmetry round and ( back then ) posing rounds
So while Shawn may meet part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian he doesn't meet the all better which is exactly how contests are judged. who satisfies the ALL of the criteria better
You can say how can Shawn Ray lose the symmetry round to Dorian Yates when clearly Shawn is more ' symmetrical ' I'll explain exactly how and why he lost. Symmetry is a broad and misleading term in this sport and means a lot of things to a lot of people. in includes having a small waist , small joints , great taper , small hips which is part of the reason Flex Wheeler is known as the Sultan of Symmetry despite not having the greatest balance and structure.
That is where the other part of the criteria comes into play , such as height ( height counts in a contest of the genetically elite ) torso length ( if one has a short torso , long torso or a medium one ) arm length ( in relation to the torso ) leg length ( compared to the torso and to others , Shawn has short legs , Ronnie has long ones ) then there is proportion between the muscles ( Shawn has short calves that insert high , Dorian has low ones ) muscle length , clavicle width ( narrow like Shawn and super wide like Wolf )
When people say Shawn has better symmetry than Dorian technically they're right if their speaking on that context alone but not right when all things are assessed. Directly compared to Dorian it's obvious Shawn has smaller waist & hips and smaller joints ( relatively speaking of course ) but he's also shorter ( height plays a role ) he also has short legs , a long torso and high insertions in his calves , along with narrow clavicles , so while he may meet part(s) of the symmetry better than Dorian he loses ground when everything is applied because All rounds are physique rounds
In the symmetry round the judges look who meets the criteria better in muscular bulk along with symmetry/balance & proportion. So while Shawn has a smaller waist & hips and smaller joints , he's down on balance & proportion and now muscular bulk. Now muscular bulk doesn't mean much if it's bulk for the sake of bulk. The judges like conditioned muscular bulk which is exactly why Shawn could beat guys who carried much more muscular bulk than him. And muscular bulk is a relative term and an absolute one as well.
Shawn was like a mini-mass monster he carried 205 pounds on a frame around 5'7" roughly the same weight as Lee Labrada who weighed around 190 pounds in contest shape. So if it were Shawn vs Lee , Shawn would have the advantage in muscular bulk because both were usually dead on the money in terms of conditioning and Shawn weighed more and looked physically bigger. However Dorian was 3" taller and in 1994 weighed 262 pounds and was hard as nails. There is a very big difference ( no pun ) on 262 pounds and 205 pounds even on a relative scale. So ontop of having better balance & proportion , Dorian also has a clear advantage in terms of muscular bulk and remember everything is judged at once , so just because Shawn meets part(s) of symmetry better he's losing on all counts so far
Which leads us to density & dryness , Shawn was usually very well conditioned and very dense & dry for his size , it's easy to be dense & dry when you're 205 pounds and a WHOLE other story when you're 262 pounds. The heavier one becomes the harder it is to retain that density which is the absence of intramuscular fat so what you're left with is just pure muscle. There is a huge difference between two guys who are both the same height and weight and one who is dense and one who's not. Which is why the combo of density & size are highly prized in competitive bodybyuilding.
So Shawn was usually very good with density & dryness he wasn't better than Dorian in this area. Perfect example he tried to compete heavier ( 215 pounds ) at one contest and his conditioning suffered for it. Dorian wins not only muscular bulk and balance & proportion now he wins density & dryness ( remember Shawn may meet part(s) of the criteria better but he loses when ALL of it is applied )
Now we can move on to posing & presentation. A lot of people always scratched their heads wondering how Dorian could win the symmetry round and well as the posing rounds. Now you have your answer All rounds are physique rounds Shawn is a very good poser and very good at presenting his physique to it's best advantage but so is Dorian and in any posing round or symmetry round the judges are looking at muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion so Dorian wins any round and any pose simply because he satisfies ALL of the criteria better than Shawn and any of his contemporaries
So when you type Shawn should have beat Dorian in 1994 it really means you're ignorant on how contests are judged and/or you simply prefer the way Shawn looks over Dorian .
According to how contests are judged Dorian clearly beat Shawn in 1994.
The competition where Grimeck beat Reeves was the NABBA mr.Universe 1948.Thay had a tie on the scoresheets,so the promoter decided they have to do gymnastics etc.,but that contest was an exeption,that wasn't a routine to decide the contests,plus it wasn't even an IFBB contest.
Where did I said Dorian's quads looked like Franco's?Read my post again!I said that since franko no mr.O winner had lack of separation on the quads(understand Dickerson,Bannout and Haney had better thigh separation than Dorian as well as every winner after Dorian!)
The actual procedure of judging a contest and the criteria about what qualities the winners physique should include are 2 different things.Throughout the hitory IFBB changed the first many times incl.the number of judges involved,the mandatory poses included,the number of rounds etc.,etc...Yet the criteria about how the winners physique should look like remained the same until Dorian's era when the winner can have a distended stomach in a combination with torn musclegroups and still be considered as the "best built man in the world".
Shawn don't have short legs and long torso(lee priest and paco bautista have!)Shawn has the same torso and leg length as the majority of people who are 5'7''.His bone structure is very similar to that of Dexter Jackson.His legs may seem short for you of course,because his quads(in a contrast with Dorian's 94 version)were fully developed.And Ray indeed was very close to perfection,doesn't matter whether you like that fact or not.Why do you think the judges placed him in the top 5 for 12 consecutive years?It certainly wasn't because he was the biggest or they liked his personality.It's because he has great shape and structure and complete development.
When you studied how the contests are judged,you probably also discovered that how you look onstage is of much greater importance than how much is your weight.That's why Frank Zane used to beat competitors with much more muscular bulk than his(even when they were in a good condition).And that's how a 4'10'',145 lbs.Flavio Bachianini was twice runner up at the masters Olympia,beating legends like Robby Robinson,Sonny Schmidt etc in the process.
Dorian was heavier than Shawn,but he also was taller with thicker and heavier bone structure.For his frame Shawn was as you said "a little mass monster"at 205-210.
When you insist that Dorian had better balance and proportions than Shawn,please tell which year you are reffering to,because Dorian had different balance every single year!Comparing Dorian of 93 with Dorian of 97 is like comparing 2 different bodybuilders.How can someone have different balance&proportions every single year and they still be considered as the best?Dorian of 97 had much smaller arms and bigger legs(though not better)than Dorian of 93,therefore his balance&proportions were not the same.In 94 his thighs and arms(due to the injuries) were lagging in comparison to his 93 version as well as in comparison to the guys standing next to him.Shawn Ray was the one with best balance in 94.He also was the most conditioned(he was hard,dry,dense,he had full muscle bellies and great muscle separation and details.I short he was complete!
When Francis Benfatto placed 6th at the 2006 Australian GP,the judges told him that he could have placed higher if it wasn't for his torn pec.They penalized him for having a torn muscle.They also should penalize Dorian for that,but they didn't.They didn't penalize him for having a distended stomach as well.Size is important,but not at the exclusion of shape,detail,symmetry and completness.
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I'm still waiting for ND to explain what the point of quoting me saying I'm going to hit the gym has to do with this discussion.
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no. What's funny is you keep boasting about how you "had to correct me," then claim you know more about competitive bodybuilding. So which is it? Either you never corrected me or I know as much as you do now.
LOL good, then you understand I quoted you verbatim when I hit reply with quote. ;)
where do you come up with this shit? I pointed out the absurdity of relying on a handful of quotes and calling them "coverging evidence" when you dismiss the overwhelming supply of quotes in favor of Ronnie as "ad populum."
I also think it's hypocritical of you to pick which quotes you accept or ignore from the same f*cking person! It's tantamount to using witness testimony in court to argue your case and then saying he is not a reliable source. However, you're too dumb to realize this. lmao
your opinions are in fact just that - opinions. You still to this day cannot explain what objective visual criteria you are using to determine conditioning. I have provided anatomical literature, visual evidence, and proposed an objective criteria to argue why Ronnie at the 01 ASC surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
no. What's funny is you keep boasting about how you "had to correct me," then claim you know more about competitive bodybuilding. So which is it? Either you never corrected me or I know as much as you
You don't know as much as me and I constantly corrected you. That's the whole problem you like to act like you know what you're talking about and always end up falling flat on your face.
LOL good, then you understand I quoted you verbatim when I hit reply with quote. ;)
Oh verbatim now has a new meaning? since when did it change? ???
where do you come up with this shit? I pointed out the absurdity of relying on a handful of quotes and calling them "coverging evidence" when you dismiss the overwhelming supply of quotes in favor of Ronnie as "ad populum."
the difference you still can't seem to grasp is between subjective & non-subjective quotes.
I also think it's hypocritical of you to pick which quotes you accept or ignore from the same f*cking person! It's tantamount to using witness testimony in court to argue your case and then saying he is not a reliable source. However, you're too dumb to realize this. lmao
I don't accept or ignore either I take them for what they are. and what you just accused me you , yourself are very guilty of , You love to post the quote where McGough says 2001 Ronnie would be unbeatable but two seconds later claim he's crazy if he thinks Dorian was better conditioned than Ronnie. You're a hypocrite and very dumb for casting stone from your glass house.
your opinions are in fact just that - opinions. You still to this day cannot explain what objective visual criteria you are using to determine conditioning. I have provided anatomical literature, visual evidence, and proposed an objective criteria to argue why Ronnie at the 01 ASC surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
The saying goes " you're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts. " facts are just that facts. I've explained to you ad nasuem what ' objective visual criteria ' they use to determine conditioning. You didn't like the answer and in fact despite never once seeing either at any point in their careers , despite not even knowing what constitutes great conditioning , went on to tell those who were live and in person over the course of their entire careers they are wrong and you are right from inaccurate means via the internet.
You provided anatomical literature? LMFAO you're the one who claimed that a medical doctor would side with you just because he would ::) visual evidence? different pictures , with different lighting and different quality all while omitting the fact that Dorian looks eons better in person than he does on print/film and you formed an ' objective ' opinion LMFAO I'll give you this you're certainly trying hard on this one lol
You didn't even know what density was , there is NO WAY in hell you're going to form an objective opinion without even knowing what you're looking for and then tell eyewitnesses they're wrong and you're right LMFAO your insistence to be right when clearly wrong speaks volumes about your character. an intelligent person would concede that they honestly and objectively can't determine two different bodybuilders levels of conditioning based off internet pictures and compressed video and would take what the real experts say proof and what's funny is NO ONE is contradicting the claim , there isn't anyone claiming Ronnie was better conditioned that Dorian
In fact Dorian who is an IFBB judge has said when directly when posed the question he is better conditioned than Ronnie ( and better balanced ) , and when all the other quotes say the same that's evidence converging . You have this idea of what great conditioning is and it's not what you think and to be fair and really objective I have said perhaps Ronnie did matched Dorian for that dense & dry look albeit lighter so even entertaining your point Dorian is still better conditioned because his density is unmatched at much higher body weights than Ronnie so you lose either way . ;)
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I'm still waiting for ND to explain what the point of quoting me saying I'm going to hit the gym has to do with this discussion.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with this discussion. I just enjoy posting your monster meltdown ;D and it was just you going to the gym? No , no my stupid little friend it was your internet-challenge where you couldn't stand toe-to-toe with me on facts so you figured you'd throw down the gauntlet and that beyond retarded challenge where you thought you'd have better luck
Internet challenge
ah well, I'm off to the gym. I'll let ND and Mr.1derful continue posting in my absence. Who knows... maybe I'll compete in the next Mr. Getbig. I've put on a lot of size and worked on my weaknesses since Mr. Getbig 2. I would encourage ND to enter since he claims he's bigger than me but I know he'll just come up with an excuse to pussy out
Oh no the whole of GetBig will view me as a ' pussy ' if I don't accept your internet-challenge LMFAO this post gave me douche chills on so many levels , you're an angry little dude ;D but you do provide me with many laughs though
the only thing gayer than an internet-challenge is accepting one .
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You don't know as much as me and I constantly corrected you. That's the whole problem you like to act like you know what you're talking about and always end up falling flat on your face.
<yawn> I know everything you know about competitive bodybuilding since the Truce thread began over 3 yrs ago. I know you like to pride yourself over your magazine collection and knowledge of bodybuilding statistics, but judging isn't exactly a difficult topic to grasp. The rules fit on a few pages in a pdf file and haven't changed much, if at all, in the past 60 years. So yes, I do know as much as you do. Competitive bodybuilding may seem to you like this mystical world that takes many years of jedi training to master but it's really not that hard to figure out, dumbass.
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The competition where Grimeck beat Reeves was the NABBA mr.Universe 1948.Thay had a tie on the scoresheets,so the promoter decided they have to do gymnastics etc.,but that contest was an exeption,that wasn't a routine to decide the contests,plus it wasn't even an IFBB contest.
Where did I said Dorian's quads looked like Franco's?Read my post again!I said that since franko no mr.O winner had lack of separation on the quads(understand Dickerson,Bannout and Haney had better thigh separation than Dorian as well as every winner after Dorian!)
The actual procedure of judging a contest and the criteria about what qualities the winners physique should include are 2 different things.Throughout the hitory IFBB changed the first many times incl.the number of judges involved,the mandatory poses included,the number of rounds etc.,etc...Yet the criteria about how the winners physique should look like remained the same until Dorian's era when the winner can have a distended stomach in a combination with torn musclegroups and still be considered as the "best built man in the world".
Shawn don't have short legs and long torso(lee priest and paco bautista have!)Shawn has the same torso and leg length as the majority of people who are 5'7''.His bone structure is very similar to that of Dexter Jackson.His legs may seem short for you of course,because his quads(in a contrast with Dorian's 94 version)were fully developed.And Ray indeed was very close to perfection,doesn't matter whether you like that fact or not.Why do you think the judges placed him in the top 5 for 12 consecutive years?It certainly wasn't because he was the biggest or they liked his personality.It's because he has great shape and structure and complete development.
When you studied how the contests are judged,you probably also discovered that how you look onstage is of much greater importance than how much is your weight.That's why Frank Zane used to beat competitors with much more muscular bulk than his(even when they were in a good condition).And that's how a 4'10'',145 lbs.Flavio Bachianini was twice runner up at the masters Olympia,beating legends like Robby Robinson,Sonny Schmidt etc in the process.
Dorian was heavier than Shawn,but he also was taller with thicker and heavier bone structure.For his frame Shawn was as you said "a little mass monster"at 205-210.
When you insist that Dorian had better balance and proportions than Shawn,please tell which year you are reffering to,because Dorian had different balance every single year!Comparing Dorian of 93 with Dorian of 97 is like comparing 2 different bodybuilders.How can someone have different balance&proportions every single year and they still be considered as the best?Dorian of 97 had much smaller arms and bigger legs(though not better)than Dorian of 93,therefore his balance&proportions were not the same.In 94 his thighs and arms(due to the injuries) were lagging in comparison to his 93 version as well as in comparison to the guys standing next to him.Shawn Ray was the one with best balance in 94.He also was the most conditioned(he was hard,dry,dense,he had full muscle bellies and great muscle separation and details.I short he was complete!
When Francis Benfatto placed 6th at the 2006 Australian GP,the judges told him that he could have placed higher if it wasn't for his torn pec.They penalized him for having a torn muscle.They also should penalize Dorian for that,but they didn't.They didn't penalize him for having a distended stomach as well.Size is important,but not at the exclusion of shape,detail,symmetry and completness.
The competition where Grimeck beat Reeves was the NABBA mr.Universe 1948.Thay had a tie on the scoresheets,so the promoter decided they have to do gymnastics etc.,but that contest was an exeption,that wasn't a routine to decide the contests,plus it wasn't even an IFBB contest.
Congrats you know how to use Google's search feature I know exactly what contest it was. And you didn't specify if it had to be an IFBB contest and you prove to you wrong again that the criteria even in the IFBB hasn't always existed go see how the very first Olympia were judged and it isn't the same as it was in 1994 ;) so your point that Shawn wasn't judged to the original standards that have always been is flat-out wrong and ignorant
Where did I said Dorian's quads looked like Franco's?Read my post again!I said that since franko no mr.O winner had lack of separation on the quads(understand Dickerson,Bannout and Haney had better thigh separation than Dorian as well as every winner after Dorian!)
You just did it again that's where Dorian's quads lacked separation like Franco's did in 1981 that's comparing his quads to Francos and it's absurd and flat-out wrong. they all had better rectus femoris separation than Dorian , go Google the rest of the muscles of the ' thigh ' watch the 1991 Mr Olympia where Lenda Murray comments on Dorian saying ( and I'm paraphrasing here ) " He looks like Haney with legs " implying the obvious Lee had NO legs so any advantage in rectus femoris separation is rendered moot by inferior everything else.
The actual procedure of judging a contest and the criteria about what qualities the winners physique should include are 2 different things.Throughout the hitory IFBB changed the first many times incl.the number of judges involved,the mandatory poses included,the number of rounds etc.,etc...Yet the criteria about how the winners physique should look like remained the same until Dorian's era when the winner can have a distended stomach in a combination with torn musclegroups and still be considered as the "best built man in the world".
Here is an IFBB judge commenting on Dorian's torn muscle
Added Rockell: Dorian had a SLIGHT injury but as far as I'm concerned , it had NO bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. Paul's major deficiencies were in his back : not enough muscularity for his large frame. also basic stamina throughout was in question ; during call-outs , he was breathing heavy and bending over.
the distended abdomen ( not stomach ;) ) wasn't visible when held tight in poses and whenever the overall package is so dominating one bicep shorter than another makes no overall impact. It may to you and point taken but we deal with what happened and not what should have happened. Dorian's torn bicep would hurt one pose only and that's the front double biceps pose
Shawn don't have short legs and long torso(lee priest and paco bautista have!)Shawn has the same torso and leg length as the majority of people who are 5'7''.His bone structure is very similar to that of Dexter Jackson.His legs may seem short for you of course,because his quads(in a contrast with Dorian's 94 version)were fully developed.And Ray indeed was very close to perfection,doesn't matter whether you like that fact or not.Why do you think the judges placed him in the top 5 for 12 consecutive years?It certainly wasn't because he was the biggest or they liked his personality.It's because he has great shape and structure and complete development.
Really he doesn't? ::) did they grow somehow? and you compared him to all other people 5'7" ? ??? He has short legs and a long torso and no matter how much you scream the Earth is flat it's not going to change. It doesn't mean it's a bad thing persa it's all relative to who you're competing with but these things come up when directly compared to someone who doesn't have short legs. I mean if he's competing against all other guys who have short legs then it's not a flaw
And his structure is NOT the same as Dexter , Dexter has much wider clavicles and back width big difference there and Dexter's structure allows him to carry more size without ill effect to his structure. And I know exactly why they placed Shawn consistently in the top 5 because he was an excellent bodybuilder and did very well for himself despite his flaws , however when compared to guys who didn't lack as much as he did he never won the contest that matter the most to him , against Haney , Yates and Coleman .
When you studied how the contests are judged,you probably also discovered that how you look onstage is of much greater importance than how much is your weight.That's why Frank Zane used to beat competitors with much more muscular bulk than his(even when they were in a good condition).And that's how a 4'10'',145 lbs.Flavio Bachianini was twice runner up at the masters Olympia,beating legends like Robby Robinson,Sonny Schmidt etc in the process.
Dorian was heavier than Shawn,but he also was taller with thicker and heavier bone structure.For his frame Shawn was as you said "a little mass monster"at 205-210.
I know exactly the point you're making about the judges not weighing contestants on stage and it's an illusion but a judge can clearly tell who is carrying more muscular bulk when Shawn is standing next to bigger guys but again that's not ALL they judge contests on , they apply all the criteria and according to that Dorian clearly beat Shawn in 1994 you can argue all you want about Shawn's aesthetic physique should more represent what the Olympia is about but I'll comment on what happened instead of what you wanted to happen and how contests are judged.
People have been screaming for years that Bob Paris' type physique should win the only against Haney , and Labrada with Haney and Ray with Yates and others with Ronnie it's nothing new but these people want to omit parts of the criteria to meet their ideal and maybe they're right but we're talking about what happened not what could have happened or should have happened.
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<yawn> I know everything you know about competitive bodybuilding since the Truce thread began over 3 yrs ago. I know you like to pride yourself over your magazine collection and knowledge of bodybuilding statistics, but judging isn't exactly a difficult topic to grasp. The rules fit on a few pages in a pdf file and haven't changed much, if at all, in the past 60 years. So yes, I do know as much as you do. Competitive bodybuilding may seem to you like this mystical world that takes many years of jedi training to master but it's really not that hard to figure out, dumbass.
No you don't ! sorry kid you just don't especially considering you keep insisting the people who are experts are wrong and you are right. I just don't own magazines but a ton of books on the subject as well. And judging is extremely difficult to grasp which is exactly why 99.9% of the people on this board don't know how contests are judged and when explained they still can't grasp yourself included and many pros which I was ironically just reading about how Chris Cormier was dumbfounded he lost the symmetry round to Lee Priest despite Chris having an overwhelming advantage in ' symmetry '
And judging does take years and years of doing to master and funny you prove your ignorance on the subject even still with this take on things. Judges have to go to seminars for judging , they have to have years of amateur contests under their belt before being able to judge the pros and even then they don't get to judge the major shows like the Olympia and Arnold , judges are selected for being consistent with other judges and objective , any judge who forms a radically differing opinion from the others is removed from judging. you still don't know anything after being corrected for years on the Truce thread but hey it's not the message you don't like it's the messenger ;)
You didn't know what density is , you though balance & proportion are the same thing , you still can't grasp that Dorian is better conditioned , you never knew all rounds were physique rounds , you still think a guy who is missing classic diamond shape , low insertions , development and separation of the inner & outer heads of the gastrocmuenous and proportion in relation to his quads is not missing calves because they appear to be big LMMFAO
stupidity prevents you from being honest or objective , you wanna fit in so bad and try and act like you know what you're talking about and you look like a complete moron trying to talk intelligently on the subject and instead of honestly trying to learn your content with your own ignorance and more power to you , God must love stupid people because he made so many of you.
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No you don't ! sorry kid you just don't especially considering you keep insisting the people who are experts are wrong and you are right. I just don't own magazines but a ton of books on the subject as well. And judging is extremely difficult to grasp which is exactly why 99.9% of the people on this board don't know how contests are judged and when explained they still can't grasp yourself included and many pros which I was ironically just reading about how Chris Cormier was dumbfounded he lost the symmetry round to Lee Priest despite Chris having an overwhelming advantage in ' symmetry '
oh please! I know what the judging criteria is. I've read it before. You act like it's complicated when it's not. Perhaps the most difficult part of judging is not letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. The difference between you and me is that I apply the criteria objectively whereas you place greater importance in certain areas when it suits you.
And judging does take years and years of doing to master and funny you prove your ignorance on the subject even still with this take on things. Judges have to go to seminars for judging , they have to have years of amateur contests under their belt before being able to judge the pros and even then they don't get to judge the major shows like the Olympia and Arnold , judges are selected for being consistent with other judges and objective , any judge who forms a radically differing opinion from the others is removed from judging. you still don't know anything after being corrected for years on the Truce thread but hey it's not the message you don't like it's the messenger
I will let this comment stand on its own so others can have a laugh at your expense.
you make it sound like judges need IQs above 120 and must past rigorous tests to select only the cream of the crop ::)
anyone who has actually competed will tell you the judges (especially head judges) aren't exactly 'winners' in life.
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oh please! I know what the judging criteria is. I've read it before. You act like it's complicated when it's not. Perhaps the most difficult part of judging is not letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. The difference between you and me is that I apply the criteria objectively whereas you place greater importance in certain areas when it suits you.
I will let this comment stand on its own so others can have a laugh at your expense.
you make it sound like judges need IQs above 120 and must past rigorous tests to select only the cream of the crop ::)
anyone who has actually competed will tell you the judges (especially head judges) aren't exactly 'winners' in life.
oh please! I know what the judging criteria is. I've read it before. You act like it's complicated when it's not. Perhaps the most difficult part of judging is not letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. The difference between you and me is that I apply the criteria objectively whereas you place greater importance in certain areas when it suits you.
You read it before , after I fucking posted it ;) you're the idiot who thinks balance & proportion were the same thing and I was typing the same criteria to fluff up Dorian's advantages . The fucking difference between you and I is I know the fucking criteria and you don't , you don't know what it is and how to apply it. You can't be objective about something you don't even know.
I will let this comment stand on its own so others can have a laugh at your expense.
you make it sound like judges need IQs above 120 and must past rigorous tests to select only the cream of the crop ::)
anyone who has actually competed will tell you the judges (especially head judges) aren't exactly 'winners' in life.
As usual you didn't know how judges are picked and groomed and how long it takes to become one especially at the highest level. I don't make it sound like anything I'm merely explaining to you ( as usual ) something you didn't know. and oh they're not winners in life so they don't know how to assess a physique ::)
You read the criteria doesn't mean you comprehend it and we all know your comprehension problems ;D
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oh? And how am I a glutton for punishment? Would love to see some evidence to back up your words.
countdown before excuses 3... 2... 1...
Meltdown!
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^^^ and you just proved me right. You have shit for brains. ;)
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^^^ and you just proved me right. You have shit for brains. ;)
Meltdown x 2!
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I love how the nuthuggers love to claim that any version of dorian would beat ronnie, when nothing could be further from the truth..
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I love your hypocrisy especially when you're the dummy who tried to past this question off as proof Ronnie was the best ever , not comprehending it was posed as a question and not a declaration.
I got to give Seminole the benefit of the doubt. Yes, it is a question and not a statement. Nevertheless, it is a question where the author is daring us to point out a bodybuilder who was harder, drier and more balanced than 2001 ASC Ronnie, obviously implying that he believes that Ronnie ASC 2001 was the hardest, driest and most balanced ever. It is a question that can be interpreted as a statement.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I love how the nuthuggers love to claim that any version of dorian would beat ronnie, when nothing could be further from the truth..
You are a joke. No one takes your self proclaimed facts seriously.
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Yes, it is a question and not a statement. Nevertheless, it is a question where the author is daring us to point out a bodybuilder who was harder, drier and more balanced than 2001 ASC Ronnie, obviously implying that he believes that Ronnie ASC 2001 was the hardest, driest and most balanced ever
exactly. in the english language, it is a form of a rhetorical question (known as a rhetorical affirmation).
but ND has never had even an elementary grasp of the english language, so that fact that he missed this is no surprise.
add another one to ND's long list of intellectual blunders.. :-\
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exactly. in the english language, it is a form of a rhetorical question (known as a rhetorical affirmation).
but ND has never had even an elementary grasp of the english language, so that fact that he missed this is no surprise.
add another one to ND's long list of intellectual blunders.. :-\
But the fact that the author is asking a question and not making a statement means that he is open to the possibility that there might be a better physique, although he finds it improbable. So the quote cannot be taken as a statement from the author that Ronnie's ASC 2001 physique was the best ever, but only that the author very strongly believes so.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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yes it can because that is the whole point of the rhetorical question posed- that the answer is obvious (in this case, no.)
its no different than when someone says to you (after you ask something obvious)
"does a bear shit in the woods?"
obviously, the answer is yes. its not a question open for debate. thats the whole point.
this is the same exact form of rhetorical question that McGough is stating.
there is no way around this one nuthuggers.
sorry.
you may not agree with McGough, but by posing a rhetorical affirmation like this, it is clear that McGough believes Ronnie's 2001 AC physique to be the most impressive ever.
hell, I don't even agree with him - he looked better with a little more fullness at the 99 Olympia and less of a gut IMO.
but irregardless, that is what he feels.
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yes it can because that is the whole point of the rhetorical question posed- that the answer is obvious (in this case, no.)
its no different than when someone says to you (after you ask something obvious)
"does a bear shit in the woods?"
obviously, the answer is yes. its not a question open for debate. thats the whole point.
this is the same exact form of rhetorical question that McGough is stating.
there is no way around this one nuthuggers.
sorry.
you may not agree with McGough, but by posing a rhetorical affirmation like this, it is clear that McGough believes Ronnie's 2001 AC physique to be the most impressive ever.
hell, I don't even agree with him - he looked better with a little more fullness at the 99 Olympia and less of a gut IMO.
but irregardless, that is what he feels.
You are confusing apples with oranges. The question of whether bears shit in the woods is asking something that everyone knows to be true. It is a question irony. On the other side, the question of whether Ronnie's 2001 ASC physique is the best ever is an opinion and is open to debate. Yes, McGough feels that Ronnie's 2001 ASC physique is the best ever, but he is open to the possibility that there might be other physique that is above it, or he wouldn't have phrased the question, and would have simply stated it as a fact or state that he feels Ronnie's 2001 ASC is the best ever with period and not question mark. I don't expect you to agree. One of the things I have learned about you is that you never concede anything at all
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I got to give Seminole the benefit of the doubt. Yes, it is a question and not a statement. Nevertheless, it is a question where the author is daring us to point out a bodybuilder who was harder, drier and more balanced than 2001 ASC Ronnie, obviously implying that he believes that Ronnie ASC 2001 was the hardest, driest and most balanced ever. It is a question that can be interpreted as a statement.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
It's a question still and not a declaration regardless of the implication. Even if it were a declaration it doesn't make it true which is what these guys can't comprehend because of the very subjective nature of the topic.
And the question is has been answered , yes Dorian in 1993 and 1995. ;D
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It's a question still and not a declaration regardless of the implication. Even if it were a declaration it doesn't make it true which is what these guys can't comprehend because of the very subjective nature of the topic.
And the question is has been answered , yes Dorian in 1993 and 1995. ;D
Yes, the fact that it's phrased as a question indicates that although he believes Ronnie 2001 ASC is the best ever that there is the possibility that there is some bodybuilder who was better although he thinks it's extremely unlikely. I give Seminole the benefit of the doubt because the author is indeed saying that in his opinion Ronnie 2001 ASC is the greatest ever, but that it's something subjective and thus others might no agree.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It's a question still and not a declaration regardless of the implication. Even if it were a declaration it doesn't make it true which is what these guys can't comprehend because of the very subjective nature of the topic.
And the question is has been answered , yes Dorian in 1993 and 1995. ;D
This is an interesting point. How come we have 2000 pages of debate on another thread if you don't feel there are certain objective and universal BB truths though? Also, presumably the judges are deemed to "know" stuff rather than just think it, if you see what I mean. Like you wouldn't keep posting the rules if they meant nothing. Clearly this is a subjective debate but the very foundation of competitive bodybuilding, rightly or wrongly, is built on the idea that physiques can be rationally and objectively graded etc.
Anyway, on this basis I feel 2003 Ronnie would make Dorian look like an exceptionally well conditioned little guy next to his softer but much bigger and more detailed (lets yee not forget the glutes of Coleman) 287lb adversary. Frankly weight means absolutely dick, and I don't care if a black and white studio shot or kitchen shot with overhead lighting or quotes from Dorians photographer mate (you say above these individual opinions mean dick anyway) disagree with me then it doesn't matter cos my opinion, like yours, means nothing either in the grand scheme of things. But for what it's worth I hypothesise that the judges of the present day would have a hard time separating these two great Mr Os. No big guys were as flawless as peak Ronnie in peak Dorian's day. Nasser came close to Dorian at one point but had no back, neither did Dillet. Flex was smaller, Shawn was smaller etc. Ronnie had none of these weaknesses. Blandly touting the importance of "balance and proportion" etc isn't the same as knowing what the judges would think, because clearly they thought Ronnie had great balance and proportion 8 years in a row.
Anyway as you say none of this means anything, but it's sure worth having your say.
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Congrats you know how to use Google's search feature I know exactly what contest it was. And you didn't specify if it had to be an IFBB contest and you prove to you wrong again that the criteria even in the IFBB hasn't always existed go see how the very first Olympia were judged and it isn't the same as it was in 1994 ;) so your point that Shawn wasn't judged to the original standards that have always been is flat-out wrong and ignorant
You just did it again that's where Dorian's quads lacked separation like Franco's did in 1981 that's comparing his quads to Francos and it's absurd and flat-out wrong. they all had better rectus femoris separation than Dorian , go Google the rest of the muscles of the ' thigh ' watch the 1991 Mr Olympia where Lenda Murray comments on Dorian saying ( and I'm paraphrasing here ) " He looks like Haney with legs " implying the obvious Lee had NO legs so any advantage in rectus femoris separation is rendered moot by inferior everything else.
Here is an IFBB judge commenting on Dorian's torn muscle
Added Rockell: Dorian had a SLIGHT injury but as far as I'm concerned , it had NO bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. Paul's major deficiencies were in his back : not enough muscularity for his large frame. also basic stamina throughout was in question ; during call-outs , he was breathing heavy and bending over.
the distended abdomen ( not stomach ;) ) wasn't visible when held tight in poses and whenever the overall package is so dominating one bicep shorter than another makes no overall impact. It may to you and point taken but we deal with what happened and not what should have happened. Dorian's torn bicep would hurt one pose only and that's the front double biceps pose
And his structure is NOT the same as Dexter , Dexter has much wider clavicles and back width big difference there and Dexter's structure allows him to carry more size without ill effect to his structure.
When you know the history of the sport you don't need Google search,but maybe your experience tells you otherwise...And as I told you before,the actual procedure of judging the contests and the qualities that the winner's physique should consist of are 2 different things.As the first has been changed many times,the latter remained the same for a long time.
Dorian's torn biceps was visible not only in the FDB,but also in some side poses,when he exposed his left arm(rarely,but he did it!),as well as in the BDB pose as a lack of biceps peak.And his distended stomach(or abdomen if you prefer) was visible when he was relaxed and in his transitions,otherwise we would't talk about it!
What I said about Dexter is that his bone structure is similar to Shawn's not the shape of his muscles!Overall Dexter has his own flaws:if Shawn has lagging calves,Dexter has zero calves,he has high lats,his right upperarm is much bigger than his left one,and he has a distended abdomen,so his more size has an ill effect to his structure after all.
The pics below show that Dorian's torn biceps was naticable not only in the FDB,but also in other poses...
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I love how internet warriors such as Hulkster and Tarantula, who never saw Dorian in person, sit here and pick apart Dorian based on pics and somehow disbelieve what judges, fellow competitors, and industry experts--who actually saw Dorian--say.
Watch this video and tell me that Dorian's bicep should have kept him from winning...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067#
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I love how internet warriors such as Hulkster and Tarantula, who never saw Dorian in person, sit here and pick apart Dorian based on pics and somehow disbelieve what judges, fellow competitors, and industry experts--who actually saw Dorian--say.
Watch this video and tell me that Dorian's bicep should have kept him from winning...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067#
dorian's right bicep is better than levrone's left bicep in this pic.!!.. i remember i made a thread long time ago about this!!..
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here it's!!..
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=256786.0
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peak is genetic and if you dont have it, it doesnt matter.
shawn and kev had no peaks.
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peak is genetic and if you dont have it, it doesnt matter.
shawn and kev had no peaks.
yes and dorian too had no peaks especially in his left bicep (before being torn)!!..
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peak is genetic and if you dont have it, it doesnt matter.
shawn and kev had no peaks.
On the money.
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peak is genetic and if you dont have it, it doesnt matter.
oh right, but calves aren't? It's okay for the nuthuggers to penalize Ronnie for his genetic weakness but we're suppose to just ignore Dorian's genetic flaws? You Dorian fans crack me up! :D
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When you know the history of the sport you don't need Google search,but maybe your experience tells you otherwise...And as I told you before,the actual procedure of judging the contests and the qualities that the winner's physique should consist of are 2 different things.As the first has been changed many times,the latter remained the same for a long time.
Dorian's torn biceps was visible not only in the FDB,but also in some side poses,when he exposed his left arm(rarely,but he did it!),as well as in the BDB pose as a lack of biceps peak.And his distended stomach(or abdomen if you prefer) was visible when he was relaxed and in his transitions,otherwise we would't talk about it!
What I said about Dexter is that his bone structure is similar to Shawn's not the shape of his muscles!Overall Dexter has his own flaws:if Shawn has lagging calves,Dexter has zero calves,he has high lats,his right upperarm is much bigger than his left one,and he has a distended abdomen,so his more size has an ill effect to his structure after all.
The pics below show that Dorian's torn biceps was naticable not only in the FDB,but also in other poses...
When you know the history of the sport you don't need Google search,but maybe your experience tells you otherwise...And as I told you before,the actual procedure of judging the contests and the qualities that the winner's physique should consist of are 2 different things.As the first has been changed many times,the latter remained the same for a long time.
Which is exactly my point you don't know the history of the sport. Again the first Olympias were NOT judged the same as the one in 1994 and the criteria has changed along with the physiques you don't know this and you don't know how contests are judged
Dorian's torn biceps was visible not only in the FDB,but also in some side poses,when he exposed his left arm(rarely,but he did it!),as well as in the BDB pose as a lack of biceps peak.And his distended stomach(or abdomen if you prefer) was visible when he was relaxed and in his transitions,otherwise we would't talk about it!
I'm talking about mandatory poses not relaxed shots or transition shots and the only pose his torn bicep hurts is the front double biceps pose when he's fully flexed
What I said about Dexter is that his bone structure is similar to Shawn's not the shape of his muscles!Overall Dexter has his own flaws:if Shawn has lagging calves,Dexter has zero calves,he has high lats,his right upperarm is much bigger than his left one,and he has a distended abdomen,so his more size has an ill effect to his structure after all.
I know what you typed and you're still wrong
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exactly. in the english language, it is a form of a rhetorical question (known as a rhetorical affirmation).
but ND has never had even an elementary grasp of the english language, so that fact that he missed this is no surprise.
add another one to ND's long list of intellectual blunders.. :-\
Notice I never once called you smart and never will ;)
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This is an interesting point. How come we have 2000 pages of debate on another thread if you don't feel there are certain objective and universal BB truths though? Also, presumably the judges are deemed to "know" stuff rather than just think it, if you see what I mean. Like you wouldn't keep posting the rules if they meant nothing. Clearly this is a subjective debate but the very foundation of competitive bodybuilding, rightly or wrongly, is built on the idea that physiques can be rationally and objectively graded etc.
Anyway, on this basis I feel 2003 Ronnie would make Dorian look like an exceptionally well conditioned little guy next to his softer but much bigger and more detailed (lets yee not forget the glutes of Coleman) 287lb adversary. Frankly weight means absolutely dick, and I don't care if a black and white studio shot or kitchen shot with overhead lighting or quotes from Dorians photographer mate (you say above these individual opinions mean dick anyway) disagree with me then it doesn't matter cos my opinion, like yours, means nothing either in the grand scheme of things. But for what it's worth I hypothesise that the judges of the present day would have a hard time separating these two great Mr Os. No big guys were as flawless as peak Ronnie in peak Dorian's day. Nasser came close to Dorian at one point but had no back, neither did Dillet. Flex was smaller, Shawn was smaller etc. Ronnie had none of these weaknesses. Blandly touting the importance of "balance and proportion" etc isn't the same as knowing what the judges would think, because clearly they thought Ronnie had great balance and proportion 8 years in a row.
Anyway as you say none of this means anything, but it's sure worth having your say.
This is an interesting point. How come we have 2000 pages of debate on another thread if you don't feel there are certain objective and universal BB truths though? Also, presumably the judges are deemed to "know" stuff rather than just think it, if you see what I mean. Like you wouldn't keep posting the rules if they meant nothing. Clearly this is a subjective debate but the very foundation of competitive bodybuilding, rightly or wrongly, is built on the idea that physiques can be rationally and objectively graded etc.
There are certain objective and universal truths in bodybuilding , either a guy is in shape or he's not , either a guys calves match his quads or they don't. the subjective part is comparing guys from one era to another
Anyway, on this basis I feel 2003 Ronnie would make Dorian look like an exceptionally well conditioned little guy next to his softer but much bigger and more detailed (lets yee not forget the glutes of Coleman) 287lb adversary. Frankly weight means absolutely dick, and I don't care if a black and white studio shot or kitchen shot with overhead lighting or quotes from Dorians photographer mate (you say above these individual opinions mean dick anyway) disagree with me then it doesn't matter cos my opinion, like yours, means nothing either in the grand scheme of things. But for what it's worth I hypothesise that the judges of the present day would have a hard time separating these two great Mr Os. No big guys were as flawless as peak Ronnie in peak Dorian's day. Nasser came close to Dorian at one point but had no back, neither did Dillet. Flex was smaller, Shawn was smaller etc. Ronnie had none of these weaknesses. Blandly touting the importance of "balance and proportion" etc isn't the same as knowing what the judges would think, because clearly they thought Ronnie had great balance and proportion 8 years in a row.
Anyway as you say none of this means anything, but it's sure worth having your say.
No one made Dorian look small and Ronnie wouldn't either considered these points
Quote from John Balik, commenting on the 96 O:
"Dorian Yates looked absolutely fantastic. He was so freaking dense and so freaking ripped and dry, that he actually looked bigger than all the 280 lbs competitors, even though he tipped the scales at 255 lbs."
Quote from Lou Ferrigno, after the 1993 O:
"Dorian won. He is as big as I am, but with a better overall frame. I knew I was competing for second place the minute he stepped onstage."
ronman Magazine Jan 1994
I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab
Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.
No one made Dorian look small and we're talking about Dorian on the stage and not the one at 269 pounds who I feel would beat Ronnie. Another point to ponder
Shawn ray Ronnie’s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right like Dexter and Jay. His side triceps shot is not one of the best in the business and he got exposed because of it
Shawn Ray in certain poses you would never know Dexter was giving up 70lbs to Ronnie
A 296 pound Ronnie couldn't dwarf a 225 pound Dexter he's most certainly not going to make any version of Dorian look ' little '
I agree it would be close and in events like where contests are close usually the better conditioned buy wins and Dorian would have a clear advantage here and the judges may have thought that Ronnie's balance & proportion was great for eights years but that's all relevant to who you're competing with. If everyone has high calves than high calves aren't a flaw
Ronnie never faced anyone like Dorian Yates which brings me to McGough's point
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
I think Dorian would indeed my a 287 pound Ronnie look soft and unbalanced and would make a 247 pound one looks small and stringy which leads me back to what I've always maintained it would be close but Dorian has advantages in depending on the year muscular bulk , conditioning and balance and these would push him over the edge.
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Brutal ownage of Ray by Yates in 1996 :o
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Dorian's conditioning was spot on during 96. IMO he wasn't as full as 95, but his waist looked small and he was very, very dry. ND, what was his weight in 96 compared to 95?
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Dorian's conditioning was spot on during 96. IMO he wasn't as full as 95, but his waist looked small and he was very, very dry. ND, what was his weight in 96 compared to 95?
Depending on the source he was 260 in 95 and 255 in 1996
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For some reason I always thought we was heavier in 96, but it makes sense that he was lighter. I know they've been posted before, but here are the 96 vids.
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This video of DY's 96 posing routine is super clear and much much better than the other shitty quality clip that someone posted on Youtube a while back. How can anyone argue who deserved to win after watching this?
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I love how internet warriors such as Hulkster and Tarantula, who never saw Dorian in person, sit here and pick apart Dorian based on pics and somehow disbelieve what judges, fellow competitors, and industry experts--who actually saw Dorian--say.
Watch this video and tell me that Dorian's bicep should have kept him from winning...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067#
How did you figured out that I've never seen Dorian in person,did I tell you?FYI I've seen him!I've never been to the Olympia,but I've been to some European Grand Prix competitions and at various times I've seen also Ronnie,Cutler and Dexter,the last two before winning the Olympia,and many other pro's!
In 95 Dorian was in an excellent condition-he was hard,dry,his abdomen was tighter than the year prior and he had better muscle separation and more details.I'm objective and I can say than he deserved the win.But 94 and 97 were different stories and everyone who is not in a blind love with Dorian can see that.
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This video of DY's 96 posing routine is super clear and much much better than the other shitty quality clip that someone posted on Youtube a while back. How can anyone argue who deserved to win after watching this?
Saw that contest live. From the front, Nasser looked awesome. When they turned around, it wasn't even close.
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Which is exactly my point you don't know the history of the sport. Again the first Olympias were NOT judged the same as the one in 1994 and the criteria has changed along with the physiques you don't know this and you don't know how contests are judged
A quote from an open letter from the IFBB Proffesional Division to All IFBB proffesional members(re:symmetry and natural aesthetics):"With a mandate from president Ben Weider,the Proffessional Committee and a team of experts advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development,such as size,shape,density,separation and definition,in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.
...These characteristics have been the HALLMARK OF A BODYBUILDERS PHYSIQUE FOR DECADES,and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.
DISTENDED ABDOMENS AND DISTORTED MUSCLES NEGATIVELY IMPACT UPON SYMMETRY AND NATURAL AESTHETICS AND,THEREFORE,DETRACT FROM THE OVERALL PHYSIQUE.ATHLETES AND JUDGES ARE ADVISED THAT MUSCLE SIZE AT THE EXPENCE OF SYMMETRY AND NATURAL AESTHETICS WILL NOT BE ASSESSED FAVOURABLY."
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A quote from an open letter from the IFBB Proffesional Division to All IFBB proffesional members(re:symmetry and natural aesthetics):"With a mandate from president Ben Weider,the Proffessional Committee and a team of experts advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development,such as size,shape,density,separation and definition,in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.
...These characteristics have been the HALLMARK OF A BODYBUILDERS PHYSIQUE FOR DECADES,and it is the intent of this Advisory Notice to reaffirm their significance.
DISTENDED ABDOMENS AND DISTORTED MUSCLES NEGATIVELY IMPACT UPON SYMMETRY AND NATURAL AESTHETICS AND,THEREFORE,DETRACT FROM THE OVERALL PHYSIQUE.ATHLETES AND JUDGES ARE ADVISED THAT MUSCLE SIZE AT THE EXPENCE OF SYMMETRY AND NATURAL AESTHETICS WILL NOT BE ASSESSED FAVOURABLY."
wow I never seen that before ::) do you know when that edict was sent out? ;) and again the first Olympia were NOT judged the same as it was in 1994 I can tell you how they were judged but seeing you know please share with me the difference
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:o
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Depending on the source he was 260 in 95 and 255 in 1996
according to nasser:
"..Also, Dorian said he was 255LBS for the 1995 Olympia and that for the 96’ Olympia he had put on 2LBS. How is it possible to gain 2LBS more in size but look smaller at 257LBS than 255? When did he step on the scale – after breakfast, before going to the restroom?.."....
;D
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according to nasser:
"..Also, Dorian said he was 255LBS for the 1995 Olympia and that for the 96’ Olympia he had put on 2LBS. How is it possible to gain 2LBS more in size but look smaller at 257LBS than 255? When did he step on the scale – after breakfast, before going to the restroom?.."....
;D
But he looked better than Nasser. How can one be about 280 at his height and have limited back detail..
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But he looked better than Nasser. How can one be about 280 at his height and have limited back detail..
from the rear only.. from the front and the side dorian was nasser's bitch ;D
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from the rear only.. from the front and the side dorian was nasser's bitch ;D
The back is a very big body part, to neglect that shows a lack of mind-muscle concentration, and not want to be complete, a la Paul Dillett.
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The back is a very big body part, to neglect that shows a lack of mind-muscle concentration, and not want to be complete, a la Paul Dillett.
biceps, shoulders, abs, quads, chest are all very important parts and many guys were better than dorian in them!..
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biceps, shoulders, abs, quads, chest are all very important parts and many guys were better than dorian in them!..
Hey Sheriff we need pics inside the roof gym, I cant see a thing because your back is blocking the door. 8)
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Hey Sheriff we need pics inside the roof gym, I cant see a thing because your back is blocking the door. 8)
if i move a little bit you can see your grandpa doing squats inside ;D
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Shawn was under contract with Weider for 17yrs, from around the late 80's or early 90's.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson57.htm
I'm pretty sure he was under contract in 94 (pretty downright positive actually) when he was complaining about Dorian in print, in magazines and anywhere else where someone would listen to him.
Was wondering. If people like Sean were under contract with Weider for that long, do they receive some sort of retirement package or benefits.
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according to nasser:
"..Also, Dorian said he was 255LBS for the 1995 Olympia and that for the 96’ Olympia he had put on 2LBS. How is it possible to gain 2LBS more in size but look smaller at 257LBS than 255? When did he step on the scale – after breakfast, before going to the restroom?.."....
;D
According to Nasser , everyone used snythol but he never did ::)
According to Lee Haney
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biceps, shoulders, abs, quads, chest are all very important parts and many guys were better than dorian in them!..
NOT how it works on paper many should have better poses than him and they didn't
Ronnie has a super small waist & hips and a great back on paper he should have a better front latspread and he doesn't , same with the side triceps pose.
stop trying to accumulate parts because the sum doesn't always add up to the greatest whole
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Ronnie has a super small waist & hips and a great back on paper he should have a better front latspread and he doesn't
yes he does, at least in top shape in 1999: thats the point. no matter what year of dorian you care to compare it to:
::)
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stop trying to accumulate parts because the sum doesn't always add up to the greatest whole
but it does: thats why he won 8 Mr. O's and an AC win, neither feats of which dorian could have ever duplicated..
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but it does: thats why he won 8 Mr. O's and an AC win, neither feats of which dorian could have ever duplicated..
all that matters is that yates beat ronnie during the years DORIAN competed.
also, the arnold wasnt as quite as big back then as it is now, but besides, you can win the arnold 10 times and never an olympia and you will not be recognized as all time great.
all that matters is that yates beat better bbers in the prime than ronnie ever faced. - thats the biggest difference. ronnie was battling gunter and gustavo (AND LOSINGIN THE CHALLENGE ROUND), while yates faced a prime, levrone, ray, wheeler, nasser, etc.
example: randy couture has only 18 wins as a pro fighter. travis fulton (who?, exactly) has almost 200 wins. most of randy's wins are against other top fighters, where as travis fulton wins are mostly against people like yourself.
the total is irrelevant - its who its against that matters.
owned.
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but it does: thats why he won 8 Mr. O's and an AC win, neither feats of which dorian could have ever duplicated..
Against who? ho-hum competition? Dorian never place below second in ANY pro contest , was only second twice in his whole pro career and just won whatever he entered Ronnie never did that , Dorian dominated in a way Ronnie never did against much better competition
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yes he does, at least in top shape in 1999: thats the point. no matter what year of dorian you care to compare it to:
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Sorry Dorian owns the front latspread Dorian is massive everywhere
Bigger , harder , drier and higher quality , better lat-sweep and you can see Dorian's lats Ronnie's are barely wider than Flex & Chris
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=359666;image)
Ronnie usually gets a bad rap for lacking aesthetics, but this pic proves otherwise.
Also, I wouldn't quite classify or compare Ronnie's opposition as being ho hum or with the likes of Travis Fulton. ::)
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282 pounds tramples ANY version of Ronnie you can come up with ;) in fact anyone else too
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282 pounds tramples ANY version of Ronnie you can come up with ;) in fact anyone else too
What year was this ND?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=359666;image)
Ronnie usually gets a bad rap for lacking aesthetics, but this pic proves otherwise.
Also, I wouldn't quite classify or compare Ronnie's opposition as being ho hum or with the likes of Travis Fulton. ::)
Who did Ronnie beat? A past-prime Flex? and just barely? Jay Cutler who beat him many times Gunther who beat him? Dexter who beat him ALL while he was Mr Olympia
Ronnie did compete in the most highly competitive era in bodybuilding and he was a back packer and when Yates retired, he had trouble with a lot of guys that never came close to Yates , Kevin in 2002 , Flex in 98 , Jay in 2001 , and these were just the close calls
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What year was this ND?
1995 pre-contest
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Who did Ronnie beat? A past-prime Flex? and just barely? Jay Cutler who beat him many times Gunther who beat him? Dexter who beat him ALL while he was Mr Olympia
So essentially, you're saying for a period of 8 years, elite bodybuilding was dead and Ronnie just got lucky and was in the right place at the right time.
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1995 pre-contest
In your library do you have 1993 vs 1995 comparisons? Just interested to see the difference.
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In your library do you have 1993 vs 1995 comparisons? Just interested to see the difference.
most on getbig believe that pic was the year of the photoshop, and its not hard to see why.
but that is another story.
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many believe that pic was the year of the photoshop, but that is another story..
Thanks Hulk, His thighs and calves looked better in 1993 but his upper body in 1995 blows away 1993, my thoughts.
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So essentially, you're saying for a period of 8 years, elite bodybuilding was dead and Ronnie just got lucky and was in the right place at the right time.
ND still can't come to grips with the fact that ronnie 99 was better than dorian ever was..
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So essentially, you're saying for a period of 8 years, elite bodybuilding was dead and Ronnie just got lucky and was in the right place at the right time.
Don't presume to speak for me , what I'm saying is a fact... Ronnie didn't face the level of competition Dorian did , he faced the same guys but they were in fact closer to their primes when they faced Dorian and couldn't touch him.
Ronnie still faced some very good guys but just not at their primes not his fault but facts are facts
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Thanks Hulk, His thighs and calves looked better in 1993 but his upper body in 1995 blows away 1993, my thoughts.
check this thread i made long ago!..
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=233235.0
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most on getbig believe that pic was the year of the photoshop, and its not hard to see why.
but that is another story.
Hahahahaha says the guy who posts more photoshopped pics than anyone
and most would be wrong like you , the photographer of said picture already handed you your ass when you cried it was ' morphed ' how soon we forget
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check this thread i made long ago!..
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=233235.0
Nice as before upper body was better 1995 and Legs better in 1993. Thanks
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of course the photographer of the pic said it wasn't morphed.
what the fuck do you think he was going to say? duh.. ::)
fact is, the waistline on that pic of dorian ( while at a high bodyweight) and the resulting quad sweep tells the whole story.
but you believe what you want.
you have an agenda to uphold. :-X
I still find it funny how I get singled out saying the pic was morphed, when everyone on the board except you and your three bitches was saying the same thing. its that obvious.
but, thats another thread. and its already been done.
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LOL
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as far as dorian 93 vs 95 goes, well, the torn bi really has an effect on his 95 look.
he was better in 93.
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ND still can't come to grips with the fact that ronnie 99 was better than dorian ever was..
Hulkster can't come to grips with the fact that 99 isn't his best and never better than Dorian
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of course the photographer of the pic said it wasn't morphed.
what the fuck do you think he was going to say? duh.. ::)
fact is, the waistline on that pic of dorian ( while at a high bodyweight) tells the whole story.
but you believe what you want.
you have an agenda to uphold. :-X
I still find it funny how I get singled out saying the pic was morphed, when everyone on the board except you and your three bitches was saying the same thing. its that obvious.
but, thats another thread. and its already been done.
Hahahaha back to calling him liar huh? owned
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as far as dorian 93 vs 95 goes, well, the torn bi really has an effect on his 95 look.
he was better in 93.
yeah and 99 was Ronnie's best hahahahaha you know what ;)
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Hahahaha back to calling him liar huh? owned
back to not seeing the obvious huh? owned.
:P
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back to not seeing the obvious huh? owned.
:P
Funny you can't see the ' obvious ' when you're posting them ;)
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282 pounds tramples ANY version of Ronnie you can come up with in fact anyone else too
no
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie12.jpg)
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and that is a real pic.
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this just goes to show that ND doesn't know more about competitive bodybuilding. It baffles me how he can say a lesser conditioned, less proportional, and less symmetrical Dorian is better.
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no
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie12.jpg)
No what? a soft imbalanced Ronnie? ??? ??? ??? this is what you're offering? his calves are missing ;) and you can barely see his lats
NOT even close
Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=359692;image)
no separations or striations, arms too small for his torso and a torn bicep, yet the best physique ever according to ND ::)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=359692;image)
no separations or striations, arms too small for his torso and a torn bicep, yet the best physique ever according to ND ::)
No none you can tell all that from a pic , great eyes Mr Judge HHAHAHAHAH especially considering pics mean nothing but you know better
I never once said it was the best physique ever liar , according to how contests are judged he would beat anyone before or since
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Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded.
this quote means dick without visual evidence. Let's see these pics of him at 280 lbs shredded. By the way, Chris Lund who is probably an even more respected photographer in the bodybuilding industry said Ronnie is better. ;)
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
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this just goes to show that ND doesn't know more about competitive bodybuilding. It baffles me how he can say a lesser conditioned, less proportional, and less symmetrical Dorian is better.
You know what again little man?
go read a book or two maybe you'll understand the sport better because you don't like the messenger you're wrongly claiming the message if wrong
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You know what again little man?
go read a book or two maybe you'll understand the sport better because you don't like the messenger you're wrongly claiming the message if wrong
rather than arguing like a little kid, why don't you provide reasons to support your claim? All you do is make retarded comments and argue by saying everyone else is wrong and telling them you know more about bodybuilding.
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this quote means dick without visual evidence. Let's see these pics of him at 280 lbs shredded. By the way, Chris Lund who is probably an even more respected photographer in the bodybuilding industry said Ronnie is better. ;)
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
That quotes not from a person whose seen both live and in person ::) no he made it up and the picture is fake
of hearsay huh? you were bitching about things standing up in court? hearsay doesn't ;) Arnold Schwarzennegger has said the best physique he ever seen was Flex 1993 does Lund trump Arnold? ;) the old subjective quotes problem , lets say Lund did say it does it make it true?
As Weider photographer Bill Dobbins so succinctly put it as Yates strutted his stuff : " I have never seen such muscle development on a human being.
works both ways kid I don't fear subjective quotes and take them for what they are
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rather than arguing like a little kid, why don't you provide reasons to support your claim? All you do is make retarded comments and argue by saying everyone else is wrong and telling them you know more about bodybuilding.
Coming from the troll who runs from posts and resorts to ad hominem attacks again come back when your knowledge increases , honestly read a few books on the subject maybe you'll be able to run with the big dogs ;)
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie12.jpg)
no balance & proportion or density, calves too small for his quads and two missing calves, yet the best physique ever according to Neo ::)
That's NOT verbatim by the way ;)
( sea what I did ) ;D
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of hearsay huh? you were bitching about things standing up in court? hearsay doesn't Arnold Schwarzennegger has said the best physique he ever seen was Flex 1993 does Lund trump Arnold? the old subjective quotes problem , lets say Lund did say it does it make it true?
ahhh yes, here come the excuses. lol
by the way, here's what Flex Wheeler has to say ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
As Weider photographer Bill Dobbins so succinctly put it as Yates strutted his stuff : " I have never seen such muscle development on a human being.
again, your quote means dick. Ronnie surpassed Dorian's level of muscle development.
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
there's also a quote from Flex magazine saying it's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Ronnie's level of mass in this lifetime or the next.
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ahhh yes, here come the excuses. lol
again, your quote means dick. Ronnie surpassed Dorian's level of muscle development.
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
there's also a quote from Flex magazine saying it's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Ronnie's level of mass in this lifetime or the next.
No excuses , again let's say he did say it is it truth? NO it's an opinion on a very subjective topic , Again Neo Arnold said the best physique EVER was Flex 1993 ASC Who is right? answer the question
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
there's also a quote from Flex magazine saying it's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Ronnie's level of mass in this lifetime or the next.
I love how he says he only won on sheer mass I'm sure you agree with that to , and sure Ronnie was very massive at that show and in good condition , that means what? though?
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ahhh yes, here come the excuses. lol
by the way, here's what Flex Wheeler has to say ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
again, your quote means dick. Ronnie surpassed Dorian's level of muscle development.
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
there's also a quote from Flex magazine saying it's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Ronnie's level of mass in this lifetime or the next.
by the way, here's what Flex Wheeler has to say ;)
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
He's technically right seeing Dorian never competed onstage at 282 pounds so Ronnie was the biggest
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Boom! Headshot! ;D
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004
“It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”
Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004
"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and dense, they don't look real."
IFBB Official Kenny Kassel - Flex, Janurary 2004
"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet."
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Flex Magazine Jan 1999
Ernie Taylor
" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "
;D
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Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.
[ A ] I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are talking about right now are blind. You have to understand. Look, Ronnie Coleman is probably the most muscular bodybuilder ever. If he could have drawn a better picture of himself on the stage he would have had more appeal, but he did not.
Samir bannout ;)
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LOL
ND is saying ronnie has no density when he blows dorian away in this area and all other areas:
look:
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what's that Mr. Weider? Ronnie has the best physique ever you say? ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
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what's that Mr. Weider, co-founder of the IFBB? Ronnie has the best physique ever you say? ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Thanks for playing little man ;)
Checkmate
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat
Ronnie concedes Dorian is superior thanks for playing guys it's been fun ! ;) ;D
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it's written in the holy grail of bodybuilding that Ronnie is the best ever.
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
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it's written in the holy grail of bodybuilding that Ronnie is the best ever.
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Ronnie pwns fan-boys ;)
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat
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Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win"
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rcinter.htm
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Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
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Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win"
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rcinter.htm
oppssss omitted a part ;)
I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.
Again for a third time he admits he couldn't beat Dorian lol epic backfire geee I wonder why you left that part out? kid ? and I though Ronnie was an idiot? according to you? hahahahahaha now he's not epic hypocrisy and backpeddling
thanks for playing little man ;)
Ronnie admits 3 times now he couldn't beat Dorian
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Again for a third time he admits he couldn't beat Dorian lol epic backfire geee I wonder why you left that part out? kid ? and I though Ronnie was an idiot? according to you? hahahahahaha now he's not epic hypocrisy and backpeddling
wtf are you babbling about? Ronnie said he would win in a contest against all of them at their prime during his Olympia reign.
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wtf are you babbling about? Ronnie said he would win in a contest against all of them at their prime during his Olympia reign.
You left out a very important part of that quote because it contradicts your bullshit NO WHERE did he say I would beat them he eluded to it but never committed to it , in fact he says specifically he couldn't beat them in their day
when he did commit to an answered what did he say small fry?
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat
Thanks for playing , Your owned by your own hero , Ronnie says in black & white he could NOT beat Dorian , no eluded , no hinting , no guesses. Ronnie trumps any quote you can post on the subject.
Run along little man your defeated as usual. ;)
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You left out a very important part of that quote because it contradicts your bullshit NO WHERE did he say I would beat them he eluded to it but never committed to it , in fact he says specifically he couldn't beat them in their day
<yawn> it was a rhetorical question
"Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win"
there is no other way to interpret this. Him commenting about the other champs' heydays was a show of respect so he wouldn't appear cocky.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=359692;image)
no separations or striations, arms too small for his torso and a torn bicep, yet the best physique ever according to ND ::)
this is 3-6 weeks before a contest and show me the torn bicep. in this shot you dont see the tear and that is why the judges said it didnt matter.
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this is 3-6 weeks before a contest and show me the torn bicep. in this shot you dont see the tear and that is why the judges said it didnt matter.
who gives a shit if the pic was taken 3 wks or 10 wks before a contest? Pick a version of Dorian and stick with it. You nuthuggers like to mix and match different years and contest vs pre-contest (e.g. the balance of 6 wks pre-contest 93 + the conditioning of 95 contest + the size of 3-6 wks pre-contest 95). No such version ever existed. So pick one and stick with it.
p.s. his right arm is noticeably smaller than his left ;)
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Why do people try and speak for Ronnie? Why do people pretend they know more about Ronnie Coleman than Ronnie himself does?? ???
Ronnie admitted Dorian would beat him, THREE times now. I don't even bother looking at the bullshit pics Trollster posts. I saw them both compete as reigning Mr O's. Dorian wins, simple. It's not even much of a question once you actually see them, it's clear as daylight. I wish internet fanboys who doesn't have a clue about body building would stop trying to speak with authority. You have none.
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LOL
ND is saying ronnie has no density when he blows dorian away in this area and all other areas:
look:
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Ronnies right leg is alot bigger than the left. Same with his arms.
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Why do people try and speak for Ronnie? Why do people pretend they know more about Ronnie Coleman than Ronnie himself does?? ???
Ronnie admitted Dorian would beat him, THREE times now. I don't even bother looking at the bullshit pics Trollster posts. I saw them both compete as reigning Mr O's. Dorian wins, simple. It's not even much of a question once you actually see them, it's clear as daylight. I wish internet fanboys who doesn't have a clue about body building would stop trying to speak with authority. You have none.
Well said James28.
I can't help but think of the Coleman nut-huggers whenever I hear this song:
;D
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I don't even bother looking at the bullshit pics Trollster posts.
of course you don't
you avoid everything that proves your argument is wrong.
dorian would not beat ronnie at his peak.
all the pics show this.
so you avoid them.
its simple. sad, but simple.
::)
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who gives a shit if the pic was taken 3 wks or 10 wks before a contest? Pick a version of Dorian and stick with it. You nuthuggers like to mix and match different years and contest vs pre-contest (e.g. the balance of 6 wks pre-contest 93 + the conditioning of 95 contest + the size of 3-6 wks pre-contest 95). No such version ever existed. So pick one and stick with it.
p.s. his right arm is noticeably smaller than his left ;)
you owned yourself jackass, its the left bicep that is the torn side.
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of course you don't
you avoid everything that proves your argument is wrong.
dorian would not beat ronnie at his peak.
all the pics show this.
so you avoid them.
its simple. sad, but simple.
::)
Way to miss a fucking point and only picking one part of my post and taking it out of context troll. I didn't have to look at pics since I know what they look on stage. How do I know? Oh wait, because I'm a REAL body building fan that spend literally 1000's upon 1000's flying to America year after year to watching the guys battle it out. You're an internet troll that pours over pictures that capture a moment in time and a 2D certain angle. Had you ever seen Dorian LIVE your tune would change quickly. Then again, your open sexual advances to Ronnie's rear posture is well documented therefore your sexual lust might still blind you.
I don't understand why you keep trolling even after your object of desire admitted himself Dorian would paste him. I take it you know Ronnie's body better than Ronnie himself . Oh wait, come to think of it .....
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Ronnie admits 3 times now he couldn't beat Dorian
That's just Ronnie being humble. You're not supposed to take it literally.
Bodybuilding is a subjective sport, but when one competitor is so far ahead of another, it becomes OBJECTIVE.
I know u have love for Yates, but Ronnie is from another planet compared to Yates.
These 30 page threads are growing tiresome. Anyone with eyes can clearly see Ronnie is the greatest of all time.
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That's just Ronnie being humble. You're not supposed to take it literally.
Bodybuilding is a subjective sport, but when one competitor is so far ahead of another, it becomes OBJECTIVE.
I know u have love for Yates, but Ronnie is from another planet compared to Yates.
These 30 page threads are growing tiresome. Anyone with eyes can clearly see Ronnie is the greatest of all time.
I agree it's subjective. I can only respect your contrary opinion to mine if you've seen them both competing live at least three different showings. I cannot take serious or respect strongly worded diatribes from internet fans whose experiences of going to contests begin and end with buying the Flex contest coverage.
Either that or at least put forward a razor-sharp, well thought out argument documented with proof on why you think a certain bodybuilder is better than another. Also put forward your experience with the sport and your knowledge of the judging process. Posting a selective picture of your favourite bodybuilder and a terrible picture of your nemesis bodybuilder worded with 'OMG .Open your fucking eyes!!!!!!!' aren't quite going to cut it either and would just get you ridiculed.
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of course you don't
you avoid everything that proves your argument is wrong.
dorian would not beat ronnie at his peak.
all the pics show this.
so you avoid them.
its simple. sad, but simple.
::)
Typical Hulkster logic here; nevermind the fact the James28 saw them both in person and can therefore offer more insight than any of us. Rather, Hulkster's biased view of the same 5-6 shitty Dorian pics that he always posts is much, much more reliable. Spare us all jackass ::)
There are judges, competitors, and others who claim that Ronnie would win, and others claim Dorian would win. Bottom line is that it would be close.
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you seem to forget that others have also seen them both in person and say that ronnie is far above.
and their opinion is corroborated by the pics and vids.
James28's is not.
which opinion is correct?
the one corroborated by the pics and vids.
sorry.
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Rather, Hulkster's biased view of the same 5-6 shitty Dorian pics that he always posts is much, much more reliable
whats hilarious is that I post all kinds of dorian pics, including many posted by the nuthuggers as examples of 'good' dorian shots (eg the 96 GP shots in this thread) and ronnie kills them all.
yet, you still say that I post the same shitty pics, even though they are the same pics posted by you nuthuggers LOL
can't have it both ways losers.
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Anyone with eyes can clearly see Ronnie is the greatest of all time.
yup. the nuthuggers have the eyes.
but they lack the brains to go along with them..
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you seem to forget that others have also seen them both in person and say that ronnie is far above.
and their opinion is corroborated by the pics and vids.
James28's is not.
which opinion is correct?
the one corroborated by the pics and vids.
sorry.
Don't assume everyone can be objective, therefore a knowledge of the judging process is required. Just because Ronnie looks freaky (and he does, not qualms about admitting that) doesn't make him better than Dorian. If 'freaky' won contests Ruhl, Fux or Dillet would all be multiple time Mr O winners.
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you seem to forget that others have also seen them both in person and say that ronnie is far above.
and their opinion is corroborated by the pics and vids.
James28's is not.
which opinion is correct?
the one corroborated by the pics and vids.
sorry.
So only the ones that say Ronnie is better are to be believed, right? Jesus, you're an idiot!
And, yes, you do post the same group of Dorian pics -- you have been literally for years now -- because that is the only way you can prove your worthless point of view.
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So only the ones that say Ronnie is better are to be believed, right?
you can believe which ever you want.
but one has evidence behind it.
the other has evidence against it.
take your choice.
you can believe the Easter Bunny has a better physique than dorian if you want as well, but you won't find any corroborating evidence to back it up.
still, you can believe it if you want to.
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<yawn> it was a rhetorical question
"Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win"
there is no other way to interpret this. Him commenting about the other champs' heydays was a show of respect so he wouldn't appear cocky.
He said that because he knew politics would keep him winning much like it did for Dorian. Ronnie looks like ass and Dorian wasn't much better. Both were the downfall of bodybuilding and the reason so many bodybuilders look like big ugly messes today. Size for size sake.
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you can believe which ever you want.
but one has evidence behind it.
the other has evidence against it.
take your choice.
you can believe the Easter Bunny has a better physique than dorian if you want as well, but you won't find any corroborating evidence to back it up.
still, you can believe it if you want to.
By your own admission, many people who have seen them both say Dorian would win. How is that not evidence? Your "evidence" is based on your subjective opinion of comparison photos....hardly corroborating. Your evidence is subjective, and yet you seem to be the only one who can't understand this.
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By your own admission, many people who have seen them both say Dorian would win. How is that not evidence?
because the pics and vids show they are not applying the criteria correctly, or are saying things about ronnie that are simply not true.
eg. Peter McGough's famous bullshit line about how dorian 6 weeks out was harder and in better condition than ronnie ever was, even at the AC..
this opinion, for example, is not evidence. it is flat out WRONG as proven by all pics and videos.
as someone recently said, you would have to be blind not to see that ronnie is better..
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What's up with Ron's left pec? Where's his left tricep? Where's his left calf? What's up with his abs? Look how tiny his left arm is compared to his right. His whole balance compared to Yates is a joke. I can't believe you posted that pic. Talk about a fucking self owning. I'll let this one slide as it's too easy. Go again troll, one more chance.
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because the pics and vids show they are not applying the criteria correctly, or are saying things about ronnie that are simply not true.
eg. Peter McGough's famous bullshit line about how dorian 6 weeks out was harder and in better condition than ronnie ever was, even at the AC..
this opinion, for example, is not evidence. it is flat out WRONG as proven by all pics and videos.
as someone recently said, you would have to be blind not to see that ronnie is better..
How can you say "flat out wrong"? Did you see them both in person? No. Rather, you are comparing pics in completely different settings that were taken over 8 years apart. Moreover, look the pics objectively - both look to be in amazing condition. If you can't admit how grainy Dorian obviously is there then I don't know what to say.
Lol, so we should believe that "somone" who recently said what you want to believe, but not Peter McGough. Wow, you are sinking.
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To give a better comparison, here are the videos of both Dorian in 93 and Ronnie 01 (the pics Hulkster posted were taken from these shots). Both are in amazing condition. To say Peter McGough was "flat out wrong" is hilarious. Why is he flat out wrong, Hulkster? Because his preference is different than yours?
This reminds me of Hulkster saying that Ronnie himself is wrong when he said 1998 was his best Mr. O condition. Hulkster thinks 1999 was better based solely on pics/vids, so Ronnie must be wrong. Hulkster knows more about Ronnie than Ronnie knows about Ronnie. ::)
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you owned yourself jackass, its the left bicep that is the torn side.
lol, how did own myself? I said his right arm is smaller and it is. Look at the pic.
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lol, how did own myself? I said his right arm is smaller and it is. Look at the pic.
How bout the fact that Ronnies right side is larger than the left? I mean pics and vids are real life and the pics clearly show this.
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<yawn> it was a rhetorical question
"Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win"
there is no other way to interpret this. Him commenting about the other champs' heydays was a show of respect so he wouldn't appear cocky.
Yawn nothing you specifically left out the part where he said " I couldn't beat them " you did this deliberately because he admits again he couldn't beat him.
Let's say it was rhetorical the other two quotes sure as fuck weren't so you're fucked either way because he's been pretty consistent claiming he couldn't beat Dorian and FYI that quote was from 2001 in 2009 on Special Ed's radio show he said Dorian would still win so that nullifies anything he's said before
Ronnie admits he couldn't beat Dorian this renders ANY quote from ANYONE moot because he is after all the Greatest Bodybuilder who ever lived ;) and he still says he couldn't touch Dorian
run along Ronnie owns you
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That's just Ronnie being humble. You're not supposed to take it literally.
Bodybuilding is a subjective sport, but when one competitor is so far ahead of another, it becomes OBJECTIVE.
I know u have love for Yates, but Ronnie is from another planet compared to Yates.
These 30 page threads are growing tiresome. Anyone with eyes can clearly see Ronnie is the greatest of all time.
Don't presume to speak for Ronnie it's not literal when you don't agree ::)
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This reminds me of Hulkster saying that Ronnie himself is wrong when he said 1998 was his best Mr. O condition. Hulkster thinks 1999 was better based solely on pics/vids, so Ronnie must be wrong. Hulkster knows more about Ronnie than Ronnie knows about Ronnie.
you obviously don't realize that ronnie stated publicly in his 99 victory seminar that he was in better shape than 98..
so, no, Ronnie knows ronnie and so do I.
::)
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you obviously don't realize that ronnie stated publicly in his 99 victory seminar that he was in better shape than 98..
so, no, Ronnie knows ronnie and so do I.
::)
yeah and everyone says they were in the best shape of their life after the contest ::) it's at the end of his career when he sits down and evaluates all of his contest showings then he can decide and what did he say?
[ Q ] There are those who feel you were at your best when you competed lighter, which for you was in the low 270's, and those who say you were best in the 290's. Was there a particular look you presented that you preferred over the others?
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Number one. That one was incredible to me. It (Ronnie's first Olympia win in 1998) always will be and nothing will ever take the place of that one. Everything was just spot on for that show. I had to overcome so much to win that one too.
I had guys in front of me who had beaten me for the last ten years or so. Nobody picked me to go in and win that show because I had gotten ninth the year before. I had to come with an incredible package and blow all the judges away and that's what I pretty much did.
And he said 1998 was his best Olympia as well on Special Ed's show because his conditioning was spot-on
So NO Hulkster knows shit as usual.
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you obviously don't realize that ronnie stated publicly in his 99 victory seminar that he was in better shape than 98..
so, no, Ronnie knows ronnie and so do I.
::)
See, this is the problem with Hulkster, he pulls this shit out of thin air as if we'll believe it. I didn't know Coleman said that in 99 - he may very well have; however, why don't you provide a source?
There are pages in the "Truce" thread of you saying that Ronnie is wrong for stating that 98 was his best Mr. O and that he was more conditioned than in 99.
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See, this is the problem with Hulkster, he pulls this shit out of thin air as if we'll believe it. I didn't know Coleman said that in 99 - he may very well have; however, why don't you provide a source?
There are pages in the "Truce" thread of you saying that Ronnie is wrong for stating that 98 was his best Mr. O and that he was more conditioned than in 99.
right here buddy:
http://www.dennisbweis.com/Articles/Colman.html
I was almost 15 pounds heavier than last year, with a little bit better conditioning than last year
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I don't pull anything out of my ass. you should know that by now..
always remember nuthuggers: I am always one step ahead of you. always.
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right here buddy:
http://www.dennisbweis.com/Articles/Colman.html
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I don't pull anything out of my ass. you should know that by now..
always remember nuthuggers: I am always one step ahead of you. always.
Fair enough...you actually posted legitimate proof for once. And yes, you are one step ahead of everyone, but only in your obsesssion with this topic (versus your analysis of it) :)
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you seem to forget that others have also seen them both in person and say that ronnie is far above.
and their opinion is corroborated by the pics and vids.
James28's is not.
which opinion is correct?
the one corroborated by the pics and vids.
sorry.
and you keep forgetting i have seen them both and Yates is better. you have seen none of them live so really you should not be talking.
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wrong.
no one has seen 93/95 dorian stand onstage next to 98/99/AC coleman.
because it never happened.
so we all should be talking.
thats the point.
and thats where the pics and videos come in.
oh wait - they show ronnie is better at his peak.
sucks to be on your side of the argument (the losing one) :-*
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Wrong. 93/95 Dorian dominated as much or more than 98/99 Ronnie did; and, the lineup's were more competitive. :-*
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too bad dorian should have lost in 1994, 1997 and arguably even 1996.. :-*
winning in a more competitive lineup doesn't really do much for you if you never should have won in the first place..
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this whole argument is seriously retarded. The nuthuggers claim "you have to see him in person" to argue Dorian was better. However, there are tons of quotes from witnesses who saw both and came to the conclusion that Ronnie was better. What is there left to argue?
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this whole argument is seriously retarded. The nuthuggers claim "you have to see him in person" to argue Dorian was better. However, there are tons of quotes from witnesses who saw both and came to the conclusion that Ronnie was better. What is there left to argue?
There is the same thing saying Dorian is better. Just as many people. Guess there is plenty to argue, eh?
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There is the same thing saying Dorian is better. Just as many people. Guess there is plenty to argue, eh?
who are all these people?
that's like me saying "for every person who thinks Dorian is better, there are 4x as many who have seen both and think Ronnie is better"
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who are all these people?
that's like me saying "for every person who thinks Dorian is better, there are 4x as many who have seen both and think Ronnie is better"
I said, there is just as many people who've seen Dorian say he is better, as there is people who have seen Ronnie, and say he is better. So, obviously its up for debate. Off the top of my head, there is Delta, James, Mcgough (however the fuck you spell it), Buffd, etc. Just in this thread. I think I've seen 2 people post who've seen Ronnie and Dorian and say Ronnie is better.
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I said, there is just as many people who've seen Dorian say he is better, as there is people who have seen Ronnie, and say he is better. So, obviously its up for debate. Off the top of my head, there is Delta, James, Mcgough (however the fuck you spell it), Buffd, etc. Just in this thread. I think I've seen 2 people post who've seen Ronnie and Dorian and say Ronnie is better.
this list doesn't include Getbig members who say Ronnie is better ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)
"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
“From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great.”
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006
“I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been.”
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
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this list doesn't include Getbig members who say Ronnie is better ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)
"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
“From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great.”
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006
“I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been.”
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Argumentum ad populum none of those quotes prove Ronnie was better , just prove a lot of people think he was better. and you typed above in another post ' what's left to argue ' and yet here you are in yet another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was better. What's funny is you'll take whoever says Ronnie is better as proof but when Ronnie says he couldn't beat Dorian you call him stupid ::) if anything his point of view trumps everyone else and even then it doesn't make it true
learn how to argue without using fallacious arguments
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Argumentum ad populum none of those quotes prove Ronnie was better , just prove a lot of people think he was better. and you typed above in another post ' what's left to argue ' and yet here you are in yet another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was better. What's funny is you'll take whoever says Ronnie is better as proof but when Ronnie says he couldn't beat Dorian you call him stupid if anything his point of view trumps everyone else and even then it doesn't make it true
learn how to argue without using fallacious arguments
>:( "no fair! no fair! no fair! no fair!" >:(
LMAO
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Yawn nothing you specifically left out the part where he said " I couldn't beat them " you did this deliberately because he admits again he couldn't beat him.
Let's say it was rhetorical the other two quotes sure as fuck weren't so you're fucked either way because he's been pretty consistent claiming he couldn't beat Dorian and FYI that quote was from 2001 in 2009 on Special Ed's radio show he said Dorian would still win so that nullifies anything he's said before
Ronnie admits he couldn't beat Dorian this renders ANY quote from ANYONE moot because he is after all the Greatest Bodybuilder who ever lived ;) and he still says he couldn't touch Dorian
run along Ronnie owns you
This is ridiculous. The way Ronnie worded it he meant each champion would beat everyone is their respective heydays. Anyone who thinks he really meant Arnold and Haney would also beat him knows nothing of bodybuilding or human speech. To observe he was being respectful of these great past champions is the most basic of inferences, so quit making stuff up, you embarrass yourselves. Yates famously said in MD he doesn't think he could beat peak Ronnie. Do you think he meant it?
Also why do supposedly darkened screencaps of '99 get endlessly pooh-poohed, yet the Yates side is allowed to endlessly post a one-off shot from the front, in a studio, IN BLACK AND WHITE as definitive evidence of somekind. Not only is it not definitive, but it's not even admissable. Can we see his lower body from the back? Have we any indication that in colour and from the back he'd be the same condition as he ever was on stage? I'm guessing at some 20lb above contest weight that's completely impossible, so do yourselves a favour and stop childishly clinging to something totally meaningless.
Yates was great, but Craig Titus and King Kamali look like world beaters in their own kitchens with the right lighting in their best pose. Then they get onstage and the stage lights change everything. Yates knew this, so why don't you guys?
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Argumentum ad populum none of those quotes prove Ronnie was better , just prove a lot of people think he was better. and you typed above in another post ' what's left to argue ' and yet here you are in yet another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was better. What's funny is you'll take whoever says Ronnie is better as proof but when Ronnie says he couldn't beat Dorian you call him stupid ::) if anything his point of view trumps everyone else and even then it doesn't make it true
learn how to argue without using fallacious arguments
What? All you do is post quotes.
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Anyone who thinks he really meant Arnold and Haney would also beat him knows nothing of bodybuilding or human speech
ND is pretty famous on these forums for knowing nothing about either.
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What? All you do is post quotes.
of course he does.
because real life shows ronnie was far better.
its the same old story with the nuthuggers.
its not about showing how dorian was better physique wise.
its only about coming up with ways to discredit the visuals that show ronnie was better.
thats it.
its about as weak as you can get.
they don't have evidence.
they only have excuses for the evidence that shows how much better ronnie was.. ::)
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Argumentum ad populum none of those quotes prove Ronnie was better ,
by themselves? probably not.
but take that quote and corroborate it with real life visuals to support it and guess what?
you have proof.
talk is sometimes bullshit (see McGough, Peter and his dorian comments lol). until you have corroborating evidence to back it up.
then you have as strong of an argument as it is possible to get..
learn this.
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by themselves? probably not.
but take that quote and corroborate it with real life visuals to support it and guess what?
you have proof.
talk is sometimes bullshit (see McGough, Peter and his dorian comments lol). until you have corroborating evidence to back it up.
then you have as strong of an argument as it is possible to get..
learn this.
Again, the only talk that you claim to be bullshit is that supporting Dorian. Face it, Hulkster, you are so blinded by your pathetic Dorian hate that you are biased to the point of incompetancy. I understand how Ronnie fans prefer Ronnie -- he was a freak and perhaps the best ever. However, to claim that everyone who prefers Dorian is some how wrong just shows your ignorance.
If you were to post comparable pics of both of them at their peaks in each pose it would be close and you know it, although you can't admit it.
Also, you act like the fact that Dorian was "off" in 94, 96 (I disagree here), and 97 means Ronnie was better. What about Ronnie in 01/02/06? Dorian's wins these years were due to IFBB politics, right? Yet Ronnie's somehow weren't? Again, you brush aside any valid argument that shows they were close becaue for some reason YOU ARE MORTIFIED OF DORIAN . . . :-*
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However, to claim that everyone who prefers Dorian is some how wrong just shows your ignorance.
everyone? you mean all three LOL
hell, even dorian's best friend and love interest, Peter McGough feels no one has had a better physique onstage than Ronnie at the AC..
:-*
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everyone? you mean all three LOL
hell, even dorian's best friend and love interest, Peter McGough feels no one has had a better physique onstage than Ronnie at the AC..
:-*
Well he must be wrong, correct, because you claim 99 Ronnie blows away a 2001 AC Ronnie . . . and you clearly know way more than those who have seen them both in person numerous times. ::)
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yes, he is wrong. anyone can see that:
the massive gut at the AC is the kicker.
not to mention the smaller size, less fullness and equal hardness and definition.
but everyone remembers his AC win as a standout for two reasons:
1. it was the first time a Mr. O had competed at the AC while being reigning Mr. O
and
2. his competition was sub par. Oleg Zhur? come on..
what you don't get is that humans make errors for reasons like this.
the camera and video tape do not.
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yes, he is wrong. anyone can see that:
the massive gut at the AC is the kicker.
not to mention the smaller size, less fullness and equal hardness and definition.
but everyone remembers his AC win as a standout for two reasons:
1. it was the first time a Mr. O had competed at the AC while being reigning Mr. O
and
2. his competition was sub par. Oleg Zhur? come on..
what you don't get is that humans make errors for reasons like this.
the camera and video tape do not.
I think he looks drier in 2001, but fuller in 99. Probably better in 99 imo because of his stomach distention in 01. What about 98 Mr. O vs. 01 Arnold?
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What about 98 Mr. O vs. 01 Arnold?
again, probably 98, because the gut was pretty prominent at the AC.
the first mention of ronnie's gut (where everyone took notice of it) was at the 2000 Olympia.
hell, Kevin kept pointing at it.
from then on, no matter what it was always there.
yes, it was there in 98/99 also, if you look and catch shots of ronnie exhaling. but not nearly as bad.
same with dorian - no on really took notice of his gut until 94, although it was still there in 93. but again, not as bad as it was in all 94 and post years.
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>:( "no fair! no fair! no fair! no fair!" >:(
LMAO
It's no fair you don't know how to present an argument? you're ' proof ' is popular opinion? and none of those quotes trump Ronnie himself , oh that's right when he says Dorian would beat him your response is " well you ever hear the guy? he's not to smart " the irony of you questioning his intelligence
Keep your popular opinion it's all you have. ;)
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This is ridiculous. The way Ronnie worded it he meant each champion would beat everyone is their respective heydays. Anyone who thinks he really meant Arnold and Haney would also beat him knows nothing of bodybuilding or human speech. To observe he was being respectful of these great past champions is the most basic of inferences, so quit making stuff up, you embarrass yourselves. Yates famously said in MD he doesn't think he could beat peak Ronnie. Do you think he meant it?
Also why do supposedly darkened screencaps of '99 get endlessly pooh-poohed, yet the Yates side is allowed to endlessly post a one-off shot from the front, in a studio, IN BLACK AND WHITE as definitive evidence of somekind. Not only is it not definitive, but it's not even admissable. Can we see his lower body from the back? Have we any indication that in colour and from the back he'd be the same condition as he ever was on stage? I'm guessing at some 20lb above contest weight that's completely impossible, so do yourselves a favour and stop childishly clinging to something totally meaningless.
Yates was great, but Craig Titus and King Kamali look like world beaters in their own kitchens with the right lighting in their best pose. Then they get onstage and the stage lights change everything. Yates knew this, so why don't you guys?
This is ridiculous. The way Ronnie worded it he meant each champion would beat everyone is their respective heydays. Anyone who thinks he really meant Arnold and Haney would also beat him knows nothing of bodybuilding or human speech. To observe he was being respectful of these great past champions is the most basic of inferences, so quit making stuff up, you embarrass yourselves. Yates famously said in MD he doesn't think he could beat peak Ronnie. Do you think he meant it?
I never made shit up he never committed to an answer in he eluded to one but took the high road by not saying it outright and in the end that quotes doesn't mean a God damn thing because the other two he clearly says Dorian would beat him , definitively no eluding , no hinting around , so either way you're fucked. Yates said in MD " I guess I don't know " so heed your own advice and quit making stuff up
Also why do supposedly darkened screencaps of '99 get endlessly pooh-poohed, yet the Yates side is allowed to endlessly post a one-off shot from the front, in a studio, IN BLACK AND WHITE as definitive evidence of somekind. Not only is it not definitive, but it's not even admissable. Can we see his lower body from the back? Have we any indication that in colour and from the back he'd be the same condition as he ever was on stage? I'm guessing at some 20lb above contest weight that's completely impossible, so do yourselves a favour and stop childishly clinging to something totally meaningless.
supposedly darkened? how about proven manipulated ( not all of them mind you ) how about all the morphed picture Hulkster has been using for eons? you're bitching about people using pictures at only one side don't be a hypocrite and forget that pic we have a whole series when he was 269 pounds and you can clearly see how great he his overall , no wait you can't see with your head stuck so far up Ronnie's bottom.
Yates was great, but Craig Titus and King Kamali look like world beaters in their own kitchens with the right lighting in their best pose. Then they get onstage and the stage lights change everything. Yates knew this, so why don't you guys?
Oh yeah Dorian only looked good in black & white shots never onstage compared to the best of the best ::)
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What? All you do is post quotes.
The difference is my quotes aren't subjective and I'll always admit that if they are they aren't proof.
I don't rely on popular opinion as proof
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by themselves? probably not.
but take that quote and corroborate it with real life visuals to support it and guess what?
you have proof.
talk is sometimes bullshit (see McGough, Peter and his dorian comments lol). until you have corroborating evidence to back it up.
then you have as strong of an argument as it is possible to get..
learn this.
Hahahahah ' real life visuals ' like your oversharpened pictures and the morphed ones? is that what you mean? were you there in ' real life ' ? NO you have no concept of real life and the people who do ALL contradict your bullshit claims.
Ronnie Coleman trumps you all get over it crybabies ;)
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yes, he is wrong. anyone can see that:
the massive gut at the AC is the kicker.
not to mention the smaller size, less fullness and equal hardness and definition.
but everyone remembers his AC win as a standout for two reasons:
1. it was the first time a Mr. O had competed at the AC while being reigning Mr. O
and
2. his competition was sub par. Oleg Zhur? come on..
what you don't get is that humans make errors for reasons like this.
the camera and video tape do not.
Hahahahah he's wrong and you're right and you were NEVER at any contest hahahahahah I fucking love your stupidity , and to back up your claim what do your provide as evidence? ' everyone can see that ' and ' everyone remembers 2001 because " you always presume to speak for everyone but can never back up your claims with anyone . more appeals to the masses , you Neo and most of the other Ronnie nutt-huggers are complete morons it's no wonder why you think Ronnie is so far ahead of Dorian you've been staring at the photoshopped pics to long.
' real life visuals ' despite the fact NONE of you were there in ' real life ' fucking idiots the whole lot of you lol
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everyone? you mean all three LOL
hell, even dorian's best friend and love interest, Peter McGough feels no one has had a better physique onstage than Ronnie at the AC..
:-*
Except Dorian at 269 pounds , opppsss forgot that one didn't you? no you didn't you're just like the weasel Neo trying to be deceptive and omit part of the quotes but hey I don't blame you idiots you have to do everything under the sun to try and prove Ronnie was better , including using appeals to the masses , made up quotes , morphed pictures , over-sharpened pictures and personal attacks , yes you idiots present a well thought out objective and honest argument based on the judging criteria LMFAO
I own ALL of you which is why you're in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove with popular opinion Ronnie was better.
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too bad dorian should have lost in 1994, 1997 and arguably even 1996.. :-*
winning in a more competitive lineup doesn't really do much for you if you never should have won in the first place..
Cormier looks better in that shot than Ronnie despite being smaller.
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Except Dorian at 269 pounds , opppsss forgot that one didn't you? no you didn't you're just like the weasel Neo trying to be deceptive and omit part of the quotes but hey I don't blame you idiots you have to do everything under the sun to try and prove Ronnie was better , including using appeals to the masses , made up quotes , morphed pictures , over-sharpened pictures and personal attacks , yes you idiots present a well thought out objective and honest argument based on the judging criteria LMFAO
I own ALL of you which is why you're in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove with popular opinion Ronnie was better.
For all of the time you spend talking about Dorian, I hope you've at least been able to meet the guy. You truly LOVE Dorian Yates. Is he aware of your crush? He should be made aware of your affections, ND.
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For all of the time you spend talking about Dorian, I hope you've at least been able to meet the guy. You truly LOVE Dorian Yates. Is he aware of your crush? He should be made aware of your affections, ND.
Hahahahah never met him , never seen him , never emailed him , don't want to look like him , don't train like him , never bought his supplements ;)
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Hahahahah never met him , never seen him , never emailed him , don't want to look like him , don't train like him , never bought his supplements ;)
Do you feel he is the best bodybuilder of all time?
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how about all the morphed picture Hulkster has been using for eons?
what morphed pics are you talking about that I supposedly post all the time?
please enlighten all of us.
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Cormier looks better in that shot than Ronnie despite being smaller.
how so? ronnie has better quads, wider/thicker lats with the same sized waist =better taper, better chest etc. etc.
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Do you feel he is the best bodybuilder of all time?
That depends on the context of the question , would he beat anyone ? yes , the criteria clearly favors his physique , in general NO I think Arnold is the best bodybuilder of all time so many reasons , physique , being a trailblazer , promoter , actor , the guy sent the trend for everyone to follow , I think Steve Reeves is right there was well and statistically Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all time , most career wins and Olympia wins.
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ND, do you ever get tired of defending Dorian? I'm impressed by your stamina and devotion to your man.
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how so? ronnie has better quads, wider/thicker lats with the same sized waist =better taper, better chest etc. etc.
Cormier has better quad seperation (Ronnie's are just bigger) Cormier's waist is smaller and his abs are WAY better. Cormier's chest is better. Overall Cormier's physique flows much better. Ofcourse from the back things could be different but I'm only going by that particular pic. Ronnie does have wider thicker lats.
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ND, do you ever get tired of defending Dorian? I'm impressed by your stamina and devotion to your man.
Neo do you ever get tired of getting demoralized? I spend less time ' defending ' Dorian and more time correcting you idiots on how the game is played and I never get tired of making you and Hulkster look like the compete morons you are. ;)
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ND, I asked you first. And pre-emptive strike before you say "ladies first."
Ladies first ;)
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I never made shit up he never committed to an answer in he eluded to one but took the high road by not saying it outright and in the end that quotes doesn't mean a God damn thing because the other two he clearly says Dorian would beat him , definitively no eluding , no hinting around , so either way you're fucked. Yates said in MD " I guess I don't know " so heed your own advice and quit making stuff up
supposedly darkened? how about proven manipulated ( not all of them mind you ) how about all the morphed picture Hulkster has been using for eons? you're bitching about people using pictures at only one side don't be a hypocrite and forget that pic we have a whole series when he was 269 pounds and you can clearly see how great he his overall , no wait you can't see with your head stuck so far up Ronnie's bottom.
Oh yeah Dorian only looked good in black & white shots never onstage compared to the best of the best ::)
B/W pics have undergone a manipulation of sorts. Deal with that. Unless you are a sheepdog I will not acknowledge one-off 280lb '95 pics of Dorian with way more contrasted and shadowy lighting than you'd ever find on an Olympia stage. Maybe he was the greatest ever at 269lb in '93 but unfortunately for him, and in the least gay way possible, no judges ever got to observe his rear lower conditioning from the back under stage lighting. You must understand that makes a difference? How many guys are in shape in the dressing room but not onstage? You never address this so I don't expect an answer.
Ronnie said Arnold would beat him, does that make it true? Does it mean a damn thing? If you'd be so kind as to post the full Dorian Q & A regarding Ronnie it seemed a lot clearer than you are making it sound.
I would never be so bold as to say Dorian wasn't insanely inspirational with amazing condition and looked great in colour also etc, but when we get into the nitpicking finer points of who is the greatest ever, then I think it's important we don't use single pictures from a photoshoot from the front relatively far out from a show. Otherwise Victor Richards or Paul Dillet or someone should really win this debate. You and I both know there is more to it than this one shot, and that bringing it the day of the show is what makes or breaks competitors. Dorian was 12lb lighter onstage, and noticeably less full, although obviously looked dominant in that line-up, since he was so ahead of his time in so may ways.
I don't endorse morphed Ronnie pics, although I'm not sure which ones are 'morphed', certainly they haven't featured prominently in this debate, although I have seen them pop up. Perhaps the 'darkened' ones have, but like the screencaps from Markus Ruhl's legendary NOC win, it's not like someone has deliberately changed them, just as many screencaps appear faded or overly bright. Certainly the dramatic enhancing of contrast and darkening which creates a black and white pic is no less of a manipulation. My argument has always been that 2003 Ronnie is the one who would, for better or for worse, defeat 257lb Dorian by virtue of being noticeably more massive everywhere + more ripped hams and glutes.
Dorian was great, and it's a shame one has to remotely point fault in a legend to take part in this debate but don't you think it a little odd that the foundation of your argument lies in pics much more manipulated than any '99 screencaps? You can attempt to counter this with Kevin Horton quotes from photoshoots, then counter Neo Seminole's impressive list of quotes by saying quotes mean nothing. Whatever does it for you, but I'm gonna operate in the grounded reality of colour contest pics and colour video if it's okay with you, since online this is the closest we can get to reality.
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This thread is quickly failing. Quit arguing semantics and back to posting the same pics repeatedley and saying "See, look the anyone with eyes can see xxxx is better" while posting no evidence of why.
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I havn't read a single post in this thread but by scrolling from the top down to the bottom, I bet I can guess what its about
same shit, different thread
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This thread is quickly failing. Quit arguing semantics and back to posting the same pics repeatedley and saying "See, look the anyone with eyes can see xxxx is better" while posting no evidence of why.
Exactly, however with most or should i say a Few people the "evidence" is in the eye of the beholder and no matter how much common sense in the way a physique is Actually judged as a TOTAL package and the criteria that gos with it (not who has better body-parts or Genetics) those Few will drag up the same old pictures a hundred times and a hundred times more.
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Whatever does it for you, but I'm gonna operate in the grounded reality of colour contest pics and colour video if it's okay with you, since online this is the closest we can get to reality.
but the dorian nuthuggers can't operate in this reality because they claim all the pics/videos are either enhanced, morphed or "not a representation of how dorian looked onstage- you had to seem him in person.."
thats what they are reduced to because they know as well as anyone that the visuals clearly show ronnie was better - for many reasons - like better detail in many key areas (quads/glutes/hams, arms, delts, chest etc), better shape, better taper etc etc etc.
::)
how sad these people are..
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Does this mean I win? haha
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Lol, okay whatever you say Hulkster ::) The ironic thing is that you have built quite the reputation for posting sharpened pics of Ronnie as well as the worst pics (the same 5-6 you always post) of Dorian.
If Ronnie's superiority over Dorian is so clear and obvious, then why do you do this?
Futher hypocrisy is shown by the fit you through over the B&W Dorian latspread photo . . . you know, the one that you cried was photoshopped only to be owned by the actual photographer.
You're delusional man. ;D
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an "off" Yates is an "on" anyone else.
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have fun hulky.
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Lol, isn't that the year Hulkster claims Dorian was a "blob"?
Countdown to the same 2-3 pics from 94 that he always posts, the one's where Dorian isn't even in a pose. Nice "corroborating" evidence there Hulkster ::)
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there are more. ;)
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Sick pics Delta. Like a fucking shredded rhinoceros.
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sick validation of the 95 Kevin Horton "new" pic of Yates that people think is shopped.
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and the ownage continues
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more owning of the 90's
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striated glutes for hulkster.
right click images to see them correctly.
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bring it hulkster.
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let excuses begin
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meets all criteria, wins.
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do i need to provide more beat down?
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Truly in another class. Never mention Coleman again in the same sentence as Yates.
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let the excuses begin is right.
this is embarassing for dorian...
thanks guys. please post more.
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LOL
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a bunch of huge parts (except the calves) thrown together, not looking too good for you hulky. thanks for playing though.
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LOL I mean honestly.
dorian's waist is way thicker but his lats aren't any wider, he has wrinkles of loose skin in his lower back etc.
is game over.
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dorian just can't compete..its like a mismatch.
does dorian even train? comparisons like this make it look like he doesn't.. :-\
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oversized arms dont cut it man. you dont understand balance. its ok, ill give it to you that you will argue your point to oblivion (even though you are wrong).
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LOL oversized? uh no.
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perfect balance.
you are just pissed beause dorian has undersized twigs on a barrel and it shows in every shot..
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There goes Hulkster melting down as usual whenever new pics of Yates appear like clockwork
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loose skin is a non issue you made up. if doing the lat spread you pull from back to front, this can happen. ronnie pushes his fists into his waist so it is diff. you dont understand this. its ok.
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There goes Hulkster melting down as usual whenever new pics of Yates appear like clockwork
I love how you seem to think that me easily showing pics of dorian getting KILLED by ronnie as 'melting down'.
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loose skin is a non issue you made up
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sure it is.
this is a new one in the list of excuses.
rather than try and argue that a flaw isn't a big deal, why not just pretend the flaw doesn't exist at all even though its all there for everyone to see? ::)
and you morons think other people are melting down LOL
this is fucking hilarious
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I bet you regret posting these dorian shots now, don't you?
talk about a backfire LOL
next time, grow a brain and stop thinking that 1996 post tear dorian even stands a chance.. ::)
because he doesn't.
as you are all learning the hard way by public embarassment from me..
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anyone doing any twisting shot is going to have wrinkles. its like playing with down's kids, all too easy.
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you take this all too seriously, really. dont get offended man, its the internet.
explain to me then the pic i posted and there are no skin folds. come on, reach real hard. you can do it.
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while you are at it, go ahead and say that the lines in the triceps are skin folds/ wrinkles.
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we are waiting.
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hello, calling owned.
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WRINKLES? this is 94, by the way.
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LOL Delta9mda is melting down! :P
but we all know he secretly wants to touch dorian's wrinkles LOL
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are these new Dorian pics suppose to be impressive? Looks horrible with his wide waist and missing arms. lol
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explain how i am the one melting down. just backing up my point as you are and showing proof of your foolishness.
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How about Gaspari vs Darrem Charles?
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WRINKLES? this is 94, by the way.
. Thats actually 1997
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are these new Dorian pics suppose to be impressive? Looks horrible with his wide waist and missing arms. lol
. They were impressive to the judges anf FYI he beat Ronnie and his big arms and small waist hahahaha
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Seriously, if you don't think these shots of Dorian are impressive then you clearly do not understand bodybuilding. That front relaxed pose is as good as anything I have seen of Ronnie, and Doz's arms in this signature pose and FDB above look great. Neo, normally you aren't as lamely biased as Hulkster in your Dorian hate, but he must be rubbing off on you.
And Hulkster, epic claiming that Delta is melting down, lol. He's not melting down, he is owning your ass with "corroborating" evidence as you like to call it. Only a complete fool such as yourself doesn't understand the difference between leaning forward and leaning back in the RLS....Delta tried to dumb it down for you with pics, yet you are too lame to understand. Ignorance must be bliss!
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are these new Dorian pics suppose to be impressive? Looks horrible with his wide waist and missing arms. lol
yes, to the nuthuggers they are impressive. (how sad..)
and I showed just how unimpressive they were compared to ronnie coleman..
and was accused by Flowerboy of 'melting down'
LMAO
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and Doz's arms in this signature pose and FDB above look great
yeah, if you compare him to Chris Dickerson LOL
::)
the nuthuggers are hitting new lows of stupidity here tonight.
mark it down on your calendars hahahahahahahahaha :-*
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Seriously, if you don't think these shots of Dorian are impressive then you clearly do not understand bodybuilding. That front relaxed pose is as good as anything I have seen of Ronnie, and Doz's arms in this signature pose and FDB above look great.
are the shots of Dorian impressive in absolute terms? Yes. However, they are unimpressive compared to other pics I have seen of him and Ronnie. Hope this clears up some confusion. As for the front relaxed pose, it's nowhere near as good as this shot of Ronnie.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie12.jpg)
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He's not melting down, he is owning your ass with "corroborating" evidence as you like to call it.
yeah, corroborating evidence for OUR argument lol
they show quite nicely how much better ronnie was.
thanks for posting these nuthuggers!
please please continue LOL
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Insane! :o
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small arms, wide waist and no quad sweep? they will never get it.
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small arms, wide waist and no quad sweep? they will never get it.
lol, then enlighten us b/c that's all the pics show
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Most of these screencaps are at 16:9 and not 4:3 which stretches the image.
It's pretty easily noticible in the caps that are. The 95 Dorian lat spread and 99 Coleman lat spread are
4:3. Most of the Yates caps are 16:9 and the GMV Most muscular Coleman shot looks 16:9 too.
Delta is aware of this because Rocketswitch made him aware of it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=313977.550
Carry On....
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i re-capped then from 16:9 to 4:3 last time. if it did it agian this time i was not aware of it and will do it again, with other shots of other years.
im not here to provide false or doctored pics, unlike others here.
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After seeing these last pics of Dorian, all I can think of is this: he had an amazing back, probably the best ever, but what the hell happened to his arms after 1993? In all honesty, they look small compared to his massive torso. I mean the injuries and tears really had an effect on them, from the pics I think they either started shrinking or his torso just got too big.
He still won and dominated the contests though, I'm just pointing out that his arms really got worse as time went by.
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Insane! :o
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Quads look better than usual there. Arms throw things off somewhat but very tight and good condition. Does anyone else find the impressively thick back a tad unaesthetic cos it's so lopsided?
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probably his best condition ever.
i own up to it if i screen capped them at the "wrong" setting. my player defaults to whatever the disc is.
ill post more from early Yates later.
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but what the hell happened to his arms after 1993? In all honesty, they look small compared to his massive torso
yates patented and perfected the "twigs on a barrel" concept.
it was more noticable post tear, but was there at his 93 best ever too:
his left arm was always two sizes too small..
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yates patented and perfected the "twigs on a barrel" concept.
it was more noticable post tear, but was there at his 93 best ever too:
his left arm was always two sizes too small..
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yates patented and perfected the "twigs on a barrel" concept.
it was more noticable post tear, but was there at his 93 best ever too:
his left arm was always two sizes too small..
What a surprise another select pic of yates "weak arms" in 1993 oh hang on look....heres another one
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Same pose...same year.
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LOL nuthuggers melting down over dorian's weak arms. again. LOL
:P
twigs on a barrel in full force losers: even in your beloved 1993 hahahaha
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LOL nuthuggers melting down over dorian's weak arms. again. LOL
:P
twigs on a barrel in full force losers: even in your beloved 1993 hahahaha
Great pic there, Hulkster -- that proves a lot.
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Twigs on a barrel in full force ;D
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thanks for posting that 93 "relaxed" shot. its twigs on a barrel in full force!
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Twigs on a barrel in full force ;D
Question Royal is calves part of the judging criteria? ;)
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2nd question how about Gyno???
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What a surprise another select pic of yates "weak arms" in 1993 oh hang on look....heres another one
The kid is scaredof Dorian at his best thats why he tries to carefully select pics its more of his weak logic ( stawman) add that to his appeals to popular opinion and his morphed/sharpened pics and you have a troll whose already admitted defeat and now all he has left is bashing and trolling
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there goes flowerboy with his bullshit about 'morphed/sharpened pics'
you know your argument is shit when thats all you have to go on...
how sad. basing an entire argument on a premise that is false in the first place.. ::)
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LOL there goes flowerboy with his bullshit about 'morphed/sharpened pics'
lol
you know your arugment is shit when thats all you have to go on.
lol
Hey thanks for reminding me about more of you weal logic ,ad homein attacks lol you just cannot form a cognizent coherent argument , troll on its all you have because everyone can see for themselves you have no argument ;)
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you just cannot form a cognizent coherent argument
no, this has been done a thousand times and corroborated by all kinds of pics and videos.
but you chose to claim that the pics and videos are enhanced/sharpened/faked/not representative and every other pathetic excuse in the book, so you ignore the reality that dorian was not as good.
carry on.
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yates patented and perfected the "twigs on a barrel" concept.
it was more noticable post tear, but was there at his 93 best ever too:
his left arm was always two sizes too small..
More hypocrisy Ronnie can have two missing calves but that's ok but Dorians biceps can't be small hahaha great logic , if Dorian's arms are missing because of his biceps than Ronnies legs are missing according to your logic ;)
If Dorian has twigs on a barrel Ronnie has toothpicks on treetrunks ;)
Ms Olympia has better calves hahahahaha
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no, this has been done a thousand times and corroborated by all kinds of pics and videos.
but you chose to claim that the pics and videos are enhanced/sharpened/faked/not representative and every other pathetic excuse in the book, so you ignore the reality that dorian was not as good.
carry on.
All kinds of pics and videos?? What, the same few Dorian pics you always post compared to your sharpened Ronnie pics? No excuse, just a fact.
Show us some video support:
Here's Dorian owning the 95 lineup: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5049884837576382067&ei=ouJ9S-aNCKjQrAOJ97WIBw&q=1995+mr.+olympia+prejudging#
Here he is owning the 96 lineup:
Here's 94:
Here's 93:
Hulkster - show us one video of Dorian where he isn't dominating....seriously, post one to support this new "corroborating" evidence theory you keep referring to. The only thing corroborated is how lame you are.
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are the shots of Dorian impressive in absolute terms? Yes. However, they are unimpressive compared to other pics I have seen of him and Ronnie. Hope this clears up some confusion. As for the front relaxed pose, it's nowhere near as good as this shot of Ronnie.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie12.jpg)
Yeah right side bigger than the left. Ugly physique and continued to ruin bodybuilding after Yates started the downfall.
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Yeah right side bigger than the left. Ugly physique and continued to ruin bodybuilding after Yates started the downfall.
lol, the contrast from the sun is washing out his left side. Anything else you would like to 'point out?' ;D
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lol, the contrast from the sun is washing out his left side. Anything else you would like to 'point out?' ;D
Sure it is. You fanboys got a million excuses as to why Ronnie looks bad. Face it he truly took the torch Dorian passed him and ruined bodybuilding. He's just a big mass of bodyparts.
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I still think Shawn looked his best in 92. Actually Dorian did too.
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Sure it is. You fanboys got a million excuses as to why Ronnie looks bad. Face it he truly took the torch Dorian passed him and ruined bodybuilding. He's just a big mass of bodyparts.
This pretty much sums it up. Two of the ugliest physiques ever. Funny that their fanboys can't get on, they are after all spiritual brothers.
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lol, the contrast from the sun is washing out his left side. Anything else you would like to 'point out?' ;D
Now what was that about superior ' symmetry ' hahahahahahahaha ;D
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Franco Columbo won the Olympia on one leg.
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Franco Columbo won the Olympia on one leg.
Ronnie won with boobs :-X
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dorian won looking fat and drunk :-X
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LOL that resemblance is a little too uncanny
enjoy nuthuggers! :-*
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Someone say Drunk and FAT???????????????
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Someone say Drunk and FAT???????????????
Horrible bodybuilder.
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LOL that resemblance is a little too uncanny
enjoy nuthuggers! :-*
Someone say fat?
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Horrible bodybuilder.
Let's not forget who was the pioneer!
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Let's not forget who was the pioneer!
Pumpster? That you? About your favorite pics... lol. Someone post those pics with the cat. Fuckin LOL
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Pumpster? That you? About your favorite pics... lol. Someone post those pics with the cat. Fuckin LOL
Hahahahaha who else? everyone's favorite dumbass
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Hahahahaha who else? everyone's favorite dumbass
I still swear that a bra is clearly visible in the top shot. Plumpster's boobs are that big. And now we know why he referred to my camera bag as a "brutal man purse". He knows all about man purses. LOL
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I still swear that bra straps are visible in the top shot, his boobs are that big. And now we know why Plumpster referred to my camera case as a "brutal man purse". He knows all about man purses. LOL
Ironic he always referred to Dorian as the ' keg ' when in fact he's a fucking keg and he had balls trying to put down your physique
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Shawn Ray on Haney
Comment on Lee Haney: The greatest bodybuilder in history. The most dominating of all the champions - regardless of the era.
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Ironic he always referred to Dorian as the ' keg ' when in fact he's a fucking keg and he had balls trying to put down your physique
Acting like he was perfect for all those years when all along he was in fact the biggest tub o' lard on getbig. Epic hiding behind a computer screen. LOL
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small arms. hahahahahha
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Pumpster? That you? About your favorite pics... lol. Someone post those pics with the cat. Fuckin LOL
What are you talking about?Are you suggesting I should be someone called "pumpster",or just Dorian reminds you of that fat guy on those pics?
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small arms. hahahahahha
I didn't say his arms were small in 93, actually they were quite good. What I said is that his arms got worse and smaller as the years went by after 1993.
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small arms. hahahahahha
I think you meant to post a different picture b/c all you did was prove Dorian had twig arms. :-\
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What are you talking about?Are you suggesting I should be someone called "pumpster",or just Dorian reminds you of that fat guy on those pics?
Your posting reminds me of Pumpster, the fat fuck that got humiliated and ran off, especially because he was the one that had all those gut pics saved on his computer. But Im far too lazy to go back and look up his posts and try to match up the photos to prove your the same account. Far, Far too lazy.
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I think you meant to post a different picture b/c all you did was prove Dorian had twig arms. :-\
you are arguing just to argue. huge arms in those pics, you just cant accept it.
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What are you talking about?Are you suggesting I should be someone called "pumpster",or just Dorian reminds you of that fat guy on those pics?
dont take it personal, not directed at you.
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small arms. hahahahahha
they are small compared to Ronnie's: :P
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they are small compared to Ronnie's: :P
Fuck Ronnies arms are huge in that pic ND might not recover
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Fuck Ronnies arms are huge in that pic ND might not recover
ND has never recovered from the owning I gave him on the truce thread.
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ND has never recovered from the owning I gave him on the truce thread.
Well I dont know how owned he got from the guy who stated he didnt give a fuck what Ronnie considered his best, because Hulkster's sole opinion (based on a video) carries more weight than the person competing. FUCKING LOL. :-\
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ND has never recovered from the owning I gave him on the truce thread.
Yeah real owned with statements like Dorian lost in 93 and Ronnie had more detailed calves than Dorian and 94 was close and 98 wasn't , and Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the whole prejudging , Dorian is the most overrated ever because he dominated , 1998/2001 is not his best 1999 is LMMFAO
If that's the ' owning ' you're talking about real typical of you lots of typing and no content , and miles from reality ;)
you got BEAT period. by your own hero in the end I won , Ronnie conceded on multiple occasions he couldn't beat Dorian that ended the truce thread and where are you now? In in yet another Yates thread typing the opposite of reality , trolling it's all you have left
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Well I dont know how owned he got from the guy who stated he didnt give a fuck what Ronnie considered his best, because Hulkster's sole opinion (based on a video) carries more weight than the person competing. FUCKING LOL. :-\
That's what I'm talking about , Hulkster in another pathetic attempt to save face contradicting reality. He knows I owned the living fuck out of him what's he gonna do? Ronnie says his best is 98 three times now what's Hulkster do? says he's wrong and a lair the kid isn't that bright
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Your posting reminds me of Pumpster, the fat fuck that got humiliated and ran off, especially because he was the one that had all those gut pics saved on his computer. But Im far too lazy to go back and look up his posts and try to match up the photos to prove your the same account. Far, Far too lazy.
Don't waste your time,I'm not the guy anyway!I copied these gut pics as a single picture from a bodybuilding site(either this one or BB.com,or RX Muscle)The pic might have been created by Pumpster or might have not,who knows and who cares...
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they are small compared to Ronnie's: :P
I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one Hulkster. :)
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I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one Hulkster. :)
everybody's are "small" compared to ronnie's.
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everybody's are "small" compared to ronnie's.
Most are small compared to Ronnie's but not everybody's. Paul Dillet and Lee Priest come to mind.