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Title: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 04, 2013, 08:42:36 AM
In 1980, After 5 years break he came back leaner than ever ,  what drugs you think  he was on ?  

Looked great and very athletic.

WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: LATS on June 04, 2013, 09:15:00 AM
Same as he always was.. Just dieted hard.. He liked primo dbol.. Rumored anyway..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on June 04, 2013, 09:31:27 AM
In 1980, After 5 years break he came back leaner than ever ,  what drugs you think  he was on ? 


Looked great and very athletic.




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
STRANGE A.S. PROTEIN SERIES IS NOT AROUND ANYMORE.YOU THINK HE WOULD BE LEADER IN SUPP INDUSTRY,,,THAT WAS A WEIDER PRODUCT WITH ARNOLD LOGO SLAPPED ON IT,,,
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Man of Steel on June 04, 2013, 09:38:24 AM
all streusel and wienerschnitzel
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: viking1 on June 04, 2013, 09:42:48 AM
Diet and two-a-days in the gym.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Sophus on June 04, 2013, 09:52:21 AM
cadavar
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Psychopath on June 04, 2013, 09:53:17 AM
Superior A.r.y.a.n genetics.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: dj181 on June 04, 2013, 09:57:49 AM
holy biceps batman
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: the trainer on June 04, 2013, 10:52:02 AM
its because of the weider protein power that he is drinking its better than cell tech.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: irishdave on June 04, 2013, 10:56:49 AM
I was thinking about this the other day...I don't think I've ever seen a pic of Arnold with a bloated face from all the dbol he took. Was he eating super clean all the time?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: irishdave on June 04, 2013, 11:11:32 AM
oh i seen bloaty pics of him,lol.

i have his bible-like thick book , but yeah, they would come off gear off season and just be small and skinyfat and grow into shape on 1000calories, they dieted very hard and thats that.

low dose and hard low calorie diet will give trademark lean face, all the ppl on gh i see never seem to get that epic lean face.

But low dose and low calorie diet will make you shrink to fucking nothing?? Is it possible to be 240/250lbs with a lean face if you eat low carbs and salt? I struggle hard with it.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Psychopath on June 04, 2013, 11:13:23 AM
But low dose and low calorie diet will make you shrink to fucking nothing?? Is it possible to be 240/250lbs with a lean face if you eat low carbs and salt? I struggle hard with it.


Maybe he loaded on non-aromatizing compounds.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Psychopath on June 04, 2013, 11:18:57 AM
Getting to be 250lb+ is a challenge, and requires lots of drugs and food.

Once you attain that size, you can maintain that size on less drugs and food.

Considering people diet for short periods of time, the risk of muscle loss is almost impossible.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Rudee on June 04, 2013, 11:29:43 AM
Squirrel eggs and bee pollen. 
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on June 04, 2013, 11:34:07 AM
2 triple meats with no salt from In and Out.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: viking1 on June 04, 2013, 12:09:28 PM
Squirrel eggs and bee pollen. 
          LOL, damn....   must have to eat a lot of those eggs.  :D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 04, 2013, 12:10:17 PM
I was thinking about this the other day...I don't think I've ever seen a pic of Arnold with a bloated face from all the dbol he took. Was he eating super clean all the time?


Exactly! he retired  in 1975 the top names back then were Oliva,Ferrigno,Katz ,Waller etc all over 240 lbs...the following years  Arnold got off the sauce, his skin was really lose for a 30 year old guy 76,77,78, specially 1979,And don't forget,by 1980 the game had changed drastically, Zane,Robinso,Dickerson,Makawi,Mentzer etc were the ones dominating  "were ripped" and under 220 lbs... So by spring 1980 not only Arnold got lean but his skin was thinner than ever!!! with striations never before seen in his prime even the split chest...... I really doubt it was the same "Formula" he applied 10 years early the early 70's.


Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2013, 12:11:28 PM
Arnold just lifted, no drugs.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on June 04, 2013, 12:39:09 PM
Exactly! he retired  in 1975 the top names back then were Oliva,Ferrigno,Katz ,Waller etc all over 240 lbs...the following years  Arnold got off the sauce, his skin was really lose for a 30 year old guy 76,77,78, specially 1979,And don't forget,by 1980 the game had changed drastically, Zane,Robinso,Dickerson,Makawi,Mentzer etc were the ones dominating  "were ripped" and under 220 lbs... So by spring 1980 not only Arnold got lean but his skin was thinner than ever!!! with striations never before seen in his prime even the split chest...... I really doubt it was the same "Formula" he applied 10 years early the early 70's.



HE LOOKS DYNAMITE IN THAT PIC,YES DOING WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR THAT ERA DIET/DRUG WISE DID HIS BUILD WONDERS,MASSIVE OAK WAS REPLACED WITH STREAMLINED BUT STILL BIG OAK WITH ADDED HARDNESS/SEPERATION NEVER SEEN.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2013, 12:51:25 PM
It does not matter if you don't have the genes then lights out. How many people have tried? I have clue just saying take all the drugs you want most will never be be Mr O. Close but no Cigar.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: arce1988 on June 04, 2013, 12:51:41 PM
 starvation
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 04, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
It does not matter if you don't have the genes then lights out. How many people have tried? I have clue just saying take all the drugs you want most will never be be Mr O. Close but no Cigar.

Exactly , this guy tried every combo of steroid on the planet and never got over 170lbs
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Seven Copper Coins on June 04, 2013, 01:15:44 PM
I was thinking about this the other day...I don't think I've ever seen a pic of Arnold with a bloated face from all the dbol he took. Was he eating super clean all the time?


He was just super lucky. Never looked bloated, not a trace of gyno, great skin...always looked "good"
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: First Blood on June 04, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
(http://www.elmentsxe.info/imagez/ac11.jpg)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: slaveboy1980 on June 04, 2013, 01:42:50 PM
Exactly , this guy tried every combo of steroid on the planet and never got over 170lbs

Duchaine was one ugly mofo.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Seven Copper Coins on June 04, 2013, 01:46:33 PM
Exactly , this guy tried every combo of steroid on the planet and never got over 170lbs

We have a guy like that here....dj....something.    LOL  ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 04, 2013, 01:51:28 PM
starvation


Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: dj181 on June 04, 2013, 01:51:54 PM
We have a guy like that here....dj....something.    LOL  ;D

wait a minute!

i'm almost a buck 60 >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Rudee on June 04, 2013, 01:53:50 PM
          LOL, damn....   must have to eat a lot of those eggs.  :D

The entire squirrel egg.... not just the whites.   That's the key.   ;)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: LanceD on June 04, 2013, 06:14:14 PM

Arnold was a natty, that's a fact.  I know none of you will believe this, he ate and trained, that's all.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Submissionfytr on June 04, 2013, 06:32:49 PM
Lol, at natty!!! He himself confirmed use multiple times, most famous being when he pointed out that steroids were not illegal when he tool them (a political interview ;-)  Also MD printed his exact Olympia stack, if ur too lazy or cheap, than maybe u missed it....
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on June 04, 2013, 06:47:34 PM
Arnold was a natty, that's a fact.  I know none of you will believe this, he ate and trained, that's all.

your a funny fuker,,,
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 05, 2013, 08:36:59 AM
starvation

Yup, that's what his face says.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: whitewidow on June 05, 2013, 08:52:30 AM
Huge primo junkie and he swallowed dbol like M&M's. he also used Test,Deca,anadrol,halo anything he could get he used but he started off abusing primo and anabol
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 05, 2013, 11:07:29 AM
Huge primo junkie and he swallowed dbol like M&M's. he also used Test,Deca,anadrol,halo anything he could get he used but he started off abusing primo and anabol

Yes the "taking dbol like tic tac M&M" story is more like an urban legend among old school BBers also the one that he was passing them pills around back stage (for free) while in Europe etc .... but truth is that when he lost to Zane (50lbs lighter than him) in Florida he knew he had to get lean and ripped to be the best in America, he tried everything available! but even at that age (21) he couldn't get as ripped, vascular dry although he won the Mr.O from 1970 on.... I would say the drastic dry look he finally accomplished in 1980 was more the result of the fish,egg water and heavy deca use.....  


and Starvation .....  motivated by a great urge to teach Mentzer and Zane a lesson .


AS.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 05, 2013, 11:09:31 AM
Unless he signs up here and tells us himself, we will never know.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on June 05, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
GREAT SHOTS 'RIPPED'ARNOLD ,,THOUGHT I SAW THEM ALL..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: no one on June 05, 2013, 11:24:08 AM
Exactly! he retired  in 1975 the top names back then were Oliva,Ferrigno,Katz ,Waller etc all over 240 lbs...the following years  Arnold got off the sauce, his skin was really lose for a 30 year old guy 76,77,78, specially 1979,And don't forget,by 1980 the game had changed drastically, Zane,Robinso,Dickerson,Makawi,Mentzer etc were the ones dominating  "were ripped" and under 220 lbs... So by spring 1980 not only Arnold got lean but his skin was thinner than ever!!! with striations never before seen in his prime even the split chest...... I really doubt it was the same "Formula" he applied 10 years early the early 70's.




THAT pic is an awesome example of what a great physique looks like. dont make them like that anymore. goddamn you, insulin and gh.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 05, 2013, 11:28:50 AM
Unless he signs up here and tells us himself, we will never know.


wenn Sie zwischen den Linien lasen     ;)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on June 05, 2013, 11:31:49 AM

wenn Sie zwischen den Linien lasen     ;)
SKIN ON MUSCLE DRY MAN,,,CERTAIN POSES HE WASN'T LEGENDARY ARNOLDESQUE HIS LEGS WERE DOWN,OTHERWISE HE WAS ON POINT.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: wild willie on June 05, 2013, 11:42:58 AM
I know Arnold was not at his best in 80......but the guy still looked sensational!!!
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Lord Humungous on June 05, 2013, 12:41:27 PM
rumor had it he took his Wieder protein right from Joes tap.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: falco on June 05, 2013, 12:58:19 PM
It's not about drugs it's about diet.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: OTHstrong on June 05, 2013, 01:09:50 PM
Exactly! he retired  in 1975 the top names back then were Oliva,Ferrigno,Katz ,Waller etc all over 240 lbs...the following years  Arnold got off the sauce, his skin was really lose for a 30 year old guy 76,77,78, specially 1979,And don't forget,by 1980 the game had changed drastically, Zane,Robinso,Dickerson,Makawi,Mentzer etc were the ones dominating  "were ripped" and under 220 lbs... So by spring 1980 not only Arnold got lean but his skin was thinner than ever!!! with striations never before seen in his prime even the split chest...... I really doubt it was the same "Formula" he applied 10 years early the early 70's.



looking at this pic makes me wonder how anyone could think he got a gift here. He looks flawless
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: First Blood on June 05, 2013, 01:14:16 PM
Incredible physique.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mawse on June 05, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
Yes the "taking dbol like tic tac M&M" story is more like an urban legend among old school BBers also the one that he was passing them pills around back stage (for free) while in Europe etc .... but truth is that when he lost to Zane (50lbs lighter than him) in Florida he knew he had to get lean and ripped to be the best in America, he tried everything available! but even at that age (21) he couldn't get as ripped, vascular dry although he won the Mr.O from 1970 on.... I would say the drastic dry look he finally accomplished in 1980 was more the result of the fish,egg water and heavy deca use.....  


and Starvation .....  motivated by a great urge to teach Mentzer and Zane a lesson .


AS.

LOL!! And what the fuck would you know about what he did to get lean? You're a 400lb cave troll who's specialized subject is paying she-beasts to poop on you in motel rooms.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: nolotil on June 05, 2013, 02:17:44 PM
arnie
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: nolotil on June 05, 2013, 02:26:00 PM
more

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Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 05, 2013, 02:29:29 PM
STRANGE A.S. PROTEIN SERIES IS NOT AROUND ANYMORE.YOU THINK HE WOULD BE LEADER IN SUPP INDUSTRY,,,THAT WAS A WEIDER PRODUCT WITH ARNOLD LOGO SLAPPED ON IT,,,


That's not a Weider product.  Its a protein mix that's made in Germany made my AminoVit.  The stuff is actually still made and sold exclusively in Europe.  Arnold was able to get a deal with AminoVit because Weider products at the time were only available in Canada and U.S.  Not a bad way to make some extra cash

(http://www.bbclub.gr/photos/products/thumbs_large/57_aminovit.jpg)



Arnold has other strange endorsements on products most people don't know about.  He endorses an energy drink with nicotine in Japan



Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: nolotil on June 05, 2013, 02:32:20 PM
...
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on June 05, 2013, 02:33:10 PM

That's not a Weider product.  Its a protein mix that's made in Germany made my AminoVit.  The stuff is actually still made and sold exclusively in Europe.  Arnold was able to get a deal with AminoVit because Weider products at the time were only available in Canada and U.S.  Not a bad way to make some extra cash

(http://www.bbclub.gr/photos/products/thumbs_large/57_aminovit.jpg)


THANKS VINCE ...COOL,,GOOD FOR ARNIE,,,
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 05, 2013, 02:52:51 PM
LOL!! And what the fuck would you know about what he did to get lean? You're a 400lb cave troll who's specialized subject is paying she-beasts to poop on you in motel rooms.


 Sie konnten wirklich überrascht werden   ;)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: 240 is Back on June 05, 2013, 02:57:38 PM
pic of arnold with moon face?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: LanceD on June 05, 2013, 08:43:39 PM
Arnold's secret, train 8-10 hours a day and get enemas regular, helped him get ripped. Other than that, beer on off days, pussy after post training nap...your welcome.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: AbrahamG on June 05, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
In 1980, After 5 years break he came back leaner than ever ,  what drugs you think  he was on ? 


Looked great and very athletic.




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

D-bol and lasix.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: arce1988 on June 05, 2013, 11:12:13 PM
 
  Iris Kyle


  She does not eat carbs and she does two hours of cardio every day


  She starves    she suffers  she is miserable



  Galeniko was right
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: whitewidow on June 06, 2013, 01:36:39 AM
Yes the "taking dbol like tic tac M&M" story is more like an urban legend among old school BBers also the one that he was passing them pills around back stage (for free) while in Europe etc .... but truth is that when he lost to Zane (50lbs lighter than him) in Florida he knew he had to get lean and ripped to be the best in America, he tried everything available! but even at that age (21) he couldn't get as ripped, vascular dry although he won the Mr.O from 1970 on.... I would say the drastic dry look he finally accomplished in 1980 was more the result of the fish,egg water and heavy deca use.....  


and Starvation .....  motivated by a great urge to teach Mentzer and Zane a lesson .


AS.

Pretty sure he took a good amount of dbol especially when he was young. dianabol was the most popular drug. to say he didn't take alot of dbol is incorrect! he popped alot of dbol but back then dbol was cleaner and might not of made one bloat like the underground lab dbol going around today or the dbol that is misslabled and is really methyl-testosterone,none of this shit went on back then. You could buy high quality dbol like you could buy a can of pepsi. It very well could be possible the more he cycled the more he realized dbol produced some water retention and he might of altered his cycles but to say Arnold did not take a shit load of dbol is false. he ate dbol pills for breakfast lunch and dinner but of course with a meal.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2013, 01:51:48 AM
It does not matter if you don't have the genes then lights out. How many people have tried? I have clue just saying take all the drugs you want most will never be be Mr O. Close but no Cigar.

Being mr O doesn't mean u have the best genetics in this era look at cutler for example, is he better than flex, Chris, victor , dex in terms of genes? Nope

U got branch winning Arnold classics now , enough said  :D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: OTHstrong on June 06, 2013, 01:58:04 AM
Being mr O doesn't mean u have the best genetics in this era look at cutler for example, is he better than flex, Chris, victor , dex in terms of genes? Nope

U got branch winning Arnold classics now , enough said  :D
genetics in terms of shape, yes you are right but genetics are a number of things like;

Your genetics response to the hormones- aas, gh, slin etc

Your genetics on how lean your body can get like Andreas Munzer, everyone can get to 4 but it takes genetics to go below this.

Your genetic shape

and your genetic structure

Jay has the structure and the response on his side
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2013, 02:05:04 AM
genetics in terms of shape, yes you are right but genetics are a number of things like;

Your genetics response to the hormones- aas, gh, slin etc

Your genetics on how lean your body can get like Andreas Munzer, everyone can get to 4 but it takes genetics to go below this.

Your genetic shape

and your genetic structure

Jay has the structure and the response on his side

I agree but u think jay has good structure? Still think Vic is much better , a number of guys I named is much better than jay including levrone who was the king of response .

Jay in 2001 and 09 is amazing though but shape , structure I think loses to those guys but the ability to pack on mass on a 5'8 frame he beats a lot of the others esp flex
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: OTHstrong on June 06, 2013, 02:09:36 AM
I agree but u think jay has good structure? Still think Vic is much better , a number of guys I named is much better than jay including levrone who was the king of response .

Jay in 2001 and 09 is amazing though but shape , structure I think loses to those guys but the ability to pack on mass on a 5'8 frame he beats a lot of the others esp flex
Victor has tremendous shape and Jay has nothing on him but Jay has one of the best structures in the biz and even better then Ronnie. He is wide as fuck and hips are still relatively small. Small ankles, elbows and risks, for sure Jay beats the ones who you mentioned in structure, remember structure does not mean shape
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2013, 02:16:35 AM
Victor has tremendous shape and Jay has nothing on him but Jay has one of the best structures in the biz and even better then Ronnie. He is wide as fuck and hips are still relatively small. Small ankles, elbows and risks, for sure Jay beats the ones who you mentioned in structure, remember structure does not mean shape

Still think Cormier had one of the best structure even better than Jay , Chris was more complete than flex and even the later years of levrone. But I see what u mean about jay :D

Regarding Arnold did he ever have a drug guru like all of these guys now?? Who was in charge of prepping Arnold for shows??
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: OTHstrong on June 06, 2013, 03:50:12 AM
Still think Cormier had one of the best structure even better than Jay , Chris was more complete than flex and even the later years of levrone. But I see what u mean about jay :D

Regarding Arnold did he ever have a drug guru like all of these guys now?? Who was in charge of prepping Arnold for shows??
Structure is not known until guys come off the gear, then you can tell. For example Ronnie, man he has a horrible structure and Levrone too, he shrinks to nothing, he is a 185 lb twig, Cormier not so much but still is under 200lb off gear and , Jay on the other hand would still be big, his structure would not allow him to ever be under 200lb.

As for Arnold not having a guru, Arnold was the guru himself, he had everything money can buy and he studied everything and lived the sport fanatically.

Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on July 07, 2013, 01:01:43 PM
This.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: _bruce_ on July 07, 2013, 02:56:33 PM
...

Leave Sweede out of this.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on July 07, 2013, 03:06:32 PM
Arnold just lifted drugs.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 07, 2013, 03:27:54 PM
Back then most androgens (test, etc) were kept low (during contest prep), anabolics were fairly high. Diets were high protein, fairly high fats and little carbs. Ever wonder how these guys were so ripped back then as compared to now?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2013, 03:50:24 PM
Arnold was always hungry while dieting.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 07, 2013, 06:46:17 PM
Some of you guys are fucking clueless!  Arnold took whatever existed back then.  And EVERYTHING was available anywhere in any amount.  Everyone knew Arnold had to take twice what Sergio was taking just to compete with him.  Arnold was great but Sergio was one of the most gifted  bodybuilders to ever step on stage. 
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 07, 2013, 07:26:36 PM
Back then most androgens (test, etc) were kept low (during contest prep), anabolics were fairly high. Diets were high protein, fairly high fats and little carbs. Ever wonder how these guys were so ripped back then as compared to now?

This could be it. Now all this crap is just counterfeit labeled high androgen testosterone and everyone thinks they are getting anabolic steroids. I would bet money just about no one can get true Dianabol, Androl 50, Winstrol, Anavar or Deca like these guys took. All of this crap being sold from the trunk of the local gym drug dealer is just crap testosterone variations sold and counterfeit labeled like it's legit. Wouldn't doubt if the material used to make it or the whole package is coming out of China.

One thing almost everyone is missing is that he trained for a contest splitting his body in half training with volume. That in itself burns the fat off. Everyone who has ever seen him in a gym said he trained like an animal. 
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Schmoff on July 07, 2013, 07:28:32 PM
weed and lots lots of pussy

Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hardgainerj on July 07, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
...
a wee toto  ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: NotMrAverage on July 07, 2013, 08:04:46 PM
Good thread! Arnold was epic lean here. And skinny. And mr O.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: cswol on July 07, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
you can say arnold did it both ways, he was the biggest at his peak, then he took it to the zane level and beat those guys at their own game, so its never been done by any mr. olympia except arnold, to be the biggest, and then to be leaner and the most cut, and win the olympia both ways, thats why he is the best ever, or #1 all time!
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: NotMrAverage on July 07, 2013, 08:14:05 PM
True. He did swing both ways  ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: cswol on July 07, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
NMA..........i know bro, thats the one thing i hated about arnold, never wanted to shine the light on that part of his career, but yes its true.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 07, 2013, 09:10:45 PM
Some of you guys are fucking clueless!  Arnold took whatever existed back then.  And EVERYTHING was available anywhere in any amount.  Everyone knew Arnold had to take twice what Sergio was taking just to compete with him.  Arnold was great but Sergio was one of the most gifted  bodybuilders to ever step on stage. 

Were you bodybuilding during that period? I was, also knew the Dr's that he was getting it from. Almost everyone was low androgens.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: wild willie on July 07, 2013, 10:27:39 PM
sergio was sensational......but arnold was better......better arms, chest, calves and conditioning......not to mention a much better poser.


what a clueless statement to make.......to say that arnold had to take twice the amount sergio took!


Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: missile on July 08, 2013, 01:06:49 AM
Superior A.r.y.a.n genetics.

x2
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: cswol on July 08, 2013, 08:05:23 AM
arnold would often go to germany, at that time they had the most up to date and vast array of anabolics
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 08, 2013, 10:07:24 AM
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH !

I want that stack he was taking !



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: cswol on July 08, 2013, 10:10:05 AM
everyone claims arnold shouldnt have won the 80 olympia, when you go back and look at the pics and scans, its obvious no one had the cuts and muslce density he had, and at 220 he still outsized everyone on stage.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: _bruce_ on July 08, 2013, 10:58:34 AM
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH !

I want that stack he was taking !



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Looked fantastic - extremely full and had that ripple look pushing through his skin.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Bam-bam on July 08, 2013, 11:04:55 AM
he was a little drier and thats it, maybe diuretics

(http://spotmebro.com/spotmebrotest/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Arnold-Flexing.jpg)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on July 08, 2013, 12:13:46 PM
Arnold was a natty, that's a fact.  I know none of you will believe this, he ate and trained, that's all.

Yeah, and you're mother is a virgin!
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 31, 2013, 01:54:58 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=486621.0;attach=528261;image)

No further questions   ....     ;D


WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on July 31, 2013, 02:10:15 PM
he was a little drier and thats it, maybe diuretics

(http://spotmebro.com/spotmebrotest/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Arnold-Flexing.jpg)
PIC IS NUTZ,,,
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Borracho on July 31, 2013, 06:45:20 PM
Exactly! he retired  in 1975 the top names back then were Oliva,Ferrigno,Katz ,Waller etc all over 240 lbs...the following years  Arnold got off the sauce, his skin was really lose for a 30 year old guy 76,77,78, specially 1979,And don't forget,by 1980 the game had changed drastically, Zane,Robinso,Dickerson,Makawi,Mentzer etc were the ones dominating  "were ripped" and under 220 lbs... So by spring 1980 not only Arnold got lean but his skin was thinner than ever!!! with striations never before seen in his prime even the split chest...... I really doubt it was the same "Formula" he applied 10 years early the early 70's.




(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520754;image)

Damn!

Hadn't seen him this shredded before.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Oblique on July 31, 2013, 06:47:25 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520754;image)

Damn!

Hadn't seen him this shredded before.

I got a poster of that shot. Black and White. Very cool.

They used to sell them in M&F back in the day.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Kwon_2 on July 31, 2013, 06:50:10 PM
Lakers
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Borracho on July 31, 2013, 06:53:24 PM
oh i seen vid backstage of olympia,he been peeled, increibly good leanness and all.

as for what drugs he took, well he wrote a book and tells it there

u see this elfs ,,,,look of tren/masteron combination lol

I got a poster of that shot. Black and White. Very cool.

They used to sell them in M&F back in the day.

The girls must love it when they come over  ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Borracho on July 31, 2013, 06:55:58 PM
yeah he took those before they even existed ;D

obviously he had connections with extraterrestrial underground labs  ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: O.Z. on July 31, 2013, 06:56:33 PM
you can say arnold did it both ways, he was the biggest at his peak, then he took it to the zane level and beat those guys at their own game, so its never been done by any mr. olympia except arnold, to be the biggest, and then to be leaner and the most cut, and win the olympia both ways, thats why he is the best ever, or #1 all time!



I agree with this and yes he is the best ever IMO
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: no one on August 01, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
PIC IS NUTZ,,,


look at the size of his unflexed arm. thats crazy.

arnold was THE MAN.

even at his most shredded he was impressive. in that shredded pic above i wouldnt be surprised if he was lower 220's.

guy could look good at any bf / dryness. gotta have a very good build to pull that off.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on August 01, 2013, 12:11:01 PM
Exactly, who else can look massive and a complete bodybuilder at such a low bodyweight, you see 220lb guys walking round all the time who don't have anywhere near that size or developent.

look at the size of his unflexed arm. thats crazy.

arnold was THE MAN.

even at his most shredded he was impressive. in that shredded pic above i wouldnt be surprised if he was lower 220's.

guy could look good at any bf / dryness. gotta have a very good build to pull that off.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on August 01, 2013, 12:19:15 PM
Exactly, who else can look massive and a complete bodybuilder at such a low bodyweight, you see 220lb guys walking round all the time who don't have anywhere near that size or developent.
massive split chest,diced arms,abs/intercostals shredded,back wide and separated top to bottom,lower back lumbar showing a look he never had,legs were slender that was one part off,calves always good looked usual ...1980 he looked great...
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: dyslexic on August 01, 2013, 12:32:08 PM
everyone claims arnold shouldnt have won the 80 olympia, when you go back and look at the pics and scans, its obvious no one had the cuts and muslce density he had, and at 220 he still outsized everyone on stage.

Arnold most definitely was NOT as cut/sliced or diced or even filled-out as the rest of the competition. Mentzer and Zane were insane that day. So were many others ~
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Primemuscle on August 01, 2013, 12:35:46 PM
In 1980, After 5 years break he came back leaner than ever ,  what drugs you think  he was on ? 


Looked great and very athletic.




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The drug often referred to as "youth" I would guess.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on August 01, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
 8)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on August 30, 2013, 11:26:01 AM
Boy Arnold was dry in 1980  I wonder what his BF  was !




WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: BRO on August 30, 2013, 11:30:37 AM
Surprising with how open Arnold is on steroids, that there wasn't detailed cycle info in his encyclopedia.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on August 30, 2013, 11:53:17 AM
Arnold most definitely was NOT as cut/sliced or diced or even filled-out as the rest of the competition. Mentzer and Zane were insane that day. So were many others ~

No Mentzer and Zane look great in 79, in 1980 they looked like shit
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on August 30, 2013, 06:48:37 PM
There's just something about those shots from the 80 Olympia that Arnold looks off... Off in general, and not in his early 70s form.
well yes he was lighter ,but hardfest he's ever been,better diet for the era needed to win copared to 5 yrs earlier,less full/bloat from probably certain drugs he used early 70's to what he was on to get in shape in 80.either way he was peeled and still enough size to win.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on August 30, 2013, 07:18:52 PM
No Mentzer and Zane look great in 79, in 1980 they looked like shit

In 1980, Menzer was addicted to speed and Zane still wasn't fully recovered from an injury.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 11, 2013, 05:48:58 AM
Good thread! Arnold was epic lean here. And skinny. And mr O.



Finally........  This !



WOOOSSSSSHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 11, 2013, 07:16:36 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520754;image)

Damn!

Hadn't seen him this shredded before.
[/size]

WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Borracho on October 11, 2013, 07:44:26 AM
^

You taking that?

http://prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients.asp?n=7a-Methyl-estra-4-en-3%2C17-dione+%28Mentabolan%2C+MENT%2C+7-MENT%29&i=215

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/192303-mentabolan.html

I hate how they put any label they want on this stuff.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on October 11, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
In 1980, After 5 years break he came back leaner than ever ,  what drugs you think  he was on ? 


Looked great and very athletic.




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It was called running, which he did A LOT of in the late 70's, getting down to 199 pounds. He was somewhere between 212 and 220 in this pic. Lean from tons of cardio and weight training.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 20, 2014, 06:12:46 AM
This is how I like to remember Arnold !

What was he taking that got him so ripped ?  after 5 years off?

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520870;image)




WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on March 20, 2014, 06:32:27 AM
This is how I like to remember Arnold !

What was he taking that got him so ripped ?  after 5 years off?

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520870;image)




WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHH
FOR being so 'small'lol as was being made,the conditioning was what made that look he has so cool for that show,he 'zaned'himself with his trademark bodyparts freakier conditioned than older look 74/75
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 20, 2014, 10:32:56 AM
W ;D ;D ;D ;DSHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Skorp1o on March 20, 2014, 10:54:20 AM
This is how I like to remember Arnold !

What was he taking that got him so ripped ?  after 5 years off?

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520870;image)




WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHH


Parabolan of peace

(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/44110d1302889470-old-vets-what-parabolan-like-parabolan-box.jpg)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Rami on March 20, 2014, 10:56:08 AM
I wonder where did Arnold got the science of drugs and show preparations from. Wasn't he one of the first to use HGH?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 20, 2014, 05:08:21 PM
I wonder where did Arnold got the science of drugs and show preparations from. Wasn't he one of the first to use HGH?

Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 20, 2014, 05:09:27 PM
 ;D


WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 20, 2014, 05:27:16 PM
1974?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 20, 2014, 05:29:11 PM
1975
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 20, 2014, 05:30:42 PM
1980
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 21, 2014, 07:01:07 AM
woosssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on March 21, 2014, 07:31:23 AM
In 1980, After 5 years break he came back leaner than ever ,  what drugs you think  he was on ? 


Looked great and very athletic.




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


At that time period , everyone was pretty much using methamphedamines or ephedrine as they were cheap and legal to get from a doctor. 
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 07:39:16 AM

 Sie konnten wirklich überrascht werden   ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520899;image)

Speaking German ? Arnold ? Is that you?


WooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on May 13, 2014, 08:13:33 AM

Parabolan of peace

(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/44110d1302889470-old-vets-what-parabolan-like-parabolan-box.jpg)


Was great stuff!  I saved an amp/box I did not use from the early 90's.  Parabolan literally turned heavy weight into styrofoam.  Good times.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on May 13, 2014, 08:18:14 AM
1974?

Yes.  Bruno Sammartino sitting in the front row.

(http://cdn.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/bruno-sammartino-wwe.png)

(http://www.extralucha.com/wwe-fotos-images-smackdown-raw/2013/03/Bruno-y-Arnold.jpg)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: no one on May 13, 2014, 08:25:27 AM
1974?

imo this is the best pic of him ever.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on May 13, 2014, 08:28:45 AM
Absolutely insane hardness, conditioning and separation, the deep level of definition pisses over any of todays guys.


 
;D


WOOOSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on May 13, 2014, 08:31:50 AM
imo this is the best pic of him ever.

I think this one is right up there too...

(http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/arnold/Arnold258-12.jpg)

Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: no one on May 13, 2014, 08:35:23 AM
I think this one is right up there too...

(http://cdn-w.musculardevelopment.com/photos/arnold/Arnold258-12.jpg)



man him and serge nubret. they were bbing.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 02:45:18 PM
What would you say was his BF % during most of the year 1980 ?


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520732;image)


Woooshhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 13, 2014, 02:45:54 PM
What would you say was his BF % during most of the year 1980 ?


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520732;image)


Woooshhhhhhhhhhhh
8
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 02:50:24 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 02:53:10 PM
8


Imagine being 8 % BF for an entire year !  Arnold  sure knew what he was doing .
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
 :)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 02:55:09 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 13, 2014, 02:57:53 PM

Imagine being 8 % BF for an entire year !  Arnold  sure knew what he was doing .
just didnt eat too much, not rocket science
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Icelord on May 13, 2014, 03:18:52 PM
Don't care for him that lean.

I think this was his best presentation ever in terms of mass and conditioning:

(http://zinemaniacos.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/t1-0011l.jpg)
(http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/reviews/the_terminator/image1full.jpg)
(http://www.jamescamerononline.com/griffithloc1.jpg)
(http://chelloveck.sfblogs.net/files/2011/02/Terminator-puppet.jpg)


Must've been at least 250-260 there.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on May 13, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
Must've been at least 250-260 there.
I'm the biggest Arnold fan out there, but no way was he pushing anywhere near 250. Probably around 230. He just looked big for his weight which you just don't see anymore.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on May 13, 2014, 05:35:11 PM
COMMANDO/PREADTOR/RED HEAT/FEW SCENES'TWINS'TERMINATOR OPENING SCENE,,,HIS BUILD LOOKED BEST IN THESE..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 13, 2014, 05:40:08 PM
In 1980, After 5 years break he came back leaner than ever ,  what drugs you think  he was on ? 


Looked great and very athletic.




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

He ran several miles a day in the late 70's/early 80's, reducing his offseason bodyweight from 250-260 to 199 pounds. He slowly gained some of that back in the 80's, starting with Conan the Barbarian, but even during the filming of that movie he was between 212-220 pounds. He beefed up in 1984 to 240 pounds for The Terminator. He would never see that bodyweight again. By the early 1990's he was back down to 210-215 pounds. Today, a much shorter man (by close to 3"), I wonder was he weighs.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Icelord on May 13, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
I'm the biggest Arnold fan out there, but no way was he pushing anywhere near 250. Probably around 230. He just looked big for his weight which you just don't see anymore.
I find that hard to believe. I'm 225 and nowhere near as muscular as he was there. His lats and arms are fucking huge, and his legs weren't bad. C'mon man, he was a true 6' in that movie. No way he was less than 250-260.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 13, 2014, 05:41:19 PM
Don't care for him that lean.

I think this was his best presentation ever in terms of mass and conditioning:

(http://zinemaniacos.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/t1-0011l.jpg)
(http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/reviews/the_terminator/image1full.jpg)
(http://www.jamescamerononline.com/griffithloc1.jpg)
(http://chelloveck.sfblogs.net/files/2011/02/Terminator-puppet.jpg)


Must've been at least 250-260 there.

Nope, he was 240 pounds for Terminator 1. I have the Flex magazine from December 1984, where he states he bulked up to 240 pounds for the role. For T2 he was 215 pounds.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Icelord on May 13, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
He ran several miles a day in the late 70's/early 80's, reducing his offseason bodyweight from 250-260 to 199 pounds. He slowly gained some of that back in the 80's, starting with Conan the Barbarian, but even during the filming of that movie he was between 212-220 pounds. He beefed up in 1984 to 240 pounds for The Terminator. He would never see that bodyweight again. By the early 1990's he was back down to 210-215 pounds. Today, a much shorter man (by close to 3"), I wonder was he weighs.
He was very big in Twins (1989).

(http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/Twins-640x360.jpg)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Icelord on May 13, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Nope, he was 240 pounds for Terminator 1. I have the Flex magazine from December 1984, where he states he bulked up to 240 pounds for the role. For T2 he was 215 pounds.
That's only 10lbs less than what I said. Reasonable guess on my part.

Anyone suggesting he's 225-30 is insane.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 13, 2014, 05:44:37 PM
He was very big in Twins (1989).

(http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/Twins-640x360.jpg)

Twins was out in 1988 and he was 230 pounds.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Icelord on May 13, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
He was bigger than Twins in Predator the previous year.

(http://ilarge.listal.com/image/5427517/968full-predator-screenshot.jpg)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on May 13, 2014, 05:48:03 PM
He was bigger than Twins in Predator the previous year.

(http://ilarge.listal.com/image/5427517/968full-predator-screenshot.jpg)
YEP..COMMANDO MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOTAL LEAN/SIZE/ILLUSION IN MOVIES HE SPORTED...
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 13, 2014, 05:49:10 PM
He was also pretty massive in The Running Man (1987)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Icelord on May 13, 2014, 05:50:06 PM
Safe to say he juiced until 1988 for roles.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 13, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
He was bigger than Twins in Predator the previous year.

(http://ilarge.listal.com/image/5427517/968full-predator-screenshot.jpg)

He actually was bigger in The Running Man in 1987 than he was in Predator (I provided the pics above). He about as lean/cut in Predator as he was in Commando (1985).
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on May 13, 2014, 05:53:48 PM
COMMANDO BAD ASS..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: dyslexic on May 13, 2014, 05:55:26 PM

  Iris Kyle


  She does not eat carbs and she does two hours of cardio every day


  She starves    she suffers  she is miserable



  Galeniko was right


So many people JUST DON'T KNOW what these competitors go through. I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's bitter-sweet.

When you are standing on that stage under the lights and you have gone meticulously and consistently through your contest prep THE WAY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO... it is what is called a "near death experience" ~ yes, you are elated, especially if you are in the top 5 (REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHOW YOU ARE DOING) and you feel like you are dying.

If you end up placing even higher than the Top 5, you get a rush of adrenaline. Now, where that comes from nobody knows. Is it stored somewhere? The drugs have already done their job. Maybe it's the last of a Vic or a Perc that you popped?

It's the one last shred of ANYTHING you have left in you.


I wonder how many here have seen committed bodybuilders during EVERY STEP of their contest prep? I'm talking the 3 cardio sessions a day, where maybe you are watching their kid for them (Female or Male contender) and then the workouts, the borrowing of the gym's refrigerator so that they can eat the measly little bit of Talapia and Broccoli that they might have. At this point, there is no rice, no sweet potato, no Oatmeal, which would be considered a HUGE TREAT at this time.

They look at you, you can see that haven't been sleeping. They are starving. They still push out their cardio sessions. Sometimes the cardio is continued with bloody nose, or only God knows what, and they push. Unstoppable.

Regulars in the gym don't know what to think. They don't understand what they are seeing.

All that work. All that time. They literally LIVE AT THE GYM...

and the rest of us sit back and go "Oh, it's the drugs... I could be just like that if I did the same thing..." LMAO



NO, you couldn't.


[rant][/end rant]


I have 3 competitors right now who are gasping from a National Qualifier. Anyone in California knows exactly which show I'm talking about.

two more smaller shows coming up....


You wanna talk about the reality of a plastic trophy here?


Anyone here know where I'm coming from (even though I'm going off???) lol ~
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Icelord on May 13, 2014, 05:56:08 PM
COMMANDO BAD ASS..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on May 13, 2014, 05:58:55 PM

So many people JUST DON'T KNOW what these competitors go through. I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's bitter-sweet.

When you are standing on that stage under the lights and you have gone meticulously and consistently through your contest prep THE WAY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO... it is what is called a "near death experience" ~ yes, you are elated, especially if you are in the top 5 (REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHOW YOU ARE DOING) and you feel like you are dying.

If you end up placing even higher than the Top 5, you get a rush of adrenaline. Now, where that comes from nobody knows. Is it stored somewhere? The drugs have already done their job. Maybe it's the last of a Vic or a Perc that you popped?

It's the one last shred of ANYTHING you have left in you.


I wonder how many here have seen committed bodybuilders during EVERY STEP of their contest prep? I'm talking the 3 cardio sessions a day, where maybe you are watching their kid for them (Female or Male contender) and then the workouts, the borrowing of the gym's refrigerator so that they can eat the measly little bit of Talapia and Broccoli that they might have. At this point, there is no rice, no sweet potato, no Oatmeal, which would be considered a HUGE TREAT at this time.

They look at you, you can see that haven't been sleeping. They are starving. They still push out their cardio sessions. Sometimes the cardio is continued with bloody nose, or only God knows what, and they push. Unstoppable.

Regulars in the gym don't know what to think. They don't understand what they are seeing.

All that work. All that time. They literally LIVE AT THE GYM...

and the rest of us sit back and go "Oh, it's the drugs... I could be just like that if I did the same thing..." LMAO



NO, you couldn't.


[rant][/end rant]


I have 3 competitors right now who are gasping from a National Qualifier. Anyone in California knows exactly which show I'm talking about.

two more smaller shows coming up....


You wanna talk about the reality of a plastic trophy here?


Anyone here know where I'm coming from (even though I'm going off???) lol ~
I POSTED A PIC IN NAVY_MIKES THREAD WHERE I WAS DRY TO BONE AND WAS FEELING IT..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 06:44:36 PM
Although he was dehydrated and almost fainted twice during filming of Predator (he even went to see a doctor)

his leanest (lower BF) for a moviel roll was in Red Heat

Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 06:46:09 PM
RED HEAT
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 06:47:27 PM
RED HEAT
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
Red Heat
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Icelord on May 13, 2014, 06:54:40 PM
Although he was dehydrated and almost fainted twice during filming of Predator (he even went to see a doctor)

his leanest (lower BF) for a moviel roll was in Red Heat


Was probably because of the tropical heat than his conditioning.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 06:58:08 PM
Nope, he was 240 pounds for Terminator 1. I have the Flex magazine from December 1984, where he states he bulked up to 240 pounds for the role. For T2 he was 215 pounds.


For Terminator he was 236 lbs....

His heaviest has been Conan the Destroyer, at the beginning of film Arnold was 236 same as T1, at the end I think he was 241 lbs. (he gained 5 lbs of lean mass) and you can really notice it if you have the dvd specially the scene where he is fighting the monster with the infamous horn .



Woooshhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 06:58:48 PM
Was probably because of the tropical heat than his conditioning.


Exactly.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 13, 2014, 07:02:58 PM
Here is Arnold T1 at 236 lbs

And then Conan the Destroyer at 241 lbs
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on May 13, 2014, 07:41:54 PM
In 1980, After 5 years break he came back leaner than ever ,  what drugs you think  he was on ? 


Looked great and very athletic.




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Amphedamines....they were prescribed to bodybuilders just like their steroids back in the 70's
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: BigRo on May 13, 2014, 07:55:33 PM

So many people JUST DON'T KNOW what these competitors go through. I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's bitter-sweet.

When you are standing on that stage under the lights and you have gone meticulously and consistently through your contest prep THE WAY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO... it is what is called a "near death experience" ~ yes, you are elated, especially if you are in the top 5 (REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHOW YOU ARE DOING) and you feel like you are dying.

If you end up placing even higher than the Top 5, you get a rush of adrenaline. Now, where that comes from nobody knows. Is it stored somewhere? The drugs have already done their job. Maybe it's the last of a Vic or a Perc that you popped?

It's the one last shred of ANYTHING you have left in you.


I wonder how many here have seen committed bodybuilders during EVERY STEP of their contest prep? I'm talking the 3 cardio sessions a day, where maybe you are watching their kid for them (Female or Male contender) and then the workouts, the borrowing of the gym's refrigerator so that they can eat the measly little bit of Talapia and Broccoli that they might have. At this point, there is no rice, no sweet potato, no Oatmeal, which would be considered a HUGE TREAT at this time.

They look at you, you can see that haven't been sleeping. They are starving. They still push out their cardio sessions. Sometimes the cardio is continued with bloody nose, or only God knows what, and they push. Unstoppable.

Regulars in the gym don't know what to think. They don't understand what they are seeing.

All that work. All that time. They literally LIVE AT THE GYM...

and the rest of us sit back and go "Oh, it's the drugs... I could be just like that if I did the same thing..." LMAO



NO, you couldn't.


[rant][/end rant]


I have 3 competitors right now who are gasping from a National Qualifier. Anyone in California knows exactly which show I'm talking about.

two more smaller shows coming up....


You wanna talk about the reality of a plastic trophy here?


Anyone here know where I'm coming from (even though I'm going off???) lol ~

I do not agree with your mentality here that unless you feel close to death after living on tilapia and broccoli and doing 3hrs of cardio a day your not true bodybuilda. Come on man. Of course if your not suffering pre contest somethings wrong but to make it the main sign of physical perfection is warped sir.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on May 13, 2014, 08:49:09 PM
Twins was out in 1988 and he was 230 pounds.

He was 210 pounds for both "Twins" and "Red Heat"
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: dyslexic on May 13, 2014, 10:37:42 PM
I do not agree with your mentality here that unless you feel close to death after living on tilapia and broccoli and doing 3hrs of cardio a day your not true bodybuilda. Come on man. Of course if your not suffering pre contest somethings wrong but to make it the main sign of physical perfection is warped sir.


I think you may have mis-read or misunderstood what perspective I was taking.


It's cool. A lot get's lost in translation.


And I agree with your last statement. I am a third party. I don't claim to be a "guru" but I do what I can to help these "kids" stay safe during and after their contests. And by "kids" I mean '30 somethings' ~

The near death experience when dried out and possibly having used more, when more was not necessary... among other things...

I'll drop that for now. It get's to in depth.


Now, before and after these contests I am also dealing with multiple photographers in the gym... before and after. These competitors talk about how they are feeling and how they felt. Some are standing there with a plastic trophy trying to explain to me how it's not the trophy, it's something they want to look back on...


Problem is; if they keep it up... someone else may be looking back on it instead.


This is a world that I thrive in. I know that there are a lot of people here that do also. People will disagree with mis-chosen words, or they will know exactly what message I am attempting to convey.


And the irony? The irony is that I love seeing a muscular body that looks like an anatomy chart with a thin layer of Saran Wrap on it. So, what does that make me?


A schmoe? A thong-jockey lover? I actually like seeing the females shredded up more than the dudes. The females are always cool. The dudes always seem to have a severe attitude malfunction and can't handle their placings. The females are much more gracious. Not sure why that is....


Oh well... rambling again. My trademark.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Primemuscle on May 13, 2014, 10:53:30 PM
He ran several miles a day in the late 70's/early 80's, reducing his offseason bodyweight from 250-260 to 199 pounds. He slowly gained some of that back in the 80's, starting with Conan the Barbarian, but even during the filming of that movie he was between 212-220 pounds. He beefed up in 1984 to 240 pounds for The Terminator. He would never see that bodyweight again. By the early 1990's he was back down to 210-215 pounds. Today, a much shorter man (by close to 3"), I wonder was he weighs.


Wow. Arnold must have suffered a lot of spinal compression. I thought I was doing poorly with a loss of about 1 1/2 inches in height over the years. I am happy to say I am almost back down to what I weighed when I was 18 years old. My waist is still 2" larger though. I guess I need to work on that.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Primemuscle on May 13, 2014, 10:59:19 PM

So many people JUST DON'T KNOW what these competitors go through. I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's bitter-sweet.

When you are standing on that stage under the lights and you have gone meticulously and consistently through your contest prep THE WAY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO... it is what is called a "near death experience" ~ yes, you are elated, especially if you are in the top 5 (REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHOW YOU ARE DOING) and you feel like you are dying.

If you end up placing even higher than the Top 5, you get a rush of adrenaline. Now, where that comes from nobody knows. Is it stored somewhere? The drugs have already done their job. Maybe it's the last of a Vic or a Perc that you popped?

It's the one last shred of ANYTHING you have left in you.


I wonder how many here have seen committed bodybuilders during EVERY STEP of their contest prep? I'm talking the 3 cardio sessions a day, where maybe you are watching their kid for them (Female or Male contender) and then the workouts, the borrowing of the gym's refrigerator so that they can eat the measly little bit of Talapia and Broccoli that they might have. At this point, there is no rice, no sweet potato, no Oatmeal, which would be considered a HUGE TREAT at this time.

They look at you, you can see that haven't been sleeping. They are starving. They still push out their cardio sessions. Sometimes the cardio is continued with bloody nose, or only God knows what, and they push. Unstoppable.

Regulars in the gym don't know what to think. They don't understand what they are seeing.

All that work. All that time. They literally LIVE AT THE GYM...

and the rest of us sit back and go "Oh, it's the drugs... I could be just like that if I did the same thing..." LMAO



NO, you couldn't.


[rant][/end rant]


I have 3 competitors right now who are gasping from a National Qualifier. Anyone in California knows exactly which show I'm talking about.

two more smaller shows coming up....


You wanna talk about the reality of a plastic trophy here?


Anyone here know where I'm coming from (even though I'm going off???) lol ~

Bodybuilding for me has always been about being healthier. There is no way in hell, I would ever have competed given what competitors go through. The possibility of a trophy and a little cash or if lucky a lucrative endorsement is just not worth it to me. Truth is, people outside the bodybuilding world, which is most people, probably think most bodybuilders are just freaks anyway.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: ESFitness on May 13, 2014, 11:08:42 PM

I think you may have mis-read or misunderstood what perspective I was taking.


It's cool. A lot get's lost in translation.


And I agree with your last statement. I am a third party. I don't claim to be a "guru" but I do what I can to help these "kids" stay safe during and after their contests. And by "kids" I mean '30 somethings' ~

The near death experience when dried out and possibly having used more, when more was not necessary... among other things...

I'll drop that for now. It get's to in depth.


Now, before and after these contests I am also dealing with multiple photographers in the gym... before and after. These competitors talk about how they are feeling and how they felt. Some are standing there with a plastic trophy trying to explain to me how it's not the trophy, it's something they want to look back on...


Problem is; if they keep it up... someone else may be looking back on it instead.


This is a world that I thrive in. I know that there are a lot of people here that do also. People will disagree with mis-chosen words, or they will know exactly what message I am attempting to convey.


And the irony? The irony is that I love seeing a muscular body that looks like an anatomy chart with a thin layer of Saran Wrap on it. So, what does that make me?


A schmoe? A thong-jockey lover? I actually like seeing the females shredded up more than the dudes. The females are always cool. The dudes always seem to have a severe attitude malfunction and can't handle their placings. The females are much more gracious. Not sure why that is....


Oh well... rambling again. My trademark.

I dunno abou tthat... I have the exact opposite experience. the women are split personality psycho's with hair-triggers.

a man has many years to learn how to behave with androgens in his bloodstream, even many times the 'normal' level... women don't. give a girl androgens and introduce stress (dieting for a show.. pressure to not embarrass herself onstage, ect..) and you have a volatile mix.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: dyslexic on May 14, 2014, 12:11:20 AM
I dunno abou tthat... I have the exact opposite experience. the women are split personality psycho's with hair-triggers.

a man has many years to learn how to behave with androgens in his bloodstream, even many times the 'normal' level... women don't. give a girl androgens and introduce stress (dieting for a show.. pressure to not embarrass herself onstage, ect..) and you have a volatile mix.


Makes sense.


I suppose I should just consider myself lucky.


I sure as hell ain't sayin' I'm right!


Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: deceiver on May 14, 2014, 02:12:38 AM
I think some people don't take into consideration how hard and long he trained. He allegedly trained for hours, twice a day. I train 4 times per week for 2-3 hours now doing a lot of volume with olympic lifts and basic lifts and it burns calories like hell. I have never dieted down on 2500-2700 calories... and I weight 74kg now. Imagine what could be caloric maintenance for 110kg monstrous Arnold training for 4h+ per day 6 times per week... I think anything below 3000 would be starvation.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: dyslexic on May 14, 2014, 02:23:03 AM
I think some people don't take into consideration how hard and long he trained. He allegedly trained for hours, twice a day. I train 4 times per week for 2-3 hours now doing a lot of volume with olympic lifts and basic lifts and it burns calories like hell. I have never dieted down on 2500-2700 calories... and I weight 74kg now. Imagine what could be caloric maintenance for 110kg monstrous Arnold training for 4h+ per day 6 times per week... I think anything below 3000 would be starvation.


Arnold ate a lot more than people think... also "clean eating" back then was a lot different than it is today.


I know the drugs and lipo have a lot to do with getting rid of low back fat, but he NEVER managed to do that like the competitors are forced to today.

He still had a good 10mm on his low back.


(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/arnoldtwistingbackpose_zps0999f1ab.jpg) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/timeamajorova/media/arnoldtwistingbackpose_zps0999f1ab.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on May 15, 2014, 03:55:31 AM
Kidding aint ya, arnolds lower back was sick compared to most today, even had the xmas tree going on in the late 60's

Arnold ate a lot more than people think... also "clean eating" back then was a lot different than it is today.


I know the drugs and lipo have a lot to do with getting rid of low back fat, but he NEVER managed to do that like the competitors are forced to today.

He still had a good 10mm on his low back.


(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/arnoldtwistingbackpose_zps0999f1ab.jpg) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/timeamajorova/media/arnoldtwistingbackpose_zps0999f1ab.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 15, 2014, 04:12:11 AM
Kidding aint ya, arnolds lower back was sick compared to most today, even had the xmas tree going on in the late 60's
arnold  ::) ::)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: BigRo on May 15, 2014, 04:36:25 AM
Arnold brought in and excellent xmas tree, glutes and hams were a bit undeveloped and undefined compared to the rest of him.

Halo your a black man in a white mans body, your love for Coleman is sickening.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: anabolichalo on May 15, 2014, 04:41:50 AM
Arnold brought in and excellent xmas tree, glutes and hams were a bit undeveloped and undefined compared to the rest of him.

Halo your a black man in a white mans body, your love for Coleman is sickening.
i used to not like coleman, i considered him trash next to dexter jackson

but he grew on me


no homo
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 15, 2014, 05:18:08 AM
Any one has a bigger/better quality version of this pic?

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520754;image)



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on May 15, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
He was 210 pounds for both "Twins" and "Red Heat"

In 1987, I working as a trainer at a gym in NYC where Arnold would train, when in town. I personally observed him step on a scale. He weighed 212.

You are correct, Sir.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on May 15, 2014, 10:46:09 AM
He was leaner and more defined in red heat than twins, 212 for red heat and heavier for twins surely.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on May 15, 2014, 04:27:26 PM
He weighed 212.

That's crazy.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 16, 2014, 06:41:11 AM
He weighted 228  here????    that's even crazier.

Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 16, 2014, 02:30:31 PM
Safe to say he juiced until 1988 for roles.

He bulked up for Terminator (1984) and later leaned out (got cut) for Commando (1985). He then started bulking a bit for Raw Deal (1986) and further in 1987 for The Running Man and then leaned out (got cut) for Predator and then gained a bit of weight for Twins and Red Heat (1988). By Total Recall (1990) and then T2 (1991) he was about 215 pounds and while muscular, he was pretty lean. 1993 (Last Action Hero) and then True Lies (1994), he had lost pretty much all his muscle. He regained a bit of it back for T3 (in 2003), but after that, came SERIOUS height loss (about 3" in height to this day) and serious overall muscle. He's never recovered.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on May 16, 2014, 02:59:43 PM
incorrect predator was filmed first, he had to gain the weight back for the running man, he lost 28lbs through illness and filming in the jungle heat.
Last action hero he was in excellent shape, chest big and solid and he was cut, you can see this in the behind the scenes pics and deleted scenes.
T3 he didn't just gain a bit back he was probably his biggest since the 80's


He bulked up for Terminator (1984) and later leaned out (got cut) for Commando (1985). He then started bulking a bit for Raw Deal (1986) and further in 1987 for The Running Man and then leaned out (got cut) for Predator and then gained a bit of weight for Twins and Red Heat (1988). By Total Recall (1990) and then T2 (1991) he was about 215 pounds and while muscular, he was pretty lean. 1993 (Last Action Hero) and then True Lies (1994), he had lost pretty much all his muscle. He regained a bit of it back for T3 (in 2003), but after that, came SERIOUS height loss (about 3" in height to this day) and serious overall muscle. He's never recovered.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on May 16, 2014, 04:23:17 PM
T3 he didn't just gain a bit back he was probably his biggest since the 80's
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTlZWTgvqH6D8xRK-ULIm1zApoMwJrpMKY1OeGwyAk6Ul99qtGv)
(http://www.moviestillsdb.com/media/pictures/m/95/95a9197acc52af2c8b326e189f69fe22.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z8_zXhIpgyw/UE3BGq4VeLI/AAAAAAAADQU/ezPwxVGJUTQ/s1600/l_181852_715b36d6.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 27, 2014, 08:30:59 PM
1988 (age 41)  not too shabby either.



WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHH

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 27, 2014, 08:32:45 PM
Arnold and Bertil ....wonder if someone has more pics of them training together?


Wooosshhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 05, 2015, 03:40:29 AM
That's the face of only fish and water for several days.  

What's he only on deca and primo ?

Woosshhhhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: BigRo on February 05, 2015, 03:52:12 AM
1980 Olympia right...and Mike going on about him being out of shape lol
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on February 05, 2015, 05:25:48 AM
I just did an interview with Samir Bannout last night and he said Arnold was way off for the 1980 Mr. Olympia. He said Arnold looked great about a month out from the show and he would have won it easily if he looked like that but he hurt his shoulder and had to take a cortisol shot. The cortisol made him retain water and he was smooth at the show. Samir, who is a huge Arnold fan, said he shouldn't have placed in the top five.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Never1AShow on February 05, 2015, 05:33:08 AM
I just did an interview with Samir Bannout last night and he said Arnold was way off for the 1980 Mr. Olympia. He said Arnold looked great about a month out from the show and he would have won it easily if he looked like that but he hurt his shoulder and had to take a cortisol shot. The cortisol made him retain water and he was smooth at the show. Samir, who is a huge Arnold fan, said he shouldn't have placed in the top five.

Samir is not a credible source.  He has ego and memory issues.  I've seen him back in the late 80s earlier 90s leaning up against a palm tree at a local mall apparently high as a kite.  There was a time when he was -physique wise - a god among men.  Having that in your past can sometimes be a curse as you get older.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Lord Chronos on February 05, 2015, 05:47:39 AM
That's the face of only fish and water for several days.  

What's he only on deca and primo ?

Woosshhhhhhh

I assumed the Woosshhhhh in your posts was an automated signature, then I realised that your you are are typing them out each time as the numbers of "o" and "s" vary from post to post.

How long have you been doing this, is it like in every post going back thousands of posts?

Do you not get bored of having to type the woosshhh in every time you post, I guess not as you do it in ever post.

One thing we can be sure is that Arnold was on pharamecutical grade drugs and not the underground crap made in somebodies bath tub.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on February 05, 2015, 05:48:12 AM
Samir is not a credible source.  He has ego and memory issues.  I've seen him back in the late 80s earlier 90s leaning up against a palm tree at a local mall apparently high as a kite.  There was a time when he was -physique wise - a god among men.  Having that in your past can sometimes be a curse as you get older.
I kind of agree with this, even though I'm a big fan of Samir, how could Arnold look good a month out if he hadn't even starting training yet?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 05, 2015, 07:31:33 AM
I assumed the Woosshhhhh in your posts was an automated signature, then I realised that your you are are typing them out each time as the numbers of "o" and "s" vary from post to post.

How long have you been doing this, is it like in every post going back thousands of posts?

Do you not get bored of having to type the woosshhh in every time you post, I guess not as you do it in ever post.

One thing we can be sure is that Arnold was on pharamecutical grade drugs and not the underground crap made in somebodies bath tub.




I agree, the pharmaceutical Grade drug Arnold was on during those 8 months in 1980 was great quality, made his muscle look less 'artificial" both flexing or relaxed, therefore more real than those of today... he had the best tan ever  that helped too  I guess.

As for the WOOSSHHHHHHHHHHHH;   A signature will be boring and predictable ....

Typing it in real time is like singing live ! ...

Besides people are always counting the "o" the "s" at the final of my posts , not knowing exactly what amounts of letters to expect ....



WOSH



Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 05, 2015, 07:38:22 AM
Samir is not a credible source.  He has ego and memory issues.  I've seen him back in the late 80s earlier 90s leaning up against a palm tree at a local mall apparently high as a kite.  There was a time when he was -physique wise - a god among men.  Having that in your past can sometimes be a curse as you get older.

QFT.

However, of all bodybuilders there, only Platz and Columbu think Arnold was the fair winner in Sydney..

I wish Sammir had personal photos, or any other contestant for that matter  backing up their claims

As every picture available from the contest has Arnold dwarfing, outmassing and looking as ripped as all of them .



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH lean and dry !
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on February 05, 2015, 07:40:04 AM
QFT.

However, of all bodybuilders there, only Platz and Columbu think Arnold was the fair winner in Sydney..

I wish Sammir had personal photos, or any other contestant for that matter  backing up their claims

As every picture available from the contest has Arnold dwarfing, outmassing and looking as ripped as all of them .



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH lean and dry !

pretty much,,,relaxed he wasn't as impressive as in earlier yrs,,but his conditioning was tenfold as ever and posed he looked dominant enough..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on February 05, 2015, 09:12:32 AM
Doesn't matter what samir thinks Arnold at 80 percent beat them all the pics and videos are there for proof. His thighs were slender in some shots but everyone else had more flaws and looked tiny next to him. Plus his conditioning was great, hardly out of shape.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: mazrim on February 05, 2015, 10:10:02 AM

Besides people are always counting the "o" the "s" at the final of my posts , not knowing exactly what amounts of letters to expect ....



WOSH




I know I do and that does add a bit of something extra/to look forward to.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on February 05, 2015, 12:13:50 PM
Doesn't matter what samir thinks Arnold at 80 percent beat them all the pics and videos are there for proof. His thighs were slender in some shots but everyone else had more flaws and looked tiny next to him. Plus his conditioning was great, hardly out of shape.

All you have to do is watch the video of the '80 Mr O.  Arnold was the best man on that stage that day... the best by a long shot.  People who deny this are lying to themselves.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pray_4_War on February 05, 2015, 12:59:25 PM
All you have to do is watch the video of the '80 Mr O.  Arnold was the best man on that stage that day... the best by a long shot.  People who deny this are lying to themselves.

Fact.

I don't understand people who can see the comparison pictures or video from that show and talk about Menzer, Zane or Dickerson winning.  Arnold wasn't at his all time best(especially in the legs) but he was head and shoulders above those guys.  Not even close.  His size, structure, lines and conditioning were just too much for these stumpy dwarfs to compete with. 

I swear people talk shit about that contest just as an attempt to sound smart.  Challenging the establishment and trying to act like they knew better.  Some people are just regurgitating bullshit they heard from that bitter mental patient Mike Mentzer.  He was the original bro scientist.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on February 05, 2015, 07:41:09 PM
of all bodybuilders there, only Platz and Columbu think Arnold was the fair winner in Sydney..





WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH lean and dry !

And Roy Callender.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on February 05, 2015, 07:45:33 PM
I kind of agree with this, even though I'm a big fan of Samir, how could Arnold look good a month out if he hadn't even starting training yet?

Arnold trained hard at least 8 weeks before the contest. If you see pictures of him training with Jusup Wilcosz and Franco, he looks great in the gym. Samir said that he hurt his shoulder and took a cortisone shot and this made him hold water. Samir saw him training at the gym, traveled to Australia with Arnold and saw him both onstage and off stage at the Olympia, up close, and yet he's not a credible source??
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on February 06, 2015, 01:50:22 AM
Maybe he did look better leading up to the contest but he still looked better than everyone else onstage. That's where samir is mistaken, Arnold wasn't competing against his gym self or 70's self. Plus Arnold's vascularity was at a new level on stage for him, so whatever he did wrong it worked out ok For his look in the end. I remember reading he busted his arse to work off that water retention.

Arnold trained hard at least 8 weeks before the contest. If you see pictures of him training with Jusup Wilcosz and Franco, he looks great in the gym. Samir said that he hurt his shoulder and took a cortisone shot and this made him hold water. Samir saw him training at the gym, traveled to Australia with Arnold and saw him both onstage and off stage at the Olympia, up close, and yet he's not a credible source??
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2015, 02:05:29 AM
I just did an interview with Samir Bannout last night and he said Arnold was way off for the 1980 Mr. Olympia. He said Arnold looked great about a month out from the show and he would have won it easily if he looked like that but he hurt his shoulder and had to take a cortisol shot. The cortisol made him retain water and he was smooth at the show. Samir, who is a huge Arnold fan, said he shouldn't have placed in the top five.
How exactly Samir was able to compete and watch the contest at the same time(and this apply to the other competitors too)so he knows Arnold shouldn't be top 5?You competed many times yourself.Were you able to place the rest of your competition in order while you were competing against them?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 06, 2015, 03:35:46 AM
Unless he signs up here and tells us himself, we will never know.


Sad but true statement. 




Wooosshhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on February 06, 2015, 04:42:37 AM
How exactly Samir was able to compete and watch the contest at the same time(and this apply to the other competitors too)so he knows Arnold shouldn't be top 5?You competed many times yourself.Were you able to place the rest of your competition in order while you were competing against them?

I think you get a good idea of who is in shape and who isn't by how they look backstage. Samir was at the show and I wasn't so, in my opinion, that makes him a credible source.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on February 06, 2015, 05:23:18 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 06, 2015, 08:24:39 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=597217;image)    8)


Ironically in the side chest (Arnold strong pose)  Dickerson looks more balanced overall.



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
I think you get a good idea of who is in shape and who isn't by how they look backstage. Samir was at the show and I wasn't so, in my opinion, that makes him a credible source.
Watching someone tanning or walking relaxed backstage,even pumping up is still not the same as watching the whole contest from the judges table or a very good sit in the hall.Some bodybuilders come alive more than others once they start posing and Arnold was one of them.Besides a good competitor doesn't necessarily makes a good judge and Samir proved it by placing Gustavo Badel ahead of Ronnie at the 2005 Olympia's challenge round.
 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Lord Chronos on February 08, 2015, 11:09:16 AM

I agree, the pharmaceutical Grade drug Arnold was on during those 8 months in 1980 was great quality, made his muscle look less 'artificial" both flexing or relaxed, therefore more real than those of today... he had the best tan ever  that helped too  I guess.

As for the WOOSSHHHHHHHHHHHH;   A signature will be boring and predictable ....

Typing it in real time is like singing live ! ...

Besides people are always counting the "o" the "s" at the final of my posts , not knowing exactly what amounts of letters to expect ....



WOSH


WOSH ;D ;D

Yes I guess there is the novelty factor there by varying the letters!

I think the lack of availability of real pharma grade drugs must play a part in the decline in the physique's we see today. Even the guys in the 90's probably built most of their foundation off the back of gear in the 80's as they were growing up. Who knows whats in UG stuff, in many cases you might order primo, but all your getting is watered down test. Im sure the chinese throw in a few contaminants for good measure.
Supplements probaly play a part too, creatine and NO2 supps probably have an effect. So many bodybuilders have this lifeless, exhausted look to their bodies and their muscles.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on February 08, 2015, 11:44:56 AM
WOSH ;D ;D

Yes I guess there is the novelty factor there by varying the letters!

I think the lack of availability of real pharma grade drugs must play a part in the decline in the physique's we see today. Even the guys in the 90's probably built most of their foundation off the back of gear in the 80's as they were growing up. Who knows whats in UG stuff, in many cases you might order primo, but all your getting is watered down test. Im sure the chinese throw in a few contaminants for good measure.
Supplements probaly play a part too, creatine and NO2 supps probably have an effect. So many bodybuilders have this lifeless, exhausted look to their bodies and their muscles.

In 1986 I remember some dude would come to the gym once a week and would sell 100% legit Parabolin, Primobolan, Anavar, Winny, D-bol, Anadrol and various forms of Test right out of his gym bag.  Those were the days boy.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on February 08, 2015, 12:35:39 PM


^^
Translated...

This image was taken on in Sydney. hard training, balanced diet and intake of amino-Vit brought me in just 77 days this form. It will bring you success like it did for me.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Lord Chronos on February 08, 2015, 02:59:29 PM
In 1986 I remember some dude would come to the gym once a week and would sell 100% legit Parabolin, Primobolan, Anavar, Winny, D-bol, Anadrol and various forms of Test right out of his gym bag.  Those were the days boy.

Nice ;D

All they had was pharma gear and real food, ok a few shitty supplements existed back then but really there was nothing else for them to play around with. Im sure thats why they looked so much better.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: old-school-lifter on February 08, 2015, 03:50:25 PM
80's guys pre contest were big on stanazol stanazol stanazol, plus anavar and tren
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on February 09, 2015, 09:41:40 AM
80's guys pre contest were big on stanazol stanazol stanazol, plus anavar and tren
winstrol yes and finajet another vet drug hardness look,ben Johnson had look down 'fibrous thick muscle'dude was ripped horse..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on February 13, 2015, 07:40:07 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Master Blaster on February 13, 2015, 10:02:24 PM
 ;D

WOSH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Master Blaster on February 13, 2015, 10:03:59 PM
Insulin = todays shity "sport"
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on February 13, 2015, 10:36:26 PM

So many people JUST DON'T KNOW what these competitors go through. I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's bitter-sweet.

When you are standing on that stage under the lights and you have gone meticulously and consistently through your contest prep THE WAY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO... it is what is called a "near death experience" ~ yes, you are elated, especially if you are in the top 5 (REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHOW YOU ARE DOING) and you feel like you are dying.

If you end up placing even higher than the Top 5, you get a rush of adrenaline. Now, where that comes from nobody knows. Is it stored somewhere? The drugs have already done their job. Maybe it's the last of a Vic or a Perc that you popped?

It's the one last shred of ANYTHING you have left in you.


I wonder how many here have seen committed bodybuilders during EVERY STEP of their contest prep? I'm talking the 3 cardio sessions a day, where maybe you are watching their kid for them (Female or Male contender) and then the workouts, the borrowing of the gym's refrigerator so that they can eat the measly little bit of Talapia and Broccoli that they might have. At this point, there is no rice, no sweet potato, no Oatmeal, which would be considered a HUGE TREAT at this time.

They look at you, you can see that haven't been sleeping. They are starving. They still push out their cardio sessions. Sometimes the cardio is continued with bloody nose, or only God knows what, and they push. Unstoppable.

Regulars in the gym don't know what to think. They don't understand what they are seeing.

All that work. All that time. They literally LIVE AT THE GYM...

and the rest of us sit back and go "Oh, it's the drugs... I could be just like that if I did the same thing..." LMAO



NO, you couldn't.


[rant][/end rant]


I have 3 competitors right now who are gasping from a National Qualifier. Anyone in California knows exactly which show I'm talking about.

two more smaller shows coming up....


You wanna talk about the reality of a plastic trophy here?


Anyone here know where I'm coming from (even though I'm going off???) lol ~
you described it very well..personally I do not believe in percs vics of be on zero carbs but the feeling is there..not a pleasant state of mind for sure
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on February 14, 2015, 12:42:01 PM
Wow, never seen that before, arnolds conditioning and separation were  outstanding. He looked really wide in 80 and his traps huge


8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: a_pupil on February 14, 2015, 01:09:10 PM
don't know why winnie gets a bad rep these days.

must be because ghteen said it was a shitty compound
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on February 14, 2015, 01:37:46 PM
Arnold brought in and excellent xmas tree, glutes and hams were a bit undeveloped and undefined compared to the rest of him.

Halo your a black man in a white mans body, your love for Coleman is sickening.

x2
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Lord Chronos on February 14, 2015, 02:43:51 PM
don't know why winnie gets a bad rep these days.

must be because ghteen said it was a shitty compound

you are probably right.

Winstol, primo, anavar I think they all gave those dry lean gains you saw in the old bodybuilders. Now its all about mass at all costs and bodybuilders swelling up like balloons.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: a_pupil on February 14, 2015, 04:30:47 PM
in the 1980 pics show the more streamlined version arnie could not hide the wide waist as good as before.

however, he was still numero uno. can't believe so many peopled melted down over such a clear victory. arnold trolled mike mentzer so bad, the poor guy turned into looney toon.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Montague on February 14, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
Although he was dehydrated and almost fainted twice during filming of Predator (he even went to see a doctor)

his leanest (lower BF) for a moviel roll was in Red Heat


According to Predator director, John McTiernan, most of the crew contracted Malaria while filming. That is why you can notice a difference in some of the actors' conditioning throughout the film - particularly Arnold and Jesse.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on February 14, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
(http://cdn.moviestillsdb.com/sm/8b621a158f3da39144c421f687221c89/red-heat.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on February 15, 2015, 10:54:40 AM
(http://cdn.moviestillsdb.com/sm/8b621a158f3da39144c421f687221c89/red-heat.jpg)
red heat,,,awesome considering he wasn't that young,,
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 15, 2015, 05:38:22 PM
red heat,,,awesome considering he wasn't that young,,


WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 15, 2015, 05:40:34 PM
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 15, 2015, 05:41:44 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 15, 2015, 05:50:15 PM
the King of Kings  >:(  8)  :D  ;)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on February 16, 2015, 03:07:26 AM
Don't care for him that lean.

I think this was his best presentation ever in terms of mass and conditioning:

(http://zinemaniacos.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/t1-0011l.jpg)
(http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/reviews/the_terminator/image1full.jpg)
(http://www.jamescamerononline.com/griffithloc1.jpg)
(http://chelloveck.sfblogs.net/files/2011/02/Terminator-puppet.jpg)


Must've been at least 250-260 there.

Nope, he weighed 240 pounds during the filming of Terminator 1. There was an article in December 1984 issue of Muscle and Fitness.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on February 16, 2015, 03:11:55 AM

For Terminator he was 236 lbs....

His heaviest has been Conan the Destroyer, at the beginning of film Arnold was 236 same as T1, at the end I think he was 241 lbs. (he gained 5 lbs of lean mass) and you can really notice it if you have the dvd specially the scene where he is fighting the monster with the infamous horn .



Woooshhhhhhhhhhhh

In Conan the Barbarian, he averaged 220 pounds and went as low as 212 pounds for the scene where he's left for dead (1982 edition of Muscle and Fitness magazine).
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on February 16, 2015, 03:13:39 AM
In 1987, I working as a trainer at a gym in NYC where Arnold would train, when in town. I personally observed him step on a scale. He weighed 212.

You are correct, Sir.

He apparently weighed 215 pounds for T2.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on February 16, 2015, 03:16:21 AM
Arnold and Bertil ....wonder if someone has more pics of them training together?


Wooosshhhhhhhhhhh

Bertil was a beast there in 1980 (Around 260 pounds). Arnold on the other hand was somewhere between 210-220 pounds. His legs were like sticks in that picture.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 16, 2015, 12:48:36 PM
Lean !



Wooshhhhhhhh

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 10, 2015, 11:36:36 AM
Perfect tan &  physique for the summer !

 The man was dry ...




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 10, 2015, 11:37:25 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 10, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr.1derful on May 10, 2015, 09:19:57 PM
Twins was out in 1988 and he was 230 pounds.

No way he was 230 in Twins.  210 - 215.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 11, 2015, 07:14:55 AM
No way he was 230 in Twins.  210 - 215.

According to Arnold himself, he was 210 pounds during the film of Red Heat , months later he gained over 10 lbs or so ... he filmed Twins early 1988 ..

And Guys like Don Cestone saw Arnold up close training at Golds during the filming of Twins and says Arnold was looking close to his 1980 form ... Arnold was doing heavy dumbell rows and the back started to look like his former self (he was 40) ... Even Lou asked him one morning if Arnold was attempting to make another comeback .
Dont remember what Arnold answered him but there's a funny anecdote behind it .



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on May 11, 2015, 01:54:35 PM
I remember an interview Arnold did for Ironman Magazine in 1988 and he said he was down to 210 pounds for both "Twins" and "Red Heat".
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 11, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 11, 2015, 08:35:28 PM
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 11, 2015, 08:39:36 PM
W ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DSHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 11, 2015, 06:09:01 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: SuperTed on June 11, 2015, 06:43:39 AM
Nope, he weighed 240 pounds during the filming of Terminator 1. There was an article in December 1984 issue of Muscle and Fitness.

Surprised by that tbh. Thought he looked around 220lbs for T1.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on June 11, 2015, 11:30:37 AM
228 he said recently promoting genisys
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 12, 2015, 05:11:54 AM
Fish and water.  According to Ken Waller

Can you put up with that for more than 3 days ?


Woooshhhhh
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on June 14, 2015, 01:15:07 AM
Getting to be 250lb+ is a challenge, and requires lots of drugs and food.

Once you attain that size, you can maintain that size on less drugs and food.

Considering people diet for short periods of time, the risk of muscle loss is almost impossible.

Arnold was NOWHERE near 250 pounds in 1980. In fact, he was sub 200 in the late 70's, due to running every day. In 1980 he was somewhere between 210 and 220 on contest day, which is very lean for someone who was over 6'1" at that time.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on June 14, 2015, 07:03:06 AM
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=615681)

Anyone here know when Joe Gold first opened World's Gym?  '78-'79?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on June 14, 2015, 03:42:48 PM
Arnold was NOWHERE near 250 pounds in 1980. In fact, he was sub 200 in the late 70's, due to running every day. In 1980 he was somewhere between 210 and 220 on contest day, which is very lean for someone who was over 6'1" at that time.
I think I've read on here sonewhere 223-225.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Royal Lion on June 14, 2015, 07:37:01 PM
...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Nether Animal on June 14, 2015, 07:40:55 PM
Actually really like that look on him.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on June 14, 2015, 09:48:14 PM
I think I've read on here sonewhere 223-225.

MAX 220 pounds day of competition. He was up from 199 pounds in 1979 (PRE-Mr. Olympia training).
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Waller on June 15, 2015, 12:55:44 AM
Check out the game face on this dude. Does he want to hurt him or hump him?

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Svengoolie on June 15, 2015, 04:56:20 AM
Hurt through hump
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 23, 2015, 07:28:40 AM
Actually really like that look on him.





Those were the right supps back then .



WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Papper on June 23, 2015, 02:07:37 PM
I think I've read on here sonewhere 223-225.

I think he said in his recent interview he was 245 in '74. Then only went up to 220-230 tops for Pumping Iron.

Then the went down to 210 for a movie and up to around 220 again to win the 1980. He never got as big as in '74 again.

But I'm not good with weights, correct me if I am off here?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Diesel618 on June 23, 2015, 03:16:31 PM
lagging rear delts of peace
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on June 24, 2015, 09:41:15 AM
lagging rear delts of peace
^^
Wrong, all 3 heads of Delts are full, and jacked as hell...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on June 24, 2015, 09:45:24 AM
YEP...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 01, 2015, 05:16:25 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 09, 2015, 07:33:28 AM
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 12, 2015, 10:01:43 AM
The man went to the aesthetic lean territory and beat Zane and the gang.

Looking athletic and superior here.



Woooshhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on July 12, 2015, 11:29:33 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Alucard on July 12, 2015, 11:46:12 AM
Lol, and there's still people that say he looked like shit and it was a blatant robbery... Arnold looked great, not at his best and most massive but still far above the competition, he was the winner fair and square, for sure not the 5'7 blocky Mentzer with a distended midsection...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 01, 2015, 07:28:55 AM
 ;D

Arnold, 5 years later coming back in  TERMINATOR mode Smoking everyone

I also woulnt mind to look that big and lean ....
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 01, 2015, 07:35:50 AM
 What drugs was he on to be this lean?  we would never know....but he was DRY




WooSSHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 01, 2015, 07:38:43 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 01, 2015, 07:54:32 AM
Bodybuilders of that era would simply go to the doctor who gave them their steroids and picked up some amphetamines or got some ephedrine at the store....that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: a_pupil on October 01, 2015, 12:09:49 PM
all guys on the stage had full heads of hair except for the odd genetically doomed baldie (boyer coe)

nowadays most of the guys on stage are bald.

wonder if different juicing protocals are the cause.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Primemuscle on October 01, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
all guys on the stage had full heads of hair except for the odd genetically doomed baldie (boyer coe)

nowadays most of the guys on stage are bald.

wonder if different juicing protocals are the cause.

I once read that bald folks are further along on the evolutionary chain. Since I am bald, this theory was good for me.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on October 01, 2015, 01:15:15 PM
a report i read a couple of years back said new evidence was found that a certain protein and too much of it is the cause of baldness...

 
all guys on the stage had full heads of hair except for the odd genetically doomed baldie (boyer coe)

nowadays most of the guys on stage are bald.

wonder if different juicing protocals are the cause.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 01, 2015, 06:41:13 PM
That's the face that you couldn't get thru dieting alone !


WoooSSHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 01, 2015, 06:42:04 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 01, 2015, 06:47:17 PM
According to Arnold himself, he was 210 pounds during the film of Red Heat , months later he gained over 10 lbs or so ... he filmed Twins early 1988 ..

And Guys like Don Cestone saw Arnold up close training at Golds during the filming of Twins and says Arnold was looking close to his 1980 form ... Arnold was doing heavy dumbell rows and the back started to look like his former self (he was 40) ... Even Lou asked him one morning if Arnold was attempting to make another comeback .
Dont remember what Arnold answered him but there's a funny anecdote behind it .



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

And what did he weigh during Hercules in New York?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 01, 2015, 06:51:37 PM
According to Arnold himself, he was 210 pounds during the film of Red Heat , months later he gained over 10 lbs or so ... he filmed Twins early 1988 ..

And Guys like Don Cestone saw Arnold up close training at Golds during the filming of Twins and says Arnold was looking close to his 1980 form ... Arnold was doing heavy dumbell rows and the back started to look like his former self (he was 40) ... Even Lou asked him one morning if Arnold was attempting to make another comeback .
Dont remember what Arnold answered him but there's a funny anecdote behind it .



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I remember watching Twins and thinking he looked pretty jacked. Also, the first Terminator he looked as if he just stepped off the stage.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on October 01, 2015, 08:20:40 PM
That's the face that you couldn't get thru dieting alone !


WoooSSHHHHHHHHHH
No moon face or gut, he wouldn't place well today.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on October 01, 2015, 08:52:30 PM
Bodybuilders of that era would simply go to the doctor who gave them their steroids and picked up some amphetamines or got some ephedrine at the store....that's pretty much it.
^^
Actually you're 100% right on this, PRESCRIPTION amphetamines were very commonly available (DEXEDRINE)... this made dieting a breeze, for most people it shut off 50% of your hunger anyways,
and made you sweat like hell in the gym while working out!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextroamphetamine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextroamphetamine)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: The Wizard on October 02, 2015, 03:58:48 AM
Exactly! he retired  in 1975 the top names back then were Oliva,Ferrigno,Katz ,Waller etc all over 240 lbs...the following years  Arnold got off the sauce, his skin was really lose for a 30 year old guy 76,77,78, specially 1979,And don't forget,by 1980 the game had changed drastically, Zane,Robinso,Dickerson,Makawi,Mentzer etc were the ones dominating  "were ripped" and under 220 lbs... So by spring 1980 not only Arnold got lean but his skin was thinner than ever!!! with striations never before seen in his prime even the split chest...... I really doubt it was the same "Formula" he applied 10 years early the early 70's.




He may not have been the best in the world that year but this is his best look to me - Still doubt he hit each muscle 3 times a week year round
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 02, 2015, 06:07:51 AM
And what did he weigh during Hercules in New York?

he was 22 off season I'd say around 250 lbs .



WooSSHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on October 19, 2015, 08:42:45 PM
dry he was ....  
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Master Blaster on October 19, 2015, 10:41:38 PM
1980 Arnold is just destroying the competition...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on November 20, 2015, 05:17:48 AM
1980 Arnold is just destroying the competition...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on November 22, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Despite the poor quality  picture, the Xmas three is rocking there  ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on November 22, 2015, 05:46:39 PM
1980 Arnold is just destroying the competition...

I just did an interview with Roger Walker from Australia for the Bodybuilding Legends Show and he said Arnold should have placed 8th.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on November 22, 2015, 05:49:48 PM
I just did an interview with Roger Walker from Australia for the Bodybuilding Legends Show and he said Arnold should have placed 8th.
depending on the pics ,angles.most all favor arnold tho,8th yeah right .he was dry and tight like never before for him,bigger yeah in 70's but nowhere this ripped no debate.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on November 22, 2015, 05:51:43 PM
I just did an interview with Roger Walker from Australia for the Bodybuilding Legends Show and he said Arnold should have placed 8th.

...WHAT ? 8th???

Look forward to listen to it .

Shit!!  1980 Mr.O is getting serious all over again !

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on November 22, 2015, 05:55:31 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on November 22, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
I just did an interview with Roger Walker from Australia for the Bodybuilding Legends Show and he said Arnold should have placed 8th.
^^
I don't see it posted on your YouTube page, John- do you have another link... I have to listen to this show!!!
P.S.  By the way I LOVED your show with Boyer Coe...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on November 23, 2015, 05:36:59 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Nether Animal on November 23, 2015, 05:38:42 AM
^^
I don't see it posted on your YouTube page, John- do you have another link... I have to listen to this show!!!
P.S.  By the way I LOVED your show with Boyer Coe...

It's recorded but not finished yet. He has to splice pics and posing clips into the interview.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on November 23, 2015, 05:40:02 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Disco187 on November 23, 2015, 05:51:29 AM
I used to watch the movie twins and used to imagine what it would be like to walk around with arnolds physique for a day. and be able to score a chick like that in the movie.  I was a youngster back then and to me that was the ideal physique.  I think arnold was the only physique i genuinely wanted to have. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Nether Animal on November 23, 2015, 05:54:45 AM
:)

Monster lactating gyno on Walker.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on November 23, 2015, 08:56:31 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on November 23, 2015, 03:54:36 PM
^^
I don't see it posted on your YouTube page, John- do you have another link... I have to listen to this show!!!
P.S.  By the way I LOVED your show with Boyer Coe...

It's not up yet. I just put up the Lee Haney interview part one. Part two should be up later this week and then I have a two part interview with Vince Taylor and Roger Walker will be up
after that.
http://www.floridaphysique.com/#!bodybuilding-legends/cxxh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 23, 2015, 04:39:03 PM
I just did an interview with Roger Walker from Australia for the Bodybuilding Legends Show and he said Arnold should have placed 8th.

Roger Walker is a funny guy.  Does he still have that ridiculous jew-fro hairstyle?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on November 23, 2015, 07:36:58 PM
Roger Walker is a funny guy.  Does he still have that ridiculous jew-fro hairstyle?

No, he's bald now
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 23, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
No, he's bald now

That's a shame.  By the way, he was great in that movie Carlito's Way.

(http://150597036.r.cdn77.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/hairseanpenn.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on November 23, 2015, 09:28:04 PM
It's not up yet. I just put up the Lee Haney interview part one. Part two should be up later this week and then I have a two part interview with Vince Taylor and Roger Walker will be up
after that.
http://www.floridaphysique.com/#!bodybuilding-legends/cxxh
^^
OK, and by the way the Lee Haney interview was great- amazing footage too of the old contests!!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on November 23, 2015, 10:19:13 PM
:)
And Arnold was known for having a wide waist?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on November 23, 2015, 10:24:13 PM
I just did an interview with Roger Walker from Australia for the Bodybuilding Legends Show and he said Arnold should have placed 8th.
If he says that it must be true.Not top 5 or outside top 5,but exactly 8-th.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on November 23, 2015, 10:27:06 PM
8)
A rare back lat spread shot of Arnold and he looks good.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on November 23, 2015, 11:47:04 PM
^^
OK, and by the way the Lee Haney interview was great- amazing footage too of the old contests!!

Thank you! That video from the 1982 Mr. Universe was awesome. I couldn't believe how great Lee Haney looked for only 22 years old.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: pellius on November 24, 2015, 01:25:09 AM
Thank you! That video from the 1982 Mr. Universe was awesome. I couldn't believe how great Lee Haney looked for only 22 years old.

And Coleman is only 5 years younger. Essentially contemporaries age wise yet they are two generations apart in the bodybuilding world.
Lee retired at 32 yrs old after winning 8 Olympias and Coleman was 34 when he won his first Mr. O.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on November 24, 2015, 07:40:43 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on November 24, 2015, 07:49:47 AM
TO ARNOLDS CREDIT ...he came back and won in a deeper class and more competitiors...his prime day there was 2 guys to beat other than himself.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on November 24, 2015, 08:34:55 AM
Thank you! That video from the 1982 Mr. Universe was awesome. I couldn't believe how great Lee Haney looked for only 22 years old.
^^
Can you imagine how he would have looked if he would have had arms like Gunnar Rosbo??
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on November 25, 2015, 10:56:32 PM
TO ARNOLDS CREDIT ...he came back and won in a deeper class and more competitiors...his prime day there was 2 guys to beat other than himself.
That was the original idea for the Mr.Olympia-only few competitors but the best of the best.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on November 27, 2015, 05:30:42 AM
That was the original idea for the Mr.Olympia-only few competitors but the best of the best.
makes sense...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Dr Dutch on November 27, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
And Coleman is only 5 years younger. Essentially contemporaries age wise yet they are two generations apart in the bodybuilding world.
Lee retired at 32 yrs old after winning 8 Olympias and Coleman was 34 when he won his first Mr. O.
Lee did the smart thing
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: theworm on November 28, 2015, 12:17:39 PM
6-800 mg primo a week
400 deca
100 mg daily d Bol


There's the most likely senario

At least back in the 70s...

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: The Scott on November 28, 2015, 05:48:46 PM
I just did an interview with Roger Walker from Australia for the Bodybuilding Legends Show and he said Arnold should have placed 8th.

*SNICKER*  And do you believe him?  *SNICKER*

As for Haney, according to an old Weider infomercial he was all about the Weider supplements not stayroids.
Liar.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on November 28, 2015, 05:54:18 PM
*SNICKER*  And do you believe him?  *SNICKER*

As for Haney, according to an old Weider infomercial he was all about the Weider supplements not stayroids.
Liar.

^^
You're right, SCOTT and he calls himself a "Christian".
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: The Scott on November 28, 2015, 05:56:33 PM
^^
You're right, SCOTT and he calls himself a "Christian".

In truth, my faith is more and more slipping but that is my problem and I will not lie about it.  Haney?  Coleman?  Not so much. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: oldschoolfan on November 28, 2015, 07:21:56 PM
arnold and mentzer top two for sure,


my two favorite bodybuilders of all time.


Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Eric2 on November 28, 2015, 07:34:02 PM
The only reason all the competitors where mad that Arnold had entered the show was they knew he'd win. They knew he was is and always will be the greatest. That's why they cried like little insecure bitches. Bodybuilders in general are all delusional, they see themselves as something they are not. I reAlly think the only exception was Arnold, who spoke openly in his book of his fear of certain competitors and how he knew he had to train harder to bring up his weak points. Arnold trained hard for the 1980, he just had less time to do it. Arnold in my opinion won this show hands down and the fact he did it last minute.Ute speaks for just how far ahead his genetics where than the others. Not just his training won the show, his stage presence, charisma, genetics all where part to kicking Ass. Had he the genetics of the others, would not have gone this way.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: pellius on November 28, 2015, 09:47:52 PM
The only reason all the competitors where mad that Arnold had entered the show was they knew he'd win. They knew he was is and always will be the greatest. That's why they cried like little insecure bitches. Bodybuilders in general are all delusional, they see themselves as something they are not. I reAlly think the only exception was Arnold, who spoke openly in his book of his fear of certain competitors and how he knew he had to train harder to bring up his weak points. Arnold trained hard for the 1980, he just had less time to do it. Arnold in my opinion won this show hands down and the fact he did it last minute.Ute speaks for just how far ahead his genetics where than the others. Not just his training won the show, his stage presence, charisma, genetics all where part to kicking Ass. Had he the genetics of the others, would not have gone this way.

They knew he would win because he was Arnold. His influence even got his Sardinian side kick a very undeserved victory in '81.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: muscularny on November 28, 2015, 10:13:43 PM
good genetics
serious dedication
good diet
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Nether Animal on November 28, 2015, 10:15:39 PM
^^
Can you imagine how he would have looked if he would have had arms like Gunnar Rosbo??

That's an awesome shot.  8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on November 30, 2015, 07:17:12 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: MORTALCOIL on November 30, 2015, 07:22:52 AM
The only reason all the competitors where mad that Arnold had entered the show was they knew he'd win. They knew he was is and always will be the greatest. That's why they cried like little insecure bitches. Bodybuilders in general are all delusional, they see themselves as something they are not. I reAlly think the only exception was Arnold, who spoke openly in his book of his fear of certain competitors and how he knew he had to train harder to bring up his weak points. Arnold trained hard for the 1980, he just had less time to do it. Arnold in my opinion won this show hands down and the fact he did it last minute.Ute speaks for just how far ahead his genetics where than the others. Not just his training won the show, his stage presence, charisma, genetics all where part to kicking Ass. Had he the genetics of the others, would not have gone this way.

Nuthuggin' to a T.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on December 01, 2015, 07:24:01 AM
Arnold looking like he did in 1980 today ... and all his movies would've been Blockbusters today .
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on December 01, 2015, 07:36:48 AM
228 lbs at 6'1"  never seemed so big .  at the height, the average bodybuilder would need to be at least 245 lbs to match his size .
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: spiro on December 01, 2015, 07:36:54 AM
6-800 mg primo a week
400 deca
100 mg daily d Bol


There's the most likely senario

At least back in the 70s...




For a swimmer maybe. I read some of your posts in the aas section you seem to be brainwashed about a lot of things.
These guys used grams of pharmacy grade gear. Look at all of the quality muscle. It takes a lot more than 400 deca to achieve that. What you posted is a gym rat cycle.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on December 01, 2015, 07:40:24 AM
This pic has been posted before,  this one has a bit better quality ...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on December 01, 2015, 07:43:28 AM
Wider than you know who  ;D

And Roy says he wasn't even top 8 that day .
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: theworm on December 01, 2015, 09:30:24 AM

For a swimmer maybe. I read some of your posts in the aas section you seem to be brainwashed about a lot of things.
These guys used grams of pharmacy grade gear. Look at all of the quality muscle. It takes a lot more than 400 deca to achieve that. What you posted is a gym rat cycle.

I doubt Arnold used 2 grams of primo...  You have to remember this was quality pharm grade drugs!
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on December 03, 2015, 03:07:55 AM
Here is Arnold T1 at 236 lbs

And then Conan the Destroyer at 241 lbs

Wonder if Arnold would have still been winning the Mr. O well into the 1980's?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on December 03, 2015, 04:08:03 AM
course he would, Haney would have been the only threat, provided he stayed injury free. Imo apart from having more detailed hams, peak arnold trumps him anyway and with time arnold would have been able to bring out those details.
Personally Arnold and Haney are the pinnacle of the Mr O, after them we got missing biceps, guts, bloat, bloof etc etc


Wonder if Arnold would have still been winning the Mr. O well into the 1980's?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: ritch on December 03, 2015, 04:25:29 AM
Wonder if Arnold would have still been winning the Mr. O well into the 1980's?

Easily. Look at the winners who followed Arnold until Haney. They never would have beat him.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: pellius on December 03, 2015, 04:33:36 AM
Easily. Look at the winners who followed Arnold until Haney. They never would have beat him.


x2 and if Arnold continued to improve, say come in at 255-60 in the same condition, which I think he could have done, he would have beaten Haney as well. He literally could have held the title for 15 years or more if it mattered to him. He was only 34 in 1980 and could have gone on well into his early forties like Zane, Dickerson and Dex did.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on December 03, 2015, 05:41:18 AM
x2 and if Arnold continued to improve, say come in at 255-60 in the same condition, which I think he could have done, he would have beaten Haney as well. He literally could have held the title for 15 years or more if it mattered to him. He was only 34 in 1980 and could have gone on well into his early forties like Zane, Dickerson and Dex did.
I think his waist would have looked interesting at that weight..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on December 03, 2015, 06:29:28 AM
Arnold was 252 or 254 at the 71 O, he thinks that was his best shape but pics an video show he was equally as big, thick and developed in 74 but better calves and quads, waist was fine as always.
Shame the footage from 71 and 74 isn't better.
I think his waist would have looked interesting at that weight..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on December 03, 2015, 07:20:42 AM
Arnold was 252 or 254 at the 71 O, he thinks that was his best shape but pics an video show he was equally as big, thick and developed in 74 but better calves and quads, waist was fine as always.
Shame the footage from 71 and 74 isn't better.
Holy shit, he's massive there.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on December 03, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
I doubt Arnold used 2 grams of primo...  You have to remember this was quality pharm grade drugs!
^^
Ric Drasin said him, Franco and Arnie used to take 5 to 8 D-bols at every meal plus a BIG needle full of Primobolin every week in Gold's gym washroom!!
Probably a LOT of stuff in there!!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Nether Animal on December 03, 2015, 10:40:20 AM
Wider than you know who  ;D

And Roy says he wasn't even top 8 that day .

Walker looks great there.

Underrated physique.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: theworm on December 03, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
^^
Ric Drasin said him, Franco and Arnie used to take 5 to 8 D-bols at every meal plus a BIG needle full of Primobolin every week in Gold's gym washroom!!
Probably a LOT of stuff in there!!

Full syringe?   That's 600 mg then...   Don't think he used a 10cc syringe

Best case senario was 5cc, so maybe a gram at most.

The dbol was 5mg, right? So maybe 100-150 mg dbol daily.   

That's not much compared to today's standards
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on December 03, 2015, 10:59:20 AM
Full syringe?   That's 600 mg then...   Don't think he used a 10cc syringe

Best case senario was 5cc, so maybe a gram at most.

The dbol was 5mg, right? So maybe 100-150 mg dbol daily.   

That's not much compared to today's standards
TRUE...AND LOOK HOW HE LOOKED INSANE..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: theworm on December 03, 2015, 11:27:34 AM
TRUE...AND LOOK HOW HE LOOKED INSANE..

But that's all he did.   Ate and worked out all day.   I think much of his mass was from the dbol
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: njflex on December 03, 2015, 11:29:14 AM
But that's all he did.   Ate and worked out all day.   I think much of his mass was from the dbol
PROBABLY..NICE LIFE THEN..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on December 03, 2015, 11:40:37 AM
Have you watched the footage on youtube? He looks like a cartoon character, width, thickness and development is outstanding, imagine it in pumping iron quality. Funny really how people generally think 75 is his best simply coz of that film giving the contest the most exposure

Holy shit, he's massive there.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 06, 2016, 07:38:35 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 06, 2016, 07:55:37 AM
Arnold muscles in these two shots make Philsulin  and R.Piana look like they have counterfeit muscles.



WoooSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Disgusted on January 06, 2016, 07:59:37 AM
Full syringe?   That's 600 mg then...   Don't think he used a 10cc syringe

Best case senario was 5cc, so maybe a gram at most.

The dbol was 5mg, right? So maybe 100-150 mg dbol daily.  

That's not much compared to today's standards

I got to use  real Dianabol once for my first show prescribed by my Dr. I took 2 daily the last 7 weeks from my show basically eating nothing. I gained 7 pounds! I can't even imagine what 20 a day would have done in the off season.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: The Scott on January 06, 2016, 09:26:54 AM
There's a reason Arnold is Numero Uno.   I think 74 was his best year but from 71 through 74 he was at his best.  In 75 he was still the best and when he returned in 80 he was still the best.  I have him first and Mentzer or Zane in second with the other being in third.  Dickerson doesn't even belong on that stage, let alone in second.   

He could have held the title for a ridiculously long time but there was another career to be launched and more money to be made.   Arnold is smarter than anyone that's followed him.

Today's bodybuilders lack the work ethic and self pride to do what the Oak has done.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on January 06, 2016, 12:38:27 PM
Well put.
There's a reason Arnold is Numero Uno.   I think 74 was his best year but from 71 through 74 he was at his best.  In 75 he was still the best and when he returned in 80 he was still the best.  I have him first and Mentzer or Zane in second with the other being in third.  Dickerson doesn't even belong on that stage, let alone in second.   

He could have held the title for a ridiculously long time but there was another career to be launched and more money to be made.   Arnold is smarter than anyone that's followed him.

Today's bodybuilders lack the work ethic and self pride to do what the Oak has done.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 06, 2016, 05:17:48 PM
 ;D


Arnold 1980 is the best inspiration for anyone who wants to start dieting  ....


woshh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 06, 2016, 08:04:27 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on January 07, 2016, 03:02:11 AM
There's a reason Arnold is Numero Uno.   I think 74 was his best year but from 71 through 74 he was at his best.  In 75 he was still the best and when he returned in 80 he was still the best.  I have him first and Mentzer or Zane in second with the other being in third.  Dickerson doesn't even belong on that stage, let alone in second.   

He could have held the title for a ridiculously long time but there was another career to be launched and more money to be made.   Arnold is smarter than anyone that's followed him.

Today's bodybuilders lack the work ethic and self pride to do what the Oak has done.

Exactly. He was already the best by a long way at that point someone like him would be a bit over it and looking for new things to conquer.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: trapz101 on January 07, 2016, 05:44:06 AM
:D


who's that little bitch standing in front of mentzer?

 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: crownshep on January 07, 2016, 06:37:56 AM
There's a reason Arnold is Numero Uno.   I think 74 was his best year but from 71 through 74 he was at his best.  In 75 he was still the best and when he returned in 80 he was still the best.  I have him first and Mentzer or Zane in second with the other being in third.  Dickerson doesn't even belong on that stage, let alone in second.   

He could have held the title for a ridiculously long time but there was another career to be launched and more money to be made.   Arnold is smarter than anyone that's followed him.

Today's bodybuilders lack the work ethic and self pride to do what the Oak has done.

At his biggest and best in 74
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on January 07, 2016, 07:19:52 AM
At his biggest and best in 74
How awesome would it be to wake up looking like that?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Yamcha on January 07, 2016, 08:29:51 AM
How awesome would it be to wake up looking like next to that?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 07, 2016, 01:13:25 PM
At his biggest and best in 74

His biggest and best was in 1971

sadly, the videos and photos from 1971 are rare and bad quality

Arnold won it unopposed; therefore J Weider didn't feel like printing pictures of the show under such circumstances.



WOOOSSHHHHHHH

 



WoooSHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - Pictures and comments
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 07, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
Back to 1980 ...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 27, 2016, 07:33:57 AM
 The face says it all    ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: OB1 on January 27, 2016, 08:27:26 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=668002;image)
The face says it all    ;D

What does it say?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on January 27, 2016, 08:58:38 AM
What does it say?

^^
It says I need "Moah Clen, T-3, and Winstrol Franco you little Bastard"!!!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 27, 2016, 04:51:05 PM
I know this is about 1980 Arnold. Here is 1974 Arnold.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 28, 2016, 05:43:17 AM
This is the the most aesthetic shot I have ever seen ...yes better than Zane and Paris.

1980 He was on point


WooSHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: DanzigBrah on January 28, 2016, 06:16:42 AM
Too bad he didn't show up like that. Plus the wheels were gone and never coming back.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 28, 2016, 06:20:53 AM
the decent high quality images show he probably had his best conditioning ever
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/12/013-1.jpg)


Too bad he didn't show up like that. Plus the wheels were gone and never coming back.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: YngiweRhoads on January 28, 2016, 08:06:32 AM
the decent high quality images show he probably had his best conditioning ever
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/12/013-1.jpg)



Looks like Boyer Coe's abs.

(http://blog.nccpt.com/wp-content/uploads/BOYER-COE-PHOTO-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM
1980 Arnold's leanest year


wooshhhhhh
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: funk51 on January 28, 2016, 10:35:47 AM
Duchaine was one ugly mofo.
and that was one of his better pictures with the rock star hair ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: funk51 on January 28, 2016, 10:37:37 AM
at his biggest 19-20 years old.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: funk51 on January 28, 2016, 10:38:53 AM
a little later.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: funk51 on January 28, 2016, 10:40:02 AM
than still later the defined arnold... ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 28, 2016, 11:34:49 AM
Gotta disagree there, he was much bigger and developed 70-74, look at his guest posing at the mr southern hemisphere 1974, he was monstrous compared to this.

at his biggest 19-20 years old.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 29, 2016, 05:17:33 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on January 29, 2016, 08:35:53 AM
Gotta disagree there, he was much bigger and developed 70-74, look at his guest posing at the mr southern hemisphere 1974, he was monstrous compared to this.

^^
Here it is!!!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: theworm on January 30, 2016, 05:06:29 AM
^^
Here it is!!!

Hard to believe he was prob on dbol maybe 600 primo and plus or minus deca and looked that good...

maybe he just trained hard.  I see guys today on 3 grams of gear and are 1/10th the size
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on January 30, 2016, 05:25:13 AM
arnold was the man

does anyone know his diet for the 80 olympia

him and mike mentzer will always be my top two favorite bodybuilders.  no way mike was 5th that day he should have been second at worst
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on January 30, 2016, 05:26:29 AM
Hard to believe he was prob on dbol maybe 600 primo and plus or minus deca and looked that good...

maybe he just trained hard.  I see guys today on 3 grams of gear and are 1/10th the size


hey worm i used to talk to casey viator, he told me arnolds pre contest routine was brutal and would kill most pros.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: theworm on January 30, 2016, 06:51:19 AM

hey worm i used to talk to casey viator, he told me arnolds pre contest routine was brutal and would kill most pros.
He say what he used?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: 6 Reps on January 30, 2016, 07:33:22 AM
There is a video of Arnold and this 1980 Mr. O contest:


http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=1006&site=1   (http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=1006&site=1)


Btw, in the original Pumping Iron book (1974) Arnold's weight is listed as 235.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on January 30, 2016, 08:10:22 AM
Hard to believe he was prob on dbol maybe 600 primo and plus or minus deca and looked that good...

maybe he just trained hard.  I see guys today on 3 grams of gear and are 1/10th the size
^^
He used to systematically OVERTRAIN, and had a pretty big appetite according to his former workout partner Ric Drasin (see his YouTube channel for his Arnold stuff)
The gear is best suited for that, it is MEANT to treat medical conditions such as Muscle Wasting, depletion, etc... the guys these days train for 45min and take WAY too much shit...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 30, 2016, 09:07:26 AM
yea funny that considering he was never the same weight each contest and was probably only that at the 75 O.

There is a video of Arnold and this 1980 Mr. O contest:


http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=1006&site=1   (http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=1006&site=1)


Btw, in the original Pumping Iron book (1974) Arnold's weight is listed as 235.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hipolito mejia on February 02, 2016, 07:02:39 AM
There is a video of Arnold and this 1980 Mr. O contest:


http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=1006&site=1   (http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=1006&site=1)


Btw, in the original Pumping Iron book (1974) Arnold's weight is listed as 235.

He was 237. In 1974 MrO

Leading to 1980 show he was 225 ... Not sure how much he weighted on stage in Sydney though
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on February 02, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
I've seen 242 and 247 for the 74 before, 247 definitely looks more like it.
He was 237. In 1974 MrO

Leading to 1980 show he was 225 ... Not sure how much he weighted on stage in Sydney though
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on February 02, 2016, 01:20:39 PM
He was 237. In 1974 MrO

Leading to 1980 show he was 225 ... Not sure how much he weighted on stage in Sydney though
^^
I really wonder if a group of 10 or 15 bodybuilders watched his entire routine at the 1980 Mr. O
and had to try to guess his weight, what would they say- OR would the answers be all over the map????
FAST FORWARD TO 2:15, GetBiggers give your opinion!!!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 02, 2016, 09:40:44 PM
That's the leanest Arnold Wooshhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hipolito mejia on February 03, 2016, 08:14:23 PM
I've seen 242 and 247 for the 74 before, 247 definitely looks more like it.

I know , hard to believe he was under 240 lbs in 1974. But Arnold has said he was 237 on stage , he went up to 242 day after ( according to the man himself anyway)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 08, 2016, 05:17:44 AM
Arnold winning his 7th Mr.O and first sandow ...plus some cash ..... Not too shabby





WooOSHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 11, 2016, 07:12:17 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 11, 2016, 07:14:33 AM
Lean dry Champ


WooSHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 11, 2016, 07:24:10 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 11, 2016, 01:46:59 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: mong on April 11, 2016, 10:42:22 PM
May as well throw in my 2 cents.I was there......at one point sitting right next to that big camera in the aisle. Finals....right behind Joe Weider who actually turned round and asked...do u think Arnold should've won? Admittedly I didn't have a very experienced eye at the time but in my humble opinion Arnold shouldn't have won. For my money...Zane...smaller yes but better proportioned, more complete, better posing. Arnold was sweating bullets. Franco even came on stage to towel him off. Must say the images in that big movie camera looked different to what I  was seeing on stage. Saw Arnold the next day at Vince's gym. Up close it was hard to believe the night b4 he had been announced the best in the world.Franco was giving a seminar.....couldn't believe how short he was and his amazing lat spread.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: njflex on April 12, 2016, 05:26:08 AM
May as well throw in my 2 cents.I was there......at one point sitting right next to that big camera in the aisle. Finals....right behind Joe Weider who actually turned round and asked...do u think Arnold should've won? Admittedly I didn't have a very experienced eye at the time but in my humble opinion Arnold shouldn't have won. For my money...Zane...smaller yes but better proportioned, more complete, better posing. Arnold was sweating bullets. Franco even came on stage to towel him off. Must say the images in that big movie camera looked different to what I  was seeing on stage. Saw Arnold the next day at Vince's gym. Up close it was hard to believe the night b4 he had been announced the best in the world.Franco was giving a seminar.....couldn't believe how short he was and his amazing lat spread.
interesting take..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 12, 2016, 05:47:20 AM
May as well throw in my 2 cents.I was there......at one point sitting right next to that big camera in the aisle. Finals....right behind Joe Weider who actually turned round and asked...do u think Arnold should've won? Admittedly I didn't have a very experienced eye at the time but in my humble opinion Arnold shouldn't have won. For my money...Zane...smaller yes but better proportioned, more complete, better posing. Arnold was sweating bullets. Franco even came on stage to towel him off. Must say the images in that big movie camera looked different to what I  was seeing on stage. Saw Arnold the next day at Vince's gym. Up close it was hard to believe the night b4 he had been announced the best in the world.Franco was giving a seminar.....couldn't believe how short he was and his amazing lat spread.

So, did you tell Weider that Zane should've won ?


WooSHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Julio Ceasar on April 12, 2016, 07:11:26 AM
Age make u leaner.

Just compare your legs arms chest back from your early days. IF u still strain that much!

If u continue doing hard work u will have gh look night and day without gear in your 50-60ies if u keep diet. Triffic! Isent it!

There is no 20yr old kid in the gym that ha arm leg separations. Milky babies! Quality come with age diet and hard work!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: mong on April 13, 2016, 03:36:25 AM
Ha I did not get a chance to answer old Joe. My mate jumped in and spoke for me! The place was in an uproar....lotta booing.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 28, 2016, 07:21:27 AM
The man was lean in 1980 !

I wonder if he took anything to detox liver at the end of such victorious year .


WooOSHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Nether Animal on April 28, 2016, 08:08:36 AM
I loved Arnold's look that year, his conditioning was stellar. Others looked their best that year, but had flaws. Roger Walker was huge but had crippling gyno, Mentzer's chest seemed to disappear in certain shots, etc.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 28, 2016, 01:20:41 PM
I loved Arnold's look that year, his conditioning was stellar. Others looked their best that year, but had flaws. Roger Walker was huge but had crippling gyno, Mentzer's chest seemed to disappear in certain shots, etc.

Don't we all ?


WooSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 28, 2016, 01:22:50 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 28, 2016, 01:23:45 PM
WooSSHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: _bruce_ on April 29, 2016, 04:27:01 AM
May as well throw in my 2 cents.I was there......at one point sitting right next to that big camera in the aisle. Finals....right behind Joe Weider who actually turned round and asked...do u think Arnold should've won? Admittedly I didn't have a very experienced eye at the time but in my humble opinion Arnold shouldn't have won. For my money...Zane...smaller yes but better proportioned, more complete, better posing. Arnold was sweating bullets. Franco even came on stage to towel him off. Must say the images in that big movie camera looked different to what I  was seeing on stage. Saw Arnold the next day at Vince's gym. Up close it was hard to believe the night b4 he had been announced the best in the world.Franco was giving a seminar.....couldn't believe how short he was and his amazing lat spread.

Interesting - I heard Franco was 4'3" on a good day. Not to forget, a great boxer.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Mr Anabolic on April 29, 2016, 06:17:50 AM
I loved Arnold's look that year, his conditioning was stellar. Others looked their best that year, but had flaws. Roger Walker was huge but had crippling gyno, Mentzer's chest seemed to disappear in certain shots, etc.

I find it funny how some people say Mentzer should've won... he was flat as a pancake.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Nether Animal on April 29, 2016, 06:53:57 AM
I find it funny how some people say Mentzer should've won... he was flat as a pancake.

Yeah, I can't get behind that at all.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 29, 2016, 07:47:35 AM
I find it funny how some people say Mentzer should've won... he was flat as a pancake.


WooOSHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 29, 2016, 07:50:52 AM
WOOOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: FREAKgeek on April 29, 2016, 07:53:11 AM
I find it funny how some people say Mentzer should've won... he was flat as a pancake.

Agreed. No chest, no width. He wasn't bad, just a boring physique.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: The Scott on April 29, 2016, 08:34:23 PM
Arnold in 1st and either Zane or Mentzer in 2nd with the other in 3rd because it could have gone either way with those two. But the Oak for the win. 

Years later I still think the only reason Haney got 8 wins is Weider thought Arnold was getting too big for his own britches.  There are several times when Haney should have lost to better physiques.  Same with that sad sack o' shit, Coleman.  Overrated pile of fly's delight if ever there were one.

Back to 1980...Dickerson doesn't even belong on the stage. Pointy elbowed, Curious George lookalike of peace.

Or something to that effect.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on April 30, 2016, 01:34:11 AM
Arnold in 1st and either Zane or Mentzer in 2nd with the other in 3rd because it could have gone either way with those two. But the Oak for the win. 

Years later I still think the only reason Haney got 8 wins is Weider thought Arnold was getting too big for his own britches.  There are several times when Haney should have lost to better physiques.  Same with that sad sack o' shit, Coleman.  Overrated pile of fly's delight if ever there were one.

Back to 1980...Dickerson doesn't even belong on the stage. Pointy elbowed, Curious George lookalike of peace.

Or something to that effect.

scott i love your views and they are dead on. i never seen the appeal in ronnie coleman what  i always found strange was when coleman was on the olympia stage and he would turn around  and pull his thong up into his giant black ass, and grown men in the crowd would go crazy.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on April 30, 2016, 06:29:17 AM
Agreed.
scott i love your views and they are dead on. i never seen the appeal in ronnie coleman what  i always found strange was when coleman was on the olympia stage and he would turn around  and pull his thong up into his giant black ass, and grown men in the crowd would go crazy.


Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on April 30, 2016, 12:18:43 PM
According to Arnold himself, he was 210 pounds during the film of Red Heat , months later he gained over 10 lbs or so ... he filmed Twins early 1988 ..

And Guys like Don Cestone saw Arnold up close training at Golds during the filming of Twins and says Arnold was looking close to his 1980 form ... Arnold was doing heavy dumbell rows and the back started to look like his former self (he was 40) ... Even Lou asked him one morning if Arnold was attempting to make another comeback .
Dont remember what Arnold answered him but there's a funny anecdote behind it .



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

This and they even mention in the movie about how Arnold's character is a 230 pound virgin (Danny Devito says it).
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on April 30, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
And what did he weigh during Hercules in New York?

250 pounds. His heaviest weight in any movie he's ever done.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Dr Dutch on April 30, 2016, 12:25:30 PM
250 pounds. His heaviest weight in any movie he's ever done.
But a bit smooth though..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on April 30, 2016, 12:33:12 PM
But a bit smooth though..

Definitely smooth.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on April 30, 2016, 02:28:33 PM
and nowhere near as developed, freaky or thick as peak 1974.
But a bit smooth though..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: FREAKgeek on April 30, 2016, 04:23:41 PM


what does he weigh here? 190?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Danimal77 on April 30, 2016, 07:47:47 PM
Arnold in 1st and either Zane or Mentzer in 2nd with the other in 3rd because it could have gone either way with those two. But the Oak for the win. 

Years later I still think the only reason Haney got 8 wins is Weider thought Arnold was getting too big for his own britches.  There are several times when Haney should have lost to better physiques.  Same with that sad sack o' shit, Coleman.  Overrated pile of fly's delight if ever there were one.

Back to 1980...Dickerson doesn't even belong on the stage. Pointy elbowed, Curious George lookalike of peace.

Or something to that effect.

Yet Dickerson WON in 1982 which blow my mind, considering he was a million times worse than he was in 1980 and 1981.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Danimal77 on April 30, 2016, 07:49:45 PM
scott i love your views and they are dead on. i never seen the appeal in ronnie coleman what  i always found strange was when coleman was on the olympia stage and he would turn around  and pull his thong up into his giant black ass, and grown men in the crowd would go crazy.



Does it surprise you that grown men would go crazy at the sight of a grown man's ass? You've been on getbig long enough to know that that's the only reason 98% of people are into bodybuilders... No homo.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on April 30, 2016, 07:52:38 PM
and nowhere near as developed, freaky or thick as peak 1974.

or even as developed, freaky or thick he was in 1971...

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Danimal77 on April 30, 2016, 08:00:41 PM
1974  :o

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on April 30, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Does it surprise you that grown men would go crazy at the sight of a grown man's ass? You've been on getbig long enough to know that that's the only reason 98% of people are into bodybuilders... No homo.

ha ha you got that right bro,   getbig is for the inner gay in all of us
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: The Scott on April 30, 2016, 08:18:50 PM
Yet Dickerson WON in 1982 which blow my mind, considering he was a million times worse than he was in 1980 and 1981.

Yup. Out of his league.  Again.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on April 30, 2016, 10:13:53 PM
mike was killing arnold in the waist and ab department though.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on May 01, 2016, 02:07:06 AM
Mike had genetically more rows of abs, wouldn't say they were better and Arnold's midsection was much shallower, mike's looked thick and bloated and chest not developed enough on top of it.

mike was killing arnold in the waist and ab department though.


Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 01, 2016, 09:10:32 AM
and nowhere near as developed, freaky or thick as peak 1974.

71' Was his freakiest year.   He had the knee injury in 72, so he never went over 240 on stage after.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Griffith on May 01, 2016, 10:50:30 AM
Mike had genetically more rows of abs, wouldn't say they were better and Arnold's midsection was much shallower, mike's looked thick and bloated and chest not developed enough on top of it.


He probably should have added some volume to his chest workouts and reduced directly training his waist with weights.

But of course, this would have gone against his training philosophy...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Viking11 on May 01, 2016, 06:07:00 PM
He probably should have added some volume to his chest workouts and reduced directly training his waist with weights.

But of course, this would have gone against his training philosophy...

He did do that early in his career. . He got up to 40 sets for pecs. His gains stalled and he was tired all year time.  His bigger issue was he had a sluggish metabolism,   he told me he would get down to 800 calories a day before a show to get ripped.  Your weaker body parts suffer when you diet so strictly.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 01, 2016, 07:43:22 PM
71' Was his freakiest year.   He had the knee injury in 72, so he never went over 240 on stage after.

He was massive in 1974. Pretty sure he was high 240's the day of the Mr. O, wasn't he?
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on May 01, 2016, 10:11:54 PM
He was massive in 1974. Pretty sure he was high 240's the day of the Mr. O, wasn't he?

237
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on May 02, 2016, 01:53:35 AM
He did do that early in his career. . He got up to 40 sets for pecs. His gains stalled and he was tired all year time.  His bigger issue was he had a sluggish metabolism,   he told me he would get down to 800 calories a day before a show to get ripped.  Your weaker body parts suffer when you diet so strictly.

hey viking  could  you share with us more of your convos with mike, i read also he went super low in calories
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 02, 2016, 03:39:06 AM
He was massive in 1974. Pretty sure he was high 240's the day of the Mr. O, wasn't he?

While I agree with you that Arnold looks about 245 lbs,  he says he was 237 in 74.

71 he was bigger  but you can't really tell judging from the very few photos available. not May pics to make a fair comparison
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hazbin on May 02, 2016, 10:47:51 AM
While I agree with you that Arnold looks about 245 lbs,  he says he was 237 in 74.

71 he was bigger  but you can't really tell judging from the very few photos available. not May pics to make a fair comparison

weird how that works.  my heaviest onstage weight was 239 and I'm less than 5'10.  yet I never looked like I was in the same sport as Arnold.  some guys are heavier than they look, some guys are lighter than they look.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: TheShape. on May 02, 2016, 10:50:30 AM
weird how that works.  my heaviest onstage weight was 239 and I'm less than 5'10.  yet I never looked like I was in the same sport as Arnold.  some guys are heavier than they look, some guys are lighter than they look.
Must be the weight distribution and skeletal structure that comes into play. Not to mention muscle bellies and body fat also taken into consideration.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 02, 2016, 03:12:08 PM
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 02, 2016, 03:13:19 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hazbin on May 02, 2016, 05:08:57 PM
Must be the weight distribution and skeletal structure that comes into play. Not to mention muscle bellies and body fat also taken into consideration.

you look at mma matchups.  the weight classes are very tight and most guys usually way identical. yet one guy looks like he weighs 30 lbs. more. ???
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 02, 2016, 08:40:15 PM
While I agree with you that Arnold looks about 245 lbs,  he says he was 237 in 74.

71 he was bigger  but you can't really tell judging from the very few photos available. not May pics to make a fair comparison



If that's what only 237 looks like (1974 Mr. O pic), than he weighed max 220 in 1975 and at best 210-212 in 1980.

Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Bevo on May 03, 2016, 01:47:25 AM


If that's what only 237 looks like (1974 Mr. O pic), than he weighed max 220 in 1975 and at best 210-212 in 1980.



Me and Arnold are around the same height, I'm 6'2 bare feet and always lean give or take 205-210, my guess is Arnold in 1980 was around 215 max, conditioning over size

Crazy how we have 212 competitors who are 5'4 in height these days imo that doesn't look good at all carrying that much weight being that short, even Lee priest who is 5'4 looked his best around the 199 mark I think
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 03, 2016, 03:23:21 AM


If that's what only 237 looks like (1974 Mr. O pic), than he weighed max 220 in 1975 and at best 210-212 in 1980.



im sure Arnold's weight in 1980 was mention in this thread already. 


Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Mr Anabolic on May 03, 2016, 05:32:08 AM
Arnold has said in a recent interview that he weighed 245-246 in 1974.  It did not mention if that was in contest shape or not.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on May 03, 2016, 08:52:27 AM
I don't think arnold is too sure himself, as I have seen him say he was 240's for 1974.

Arnold has said in a recent interview that he weighed 245-246 in 1974.  It did not mention if that was in contest shape or not.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Dr Dutch on May 03, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
and nowhere near as developed, freaky or thick as peak 1974.
Too bad there ain't much (if any decent) footage from the 74 O (when Arnold was at his best) or the 72 O when he won, but should have been demolished by Sergio.......
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldtimer1 on May 03, 2016, 07:45:35 PM
His weight is only relative to his height. I know they have him listed as 6'2" but many say he was only 6'0" on a good day. 
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Natural_O on May 03, 2016, 08:27:59 PM


If that's what only 237 looks like (1974 Mr. O pic), than he weighed max 220 in 1975 and at best 210-212 in 1980.



He was 225 for the '75 Olympia, I'm not sure what he was in 1980, probably around 220.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 04, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
Arnold in 1980 not only was he ripped; but was the biggest guy on stage !



WooShhhhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on May 04, 2016, 03:56:36 PM
look at the way his lat literally snakes into his waist here, awesome relaxed shot
Arnold in 1980 not only was he ripped; but was the biggest guy on stage !



WooShhhhhhh
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on May 04, 2016, 09:34:40 PM
Me and Arnold are around the same height, I'm 6'2 bare feet and always lean give or take 205-210, my guess is Arnold in 1980 was around 215 max, conditioning over size

Crazy how we have 212 competitors who are 5'4 in height these days imo that doesn't look good at all carrying that much weight being that short, even Lee priest who is 5'4 looked his best around the 199 mark I think

Btw, Arnold has lost a tremendous amount of height in recent years (easily 3"). I met him in 2002 at the Arnold's. I'm 5'10" and he had 3-4" on me at that time. I had to lean back my head to look up to him. I saw him again last year at the Arnolds. He was fractionally taller than me, but the difference in height was virtually unnoticeable. Poor guy. His entire upper body has collapsed. He's extremely compressed (spine/neck). He's also had a hip replacement which shaved off some height as well.

Now as for weight, I can tell you that 205-210 at 6'2" is very lean. I went as high as 240 when I lived in the gym. Today I'm in my 190's and look lean. Lee Priest going up to 270 in the offseason at 5'3" is as ridiculous as Yates going up to 305 and Ronnie and Nasser going up to 330 (all 3 guys were around my height...5'10"ish). Arnold gave off the illusion of weighing much more than he actually did. I always wondered what he would have looked like at 280 as he joked with Lou at the end of Pumping Iron how Lou's mother was going to cook pasta for him and he would get up to 280 pounds..haha. I believe the most he ever weighed was 260 pounds and when you consider that he had a 57" or 58" chest and 22" arms with low bodyfat and 0 gut, that's damn impressive.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Danimal77 on May 04, 2016, 09:40:01 PM
His weight is only relative to his height. I know they have him listed as 6'2" but many say he was only 6'0" on a good day.  

Our friend Vince Basille supposedly measured him at 6'1.5" barefoot at night back in January 1969 as a challenge. Arnold claimed to be 6'1 3/4" or 6'2" and Vince said he was shorter (Vince was only 5'9.5" himself), so Arnold took off his shoes and allowed himself to be measured. Remember, we are all shorter at night than we are in the morning (some by 1"). Arnold today is barely 5'10" poor guy. MAJOR spinal compression. Anyway, here's Vince's article on having measured Arnold in his prime:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2vabif9&s=1#.VyrOWE_w49Q (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2vabif9&s=1#.VyrOWE_w49Q)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on May 05, 2016, 06:26:20 AM
Too bad there ain't much (if any decent) footage from the 74 O (when Arnold was at his best) or the 72 O when he won, but should have been demolished by Sergio.......

Pics I've seen side by side at that contest Arnold wins easily.

A lot of people say Arnold lost in 1980 but off the video he wins by a mile no-one is near him.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: theredeemer on May 05, 2016, 07:08:49 AM
Nordic genes are simply superior.  Body and brain.  Hitler was right.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: hench on May 05, 2016, 07:31:05 AM
Yea the pics and videos don't lie, arnold is compared to his best too much and not the others.
 
Pics I've seen side by side at that contest Arnold wins easily.

A lot of people say Arnold lost in 1980 but off the video he wins by a mile no-one is near him.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: AbrahamG on May 06, 2016, 08:14:15 PM
Imagine how many blowjobs he must have received in the 70's.  Damn.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 09, 2016, 01:29:17 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 20, 2016, 07:10:20 AM
36 years ago today ...

With Dennis T. June 1980 at Flippers Roller Disco in Los Angeles, California....No one knew Arnold had another sandow just months away...




WoooSHHHHHHHHH  Lean
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 20, 2016, 07:19:00 AM
 ;D



WooShhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 20, 2016, 07:31:56 AM
L E A N
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Griffith on June 20, 2016, 08:28:31 AM
I think he looked his best in 1980.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Eric2 on June 20, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
36 years ago today ...

With Dennis T. June 1980 at Flippers Roller Disco in Los Angeles, California....No one knew Arnold had another sandow just months away...




WoooSHHHHHHHHH  Lean


Looks like Mildred baena next to arnie
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Svengoolie on June 20, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
Getting samir ready for his schmoe apportionment in that pic up there
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 20, 2016, 05:00:28 PM
I think he looked his best in 1980.


Wooshhhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Viking11 on June 20, 2016, 06:36:27 PM
hey viking  could  you share with us more of your convos with mike, i read also he went super low in calories
Sorry, missed this, busy with writing papers etc. He told me he did go super low in calories- 800 in the last weeks before a contest, but he dieted strictly like that for 6 weeks, otherwise he generally tried to stay fairly defined, but ate more to maintain it and grow. Didn't believe in force feeding nutrients. I will write more if there is still an interest.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 03, 2016, 12:10:30 PM
Today is a perfect day to achieve this tan ....



Have a great pre 4th !


wooSSHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 08, 2016, 12:01:10 PM
This day was the end of Mentzer bodybuilding career .


Wooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on September 21, 2016, 07:23:19 AM
Arnold - "This is how you do it ".

Barracuda mode forever !



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on September 21, 2016, 07:25:45 AM
Note for the younger Getbigger:

Arnold retired twice....both exiting thru the big door ....a winner.




WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on September 21, 2016, 07:35:20 AM
Arnold came back and didn't look atrophied, he might have been down in size but the quality was still there,  his lines, mass, development and proportions still dominated.  Even now he doesn't look atrophied, just scaled down, still has the big arms, chest and calves 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 21, 2016, 08:03:51 AM
This day was the end of Mentzer bodybuilding career .


Wooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Also the end of Menter's sanity.  lol.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: TheShape. on September 21, 2016, 09:25:17 AM
Arnold came back and didn't look atrophied, he might have been down in size but the quality was still there,  his lines, mass, development and proportions still dominated.  Even now he doesn't look atrophied, just scaled down, still has the big arms, chest and calves 
The only body part that somewhat regressed that year was his quads. I think it had to do with the short time he trained rather than actual muscle deterioration. In the end he was still the best up there that day.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Dr Dutch on September 21, 2016, 10:38:14 AM
Arnold came back and didn't look atrophied, he might have been down in size but the quality was still there,  his lines, mass, development and proportions still dominated.  Even now he doesn't look atrophied, just scaled down, still has the big arms, chest and calves 
Arnold wasn't HIS best in 1980 (he was in 74), but he still was THE best in 1980.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on September 21, 2016, 11:27:50 AM
Lol, and there's still people that say he looked like shit and it was a blatant robbery... Arnold looked great, not at his best and most massive but still far above the competition, he was the winner fair and square, for sure not the 5'7 blocky Mentzer with a distended midsection...

Mike Mentzer was 5'8". His brother Ray was an inch taller at 5'9".
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on September 21, 2016, 11:28:39 AM
And what did he weigh during Hercules in New York?

250. He's said this more than once.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Dr Dutch on September 21, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
36 years ago today ...

With Dennis T. June 1980 at Flippers Roller Disco in Los Angeles, California....No one knew Arnold had another sandow just months away...




WoooSHHHHHHHHH  Lean
Was this before Dennis became a new-born-christian ?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on September 21, 2016, 11:48:41 AM
I just don't think he had the time to add the size but didn't look atrophied as in old or damaged.
The only body part that somewhat regressed that year was his quads. I think it had to do with the short time he trained rather than actual muscle deterioration. In the end he was still the best up there that day.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on September 21, 2016, 01:11:29 PM
228 lbs at 6'1"  never seemed so big .  at the height, the average bodybuilder would need to be at least 245 lbs to match his size .

And Kevin Levrone claimed to be 243 pounds at 5'9" at this years Mr. O with NO legs...haha
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on September 21, 2016, 01:12:34 PM
x2 and if Arnold continued to improve, say come in at 255-60 in the same condition, which I think he could have done, he would have beaten Haney as well. He literally could have held the title for 15 years or more if it mattered to him. He was only 34 in 1980 and could have gone on well into his early forties like Zane, Dickerson and Dex did.

He was 33 in 1980 (born in 1947).
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 - What drugs was he on to be this lean ?
Post by: Danimal77 on September 21, 2016, 01:14:58 PM
His biggest and best was in 1971

sadly, the videos and photos from 1971 are rare and bad quality

Arnold won it unopposed; therefore J Weider didn't feel like printing pictures of the show under such circumstances.



WOOOSSHHHHHHH

 



WoooSHHHHHHHHH

Yup, he reportedly weighed 265 pounds (his heaviest ever) in preparation for the 1971 Mr. Olympia.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 21, 2016, 01:45:32 PM
Exactly! he retired  in 1975 the top names back then were Oliva,Ferrigno,Katz ,Waller etc all over 240 lbs...the following years  Arnold got off the sauce, his skin was really lose for a 30 year old guy 76,77,78, specially 1979,And don't forget,by 1980 the game had changed drastically, Zane,Robinso,Dickerson,Makawi,Mentzer etc were the ones dominating  "were ripped" and under 220 lbs... So by spring 1980 not only Arnold got lean but his skin was thinner than ever!!! with striations never before seen in his prime even the split chest...... I really doubt it was the same "Formula" he applied 10 years early the early 70's.





That is what a BB should look like. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Hack Benchers on September 21, 2016, 02:00:18 PM
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHH
It keeps amazing me how many cool pics there are of Arnold.
Always when I think I have seen them all a new bunch of pics show up.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: njflex on September 21, 2016, 02:15:14 PM
It keeps amazing me how many cool pics there are of Arnold.
Always when I think I have seen them all a new bunch of pics show up.
YEAH THATS WHAT I THOUGHT,,,
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on September 21, 2016, 03:24:05 PM
I think 80 showcased how great Arnolds traps and shoulder width were, his conditioning was probably the best it's been but in 73/74 he had more mass and was balanced everywhere.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: TheShape. on September 21, 2016, 04:13:27 PM
I just don't think he had the time to add the size but didn't look atrophied as in old or damaged.
Correct.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 11, 2017, 06:40:03 AM
In search for the "1980 Arnold granite look/shape "




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 12, 2017, 02:33:52 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 12, 2017, 02:37:07 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 12, 2017, 02:46:54 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hipolito mejia on January 13, 2017, 03:39:14 AM
:)

This was early 70s.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Griffith on January 13, 2017, 11:14:38 PM
I still think 1980 was his best.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 14, 2017, 03:41:11 PM
1975 was his most ripped condition.  His biggest was 74 I believe.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 14, 2017, 03:58:10 PM
1974 easily his most developed and balanced, 73 probably not far off but very few pics of that show.


1975 was his most ripped condition.  His biggest was 74 I believe.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Griffith on January 16, 2017, 07:09:11 AM
1974 easily his most developed and balanced, 73 probably not far off but very few pics of that show.



1980 was arguably his best conditioning though.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on January 16, 2017, 07:26:06 AM
1980 was arguably his best conditioning though.
^^
True on that, how many here can aspire to this conditioning- except WES :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 16, 2017, 07:38:20 AM
But was it? The pics and footage of 74 is poor, there are some good pics of him receiving the trophy in 73, his separation and conditioning looks great, specially in the quads.

1980 was arguably his best conditioning though.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: _aj_ on January 16, 2017, 08:04:02 AM
The casual flex on that bicep is amazing  :o

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520732)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: tres_taco_combo on January 16, 2017, 09:10:23 AM
these dudes from the golden era all have flawless skin - no nasty bacne or anything?? how the hell did they pull that off
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: drum on January 16, 2017, 09:20:01 AM
these dudes from the golden era all have flawless skin - no nasty bacne or anything?? how the hell did they pull that off

Low test, lots of winny, real food no bullshit food, lots of tanning
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: njflex on January 16, 2017, 10:11:26 AM
Low test, lots of winny, real food no bullshit food, lots of tanning
real drugs,real training,real sun
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: pellius on January 16, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
Low test, lots of winny, real food no bullshit food, lots of tanning

LOL @ "Lots of winny"
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 16, 2017, 02:00:05 PM
He was dry like never before .


WooSHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 16, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
WooSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 16, 2017, 02:31:09 PM
I think some of his 80s gym shots are outstanding
WooSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: nukkaready on January 16, 2017, 03:13:50 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: nukkaready on January 16, 2017, 03:15:56 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Natural_O on January 16, 2017, 10:55:02 PM
This was the best one from '80
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 17, 2017, 04:38:43 AM
He looks ridiculous there
This was the best one from '80
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 17, 2017, 07:17:47 AM
He looks ridiculous there

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=668002;image)


WooSHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 17, 2017, 10:42:27 AM
Pisses all over anyone today
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=668002;image)


WooSHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 17, 2017, 06:42:47 PM
 ;D coming back in 1980 he was  the lean,dry champ"


WooSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Natural_O on January 18, 2017, 03:53:39 PM
Here's what Roger Walker from Australia had to say about the 1980 Mr. Olympia. Fast forward to the 50:30 min mark -
http://www.floridaphysique.com/bodybuilding-legends---roger-walker
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 18, 2017, 07:01:47 PM
Here's what Roger Walker from Australia had to say about the 1980 Mr. Olympia. Fast forward to the 50:30 min mark -
http://www.floridaphysique.com/bodybuilding-legends---roger-walker

Thanks


WooSHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Primemuscle on January 18, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
After all the political shit posts, including mine. This tread is a breath of fresh air, although it is mostly ancient history.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 19, 2017, 06:22:47 AM
Here's what Roger Walker from Australia had to say about the 1980 Mr. Olympia. Fast forward to the 50:30 min mark -
http://www.floridaphysique.com/bodybuilding-legends---roger-walker

Great interview !

Things to notice -

1- Paul Graham was/is a criminal ? Did Ben and Joe knew at the time ?

2- When Roger says that Arnold and Paul were "more than friends " ....what did he mean by that ??

partners in Illicit business??



WooSHHHHHHHHH

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 19, 2017, 06:50:50 AM
I think arnold got mixed up on some of graham's dodgy dealings,  graham did prison time and kept arnolds name out of it if I remember rightly. 
Great interview !

Things to notice -

1- Paul Graham was/is a criminal ? Did Ben and Joe knew at the time ?

2- When Roger says that Arnold and Paul were "more than friends " ....what did he mean by that ??

partners in Illicit business??



WooSHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 19, 2017, 07:24:47 AM
Roger says 1980 Mr.O was a "show" not a contest......... that Arnold was awarded" but did not win the Mr.O


doesn't even think Arnold should have placed top 8 at the 1980 Mr.O !!!

Arnold's 1980 Sandow is like a precious stolen watch and he should give it back "

Is it true the CBS footage was thrown in the trash ??


Only Bannout  and Platz said (at the time) Arnold was the legit winner ....however I think John interviewed him about it and he now thinks Arnold was"gifted" that sandow .....



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 19, 2017, 07:36:19 AM
Roger says he knew months prior the contest that Arnold was going to make a comeback and was up to something with promoter Paul '


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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Natural_O on January 19, 2017, 07:38:52 AM
Samir didn't think Arnold should have won either. Go to the 53:00 mark in this interview -
http://www.floridaphysique.com/bodybuilding-legends---samir-bannout-par
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 19, 2017, 07:39:46 AM
Don't matter what they say, all the footage and pictures have arnold the clear winner even below his par which is what they all compared him to.l

Roger says 1980 Mr.O was a "show" not a contest......... that Arnold was awarded" but did not win the Mr.O


doesn't even think Arnold should have placed top 8 at the 1980 Mr.O !!!

Arnold's 1980 Sandow is like a precious stolen watch and he should give it back "

Is it true the CBS footage was thrown in the trash ??


Only Bannout  and Platz said (at the time) Arnold was the legit winner ....however I think John interviewed him about it and he now thinks Arnold was"gifted" that sandow .....



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Post by: Pet shop boys on January 19, 2017, 07:43:35 AM
Not worthy of a top six finisher ?  really?

Damn I need the remaster never before seen footage  pronto !



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: ARNIE1947 on January 19, 2017, 07:46:50 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 19, 2017, 07:47:02 AM
Samir didn't think Arnold should have won either. Go to the 53:00 mark in this interview -
http://www.floridaphysique.com/bodybuilding-legends---samir-bannout-par

Thanks,  back in the day Both him and Platz said Arnold was the clear winner (maybe were intimidated? ) because they were new comers at the time  ....who knows ?


Franco also says Arnold won hands down  ;D.....but I think Franco's Opinion regarding mr.O 80 & 81 is extremely questionable .



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: ARNIE1947 on January 19, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Natural_O on January 19, 2017, 07:58:24 AM
Photographer Wayne Gallasch from Australia says that the contest was between Arnold and Chris Dickerson -
http://www.floridaphysique.com/bodybuilding-legends---wayne-gallasch
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Eric2 on January 19, 2017, 09:03:56 AM
Much as I dislike Arnold he won that show. Every shot I've seen he looks better than the others. Would he still have one it if he did not, probably most likely was a set up. Arnold is a bastard.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: illuminati on January 19, 2017, 12:44:21 PM
Roger says 1980 Mr.O was a "show" not a contest......... that Arnold was awarded" but did not win the Mr.O


doesn't even think Arnold should have placed top 8 at the 1980 Mr.O !!!

Arnold's 1980 Sandow is like a precious stolen watch and he should give it back "

Is it true the CBS footage was thrown in the trash ??


Only Bannout  and Platz said (at the time) Arnold was the legit winner ....however I think John interviewed him about it and he now thinks Arnold was"gifted" that sandow .....



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As much as i think roger's physique was very good,
Saying Arnold was not worthy of the top 8 is very much sour grapes
Does he really believe he was a better physique than Arnold on that day.

Oh well he is entitled to his opinion.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 19, 2017, 01:12:12 PM
This is it, none of these guys want to admit they couldnt look as good as an underprepared and retired bodybuilder.


As much as i think roger's physique was very good,
Saying Arnold was not worthy of the top 8 is very much sour grapes
Does he really believe he was a better physique than Arnold on that day.

Oh well he is entitled to his opinion.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 19, 2017, 07:04:04 PM
This is it, none of these guys want to admit they couldnt look as good as an underprepared and retired bodybuilder.

Roger says that Arnold disrespected all of them by continuously saying in public that he did in several weeks what took others a full year .


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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 19, 2017, 07:05:32 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 19, 2017, 07:14:03 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: AbrahamG on January 19, 2017, 08:31:35 PM
Not even at his best and the Oak delivered a face-fucking for the ages.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 20, 2017, 01:11:24 AM
I can see why that'd upset them, but then the truth hurts.
So much detail in these 80 shots, he looks very refined.

Roger says that Arnold disrespected all of them by continuously saying in public that he did in several weeks what took others a full year .


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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: njflex on January 20, 2017, 05:02:28 AM
I can see why that'd upset them, but then the truth hurts.
So much detail in these 80 shots, he looks very refined.

take zane smoother /bigger 69/early 7o's ,like Arnold ,mid 70's he started to get the look more refined then 77/82 was shredded 'zane look'
Arnold's build then captured what was needed at that time with his signature bodyparts split/diced like never before..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 20, 2017, 07:10:47 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: illuminati on January 20, 2017, 07:46:50 AM
^^^^^^ in that pic standing in the back row
Dennis T's  Arms & abs Looking great.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 20, 2017, 08:31:36 AM
^^^^^^ in that pic standing in the back row
Dennis T's  Arms & abs Looking great.

Looking like Ferrigno 92'


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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Natural_O on January 20, 2017, 08:59:03 AM
^^^^^^ in that pic standing in the back row
Dennis T's  Arms & abs Looking great.

Dennis always looked great from the front but his back was a big weak point.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 20, 2017, 09:00:42 AM
And when he lifted up his arms it showed his weaknesses.
Dennis always looked great from the front but his back was a big weak point.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: njflex on January 20, 2017, 09:04:21 AM
And when he lifted up his arms it showed his weaknesses.
long limbed ...but great old school build..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on January 20, 2017, 12:06:23 PM
yea, and looked great just standing there
long limbed ...but great old school build..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 25, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 06, 2017, 07:17:38 AM
TEAM LEAN !!!!



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 06, 2017, 11:33:05 AM
 ;D

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Hack Benchers on February 06, 2017, 11:39:58 AM
The casual flex on that bicep is amazing  :o

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=520732)
Lol great stuff, I love this set of pics of Arnold promoting these sups.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2017, 05:15:26 PM
Thanks,  back in the day Both him and Platz said Arnold was the clear winner (maybe were intimidated? ) because they were new comers at the time  ....who knows ?


Franco also says Arnold won hands down  ;D.....but I think Franco's Opinion regarding mr.O 80 & 81 is extremely questionable .



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I remember reading an interview with Roy Callendar years ago and he said that Arnold deserved to win the 1980 Olympia but next year was a travesty.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 07, 2017, 06:18:49 AM
WOSH LEVRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 07, 2017, 07:14:08 AM
'the 1980 Mr.Olympia and the way I looked this year,  will be the most talked bodybuilding event in human kind ....mark my words"





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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 08, 2017, 07:44:53 AM
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 23, 2017, 07:49:59 AM
 rare one

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on February 23, 2017, 10:48:00 AM
Roger says that Arnold disrespected all of them by continuously saying in public that he did in several weeks what took others a full year .


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pet shop what was arnolds diet for this contest u need to post it
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Jamaal on February 23, 2017, 11:17:14 AM
TEAM LEAN !!!!



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Easy to maintain surfer physique

- today's gym junkies
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on February 26, 2017, 11:08:13 PM
pet shop what was arnolds diet for this contest u need to post it
^^
Ric Drasin was saying he went ultra-low carbs, when he saw him in the gym for instance he would only eat a handful of green grapes
in the last month as his ONLY source of carbs!!
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Post by: Pet shop boys on February 27, 2017, 07:23:15 AM
More rare 1980 pics  with Jusup.




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Post by: Pet shop boys on February 27, 2017, 07:24:43 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 27, 2017, 07:28:32 AM
1980 .... Amazing lineup .



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 27, 2017, 07:36:47 AM
If this 1980 pic ever makes it as a pull out poster in FLEX mag,  subscribers will never know it .




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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Jamaal on February 27, 2017, 11:46:30 AM
Great throwback photos!
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 28, 2017, 05:45:07 PM
I think Mike has him here  :o
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on February 28, 2017, 06:10:05 PM
I think Mike has him here  :o

mikes conditioning was better i dont get how some of these morons on here say mike had a wide waist
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Eric2 on February 28, 2017, 06:10:48 PM
I think Mike has him here  :o

Yes he does. Mike's calves are not only bigger but defined. His chest and shoulders are more defined as well. Arnold is smooth and flat in this particular shot.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on February 28, 2017, 06:20:56 PM
Mike had a thick midsection front to back/side on and a shallow chest, especially in comparison to arnold. In many shots his belly sticks out further than his chest
mikes conditioning was better i dont get how some of these morons on here say mike had a wide waist
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Eric2 on February 28, 2017, 06:23:25 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yv6EmBE71sA/TBSu6RCn8FI/AAAAAAAAC1w/79hNJX8G6bA/s1600/Mike+Mentzer+4.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 28, 2017, 07:58:36 PM
The real view .



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 28, 2017, 07:59:57 PM
 ;D



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: BSN on February 28, 2017, 09:55:35 PM
Dickerson looks great here.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on March 01, 2017, 02:48:35 AM
Arnold stood I the background there and still bigger than Mike with better waist to shoulder ratio
;D



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Jamaal on March 01, 2017, 10:01:12 AM
I think Mike has him here  :o

How does an 18" arm look as big as a 22" arm there?  :o
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: ARNIE1947 on March 01, 2017, 10:44:54 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Jamaal on March 01, 2017, 10:47:45 AM
Strange to see these photos and then realize that Mentzer got caught up in amphetimine use afterward and wouldn't be the same again.
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Post by: JAGO on March 01, 2017, 11:58:14 AM
Dickerson looks great here.

Looks like Frank has that shot.

J
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Eric2 on March 01, 2017, 12:21:01 PM
Dickerson looks great here.

Arnold's back is flat and nowhere as impressive as Dickerson and Zane.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Nether Animal on March 01, 2017, 12:23:08 PM
Dickerson looks great here.

Yeah for sure. Also, I'm shocked at how small Arnie's arms look from behind there..
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Post by: Jamaal on March 01, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
Arnold's back is flat and nowhere as impressive as Dickerson and Zane.

"Politics"
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Post by: Pet shop boys on March 01, 2017, 01:27:51 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on March 01, 2017, 01:52:43 PM
Arnold's bdb was awesome,  even in 1980.
;D
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Post by: BSN on March 01, 2017, 10:51:36 PM
fdb & bdb
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Post by: BSN on March 01, 2017, 10:53:08 PM
Arnold vs Dickerson
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: tommywishbone on March 02, 2017, 09:18:09 AM
Yeah for sure. Also, I'm shocked at how small Arnie's arms look from behind there..

Agreed. Dickerson's 17 inch arms look bigger.
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on March 02, 2017, 09:58:51 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on March 02, 2017, 10:01:13 AM
 :)
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Post by: hench on March 02, 2017, 11:13:51 AM
Look how wide and sweeping arnolds lats actually are here, even not at his best. He just needed to place his hands more infront of him so his arms didn't detract from the pose
8)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2017, 06:36:37 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Jamaal on March 04, 2017, 08:20:49 AM
That picture above shows again that Mentzer might be a better poser than Arnold... He's substantially smaller by dimension and still appears large
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Post by: karasan on March 05, 2017, 03:19:29 AM
That picture above shows again that Mentzer might be a better poser than Arnold... He's substantially smaller by dimension and still appears large
I don't know why more people don't mention this, but Mike Mentzer seemed like the one of the greatest posers this "sport" has ever seen.
Ofcourse not able to tense his abs during "79 Olympia cost him heavily but still, coupled with his amazing physqiue he's among few master posers in my book.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on March 05, 2017, 05:10:21 PM
I know it's been said before, but watch the video and Arnold wins easily.

He was in his best shape, a little smaller but so what you don't drop 10 pounds to be leaner and stay the same size. His structure beats everyone there easily only Zane was close.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 05, 2017, 07:48:11 PM
I know it's been said before, but watch the video and Arnold wins easily.

He was in his best shape, a little smaller but so what you don't drop 10 pounds to be leaner and stay the same size. His structure beats everyone there easily only Zane was close.


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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 05, 2017, 08:05:07 PM
Classic lines at its best...

"He was down to a point "



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 06, 2017, 05:52:45 AM
I don't know why more people don't mention this, but Mike Mentzer seemed like the one of the greatest posers this "sport" has ever seen.
Ofcourse not able to tense his abs during "79 Olympia cost him heavily but still, coupled with his amazing physqiue he's among few master posers in my book.

not to mention one of the most talented writers the sport ever had, you could read a article by mentzer and tell he actually put some thought into it. guy was a great writer for sure.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 06, 2017, 07:47:45 AM
not to mention one of the most talented writers the sport ever had, you could read a article by mentzer and tell he actually put some thought into it. guy was a great writer for sure.

Ronnie Coleman had a column in Flex Mag very eloquent btw .



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Post by: BSN on March 10, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Griffith on March 10, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
Arnold was still good enough to take it, his conditioning alone was exceptional and he still had most of his size.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on March 19, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
Arnold was still good enough to take it, his conditioning alone was exceptional and he still had most of his size.



This shot has been posted numerous times ...but here's a better quality .



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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 19, 2017, 12:00:48 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 19, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Ronnie Coleman had a column in Flex Mag very eloquent btw .



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bwa ha ha pet shop good one, yeah ronnies articles were so helpfull   " i lift that heavy ass weight, yip yip light weight, chad has me take these pills and stuff and they dry me out. i am on so many drugs pain meds etc i dont even feel pain when i train "
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 19, 2017, 03:08:22 PM

bwa ha ha pet shop good one, yeah ronnies articles were so helpfull   " i lift that heavy ass weight, yip yip light weight, chad has me take these pills and stuff and they dry me out. i am on so many drugs pain meds etc i dont even feel pain when i train "


Nuthing' but a peanut


LOL WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 19, 2017, 05:33:30 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 19, 2017, 05:56:21 PM
WoooShhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: TheShape. on March 19, 2017, 09:02:51 PM
^^^^
My favorite Arnie pic. Great physique!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: BSN on March 20, 2017, 08:10:48 AM
I-I
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Post by: Pet shop boys on March 20, 2017, 07:17:26 PM
 ;D
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Post by: BSN on March 21, 2017, 06:57:05 AM
 ;D
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Post by: BSN on March 21, 2017, 11:03:43 PM
 ;)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on March 22, 2017, 07:08:06 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 23, 2017, 05:54:35 AM
The sun gives you an extra pump ! 

Imagine if doing a Terminator movie in this kind of  shape !


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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 23, 2017, 06:12:29 AM
The 1980 lean dry champ !




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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on March 23, 2017, 06:15:30 AM
Never seen that top one, he was in great shape, it's funny how he was considered out of shape because he brought a different package, yet he wasn't smooth, no gut, still had all showpiece body pars,  arms, calves and chest.
Still too much for the others
The 1980 lean dry champ !




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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 23, 2017, 06:44:19 AM
Never seen that top one, he was in great shape, it's funny how he was considered out of shape because he brought a different package, yet he wasn't smooth, no gut, still had all showpiece body pars,  arms, calves and chest.
Still too much for the others

YES
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on March 23, 2017, 06:51:53 AM
This video footage is weird, like the aspect ratio is off but more so the bottom half, stretching all their legs out.

YES
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: njflex on March 23, 2017, 07:17:51 AM
Never seen that top one, he was in great shape, it's funny how he was considered out of shape because he brought a different package, yet he wasn't smooth, no gut, still had all showpiece body pars,  arms, calves and chest.
Still too much for the others
I agree,,to this day Arnold had unique chest/back shape/lats,,,bi's of course,and with his condition AND POSING HE'S UNBEATABLE...relaxed he looked ok but poses/flexed his muscle would just pop..thats what Arnold had in spades'no racist'
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on March 23, 2017, 07:24:28 AM
Yep, I still struggle to comprehend the size and mass he had with his frame and weigh so little "apparently" and it's not an illusion, Walker the second biggest guy is dwarfed yet didn't he supposedly weigh the same and mentor too, 225?
I agree,,to this day Arnold had unique chest/back shape/lats,,,bi's of course,and with his condition AND POSING HE'S UNBEATABLE...relaxed he looked ok but poses/flexed his muscle would just pop..thats what Arnold had in spades'no racist'
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 23, 2017, 07:27:29 AM
The 1980 lean dry champ !




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hey petshop this is no bullshit i talked to casey viator several times through email years ago, he told me and i quot "arnolds precontest routine would kill most pros" he said arnold trained like a madman for the olympia
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 23, 2017, 07:37:42 AM
I agree,,to this day Arnold had unique chest/back shape/lats,,,bi's of course,and with his condition AND POSING HE'S UNBEATABLE...relaxed he looked ok but poses/flexed his muscle would just pop..thats what Arnold had in spades'no racist'

Game over.


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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 23, 2017, 07:39:49 AM
This video footage is weird, like the aspect ratio is off but more so the bottom half, stretching all their legs out.


One day the never before seen remastered 1980 footage ,will be released ..... not today though



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 23, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
One day the never before seen remastered 1980 footage ,will be released ..... not today though



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


dammit pet shop when?  this shit should be on blue ray i could watch arnold train for hrs.     
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Post by: BSN on March 23, 2017, 11:24:28 AM
..
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Post by: Tarantula157 on March 23, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on March 23, 2017, 08:55:59 PM
One day the never before seen remastered 1980 footage ,will be released ..... not today though



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
^^
Watch the whole vid:   
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Post by: illuminati on March 24, 2017, 12:49:41 AM
^^
Watch the whole vid:   




I have the original comeback video.
Only now don't have a video player. !! 😢

Arnold flouting the rules - Tricep pose.  Ha.
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Post by: hench on March 24, 2017, 02:06:09 AM
Dunno why he did that, in the comeback footage he walks on and we see the competitors side on, arnold is so much thicker front to back than anyone else and he flexes his triceps.
Found a pic, there is a slightly better shot a second or so later but this is what I mean.


(http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/fbbuploads/med_1184253767-1980t.jpg)


I have the original comeback video.
Only now don't have a video player. !! 😢

Arnold flouting the rules - Tricep pose.  Ha.
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Post by: hipolito mejia on March 24, 2017, 03:32:32 AM
For some unexplained reason Arnold tries to avoid the 1980 Mr.O topic , in his total reacall book he only dedicates one page to it , despite its the most controversial contest in bodybuilding history. 

If there is still an unseen footage, Arnold is the only person who don't want it out, seems he's not interested in making a single penny by releasing it.
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Post by: hench on March 24, 2017, 05:31:33 AM
I did read somewhere a while back he did feel bad about stuff at the 80 O and I'm sure he said "it wasnt my wisest decision"


For some unexplained reason Arnold tries to avoid the 1980 Mr.O topic , in his total reacall book he only dedicates one page to it , despite its the most controversial contest in bodybuilding history. 

If there is still an unseen footage, Arnold is the only person who don't want it out, seems he's not interested in making a single penny by releasing it.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on March 24, 2017, 07:44:31 PM
I did read somewhere a while back he did feel bad about stuff at the 80 O and I'm sure he said "it wasnt my wisest decision"



Yes, I remember that too....but that is because 95% of guys who competed against him that year , say Arnold wasn't even top 3 ....

Arnold now says it wasn't a smart move, because he stole Zane's thunder and the opportunity to other guys to win it , which it plain BS.



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: Pet shop boys on March 24, 2017, 07:46:18 PM
^^
Watch the whole vid:   



Thanks .

Only Platz,Franco and Sammir  thought Arnold was the clear winner there .....years later only Franco still think so .




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 25, 2017, 11:45:34 AM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on March 25, 2017, 03:02:10 PM

Thanks .

Only Platz,Franco and Sammir  thought Arnold was the clear winner there .....years later only Franco still think so .




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH
And Roy Callendar.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on March 25, 2017, 04:33:31 PM
Pictures and video don't lie.  Arnold was too much for these inferior specimens, I can see why they'd be pissed having to train for longer and prep more and still not better him
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Post by: Tarantula157 on March 25, 2017, 04:42:37 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Tarantula157 on March 25, 2017, 04:43:57 PM
Pictures and video don't lie.  Arnold was too much for these inferior specimens, I can see why they'd be pissed having to train for longer and prep more and still not better him
This picture says  it all.
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Post by: oldschoolfan on March 25, 2017, 04:54:54 PM
YES

pet shop are you mad at me cause i love mike mentzer to ?
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2017, 05:45:50 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 26, 2017, 08:15:26 PM
pet shop are you mad at me cause i love mike mentzer to ?


We all like Mentzer one way or another ....he was a living proof  a bodybuilder could be intellectual and eloquent ,  not Arnold .




WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  LEVRO NEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: The Scott on March 26, 2017, 08:27:17 PM
Arnold 1st and either Mentzer or Zane 2nd/3rd.   Dickerson the porn dog should not even have been on stage except at Jimmy Zs. 

Mentzer was great and had much to contribute but failed to come back with a vengeance.  Instead he decided to hide away like so many little guys.  He should, you know...show them. Show them the whole thing.

Arnold was still too much for any one that day, but if Mentzer had taken the Oak's attitude when he lost to Zane in the 60s, he would have walked all over every one (especially Franco) in '81.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Eric2 on March 26, 2017, 08:46:25 PM
Arnold 1st and either Mentzer or Zane 2nd/3rd.   Dickerson the porn dog should not even have been on stage except at Jimmy Zs.  

Mentzer was great and had much to contribute but failed to come back with a vengeance.  Instead he decided to hide away like so many little guys.  He should, you know...show them. Show them the whole thing.

Arnold was still too much for any one that day, but if Mentzer had taken the Oak's attitude when he lost to Zane in the 60s, he would have walked all over every one (especially Franco) in '81.

Agreed. Mike could have been so much more,as a competitor. Problem also lied with the Weiders, Mike was not their chosen one. I think all things happen for a reason, Mike became obsessed over this unfortunately. Yet he created a whole new sector of people looking to train in a different manner. He created a movement against the Weider doctrine.
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Post by: Natural_O on March 27, 2017, 10:00:39 AM
Arnold 1st and either Mentzer or Zane 2nd/3rd.   Dickerson the porn dog should not even have been on stage except at Jimmy Zs. 

Mentzer was great and had much to contribute but failed to come back with a vengeance.  Instead he decided to hide away like so many little guys.  He should, you know...show them. Show them the whole thing.

Arnold was still too much for any one that day, but if Mentzer had taken the Oak's attitude when he lost to Zane in the 60s, he would have walked all over every one (especially Franco) in '81.

No one was going to beat Franco in '81, no one.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 27, 2017, 10:13:02 AM
Arnold 1st and either Mentzer or Zane 2nd/3rd.   Dickerson the porn dog should not even have been on stage except at Jimmy Zs. 

Mentzer was great and had much to contribute but failed to come back with a vengeance.  Instead he decided to hide away like so many little guys.  He should, you know...show them. Show them the whole thing.

Arnold was still too much for any one that day, but if Mentzer had taken the Oak's attitude when he lost to Zane in the 60s, he would have walked all over every one (especially Franco) in '81.

Any truth to what I heard about Mike Mentzer? I heard he was an addicted drug addict who became mentally ill from it.

Mentzer was a great bodybuilder by he was beaten bad by Kalman in the Universe. He looked smaller and less ripped in comparison. All anyone can say negative about Kalman is that his calves weren't as good as Mentzer. I would counter that everything else was better from back, chest, delts and arms. 

Mentzer also lost the Universe to Robby.  Again Robby looked in ripped condition and Mentzer didn't.  Some again will say Mentzer had calves and Robby didn't.

I liked Mentzer back in the day. He has been a huge influence on my training.  I used to buy anything he wrote in the magazines. I would rip the article out and put it in a binder. I wonder if anyone has the amount of Mentzer articles that I have? It's just that many HIT guys won't accept that he wasn't always the best in contests and volume guys beat him. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Tarantula157 on March 27, 2017, 09:30:50 PM
No one was going to beat Franco in '81, no one.
Even Arnold?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 28, 2017, 07:50:23 AM
 ;D
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Post by: Dokey111 on March 28, 2017, 08:30:23 AM
^ no delts on Arnold  ???
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on March 28, 2017, 09:31:35 AM
Arnold's delts and shoulder region were great this year, thats just one pic. His delts could easily contain walkers and mentzers.
(http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo324/Tyrol3/indexCATPXKKY.jpg)

   
^ no delts on Arnold  ???
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Post by: Pet shop boys on March 28, 2017, 10:41:34 AM
 ;D wosh
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Post by: BSN on March 28, 2017, 10:55:52 AM
..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: oldschoolfan on March 28, 2017, 11:11:17 AM
mentzer stated in one of his books that him and joe got along great, remember joe was paying him 150k a year in the early 80's that was huge money, he stated ben weider was the one who hated him.


mentzer to me was the best thinking bodybuilder out there, you could read one of his articles and it got you thinking. he was very smart, and yet he did let himself go .

he got hooked on amphetamines.   but as a writer/bodybuilder, he was great.  him and arnold will always be my top 2 favorites.   
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: BSN on March 28, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
Arnold vs Mike  ;)
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Post by: oldschoolfan on March 28, 2017, 11:17:14 AM
awesome pic of mike
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Post by: nukkaready on March 29, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Nether Animal on March 29, 2017, 05:24:50 PM
Bottom line Mentzer overdieted to the point that he lost a lot of his trademark thickness. His chest was flat as a pancake.
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on March 29, 2017, 08:18:56 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: ARNIE1947 on March 29, 2017, 08:27:50 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on March 29, 2017, 09:12:24 PM
Bottom line Mentzer overdieted to the point that he lost a lot of his trademark thickness. His chest was flat as a pancake.
^^
That was Joe Weider's fault, he said he needed more shredded serratus and obliques...
This was the ONE thing he told me about when I got to meet him back when he was personal training in early 1990's.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: BSN on March 29, 2017, 10:37:41 PM
At least still talk even now about the contest. If Arnold would not have been there, now the discussions were about "how to beat Dickerson on Mentzer"? ;D
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Post by: hipolito mejia on April 04, 2017, 04:22:31 PM
At least still talk even now about the contest. If Arnold would not have been there, now the discussions were about "how to beat Dickerson on Mentzer"? ;D

Dickerson won in 82'. And no one even mentions it. Let alone make a thread about it.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 07, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: jollygiant on April 08, 2017, 03:48:09 AM
Bottom line Mentzer overdieted to the point that he lost a lot of his trademark thickness. His chest was flat as a pancake.
Rubbish. nothing to do with diet.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: ratherbebig on April 08, 2017, 04:11:51 AM
mentzer looks narrow
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on April 09, 2017, 11:06:51 AM
Rubbish. nothing to do with diet.
^^
Whatever is your "weakest" bodypart you will loose that if dieting hard/drying out right before a show...
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Post by: The Scott on April 09, 2017, 11:08:33 AM
^^
Whatever is your "weakest" bodypart you will loose that if dieting hard/drying out right before a show...

Dammit!  My whole body wimps up when I diet down! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 09, 2017, 03:24:03 PM
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 10, 2017, 06:48:53 PM
 :)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on April 11, 2017, 03:54:51 AM
Duchaine was one ugly mofo.

He also didn't know much about training. Other than screwing around with drugs, I have no idea what the heck he offered.
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Post by: theworm on April 11, 2017, 05:01:08 AM
:)

BBers had hair back then.   Maybe cause there was no tren and they weren't on grams of test year round for decades...
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Post by: njflex on April 11, 2017, 05:05:40 AM
BBers had hair back then.   Maybe cause there was no tren and they weren't on grams of test year round for decades...
yeah imagine that..
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 11, 2017, 06:29:15 AM
He also didn't know much about training. Other than screwing around with drugs, I have no idea what the heck he offered.

QFT.. Today, most bodybuilders post the before and after pics on social media showing progress and the result always is a bald guy




WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   TA NA KA
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: nukkaready on April 11, 2017, 06:33:27 AM
Not a very clear shot but you can see how much bigger Arnold's frame is.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on April 11, 2017, 06:43:26 AM
Look at that waist how dry it was .




WoooSHHHHHH    TA NA KA
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Post by: Pet shop boys on April 11, 2017, 07:11:44 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: nukkaready on April 11, 2017, 08:13:10 AM
How anyone can say Mentzer should have won is beyond comprehension. His front 'relaxed' pose is bad, really bad. It lacks an entire chest. In this line-up he looks dead last from the front.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 11, 2017, 05:30:32 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 11, 2017, 06:08:42 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 11, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 11, 2017, 07:19:33 PM
Even 185lb Zane has a thicker chest , never mind Arnold
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: nukkaready on April 12, 2017, 06:29:47 AM
Arnold dominating the line up from the front.
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Post by: hench on April 12, 2017, 07:20:23 AM
Big dude, all the way big dude
Arnold dominating the line up from the front.
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on April 12, 2017, 09:43:24 AM
 8)
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Post by: njflex on April 12, 2017, 09:45:19 AM
8)
TAKE HIS LEGS OUT ,ITS CLEARLY STILL THE BEST UPPERBODY THAT DAY...
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Post by: Nether Animal on April 12, 2017, 10:55:40 AM
Roger Walker looks pretty damn good in some of those shots too...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: NelsonMuntz on April 12, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
Any truth to what I heard about Mike Mentzer? I heard he was an addicted drug addict who became mentally ill from it.

Mentzer was a great bodybuilder by he was beaten bad by Kalman in the Universe. He looked smaller and less ripped in comparison. All anyone can say negative about Kalman is that his calves weren't as good as Mentzer. I would counter that everything else was better from back, chest, delts and arms. 

Mentzer also lost the Universe to Robby.  Again Robby looked in ripped condition and Mentzer didn't.  Some again will say Mentzer had calves and Robby didn't.

I liked Mentzer back in the day. He has been a huge influence on my training.  I used to buy anything he wrote in the magazines. I would rip the article out and put it in a binder. I wonder if anyone has the amount of Mentzer articles that I have? It's just that many HIT guys won't accept that he wasn't always the best in contests and volume guys beat him. 

I think the best thing that Mike did was he put out an alternative toi the training of the day that could work for those who did not respond as well to the then high volume. The smart people were the ones who took that advice and applied it to their bodies finding where it best fit them, ie look at the way Labrada and Yates praised Mike as a mentor/influence, however their training styles were adjusted to their own personal needs in a way where there was some similarities to Mike's system, but not the exact same way over time.

My only issue with him and his training system is that he did not even seem to train the last several years of his life. With his brief training system, he would have had more validity if he practiced what he preached, then again Arnold probably is guilty of the same although he has continued to work out in some fashion since he retired save that couple year period when he was governor I believe
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Post by: hench on April 12, 2017, 12:15:55 PM
That's a great relaxed back shot, never seen before
8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: illuminati on April 12, 2017, 02:40:12 PM
I liked mike & he had some worthwhile different ideas about training / rest & diet.

Though he never mentioned his own extensive drug taking.

Also he should of just accepted the loss in Australia -
Gone away - Trained Hard and applied his supposedly better training system & come back a year later
Bigger & Better.

Sadly he had a huge girly / liberal type meltdown of Epic Proportions.  ::)

Way to go Mike.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 12, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 02:03:36 AM
I took heaps of photos at the 80 Olympia. I sold the negatives and slides to Robert Nailon. I did make a few prints. Here is an edit of one.

This was the first call out at the judging. Notice Arnold wasn't in this group so figured he didn't place. Look at his face. His expression

tells the story. I will see if I can find a photo where he was in the lineup full of confidence again.



Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on April 13, 2017, 04:51:43 AM
I took heaps of photos at the 80 Olympia. I sold the negatives and slides to Robert Nailon. I did make a few prints. Here is an edit of one.

This was the first call out at the judging. Notice Arnold wasn't in this group so figured he didn't place. Look at his face. His expression

tells the story. I will see if I can find a photo where he was in the lineup full of confidence again.





Looking at this photo and the one above how the fuck did Danny Padilla not place higher? He looks to be the most muscular in the line up in those photos.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: hench on April 13, 2017, 05:25:52 AM
Coz he's tiny, literally disappears even next to boyer coe there
Looking at this photo and the one above how the fuck did Danny Padilla not place higher? He looks to be the most muscular in the line up in those photos.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 05:46:37 AM
Looking at this photo and the one above how the fuck did Danny Padilla not place higher? He looks to be the most muscular in the line up in those photos.

I don't recall Danny being called out to be compared. No doubt he had the best all round physique there. A pity they didn't judge short guys properly. He had

size, shape, proportions and was in good condition. He came back the following year with less body fat but the contest went to Franco. Lots of booing then.

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Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 08:07:03 AM
Abs 1980.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Thespritz0 on April 13, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
Abs 1980.
^^
Good to see you posting again, Vince!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: illuminati on April 13, 2017, 02:46:48 PM
Good to see your back posting Vince.

Where have you been.

No doubt we will cross swords again at some point.
 ;)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 05:09:44 PM
Good to see your back posting Vince.

Where have you been.

No doubt we will cross swords again at some point.
 ;)

Like GH15 says, no one leaves the boarding...they lurk. I had a couple of dorks harass me for a couple of years. Then so much crap has been posted about me

that it appears on a Google search. Not nice. However, wtf can I do about it now? Nothing. The price I pay to be a known person on Getbig. There are always some intelligent

people here that make the place tolerable.

No homo!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: illuminati on April 13, 2017, 05:32:00 PM
Like GH15 says, no one leaves the boarding...they lurk. I had a couple of dorks harass me for a couple of years. Then so much crap has been posted about me

that it appears on a Google search. Not nice. However, wtf can I do about it now? Nothing. The price I pay to be a known person on Getbig. There are always some intelligent

people here that make the place tolerable.

No homo!






What the Fcuk - I hope the idiots harassing you have either been barred or matured enough to stop.

Have you tried contacting google and asking for said items to be removed.
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Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 05:39:02 PM





What the Fcuk - I hope the idiots harassing you have either been barred or matured enough to stop.

Have you tried contacting google and asking for said items to be removed.


What can be done? Bugger all. Teutonic Knight was banned and we think the other dude from Nova Scotia died. Good riddance to those two.

Goodrum opened a site in my full name and when you clicked on the link it opened at NAMBLA home page. Now that was defamation. That asshole Goodrum

is a low life if there ever was one. He doesn't have assets so can't be sued.

People harvested photos from one of my sites and modified photos to embarrass me. They also posted photos of my family and girlfriends here which is

totally against the rules. Ron removed stuff if requested. Some nasty people are persistent but since they are anonymous there is little that anyone can do.
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Post by: Nether Animal on April 13, 2017, 05:51:44 PM
Some nasty people are persistent but since they are anonymous there is little that anyone can do.[/color]

Most of the nastiest, shittiest posters are anonymous gimmicks that pop up out of the aether with a full knowledge of the site's history and intricacies. They spend all day shitting on regulars for "spending all day" on Getbig, while the beautiful justice of irony, albeit subtle, suffocates any legitimacy they may have managed by slipping under the radar early on.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 06:34:43 PM
Most of the nastiest, shittiest posters are anonymous gimmicks that pop up out of the aether with a full knowledge of the site's history and intricacies. They spend all day shitting on regulars for "spending all day" on Getbig, while the beautiful justice of irony, albeit subtle, suffocates any legitimacy they may have managed by slipping under the radar early on.

Well said. There used to be a witty guy here called Goatboy. Now that dude knew how to embarrass his targets. He got banned for exposing that Bob Chick didn't know shit about the products he was endorsing.

I don't mind clever people like that. However, why does anyone post on a forum for years as an anonymous entity? Makes no sense to me. I guess some people think it is fun to poke fun at muscle men. You know,

they are getting even for the years and years of being no one and having little or no success in life.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: The Scott on April 13, 2017, 06:47:40 PM
Arnold won.

What amazes me is that no one, virtually no one outside of such as those here, posed the quextion, "Why the fook is Dickerson even there?"

"Whose ballsack did he do the Holloweenie Bob 4 Balls on to get 2nd?" or the ever popular..."WTF?!"

How that bag of laced together scrotums won a couple of years later escapes me even more.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 07:29:11 PM
Arnold won.

What amazes me is that no one, virtually no one outside of such as those here, posed the quextion, "Why the fook is Dickerson even there?"

"Whose ballsack did he do the Holloweenie Bob 4 Balls on to get 2nd?" or the ever popular..."WTF?!"

How that bag of laced together scrotums won a couple of years later escapes me even more.

Interesting observation. Well, I was surprised after the prejudging when several bodybuilders from my gym voted for Dickerson. The truth is

the guy had a beautiful presentation and his skin looked good as well under those lights. Chris carried an injury to his elbows and you can see

how inflamed they are. He had the best calves in the contest but his upper body wasn't that impressive. He didn't look big when standing besides

Arnold, especially the chest and arms.

If you read Randy Roach's book about the 80 and 81 Olympias you will find out what happened especially with the judging.

The promoter of the contest was Paul Graham. He has been running the IFBB in Australia since the seventies. He and Arnold lived together in

LA because Gironda introduced them thinking they both came from the same country! How about that? That was in October 1968. In early

February 1969 Paul was arrested by the FBI in Hawaii for sending stolen cars back to Australia. He spent a couple of years in a US prison. Arnold

in his autobiography admits driving cars to a dock in LA that were headed for Australia. Arnold didn't mention who this mate was. Yet Paul

came to Arnold's wedding and Arnold was best man at Paul's wedding. One wonders how an alien with a criminal record returned to the USA.

Was Arnold involved in the stolen car rebirthing racket? Only those living in that house know. A curious thing. A guy named Ken Moran showed

up at the Western Gym on Hastings Street in Vancouver early in 1969. He boasted about living with Arnold. We asked why he wasn't still in LA.

He explained he was in a car accident and damaged another car but didn't have insurance so had to flee the country. Ken was from New Zealand.

We wondered how Ken drove a near new red Shelby Cobra Mustang if he smashed his car. He took that Mustang back to NZ after a couple of years

and sold it for a lot of money. Was Ken involved. Makes you wonder how he afforded that car.

So Arnold owes Paul big time and always sees Paul when visiting Australia.

Paul was allowed to pick an Australian judge so picked a young bodybuilder named Brendan Ryan. I knew him because he trained at Coogee and won a

Junior Mr Australia but no open titles that I know about. He stayed with Arnold when he visited California. Guess who he voted for in the Olympia?

On the day of the judging I was standing with Peter McCarthy and Frank Burwash. Someone came up to Pete and told him the meeting for the judges

was on. Peter was livid because he wasn't told the right time and as a result he couldn't judge the contest except as a spare judge. Peter voted for

Chris above Arnold and his vote would have resulted in Arnold not winning. Well, we don't know that because Chris could have been ahead after the

judging but lose the posedown. How the IFBB likes to be able to correct unwanted decisions.

In retrospect would Arnold still be in America if he was involved in theft of cars? I doubt it. In those days nobody knew how smart Arnold was. Would

that smart guy be unaware of what Paul was doing? I hardly think so. Arnold is street smart. Am I saying that he was involved? Not at all because

I don't know just as I don't know if Ken Moran was involved. I did have a newspaper clipping of a cartoon in an Honolulu newspaper showing a muscleman

with a car overhead. It was a story about Paul Graham being arrested by the FBI. I sent that clipping to Robert Nailon but he says he can't find it!

Photo I took of Arnold. Shows why he won the contest.
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Post by: oldtimer1 on April 13, 2017, 08:03:25 PM
I think the best thing that Mike did was he put out an alternative toi the training of the day that could work for those who did not respond as well to the then high volume. The smart people were the ones who took that advice and applied it to their bodies finding where it best fit them, ie look at the way Labrada and Yates praised Mike as a mentor/influence, however their training styles were adjusted to their own personal needs in a way where there was some similarities to Mike's system, but not the exact same way over time.

My only issue with him and his training system is that he did not even seem to train the last several years of his life. With his brief training system, he would have had more validity if he practiced what he preached, then again Arnold probably is guilty of the same although he has continued to work out in some fashion since he retired save that couple year period when he was governor I believe

To this day I think Mentzer influenced my training more than any other bodybuilder. I was on from the beginning. I saved every single article he wrote and every article someone else wrote about him. I might have the most complete Mike Mentzer info out there. I'm sure when I die it will be thrown in the trash.  I would say when I was 24 it was my best condition ever in my life time. I patterned my training after Mentzer who patterned his  training after Mr. Florida Frank Calta. The training he recommended after he retired rang untrue as he never trained like that for a contest.  Mentzer's down fall was his drug addiction. It led to mental illness and the rest is a tragedy. In his prime he was making 200k a year which is probably the equivalent now of a million plus a year. He blew it all on nonsense. He paid a fortune on video recording equipment that was outdated that he probably didn't even know how to use to it's full potential. He also blew his money on a magazine that was distributed no where. Wonder if his judgement was clouded under drug addiction? Regardless, outside of Arnold who are  bodybuilding fans talking about? It's Mike Mentzer. He left a legacy of thinking outside the box that will influence trainers for decades.    
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Post by: The Scott on April 13, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
Well given that it is a prove fact that Dickerson made homosexual porn, one could easily suppose that he blew his way to the top.  Or bottom.  It is one thing to be a homosexual and another to be a slut for hire.

Disgusting manHo.  He had no business being on that stage.  Mentzer or Zane should have been in 2nd and 3rd, but Dickerson?  He looks like a schome version of "Curious George" with those ears and his deformed banana elbows. 

He sold himself on film.  Disgusting.
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Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 09:18:59 PM
To this day I think Mentzer influenced my training more than any other bodybuilder. I was on from the beginning. I saved every single article he wrote and every article someone else wrote about him. I might have the most complete Mike Mentzer info out there. I'm sure when I die it will be thrown in the trash.  I would say when I was 24 it was my best condition ever in my life time. I patterned my training after Mentzer who patterned his  training after Mr. Florida Frank Calta. The training he recommended after he retired rang untrue as he never trained like that for a contest.  Mentzer's down fall was his drug addiction. It led to mental illness and the rest is a tragedy. In his prime he was making 200k a year which is probably the equivalent now of a million plus a year. He blew it all on nonsense. He paid a fortune on video recording equipment that was outdated that he probably didn't even know how to use to it's full potential. He also blew his money on a magazine that was distributed no where. Wonder if his judgement was clouded under drug addiction? Regardless, outside of Arnold who are  bodybuilding fans talking about? It's Mike Mentzer. He left a legacy of thinking outside the box that will influence trainers for decades.    

Both Mike and Arthur Jones left a mark in bodybuilding. Especially in the theory department. Jones tried to figure out hypertrophy through logic and common sense. He derided the exercise scientists and claimed they

knew nothing.

Arthur built Nautilus equipment and that line made him a fortune. He became his own marketer and wrote long infomercials that we always read. He coined new ideas and invented many machines. Unfortunately his theory about

hypertrophy is mistaken. Intensity alone will not generate much in the way of maximum muscle size. Muscles don't contract like box cars on a train but slide across filaments. If you get the physiology and anatomy wrong your theory is

unlikely to be true. We were all impressed with HIT. Most of the big guys tried it. However, few embraced it and the vast majority of bodybuilders do volume training. If you combine a level of intensity above a certain threshold with

sufficient volume you will grow...well, providing you have sufficient nutrition and I don't mean protein. Calories in abundance is required. We don't need that much extra protein over other athletes.

Mike found a way to challenge people with new ideas so people would buy his courses and editors would buy his articles. Mike altered HIT and called it Heavy Duty. Did his brother, Ray, train like that? Well sort of. Ray lived at our

place in Sydney for over a year back in the late 80's. He would train a muscle twice a week. Once directly and once indirectly. Not many sets but lots of intensity. If a system is effective but leads to injuries it can't be the right method

for hypertrophy because those injuries will prevent you from getting really big. HIT programs work for a while but once you get super strong you are going to tear muscles and connective tissue and goodbye career.

Dorian and Ronnie both trained heavy and both destroyed their bodies. Hypertrophy doesn't require super heavy weights and the highest intensity. Mentzer knew this because he read Hans Selye's book on Stress. Sufficient intensity

coupled with adequate volume is the formula. Neither without the other will generate maximum hypertrophy.

What confuses most trainees is that they try so many things that they literally don't know what is causing the growth. That is because most hypertrophy happens so slowly it isn't detectable. If you know how to make muscles grow

they respond instantly and you can measure the difference each week.
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Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 09:25:52 PM
Well given that it is a prove fact that Dickerson made homosexual porn, one could easily suppose that he blew his way to the top.  Or bottom.  It is one thing to be a homosexual and another to be a slut for hire.

Disgusting manHo.  He had no business being on that stage.  Mentzer or Zane should have been in 2nd and 3rd, but Dickerson?  He looks like a schome version of "Curious George" with those ears and his deformed banana elbows. 

He sold himself on film.  Disgusting.

We have a moderator here who is gay so I don't endorse putting someone down because of his sexual preferences. Suggesting that the judges are all gay is pure speculation.

If you go back to pro contests in the year before the 80 Olympia you will discover that Dickerson won the majority of them. I can tell you he delighted the audience in Sydney when

he posed. He did an exceptional presentation and carried himself with class and dignity throughout the event. Many bodybuilders in Australia favoured Chris. An organization we

started after that contest decided to send a huge trophy to Chris as the real Mr Olympia 1980. John Doyle took the trophy over and presented it to Chris. According to Randy Roach

Chris is proud to have received that trophy.
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Post by: The Scott on April 13, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
We have a moderator here who is gay so I don't endorse putting someone down because of his sexual preferences. Suggesting that the judges are all gay is pure speculation.

If you go back to pro contests in the year before the 80 Olympia you will discover that Dickerson won the majority of them. I can tell you he delighted the audience in Sydney when

he posed. He did an exceptional presentation and carried himself with class and dignity throughout the event. Many bodybuilders in Australia favoured Chris. An organization we

started after that contest decided to send a huge trophy to Chris as the real Mr Olympia 1980. John Doyle took the trophy over and presented it to Chris. According to Randy Roach

Chris is proud to have received that trophy.


Since you must have somehow missed it...It is one thing to be homosexual and another to be a slut for hire.  Dickerson was a slut for hire and sans that, still did not deserve to win unless they changed the title to Mr. SchmOelympia. 

Or Mr. HOelympia.

Get it?  Got it?  Good!

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Post by: Vince B on April 13, 2017, 10:04:45 PM
Since you must have somehow missed it...It is one thing to be homosexual and another to be a slut for hire.  Dickerson was a slut for hire and sans that, still did not deserve to win unless they changed the title to Mr. SchmOelympia. 

Or Mr. HOelympia.

Get it?  Got it?  Good!



I could care less what homosexuals do. Got that? People, fruit, makes no difference to me.

The Scott is the one with issues here. Why does gay for pay bother him so much?

No homo.
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Post by: The Scott on April 14, 2017, 04:10:01 AM
I could care less what homosexuals do. Got that? People, fruit, makes no difference to me.

The Scott is the one with issues here. Why does gay for pay bother him so much?

No homo.


Because selling oneself is repulsive and the mark of a lazy person. Bodybuilding is turgid with laziness and schmoes and their hoes are disgusting.  You read as though you approve of such behavior and if so, it can only be due to personal preferences that individuals lacking a moral compass eagerly broadcast to the world these days.  FTN. 

Perhaps you should return to the depths from which you recently oozed.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 14, 2017, 04:11:10 AM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 14, 2017, 01:52:27 PM


Photo I took of Arnold. Shows why he won the contest.
Arnold Vs. Mike in the twisted BDB.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 14, 2017, 01:57:47 PM
Dickerson looked small next to Arnold and his chest and arms sucked,should've been very happy with the 2nd place.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 14, 2017, 02:00:01 PM
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Post by: pellius on April 14, 2017, 02:02:49 PM
Well given that it is a prove fact that Dickerson made homosexual porn, one could easily suppose that he blew his way to the top.  Or bottom.  It is one thing to be a homosexual and another to be a slut for hire.

Disgusting manHo.  He had no business being on that stage.  Mentzer or Zane should have been in 2nd and 3rd, but Dickerson?  He looks like a schome version of "Curious George" with those ears and his deformed banana elbows. 

He sold himself on film.  Disgusting.

I am no fan of Dickerson and never should have won the O but how do you know that he had sex with the judges for higher placings? Doesn't this implicate the judges more the Chris?
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 14, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
Arnold dominating the line up from the front.
And not only from the front
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 14, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 14, 2017, 02:31:36 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 14, 2017, 02:41:56 PM
FLS
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Post by: Pet shop boys on April 17, 2017, 07:46:56 AM
1980- the lean,dry champ




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  TA NA KA
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Post by: njflex on April 18, 2017, 05:32:45 AM
1980- the lean,dry champ




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  TA NA KA
great relaxed pic imagine walking the beach like that..
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Post by: Never1AShow on April 18, 2017, 05:59:45 AM
One thing I never realized until recently was that he was just head and shoulders above the rest in 1980 from an absolute size perspective.  He was a true heavyweight amongst light heavies.  That counts in the real world but can be manipulated on the Internet by those with agendas.
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Post by: Dokey111 on April 18, 2017, 07:48:48 AM
Arnold's abs are not that much better than Boyer's  :o
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Post by: BSN on April 18, 2017, 10:03:05 AM
...
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Post by: hench on April 18, 2017, 10:19:29 AM
Genetically only two rows but much deeper etched than buyers and great serrated and intercostals.
Arnold's abs are not that much better than Boyer's  :o
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Post by: Disgusted on April 18, 2017, 02:35:38 PM
Well might as well throw in my worthless 2 cents. OK soooooo Arnie IMO deserved the win. Mentzer was off. His chest was flat his abs kind of had a washed over look to them when he was standing relaxed. Mike's whole upper body seemed to be down in size. Too much damn cardio and probably starved himself on top of it.

Arnold was prob at his best as far as conditioning and he knew he had to be not only because he was down in size but also because guys were coming in better shape too as the years passed. He never left anything to chance. He had some of the best leg separation in the show. Too bad he didn't come in a bit bigger but on this day he was still IMO the best man that day.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on April 18, 2017, 08:34:01 PM
WoooShhhhhhhh
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Post by: BSN on April 18, 2017, 11:12:19 PM
Well, the problem was and the back of Mike, who not excel in details. And everybody knows how much matter in a professional bodybuilding an back with full details and large. Also he did not look great in lat spread also, even near Zane. But in about two positions ( from front), with arms raised, Mike looks really great. Maybe better than anyone.
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Post by: Vince B on April 19, 2017, 12:20:55 AM
...

You can clearly see that Dennis had the best abs in the contest. A pity his posing let him down.

Definitely wider than Heath!
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Post by: hench on April 19, 2017, 02:14:47 AM
Yea Dennis looked great in the relaxed shot, he beats all in this shot, when he opened up his physique he lost it. 
You can clearly see that Dennis had the best abs in the contest. A pity his posing let him down.

Definitely wider than Heath!
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on April 19, 2017, 09:54:53 AM
 8)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 19, 2017, 03:09:01 PM
 :)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on April 19, 2017, 08:11:21 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=528600;image)


WooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: Pet shop boys on April 19, 2017, 08:20:52 PM
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: Pet shop boys on April 19, 2017, 08:21:27 PM
 ;D
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Post by: hench on April 20, 2017, 04:52:42 AM
(http://schwarzenegger.freeforums.net/attachment/download/129)
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Post by: BSN on April 21, 2017, 12:06:42 AM
Arnold, backstage
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2017, 04:32:19 PM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on April 26, 2017, 11:42:20 PM
Chris and Frank. second and 3rd
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on April 27, 2017, 08:22:11 PM
 8)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 01, 2017, 12:53:32 PM
WooSHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 09, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528496.0;attach=725262;image)


Beach 1980, better days With Maria




WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 09, 2017, 07:58:12 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 09, 2017, 08:08:21 AM
The King
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Post by: BSN on May 09, 2017, 08:31:47 AM
Chris at the 1980 MO
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Post by: BSN on May 09, 2017, 08:34:07 AM
I-I
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Post by: BSN on May 10, 2017, 01:39:49 AM
Opera House scene. Great view
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 10, 2017, 09:47:50 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 11, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 11, 2017, 04:55:50 PM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on May 11, 2017, 10:11:45 PM
Nope, thats from 1974 not 1980. The last photo
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Post by: BSN on May 11, 2017, 10:19:51 PM
''
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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 12, 2017, 07:49:08 AM
The King


Not 1980 .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 15, 2017, 04:01:17 PM
 :)
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Post by: JAGO on May 15, 2017, 06:49:38 PM
1973 Brooklyn Academy of Music in Brooklyn, New York.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 16, 2017, 04:21:07 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 16, 2017, 04:39:53 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 16, 2017, 04:41:04 AM
 :)
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Post by: hipolito mejia on May 16, 2017, 04:41:29 AM
What's the matter?  Ran out of 1980 pictures??
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 16, 2017, 11:11:20 PM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 16, 2017, 11:19:45 PM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 16, 2017, 11:21:07 PM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 16, 2017, 11:23:19 PM
 8)
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Post by: AbrahamG on May 17, 2017, 09:29:40 PM
Would love to know the kind of numbers involved in terms of how much pussy he actually destroyed.  I think we are
probably looking at Wilt Chamberlain type digits.  Most impressive about Arnold to me is his range of pussy.  Fat bitches,
ugly bitches, Mexicans, you name it.  #OAK #GOAT
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 21, 2017, 05:33:11 AM
 :)
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Post by: Thespritz0 on May 21, 2017, 08:17:53 AM
Would love to know the kind of numbers involved in terms of how much pussy he actually destroyed.  I think we are
probably looking at Wilt Chamberlain type digits.  Most impressive about Arnold to me is his range of pussy.  Fat bitches,
ugly bitches, Mexicans, you name it.  #OAK #GOAT
^^
One wonders if there were ever any "SPECTACULARLY" sticky/dirty ones, even celebrities?????
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Post by: Nether Animal on May 21, 2017, 09:06:41 AM



Roger walker looked awesome that year
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 22, 2017, 02:48:35 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 22, 2017, 02:49:45 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 22, 2017, 02:56:48 AM
 8)
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Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on May 22, 2017, 03:47:04 AM
^^
One wonders if there were ever any "SPECTACULARLY" sticky/dirty ones, even celebrities?????

Pretty sure he rejected that Doctor Quinn Medicine woman Jane Seymour because she was very spiteful when the world found out about the Maid's child
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 01, 2017, 05:42:23 PM
 :)
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Post by: hipolito mejia on June 02, 2017, 03:44:15 AM
In his most recent auto biography TOTAL RECALL, Arnold only dedicates one page to the 1980 mr.O.

In GetBig it's the only contest with a 30 plus page thread. 
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 02, 2017, 06:46:14 AM
Beach body ??



1980 mode !


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 05, 2017, 06:23:14 PM
 :)
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Post by: funk51 on June 07, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
mr u nabba 60's and 70's
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 07, 2017, 02:43:59 PM
 :)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 07, 2017, 06:54:00 PM
 ;D
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 08, 2017, 04:25:35 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 08, 2017, 05:14:40 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 09, 2017, 06:18:35 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 09, 2017, 06:26:46 PM
 :)
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Post by: njflex on June 10, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
:)
imagine him this lean 10lbs more bw ^^^^^
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 17, 2017, 08:29:01 AM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 17, 2017, 11:55:25 AM
 :)
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Post by: kepler2008 on June 17, 2017, 01:29:59 PM
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Post by: a_pupil on June 17, 2017, 02:59:57 PM
how did that whole era (except for boyer coe and maybe sergio) avoid hairloss ??? ??? ???

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Post by: ProudVirgin69 on June 17, 2017, 03:06:58 PM
how did that whole era (except for boyer coe and maybe sergio) avoid hairloss ??? ??? ???



I know, it's baffling.  No hairloss, no gyno, no acne ... enviable!
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 17, 2017, 03:15:14 PM
 :)
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Post by: The Scott on June 17, 2017, 08:17:33 PM
how did that whole era (except for boyer coe and maybe sergio) avoid hairloss ??? ??? ???



I would say it was due to the fact that they got off the stuff every once in awhile.  No need to be on year 'round and the guys I talked with back then said they didn't want to overdo it because no one knew what would happen.  That and they didn't have access to bathtub gin drugs made by high scrool chem students like the piss ant morons of today.  The term "pharma grade" made no sense because everything really did come from a pharmacy.

Other than that, only they know what they took.  Many are still alive.  Maybe the key is moderation instead of stupidity?

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Post by: bigbychoices on June 18, 2017, 05:05:06 AM
very true. they had top quality stuff. they used very little ( compared to nowdays) they took breaks.  most would use only for a show. they would "grow" into a show . they used dball primo deca and some test. they didnt stack 4,5,6 or more at a time. they used a fair amount but not like today. most were afraid to really push it. this was late 60s and 70s and even early 80s thru mid 80s. gh was from dead people. inslulin very very few used it( if any at that time). tim belknap was a true diabetic and needed it. mentzer never admitted to using it but i think he did. he did an interview with belknap about his insulin use and shortly thereafter he got a gut. he was really the first guy with a gut even in shape. again im not sure he never admitted it no me or i really didnt care to ask him cuz not many knew anything about insulin use. they also didnt really do any pct either. again they just went off most shrunk down some got fat. in fact it wasnt really until they really upped the dose stayed on year round had alot of new and  different compounds and then a few gurus came along ( duchaine used to pimp out bill phillips to a doc to get nolvadex lol ) that pct became used. and then the hair loss became rampant.
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Post by: njflex on June 18, 2017, 06:16:47 AM
very true. they had top quality stuff. they used very little ( compared to nowdays) they took breaks.  most would use only for a show. they would "grow" into a show . they used dball primo deca and some test. they didnt stack 4,5,6 or more at a time. they used a fair amount but not like today. most were afraid to really push it. this was late 60s and 70s and even early 80s thru mid 80s. gh was from dead people. inslulin very very few used it( if any at that time). tim belknap was a true diabetic and needed it. mentzer never admitted to using it but i think he did. he did an interview with belknap about his insulin use and shortly thereafter he got a gut. he was really the first guy with a gut even in shape. again im not sure he never admitted it no me or i really didnt care to ask him cuz not many knew anything about insulin use. they also didnt really do any pct either. again they just went off most shrunk down some got fat. in fact it wasnt really until they really upped the dose stayed on year round had alot of new and  different compounds and then a few gurus came along ( duchaine used to pimp out bill phillips to a doc to get nolvadex lol ) that pct became used. and then the hair loss became rampant.
and pre internet and magazine era you never saw off seaso pics like nowadays,,i think wbf magzine was the 1st time you saw non contest pics and the new conference pics they had tank tops and the guys were white/smooth offseason bloat look,,,weider mags showed sometimes his weight gainer ads with 90's guys like newman,mattarrazo  i was this to this on weider 4000 otherwise it was top in shape pics,,,
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Post by: Griffith on June 19, 2017, 06:23:14 AM
I know, it's baffling.  No hairloss, no gyno, no acne ... enviable!

Is there an explanation for this...?
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 19, 2017, 09:01:07 PM
WooShhhhhhhhh
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Post by: obsidian on June 19, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
And not only from the front
They all (Mentzer, Zane, Dickerson etc.) look like midgets standing next to Arnold. He totally deserved winning the 80 Mr. O.
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Post by: SOMEPARTS on June 20, 2017, 12:59:48 AM
very true. they had top quality stuff. they used very little ( compared to nowdays) they took breaks.  most would use only for a show. they would "grow" into a show . they used dball primo deca and some test. they didnt stack 4,5,6 or more at a time. they used a fair amount but not like today. most were afraid to really push it. this was late 60s and 70s and even early 80s thru mid 80s. gh was from dead people. inslulin very very few used it( if any at that time). tim belknap was a true diabetic and needed it. mentzer never admitted to using it but i think he did. he did an interview with belknap about his insulin use and shortly thereafter he got a gut. he was really the first guy with a gut even in shape. again im not sure he never admitted it no me or i really didnt care to ask him cuz not many knew anything about insulin use. they also didnt really do any pct either. again they just went off most shrunk down some got fat. in fact it wasnt really until they really upped the dose stayed on year round had alot of new and  different compounds and then a few gurus came along ( duchaine used to pimp out bill phillips to a doc to get nolvadex lol ) that pct became used. and then the hair loss became rampant.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 20, 2017, 11:41:01 AM
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 20, 2017, 11:47:10 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger 1980 only - the lean,dry champ"
Post by: bigbychoices on June 20, 2017, 01:06:49 PM
i remember when arnold won the 80 olympia. i was so excited to see him come back after 5 years. i was expecting him to look like ARNOLD. but instead i was dissapointed in his look. he looked like everyone else. but then after i understood what i was seeing (it took time)  and i realized he was better than everyone else that day. yes it was close. i wasnt used to anyone being close ( other than sergio) to arnold. he came in light and lean. he wasnt his usual massive balanced self. so when people say he shouldnt of won they are comparing the 80 arnold to previous versions of arnold. its true he doesnt look like arnold but he was good enough to beat all them other guys.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 20, 2017, 05:06:11 PM
WooSSHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: The Scott on June 20, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
Dickerson sucked. 

Which is probably why he placed higher than Zane or Mentzer.    He is the worst Olympia winner ever.  even worse that Franco in 81.    Just disgusting. Looks like Curious George with pointy elbows.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 20, 2017, 11:49:58 PM
Dickerson sucked. 

Which is probably why he placed higher than Zane or Mentzer.    He is the worst Olympia winner ever.  even worse that Franco in 81.    Just disgusting. Looks like Curious George with pointy elbows.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 20, 2017, 11:52:51 PM
 :)
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Post by: hipolito mejia on June 21, 2017, 04:32:54 AM
Dickerson sucked. 

Which is probably why he placed higher than Zane or Mentzer.    He is the worst Olympia winner ever.  even worse that Franco in 81.    Just disgusting. Looks like Curious George with pointy elbows.

He was the best bodybuilder from the back in all poses in 1980. Flexing and relaxed. 
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Post by: Nether Animal on June 21, 2017, 07:12:14 AM
Dickerson was ahead of most condition wise too.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 21, 2017, 09:28:26 AM
He was the best bodybuilder from the back in all poses in 1980. Flexing and relaxed. 
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Relaxed-yes,flexed-Arnold's back looked better.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 21, 2017, 09:30:17 AM
Dickerson was ahead of most condition wise too.
Yes,but his arms and chest sucked big time.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 21, 2017, 09:54:33 AM

Zane looked tiny in 1980
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 21, 2017, 10:01:51 AM
Still looked great in some shots
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Post by: hench on June 21, 2017, 12:12:00 PM
Zane looks better than mentzer in the fls and ab/though shots there
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Post by: Nether Animal on June 21, 2017, 01:37:40 PM
Mentzer was definitely way off there... just came in too light. You can see it in his face how lean he was but he gave up too much size
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 21, 2017, 04:27:57 PM
Zane looks better than mentzer in the fls and ab/though shots there
He does
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 25, 2017, 05:54:00 AM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on June 26, 2017, 06:58:31 AM
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 27, 2017, 06:21:56 PM
'Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach!'

Arnold was telling the truth . Mentzer folded
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Post by: Conker on June 28, 2017, 02:11:41 AM
go clean up that bedist of yours and take a break from ogling pics of other men you dirty fkin fagget.
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Post by: pellius on June 29, 2017, 01:22:24 AM
go clean up that bedist of yours and take a break from ogling pics of other men you dirty fkin fagget.

I've had my issues with ND but, come on man, leave this thread alone. There's more than enough of bull shit threads but only a precious few that represent what this board was suppose to be.
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Post by: Conker on June 29, 2017, 01:28:09 AM
I've had my issues with ND but, come on man, leave this thread alone. There's more than enough of bull shit threads but only a precious few that represent what this board was suppose to be.

yeh fair enough. i didn't actually notice what the thread was. only posted here because the thread where ND was marveling in the fact that he is filthy stalker kunt had been taken down. won't post again in this thread.
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Post by: pellius on June 29, 2017, 01:33:02 AM
yeh fair enough. i didn't actually notice what the thread was. only posted here because the thread where ND was marveling in the fact that he is filthy stalker kunt had been taken down. won't post again in this thread.

 ;D
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 29, 2017, 04:22:09 PM
'Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach!'

Arnold was telling the truth . Mentzer folded
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Post by: Tarantula157 on June 29, 2017, 04:26:02 PM
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 01, 2017, 04:16:37 AM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 01, 2017, 12:31:44 PM
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Post by: bigbychoices on July 01, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
why was arnold on stage with a bunch of swimmers?  lmao!!!! he dwarfs them all and he wasnt at his best!!!
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Post by: hench on July 01, 2017, 05:18:32 PM
Yep, even walker the second biggest guy was dwarfed.

why was arnold on stage with a bunch of swimmers?  lmao!!!! he dwarfs them all and he wasnt at his best!!!
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 03, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 03, 2017, 01:07:41 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 03, 2017, 01:53:00 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 03, 2017, 03:27:21 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 03, 2017, 03:34:46 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 03, 2017, 03:41:43 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 04, 2017, 08:12:44 AM
 :)
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Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 05, 2017, 05:22:55 AM
:)

Shallow back and incredibly poor hamstrings by Olympia standards.
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Post by: hench on July 05, 2017, 01:07:41 PM
Not a bdb shot though,  taken from behind but actually a fdb for the audience so back isn't flexed properly.
Shallow back and incredibly poor hamstrings by Olympia standards.
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Post by: Vince B on July 08, 2017, 04:26:11 AM
I found another photo I took from the 1980 Mr Olympia. Marks are from plastic covering.

Mike wins this lat spread comparison.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 08, 2017, 04:38:34 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 08, 2017, 04:40:10 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 08, 2017, 04:41:19 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 08, 2017, 04:57:23 AM
 :)
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Post by: hench on July 08, 2017, 05:09:20 AM
Have walker and arnold been edited out in those last 2 group shots?
Funny how arnold is as wide as Mike stood in the background
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Post by: Nether Animal on July 08, 2017, 06:20:58 AM
Have walker and arnold been edited out in those last 2 group shots?
Funny how arnold is as wide as Mike stood in the background

What do you mean? They are both in each pic
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Post by: Vince B on July 08, 2017, 07:17:09 AM
I cropped Mike out of a photo and removed the background. On his own he looks great.
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Post by: Nether Animal on July 08, 2017, 07:26:53 AM
Still way off from his earlier form.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 08, 2017, 09:29:55 AM
Still way off from his earlier form.

He wasn't competing with his earlier form.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 08, 2017, 03:22:41 PM
I found another photo I took from the 1980 Mr Olympia. Marks are from plastic covering.

Mike wins this lat spread comparison.
Same pose,another shot-Arnold dwarfs everyone including Mike.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 08, 2017, 03:32:22 PM
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 08, 2017, 03:39:38 PM
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Post by: Nether Animal on July 09, 2017, 07:30:55 AM
He wasn't competing with his earlier form.

What do you mean?
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Post by: hench on July 09, 2017, 10:21:55 AM
Meaning people compare him too much to previous showings when he wasn't competing with that but other bodybuilders who he still smoked.

What do you mean?
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 09, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 10, 2017, 12:58:07 PM
 :)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on July 10, 2017, 01:00:48 PM
WooSHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 11, 2017, 03:38:31 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 13, 2017, 03:19:18 PM
This is a great comparison, as is the one by Vince of the back lat spread. Mentzer looked great next to Arnold in the back lat spread. Better hamstrings, calves equal, Mentzer's arms looked better, back about equal.
Agree that Mentzer's hamstrings and arms look better in that pose but Arnold's calves and shoulders look better. Back looks about equal in this picture ,although in other similar shots Arnold's back looks clearly superior.
And Mentzer's glutes a way too big and soft (no homo  ;D )
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Post by: Eric2 on July 13, 2017, 06:13:16 PM
Arnold from the front and side beats most everybody. Arnold from the back...................n ot so much.
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Post by: illuminati on July 14, 2017, 09:30:23 AM
1980 - Was it the best version of Arnold that Day - No

Was he the Best on that Stage that day - Yes - Close call
Others were good.

Just as well Arnold was not at his Best - Some competitors
May of ended up committing Suicide - As he would of
Completely overshadowed them.

They couldn't handle the loss as it was.

They should of gone away & come back better as
Arnold did after his loss to Zane & Sergio.

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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 14, 2017, 03:46:24 PM
 :)
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Post by: Natural_O on July 15, 2017, 06:25:23 AM
The 1980 Mr. Olympia is definitely the most debated contest ever. I just saw a video by Norm Komich recently and I can understand why it was so controversial. Norm was at the show and he filmed it from the balcony using his video camera. Arnold's legs were really down in size and there were a lot of guys who were in top shape. Zane, Mentzer, Coe, Walker, Callendar and Dickerson were all peaked and ripped. The fact that Arnold didn't let anyone know he was competing and he also had friends on the judging panel (Reg Park, Albert Busek, Mits) created a lot of resentment from all the top competitors. Looking at it from Norm's video (and not pictures, which don't always tell the story), you can see the big weakness in Arnold's legs. Although he still looked great for the limited amount of time training for the show, a lot of the audience and all the other competitors didn't feel like he deserved the victory because he had a glaring weak point (just like Franco did one year later). Like Zane said after the contest, when you have had a layoff that long and you only train for a couple months, the strong bodyparts (Arnold's arms, chest, back) are going to come back quick but his weaker muscle groups (legs, delts) are going to lag behind.
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Post by: BSN on July 15, 2017, 10:26:24 AM
And Sergio, in great shape, was not there.. Sergio looks great in 1980 in both contests when he defeated Kalman and Bertil..
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Post by: hipolito mejia on July 15, 2017, 10:37:25 AM
And Sergio, in great shape, was not there.. Sergio looks great in 1980 in both contests when he defeated Kalman and Bertil..

Sergio would have crushed Arnold in 1980.

Interesting to have beaten Arnold on his Olympua debut and final one  on your resume.

Would've been so easy for Oliva. 
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Post by: illuminati on July 15, 2017, 01:02:15 PM
Sergio would have crushed Arnold in 1980.

Interesting to have beaten Arnold on his Olympua debut and final one  on your resume.

Would've been so easy for Oliva. 




Just from them pics I'd say Sergio would of won
That being said had Sergio of been competing that year
Arnold would've either prepared better & for longer
Or just not of competed.
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Post by: Simple Simon on July 15, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
To be fair i dont even think a prime Ronnie would have beat Arnold at that show, same way he wouldn't have beaten Franco in 81, they were scripted.
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Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 16, 2017, 04:03:41 PM
To be fair i dont even think a prime Ronnie would have beat Arnold at that show, same way he wouldn't have beaten Franco in 81, they were scripted.

This.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 16, 2017, 04:27:44 PM
Sergio would have crushed Arnold in 1980.

Interesting to have beaten Arnold on his Olympua debut and final one  on your resume.

Would've been so easy for Oliva. 
If Arnold lost the 1980 Olympia this would not have been his last contest,that's for sure. He would have come back in 1981 at his best.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 16, 2017, 04:37:46 PM
The 1980 Mr. Olympia is definitely the most debated contest ever. I just saw a video by Norm Komich recently and I can understand why it was so controversial. Norm was at the show and he filmed it from the balcony using his video camera. Arnold's legs were really down in size and there were a lot of guys who were in top shape. Zane, Mentzer, Coe, Walker, Callendar and Dickerson were all peaked and ripped. The fact that Arnold didn't let anyone know he was competing and he also had friends on the judging panel (Reg Park, Albert Busek, Mits) created a lot of resentment from all the top competitors. Looking at it from Norm's video (and not pictures, which don't always tell the story), you can see the big weakness in Arnold's legs. Although he still looked great for the limited amount of time training for the show, a lot of the audience and all the other competitors didn't feel like he deserved the victory because he had a glaring weak point (just like Franco did one year later). Like Zane said after the contest, when you have had a layoff that long and you only train for a couple months, the strong bodyparts (Arnold's arms, chest, back) are going to come back quick but his weaker muscle groups (legs, delts) are going to lag behind.
I've seen this video as well. Being shot from the balcony it gives a distorted perspective of how the physiques looked(heads closer to the camera,legs further away etc.).And this affects Arnold the most as he was the tallest competitor. The other videos and pictures taken from behind the judges table give much better perspective.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 16, 2017, 04:43:26 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 16, 2017, 04:52:25 PM
I believe these screencaps are from Norm Komich's video.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 17, 2017, 02:57:04 PM
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Post by: Natural_O on July 17, 2017, 04:02:23 PM
I've seen this video as well. Being shot from the balcony it gives a distorted perspective of how the physiques looked(heads closer to the camera,legs further away etc.).And this affects Arnold the most as he was the tallest competitor. The other videos and pictures taken from behind the judges table give much better perspective.

Yeah, that's a good point.
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Post by: hench on July 18, 2017, 06:02:00 AM
Yea  and if you look all of their legs look unusually longer and slimmer.
Yeah, that's a good point.
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Post by: BSN on July 18, 2017, 09:33:06 AM
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Post by: hench on July 18, 2017, 09:39:54 AM
It's strange at the 80, in many shots arnolds thighs from the side looked great with better hams and separation than before, his traps were really huge and wide and delts looked more rounded. When he was introduced and walked on stage in the comeback/ total rebuild he looks awesome
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 20, 2017, 02:40:49 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 20, 2017, 06:05:33 PM
 :)
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Post by: The Scott on July 20, 2017, 08:12:44 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=736622;image)
 :)

There is no fooking way that man-hoe butt-slut Dicksuckerson should have been allowed on stage, much less come in second place.  What a waste of drugs,  macaroni-elbowed butt-munching munchkin he was.

Mentzer or Zane deserved 2nd. 
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 23, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
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Post by: hench on July 23, 2017, 10:32:23 AM
Arnold's arms are as big as dickersons legs side on.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 23, 2017, 10:37:40 AM
Arnold's arms are as big as dickersons legs side on.
He dwarfs Dickerson and Zane big time.
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Post by: hench on July 23, 2017, 11:45:02 AM
Yea and look at them side on, barely any chest visible, arnolds is ridiculous. His arm is also the same width of their torso front to back.

He dwarfs Dickerson and Zane big time.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 23, 2017, 03:30:57 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 23, 2017, 06:11:25 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 24, 2017, 04:15:08 PM
 :)
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Post by: hench on July 25, 2017, 05:57:26 AM
Again, look at the superior hamstring separation in 80. So while some size was missing, he made up for it with new qualities
:)
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Post by: AB on July 25, 2017, 05:58:40 AM
we all know arnold never won the show ::)
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Post by: illuminati on July 25, 2017, 01:33:26 PM
we all know arnold never won the show ::)



We all know he did Win.

It's you that has the mental block.
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Post by: Straw Man on July 25, 2017, 01:45:36 PM
There is no fooking way that man-hoe butt-slut Dicksuckerson should have been allowed on stage, much less come in second place.  What a waste of drugs,  macaroni-elbowed butt-munching munchkin he was.

Mentzer or Zane deserved 2nd. 

why exactly shouldn't he have been allowed on stage?
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Post by: Pet shop boys on July 25, 2017, 01:57:59 PM
 ;D
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Post by: illuminati on July 25, 2017, 04:39:15 PM
There is no fooking way that man-hoe butt-slut Dicksuckerson should have been allowed on stage, much less come in second place.  What a waste of drugs,  macaroni-elbowed butt-munching munchkin he was.

Mentzer or Zane deserved 2nd. 

why exactly shouldn't he have been allowed on stage?




At a guess I would say Scott Dosent like the Arse loving queer
And also Dosent like his awful physique

Hence why he thinks he shouldn't of been on stage.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 25, 2017, 05:14:34 PM
we all know arnold never won the show ::)
So who won?  :)
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Post by: The Scott on July 25, 2017, 07:08:41 PM
why exactly shouldn't he have been allowed on stage?

He was awful.  That's why.  His physique was vastly inferior.
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Post by: The Scott on July 25, 2017, 07:12:05 PM



At a guess I would say Scott Dosent like the Arse loving queer
And also Dosent like his awful physique

Hence why he thinks he shouldn't of been on stage.

You, sir...Are truly illuminated. ;D  That is exactly why.  Dickerson was a flaming butt-slut who sold himself by making porn films and his physique sucked even more than he did.
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Post by: Nether Animal on July 25, 2017, 07:25:01 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=736956;image)

Brutal chest on Mike...
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Post by: AbrahamG on July 25, 2017, 07:32:23 PM
Brutal chest on Mike...

Can't win Mr. Olympia with a chest worse than Craig Titus.
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Post by: Nether Animal on July 25, 2017, 07:51:06 PM
Can't win Mr. Olympia with a chest worse than Craig Titus.

 :-\

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=628065.0;attach=737034;image)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 25, 2017, 10:12:44 PM
Can't win Mr. Olympia with a chest worse than Craig Titus.
Add to that being narrow(more than Heath) and having a big gut.
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Post by: Megalodon on August 03, 2017, 05:29:56 PM
Zanier looking
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Post by: BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT on August 03, 2017, 05:45:14 PM
Add to that being narrow(more than Heath) and having a big gut.

Ahh...the days when standing relaxed from the side....actually had them standing fully sideways.
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Post by: Vince B on August 03, 2017, 07:23:32 PM
Ahh...the days when standing relaxed from the side....actually had them standing fully sideways.

Not quite. Arnold 'cheated' by twisting a bit. See photo above.
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Post by: Nether Animal on August 04, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
Zanier looking

Looks narrower than usual... One disadvantage to having big sloping traps.
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Post by: hench on August 05, 2017, 03:45:00 AM
It's a very odd pic, like his head has been enlarged.
Looks narrower than usual... One disadvantage to having big sloping traps.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 06, 2017, 07:25:50 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 06, 2017, 07:50:14 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 06, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
Read em and weep !!

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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 20, 2017, 03:20:14 PM
LMAO Arnold in 1980 in Australia with Bev Francis  :-X
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 21, 2017, 03:44:07 AM
 :)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on August 23, 2017, 07:42:37 AM
:)


Running out of 1980 pics?



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: Pet shop boys on August 23, 2017, 07:01:34 PM
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: BSN on September 01, 2017, 02:31:34 AM
1980
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Post by: hench on September 01, 2017, 04:42:19 AM
Never seen that before, he looks fantastic
1980
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Post by: sculpture on September 01, 2017, 10:56:43 AM
It's a shop

His face is from 1980, his body isn't
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Post by: BSN on September 01, 2017, 11:18:28 AM
It's a picture published in Weider's books. Looks pretty good in 1980 with a minus to his arms
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Post by: hench on September 01, 2017, 11:20:27 AM
No its not, there is a most muscular from that shoot too I scanned in many years.  He's got the same smaller trunks on than the 70s.

It's a shop

His face is from 1980, his body isn't
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Post by: kevin25 on September 01, 2017, 11:22:38 AM
LMAO Arnold in 1980 in Australia with Bev Francis  :-X
You mean Ben Francis?  :o
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Post by: MAXX on September 01, 2017, 11:34:10 AM
here we see clerarly that Mentzer is the better bber

Arnold has him beat in pecs thats about it...

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=734221)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=734217)

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Post by: pellius on September 02, 2017, 02:05:10 AM
here we see clerarly that Mentzer is the better bber

Arnold has him beat in pecs thats about it...

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=734221)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=734217)



Well, you will get a lot of disagreement on the Arnold comparison but Mike does blow away Zane, Boyer and Dickerson.
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Post by: karasan on September 02, 2017, 04:43:52 AM
Zane had amazing tie-ins, his deltoids are nothing short of phonemonal, wide, square, ripped and capped.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 02, 2017, 05:05:42 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 02, 2017, 05:06:31 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 16, 2017, 06:32:47 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 18, 2017, 01:20:50 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 23, 2017, 08:29:19 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 23, 2017, 08:46:39 AM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on September 23, 2017, 09:03:26 AM
Gorilla Balls  ;D
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 23, 2017, 09:10:32 AM
Gorilla Balls  ;D

LMAO I wonder who the marketing genius of that brand was? And if he's still employed.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 05, 2017, 04:23:50 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 05, 2017, 04:32:12 PM
Mike-The-Fucking-Gut-Mentzer was NOT beating Arnold in 1980
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Post by: Nether Animal on October 05, 2017, 10:08:08 PM
Mike-The-Fucking-Gut-Mentzer was NOT beating Arnold in 1980

Truly.
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Post by: hench on October 06, 2017, 02:23:41 AM
No arnolds significantly wider while having a slimmer waist stood well behind meatier with a much thicket chest. Mentzer from the side was not good atall.
Mike-The-Fucking-Gut-Mentzer was NOT beating Arnold in 1980
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Post by: Pet shop boys on October 06, 2017, 07:40:50 AM
No arnolds significantly wider while having a slimmer waist stood well behind meatier with a much thicket chest. Mentzer from the side was not good atall.

This.

WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: bigbychoices on October 06, 2017, 08:09:07 AM
like i have posted before. in my opinion menzter was the first bb to have the gut. arnold knew it too. he fucked mikes head up in 1980  said calmly to him "mike you lost in 79 cuz you have a big gut"  mike went nuts. arnold just remained calm and cool. then later on stage all arnold had to do was smile at mike and mike lost it his big gut hung out and arnold just laughed.
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Post by: hench on October 06, 2017, 09:11:50 AM
Unfortunately the truth hurts, Mike obviously knew it was a weakness and couldn't argue it. I agree,
Before mentzer I don't recall a gut. Arnold could easily mess with people's heads and mentzer made himself an easy target.

 
like i have posted before. in my opinion menzter was the first bb to have the gut. arnold knew it too. he fucked mikes head up in 1980  said calmly to him "mike you lost in 79 cuz you have a big gut"  mike went nuts. arnold just remained calm and cool. then later on stage all arnold had to do was smile at mike and mike lost it his big gut hung out and arnold just laughed.

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Post by: Nether Animal on October 06, 2017, 06:16:31 PM
Mentzer overdieted, presumably in an attempt to avoid a gut. He looked patently flat and depleted in the side shots. His chest was hit the hardest.
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Post by: oldtimer1 on October 06, 2017, 06:30:16 PM
Arnold at 80% could beat a Mentzer at 100%.
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Post by: Dan-O on October 06, 2017, 07:13:54 PM
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tommywishbone on October 06, 2017, 08:31:26 PM
  • Roger Walker was in the shape of his life and was huge but would have looked better with a better tan.
  • Mentzer was also in the shape of his life but just didn't have Arnold's aesthetic appeal.  And Mike's muscles just didn't "pop" like the guys who placed ahead of him.
  • Coe was in great shape but wasn't big enough to beat the bigger guys.  Also, he was all arms and legs--his abs and back were subpar.
  • Zane looked great (was planning on showing up in 1980 at over 200 lbs. for the first time in his career) but didn't compare to his '79 version due to his training being disrupted due to injury (severed urethra).
  • Dickerson had a great back and calves.  His arms were probably 16.5 inches and he had weird abs.  And a torn pec and bicep.  But he had so much detail and he could pose so masterfully.
  • Arnold at 90% of his past shape was still better than the rest.  He deserved his last Mr. Olympia win.  Final answer.

 :) This thread is now closed.

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Post by: Dan-O on October 06, 2017, 09:02:32 PM
:) This thread is now closed.

 ;D

Also, at the 1980 O Tony Emmott displayed the worst case of gyno I've seen before or since.  He should have been embarrassed to even get onstage.  There's a pic floating around of him doing a front lat spread in this show and the bitch tit on his right pec is literally hanging down 2-3 inches past his pec.  Just awful.

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Post by: Dan-O on October 06, 2017, 09:44:31 PM
Arnold displaying a Christmas tree in the 1980 O, before it was a thing (screen cap from 1980 Olympia video, pardon the poor quality):
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Post by: tommywishbone on October 06, 2017, 09:52:39 PM
It's funny, Roger Walker gets little mention in this awesome line up, but he was real good that night.
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Post by: Dan-O on October 06, 2017, 10:03:37 PM
It's funny, Roger Walker gets little mention in this awesome line up, but he was real good that night.


Speaking of Roger Walker, and of Christmas trees.  His back was phenomenal.  Holy shit.
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Post by: NotMrAverage on October 07, 2017, 01:59:39 AM
If Mike would have filled out for 3 weeks and upped his kcal abit he would have dominated this shit so bad...
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Post by: illuminati on October 07, 2017, 02:15:02 AM
If Mike would have filled out for 3 weeks and upped his kcal abit he would have dominated this shit so bad...

3 weeks to fill out. ??

yes he was over dieted & small for the show.
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Post by: NotMrAverage on October 07, 2017, 04:13:07 AM
Yes. He was already in awesome shape from dieting all year to get in Zanes shape. This is a trick I learned from Milos. After a long diet you fill out as crazy the weeks after. Pop a diuretic and youre good to go.
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Post by: Nether Animal on October 07, 2017, 05:35:43 AM
Speaking of Roger Walker, and of Christmas trees.  His back was phenomenal.  Holy shit.

Yup, easily his best. Lots of guys were on point in 80 but fell hard by 81-82. He was one of them.
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Post by: hench on October 07, 2017, 06:05:44 AM
Second biggest guy there but still dwarfed by Arnold.
It's funny, Roger Walker gets little mention in this awesome line up, but he was real good that night.

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Post by: Natural_O on October 07, 2017, 07:38:27 AM
I remember reading that Mentzer turned up the heat in his hotel room in Sydney, turning it into a sauna so he could dry out even more.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on November 21, 2017, 06:33:07 AM
Look at that waist ......


WooSHHHHHHH  ;D
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Post by: njflex on November 21, 2017, 12:48:16 PM
Look at that waist ......


WooSHHHHHHH  ;D
tom cruise upped da dose,,
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Post by: Dan-O on November 21, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
Uhhh...is that Bev Francis in that pic?

Look at that waist ......

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=750071;image)

WooSHHHHHHH  ;D
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Post by: Pet shop boys on November 21, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
Uhhh...is that Bev Francis in that pic?



yup ....Just imagine how people used to react to her built some  37-40 years ago ....when the average Joe was around 170 lbs.



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH
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Post by: Pet shop boys on November 21, 2017, 01:02:33 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Dan-O on November 21, 2017, 01:47:17 PM

yup ....Just imagine how people used to react to her built some  37-40 years ago ....when the average Joe was around 170 lbs.



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH

The Cammie Luskos and the Laura Combes of the late '70s-early '80s were considered shockingly muscular, and then Bev came on the scene and blew minds all over the place.
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Post by: JAGO on November 21, 2017, 02:41:25 PM
It's funny, Roger Walker gets little mention in this awesome line up, but he was real good that night.


I know what you mean . . . He was top 6 at least ( should have beaten Mike and Boyer) and I have always been a big fan.

J
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Post by: Vince B on November 21, 2017, 03:37:58 PM
Uhhh...is that Bev Francis in that pic?


I took that photo. Arnold came with Franco to our gym at West Ryde for a seminar the day after the Mr Olympia. Funny thing after this photo was that Arnold took Bev for a short ride. Apparently he asked if she was using any steroids.

We didn't learn anything from Franco. He did adjust a few backs and that was something interesting.

Bev posed at the Olympia and we all wondered how she would be received. Well, she got a huge ovation which was nice. No one had seen such large muscles on a woman before. I helped Bev with her posing routine as well.
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Post by: Dan-O on November 21, 2017, 03:45:49 PM
I took that photo. Arnold came with Franco to our gym at West Ryde for a seminar the day after the Mr Olympia. Funny thing after this photo was that Arnold took Bev for a short ride. Apparently he asked if she was using any steroids.

We didn't learn anything from Franco. He did adjust a few backs and that was something interesting.

Bev posed at the Olympia and we all wondered how she would be received. Well, she got a huge ovation which was nice. No one had seen such large muscles on a woman before. I helped Bev with her posing routine as well.

Cool pic!  Are you saying Bev guest posed at the 1980 Olympia?  She was quite a muscular sensation at the time, then she streamlined her physique, got some cosmetic surgery done and eventually finished 2nd in the Ms. Olympia.
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Post by: Vince B on November 21, 2017, 03:50:14 PM
Cool pic!  Are you saying Bev guest posed at the 1980 Olympia?  She was quite a muscular sensation at the time, then she streamlined her physique, got some cosmetic surgery done and eventually finished 2nd in the Ms. Olympia.

Yes, she guest posed at the 1980 Mr Olympia. She first competed in Las Vegas in 1983 while they were making a movie about the women. That movie never went anywhere. Bev placed 8th! Ben Weider fixed the contest.

She married Steve Weinberger and went to live in New York and opened a gym. Steve insisted she look more feminine so she had a nose job.

I got divorced in 1999 so I haven't seen Bev for a long time now.
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Post by: Dan-O on November 21, 2017, 03:52:21 PM
Yes, she guest posed at the 1980 Mr Olympia. She first competed in Las Vegas in 1983 while they were making a movie about the women. That movie never went anywhere. Bev placed 8th! Ben Weider fixed the contest.

She married Steve Weinberger and went to live in New York and opened a gym. Steve insisted she look more feminine so she had a nose job.

I got divorced in 1999 so I haven't seen Bev for a long time now.

I remember Bev thought she would either place 1st, or dead last.  Instead she got placed right smack in the middle...how much sense does that make??
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Post by: Vince B on November 21, 2017, 04:11:45 PM
I remember Bev thought she would either place 1st, or dead last.  Instead she got placed right smack in the middle...how much sense does that make??

8th place is what the IFBB awards to guys like Sergio. In Bev's case, Ben and others felt that she looked too much like a man and that wasn't what the ideal for women should be.

One year Bev lost weight and did all those feminine poses but the title was never hers. Lenda Murray arrived on the stage and perhaps she was more deserving than Bev.

We never thought that the Ms Olympia would be cancelled. The IFBB never did thorough and consistent drug testing probably because it was too expensive and an accredited testing lab was necessary.

Jay Cutler challenged his disqualification and won his case because they didn't use an accredited lab for the drug tests.

Bev never tested positive for steroids as far as I know. Her best friend in Australia, Gael Martin, failed drug tests twice and was banned from athletic competitions.

Both women dominated their weight classes in powerlifting back in the late seventies and early eighties. Both set plenty of world records. Bev was the first women to officially bench press 300 pounds. Later she hoisted 330 pounds while weighing 181 pounds.
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Post by: Hypertrophy on November 21, 2017, 07:46:29 PM
It's funny, Roger Walker gets little mention in this awesome line up, but he was real good that night.


Walker always looked solid. No idea why he was passed over. Bad poser?
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Post by: BSN on November 21, 2017, 10:08:04 PM
Arnold & Roger
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Post by: Pet shop boys on November 22, 2017, 06:34:54 AM
I took that photo. Arnold came with Franco to our gym at West Ryde for a seminar the day after the Mr Olympia. Funny thing after this photo was that Arnold took Bev for a short ride. Apparently he asked if she was using any steroids.

We didn't learn anything from Franco. He did adjust a few backs and that was something interesting.

Bev posed at the Olympia and we all wondered how she would be received. Well, she got a huge ovation which was nice. No one had seen such large muscles on a woman before. I helped Bev with her posing routine as well.

That's awesome !


do you have any more photos from the 1980 ?



WooOSHHHHHHHH
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Post by: BSN on November 23, 2017, 12:53:36 AM
Arnold and Zane
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Post by: BSN on November 28, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Arnold, Roger, Roy and Mike
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Post by: hench on November 28, 2017, 02:52:07 PM
Cool pic, never seen before, arnold looks huge even furthest away from the camera
Arnold, Roger, Roy and Mike
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Post by: Viking11 on November 28, 2017, 03:40:46 PM
Arnold, Roger, Roy and Mike
Mike wins this from the back.. despite the claims he had a weak back, here he had really brought it up! All the deadlifts and power cleans paid off. Callender's is good, just not very hard  looking, same with Walker, though it looks like he is not quite set in the pose. probably true of Arnold as well. Mentzer's triceps and arguably calves are the best as well.  Maybe he only seemed flat from the side and a bit from the front.?
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Post by: Tarantula157 on November 28, 2017, 05:33:08 PM
Mike wins this from the back.. despite the claims he had a weak back, here he had really brought it up! All the deadlifts and power cleans paid off. Callender's is good, just not very hard  looking, same with Walker, though it looks like he is not quite set in the pose. probably true of Arnold as well. Mentzer's triceps and arguably calves are the best as well.  Maybe he only seemed flat from the side and a bit from the front.?
Mike looked the best only on the relaxed quarterturn from the back. When they started the actual poses RDB and RLS he lost it.
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Post by: Viking11 on November 28, 2017, 06:52:47 PM
i dont think his DBs were bad.  couldnt find a llat spread on short norice
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Post by: Viking11 on November 28, 2017, 06:53:36 PM
back
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Post by: Vince B on November 28, 2017, 07:18:00 PM
Can we even estimate the egos assembled on stage that day? A lot of broken bodybuilders after Arnold won in 1980. Some never recovered.
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Post by: Viking11 on November 28, 2017, 08:14:25 PM
Mike's back looked great in that back relaxed pose earlier (yep, better than Arnold in that particular photo) but Arnold is beating Mike soundly in the back double biceps.
Above the waist he is, but Arnold had probably the best upper body of all time. Mentzer was more known for legs than torso though his delts, triceps and forearms are much better than Arnold. Arnold had that great chest, biceps and his back was very defined with the best v shape ever imo.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on November 28, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
Above the waist he is, but Arnold had probably the best upper body of all time. Mentzer was more known for legs than torso though his delts, triceps and forearms are much better than Arnold. Arnold had that great chest, biceps and his back was very defined with the best v shape ever imo.
Look at the above photo of BDB how much better Arnold's delts are compared to Mike's
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Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on November 29, 2017, 01:17:15 AM
Yes, she guest posed at the 1980 Mr Olympia. She first competed in Las Vegas in 1983 while they were making a movie about the women. That movie never went anywhere. Bev placed 8th! Ben Weider fixed the contest.

She married Steve Weinberger and went to live in New York and opened a gym. Steve insisted she look more feminine so she had a nose job.

I got divorced in 1999 so I haven't seen Bev for a long time now.

It's a good movie/doco too. Like the men's pumping Iron.

They even have a scene from the judges meeting where Ben Weider is telling them how to judge. So fucking rigged.
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Post by: hench on November 29, 2017, 02:03:27 AM
And the sheer size and volume in his arms along with the sick separation just destroy Mike.
Look at the above photo of BDB how much better Arnold's delts are compared to Mike's
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Post by: BSN on November 29, 2017, 05:12:09 AM
fdb.. Arnold vs Mike
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on November 29, 2017, 08:21:52 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on November 29, 2017, 08:23:36 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on November 29, 2017, 08:27:01 AM
 8)
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Post by: hench on November 30, 2017, 01:04:42 AM
Arnolds calves beating them all from the rear here and the colour pics his legs look great.
8)
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Post by: illuminati on November 30, 2017, 03:33:13 AM
From the front it's closer. Like Bill Pearl said, BBing hadn't stood still in the five years since Arnold retired. Guys like Chris Dickerson had amazing calves from the front - arguably more developed than Arnold's because of the tibialis anterior. However, like you said, Arnold knew how to 'pop' them from virtually any angle and especially from the back.

Bill Pearl what Hypocrite He Took 4/5 years off between contests
Had he Forgot That - So The Sport of Bodybuilding had Literally Stood Still For Him also
As He was able to comeback & Win these contests... ::)
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Post by: Natural_O on November 30, 2017, 06:41:44 AM
Bill Pearl what Hypocrite He Took 4/5 years off between contests
Had he Forgot That - So The Sport of Bodybuilding had Literally Stood Still For Him also
As He was able to comeback & Win these contests... ::)

I think what Bill Pearl was saying was that if Arnold could only train for 8 weeks and come back and win, then the sport had stood still and not made progress.
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Post by: Simple Simon on November 30, 2017, 06:55:44 AM
I think what Bill Pearl was saying was that if Arnold could only train for 8 weeks and come back and win, then the sport had stood still and not made progress.

the fact we can take the Ronnie of 99 and stand him on the O stage today and he would walk it says how much the sport has stood still.
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Post by: Eric2 on November 30, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
I think what Bill Pearl was saying was that if Arnold could only train for 8 weeks and come back and win, then the sport had stood still and not made progress.

Bodybuilding was still trying to catch up with Arnold. He was more than a decade ahead of the rest. If they wanted to best him they needed better genetics.
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Post by: Natural_O on November 30, 2017, 10:22:42 AM
From what I understood about Bill Pearl, he was more concerned with his gym business than he was competing. He owned several gyms and every 4-5 years, he would jump into another Mr. Universe contest and win it, both as a way to motivate himself to get into great shape and also as a way to promote his business. When he competed in his last show in 1971, he announced in IronMan Magazine the year before that this would be his last contest and he was issuing a challenge to anyone who wanted to compete against him.
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Post by: NotMrAverage on November 30, 2017, 10:56:02 AM
I think the judges got this one right. They are not stupid you know... Arnold sure was smaller then before but he was the best. Just as stated he won over a bunch of really good bbs and you have to give it to him.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on November 30, 2017, 02:47:39 PM
 :)
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Post by: illuminati on November 30, 2017, 02:51:31 PM
I think what Bill Pearl was saying was that if Arnold could only train for 8 weeks and come back and win, then the sport had stood still and not made progress.

That may well be the case.
Only he didn't say that - He was having a dig at Arnold
For returning & competing.

Completely not mentioning he had done the same several times previously

How did he know Arnold had trained for 8 wks 8days or 8 months.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on November 30, 2017, 04:12:24 PM
 :)
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Post by: IRON CROSS on December 01, 2017, 01:17:10 AM
Can we even estimate the egos assembled on stage that day? A lot of broken bodybuilders after Arnold won in 1980. Some never recovered.

and some never recovered after IFBB Mr.Australia 1975

 ;D
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Post by: Viking11 on December 01, 2017, 01:49:04 PM
Look at the above photo of BDB how much better Arnold's delts are compared to Mike's

They look better there, because he is hitting the pose extremely well. Mike isn't hitting it as well. If you look at other pics in this thread Mike and then probably Tinnerino had the best delts. Arnold the best chest for sure, best biceps, then Coe, Back was one of the best. He did have weak points, his triceps were not great in this show, and his thighs were bad at this contest. They didnt judge glutes back then, and no I dont want to look, I think it is a stupid body part to judge. Sorry but no way Arnold was at his best here, as Zane said m in that short of time, his strong points made it back..
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Post by: Tarantula157 on December 01, 2017, 03:31:53 PM
They look better there, because he is hitting the pose extremely well. Mike isn't hitting it as well. If you look at other pics in this thread Mike and then probably Tinnerino had the best delts. Arnold the best chest for sure, best biceps, then Coe, Back was one of the best. He did have weak points, his triceps were not great in this show, and his thighs were bad at this contest. They didnt judge glutes back then, and no I dont want to look, I think it is a stupid body part to judge. Sorry but no way Arnold was at his best here, as Zane said m in that short of time, his strong points made it back..
Arnold is hitting the BDB pose better than Mike,just as Mike is "hitting" the back relaxed better than Arnold(he twists his arms to get the attention to his strong points-triceps,while Arnold stays completely relaxed).
Arnold had weak points,no one denies that,just as everyone else at this contest had theirs (narrow clavicles,weak chest,sticking out belly were some of Mike's).Yes,they didn't judge glutes back then,but if they did Mike's loosing it even more as his were jelly like soft...
 As you said, Arnold definitely wasn't at his best,but he didn't compete against himself.He was still the best in that line up and that's what matters.
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Post by: Tarantula157 on December 01, 2017, 03:42:27 PM
How Arnold's stomach looked while hitting BDB in comparison to today's pros...
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Post by: Tarantula157 on December 01, 2017, 03:44:56 PM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on December 03, 2017, 01:29:03 AM
1980 side chest in studio
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Post by: NotMrAverage on December 03, 2017, 06:51:47 AM
How Arnold's stomach looked while hitting BDB in comparison to today's pros...

Not much of a vacuum going on here lol!
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 03, 2017, 12:56:34 PM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on December 06, 2017, 12:09:48 PM
Mentzer is coming..
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2017, 12:47:34 PM
Mentzer is coming..

and went....
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2017, 12:56:31 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2017, 12:57:42 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2017, 03:07:14 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2017, 03:13:46 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 07, 2017, 03:16:39 PM
 :)
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Post by: Vince B on December 07, 2017, 04:28:11 PM
If there ever was a chance to beat Arnold for everyone except Sergio, then 1980 was the year.

Zane got injured just before the contest and lost a valuable 10 pounds.

Chris had elbow problems that affected his arm size.

Mike didn't have the size he needed on the day.

Roy looked better just one year earlier.

Danny was huge but a tad smooth.

Dennis had everything but couldn't pose well enough to win.

Boyer was the master poser but didn't fare well in the comparisons.

Roger was huge but had some gyno. Not as aesthetic as the other top guys.

Arnold didn't look so great in the lineup. However when he did those quarter turns he looked the winner.

Arnold was mates with Paul Graham, Brendan Ryan and several of the judges. All those friendships

eventually paid off for him. He was a political animal even then. We all underestimated the guy.
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Post by: BSN on December 07, 2017, 10:50:17 PM
Arnold would have won anyway.. just because  ;D
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 08, 2017, 05:21:06 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 09, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on December 10, 2017, 11:11:58 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Pet shop boys on December 11, 2017, 05:49:46 AM
How Arnold's stomach looked while hitting BDB in comparison to today's pros...

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=750769;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=750770;image)

It will be the comparison of all ages if someone can photoshop Arnold next to Phil doing the BDP pose .



WoooSHHHHHHHH Wheres the revolution
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 12, 2017, 03:41:23 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 14, 2017, 03:21:17 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 14, 2017, 03:29:37 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 16, 2017, 04:39:03 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 18, 2017, 01:17:23 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 20, 2017, 04:44:02 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 20, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
 :)
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Post by: Dan-O on December 20, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
Love this!  Rick Wayne totally had the Lenny Kravitz thing going on when the actual Lenny was only 16.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=751684;image)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on December 21, 2017, 07:23:34 AM
Love this!  Rick Wayne totally had the Lenny Kravitz thing going on when the actual Lenny was only 16.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=751684;image)

A Muscular, articulated lenny Kravitz by the way.





WoSH
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Post by: hench on December 21, 2017, 09:55:56 AM
Arnold as wide as mentzer and Zane stood in the background.
:)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 24, 2017, 08:56:54 AM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on December 24, 2017, 10:00:04 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 24, 2017, 12:04:03 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 24, 2017, 12:16:36 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 24, 2017, 12:39:43 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 24, 2017, 02:53:06 PM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on December 26, 2017, 11:25:34 AM
.....
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Post by: Nether Animal on December 26, 2017, 11:33:50 AM
:)

Mike has like no torso, and that's a good pose for him too. Damn he missed the mark that year.
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Post by: BSN on December 27, 2017, 12:36:21 AM
 :)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on December 27, 2017, 01:09:35 PM
 ;D
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Post by: BSN on December 28, 2017, 12:59:30 AM
side chest
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 30, 2017, 07:50:30 AM
 :)
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Post by: The Scott on December 30, 2017, 08:31:13 AM
The only person that could've beaten Arnold '80 would be Arnold 75', '74, '73...In other words, Arnold.
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Post by: tres_taco_combo on December 30, 2017, 08:43:31 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=753133;image)
arnold doesnt have glutes like the other guys
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 30, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 01, 2018, 08:34:55 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 01, 2018, 08:42:38 AM
Read the quotes lol Mentzer salty as hell  ;D
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 01, 2018, 08:43:58 AM
 :)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 01, 2018, 08:45:45 AM
 :)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on January 25, 2018, 12:47:43 PM
WooSHHHHHHHH
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Post by: brakus99 on January 25, 2018, 05:33:33 PM
 ND--- What magazine title and issue number is that? Looks like a cool issue to have
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 26, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
ND--- What magazine title and issue number is that? Looks like a cool issue to have

I'm not actually sure , Sorry
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Post by: Nether Animal on January 26, 2018, 04:42:18 PM
Roger Walker looks awesome, best he ever looked.
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Post by: Kahn.N.Singh on January 26, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
I'm not actually sure , Sorry

Come on, guys! Where's your inner Schmoelock Holmes?

The title is "Arnold's Lucky Seven?" and is reported by "MMI Correspondent."

So, once we eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the answer.
Hence, it's from:

Muscle Mag INTERNATIONAL, March 1981 (No. 23)

Contents Inlude:
SERGIO OLIVA NEW WORLD CHAMP. Plus, ARNOLDS LUCKY SEVEN? Also, 1980 OLYMPIA PICTORIAL REVUE.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/muscle-mag-international-1981-sergio-467355397

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=152591.0;attach=170073;image)

Elementary, dear Getbiggers.

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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 26, 2018, 05:05:20 PM
Come on, guys! Where's your inner Schmoelock Holmes?

The title is "Arnold's Lucky Seven?" and is reported by "MMI Correspondent."

So, once we eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the answer.
Hence, it's from:

Muscle Mag INTERNATIONAL, March 1981 (No. 23)

Contents Inlude:
SERGIO OLIVA NEW WORLD CHAMP. Plus, ARNOLDS LUCKY SEVEN? Also, 1980 OLYMPIA PICTORIAL REVUE.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/muscle-mag-international-1981-sergio-467355397

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=152591.0;attach=170073;image)

Elementary, dear Getbiggers.



Bravo ! Thank you for the effort
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Post by: Pet shop boys on February 07, 2018, 06:50:23 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528496.0;attach=756213;image)



1980 only - Arnold; the lean, dry champ



WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 07, 2018, 09:13:34 AM
 :)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on February 07, 2018, 09:17:04 AM
 8)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 07, 2018, 09:36:48 AM
 :)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on February 08, 2018, 06:12:01 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528496.0;attach=756213;image)


Is this the same exact sweater Arnold used in Commando ??



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 08, 2018, 08:00:12 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528496.0;attach=756213;image)


Is this the same exact sweater Arnold used in Commando ??



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on February 12, 2018, 09:49:57 AM
 8)
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Post by: BSN on February 12, 2018, 12:56:59 PM
.
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Post by: BSN on March 14, 2018, 05:10:12 AM
(http://cdn-maf0.heartyhosting.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/full_node_image_1090x614/public/media/arnold%20flexing%20_0.jpg?itok=NBuT2xO3)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 20, 2018, 06:02:18 PM
 :)
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Post by: Montague on April 21, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528496.0;attach=756213;image)


Is this the same exact sweater Arnold used in Commando ??



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=756259;image)



No.

(http://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/John-Matrix-Commando-Schwarzenegger-d.jpg)
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Post by: BSN on April 22, 2018, 10:45:04 PM
Arnold and Chris
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Post by: Nether Animal on April 23, 2018, 08:38:34 PM
Arnold and Chris

Dickerson brought the condition that year.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on April 24, 2018, 01:22:58 PM
Dickerson brought the condition that year.


He also brought a horrid looking physique
With melted abs - tiny torn biceps - thick obliques
And a chimp face.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Nether Animal on April 24, 2018, 02:43:17 PM

He also brought a horrid looking physique
With melted abs - tiny torn biceps - thick obliques
And a chimp face.



All true.
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Post by: 6 Reps on April 24, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
More from 1980:
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Post by: 6 Reps on April 26, 2018, 03:51:39 AM
Another 1980 contest photo:
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Post by: hench on April 26, 2018, 11:32:48 AM
Good one,  never seen before, looks great.
Another 1980 contest photo:
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Post by: Nether Animal on April 26, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
8)

Looks like someone photoshopped extra vascularity on Arnie and Roger. Wtf?
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Post by: BSN on May 01, 2018, 04:06:08 AM
Arnold's back
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Post by: NotMrAverage on May 01, 2018, 05:53:22 AM

He also brought a horrid looking physique
With melted abs - tiny torn biceps - thick obliques
And a chimp face.



Ive noted with Dickerson he looks better standing relaxed than flexed. Its a wierd phenonomen. Its shows up every so often. Casey Viator is another one.
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Post by: Nether Animal on May 02, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
Roger Walker is another one that flamed out after this competition. 

Before
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1251/9383/files/Bodybuilder_-_Roger_Walker.jpg?13517848533888643476)

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/37/10/01/371001fabda05416a99efe0c370079b4--australia.jpg)

After
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=318577.0;attach=432944;image)
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Post by: illuminati on May 02, 2018, 08:23:40 PM
Ive noted with Dickerson he looks better standing relaxed than flexed. Its a wierd phenonomen. Its shows up every so often. Casey Viator is another one.

Only time Dickerson looks better is when he’s standing in the Dark
 ;D

God awful physique
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Post by: tommywishbone on May 02, 2018, 10:05:04 PM
Roger Walker is another one that flamed out after this competition. 

Before
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1251/9383/files/Bodybuilder_-_Roger_Walker.jpg?13517848533888643476)

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/37/10/01/371001fabda05416a99efe0c370079b4--australia.jpg)

After
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=318577.0;attach=432944;image)

Damn. In that "overhead abdominal and thigh" shot Walker is taking out Mentzer. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: BSN on May 02, 2018, 11:26:05 PM
arm shot
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Post by: NotMrAverage on May 03, 2018, 03:59:30 AM
Only time Dickerson looks better is when he’s standing in the Dark
 ;D

God awful physique

 :)
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Post by: BSN on May 03, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
arm shot
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Post by: BSN on May 04, 2018, 02:27:17 AM
 ;D
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 04, 2018, 04:45:12 PM
 :)
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Post by: hipolito mejia on May 05, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
:)

That's the picture not only of what a comeback should be , but what bodybuilding should be about. 

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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 05, 2018, 01:36:40 PM
 :)
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Post by: Royal Lion on May 05, 2018, 06:01:50 PM
:)

I prefer Arnold’s look in 1980. He was not his biggest, but his conditioning and shape were spot on.
This is a phenomenal pic. He is the GOAT for a reason, and he wiped the floor with everyone that year.
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Post by: mong on May 07, 2018, 02:41:59 AM
No he didn't wipe the floor with everyone that year. Lotta debate about it but......you're kinda saying the audience that night had no clue. Almost to a man (or woman) that audience booed Arnold's 'victory'. Yep I WAS there. Seated behind Joe Weider who for the record asked if I thought Arnold should have won.
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Post by: BSN on May 07, 2018, 03:57:13 AM
Arnold, Dickerson, Zane
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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 07, 2018, 05:10:03 AM
No he didn't wipe the floor with everyone that year. Lotta debate about it but......you're kinda saying the audience that night had no clue. Almost to a man (or woman) that audience booed Arnold's 'victory'. Yep I WAS there. Seated behind Joe Weider who for the record asked if I thought Arnold should have won.


38 years later,  the question remains ....

Was Arnold the best man on stage that day ?



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  Ta Na Ka
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Nether Animal on May 07, 2018, 05:51:00 AM
if not arnold, who then?

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Post by: Royal Lion on May 07, 2018, 07:49:19 AM
No he didn't wipe the floor with everyone that year. Lotta debate about it but......you're kinda saying the audience that night had no clue. Almost to a man (or woman) that audience booed Arnold's 'victory'. Yep I WAS there. Seated behind Joe Weider who for the record asked if I thought Arnold should have won.

Well, since you were there, why don’t you enlighten us as to who should have beaten Arnold?  It is not uncommon for the audience to boo when the winner is announced.  It is a subjective competition and many have their favorites who they want to win, but who do not. I attended the Mr. O from 2002-2005. There were boos every year....that doesn’t mean Ronnie did not dominate those years.

Based on the photos and the analysis I have seen, no one was better than Arnold that year.  The Mentzer camp made a lot of noise, but he placed 5th after all.  Much of the controversy was because of Arnold’s last minute entry, the fact that he trained for a short period, and he was smaller than previous years.  He was still the best man on stage IMO. Reasonable minds can certainly disagree, but to me, being able to rightfully win under his circumstances in 1980 is wiping the floor with the competition.  No one could beat a down-sized, but shredded, Arnold, who had moved his focus to Hollywood and essentially competed on a whim.
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Post by: pellius on May 07, 2018, 02:14:19 PM
if not arnold, who then?



That's it right here. Arnold was not at his best, but who was better? I liked Mentzer and think
he should have at least taken second.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 07, 2018, 02:55:32 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 07, 2018, 02:56:09 PM
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 07, 2018, 03:49:12 PM
 :)
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Post by: oldtimer1 on May 07, 2018, 04:37:46 PM
I agree with the placings. It becomes clearer when you see the video. Arnold at 85% was better than anyone else. Chris Dickerson was carved from ice. He deserved 2nd. Zane was maybe the most cut I ever saw him but he was way down in weight because of the accident. I remember reading he said he was 182 lbs. Coe, Callender were in fantastic shape.

Mentzer  came in 5th and deserved that placement. His popularity was bigger than his physique. When Robby justly beat him for the Universe I heard the same outrage. Same when Kalman beat him for the Universe the year after.
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Post by: BSN on May 07, 2018, 09:15:10 PM
:)

Arnold had the worst front double biceps in recent years as bodybuilder. At the1975 Mr Olympia, another lightweight version, was more impressive.
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 08, 2018, 05:28:39 AM
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Post by: bigbychoices on May 08, 2018, 06:03:02 AM
its pretty simple. when i seen the results in muscle builder i thought at first how did he win? i was saddened by how he looked.  BUT i then realized i was comparing him to the old arnold. he didnt even come close to looking like arnold. BUT he was better then everyone else that day. he didnt "destroy" them like usual but he did beat them. thats peoples problem. they expected him to look like he used to.   others were good but still not good enough. you could even see it their eyes during the show. look at the pics. they are looking at him like "fuck he wins" they were admiring him. plus its not just about him winning its the way the others reacted that kept the so called controversy going. bunch of loser cry babies . mentzer being the biggest of them all. he thought waaayyy to much of himself. he even said " bodybuilding just lost its best spokesman" ( when he said he was done putting his body thru this hell for a shit decision)   arnold could probably train for a year now and beat these bloated fucktards again!!
 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 08, 2018, 06:17:00 AM
Arnold had the worst front double biceps in recent years as bodybuilder. At the1975 Mr Olympia, another lightweight version, was more impressive.

If you go by the meaning of front double biceps...then Yates 1997 takes the cake for worst .



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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 08, 2018, 07:44:49 AM
WoSHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 08, 2018, 07:47:58 AM
This is how you make a COMEBACK !......  Game over baby .   Not Levroneeee BS



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Post by: BSN on May 12, 2018, 04:39:14 AM
 :)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 19, 2018, 08:01:16 AM
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Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: benchmstr on May 19, 2018, 12:18:08 PM
Exactly , this guy tried every combo of steroid on the planet and never got over 170lbs
But always had on the most super 80’s style suits ever!

Bench
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Nether Animal on May 19, 2018, 12:49:32 PM
:)


Roger looked awesome
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Post by: JAGO on May 19, 2018, 02:28:24 PM

Roger looked awesome

I know . . .  Unreal. Much better than Mentzer.

J
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Post by: hipolito mejia on May 20, 2018, 10:02:11 AM
8)

Never seen this 1980 pic.  👍
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 20, 2018, 10:25:43 AM
 :)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 20, 2018, 10:28:01 AM
:)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 20, 2018, 10:33:13 AM
 8)
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 20, 2018, 10:34:53 AM
 :)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 20, 2018, 10:42:51 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 20, 2018, 10:47:05 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 20, 2018, 10:54:59 AM
 8)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 20, 2018, 11:22:14 AM
 ;WoSHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 20, 2018, 11:23:44 AM
 :)
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Post by: BSN on May 20, 2018, 11:33:56 AM
;WoSHHHH

Basile photo
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Post by: Montague on May 20, 2018, 12:00:33 PM
:)


Holy shit...

ND, is that a scan from your personal collection?
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 20, 2018, 12:04:32 PM

Holy shit...

ND, is that a scan from your personal collection?

I don't remember lol probably not my scans would have been cleaner  :o
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on May 21, 2018, 08:19:52 PM
 8)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on May 28, 2018, 08:20:36 PM
 ;D
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 29, 2018, 05:50:55 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Griffith on May 30, 2018, 10:07:48 AM
:)

In Arnold's Encyclopaedia, he said he told Frank Zane a joke to distract him and make him laugh and throw off his posing, he gave it as one example of how he would try to out psyche his opponents.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 05, 2018, 06:16:41 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: FREAKgeek on June 05, 2018, 12:48:57 PM
In Arnold's Encyclopaedia, he said he told Frank Zane a joke to distract him and make him laugh and throw off his posing, he gave it as one example of how he would try to out psyche his opponents.

I think he knows that, but anyway
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 05, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
In Arnold's Encyclopaedia, he said he told Frank Zane a joke to distract him and make him laugh and throw off his posing, he gave it as one example of how he would try to out psyche his opponents.


Arnold was throwing jokes and smiling on stage because backstage just about every opponent was confident they would beat him ....

(barracuda mode since day one)


Oh MrOlympia 1980..... the never ending drama .


Btw, This Year philsulin will tie the record and no one will give a flying fack


WooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: beakdoctor on June 05, 2018, 05:56:58 PM
In Arnold's Encyclopaedia, he said he told Frank Zane a joke to distract him and make him laugh and throw off his posing, he gave it as one example of how he would try to out psyche his opponents.

Arnold great bodybuilder, successful actor and politician and bullshiter par excelance'.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 05, 2018, 06:30:11 PM
:)


Arnold didn't need to distract Zane there. Zane looked tired small and way older than he really was .  
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Post by: BSN on June 06, 2018, 03:27:11 AM
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Post by: BSN on June 06, 2018, 03:30:52 AM
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 07, 2018, 07:35:18 AM
 ;D
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Post by: BSN on June 08, 2018, 12:49:27 PM
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 27, 2018, 07:23:07 AM
WooSHHHHHH
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 27, 2018, 07:25:53 AM
 :D
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Post by: BSN on June 27, 2018, 08:21:02 AM
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Post by: BSN on June 27, 2018, 08:25:44 AM
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 27, 2018, 12:42:34 PM
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 30, 2018, 04:21:47 PM
 :)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on July 09, 2018, 06:44:19 AM
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 09, 2018, 06:46:57 AM
Arnold and a very young buff  Tom Cruise ...  ( look at Arnold's waist) 



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Post by: BSN on July 09, 2018, 10:15:51 PM
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Post by: BSN on July 09, 2018, 10:16:28 PM
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Post by: Dan-O on July 09, 2018, 10:38:47 PM
Arnold and a very young buff  Tom Cruise ...  ( look at Arnold's waist) 



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=763038;image)

Not sure whether you're kidding or serious...that's not Tom Cruise, it's Bev Francis (Steve Weinberger's wife).
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Post by: Pet shop boys on July 12, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
Not sure whether you're kidding or serious...that's not Tom Cruise, it's Bev Francis (Steve Weinberger's wife).


 ;D

Btw, Frank Zane told her that she wasn't going to make it in bodybuilding

Its in a recent interview with Generation Iron



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 12, 2018, 11:16:14 AM
WooSSHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on July 12, 2018, 04:14:35 PM
Arnold had flaws...sloping shoulders, small forearms & legs, and only a 4-pack, but his arms and chest are so incredible. Just look at that huge tendon insertion in that first pic when his arm is at 90 degrees...the gap...amazing genetics like we haven't seen since.

In his prime, 70-74, Arnold had the best overall leg development in his era. For his time compared to others. His quads were huge and insanely separated. People just remember '75 when his quads were a tad light and 1980 when they were noticeably small. Who do you think had better legs than Arnold at that time?

No one claimed that Draper or Reg Park had weak legs but Arnold crushed them here. Even Sergio couldn't achieve that kind of separation.

(http://www.arnoldheight.com/articles/arnoldleglength.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/24/14/488941DE00000578-5307265-image-a-28_1516802596291.jpg)

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on July 12, 2018, 04:22:55 PM
As a piece of trivia, a recently discovered fly was named after Arnold because of it's "bulging" thighs.

"As soon as I saw those bulging legs, I knew I had to name this one after Arnold," he said in the story."

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5307265/Fly-bulging-legs-guy.html
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on July 13, 2018, 06:34:59 AM
Exactly, peak arnold everything was there and quad separation was unmatched, he still pisses over many today.
May have had sloping shoulders totally relaxed too but standing properly with good posture he was wide as hell, 1980 even shows this.

In his prime, 70-74, Arnold had the best overall leg development in his era. For his time compared to others. His quads were huge and insanely separated. People just remember '75 when his quads were a tad light and 1980 when they were noticeably small. Who do you think had better legs than Arnold at that time?

No one claimed that Draper or Reg Park had weak legs but Arnold crushed them here. Even Sergio couldn't achieve that kind of separation.

(http://www.arnoldheight.com/articles/arnoldleglength.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/24/14/488941DE00000578-5307265-image-a-28_1516802596291.jpg)


Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 13, 2018, 07:13:22 AM
Arnold had flaws...sloping shoulders, small forearms & legs, and only a 4-pack, but his arms and chest are so incredible. Just look at that huge tendon insertion in that first pic when his arm is at 90 degrees...the gap...amazing genetics like we haven't seen since.


If your'e talking about 1980 Arnold, I agree.... but overall ; Arnold won the Mr.O at age 23 and already had the biggest legs on stage , think about it ....no way that was his "flaw",  back then some said wide hips ( next to Sergio anyway ) but that was about it ....when he hit a pose his shoulders looked perfect from every angle....... people trash Arnold's legs ... but only comparing him with bodybuilders 30 -40 plus years apart ......  


However,  This is a thread about 1980



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Post by: BSN on August 02, 2018, 12:24:07 AM
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on August 26, 2018, 04:11:52 AM
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on August 26, 2018, 04:13:22 AM
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on August 26, 2018, 04:15:24 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on August 26, 2018, 04:16:52 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on August 26, 2018, 04:17:23 AM
 8)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on October 02, 2018, 01:37:31 PM
WooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: IRON CROSS on October 02, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
Arnold is Mr.Charisma of BB
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on November 03, 2018, 10:04:49 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 04, 2018, 04:44:36 AM
Zane looked amazing at the 1980 Olympia. He was the lightest he has ever competed at weighing 183lbs. They said due to him slicing his dick in that lawn chair accident he was playing catch up but he might have been the most ripped of his career.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on January 08, 2019, 08:46:20 PM
The Winnahhh ???
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Post by: Pet shop boys on January 08, 2019, 08:48:05 PM
 ;D
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on January 09, 2019, 09:31:29 AM
 8)
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Post by: Pet shop boys on January 28, 2019, 05:50:13 AM
W ;D ;D ;D ;DShhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: karasan on January 28, 2019, 06:07:38 AM
I adore Mentzer, but in above picture he looks like a computer geek who desperately tries his best to make a bodybuilder impression.
Next to 80% Arnold he seems no where as impressive as his magnificent solo shots.
Was he small boned a la Larry Scott. (Amazing muscle bellies on a smallish frame)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on January 28, 2019, 10:14:00 AM
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Post by: Pet shop boys on February 05, 2019, 08:00:33 AM
Jussup was an intense training partner during Arnold 1980 Comeback .



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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on February 05, 2019, 03:03:03 PM
Arnold and Jusup reunite.

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Post by: AbrahamG on February 05, 2019, 05:39:35 PM
Arnold and Jusup reunite.



I'll bet Jusup's beard would have played better nowadays. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on February 05, 2019, 09:01:02 PM
I adore Mentzer, but in above picture he looks like a computer geek who desperately tries his best to make a bodybuilder impression.
Next to 80% Arnold he seems no where as impressive as his magnificent solo shots.
Was he small boned a la Larry Scott. (Amazing muscle bellies on a smallish frame)

You can tell all that?

He's wearing a long sleeve baggy shirt and loose fitting pants. I much prefer when a bber dresses like a normal person and even tries not to flaunt their physique. It shows much more self-confidence and not a need for attention. I always shake my head and roll my eyes when I see bbers in the mall or grocery store in their string tanks and short tight pants. We get it. You're jacked. Good for you. Now stop looking at yourself.
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Post by: Vince B on February 05, 2019, 09:15:40 PM

You can tell all that?

He's wearing a long sleeve baggy shirt and loose fitting pants. I much prefer when a bber dresses like a normal person and even tries not to flaunt their physique. It shows much more self-confidence and not a need for attention. I always shake my head and roll my eyes when I see bbers in the mall or grocery store in their string tanks and short tight pants. We get it. You're jacked. Good for you. Now stop looking at yourself.


Why do you think they install mirrors in elevators....cuts down on the vandalism for some reason.

Good for anyone who is huge. They can do what they like as far as I am concerned re clothes and exhibiting themselves. Most bodybuilders are rather modest as a whole.

Sergio Oliva said he couldn't go to the beach because of being hounded by fans. Last big guy I saw at Bondi beach was Terry Mitsos. He had an entourage of smaller guys with him...maybe from his gym.
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Post by: Purge_WTF on February 05, 2019, 09:28:23 PM
 I heard Mentzer didn't speak to Arnold again after this.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on February 06, 2019, 04:37:11 AM

You can tell all that?

He's wearing a long sleeve baggy shirt and loose fitting pants. I much prefer when a bber dresses like a normal person and even tries not to flaunt their physique. It shows much more self-confidence and not a need for attention. I always shake my head and roll my eyes when I see bbers in the mall or grocery store in their string tanks and short tight pants. We get it. You're jacked. Good for you. Now stop looking at yourself.

Stop it.  Mentzer looks like a hobbit in that photo. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 06, 2019, 06:39:52 AM
Fans of low sets to failure routines attribute magical physique properties to Mentzer and Viator. On a side note Viator in his best ever condition used high sets for the 1982 Olympia. Mentzer was a great bodybuilder but he was legitimately beaten twice in the Universe. He was beaten by Robby and Kalman. Mentzer got 5th in the 1980 Olympia and think that placing was accurate. Even Mentzer said he could have seen Dickerson winning but had objections to Arnold winning. When I saw film clips of the contest I thought that Arnold at 85% was better than anyone else in the contest. Wish he had more time to prep. If he came in 73, 74 or 75 shape we wouldn't even have this discussion.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on February 06, 2019, 07:31:02 AM
I heard Mentzer didn't speak to Arnold again after this.


He used to do seminars trashing Arnold and Weider techniques ,principles etc ...


WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on February 06, 2019, 09:43:29 PM
Stop it.  Mentzer looks like a hobbit in that photo. 

During that era, everybody knew what Mentzer looked like with his shirt off. He didn't have to dress to show off his physique. Some people are a bit more secure than that.



Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 07, 2019, 05:26:09 AM
During that era, everybody knew what Mentzer looked like with his shirt off. He didn't have to dress to show off his physique. Some people are a bit more secure than that.






Sad that this was his last contest though ..... would have loved to remember him in a much better outing /shape ...



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on February 10, 2019, 07:11:21 PM
Here is a larger photo I previously posted here. Reedited as well.

If Ron allows higher file sizes I would post even larger photos.


Boyer Coe, Arnold, Frank Zane, Roger Walker.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on February 10, 2019, 07:45:58 PM
An IronMan cover from the 1980 Mr Olympia.

Mike looked great on his own. Looks the champ in this photo.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on February 13, 2019, 06:36:50 AM
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on February 13, 2019, 06:37:52 AM
 8) 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on February 14, 2019, 03:48:13 AM
Arnold, Dickerson, Zane

Is Dickerson beating Arnold here ?  
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheGreatOak on February 17, 2019, 05:37:55 AM
Is Dickerson beating Arnold here ?  

It's certainly close when they're standing relaxed.

Here's one flexed:
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 17, 2019, 12:55:45 PM
Arnold at 85% still wins. An 100% Mentzer is still around 5th place.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on February 17, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
It's certainly close when they're standing relaxed.

Here's one flexed:

Hate to admit it but both Zane and Dickerson have Arnold beat in the back standing relaxed. That is really the only position that Dickerson looks good in. Great back and calves.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Conker on February 17, 2019, 05:12:09 PM
Hate to admit it but both Zane and Dickerson have Arnold beat in the back standing relaxed. That is really the only position that Dickerson looks good in. Great back and calves.

you know fk all about oiled up thong men. stick to BJ wrestling. your speciality  ;)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on February 17, 2019, 05:20:22 PM
you know fk all about oiled up thong men. stick to BJ wrestling. your speciality  ;)

Look who's following me around.

So this is what your life is like. Staying up all night on GetBig waiting for me to post.

1:22 AM
Monday, February 18, 2019 (GMT)
Time in London, UK
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on February 17, 2019, 05:54:06 PM
Here is a larger photo I previously posted here. Reedited as well.

If Ron allows higher file sizes I would post even larger photos.


Boyer Coe, Arnold, Frank Zane, Roger Walker.

zane looks amazing
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 15, 2019, 05:54:49 AM
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH   TA NA KA
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 15, 2019, 05:56:54 AM
"Mentzer is coming "
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 15, 2019, 06:03:07 AM
After 5 years ... leaving the competition  behind.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 15, 2019, 06:19:07 AM
Speaking of "Mentzer is coming" :


Mike  carried on with his assessment of the 1980 Olympia. “If Arnold had been in his 1974 shape then I could have accepted his win, but on the night he was nowhere near that condition, I would have put him 5th or 6th but Weider wanted him on top and me shafted because I had been talking against his and Arnold’s ridiculous 20 sets a bodypart training routines. Joe thought it would show his training was superior to heavy duty if I lost and Arnold won. And I was not the only one shafted – Boyer Coe and Roger Walker both looked great and should have placed above Arnold.”



Frank Zane and Chris Dickerson who came third and second had not been mentioned by Mike so when asked whether he thought they should have beaten Arnold. Mike replied “Yes they should but I will qualify that by saying they should not beat big guys in shape – this is bodybuilding not ballet dancing! Zane is too small to be mr Olympia yet they gave it to him three times, even beating me in ’79. And Dickerson may have great calves but look at his arms! He’s got no biceps to speak of yet still wins shows, it just proves things are fixed.”


Source : Strength Oldschool Merchandise



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on April 15, 2019, 06:40:23 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on April 15, 2019, 06:55:27 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 15, 2019, 07:04:28 AM
8)

Great shot both would win classic physique .


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JAGO on April 15, 2019, 12:21:36 PM
Frank destroying Mentzer in both shots.

J
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: njflex on April 20, 2019, 09:41:58 AM
MENTZER  has a thick powerful looking build,pretty much not blocky ,even though criticized by arnold on his waist..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on April 21, 2019, 11:26:28 AM
MENTZER  has a thick powerful looking build,pretty much not blocky ,even though criticized by arnold on his waist..

Mike looked great in some shots on his own
Great thick arms / delts / Legs okay

Lacked any thickness in Chest & back
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 29, 2019, 07:19:23 AM
Lean dry and the BF most can only dream of .




WoooSHHHHHHHHH 1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on April 29, 2019, 05:37:54 PM
Lean dry and the BF most can only dream of .




WoooSHHHHHHHHH 1980

i like the 1980 Arnold the best. hard/lean/bit smaller
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: _bruce_ on May 01, 2019, 12:57:20 PM
Arnold trump'd Mentzer - better structure, taller and had a lot of hype going for him. His abs could have been thicker.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: 6 Reps on May 24, 2019, 07:34:41 PM
The Olympia’s, including 1980:
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on May 24, 2019, 07:37:20 PM
Exactly! he retired  in 1975 the top names back then were Oliva,Ferrigno,Katz ,Waller etc all over 240 lbs...the following years  Arnold got off the sauce, his skin was really lose for a 30 year old guy 76,77,78, specially 1979,And don't forget,by 1980 the game had changed drastically, Zane,Robinso,Dickerson,Makawi,Mentzer etc were the ones dominating  "were ripped" and under 220 lbs... So by spring 1980 not only Arnold got lean but his skin was thinner than ever!!! with striations never before seen in his prime even the split chest...... I really doubt it was the same "Formula" he applied 10 years early the early 70's.




good post - thanks
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on May 24, 2019, 08:20:45 PM
if not arnold, who then?



you logged in  ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on May 29, 2019, 04:34:00 AM
Just out of interests does anybody know what Arnold’s diet was to get so ripped for the 1980 Olympia?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 29, 2019, 06:59:10 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 29, 2019, 07:02:31 AM
Just out of interests does anybody know what Arnold’s diet was to get so ripped for the 1980 Olympia?

Everybody wants to know ....

I was hoping Arnold himself would open up about the 1980 for once and for all...


but he simply doesn't want to touch that subject

In fact ,in the updated  "bodybuilding encyclopedia " he only dedicates on single damn page to the most popular/intriguing/controversial  contest in his bodybuilding carrer.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on May 29, 2019, 12:15:05 PM
Everybody wants to know ....

I was hoping Arnold himself would open up about the 1980 for once and for all...


but he simply doesn't want to touch that subject

In fact ,in the updated  "bodybuilding encyclopedia " he only dedicates on single damn page to the most popular/intriguing/controversial  contest in his bodybuilding carrer.

It just isn't that important to him. He was governor and at one point the biggest movie star in the world. At the time of the 1980 he was starting his movie career. Bodybuilding was a hobby for him then. I don't think his heart was in it. He had youth at the time and he was training for one of his early movies. I bet he was low dosing but everyone said, damn you're 75% of your last Olympia shape. Of course my percentages are subjective bs but I still stand that at 80% of his best he was still the best bodybuilder in that contest.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 29, 2019, 02:46:04 PM
It just isn't that important to him. He was governor and at one point the biggest movie star in the world. At the time of the 1980 he was starting his movie career. Bodybuilding was a hobby for him then. I don't think his heart was in it. He had youth at the time and he was training for one of his early movies. I bet he was low dosing but everyone said, damn you're 75% of your last Olympia shape. Of course my percentages are subjective bs but I still stand that at 80% of his best he was still the best bodybuilder in that contest.


Actually is very important to him.  Is the most controversial contest in his larger than life bodybuilding career. He has talked about it to his ass kissers friends only . As almost every bodybuilder from his era thinks he didn't deserve it.  He regrets making the comeback because its perceived as the stain in his bodybuilding career.   He even bought the footage made for tv and made sure it never aired.   
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on May 29, 2019, 07:30:52 PM

Actually is very important to him.  Is the most controversial contest in his larger than life bodybuilding career. He has talked about it to his ass kissers friends only . As almost every bodybuilder from his era thinks he didn't deserve it.  He regrets making the comeback because its perceived as the stain in his bodybuilding career.   He even bought the footage made for tv and made sure it never aired.   

pretty much buried it and to never talk about it again.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Dokey111 on May 30, 2019, 07:32:19 AM

Actually is very important to him.  Is the most controversial contest in his larger than life bodybuilding career. He has talked about it to his ass kissers friends only . As almost every bodybuilder from his era thinks he didn't deserve it.  He regrets making the comeback because its perceived as the stain in his bodybuilding career.   He even bought the footage made for tv and made sure it never aired.   

so are you an ass kissers ass kisser?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: robcguns on May 30, 2019, 07:52:17 AM
;D

Destroying mentzer
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on May 30, 2019, 06:59:27 PM
Here is a larger photo I previously posted here. Reedited as well.

If Ron allows higher file sizes I would post even larger photos.


Boyer Coe, Arnold, Frank Zane, Roger Walker.

Zane - so trim - love this look
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on May 30, 2019, 07:43:00 PM
Zane - so trim - love this look

He said he weighed 183lbs. at 5'9" for that Olympia. I think it was his most ripped shape. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 31, 2019, 03:19:08 AM
so are you an ass kissers ass kisser?


Hi Arnold.    :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on May 31, 2019, 07:33:36 PM
More pics
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Taffin on May 31, 2019, 10:32:57 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=775455;image)

Classic shot.  Pics like that always make me pine for the days the 'semi-relaxed' pose meant just that, rather than the Siamese fighting fish stance we get today...  :'(

(https://i.postimg.cc/pX0F0j3Y/5029047.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 01, 2019, 06:35:11 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=775455;image)

Classic shot.  Pics like that always make me pine for the days the 'semi-relaxed' pose meant just that, rather than the Siamese fighting fish stance we get today...  :'(

(https://i.postimg.cc/pX0F0j3Y/5029047.jpg)


good point
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 02, 2019, 02:08:03 AM
John Balik photos
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 02, 2019, 10:47:42 AM
John Balik photos


Nice .


WooSHHHHHHHH TaNaKa
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 03, 2019, 06:51:26 AM
WoooSHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Matt on June 05, 2019, 02:41:20 AM
He said he weighed 183lbs. at 5'9" for that Olympia. I think it was his most ripped shape. 

Yep. When I met him at the 2013 Arnold, he told me his heaviest contest weight was 205-lb, but he didn't like his look.

To that I say - he looked awesome at that weight too!

My 2013 interview with him is on YouTube. But he told me about his heaviest weight off camera. He was very honest about his genetic potential.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on June 05, 2019, 03:08:24 PM
Yep. When I met him at the 2013 Arnold, he told me his heaviest contest weight was 205-lb, but he didn't like his look.

To that I say - he looked awesome at that weight too!

My 2013 interview with him is on YouTube. But he told me about his heaviest weight off camera. He was very honest about his genetic potential.

205lbs with his very small light bone structure & condition
Plus very small waist Is a Damn Good amount of Muscle Tissue to Carry.
Frank had a Great Physique.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 05, 2019, 04:11:05 PM
205lbs with his very small light bone structure & condition
Plus very small waist Is a Damn Good amount of Muscle Tissue to Carry.
Frank had a Great Physique.

great poser, look how his hips are placed in the front double bicep shot
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 06, 2019, 07:52:13 PM
More pics
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: IRON CROSS on June 06, 2019, 08:30:53 PM
More pics

John it's Roger Walker, not Roy Walker  ;)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 07, 2019, 02:06:59 AM
John it's Roger Walker, not Roy Walker  ;)

It was Roy, Walker, Arnold, Boyer
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: IRON CROSS on June 07, 2019, 02:49:48 PM
It was Roy, Walker, Arnold, Boyer

Roy CALLENDER , A U getting old John  :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JAGO on June 07, 2019, 04:32:28 PM
Never noticed how narrow Roy C. was. It terms of sheer Herculean appearance, Roger by a mile. I would have gone ( from pics ) Frank, Arnold, Roger, Chris, Boyer, Mentzer and Roy.

J
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on June 07, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
Never noticed how narrow Roy C. was. It terms of sheer Herculean appearance, Roger by a mile. I would have gone ( from pics ) Frank, Arnold, Roger, Chris, Boyer, Mentzer and Roy.

J

Jeez you’ve got Mike in 6th Place !!
If he was alive he’d organise a boycott of you.

 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 08, 2019, 09:20:07 PM
Roy CALLENDER , A U getting old John  :)

I labeled the photo Roy, Walker, Arnold, I didn't call Callender Roy Walker.
Yes, I'm getting older every day. I'm pretty sure we all are.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheGreatOak on June 08, 2019, 09:48:47 PM
Oak.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 09, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
Training 1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 10, 2019, 07:18:39 AM
WooSHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 10, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 10, 2019, 07:32:37 AM
I've seen many classic black and white photos (doctored) in full color now ...................Can someone make this a color pic ?



WooSHHHHHHHH  THANKs
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheGreatOak on June 21, 2019, 02:52:23 AM
The caption says in preparation for Conan but appears to be in Olympia shape. The very first scenes of Conan were filmed in late 1980, so it's probably a combination of both.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 22, 2019, 07:13:04 AM
I've seen many classic black and white photos (doctored) in full color now ...................Can someone make this a color pic ?



WooSHHHHHHHH  THANKs


he looks like the Terminator there  ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 23, 2019, 02:22:44 AM
1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheGreatOak on June 23, 2019, 04:27:47 AM
I read somewhere that Arnold possibly only weighed about 213-218lbs for this contest. It may have come from Arnold himself.

Remember, he was 225 in 1975, so he certainly wasn't over that here, at a very slightly lower muscle size and arguably more defined.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Charlys69 on June 24, 2019, 05:29:14 AM
the look of the "Bodys" from the late 60´s and also the 70´s" was not the same one like in the 80´s. The Athletes where getting mor and more ripped and detailed with every year. In the Mid 80´s Athletes like Rich Gaspari brought a new look onstage (vascular, Deep cuts, visible Skin, veins pumping more out....). The Nutrition of the Athletes changed a lot in this time, also the new medications played a role. But the look of the 70,s Champs where "softer" but great….small waistline, big chest, good arms. in the 80´s the legs of Tom Platz also set a new Standard, or the back of Lee Haney.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 24, 2019, 10:04:52 AM
the look of the "Bodys" from the late 60´s and also the 70´s" was not the same one like in the 80´s. The Athletes where getting mor and more ripped and detailed with every year. In the Mid 80´s Athletes like Rich Gaspari brought a new look onstage (vascular, Deep cuts, visible Skin, veins pumping more out....). The Nutrition of the Athletes changed a lot in this time, also the new medications played a role. But the look of the 70,s Champs where "softer" but great….small waistline, big chest, good arms. in the 80´s the legs of Tom Platz also set a new Standard, or the back of Lee Haney.

That was one of the main criticisms of Arnold winning the 1980 Olympia after only (reportedly) 8 weeks of serious training. Bill Pearl said in the movie "The Comeback" that the sport had progressed in the last five years since Arnold's retirement in 1975 and, if he could win the Olympia after only 2 months of training, that meant that the sport had not progressed. The next year, it was even more evident how much the sport had changed when Franco tried to come back in 1981. His upper body looked great but his left leg was out of proportion due to the injury. The leg development of the competitors in 1981 had drastically changed since the 1970's. Now you had guys like Tom Platz, Danny Padilla, Roy Callender, Chris Dickerson as well as Casey Viator, Mentzer and others who had fantastic legs.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheShape. on June 24, 2019, 02:20:22 PM
I've seen many classic black and white photos (doctored) in full color now ...................Can someone make this a color pic ?



WooSHHHHHHHH  THANKs

That is still my all time favorite Arnold pic, he’s not in his prime but he looked damn good relaxed.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 24, 2019, 08:25:06 PM
That was one of the main criticisms of Arnold winning the 1980 Olympia after only (reportedly) 8 weeks of serious training. Bill Pearl said in the movie "The Comeback" that the sport had progressed in the last five years since Arnold's retirement in 1975 and, if he could win the Olympia after only 2 months of training, that meant that the sport had not progressed. The next year, it was even more evident how much the sport had changed when Franco tried to come back in 1981. His upper body looked great but his left leg was out of proportion due to the injury. The leg development of the competitors in 1981 had drastically changed since the 1970's. Now you had guys like Tom Platz, Danny Padilla, Roy Callender, Chris Dickerson as well as Casey Viator, Mentzer and others who had fantastic legs.

good post - good insight
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on June 25, 2019, 12:44:52 AM
That was one of the main criticisms of Arnold winning the 1980 Olympia after only (reportedly) 8 weeks of serious training. Bill Pearl said in the movie "The Comeback" that the sport had progressed in the last five years since Arnold's retirement in 1975 and, if he could win the Olympia after only 2 months of training, that meant that the sport had not progressed. The next year, it was even more evident how much the sport had changed when Franco tried to come back in 1981. His upper body looked great but his left leg was out of proportion due to the injury. The leg development of the competitors in 1981 had drastically changed since the 1970's. Now you had guys like Tom Platz, Danny Padilla, Roy Callender, Chris Dickerson as well as Casey Viator, Mentzer and others who had fantastic legs.


Bill Pearl clearly Bitter & jealous There
So the Sport didn’t Progress in The years Between his Universe Wins  ::)
Or He’d Conveniently Forgot about Those Gaps.
1953 Am
1956 pro
1961 pro
1967 pro
1971 pro
“so the sport of Bodybuilding has literally stood still”
Fuck off Bill.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 25, 2019, 11:09:25 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: VladimirVersic on June 25, 2019, 11:14:48 AM
Annie knew he has to solidify his legacy. And be as lean and shreddded as possible as to accommodate for the new era. Where lean was not enough to win. Great look all around.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 25, 2019, 03:36:30 PM
Annie knew he has to solidify his legacy. And be as lean and shreddded as possible as to accommodate for the new era. Where lean was not enough to win. Great look all around.

even today - conditioning always trumps everything
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 25, 2019, 09:18:41 PM
1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hazbin on June 26, 2019, 01:27:48 AM
1980

i remember that pic. the writer claims Arnold can't help but cheat by flexing his calf
then, it said 'note the perfect posture on Zane'
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 06:24:59 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 06:35:05 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 06:43:52 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 26, 2019, 06:46:19 AM
1980


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=776313;image)


Frank has to be 175 lbs standing there .




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 06:46:52 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 26, 2019, 06:48:20 AM
8)


This thread is alive and kicking   thanks !



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 06:54:44 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 07:00:39 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 07:03:36 AM

This thread is alive and kicking   thanks !



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 07:26:45 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: karasan on June 26, 2019, 09:08:10 AM
Bill Pearl's logic is vastly flawed, he suggests that if Arnold could win after 5 years absence, sports must be regressed sounds logical but not true.
Arnold and Sergio was so ahead of their time, and Arnold was still young at age 33.
Same flawed logic suggests, Arnold shouldn't won with his %70 percent form...
Same applies, he was way ahead of competition.
His height and broad frame/depth is second to none.
Frank Zane had amazing square shoulders and beautiful waistline but next to Arnold he was so slim, light in structure.
Tinerino and Roger Walker came close in width but they had thicker waistline and larger hips.
Mike Mentzer had amazing deltoids but mediocre frame.
It is amazing how slim Arnold seems when he stops juicing but I really believe he has broad shoulders and large bones.
Maybe his long limbs gives illusion of slim frame.
Wonder what was Arnold's reach and shoulder span.
It is amazing no magazine mentioned those stats
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 26, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
1975 Arnold.........
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hazbin on June 26, 2019, 10:29:00 AM
1975 Arnold.........

1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 26, 2019, 06:07:39 PM
best thread currently on GB :)

that Zane photo - his conditioning and flow  ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheGreatOak on June 26, 2019, 09:19:05 PM
1975 Arnold.........

Great comparison! Arnold's 1975 form is clearly a much improved and dominating force in that lineup.

Arnold 1980 held his own but the above comparison really shows the difference betw.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hazbin on June 26, 2019, 10:51:51 PM
Great comparison! Arnold's 1975 form is clearly a much improved and dominating force in that lineup.

Arnold 1980 held his own but the above comparison really shows the difference betw.

those pics are from 1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheGreatOak on June 26, 2019, 11:39:56 PM
those pics are from 1980

Look closely - it's a comparison of Arnie from 1975 with the 1980 lineup.  8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: _bruce_ on June 27, 2019, 12:24:50 AM
His 1975 form would have been more fitting in the 1980s line up.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on June 27, 2019, 05:02:21 AM
Arnold Wins either Way
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Post by: hipolito mejia on June 28, 2019, 10:37:51 AM
Arnold Wins either Way

This. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on June 28, 2019, 04:46:21 PM
Arnold and Mentzer
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Post by: Matt on June 28, 2019, 09:41:24 PM
;D

Did Jusup Wilkosz use speed?

Woooooooossshhhhh.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheGreatOak on June 29, 2019, 01:41:42 AM
Arnold and Mentzer

Arnold probably marks this victory as his greatest. Not to discount guys like Sergio, Franco or Big Lou... but this was his toughest competition ever, by a very long way. Almost everyone had varying strength's which compared well, even against Arnold's signature poses. At first glance, Arnold isn't necessarily the clear winner. Only through 50 pages of photos and discussion are we to see that, actually, Arnie looked pretty darn good and even though his thighs were a bit down, they still held up well in 1980.

If you'll notice looking at pictures of Arnold's office, he proudly has 1980 Mr. Olympia photos plastered all over. Not to mention, they're all over the Pumping Iron cover. Arnold is clearly proud of this contest and rightfully so. It's arguably his best ever conditioning along with 1973, and he put up a fight good enough to earn the win.
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 29, 2019, 10:20:53 AM
 8)
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Post by: njflex on June 29, 2019, 10:24:30 AM
8)
SICK RDB
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 29, 2019, 10:28:12 AM
 8)
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Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 29, 2019, 10:39:09 AM
 8)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 29, 2019, 07:30:35 PM
starvation

get big, be full, right PEDs and then starve... it fucking works -  :o


works really well
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on July 24, 2019, 07:00:31 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JAGO on July 24, 2019, 10:14:19 AM

Frank has to be 175 lbs standing there .




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I thought I read somewhere he was 173??? Don't quote me on that.

J
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 24, 2019, 12:31:57 PM
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 24, 2019, 12:34:27 PM
I thought I read somewhere he was 173??? Don't quote me on that.

J


Woshh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 25, 2019, 06:36:46 AM
Arnold ...... "who is the real defending champ here ?"




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 25, 2019, 06:38:11 AM
"you do realize that everybody and their mothers are looking at my 20" calves right now  ;D



 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on July 25, 2019, 07:09:14 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Tarantula157 on July 25, 2019, 04:16:01 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on July 25, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Tarantula157 on July 25, 2019, 04:24:44 PM
 :)
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: Nomad on July 25, 2019, 06:04:42 PM
I was thinking about this the other day...I don't think I've ever seen a pic of Arnold with a bloated face from all the dbol he took. Was he eating super clean all the time?

Maybe he just said he loved dbol but barely touched it.
Title: Re: What drugs was Arnold on to be this lean ?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on July 25, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
love this thread
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheGreatOak on July 25, 2019, 07:08:37 PM
:)

Great comparisons, everyone.

For arguments sake, let's say Arnold's upper legs were a little smaller than Mentzer, Dickerson, Coe and perhaps a little less hard (on the day of the contest) than Zane. If we want to say that, we can also say that Arnold's upper body was better than Mentzer, Dickerson, Coe and Zane, by around the same margin that his upper legs may have been worse.

If that's the case, we still come to the conclusion that he was as good - at the very least - as any of the top five. There can't be five equal winners, though. Something has to separate Arnold from the rest. In my opinion, that is his presentation and winning more poses than he loses, based on the many different muscles of the upper body than the lower. Just an opinion, though.

This contest is controversial for different reasons but a large part is because of how close it was. The photos and video speak for themselves. I don't know what Boyer Coe was watching but from everything that's been posted here in all of these pages, Arnold is just as good as anyone there.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Tarantula157 on July 26, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
Great comparisons, everyone.

For arguments sake, let's say Arnold's upper legs were a little smaller than Mentzer, Dickerson, Coe and perhaps a little less hard (on the day of the contest) than Zane. If we want to say that, we can also say that Arnold's upper body was better than Mentzer, Dickerson, Coe and Zane, by around the same margin that his upper legs may have been worse.

If that's the case, we still come to the conclusion that he was as good - at the very least - as any of the top five. There can't be five equal winners, though. Something has to separate Arnold from the rest. In my opinion, that is his presentation and winning more poses than he loses, based on the many different muscles of the upper body than the lower. Just an opinion, though.

This contest is controversial for different reasons but a large part is because of how close it was. The photos and video speak for themselves. I don't know what Boyer Coe was watching but from everything that's been posted here in all of these pages, Arnold is just as good as anyone there.


Boyer had great arms but weak shoulders and "turtle shell" back,wide waist with weird abs. In 1970 Arnold beat him in both NABBA Mr.Universe and AAU Mr.World.Boyer avoided Arnold at his peak by not competing in IFBB until 1976 when Arnold was already retired. He was unable to go past Columby and Zane to win the Olympia and finally in 1980 Arnold beat him in IFBB.So he beat him in all 3 major federations NABBA,AAU and IFBB. Different judges-same result. The problem wasn't in the judges.Boyer should just accept the fact he was not in Arnold's league. He never managed to beat Zane let alone Arnold.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on July 27, 2019, 09:06:15 PM
Arnold, Mentzer, Zane and Tinerino
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on July 27, 2019, 09:28:31 PM
Arnold, Mentzer, Zane and Tinerino

I have always maintained that Arnold was in first with either Zane or Mentzer in second/third.  That fucking buttslut Dickerson should NEVER have been allowed on stage let alone in second.  There's an example of "favoritism" if ever there were one.  Pointy elbowed, Curious George eared, dinky armed, puny chested bottom boy.  Fuck That Noise.

And just so people here know it's me, Mentzer should've been a fucking man and come back with a vengeance just like Arnold did after losing to Zane in (?) '68.  .  People can choose to be better or bitter.  He pussed out and chose the latter.  A bitter whiner.

What a fucking shame.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 29, 2019, 10:49:59 AM
CBS-TV paid good money in advance to broadcast the Mr. Olympia for three years (1979, 80 and 81). I don't think steroid use had anything to do with the reason they didn't air it. If you listen to the Boyer Coe interview I did on BodybuildingLegendsShow. com, he says that the producer from CBS told him they couldn't air it because it was so obvious, even to someone with no bodybuilding knowledge, that Arnold didn't deserve to win. And then there was the booing when Arnold was announced the winner. ESPN was airing lots of bodybuilding competitions in the 1990's so it had nothing to do with drug use. In fact, I don't think the general public and the media really became aware of steroid use until Ben Johnson failed the drug test at the 1988 Olympics in South Korea.
If Arnold was the clear winner, why were people booing when he was announced first place? Why did CBS television refuse to air the footage and then refuse to even go to the 1981 contest (even though they willingly paid the money they were contractually bound to pay)? Why was Sixty Minutes planning to run an investigation into the 1980 Olympia and air it on their show? I agree that Arnold does look like the right winner judging by the photos and the videos from the contest. However, it's always a different story when you see the contest in person compared to photos and video. I was at the 1977, 1978, 1979 and 1981 Olympias so I can give a good opinion on who deserved what in those shows because I witnessed it live. Most of us who are commenting on the 1980 Mr. Olympia were not there in person and many were not even born when the contest took place. If Arnold really was a clear cut winner, there would not have been such controversy and so many other people saying he didn't deserve to win it. It wasn't just because he wasn't at the same level from when he competed in the '70's. There must be more to it than that. Otherwise, how do you explain the booing, the non TV coverage and all this controversy almost 40 years later?

I actually think that if the contest was that controversial and it was clear Arnold was gifted more reason to air it , as controversy always bring more ratings and people's reactions, complaining throwing their two cents etc , rather than everyone agreeing Arnold won it fair and square ……...Probably Boyer says that was the reason to make the discussion even less debatable as they all claim it was so obvious (in that particular footage ) anyways .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on July 30, 2019, 03:25:47 AM
Arnold, Mentzer, Zane and Tinerino

Tinerino looking better than Zane ..... How did he place ?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on July 30, 2019, 06:12:17 AM
Tinerino looking better than Zane ..... How did he place ?

8th, he looked great from the front but weak from the back.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 30, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
8th, he looked great from the front but weak from the back.

And From the back Dickerson was unbeatable , yet Arnold won  ...this is why the 1980 is controversial in so many levels .

Good thing the Mr.O started to be won from the back from 1983 on  ;)



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 30, 2019, 07:48:02 AM
Most of Dickerson photos from the 1980 weren't published ...maybe there was a reason ?   although I heard Dickerson was happy to be runner up ( at the time ) while the entire line up had him beating Arnold .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 30, 2019, 07:51:05 AM
Some people had the top 6 as followed :

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on July 31, 2019, 02:05:14 AM
Coe, Arnold, Zane
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on July 31, 2019, 04:20:55 AM
Coe, Arnold, Zane

Arnold beating both. Those trade mark poses of his are hard to beat.   
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on July 31, 2019, 12:42:35 PM
Most of Dickerson photos from the 1980 weren't published ...maybe there was a reason ?   although I heard Dickerson was happy to be runner up ( at the time ) while the entire line up had him beating Arnold .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH


You’re probably right they weren’t published for a reason
Judging by what I’ve read about him & been said on here
The Pics of him
Are Likely to Have a Dick up his arse or in his mouth
Or Both at same Time
The Dirty Chimp Looking Queer.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on July 31, 2019, 08:27:38 PM
John Balik photo of the 1980 Mr. Olympia posedown
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on August 01, 2019, 05:54:46 AM

You’re probably right they weren’t published for a reason
Judging by what I’ve read about him & been said on here
The Pics of him
Are Likely to Have a Dick up his arse or in his mouth
Or Both at same Time
The Dirty Chimp Looking Queer.


I doubt the judges of the most prestigious bodybuilding contest in the world; MR.Olympia in 1980 were judging Chris' physique based on the type of magazines you've been reading  .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH  can I get a napkin now ?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on August 01, 2019, 05:59:39 AM

I doubt the judges of the most prestigious bodybuilding contest in the world; MR.Olympia in 1980 were judging Chris' physique based on the type of magazines you've been reading  .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH  can I get a napkin now ?


If you say so - Go back to your fantasy

And my post was in reply to few pics of him being available back then
Not about the Judges judging him.
You let your fantasy get the Better of you.

Try and Keep up.

HTH.

 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Primemuscle on August 01, 2019, 12:59:30 PM

You’re probably right they weren’t published for a reason
Judging by what I’ve read about him & been said on here
The Pics of him
Are Likely to Have a Dick up his arse or in his mouth
Or Both at same Time
The Dirty Chimp Looking Queer.

-Not sure about pornographic photos/videos as you suggest. Chris Dickerson did "beefcake" and posed nude on occasion. He was the first African-American AAU Mr. America, the first openly gay winner of the IFBB Mr. Olympia contest. -Trained with Bill Pearl. His bodybuilding competition career is nearly 30 years long and includes about 60 title wins. He is 79 years old.

2015 Video



Early beefcake photo.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/af/7c/93af7c6420dc957980585cbba6596061.jpg)

Mr. America winner 1970
(https://ubuntubiographyproject.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/dickerson-chris-2017.jpg)

Amateur Mr. Universe winner 1973
(https://www.gmv.com.au/images/All%20Bodybuilder%20Photos/V-100PIC1.jpg)


1982 Mr. Olympia
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/10/6d/5c/106d5c5df00583926b0f480c16811e9c.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on August 01, 2019, 01:23:59 PM
-Not sure about pornographic photos/videos as you suggest. Chris Dickerson did "beefcake" and posed nude on occasion. He was the first African-American AAU Mr. America, the first openly gay winner of the IFBB Mr. Olympia contest. -Trained with Bill Pearl. His bodybuilding competition career is nearly 30 years long and includes about 60 title wins. He is 79 years old.

2015 Video



Early beefcake photo.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/af/7c/93af7c6420dc957980585cbba6596061.jpg)

Mr. America winner 1970
(https://ubuntubiographyproject.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/dickerson-chris-2017.jpg)

Amateur Mr. Universe winner 1973
(https://www.gmv.com.au/images/All%20Bodybuilder%20Photos/V-100PIC1.jpg)


1982 Mr. Olympia
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/10/6d/5c/106d5c5df00583926b0f480c16811e9c.jpg)


Awful Physique in my opinion
1st Black Mr America  ::)  That is Total Insult to the countless number of other Black
Bodybuilders With Far Better Physiques Who Never Won.

Boyer Coe in the Pic of both of them is Way Ahead of Monkey Face Dickerson
Physique wise.

And All better than him in the last picture.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Henda on August 01, 2019, 01:30:13 PM
Dickerson is fucking disgusting and should have been been smashed over the back with a fence post repeatedly till the post eventually snapped
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on August 01, 2019, 02:57:56 PM
Dickerson is fucking disgusting and should have been been smashed over the back with a fence post repeatedly till the post eventually snapped

True - only that’s a waste of a perfectly good fence post
Put in the “iron man cage” and strung up & left to Rot
At least the birds & flies would’ve something to eat.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on August 02, 2019, 08:36:13 PM
Arnold and Mentzer rear lat spread
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on August 03, 2019, 09:54:08 AM
It’s Amazing that Arnold with only 2-3mnths training can compete and even look
Better in most shots Than all the Others That had been training consistently for
Years & a year at least specifically for the 80 Olympia
No wonder there were so many busted egos & sore losers.

Instead of whining & bitching about Arnold winning, why not Question themselves
As to why they weren’t Far Far Ahead of Him.
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Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 09, 2019, 12:40:24 PM
 :)
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Post by: Natural_O on August 10, 2019, 03:11:16 AM
Arnold's victory speech
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on August 10, 2019, 05:34:26 AM
It’s Amazing that Arnold with only 2-3mnths training can compete and even look
Better in most shots Than all the Others That had been training consistently for
Years & a year at least specifically for the 80 Olympia
No wonder there were so many busted egos & sore losers.

Instead of whining & bitching about Arnold winning, why not Question themselves
As to why they weren’t Far Far Ahead of Him.

Agreed, brother.  This is where I think, not believe, that true genetics come into play.  Not only in response to drug protocols but also as they relate to how each of us is put together.  Muscle shape, length, recovery ability (enhanced or not) and more.  Arnold was "Arnold".  Better than everyone on that stage and I have no doubt that if he were twenty-one again, he would destroy the dais with ease.

As with Steve Reeves before him, there is only one Arnold.  I honestly think Haney, Coleman, Yates, et al just plain suck in comparison.  No one is better than Reeves when it comes to natural and overall, there is absolutely no one better on drugs than Arnold.  And I can also state that Arnold is better than Reeves overall.

But lord-a-mighty... Chris Dickerson is fuckin' awful.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on August 10, 2019, 07:15:56 AM
Agreed, brother.  This is where I think, not believe, that true genetics come into play.  Not only in response to drug protocols but also as they relate to how each of us is put together.  Muscle shape, length, recovery ability (enhanced or not) and more.  Arnold was "Arnold".  Better than everyone on that stage and I have no doubt that if he were twenty-one again, he would destroy the dais with ease.

As with Steve Reeves before him, there is only one Arnold.  I honestly think Haney, Coleman, Yates, et al just plain suck in comparison.  No one is better than Reeves when it comes to natural and overall, there is absolutely no one better on drugs than Arnold.  And I can also state that Arnold is better than Reeves overall.

But lord-a-mighty... Chris Dickerson is fuckin' awful.


You certainly make some good points
I also believe if Arnold was in his Twenties and competing Now
Or In any Era He would Still of Emerged as The Best.

All Those Bitching & Whinning about Arnold Winning Never address the Fact
The others had 1/2/3 plus years of devoted training & Really didn’t look as good
Or Any Better compared to his 2/3 months.
Instead of Complaining About Arnold they should question how the others weren’t in
A completely different league with all their preparation time.

As For ButtFuck DickupHisArseASon The Less Said the Better.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on August 10, 2019, 01:22:23 PM
Arnold at 80% was better than them all at their 100%. He was busy getting into the movie bushiness that made him set for life. He had nothing to prove in bodybuilding in 1980.  Two months of training and he beat the world again. I do wish he showed up in his 75 or 74 condition. He would have been declared the winner just walking on stage.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on August 10, 2019, 03:15:29 PM
good video recap on 1980 Mr. O



Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: IRON CROSS on August 10, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
Reminder: regarding to mr.safety fat & bunch of local looser's , C.Dickerson was Mr.Olympia 1980 & they presented him with Paul Grahams recycled plastic trophy.

 :D


(  ;) every 1 who was selling Mr.Olympia tickets , was awarded with 1 of those plastic trophies)

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on August 12, 2019, 02:06:33 AM
Dickerson at his best in 1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: fredrollon on August 12, 2019, 02:26:38 AM
Yeah, not the biggest fan of Chris,but he pretty much had it all right there.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 13, 2019, 03:34:06 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on August 13, 2019, 08:02:49 PM
Rear Double Biceps - Mentzer, Callender, Walker, Arnold, Coe
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JAGO on August 14, 2019, 02:01:55 AM
I have always maintained that Arnold was in first with either Zane or Mentzer in second/third.  That fucking buttslut Dickerson should NEVER have been allowed on stage let alone in second.  There's an example of "favoritism" if ever there were one.  Pointy elbowed, Curious George eared, dinky armed, puny chested bottom boy.  Fuck That Noise.

And just so people here know it's me, Mentzer should've been a fucking man and come back with a vengeance just like Arnold did after losing to Zane in (?) '68.  .  People can choose to be better or bitter.  He pussed out and chose the latter.  A bitter whiner.

What a fucking shame.

I agree. Dickerson’s torn pec, biceps and lower abs should have knocked him out of contention from the prejudging assessment of his physique

J
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on August 14, 2019, 04:43:24 AM
Arnold and Mentzer rear lat spread


Damn Arnold was dry in 1980.   Imagine that contest in HQ images /videos. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldschoolfan on August 14, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
I have always maintained that Arnold was in first with either Zane or Mentzer in second/third.  That fucking buttslut Dickerson should NEVER have been allowed on stage let alone in second.  There's an example of "favoritism" if ever there were one.  Pointy elbowed, Curious George eared, dinky armed, puny chested bottom boy.  Fuck That Noise.

And just so people here know it's me, Mentzer should've been a fucking man and come back with a vengeance just like Arnold did after losing to Zane in (?) '68.  .  People can choose to be better or bitter.  He pussed out and chose the latter.  A bitter whiner.

What a fucking shame.

great quote mr scott.   mr scott, i talked to casey viator a few times way back in 03,  casey was friends with both arnold and mike, he said at one time they were pretty good friends, in fact arnold thought mike was a great body builder,  casey told me and i quote " arnolds pre contest training would kill most people"      
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on August 14, 2019, 08:53:47 PM
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on August 14, 2019, 09:28:03 PM
good pics
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on August 15, 2019, 12:23:26 AM
   Imagine that contest in HQ images /videos. 

I took 300 b&w photos at the judging and many colour slides at the night comp.

I did have some 8 X 10 photos I printed so here is one that I used Gigapixel AI to enlarge. Then I reduced it to fit on Getbig. Ron could help by increasing the file size for photos here.

 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on August 15, 2019, 03:55:15 AM
I took 300 b&w photos at the judging and many colour slides at the night comp.

I did have some 8 X 10 photos I printed so here is one that I used Gigapixel AI to enlarge. Then I reduced it to fit on Getbig. Ron could help by increasing the file size for photos here.

 

Great photo !
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on August 15, 2019, 06:02:52 AM
Boyer, Arnold and Frank FDB.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on August 15, 2019, 06:11:42 AM
To all those who weren't at the 1980 Olympia but figure they know who should have won etc., please look at this photo of the first call out at the judging.

Look at the expression on Arnold's face! It clearly shows a guy who felt - at that moment - that he made a big mistake entering that year. When Arnold was called out

afterwards his attitude changed to one of confidence. The rest is history.

In the lineup are Roger, Mike, Frank and Dennis. Danny Padilla probably had the best all round physique in the contest but was never compared in the call outs.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: sculpture on August 15, 2019, 06:50:58 AM
I wonder why he wasn't included in the first call out.

Surely the top guys get called first
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: LanceD on August 15, 2019, 07:06:48 AM
Roger was incredible onstage...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on August 15, 2019, 07:39:44 AM
To all those who weren't at the 1980 Olympia but figure they know who should have won etc., please look at this photo of the first call out at the judging.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=777896;image)
In the lineup are Roger, Mike, Frank and Dennis. Danny Padilla probably had the best all round physique in the contest but was never compared in the call outs.

No a single bubble gut , not a single bald headed .

Talk about evolution .  They all look like the ideal physique .



woooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on August 15, 2019, 10:48:47 AM
Thought Danny was off that contest but looking at the above picture he looks great.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on August 15, 2019, 03:20:54 PM
No a single bubble gut , not a single bald headed .

Talk about evolution .  They all look like the ideal physique .



woooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

lol
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Randomum on August 15, 2019, 03:36:47 PM
Thought Danny was off that contest but looking at the above picture he looks great.

The best upper body in the show, but the legs were weak compared to the others.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on August 15, 2019, 04:26:08 PM
To all those who weren't at the 1980 Olympia but figure they know who should have won etc., please look at this photo of the first call out at the judging.

Look at the expression on Arnold's face! It clearly shows a guy who felt - at that moment - that he made a big mistake entering that year. When Arnold was called out

afterwards his attitude changed to one of confidence. The rest is history.

In the lineup are Roger, Mike, Frank and Dennis. Danny Padilla probably had the best all round physique in the contest but was never compared in the call outs.

You’re reading a lot into Arnold’s facial expression from a split second photo.
So What do The Faces of the Other Competitors Say ??
Looks like they’re all thinking the same as Arnold Then.

You were there that day - Who did you have in the Top 6 places
And what order ??
This should be interesting from someone how was Right there.
 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on August 15, 2019, 07:10:03 PM
The best upper body in the show, but the legs were weak compared to the others.

His legs were never weak. Not at the beginning of his career or his last show.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on August 15, 2019, 08:46:05 PM
Boyer, Arnold and Frank FDB.

good pics. I prefer a thinner/trimmer bber so I will take zane here (his waist is tiny) notice his posing trunks are a little lower too
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on August 17, 2019, 01:30:26 PM
Arnold, Walker, Mentzer
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: karasan on August 17, 2019, 11:01:55 PM
Arnold, Walker, Mentzer
I believe Arnold held his own in that contest, but this picture shows how lacking his back thickness, Ahmet Enunlu critized Mentzer for lack of back detail, but here Arnold is looking even worse, or is he just trying to spread his back by pushing his shoulder blades?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 25, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on August 25, 2019, 06:11:40 PM
:)


Ahhh Didums Mike & Like The Philosophicall & intellectual Giant you tried so
Hard to Portray Yourself as You cried & cried, Never Competed Again
And Went into Mental Breakdown Mode.

Great just because You Didn’t Win.   ::) ::)

Yes like I’m going to listen to anything you got to say mike.
 ;D



Yeah I’m being deliberately hard on Mike But FFS you got beat / didn’t place where
You thought you should - Should’ve Just took it & gone back trained & come back
Bigger & Better.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on August 26, 2019, 07:24:11 AM
Arnold onstage
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 26, 2019, 02:40:57 PM
Arnold onstage

Great shot !
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 01, 2019, 12:46:29 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 07, 2019, 04:39:50 AM
Mike's prediction in 1975  ::) How'd that work out for you Mike?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on September 07, 2019, 09:37:06 AM
Mike's prediction in 1975  ::) How'd that work out for you Mike?

turned into meth abuse and anger :/


Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on September 09, 2019, 06:55:46 AM



Great stories and details of 1980 Mr.O with fellow Ironager John Hansen.



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: wes on September 09, 2019, 08:00:11 AM
Great interview.......thanks !! 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: beakdoctor on September 10, 2019, 11:18:50 AM
Great interview.......thanks !! 

X2

That was an entertaining interview.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 23, 2019, 04:07:19 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 23, 2019, 05:09:22 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 24, 2019, 04:45:54 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 25, 2019, 09:53:01 PM
mm ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 25, 2019, 09:55:26 PM
 :) ;)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 25, 2019, 09:58:07 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 25, 2019, 10:00:52 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 25, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: njflex on September 26, 2019, 05:31:06 AM
:o
DAMN...TIE INS ALL IN PLACE THATS WHEN YOUR LEAN...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: karasan on September 26, 2019, 11:46:24 AM
:o
Arnold was 80 percent form in 80 Olympia but his delts were his all time best and abs were near top form also.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 26, 2019, 03:57:46 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 27, 2019, 06:34:54 AM
relax ;)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 27, 2019, 06:36:14 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 02, 2019, 04:09:59 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: sculpture on October 03, 2019, 01:22:24 PM
:)

what poise from Zane.

God like
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 03, 2019, 05:39:27 PM
So much for anyone not knowing Arnold would be entering the Olympia in 1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 03, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
So much for anyone not knowing Arnold would be entering the Olympia in 1980


Most people would read those articles as hype and nothing more ,remember,  Arnold was retired for 5 years  no reason to believe he was to make a comeback and show up at last minute .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH  Barracuda mode
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on October 04, 2019, 01:39:51 AM

Most people would read those articles as hype and nothing more ,remember,  Arnold was retired for 5 years  no reason to believe he was to make a comeback and show up at last minute .


True - Then how many times did Bill Pearl retire/ leave 4/5 year gaps between competing
Also Arnold wasn’t competing against most people - The Bodybuilding Grapevine back then
Was very close knit Most other Competitors would’ve known he intended to compete.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 04, 2019, 07:42:34 AM
True - Then how many times did Bill Pearl retire/ leave 4/5 year gaps between competing
Also Arnold wasn’t competing against most people - The Bodybuilding Grapevine back then
Was very close knit Most other Competitors would’ve known he intended to compete.


Pearl never won the mr.O , wasn't even  the guy to look for there anyways  ....Plus Arnold left in 75 as the best ever wanting to move on to bigger and better things (Hollywood)  he even lost all his muscles in his late 20's to look more Appealing in show business, he was way above the BB industry  ...  no way you could see coming back to competitive BB .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  1980 .
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 04, 2019, 07:48:46 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 04, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
 :) ;)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 04, 2019, 08:48:24 AM
 :D ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 04, 2019, 08:49:41 AM
delts :o
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 04, 2019, 12:47:35 PM
True - Then how many times did Bill Pearl retire/ leave 4/5 year gaps between competing
Also Arnold wasn’t competing against most people - The Bodybuilding Grapevine back then
Was very close knit Most other Competitors would’ve known he intended to compete.

This is accurate.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 04, 2019, 05:54:42 PM
Mentzer was obviously obsessed with Arnold
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on October 04, 2019, 06:00:15 PM
Mentzer was obviously obsessed with Arnold

he basically quit after 1980...

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 04, 2019, 06:03:08 PM
he basically quit after 1980...



He did it was his last contest ever.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on October 04, 2019, 06:19:35 PM

Pearl never won the mr.O , wasn't even  the guy to look for there anyways  ....Plus Arnold left in 75 as the best ever wanting to move on to bigger and better things (Hollywood)  he even lost all his muscles in his late 20's to look more Appealing in show business, he was way above the BB industry  ...  no way you could see coming back to competitive BB .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  1980 .

Nope Pearl Never competed in The Olympia - So He wasn’t likely to win it was he.
He Competed in the Mr Universe.

Regardless of what Arnold did after 75 - The Majority of Competitors in the 1980
Olympia would’ve of Known about him thinking of Competing - Certainly the Likes
Of Zane / Coe / Mentzer & the Other West coast Competitors.
The Bodybuilding Grapevine would’ve been very Busy with talk of Arnold back Then.

Only you believe what you want - Carry on.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on October 05, 2019, 08:54:20 AM
He did it was his last contest ever.

sounds cheesy - but quitters never win

just a guy with a getbig account and i was not around in the era... but seems if he would have kept training/competing he would have won a Mr O sometimes in the mid 1980s

1981 to about 1985 he could have maybe beat Dickerson, Samir, or franco etc

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on October 05, 2019, 09:27:10 AM
Mentzer was obviously obsessed with Arnold

Mentzer was a true influencer charismatic and extremely articulated. 

Ironically with his chest genetics he didn't have a chance in hell surpassing Arnold. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 08, 2019, 05:11:53 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: AbrahamG on October 08, 2019, 07:40:45 PM
he basically quit after 1980...



He was the quintessential quitter.  He quit bodybuilding and later, life.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on October 09, 2019, 06:54:29 PM
Mentzer was such an influence on my training. Even today. Maybe to my detriment. I remember buying every magazine that had any article he wrote or was written about him. I use to tear them out and put them in a binder. I still have it somewhere. Maybe the most complete collection of his writings outside of the few books he put out. I remember the first time he was featured in an article in the Weider magazines. It created quite a sensation.  No body builder had better publicity than him for a couple of years. At his peak he was making 200K a year. Back then that was probably the equivalent of a million a year. Quite a sum for a bodybuilder. I wish someone had the old video of him on the old show The Superstars on ABC.  I remember how disappointed I was in him running the 100 yard dash. Embarrassingly slow.  I have a vague memory of him going out in the push press part of the competition at something like 300lbs. It's really disturbing how much I know about him. Just in my teens and early twenties he was a much talked about bodybuilder.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: wes on October 09, 2019, 07:16:42 PM
GEEZUS,everytime I look through this thread it just makes me wonder what the fuck happened to bodybuilding  ???

These guys all look incredible!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on October 09, 2019, 07:21:05 PM
:)

Not a good pic for Mike He Looks by far the worst stood there in that shot.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on October 10, 2019, 06:38:15 AM
GEEZUS,everytime I look through this thread it just makes me wonder what the fuck happened to bodybuilding  ???

These guys all look incredible!

True the guys of today look like giant bloats.  Soft water retention phony muscle. No doubt in my mind that a prime Arnold standing next to these giant bloats would win hands down if the judges weren't idiots.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on October 10, 2019, 07:45:06 PM
Mentzer was such an influence on my training. Even today. Maybe to my detriment. I remember buying every magazine that had any article he wrote or was written about him. I use to tear them out and put them in a binder. I still have it somewhere. Maybe the most complete collection of his writings outside of the few books he put out. I remember the first time he was featured in an article in the Weider magazines. It created quite a sensation.  No body builder had better publicity than him for a couple of years. At his peak he was making 200K a year. Back then that was probably the equivalent of a million a year. Quite a sum for a bodybuilder. I wish someone had the old video of him on the old show The Superstars on ABC.  I remember how disappointed I was in him running the 100 yard dash. Embarrassingly slow.  I have a vague memory of him going out in the push press part of the competition at something like 300lbs. It's really disturbing how much I know about him. Just in my teens and early twenties he was a much talked about bodybuilder.

Wasn't the Superstar competition in the early 80's after he stopped competing? I wonder how he would have done if he would have did in the late 70's when he was at his peak.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Italian Lifter on October 11, 2019, 05:20:54 AM
Mentzer was such an influence on my training. Even today. Maybe to my detriment. I remember buying every magazine that had any article he wrote or was written about him. I use to tear them out and put them in a binder. I still have it somewhere. Maybe the most complete collection of his writings outside of the few books he put out. I remember the first time he was featured in an article in the Weider magazines. It created quite a sensation.  No body builder had better publicity than him for a couple of years. At his peak he was making 200K a year. Back then that was probably the equivalent of a million a year. Quite a sum for a bodybuilder. I wish someone had the old video of him on the old show The Superstars on ABC.  I remember how disappointed I was in him running the 100 yard dash. Embarrassingly slow.  I have a vague memory of him going out in the push press part of the competition at something like 300lbs. It's really disturbing how much I know about him. Just in my teens and early twenties he was a much talked about bodybuilder.

Same for me, but much difficult in Italy and in an era when Internet didn't exist, training WAS heavy duty.
High volume was just for wannabes... Oh my joints sadly prove that...  :'(
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: slb on October 11, 2019, 04:41:55 PM
1982 MEN'S PRELIMINARY 3

The New York Islanders' Bob Nystrom and miler Marty Liquori locked in a duel for the top spot. They went head-to-head in several events, but when Nystrom won the bike race, Liquori needed a top 2 finish in the 100 yard dash to beat Nystrom. Liquori finished fifth and wound up five points behind Nystrom in the final standings. Body builders Lou Ferrigno and Mike Mentzer locked in a classic, record breaking duel in the weight lifting. Both men lifted 320 pounds to break the record of 315 set by Lyle Alzado in 1979. Both men missed at 330, Ferrigno was successful in the tiebreak at 325 pounds to win the event and set the record.

Key Biscayne, Florida

Competition Dates: August 13 & 14, 1981

Air Date: February 7, 1982

Announcers: Frank Gifford, Bob Beattie.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on October 11, 2019, 04:45:54 PM
Wasn't the Superstar competition in the early 80's after he stopped competing? I wonder how he would have done if he would have did in the late 70's when he was at his peak.


Mike was no ordinary bodybuilder. He was also a philosopher and writer. There was only one truth and this applies to training theories. He believed he knew the truth and Arnold and others didn’t. So when he placed 5th his world collapsed. He alone knew the truth and hence, right way to train so should have been rewarded. To Mike, that contest was fixed because so many of the judges were friends of Arnold. Since he was punished in 1980 he refused to enter any more IFBB contests. If an undeserving Arnold could win then what was the point in competing? There was none, so he abandoned bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Disgusted on October 11, 2019, 08:15:15 PM

Mike was no ordinary bodybuilder. He was also a philosopher and writer. There was only one truth and this applies to training theories. He believed he knew the truth and Arnold and others didn’t. So when he placed 5th his world collapsed. He alone knew the truth and hence, right way to train so should have been rewarded. To Mike, that contest was fixed because so many of the judges were friends of Arnold. Since he was punished in 1980 he refused to enter any more IFBB contests. If an undeserving Arnold could win then what was the point in competing? There was none, so he abandoned bodybuilding.

He abandoned more than bodybuilding, he abandoned life. There is no logic in letting a fixed show govern the rest of your life.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: AbrahamG on October 11, 2019, 08:43:25 PM
He abandoned more than bodybuilding, he abandoned life. There is no logic in letting a fixed show govern the rest of your life.

He should have been thinking outside of the box and picked his own judges.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: wes on October 11, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
True the guys of today look like giant bloats.  Soft water retention phony muscle. No doubt in my mind that a prime Arnold standing next to these giant bloats would win hands down if the judges weren't idiots.
That`s just it,the judges of today would have no idea that they were actually looking at near perfection.

IDIOTS!!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: wes on October 11, 2019, 08:52:39 PM
1982 MEN'S PRELIMINARY 3

The New York Islanders' Bob Nystrom and miler Marty Liquori locked in a duel for the top spot. They went head-to-head in several events, but when Nystrom won the bike race, Liquori needed a top 2 finish in the 100 yard dash to beat Nystrom. Liquori finished fifth and wound up five points behind Nystrom in the final standings. Body builders Lou Ferrigno and Mike Mentzer locked in a classic, record breaking duel in the weight lifting. Both men lifted 320 pounds to break the record of 315 set by Lyle Alzado in 1979. Both men missed at 330, Ferrigno was successful in the tiebreak at 325 pounds to win the event and set the record.

Key Biscayne, Florida

Competition Dates: August 13 & 14, 1981

Air Date: February 7, 1982

Announcers: Frank Gifford, Bob Beattie.
WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME ........................ ................FUCKFACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: wes on October 11, 2019, 08:55:56 PM
He abandoned more than bodybuilding, he abandoned life. There is no logic in letting a fixed show govern the rest of your life.
X2 he simply quit fuck that perfect training regimen excuse bullshit.

Nothing worse than a sore loser with an infantile attitude who takes their toys home to spite some other kids............I`m not playing,so there !!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on October 13, 2019, 10:53:57 AM
I wonder why nobody asks Arnold about the damn never before seen footage of his last Oympia victory, I mean everyone and their mother has something to say but him. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on October 13, 2019, 11:48:19 AM
I wonder why nobody asks Arnold about the damn never before seen footage of his last Oympia victory, I mean everyone and their mother has something to say but him. 

He doesn’t need to - - He Won.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 14, 2019, 05:39:09 AM
X2 he simply quit fuck that perfect training regimen excuse bullshit.

Nothing worse than a sore loser with an infantile attitude who takes their toys home to spite some other kids............I`m not playing,so there !!

Bingo. 

Yup - i see that often w a lot of phonies - they juice cause they like the results - but hate the effort and grind and the actual work.   So they quit and go back to being lazy and fat.  Basile is like Al Bundy - still living off the HS 4 TD game decades later.   

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on October 14, 2019, 08:24:05 AM
X2 he simply quit fuck that perfect training regimen excuse bullshit.

Nothing worse than a sore loser with an infantile attitude who takes their toys home to spite some other kids............I`m not playing,so there !!

He had a Half Decent Physique- Some Good bodyparts
Came up with a gimmicky catching training protocol
Yet was Mentally weak & unstable
Got well beaten in one contest & couldn’t handle it  ::)
That’s Quite Sad & Pathetic Really.

He liked to talk the talk only couldn’t walk the walk.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: beakdoctor on October 14, 2019, 09:49:05 AM
He had a Half Decent Physique- Some Good bodyparts
Came up with a gimmicky catching training protocol
Yet was Mentally weak & unstable
Got well beaten in one contest & couldn’t handle it  ::)
That’s Quite Sad & Pathetic Really.

He liked to talk the talk only couldn’t walk the walk.

The odd thing about Mentzer and his philosophy (Ayn Rand / objectivism) was for being so dogmatic about it,  he really missed the point.  A true objectivist would not have cared at all about the value placed on subjective judging. Like the critics and Howard Roarks architecture. His architecture was brilliant despite what the critics said. Even if he chose to check out and no longer compete for the sake of another he still should've pursued his ideal training/physique. Instead the opinions of others and the success of others (Arnold) drove him mad. Oddly Arnold personified the ideals of rational self interest  more than Mentzer ever did.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 17, 2019, 09:02:18 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 22, 2019, 10:30:43 PM
 ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 10, 2020, 05:55:59 AM
Hard to believe 2020 marks the 40th anniversary of the most talked about bodybuilding contest in history.




WoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 10, 2020, 05:58:46 AM
74' Arnold at his best vs 1980 his leanest .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 10, 2020, 06:03:46 AM
I'm sure the brave person who took this picture was expecting Mike to flip out on him and say WTF are you doing ?





WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 10, 2020, 06:45:12 AM
Mentzer was a true influencer charismatic and extremely articulated.  

Ironically with his chest genetics he didn't have a chance in hell surpassing Arnold.  

Yeah I don't know what they're talking about, mentzer was just another small guy, no outstanding body parts, Arnold far superior genetically...

Nothing special imo

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 10, 2020, 06:46:38 AM
He did it was his last contest ever.

What's this book? Good read?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 10, 2020, 06:48:25 AM

Mike was no ordinary bodybuilder. He was also a philosopher and writer. There was only one truth and this applies to training theories. He believed he knew the truth and Arnold and others didn’t. So when he placed 5th his world collapsed. He alone knew the truth and hence, right way to train so should have been rewarded. To Mike, that contest was fixed because so many of the judges were friends of Arnold. Since he was punished in 1980 he refused to enter any more IFBB contests. If an undeserving Arnold could win then what was the point in competing? There was none, so he abandoned bodybuilding.

He was weak mentally, just a loser quitter in the end.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on March 10, 2020, 07:50:20 AM

Mike was no ordinary bodybuilder. He was also a philosopher and writer. There was only one truth and this applies to training theories. He believed he knew the truth and Arnold and others didn’t. So when he placed 5th his world collapsed. He alone knew the truth and hence, right way to train so should have been rewarded. To Mike, that contest was fixed because so many of the judges were friends of Arnold. Since he was punished in 1980 he refused to enter any more IFBB contests. If an undeserving Arnold could win then what was the point in competing? There was none, so he abandoned bodybuilding.


That’s a very poor excuse he had 🙄
It was all Arnold’s Fault he Placed 5th 🙄
And went on to have a complete mental breakdown- Yeah Right.

I quite liked mike & some of what he had to say - Very Clearly His was not The Only Way To Train,
And he had his own demons with or without Arnold.
I bet he never considered that he wasn’t as good as he Thought he was.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 10, 2020, 08:42:28 AM
Mike deserved 5th.  His fans are blinded by their admiration of him. If you look at the film you can see a 80% Arnold was better than a 100% Mentzer.  I wish Arnold came in his prime. There would be no discussion.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on March 10, 2020, 12:10:25 PM
Mike deserved 5th.  His fans are blinded by their admiration of him. If you look at the film you can see a 80% Arnold was better than a 100% Mentzer.  I wish Arnold came in his prime. There would be no discussion.

True - if only he’d been at his all time Best.... would mike self imploded on stage I wonder.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 10, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 10, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
I had another go at editing the Cover I took of Mike Mentzer way back in 1980.

From this photo you might understand why Mike and others were disappointed in his placing.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 10, 2020, 05:57:55 PM
I had another go at editing the Cover I took of Mike Mentzer way back in 1980.

From this photo you might understand why Mike and others were disappointed in his placing.

Pretty funny mentzer and other bagging Arnold's legs when mentzer is so off/ underdeveloped you cannot even see his tear drop here......
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on March 10, 2020, 06:54:07 PM
The odd thing about Mentzer and his philosophy (Ayn Rand / objectivism) was for being so dogmatic about it,  he really missed the point.  A true objectivist would not have cared at all about the value placed on subjective judging. Like the critics and Howard Roarks architecture. His architecture was brilliant despite what the critics said. Even if he chose to check out and no longer compete for the sake of another he still should've pursued his ideal training/physique. Instead the opinions of others and the success of others (Arnold) drove him mad. Oddly Arnold personified the ideals of rational self interest  more than Mentzer ever did.



solid post
good insight
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on March 10, 2020, 06:56:49 PM
comments on Arnold's hamstrings?

I am working super hard on the glute/ham tie in and curious what you guys say about arnold's hammys?


it seems it was not an important muscle group in the 1970s?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 10, 2020, 09:21:01 PM
comments on Arnold's hamstrings?

I am working super hard on the glute/ham tie in and curious what you guys say about arnold's hammys?


it seems it was not an important muscle group in the 1970s?

Not important at all...

The glute ham show didn't even really begin until late 80s with gaspari etc
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 10, 2020, 10:11:36 PM
Mike deserved 5th.  His fans are blinded by their admiration of him. If you look at the film you can see a 80% Arnold was better than a 100% Mentzer.  I wish Arnold came in his prime. There would be no discussion.

I don't know what is meant by being blinded by his admiration of Mike. That would far, far more apply to Arnold than Mike. Even someone like Frank Zane was really not an impressive bber. But people liked his look because it was more attainable so they always saw him in the most positive light. Many admired Mike's physique because they simply liked it. He had a unique build. That's how he became so popular. I looked at the film and I did not think Arnold was better and I'm not blind. I am a huge Arnold fan even today when so many has soured on him. Those thin legs really threw everything off. He was booed for a reason. He won that show before even entering it because he was Arnold.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 10, 2020, 10:13:05 PM
True - if only he’d been at his all time Best.... would mike self imploded on stage I wonder.

This I would absolutely agree with. A 1970-75 Arnold destroys everyone on that stage.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 11, 2020, 06:31:44 AM
and heres the real problem with arnold winning.  he didnt look like arnold. period. we expected him to come in looking like he always did. but he didnt. he was still better than everyone else but he didnt look like "arnold". so some people say he shouldnt of won.  people like mentzer and zane etc always look good standing by themselves. but when compared to a real bodybuilder like arnold they dont  cut it. now arnold wasnt superior in every pose but he was in enough to win.  people liked menzter because they are lazy and thought his way of training would work for them ( in reality he used volume just everyone else) and zane they liked because he had a very small build like a swimmer . easily attainable for almost anyone. by himself zane did look good. but next to arnold? forget about it. and dickerson?  wtf. he shouldnt of even been on stage.  mentzer went nuts after this his world crashed around him.  just so people know. arnold did patch things up (kinda) with mike. he actually offered to help ray ( mikes brother) with hospital bills etc( ray needed a kidney) 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 11, 2020, 07:14:08 AM
and heres the real problem with arnold winning.  he didnt look like arnold. period. we expected him to come in looking like he always did. but he didnt. he was still better than everyone else but he didnt look like "arnold". so some people say he shouldnt of won.  people like mentzer and zane etc always look good standing by themselves. but when compared to a real bodybuilder like arnold they dont  cut it. now arnold wasnt superior in every pose but he was in enough to win.  people liked menzter because they are lazy and thought his way of training would work for them ( in reality he used volume just everyone else) and zane they liked because he had a very small build like a swimmer . easily attainable for almost anyone. by himself zane did look good. but next to arnold? forget about it. and dickerson?  wtf. he shouldnt of even been on stage.  mentzer went nuts after this his world crashed around him.  just so people know. arnold did patch things up (kinda) with mike. he actually offered to help ray ( mikes brother) with hospital bills etc( ray needed a kidney) 

Agree 100% on your first points...

Arnold won the show, but because he was so off from his best and didn't have that same impressive look people say he didn't deserve it.

The guys in that show were all a step down from Arnold genetically so even a 70% Arnold had them covered..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: njflex on March 11, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
Last 3 posts kudos.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 11, 2020, 12:53:10 PM
WooooooooooooSH 1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on March 11, 2020, 08:55:47 PM
and heres the real problem with arnold winning.  he didnt look like arnold. period. we expected him to come in looking like he always did. but he didnt. he was still better than everyone else but he didnt look like "arnold". so some people say he shouldnt of won.  people like mentzer and zane etc always look good standing by themselves. but when compared to a real bodybuilder like arnold they dont  cut it. now arnold wasnt superior in every pose but he was in enough to win.  people liked menzter because they are lazy and thought his way of training would work for them ( in reality he used volume just everyone else) and zane they liked because he had a very small build like a swimmer . easily attainable for almost anyone. by himself zane did look good. but next to arnold? forget about it. and dickerson?  wtf. he shouldnt of even been on stage.  mentzer went nuts after this his world crashed around him.  just so people know. arnold did patch things up (kinda) with mike. he actually offered to help ray ( mikes brother) with hospital bills etc( ray needed a kidney) 

best post ive read about 1980 Mr O
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 11, 2020, 09:01:33 PM
and heres the real problem with arnold winning.  he didnt look like arnold. period. we expected him to come in looking like he always did. but he didnt. he was still better than everyone else but he didnt look like "arnold". so some people say he shouldnt of won.  people like mentzer and zane etc always look good standing by themselves. but when compared to a real bodybuilder like arnold they dont  cut it. now arnold wasnt superior in every pose but he was in enough to win.  people liked menzter because they are lazy and thought his way of training would work for them ( in reality he used volume just everyone else) and zane they liked because he had a very small build like a swimmer . easily attainable for almost anyone. by himself zane did look good. but next to arnold? forget about it. and dickerson?  wtf. he shouldnt of even been on stage.  mentzer went nuts after this his world crashed around him.  just so people know. arnold did patch things up (kinda) with mike. he actually offered to help ray ( mikes brother) with hospital bills etc( ray needed a kidney) 

People like Mentzer because they are lazy? Dorian was lazy?

And have you ever seen Mike or Ray train in real life. I have. Not Mike, but Ray , and he did not train using the traditional volume routine.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 11, 2020, 09:05:08 PM
and heres the real problem with arnold winning.  he didnt look like arnold. period. we expected him to come in looking like he always did. but he didnt. he was still better than everyone else but he didnt look like "arnold". so some people say he shouldnt of won.  people like mentzer and zane etc always look good standing by themselves. but when compared to a real bodybuilder like arnold they dont  cut it. now arnold wasnt superior in every pose but he was in enough to win.  people liked menzter because they are lazy and thought his way of training would work for them ( in reality he used volume just everyone else) and zane they liked because he had a very small build like a swimmer . easily attainable for almost anyone. by himself zane did look good. but next to arnold? forget about it. and dickerson?  wtf. he shouldnt of even been on stage.  mentzer went nuts after this his world crashed around him.  just so people know. arnold did patch things up (kinda) with mike. he actually offered to help ray ( mikes brother) with hospital bills etc( ray needed a kidney)  

Standing in the lineup Arnold didn't shine. When he started posing things changed. The old Arnold was still there, after all.

 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 12, 2020, 06:29:30 AM
pellius.   i didnt say the mentzers were lazy. i said "the people" liked them because THEY were lazy. everyone looking for an "easy" way. so if they "heard" the mentzers did 0ne set every 6 months that lasted 10 seconds then they were all for it. ( the people being lazy not mentzers) as an example. why do you think planet fitness is going so well? they cater to "lazy" people. no real drive no ambition etc but they "work out". lmao. and yes i have seen them train several times and what they say and what they did was 2 different things.   no dorian wasnt lazy. he trained hard but again it was NOT one set . him and the mentzers only counted their very last set as a working set. but they pyrimided up to that last set just like every other bodybuilder does. mentzers did more than dorian but fewer than other bodybuilders. and fyi. they built most of their size training volume. also did you know mike was probably the second bodybuilder to use insulin. he learned how from tim belknap.  and thats why he developed a distended stomach ( plus he trained abs with heavy weights which does not help) he also keeps saying how he was the first and only bodybuilder to get "a perfect score)". ( 300 points)  so he thought he was perfect. lmao.  but the first person was actually carlos rodriguize ( not spelled right i know)  but no one ever heard of him bragging etc. besides weider actually was pushing for mike to be his next poster boy due to his popularity and big arnold put a stop to that didnt he. mike was a nut case. and at best only an "ok" bodybuilder.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 13, 2020, 01:20:34 AM
pellius.   i didnt say the mentzers were lazy. i said "the people" liked them because THEY were lazy. everyone looking for an "easy" way. so if they "heard" the mentzers did 0ne set every 6 months that lasted 10 seconds then they were all for it. ( the people being lazy not mentzers) as an example. why do you think planet fitness is going so well? they cater to "lazy" people. no real drive no ambition etc but they "work out". lmao. and yes i have seen them train several times and what they say and what they did was 2 different things.   no dorian wasnt lazy. he trained hard but again it was NOT one set . him and the mentzers only counted their very last set as a working set. but they pyrimided up to that last set just like every other bodybuilder does. mentzers did more than dorian but fewer than other bodybuilders. and fyi. they built most of their size training volume. also did you know mike was probably the second bodybuilder to use insulin. he learned how from tim belknap.  and thats why he developed a distended stomach ( plus he trained abs with heavy weights which does not help) he also keeps saying how he was the first and only bodybuilder to get "a perfect score)". ( 300 points)  so he thought he was perfect. lmao.  but the first person was actually carlos rodriguize ( not spelled right i know)  but no one ever heard of him bragging etc. besides weider actually was pushing for mike to be his next poster boy due to his popularity and big arnold put a stop to that didnt he. mike was a nut case. and at best only an "ok" bodybuilder.

So much misinformation that I don't know where to start.

I didn't say, or even remotely imply, that you said the Mentzers were lazy. You said, "people liked menzter because they are lazy".

How do you know that? How do you know what's in people's minds? You don't. You ever think that people leaned toward the principles of Jone's and Mentzer because they think it made sense. They were not just blindly following what everyone else were doing. That as long as you are working within your functional ability, doing things that are already easy, stopping short of failure and beyond (forced reps, negatives, drop sets) that you will not stimulate an adaptive response. Meaning, no matter how many half-ass sets you do it isn't going to stimulate an adaptive response than trying to push yourself and do something your body hasn't done before and isn't used to doing. That's lazy? That's not having drive? You try it. Push a weight until you literally can't budge it at all. I mean, really until you can't budge it. Then force out three or four more reps. Then when you have nothing left to push, try lowering it nice and slow for another three reps, then do some partials until the burn is unbearable. Then tell me how lazy and lack of drive that is.

And what is this absolute bullshit about one set every six months? Why do you have to exaggerate and just make shit up?

And no one, not even Mentzer when he went crazy and overboard on the brief training, preached one set per body part. Do you even know what you are talking about? Where did you get that? It's one all-out set per exercise not per bodypart.

And no one expected anyone to just jump right into a heavy all-out set without a warm-up and doing some setup sets before you do your one work set. Watch Dorian's "Blood and Guts" tape and this time pay attention. As Dorian put it:

"And how many sets per exercise?"

"Ah, ahem, we're going to do, the first exercise we're going to do 3 sets. So we are going to do a light set to get the movement, get everything, get the blood in there. A medium set, to further, you know, get the body and the mind ready. Then the last set is going to be like... like somebody's got a gun to your little baby's head. Yeah. And he's going to pull the trigger unless you fucking give 100%. Life and death. One set. One. "


-- Dorian Yates to Brian Rose, CEO and President of London Real, just before a leg workout.

And how the hell do you know that Mentzer used insulin? He learned it from Tim Beknap? Belknap never used insulin for bbing but because he was a fuking diabetic for chrissakes! And nobody at that time (70s-early 80s) used insulin or knew it's bbing potential. Milos brought that in and he came much later.

And news flash, you don't need insulin to have a gut. Just look at your own stomach. And even at below 10% you relax your gut it will sag. The idea that Mentzer was abusing insulin in 1979 because of some candid pics of him with his gut sagging is just beyond asinine.

And another myth people like you make up is the idea Mentzer built his mass first with volume before he pushed HIT? Have you seen pics when Mentzer and Ray first went to train under Jones? Have you read Mentzer's account of how he stagnated with his progress until he met Casey and then started making progress training under Jones? The pictures are there. What he looked like before and how he went on to get a perfect score at the Universe and win the Heavyweight class at the 79 Mr. Olympia. Not bad for an "OK" bber.

There is no record of Carlos Rodriguez getting a perfect score in any show. Another made up bullshit claim with no evidence.

"In 1978, Mentzer won the Mr. Universe in Acapulco, Mexico with the first and only perfect 300 score. He became a professional bodybuilder after that 1978 Universe win"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer

And exactly when and where did you see Mentzer train? How old are you? From what you have written you really don't have much credibility at all. You just make things up without any evidence.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 13, 2020, 07:13:16 AM
pellius. yes the people are lazy . i never said they trained the same way as mike and ray. i used the 0ne set every 6 months as a sarcastic way to prove a point.  they thought hey i can do a few sets and get huge( easy sets ) they didnt understand the true concept of what mentzers were trying to say about training. and yes it does sound valid but its wrong on so many levels.  you seem to get your panties in a bunch very easily. relax.. you seem to be wanting to start an argument. i wont argue. this is a bodybuilding site ( supposedly) and yes belknap was a diabetic. and yes he used insulin. but he will be the first to tell you he learned how to use it to his advantage. mike learned it from him .    and yes carlos did in fact get a perfect 300 score. i will go back thru some mags and find which contest ( its listed in an old muscle builder magazine.)  mikes problem was he thought his way and only his way was best. ( he built his body first with volume though) and yes he had a big gut he couldnt control it and it would hang and bulge when he relaxed.  and yes insulin causes that but also using heavy weights will do the same thing( on ab exercises.) mike would always say "look at a sprinter" they run as fast as they can for a short distance and they are muscular. a long distance runner runs for to long and has no muscle.  BUT heres where he is wrong. a sprinter doesnt go to the track run a 220 and go home.  lmao. he runs many ( volume). plus a few 100s etc. doing more runs at different speeds and intensity. again mike didnt address that did he?  AND his sun and tanning analogy cracks me. you can lay in sunshine all day in the winter and not get burned( volume training) but in the summer you will get burned ( intensity)   but the fool forgot you have to increase your exposure to the sun everytime you lay out in it in order to get a tan ( 10 minutes twice a week wont get you tanned) so you need to increase your exposure time ( volume) in order to increase your tan. but he wouldnt budge on his beliefs. in the end mike believed he was something way more than he actually was.  he learned that arnold and many others were way better than him.  he died a bitter lonely out of shape whinner and cry baby with alot of health issues who let losing a contest to a superior bodybuilder ruin his life. and its not like he got second. he got fifth ( tied with boyer for 4th)    i understand your defending you hero( or lover not sure which)  1 thing that he did do well was get people to actually start thinking about what they are doing, cutting some sets and look into overtraining etc.  he was at best an ok bodybuilder and at worst and bullshit artist ( trying to make people think he was pre med and crap) he abused steroids street drugs insulin and even used growth hormone ( from dead people)  he finally lost it mentally. was in and out of institutions  broke and basically was homeless for awhile. if his methods are so great where are all the bodies?  dorian built alot of his mass doing volume first then increased his drugs and did the hardcore stuff but he will tell you mike mentzer did not train him he onlyy used some of his ideas and adjusted them to his needs. he was indeed a smart bodybuilder but didnt know when to quit pushing it ( injurys) so go ahead and counter bitch about my post but im not gonna  respond. i will however find the contest info with carlos. oh and by the way im 60 years old. and i knew alot of the pros and amauters from back in the day.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JAGO on March 13, 2020, 07:31:44 AM
Standing in the lineup Arnold didn't shine. When he started posing things changed. The old Arnold was still there, after all.

 

Always wonder why you post in Arnold threads after having accused him of rape?

J
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: a_pupil on March 13, 2020, 07:56:21 AM
pellius. yes the people are lazy . i never said they trained the same way as mike and ray. i used the 0ne set every 6 months as a sarcastic way to prove a point.  they thought hey i can do a few sets and get huge( easy sets ) they didnt understand the true concept of what mentzers were trying to say about training. and yes it does sound valid but its wrong on so many levels.  you seem to get your panties in a bunch very easily. relax.. you seem to be wanting to start an argument. i wont argue. this is a bodybuilding site ( supposedly) and yes belknap was a diabetic. and yes he used insulin. but he will be the first to tell you he learned how to use it to his advantage. mike learned it from him .    and yes carlos did in fact get a perfect 300 score. i will go back thru some mags and find which contest ( its listed in an old muscle builder magazine.)  mikes problem was he thought his way and only his way was best. ( he built his body first with volume though) and yes he had a big gut he couldnt control it and it would hang and bulge when he relaxed.  and yes insulin causes that but also using heavy weights will do the same thing( on ab exercises.) mike would always say "look at a sprinter" they run as fast as they can for a short distance and they are muscular. a long distance runner runs for to long and has no muscle.  BUT heres where he is wrong. a sprinter doesnt go to the track run a 220 and go home.  lmao. he runs many ( volume). plus a few 100s etc. doing more runs at different speeds and intensity. again mike didnt address that did he?  AND his sun and tanning analogy cracks me. you can lay in sunshine all day in the winter and not get burned( volume training) but in the summer you will get burned ( intensity)   but the fool forgot you have to increase your exposure to the sun everytime you lay out in it in order to get a tan ( 10 minutes twice a week wont get you tanned) so you need to increase your exposure time ( volume) in order to increase your tan. but he wouldnt budge on his beliefs. in the end mike believed he was something way more than he actually was.  he learned that arnold and many others were way better than him.  he died a bitter lonely out of shape whinner and cry baby with alot of health issues who let losing a contest to a superior bodybuilder ruin his life. and its not like he got second. he got fifth ( tied with boyer for 4th)    i understand your defending you hero( or lover not sure which)  1 thing that he did do well was get people to actually start thinking about what they are doing, cutting some sets and look into overtraining etc.  he was at best an ok bodybuilder and at worst and bullshit artist ( trying to make people think he was pre med and crap) he abused steroids street drugs insulin and even used growth hormone ( from dead people)  he finally lost it mentally. was in and out of institutions  broke and basically was homeless for awhile. if his methods are so great where are all the bodies?  dorian built alot of his mass doing volume first then increased his drugs and did the hardcore stuff but he will tell you mike mentzer did not train him he onlyy used some of his ideas and adjusted them to his needs. he was indeed a smart bodybuilder but didnt know when to quit pushing it ( injurys) so go ahead and counter bitch about my post but im not gonna  respond. i will however find the contest info with carlos. oh and by the way im 60 years old. and i knew alot of the pros and amauters from back in the day.

please edit your walls of text into paragraphs.

it's a good discussion but hard to read.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 13, 2020, 10:55:06 AM
i have the report but its in jpeg. can anyone tell me how to convert it to jpg?  it was the 1978 mr international held in columbus ohio along with the olympia. carlos got 1st in the lightweight with the first perfect 300 score. joe nazario won the heavyweight and over all. ricky wayne did the write up and the results for muscle builder. march edition i believe. so pelius please do not spew forth crap that you know nothing about . you look like a fool arguing while you are wrong.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on March 13, 2020, 11:04:24 AM
In 1980 Both Dickerson and Arnold crush Mentzer from the back.   
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 13, 2020, 11:08:21 AM
mentzer never had a back ( or chest either) in fact his back was so bad that oscar state even said so during the 1977 mr universe competion. he said "and here it is mentzers weak point"  or something to that effect.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 13, 2020, 11:24:21 AM
heres the report. clearly stated. cant seem to get it to work i made the pic a gif and it still says cant post it
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hazbin on March 13, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
heres the report. clearly stated. cant seem to get it to work i made the pic a gif and it still says cant post it

wrong year

edit.   ok you know this is 1978
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rome on March 14, 2020, 01:57:44 AM
He looked anemic compared to the other competitors, the show was rigged. AS didn’t even train till the last minute , he needed the “Win”🙄 for film publicity.
He cracked wise backstage and was about to catch them hands from my boy Mentzer! 😆
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on March 14, 2020, 12:37:50 PM
He looked anemic compared to the other competitors, the show was rigged. AS didn’t even train till the last minute , he needed the “Win”🙄 for film publicity.
He cracked wise backstage and was about to catch them hands from my boy Mentzer! 😆

Really 🙄
1, Get your eyesight tested
2, whatever you smoking stop

HTH 👍🏻
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 15, 2020, 07:54:35 PM
pellius. yes the people are lazy . i never said they trained the same way as mike and ray. i used the 0ne set every 6 months as a sarcastic way to prove a point.  they thought hey i can do a few sets and get huge( easy sets ) they didnt understand the true concept of what mentzers were trying to say about training. and yes it does sound valid but its wrong on so many levels.  you seem to get your panties in a bunch very easily. relax.. you seem to be wanting to start an argument. i wont argue. this is a bodybuilding site ( supposedly) and yes belknap was a diabetic. and yes he used insulin. but he will be the first to tell you he learned how to use it to his advantage. mike learned it from him .    and yes carlos did in fact get a perfect 300 score. i will go back thru some mags and find which contest ( its listed in an old muscle builder magazine.)  mikes problem was he thought his way and only his way was best. ( he built his body first with volume though) and yes he had a big gut he couldnt control it and it would hang and bulge when he relaxed.  and yes insulin causes that but also using heavy weights will do the same thing( on ab exercises.) mike would always say "look at a sprinter" they run as fast as they can for a short distance and they are muscular. a long distance runner runs for to long and has no muscle.  BUT heres where he is wrong. a sprinter doesnt go to the track run a 220 and go home.  lmao. he runs many ( volume). plus a few 100s etc. doing more runs at different speeds and intensity. again mike didnt address that did he?  AND his sun and tanning analogy cracks me. you can lay in sunshine all day in the winter and not get burned( volume training) but in the summer you will get burned ( intensity)   but the fool forgot you have to increase your exposure to the sun everytime you lay out in it in order to get a tan ( 10 minutes twice a week wont get you tanned) so you need to increase your exposure time ( volume) in order to increase your tan. but he wouldnt budge on his beliefs. in the end mike believed he was something way more than he actually was.  he learned that arnold and many others were way better than him.  he died a bitter lonely out of shape whinner and cry baby with alot of health issues who let losing a contest to a superior bodybuilder ruin his life. and its not like he got second. he got fifth ( tied with boyer for 4th)    i understand your defending you hero( or lover not sure which)  1 thing that he did do well was get people to actually start thinking about what they are doing, cutting some sets and look into overtraining etc.  he was at best an ok bodybuilder and at worst and bullshit artist ( trying to make people think he was pre med and crap) he abused steroids street drugs insulin and even used growth hormone ( from dead people)  he finally lost it mentally. was in and out of institutions  broke and basically was homeless for awhile. if his methods are so great where are all the bodies?  dorian built alot of his mass doing volume first then increased his drugs and did the hardcore stuff but he will tell you mike mentzer did not train him he onlyy used some of his ideas and adjusted them to his needs. he was indeed a smart bodybuilder but didnt know when to quit pushing it ( injurys) so go ahead and counter bitch about my post but im not gonna  respond. i will however find the contest info with carlos. oh and by the way im 60 years old. and i knew alot of the pros and amauters from back in the day.

Again, so much misinformation that again I don't know where to start. You accuse me of wanting to start an argument when I am instead just disagreeing with your views and providing evidence to back it up. You come back with implying I was Mentzer's lover. What's with guys like you? Always preoccupied with homosexuality? Can't you keep your sexuality out of it and just make your argument. You claim that I don't know what I'm talking about because I said Mike was the first to achieve a perfect score. This is well documented. I've found no documentation on Carlos Rodriguez other than the one magazine article you quoted. You may be right but to think my well-documented claim is baseless is just patently wrong. You, by contrast, make claims that you have no way of knowing to be true and there is no evidence supporting it. The absurd idea that Mike used insulin for bbing purposes. You just made that up on the absurd observation that Mike allowed his stomach to sag in candid moments during 1979. He did, after all, win the Mr. Olympia heavyweight class.

It is one thing to say that people are lazy. It is quite another to claim that people switch to HIT BECAUSE they are lazy. I would venture to guess that the vast majority went to HIT because they were getting nowhere training six days a week, two hours a day and are thinking people who just don't follow what everyone else is doing. And again you make the absurd claim as you did with Mentzer, that Dorian built his mass first with volume training when that is just provably wrong. As with Mentzer, who grew after training with Jones, Dorian even stated before stepping on stage to defend his title that he cut back on his training even more and is coming in bigger and better than his previous win. Which he did. BTW, I don't think Dorian ever trained using traditional volume training. He said because he had to work he would train three days a week and only upped to four when he no longer had to work a regular job to support himself. Again, you make claims with zero evidence.

And Mike's analogy (which by definition is not meant to be an exact perfect comparison) between a sprinter and a marathon runner is sound. You just don't understand basic human physiology. The difference between aerobic training (long-distance jogging) and anaerobic, which is what bbing is.
Your analogy about just running a 220 and going home is just an ignorant example. Just like you don't go into a gym and just do one set of an exercise and go home.

Mike lived about three miles away from me in Redondo Beach, Ca. I spoke with him regularly when he was a trainer at Gold's and would bump into both him and Ray on occasion since we lived in the same neighborhood. He was in no way lonely and broke. He was a much in demand speaker and wildly popular in his circle. Even to this day he still has a huge fan base and his website and courses still generate income. I saw first hand how he lived and though he wasn't a multi-millionaire he did quite well. Once again, you make claims about things you simply don't know anything about.

Mike winning the Mr. Olympia heavyweight class.

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on March 15, 2020, 08:14:25 PM
Arnold won, fair and square
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on March 15, 2020, 08:19:32 PM
HIT can work it all depends upon which variation works best for you.  If I use Mike's last version it nearly kills me for at least a week or more. Usually two.  And that's with just a couple of sets including warm-up and working.

So I rarely do that version. I am not "lazy", I just don't want to spend my life inside a gym even if it is the one in my garage!  ;D

If HIT doesn't work for you, fine!  It's not the end of the world...Corona is, LOL!

Fuck That Noise.  We will win over a freaking virus and the DemocRap driven slide in the markets. Fuck the Dems!  Fuck islime and fuck the ChiComs! Huzzah for the USA and her allies!

And train however the heck you want.  Just train the way that feels and works best for you, keeping in mind that your routine can vary as you see fit.

And Arnold won in 1980.  Franco didn't win in 1981, it should have been Padilla or Platz and 1982 is the BIGGEST farce of all.    ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 15, 2020, 08:38:22 PM
HIT can work it all depends upon which variation works best for you.  If I use Mike's last version it nearly kills me for at least a week or more. Usually two.  And that's with just a couple of sets including warm-up and working.

So I rarely do that version. I am not "lazy", I just don't want to spend my life inside a gym even if it is the one in my garage!  ;D

If HIT doesn't work for you, fine!  It's not the end of the world...Corona is, LOL!

Fuck That Noise.  We will win over a freaking virus and the DemocRap driven slide in the markets. Fuck the Dems!  Fuck islime and fuck the ChiComs! Huzzah for the USA and her allies!

And train however the heck you want.  Just train the way that feels and works best for you, keeping in mind that your routine can vary as you see fit.

And Arnold won in 1980.  Franco didn't win in 1981, it should have been Padilla or Platz and 1982 is the BIGGEST farce of all.    ;D


Agree, one thing I want to make clear when I talk about HIT and Jones, Mentzer, Dorian, I am not talking about their specific training protocols but I am talking about the principles espoused by Arthur Jones. How it applies to frequency, duration, and intensity. It varies wildly but they all should have one thing in come -- intensity. The belief that as long as you are working within your functional ability. Doing things that you can already do. Then exercise will do little or nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. To me, it just makes perfect sense. If you can do 8 pull-ups and just keep doing 8 session after session, never trying to that 9th rep, what reason does your body have to adapt to? And no amount of half-ass sets can compensate for one intense set.

Another principle that no one really talked about before Jones was recovery. That you only progress outside the gym when you are recovering. Back when I first started it was always "do more" not "train harder". Arnold's first book when he said he and his friends did sixty set squats and then ate a whole chicken really made an impression on me. I remember as a kid spending my Sundays squatting literally all day. Squatting for about two hours in the morning. Have lunch, relax a bit, then squatting another two hours, or whatever it took to do 30 sets, then after dinner have another night session of just squatting. I got zero progress but just killed myself.  
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 15, 2020, 09:14:05 PM

HIT can work it all depends upon which variation works best for you.  

And train however the heck you want.  Just train the way that feels and works best for you, keeping in mind that your routine can vary as you see fit.


Absolutely nothing of worth in these statements. Completely meaningless or a tautology.

A theory about hypertrophy can't be what you state above.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 15, 2020, 09:16:42 PM
Agree, one thing I want to make clear when I talk about HIT and Jones, Mentzer, Dorian, I am not talking about their specific training protocols but I am talking about the principles espoused by Arthur Jones. How it applies to frequency, duration, and intensity. It varies wildly but they all should have one thing in come -- intensity. The belief that as long as you are working within your functional ability. Doing things that you can already do. Then exercise will do little or nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. To me, it just makes perfect sense. If you can do 8 pull-ups and just keep doing 8 session after session, never trying to that 9th rep, what reason does your body have to adapt to? And no amount of half-ass sets can compensate for one intense set.

Another principle that no one really talked about before Jones was recovery. That you only progress outside the gym when you are recovering. Back when I first started it was always "do more" not "train harder". Arnold's first book when he said he and his friends did sixty set squats and then ate a whole chicken really made an impression on me. I remember as a kid spending my Sundays squatting literally all day. Squatting for about two hours in the morning. Have lunch, relax a bit, then squatting another two hours, or whatever it took to do 30 sets, then after dinner have another night session of just squatting. I go zero progress but just killed myself. 

Let us talk about something you know. Like what you did to make your calves larger. The question I ask is how come your method didn't work for your arms, etc.? Or perhaps you didn't train arms the same as you trained calves?

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: AbrahamG on March 15, 2020, 10:33:31 PM
I'd like to hear more about the claims that you were raped by Arnold.  Was it your hind quarters that were allegedly raped?  Was it an old fashioned face fucking?  Was it a hybrid?  Ass to mouth?  If ATM, Arnold really was a pioneer in many fields.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 15, 2020, 10:46:37 PM
Let us talk about something you know. Like what you did to make your calves larger. The question I ask is how come your method didn't work for your arms, etc.? Or perhaps you didn't train arms the same as you trained calves?



I never trained anything like the way I trained my calves. In some cases, I wouldn't be able to duplicate the techniques used to achieve the level of intensity I could with my calves. I would need a full-time spotter to help me with force reps, partials, rest pause, and negatives if I wanted to do it for chest, back, or delts. In the case of quads, I don't think I would be physically capable to endure such training for a meaningful length of time even if I was in my physical prime. Arms maybe. Or more specifically either bicep or tricep but not both at the same time. But again it wasn't just the training protocol. It was a weird and dark period in my life. I became absolutely obsessed with calves. I would have dreams and nightmares about my calves. It's all I thought about. I took the "mind/muscle" connection to the extreme.

I look back at the time as not good period in my life. My marriage dissolved, there were family crisis, I was not in a good state of mind. I think I just became obsessed just to take my mind off of reality. I was never a drinker or into rec drugs, so sitting alone in my apartment in the dark doing calf raises on a dictionary I guess was my escape. I was like Dinero in Taxi Driver talking to myself and trying to find some direction in life.  

It's not something I would want to do ever again. I don't even train calves nowadays other than some bodyweight heel raises to warm them up because I stretch them a lot since I have heel spurs. I don't really pay much attention to them but I do sometimes surprise myself when I do look at them. It used to be just skin and bones and now it just stands out. It's nothing like Platz, Mazzaratto, Arnold, or Dickerson, but just compared to what they use to be.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 16, 2020, 12:03:49 AM
You did well training your calves. Everyone on Ironage appreciated what you wrote about how you did it as 'Mark Twain'.

Most bodybuilders do too many exercises. Well, they fear muscles will shrink if they don't train them at least once a week.

I happen to be one of those lazy guys mentioned above. I was always looking for the bare minimum but maximum benefit way to train.

We both found some success by going way beyond what most people do. Yet, we must have been doing something similar otherwise

significant growth wouldn't have occurred.

I suggest you have a go at seeing if you can put an inch on your upper arms. My triceps respond the best. Well, I tore my right

biceps doing those stupid heavy dead lifts. My triceps today are bigger than ever which is a surprise as I am 77 and 1/2.

I do just two exercises for arms. I train once a week because I literally am not up to training that hard twice a week. So select an

effective exercise and have a go. I like to superset bis and tris. I get a good pump this way.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on March 16, 2020, 05:12:12 AM
Absolutely nothing of worth in these statements. Completely meaningless or a tautology.

A theory about hypertrophy can't be what you state above.


Talk about repetition ad nauseam, oh mighty addlepated one.  I have no "theory" about hypertrophy.   Exercise, despite the silliest efforts of many, one of which you happen to be, isn't "rocket science".

Pick it up.  Put it down. You and Milo of Croton have at least one thing in common, although I'll wager the bull you carry around is nowhere near the weight of animal Milo shouldered despite being larger.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on March 16, 2020, 05:17:16 AM


...I do just two exercises for arms. I train once a week because I literally am not up to training that hard twice a week. So select an

effective exercise and have a go. I like to superset bis and tris. I get a good pump this way.


Absolutely nothing of worth in these statements. Completely meaningless or a tautology.

A theory about hypertrophy can't be what you state above.

It seems you train however the heck you want. Oh wait...Tautology, BLAH...BLAH...BLAH.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 16, 2020, 05:40:08 AM
pellius you dont find out that carlos got the first 300 because you dont want to believe it so you dont look.  it was 1978 mr international held in columbus along with the olympia. he won the lightweight with a perfct 300. this was before the universe when mentzer was gifted his win. and my saying things about people being lazy does not apply to everyone who wanted to train heavy duty. some actually busted their ass. it was for those that only heard they trained for 20 minutes 3 times a week so now they think thats all they need to do. go to the gym pump light weights talk rest get out in 20 minutes. and then say crap im training like mentzer why dont i grow.  and heres something else you and other report about dorian and mike but you leave out the real truth . DRUGS lots and lots of DRUGS.  steroids gh insulin ( yes mike used it) rec drugs( yes mike used lots) alcohol ( yes mike drank alot and often)  even casey viator (colorodo experiment lol  such crap) said he would sneak out and go train at another gym during that time cuz jones methods didnt cut it ( and yes casey got all his mass with volume first then got hurt got infections lost alot of weight and then did the experiment) and even though jones didnt want him using steroids he did without jones knowledge. and later on casey got into his best shape on the pro circuit using volume. ( like he always did)  BUT heres what people dont understand about volume. you do sets building up to a max weight for a certain amount of reps ( failure) its not 10 sets of easy weights.   yes you have to push the muscle past where its been before in order to achieve growth. either by weight reps rest or sets. and all these will work up to a point. just like an olympic sprinter. heres where mike was wrong ( as he was about so many other things) he thought his way and only his way forever. never change routines types do minimal warmups( i agree to a point) its kinda funny when mike lost in 77 to kal he said how losing doesnt effect him mentally he cant dwell on it he just has to come in better etc. ( or something like that) and then arnold wipes him out in 80 and mike descends into a drug fueled crazy that eventually cost him his job his girl ( cathy) his everything and then eventually his life. what mike failed to realize also is you cant go around talking crap about others trying to say yours is the best. arnold NEVER said such things. when he was asked about mike he would say that mike has found a way to train that suits him best .   and he was also right when he said people like mike an franco needed more exercises more sets etc to bring out the muscles in different ways. as an example heavy benches will build pecs but flyes and inclines and dips and declines will add to it . ( no not saying do these in every workout)  look at mike no chest all he did was inclines and pec deck . he had a rugged powerlifting look but not a top bodybuilder. lacked in to many departments.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 16, 2020, 05:48:56 AM
The Scott doesn't contribute anything of worth to hypertrophy theory yet thinks he is an expert of sorts.  Yeah, everyone on Getbig is an expert!  ::)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 16, 2020, 05:49:16 AM
oh and one more thing. i do not post on here about homos. i never have and never will.  i posted that about him being your lover due to the extreme way your defending him. on this site people are always making every post either a gay post or they get way off topic on stuff. im not here to argue or anything im here to post facts. real facts.  first and foremost NO ONE deserves a 300 score because no one is perfect. however carlos was in fact the first and only 1 of 2 whom have ever achieved that goal. and no he didnt deserve it but he did deserve it a whole lot more than mike did. im done commenting on this subject so go ahead and say what you will ive proven my point stated facts and only facts. your the type of person that will continue arguing that 2+2 =5 just so you wont have to admit your wrong. eventually if you say something over and over eventually someone will believe you ( THATS WHY MENTZER KEEP TALKING ABOUT 1980 OLYMPIA) hoping he could get people to believe him. smh. up until the day he died he still wouldnt let it go.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 16, 2020, 04:12:57 PM
oh and one more thing. i do not post on here about homos. i never have and never will.  i posted that about him being your lover due to the extreme way your defending him. on this site people are always making every post either a gay post or they get way off topic on stuff. im not here to argue or anything im here to post facts. real facts.  first and foremost NO ONE deserves a 300 score because no one is perfect. however carlos was in fact the first and only 1 of 2 whom have ever achieved that goal. and no he didnt deserve it but he did deserve it a whole lot more than mike did. im done commenting on this subject so go ahead and say what you will ive proven my point stated facts and only facts. your the type of person that will continue arguing that 2+2 =5 just so you wont have to admit your wrong. eventually if you say something over and over eventually someone will believe you ( THATS WHY MENTZER KEEP TALKING ABOUT 1980 OLYMPIA) hoping he could get people to believe him. smh. up until the day he died he still wouldnt let it go.


Clearly Mike used that 300 score to suggest he had the perfect physique. Flawed thinking resulting from a flawed scoring system. Joe and Ben were desperate to get bodybuilding as an Olympic sport. So they tried to have a judging system more in line with other sports such as gymnastics and diving. Whoever came up with the details sure didn't do bodybuilding a favour. What resulted was a cumbersome process that didn't always select the best competitor.
Also, the system that evolved allowed 'adjustments' to be made after the judging. The posedown was scored. How on earth could that be scored with everyone doing different things? What it did allow was for corrections to be made
so that the right people won the contests....or rather, to make sure that the wrong people didn't win.
What we see today is that the head judge who selects the first call out for comparisons can tell the judges who is going to win by putting them in order. No wonder there are controversies.
The NABBA system that evolved in London was far superior and accepted by most bodybuilders with one or two exceptions. I remember when Sergio lost to Bill Pearl because his head was too small! On the other hand look at how many Mr Olympia contests were controversial. Way too many. 1980 and 1981 go down as two of the most controversial. 1981 definitely was way off what should have happened.
Getting back to the rounds scoring system. 3 rounds worth 20 points each. 5 judges times 60 points equals 300. So getting a 300 score meant that all the judges placed you first in each round. It didn't mean you were perfect.
Mike was a good writer so naturally used this score to promote himself as someone special.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on March 16, 2020, 05:03:14 PM
Clearly Mike used that 300 score to suggest he had the perfect physique. Flawed thinking resulting from a flawed scoring system. Joe and Ben were desperate to get bodybuilding as an Olympic sport. So they tried to have a judging system more in line with other sports such as gymnastics and diving. Whoever came up with the details sure didn't do bodybuilding a favour. What resulted was a cumbersome process that didn't always select the best competitor.
Also, the system that evolved allowed 'adjustments' to be made after the judging. The posedown was scored. How on earth could that be scored with everyone doing different things? What it did allow was for corrections to be made
so that the right people won the contests....or rather, to make sure that the wrong people didn't win.
What we see today is that the head judge who selects the first call out for comparisons can tell the judges who is going to win by putting them in order. No wonder there are controversies.
The NABBA system that evolved in London was far superior and accepted by most bodybuilders with one or two exceptions. I remember when Sergio lost to Bill Pearl because his head was too small! On the other hand look at how many Mr Olympia contests were controversial. Way too many. 1980 and 1981 go down as two of the most controversial. 1981 definitely was way off what should have happened.
Getting back to the rounds scoring system. 3 rounds worth 20 points each. 5 judges times 60 points equals 300. So getting a 300 score meant that all the judges placed you first in each round. It didn't mean you were perfect.
Mike was a good writer so naturally used this score to promote himself as someone special.

Correct on the judging criteria/ system back then & Mike jumping on the fact he got all 1st - 300pts
Far from making him Perfect 🙄 Only in his delusional mind.

Wrong on 80 & 81 - 82 & Monkey features Saggy pecs - No Arms Queer Boy Dicksucker Winning
Was the biggest travesty in Olympia history.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on March 16, 2020, 06:22:36 PM
The Scott doesn't contribute anything of worth to hypertrophy theory yet thinks he is an expert of sorts.  Yeah, everyone on Getbig is an expert!  ::)

So now you feel I am an "expert"?  Really? 

Good lord but you are an insufferable twatling.  No one here is really an "expert".  It's not rocket science but perhaps for someone of your limited comprehension it appears to be.

It's said that on the interwebs you can be anything or anyone you want to be.  Sad that you have chosen to be a bitter retard.  No...Really.  You are  bitter, little, retardo.

You've never spawned, have you?  Lord I hope not for the last thing this already fucked up world turgid with libtards needs is for one of your tadpoles to continue the line. 

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 16, 2020, 07:02:21 PM
So now you feel I am an "expert"?  Really?  

Good lord but you are an insufferable twatling.  No one here is really an "expert".  It's not rocket science but perhaps for someone of your limited comprehension it appears to be.

It's said that on the interwebs you can be anything or anyone you want to be.  Sad that you have chosen to be a bitter retard.  No...Really.  You are  bitter, little, retardo.

You've never spawned, have you?  Lord I hope not for the last thing this already fucked up world turgid with libtards needs is for one of your tadpoles to continue the line.  



Interesting but sad how a discussion about hypertrophy changes to one about intelligence and personality.

You are clearly not an expert because you wouldn't say silly things like "It's not rocket science..." The physiology of hypertrophy is as difficult as any other science.

What most trainees conclude is that building muscles is a simple process. Lift weights in a progressive fashion and voila, big muscles. Eat and supplement to fine tune.

If we look around in gyms we discover that only a very small percentage of bodybuilders get huge. So how do we explain this if it is not rocket science?

What I have been interested in over the last 60 years is to determine exactly what is necessary and sufficient to stimulate maximum muscular hypertrophy in humans.

When I read the common perception that bodybuilders merely have to do what works for them I am amused. The ignorance among weight trainers is wide spread and

very deep. I doubt any internet discussions are going to illuminate these souls.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 16, 2020, 07:18:16 PM
"Until pigs fly you don't have to be a scientist to be a bodybuilder"-Jeff Everson. There have been very scientific bodybuilders and some who were dumb as rocks and both were successful. It really comes down to genetics, work ethic, some knowledge and drugs. No one really has the most efficient way to put on muscle. If we knew we all would be on the same exercise routine regarding splits, sets and reps. Amazing how some guys that profess to be training gurus look like they never trained in their life when they are off drugs. What we have is training theories and not facts. Empirical knowledge should never be dismissed. What we know is the overwhelming amount of bodybuilding champions have used volume. If getting stronger was the magic bullet we would all be training with sets of one rep. Building muscle is building muscular strength endurance for lack of a better term rather than building pure strength.
 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on March 16, 2020, 08:22:43 PM
"Until pigs fly you don't have to be a scientist to be a bodybuilder"-Jeff Everson. There have been very scientific bodybuilders and some who were dumb as rocks and both were successful. It really comes down to genetics, work ethic, some knowledge and drugs. No one really has the most efficient way to put on muscle. If we knew we all would be on the same exercise routine regarding splits, sets and reps. Amazing how some guys that profess to be training gurus look like they never trained in their life when they are off drugs. What we have is training theories and not facts. Empirical knowledge should never be dismissed. What we know is the overwhelming amount of bodybuilding champions have used volume. If getting stronger was the magic bullet we would all be training with sets of one rep. Building muscle is building muscular strength endurance for lack of a better term rather than building pure strength.
 

The curious thing about bodybuilding is the vast amount of information passed on in gyms and via the internet. A lot of the information isn't correct.

So what I try to do is distil the full theory of hypertrophy that explains all muscular growth...and non growth.

Since drugs are so prevalent among the pros and on Getbig I doubt training methods will improve much.

However, if we exclude drugs then it makes a big difference what theory you follow. At best most bodybuilders possess part of the truth.

Another problem is that bodybuilders may possess the right theory but their execution doesn't deliver the results.

In any system where there is movement complexity will result. The technology of hypertrophy is quite a difficult process to implement effectively and efficiently.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on March 16, 2020, 08:27:41 PM
Interesting but sad how a discussion about hypertrophy changes to one about intelligence and personality.

You are clearly not an expert because you wouldn't say silly things like "It's not rocket science..." The physiology of hypertrophy is as difficult as any other science.

What most trainees conclude is that building muscles is a simple process. Lift weights in a progressive fashion and voila, big muscles. Eat and supplement to fine tune.

If we look around in gyms we discover that only a very small percentage of bodybuilders get huge. So how do we explain this if it is not rocket science?

What I have been interested in over the last 60 years is to determine exactly what is necessary and sufficient to stimulate maximum muscular hypertrophy in humans.

When I read the common perception that bodybuilders merely have to do what works for them I am amused. The ignorance among weight trainers is wide spread and

very deep. I doubt any internet discussions are going to illuminate these souls.



And some here think Mentzer lost his mind. 

Well...he did.

You are doing nothing less than trying to make reality fit your emotions.  Sound familiar? It should. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on March 16, 2020, 08:31:14 PM
The curious thing about bodybuilding is the vast amount of information passed on in gyms and via the internet. A lot of the information isn't correct.

So what I try to do is distil the full theory of hypertrophy that explains all muscular growth...and non growth.

Since drugs are so prevalent among the pros and on Getbig I doubt training methods will improve much.

However, if we exclude drugs then it makes a big difference what theory you follow. At best most bodybuilders possess part of the truth.

Another problem is that bodybuilders may possess the right theory but their execution doesn't deliver the results.

In any system where there is movement complexity will result. The technology of hypertrophy is quite a difficult process to implement effectively and efficiently.


The truth sets some free.  Others it just causes to imprison themselves and then say someone else is responsible.  The door isn't locked, Vince. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on March 16, 2020, 08:36:04 PM
Interesting but sad how a discussion about hypertrophy changes to one about intelligence and personality.

You are clearly not an expert because you wouldn't say silly things like "It's not rocket science..." The physiology of hypertrophy is as difficult as any other science.

What most trainees conclude is that building muscles is a simple process. Lift weights in a progressive fashion and voila, big muscles. Eat and supplement to fine tune.

If we look around in gyms we discover that only a very small percentage of bodybuilders get huge. So how do we explain this if it is not rocket science?

What I have been interested in over the last 60 years is to determine exactly what is necessary and sufficient to stimulate maximum muscular hypertrophy in humans.

When I read the common perception that bodybuilders merely have to do what works for them I am amused. The ignorance among weight trainers is wide spread and

very deep. I doubt any internet discussions are going to illuminate these souls.



Basille if you are truly on a quest for knowledge pm me and we can discuss. Work to be done, little time to do it...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on March 16, 2020, 08:45:27 PM
"Until pigs fly you don't have to be a scientist to be a bodybuilder"-Jeff Everson. There have been very scientific bodybuilders and some who were dumb as rocks and both were successful. It really comes down to genetics, work ethic, some knowledge and drugs. No one really has the most efficient way to put on muscle. If we knew we all would be on the same exercise routine regarding splits, sets and reps. Amazing how some guys that profess to be training gurus look like they never trained in their life when they are off drugs. What we have is training theories and not facts. Empirical knowledge should never be dismissed. What we know is the overwhelming amount of bodybuilding champions have used volume. If getting stronger was the magic bullet we would all be training with sets of one rep. Building muscle is building muscular strength endurance for lack of a better term rather than building pure strength.
 

There's no issue finding top pro bbers that are as dumb as rocks lol....
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 16, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
pellius you dont find out that carlos got the first 300 because you dont want to believe it so you dont look.  it was 1978 mr international held in columbus along with the olympia. he won the lightweight with a perfct 300. this was before the universe when mentzer was gifted his win. and my saying things about people being lazy does not apply to everyone who wanted to train heavy duty. some actually busted their ass. it was for those that only heard they trained for 20 minutes 3 times a week so now they think thats all they need to do. go to the gym pump light weights talk rest get out in 20 minutes. and then say crap im training like mentzer why dont i grow.  and heres something else you and other report about dorian and mike but you leave out the real truth . DRUGS lots and lots of DRUGS.  steroids gh insulin ( yes mike used it) rec drugs( yes mike used lots) alcohol ( yes mike drank alot and often)  even casey viator (colorodo experiment lol  such crap) said he would sneak out and go train at another gym during that time cuz jones methods didnt cut it ( and yes casey got all his mass with volume first then got hurt got infections lost alot of weight and then did the experiment) and even though jones didnt want him using steroids he did without jones knowledge. and later on casey got into his best shape on the pro circuit using volume. ( like he always did)  BUT heres what people dont understand about volume. you do sets building up to a max weight for a certain amount of reps ( failure) its not 10 sets of easy weights.   yes you have to push the muscle past where its been before in order to achieve growth. either by weight reps rest or sets. and all these will work up to a point. just like an olympic sprinter. heres where mike was wrong ( as he was about so many other things) he thought his way and only his way forever. never change routines types do minimal warmups( i agree to a point) its kinda funny when mike lost in 77 to kal he said how losing doesnt effect him mentally he cant dwell on it he just has to come in better etc. ( or something like that) and then arnold wipes him out in 80 and mike descends into a drug fueled crazy that eventually cost him his job his girl ( cathy) his everything and then eventually his life. what mike failed to realize also is you cant go around talking crap about others trying to say yours is the best. arnold NEVER said such things. when he was asked about mike he would say that mike has found a way to train that suits him best .   and he was also right when he said people like mike an franco needed more exercises more sets etc to bring out the muscles in different ways. as an example heavy benches will build pecs but flyes and inclines and dips and declines will add to it . ( no not saying do these in every workout)  look at mike no chest all he did was inclines and pec deck . he had a rugged powerlifting look but not a top bodybuilder. lacked in to many departments.


Jeeze man, what is wrong with you? You really think I give a royal husky fuck that Carlos was the first to get a perfect score? You accuse me of wanting to argue but again you make unsubstantiated claims and insult me. Of course, I looked for any record of Carlo getting a perfect score and found none. Even his bio, which outlines his whole contest history and placings makes no mention of his perfect score. The first ever. You would think that would be mentioned somewhere other than one article in a magazine. If you can find a record other than one article written in a muscle mag then that will be evidence. There are countless mentions of Mentzer getting the first perfect score.

I try, I'm really, really trying to be more patient with the loud mouth retards on this board that would never talk like that if they weren't hiding behind a computer, but man, you sound like a real dick. Bringing in your phaggot imagery, telling me what you think I want to believe, and assuming things that are just patently wrong.

And the way you describe how most people train HIT is just ridiculous. The notion that HIT is pumping lightweights, talk, rest and then out in 20 minutes is just something you are just pulling out of your fat ass. The main thing that defines HIT is intensity. The one's that sit around talking, texting, watching
TV is the vast majority you see in the gyms every damn day. They're there day after day doing a half ass set for about 15 seconds and then sit there hogging the equipment for about two to three minutes before they sleepwalk through another set. Sure, they're in the gym for two hours and more but 85% of that time is doing nothing. Sitting just taking up space and getting in the way.

And what kind of made up nonsense is this that Mentzer was always saying he was the best and "arnold NEVER said such things"? (An exact quote complete with your barely literate and uneducated writing skills). Arnold never said he was the best? Really? And Mike was not a top bber? A Mr. Universe winner, winning his class at the Olympia in his first try, and being in the top five the next year with the best in the world? You've really reached a whole new level of abject stupidity. God, it's almost painful reading your second grade level of spelling, punctuation, and grammar and your torrential flow of idiocy. I've really got to stop wasting my time with uneducated morons like you that can't construct a simple sentence and a coherent thought. Have you ever read a book? Do you have an attention span that can last more than ten minutes?

And yes, they all used drugs. What's your point? Dorian used drugs just like Jay Cutler did but Dorian trained less, harder, and developed a whole new level of mass and conditioning.

I tell you what, put your money where your big mouth is at. I assume you are a volume trainer (and if you're not then you're just talking out of your ass). I train twice a week using the basic principles of Jones and Mentzer. We are both the same age. Way past our physical prime. But post a pic, no fancy poses, just a standing relax pic, and I'll do the same and let's see what all that time you've spent in the gym has done for you. Training six days a week, set after set, 2 hours a pop. A routine that means that your life has to revolved around bbing. Show me what all that time and effort has gotten you. And BTW, a recent pic. One taken either today or after with proof.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 16, 2020, 08:59:45 PM
Clearly Mike used that 300 score to suggest he had the perfect physique. Flawed thinking resulting from a flawed scoring system. Joe and Ben were desperate to get bodybuilding as an Olympic sport. So they tried to have a judging system more in line with other sports such as gymnastics and diving. Whoever came up with the details sure didn't do bodybuilding a favour. What resulted was a cumbersome process that didn't always select the best competitor.
Also, the system that evolved allowed 'adjustments' to be made after the judging. The posedown was scored. How on earth could that be scored with everyone doing different things? What it did allow was for corrections to be made
so that the right people won the contests....or rather, to make sure that the wrong people didn't win.
What we see today is that the head judge who selects the first call out for comparisons can tell the judges who is going to win by putting them in order. No wonder there are controversies.
The NABBA system that evolved in London was far superior and accepted by most bodybuilders with one or two exceptions. I remember when Sergio lost to Bill Pearl because his head was too small! On the other hand look at how many Mr Olympia contests were controversial. Way too many. 1980 and 1981 go down as two of the most controversial. 1981 definitely was way off what should have happened.
Getting back to the rounds scoring system. 3 rounds worth 20 points each. 5 judges times 60 points equals 300. So getting a 300 score meant that all the judges placed you first in each round. It didn't mean you were perfect.
Mike was a good writer so naturally used this score to promote himself as someone special.

Vince, you're a bbing historian. Is there any record of Carlos Rodriguez being the first to get a perfect score.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 16, 2020, 09:08:42 PM
You did well training your calves. Everyone on Ironage appreciated what you wrote about how you did it as 'Mark Twain'.

Most bodybuilders do too many exercises. Well, they fear muscles will shrink if they don't train them at least once a week.

I happen to be one of those lazy guys mentioned above. I was always looking for the bare minimum but maximum benefit way to train.

We both found some success by going way beyond what most people do. Yet, we must have been doing something similar otherwise

significant growth wouldn't have occurred.

I suggest you have a go at seeing if you can put an inch on your upper arms. My triceps respond the best. Well, I tore my right

biceps doing those stupid heavy dead lifts. My triceps today are bigger than ever which is a surprise as I am 77 and 1/2.

I do just two exercises for arms. I train once a week because I literally am not up to training that hard twice a week. So select an

effective exercise and have a go. I like to superset bis and tris. I get a good pump this way.

There is only one major difference in our training philosophy as we both believe in trying to achieve DOMS is that you believe that you should continue to train the muscle while it is still sore whereas I believe it should be fully recovered. With calves they would be sore for about two days. By the third day a little bit stiff but OK. The fourth day it would be back to normal. Then I would train it again on the fifth day.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 16, 2020, 09:26:23 PM
oh and one more thing. i do not post on here about homos. i never have and never will.  i posted that about him being your lover due to the extreme way your defending him. on this site people are always making every post either a gay post or they get way off topic on stuff. im not here to argue or anything im here to post facts. real facts.  first and foremost NO ONE deserves a 300 score because no one is perfect. however carlos was in fact the first and only 1 of 2 whom have ever achieved that goal. and no he didnt deserve it but he did deserve it a whole lot more than mike did. im done commenting on this subject so go ahead and say what you will ive proven my point stated facts and only facts. your the type of person that will continue arguing that 2+2 =5 just so you wont have to admit your wrong. eventually if you say something over and over eventually someone will believe you ( THATS WHY MENTZER KEEP TALKING ABOUT 1980 OLYMPIA) hoping he could get people to believe him. smh. up until the day he died he still wouldnt let it go.


"Extreme way of defending him"? Please post an example. And you claim you don't post about homos when in fact you just did. You're a fucking moron who needs a quick slap in the face. You obviously are a fan of Arnold. Many are. Many sing his well-deserved praises. I'm one of them. But never, ever, did it even remotely cross my mind that there was anything sexual about his admirers. But I am obviously of a different mindset and don't have phaggotry at the forefront of my mind as you do no matter what you claim as you just contradict yourself.

And buy a dictionary FFS, you sound like such a dunce.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 17, 2020, 05:53:48 AM
wow seems i really got someones panties in a bunch. just like how arnold "owned" mike when he said " we all know you lost the olympia to frank because you have a fat gut"  lmao.  mike lost it!! arnold remained calm and cool and let mike freak out and show people how mentally unstable he already was . smh.  its funny how when people are angry they react by being internet tuff guys. and no i do not train extreme volume but i do more than 1 set every 6months lol.  and why would i post pics of myself?  i have nothing to prove and i dont need a bunch of guys drooling over them  anyways.  once again you missed the point. i didnt say EVERYONE trained like i posted . some actually did and busted their asses.  it was the ones who were looking for an easy way ( 20 min 3x a week) you know the same type that buys every new workout system every new diet every new fad that comes out. always looking for an easy way. to do heavy duty the right way is all out pain . its not easy. very very few can and will do it for any length of time.  however does it work? just like any program it will. up to a point. everything works. up to a point.  one of the main reasons why you have off season training and pre contest training. ( well we did in the old days) different training routines to achieve different goals. if thats a pic of yourself than a big "well done" to you. your 10 pounds heavier than a concentration camp victim.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 17, 2020, 08:17:25 AM
also i said mike was always saying"his type of training "was best. he was always putting arnolds type down every chance he could. and arnold never once said "his was the best" and when people would ask him about mikes way of training arnold never bad mouthed him. he would just say that "mike found a way that works for him".  so i never said mike said he was best or arnold saying he was best. it was about training systems. and yes arnold did in fact say people like mike and franco who were built from always using heavier weights would look better if they would do more sets more exercises with a bit lighter weights. (not switch forever but for awhile) that their muscles would "pop" more.  as an example. look at some powerlifters. very big muscular and blocky. they usually train basic and heavy day in and day out ( i said usually before you start crying about that too) they have the foundation now if they would train differently for a bit they could have a better look( but powerlifters dont care about the look they just want to be strong) bodybuilders who always use heavy weights and basic exercises etc can look great but when they pose their muscles dont change much( pop)  so when posing mentzers puny 18 5/8th arm ( at his biggest) would look like a twig ( and it did) next to arnolds 21 plus inch arm . and i dont care how my writing looks this isnt school and i dont get graded on this. if your that picky than that just shows how insecure and borderline mental retarded you are( and i dont mean to offend those that are by putting you in the same category as this ass clown) you train your way i will train mine 45 minutes to an hour a day 4 days a week each bodypart twice a week with the last set of each exercise to failure and sometimes beyond. that way i dont burn out my cns and go bat shit crazy like mike and pellius. smh.  like haney says "stimulate dont annihilate"
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on March 17, 2020, 09:49:18 AM
There is only one major difference in our training philosophy as we both believe in trying to achieve DOMS is that you believe that you should continue to train the muscle while it is still sore whereas I believe it should be fully recovered. With calves they would be sore for about two days. By the third day a little bit stiff but OK. The fourth day it would be back to normal. Then I would train it again on the fifth day.

Doms does not tell you if a muscle has recovered or not. It indicates lactic acid burn and nothing else. I dont always get sore after i train but i see consistent results.

Fwiw abs forearms calves need 24 hours biceps triceps deltoids need 48 chest lats quads hams traps need 72 and not more.

The smaller muscles in the midback and upper midback presumably need 48 but since you cannot really isolate them 72 is a safe bet.

Trust me, young grasshopper, you can safely work a sore muscle provided its gotten the required number hours of rest assuming you eat and sleep enough.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 17, 2020, 12:44:55 PM
very well said methyl mike.   when i was younger i thought you had to get sore to get results. and should wait until soreness was gone before training again etc. then one day i was holding my baby nephew. i was stiff and holding tight as i was scared to drop him etc. then for 3 days after wards i was so sore in my bicep. i mean more sore than any weight training ever did.  now did i do muscle damage? did i explode with growth?   no freaking way. being sore was a way that my body told me i did something i wasnt used to had nothing to do with building muscles. in fact i have found that if i do train when i am sore the soreness goes away much quicker. ( removal of waste products and helping to heal etc)   so you are right about doms. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 17, 2020, 02:13:27 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 17, 2020, 11:06:54 PM
wow seems i really got someones panties in a bunch. just like how arnold "owned" mike when he said " we all know you lost the olympia to frank because you have a fat gut"  lmao.  mike lost it!! arnold remained calm and cool and let mike freak out and show people how mentally unstable he already was . smh.  its funny how when people are angry they react by being internet tuff guys. and no i do not train extreme volume but i do more than 1 set every 6months lol.  and why would i post pics of myself?  i have nothing to prove and i dont need a bunch of guys drooling over them  anyways.  once again you missed the point. i didnt say EVERYONE trained like i posted . some actually did and busted their asses.  it was the ones who were looking for an easy way ( 20 min 3x a week) you know the same type that buys every new workout system every new diet every new fad that comes out. always looking for an easy way. to do heavy duty the right way is all out pain . its not easy. very very few can and will do it for any length of time.  however does it work? just like any program it will. up to a point. everything works. up to a point.  one of the main reasons why you have off season training and pre contest training. ( well we did in the old days) different training routines to achieve different goals. if thats a pic of yourself than a big "well done" to you. your 10 pounds heavier than a concentration camp victim.

Just as I expected. It's always the same decades old excuse from the anonymous loud mouth with a preoccupation with phaggotry, "I don't have anything to prove." And the even more laughable, "I don't want a bunch of guys drooling over me." Sure, you lecture and preach to others about training protocols but have nothing to back it up. And your phaggot inspired fantasy that anyone would possible "drool" over your old, blading, wrinkled, flaccid image is beyond laughable. LOL you silly old queer. You have zero evidence that anyone switched to HIT because they were looking for an easy way when the hallmark of HIT is pushing yourself to the limit and beyond. Casey, whether he was on drugs or not, trained 3 days a week for just over twenty minutes a session. You would have died of a heart attack five minutes in.

And it is again so tiresome and typical that the biggest critics of other's physique's are the faceless cowards like you hiding behind a keyboard that would never show themselves because they know they would be laughed off this board. This is a bbing board and anyone with a halfway decent physique, even at an advance age like Wes and Coach, shows and proves what their hard work has accomplished. You have nothing to show which is not surprising since you seem not to know much about resistance training.

You started with the personal insults so quit your whining you little bitch.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 17, 2020, 11:25:11 PM
also i said mike was always saying"his type of training "was best. he was always putting arnolds type down every chance he could. and arnold never once said "his was the best" and when people would ask him about mikes way of training arnold never bad mouthed him. he would just say that "mike found a way that works for him".  so i never said mike said he was best or arnold saying he was best. it was about training systems. and yes arnold did in fact say people like mike and franco who were built from always using heavier weights would look better if they would do more sets more exercises with a bit lighter weights. (not switch forever but for awhile) that their muscles would "pop" more.  as an example. look at some powerlifters. very big muscular and blocky. they usually train basic and heavy day in and day out ( i said usually before you start crying about that too) they have the foundation now if they would train differently for a bit they could have a better look( but powerlifters dont care about the look they just want to be strong) bodybuilders who always use heavy weights and basic exercises etc can look great but when they pose their muscles dont change much( pop)  so when posing mentzers puny 18 5/8th arm ( at his biggest) would look like a twig ( and it did) next to arnolds 21 plus inch arm . and i dont care how my writing looks this isnt school and i dont get graded on this. if your that picky than that just shows how insecure and borderline mental retarded you are( and i dont mean to offend those that are by putting you in the same category as this ass clown) you train your way i will train mine 45 minutes to an hour a day 4 days a week each bodypart twice a week with the last set of each exercise to failure and sometimes beyond. that way i dont burn out my cns and go bat shit crazy like mike and pellius. smh.  like haney says "stimulate dont annihilate"

You really are not a very intelligent and thinking person. Of course, Mentzer thought his training protocols were the best. Just like Arnold, Cutler, Coleman, and every other serious competitive bber does. If they didn't think it was optimal they would do something else.  How can you be such a clueless moron? And Mike didn't criticize "Arnold's" training per se but volume training in general. Arnold, being the number one bber in the world was the prime example. If so many people trained like Arnold how come so few come even close to Arnold? Other than hard core gyms like Gold's Venice and Bev's Powerhouse, just take a look at everybody in the average commercial gym slaving away day after day doing set after set. The vast majority of them don't even look like they have ever lifted a weight in their life. Take a look at yourself and make an honest assessment. Do you think that if a person saw you at the beach or pool they would comment on how good and in shape you look? I'm far from stage ready fodder and you might think I look like a concentration camp survivor but I get complimented all the time. A solid six-pack does it every time. Something you haven't had in decades if ever.

And it's utter nonsense that training heavy doesn't give your muscles the "pop" that doing more sets and training lighter does. I know Arnold said that about Franco (though never said that about Mentzer. I don't even think he even bothered to comment on Mike and give him any notoriety. Just more made up bull shit from you.) but he was wrong. Just like he was wrong that concentration curls will give you a bicep peak and wide grip lat pulldowns will give you width anymore than a narrow grip. How your muscles develop and look is purely genetic and has nothing to do with how you train. Now tell me how Coleman's muscles didn't "pop" because he always trained so heavy? You seem to know very little about bbing and resistance training. Proven by what you write and how you look.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 17, 2020, 11:37:52 PM
also i said mike was always saying"his type of training "was best. he was always putting arnolds type down every chance he could. and arnold never once said "his was the best" and when people would ask him about mikes way of training arnold never bad mouthed him. he would just say that "mike found a way that works for him".  so i never said mike said he was best or arnold saying he was best. it was about training systems. and yes arnold did in fact say people like mike and franco who were built from always using heavier weights would look better if they would do more sets more exercises with a bit lighter weights. (not switch forever but for awhile) that their muscles would "pop" more.  as an example. look at some powerlifters. very big muscular and blocky. they usually train basic and heavy day in and day out ( i said usually before you start crying about that too) they have the foundation now if they would train differently for a bit they could have a better look( but powerlifters dont care about the look they just want to be strong) bodybuilders who always use heavy weights and basic exercises etc can look great but when they pose their muscles dont change much( pop)  so when posing mentzers puny 18 5/8th arm ( at his biggest) would look like a twig ( and it did) next to arnolds 21 plus inch arm . and i dont care how my writing looks this isnt school and i dont get graded on this. if your that picky than that just shows how insecure and borderline mental retarded you are( and i dont mean to offend those that are by putting you in the same category as this ass clown) you train your way i will train mine 45 minutes to an hour a day 4 days a week each bodypart twice a week with the last set of each exercise to failure and sometimes beyond. that way i dont burn out my cns and go bat shit crazy like mike and pellius. smh.  like haney says "stimulate dont annihilate"

BTW, another typical worn-out cliche about one's insecurities. Trying to tie that in with your lack of literacy and education. Yes, it isn't school, something you should have put more effort in. And you're not being graded? You don't think how a person speaks and writes is a reflection on that person? Of course, you don't. That's why you write and sound like an ignoramus. Is that how you raised your children? To be part of the ever-growing masses that can't string a coherent sentence together or add a few numbers without a calculator.

And what a clown and a phony you are. Here you are preaching volume training and accusing others of being lazy when you yourself are too lazy to practice what you preach. Ask yourself, "Why are you overweight?" There's only one reason, you are on a caloric surplus. You eat more calories than you burn so you have a fat sagging stomach even without insulin. In other words, you are self-indulgent and lazy. It would be more accurate to choose the name "fatbychoice". (Note I didn't spell it "fatbychoices". "Choices" LOL! Just another example of what an uneducated, illiterate buffoon you are).

But by all means, keep lecturing me on the secrets of attaining such an awesome physique.

"Burning out your CNS." Oh brother, you don't even know what that means nor have you ever come close to it.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 18, 2020, 12:16:05 AM
Doms does not tell you if a muscle has recovered or not. It indicates lactic acid burn and nothing else. I dont always get sore after i train but i see consistent results.

Fwiw abs forearms calves need 24 hours biceps triceps deltoids need 48 chest lats quads hams traps need 72 and not more.

The smaller muscles in the midback and upper midback presumably need 48 but since you cannot really isolate them 72 is a safe bet.

Trust me, young grasshopper, you can safely work a sore muscle provided its gotten the required number hours of rest assuming you eat and sleep enough.

Gee, if only I had trained my calves every three days while it was still sore instead of every five days I might have put on five inches on my calves instead of just almost four inches on a bodypart that is universally considered virtually unresponsive to resistance training.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 18, 2020, 12:33:33 AM
very well said methyl mike.   when i was younger i thought you had to get sore to get results. and should wait until soreness was gone before training again etc. then one day i was holding my baby nephew. i was stiff and holding tight as i was scared to drop him etc. then for 3 days after wards i was so sore in my bicep. i mean more sore than any weight training ever did.  now did i do muscle damage? did i explode with growth?   no freaking way. being sore was a way that my body told me i did something i wasnt used to had nothing to do with building muscles. in fact i have found that if i do train when i am sore the soreness goes away much quicker. ( removal of waste products and helping to heal etc)   so you are right about doms. 

I never said that DOMS per se was a necessary condition for muscle hypertrophy. Just like a rapid heart rate and heavy breathing is not necessarily an indication of aerobic or anaerobic activity. My heart rate goes up just by sitting in traffic and I can start breathing heavily just by being angry. None of that will improve my physical condition. Muscles can grow just by eating more or in the case of one of my nephews who never touched a weight in his life grew big legs just by growing up.

DOMS for me was an indication that I did something to that muscle that it was not use to. A stress it was unaccustomed to which I believe is more likely to stimulate an adaptive response. Why would it adapt to something it was already use to?

One of the principles of Arthur Jones was to do the minimum amount necessary to stimulate this adaptive response. If you can get that adaptive response with one set and get that same response with three sets, why do three? As Jones' said, "It is wasted effort at best and counterproductive at worse."

When I trained six days a week it made no difference in my physique when I cut back to four. Again it made no difference when I cut back to three. And it still hasn't made a difference when I cut back to two. The only real difference is that I am able to live a more fulfilling life because I have more time to other things then just slave away at the gym six days a week, month after month, year after year, like I see the majority people that I've known for years and they don't even look like they lift at all.

I don't think my calves would have improved one iota if I trained them every two or three days instead of every five day. So why do more if it makes no difference?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: njflex on March 18, 2020, 06:48:40 AM
You really are not a very intelligent and thinking person. Of course, Mentzer thought his training protocols were the best. Just like Arnold, Cutler, Coleman, and every other serious competitive bber does. If they didn't think it was optimal they would do something else.  How can you be such a clueless moron? And Mike didn't criticize "Arnold's" training per se but volume training in general. Arnold, being the number one bber in the world was the prime example. If so many people trained like Arnold how come so few come even close to Arnold? Other than hard core gyms like Gold's Venice and Bev's Powerhouse, just take a look at everybody in the average commercial gym slaving away day after day doing set after set. The vast majority of them don't even look like they have ever lifted a weight in their life. Take a look at yourself and make an honest assessment. Do you think that if a person saw you at the beach or pool they would comment on how good and in shape you look? I'm far from stage ready fodder and you might think I look like a concentration camp survivor but I get complimented all the time. A solid six-pack does it every time. Something you haven't had in decades if ever.

And it's utter nonsense that training heavy doesn't give your muscles the "pop" that doing more sets and training lighter does. I know Arnold said that about Franco (though never said that about Mentzer. I don't even think he even bothered to comment on Mike and give him any notoriety. Just more made up bull shit from you.) but he was wrong. Just like he was wrong that concentration curls will give you a bicep peak and wide grip lat pulldowns will give you width anymore than a narrow grip. How your muscles develop and look is purely genetic and has nothing to do with how you train. Now tell me how Coleman's muscles didn't "pop" because he always trained so heavy? You seem to know very little about bbing and resistance training. Proven by what you write and how you look.
PELLIUS,,good posts man and again genetics and response to all the factors needed to develope a well rounded physique .whether its personal or stage physique it takes years and years of cycles to attain and maintain the highest level build.but normal folk like us for most part here can get a great build especially after doing it 10 or more years pretty easy and maintained just through good eating and  proper training and rest.the 'pop'the fullness/extreme look need is all drugs and more for long time/lenghts .not that you don't that already......
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 18, 2020, 07:14:20 AM
and yet we still have a person continue with the name calling and insults. smh.  its kinda funny how jones and mentzer always said do the bare minimum to stimulate growth.  ( which i do agree with) however when looking at their "1 set to failure" idea why did they want to go so deep into failure? why not stop at just positive failure? that would be the minimum wouldnt it? why the negative failure? why the static failure? why the forced reps?  hmm it looks like they actually did way much more than just going to the minimum? anyways enough about a has been mentzer. genetics is the single most determining factor in bodybuilding. period.  everything else is important of course but nothing fixes bad genetics. take all the drugs you want but if your receptors dont  take them what good is it?    train whatever way works for you. gymnasts train hours a day and they have very muscular bodies ( no heavy duty there lol ) track sprinters train hours a day and have very muscular bodies ( again no heavy duty)  football players workout with weights and do ungodly preseason training and are muscular( no heavy duty). the list goes on and on. pellius if you found something that works for you than great. thats what we are all here trying to do. become the best we can. not everything works for everybody. THERE IS NO ONE WAY TO TRAIN.  name calling and putting people down is just childish.  arguing when wrong is just childish ( and stupid too) .
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 18, 2020, 11:50:18 PM
and yet we still have a person continue with the name calling and insults. smh.  its kinda funny how jones and mentzer always said do the bare minimum to stimulate growth.  ( which i do agree with) however when looking at their "1 set to failure" idea why did they want to go so deep into failure? why not stop at just positive failure? that would be the minimum wouldnt it? why the negative failure? why the static failure? why the forced reps?  hmm it looks like they actually did way much more than just going to the minimum? anyways enough about a has been mentzer. genetics is the single most determining factor in bodybuilding. period.  everything else is important of course but nothing fixes bad genetics. take all the drugs you want but if your receptors dont  take them what good is it?    train whatever way works for you. gymnasts train hours a day and they have very muscular bodies ( no heavy duty there lol ) track sprinters train hours a day and have very muscular bodies ( again no heavy duty)  football players workout with weights and do ungodly preseason training and are muscular( no heavy duty). the list goes on and on. pellius if you found something that works for you than great. thats what we are all here trying to do. become the best we can. not everything works for everybody. THERE IS NO ONE WAY TO TRAIN.  name calling and putting people down is just childish.  arguing when wrong is just childish ( and stupid too) .

First of all, you started with the personal insults and now whine when it comes back at you.

I'm going to give you another chance and answer you in a civil manner as you have brought one good point. Why employ intensity variables? Why not just stop at positive failure? Mike Mentzer brought up a similar argument except on the other side. Why stop at three sets? Why not do five sets? Ten sets? How about sixty set squats that Arnold did in the early days?

The argument and theory proposed was that a muscle has to be subjected to a level of stress it is not accustomed to. It will not respond to a stress that it is already used to. That's where the idea of progression is paramount. No one really talked about that back in the seventies. It's was always about getting a pump and doing more. Not with Jones. He said you should always attempt the "momentary impossible". If you fail at 8 reps the last time you have to try for the 9th. At some point, that level of intensity isn't enough. Say you are pushing 200 pounds for those 8 reps but fail at the 9th. That just means you are no longer able to push 200 pounds but maybe you can still push 194 pounds for the next rep, and maybe 188 lbs for the next. Which you can do with the aid of a spotter or some machines that will allow you do it. To force out those reps beyond positive failure. Forced reps. Doing this "digs deeper" into the muscle, "inroads" as Brian David Johnston put it. Intensity is increased and the muscle is subjected to a new unaccustomed stimulus.

But isn't more sets an "unaccustomed stimulus"? Sure, but is it conducive to muscle hypertrophy? Just like running longer at a slow pace will condition your body for endurance but will your muscles get bigger and stronger? No, extended aerobic activity has a catabolic effect on your body. It is forming itself to adapt to the extended levels of aerobic activity you are subjecting it to. Great muscle mass isn't going to help you in that respect. Being smaller and having less muscle to oxygenate makes it easier to extend aerobic activity. As Jones would say, no amount of low-intensity training will compensate for lack of intensity. And a high amount of high-intensity training will overwhelm your recovery abilities. You will sap too much of you energy that has other priorities other than building a 20-inch arm to take care of first.

Yes, gymnasts and sprinters train hours a day doing anaerobic activities and they are muscular. They are muscular because of this high-intensity short burst of energy and they do it for an extended period of time. So though they are muscular they are not bbing muscular. They train too much and burn too many calories to support great muscle mass and they don't do the very specific resistant type training that is necessary to build the extreme muscle mass of a bodybuilder. Remember, bbers are not athletes and nowhere where will you find in any sport that requires physical endurance and agility built like anybody on the stage at the last Arnold. You may find some great physiques in many sports but not bbing level physiques. A bodybuilder is a very specialize showpiece.   

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on March 19, 2020, 12:07:21 AM
BTW, of course, there is no one way to train. That's obvious. People are doing all sorts of things. You see many styles of training and the only challenge I see is trying to determine which one is the worse. Right now Cross Fit is on the top of my list.

But when it comes to general principles there does in fact exist one optimal way to train that applies to everybody. I'm not saying that there is one specific training protocol that applies to everyone but one general training principle that applies to everyone. Although everybody likes to say, "We're all different", that is true in that we are unique in specifics. That's obvious by just looking at each other. But biologically we are all virtually identical. We all function in the same way. We all have a heart, lungs, kidneys, use oxygen, process carbohydrates protein, fats the same way varying only in specifics. If that wasn't the case medical science couldn't possibly exist. If we all operated differently we'd have to reinvent the wheel every time we try to treat a person.
For example, if you have a bacterial infection you get treated with an antibiotic. You and everybody else. In my case, I am allergic to Penicillin so
I am given Tetracylince instead. The specifics vary, in my case Tetracycline; the general principle, being treated with an antibiotic, applies to everybody.

Though we have our differences I always give credit where credit is due regardless of my personal feelings and on this board only Vince Basile has
tried to make this point. If a training principle is true, it is true for everybody.
In the case of training where the three factors: duration, frequency, and intensity may vary someone depending on a variety of factors but how it is applied will be the same for everyone.

There are many ways to train but there is only one optimal way to train. We just haven't found it yet though we've improved considerably since Arnold's heyday.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on March 20, 2020, 03:30:50 AM
Some people had the top 6 as followed :


Dickersons condition was on point there.
Sadly, he  is in critical condition now.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on March 20, 2020, 06:53:47 AM
Dickerson could get ripped and he held that condition for months.He trained very light alot of sets and reps and very little rest between sets. He competed in every grand prix show ( i believe). I never liked his physique personally. I never seen how he could win but again he was one of those guys that looked good by himself. I never thought he was in proportion his shape just looked odd. And he was a small man too. But he did very well. Its sad to know hes not doing well nowdays but it happens to us all.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 20, 2020, 07:09:20 AM
Dickerson could get ripped and he held that condition for months.He trained very light alot of sets and reps and very little rest between sets. He competed in every grand prix show ( i believe). I never liked his physique personally. I never seen how he could win but again he was one of those guys that looked good by himself. I never thought he was in proportion his shape just looked odd. And he was a small man too. But he did very well. Its sad to know hes not doing well nowdays but it happens to us all.




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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on March 20, 2020, 08:38:38 AM
Some people had the top 6 as followed :



Only those that have bad eyesight.
Also I’m sure many had varying Top 6 order
The only important one was the Judges Top 6.

Ifs & Buts - If My aunty Had wheels she’d be a Bicycle
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on April 04, 2020, 05:56:37 PM
1980MO ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on April 06, 2020, 05:39:20 AM
1980 studio shot ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on April 06, 2020, 07:03:19 AM
1980MO ;D

destroying them, they all look like also rans...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 06, 2020, 01:17:58 PM
You did well training your calves. Everyone on Ironage appreciated what you wrote about how you did it as 'Mark Twain'.

Most bodybuilders do too many exercises. Well, they fear muscles will shrink if they don't train them at least once a week.

I happen to be one of those lazy guys mentioned above. I was always looking for the bare minimum but maximum benefit way to train.

We both found some success by going way beyond what most people do. Yet, we must have been doing something similar otherwise

significant growth wouldn't have occurred.

I suggest you have a go at seeing if you can put an inch on your upper arms. My triceps respond the best. Well, I tore my right

biceps doing those stupid heavy dead lifts. My triceps today are bigger than ever which is a surprise as I am 77 and 1/2.

I do just two exercises for arms. I train once a week because I literally am not up to training that hard twice a week. So select an

effective exercise and have a go. I like to superset bis and tris. I get a good pump this way.

Im sorry I have to ask what in the FUCK machine is that? I mean thats a bit much to isolate what your long head of your triceps? Which is also hit with 100 other much simpler exercises?

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: AbrahamG on April 06, 2020, 11:30:58 PM
Gee, if only I had trained my calves every three days while it was still sore instead of every five days I might have put on five inches on my calves instead of just almost four inches on a bodypart that is universally considered virtually unresponsive to resistance training.


I'm a lazy fuck tonight.  Direct me to your calf protocol.  Very impressive.  I have always struggled with calves and admittedly, they still suck.  But, they've improved more in the last 5 years training them Palumbo style than they did the 1st 25.  Dave recommended training calves twice a week.  2 exercises per calf workout and only one set of each til failure using a weight that you can get at least 15 reps.  I add a 3rd exercise so I'm doing basically 3 sets of 15 twice a week. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 07, 2020, 01:02:43 AM
I never said that DOMS per se was a necessary condition for muscle hypertrophy. Just like a rapid heart rate and heavy breathing is not necessarily an indication of aerobic or anaerobic activity. My heart rate goes up just by sitting in traffic and I can start breathing heavily just by being angry. None of that will improve my physical condition. Muscles can grow just by eating more or in the case of one of my nephews who never touched a weight in his life grew big legs just by growing up.

DOMS for me was an indication that I did something to that muscle that it was not use to. A stress it was unaccustomed to which I believe is more likely to stimulate an adaptive response. Why would it adapt to something it was already use to?

One of the principles of Arthur Jones was to do the minimum amount necessary to stimulate this adaptive response. If you can get that adaptive response with one set and get that same response with three sets, why do three? As Jones' said, "It is wasted effort at best and counterproductive at worse."

When I trained six days a week it made no difference in my physique when I cut back to four. Again it made no difference when I cut back to three. And it still hasn't made a difference when I cut back to two. The only real difference is that I am able to live a more fulfilling life because I have more time to other things then just slave away at the gym six days a week, month after month, year after year, like I see the majority people that I've known for years and they don't even look like they lift at all.

I don't think my calves would have improved one iota if I trained them every two or three days instead of every five day. So why do more if it makes no difference?


Not really the thread for this discussion. Anyway, let's talk about frequency of training the same muscle. According to Hypertrophy Specific Training they recommend training after there is no more protein synthesis following a serious workout. This synthesis apparently diminishes after about 36 hours. Thus, they recommended training the muscle every 48 hours or every two days. In practice this was three days a week.
The other consideration was recovery. According to The Stress of Life by Hans Selye he recommended training a muscle after it had recovered. Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones both embraced this recommendation. Thus Mike would often train each muscle once a week.

Clearly this is what Pellius did for his calf growth. He says, "So why do more if it makes no difference?" Well, did he try training more frequently? If not then he literally has no idea about frequency except to do as Selye suggests.
Why train more frequently? Simple to avoid the repeated bout effect. If you wait until a muscle totally recovers you then have to do something much more intensive, etc., the next time you train.
An analogy is lifting a heavy truck tire. It takes a big effort to lift that tire but hardly any to keep it rolling along. If protein stops being synthesised about 48 hours it makes sense to train shortly afterwards.

How soon should that next workout be?
A slight diversion into pinch gripping. I had contests at my gym for pinch gripping. This led to my designing and building two pinch grip machines. Before a contest I would train for a couple of months. What I discovered was that the ideal
rest period was 2 days. That meant training every 3rd day. If I trained sooner I didn't make any progress in the amount I could lift. So every 3rd day it was. The training paid off because I lifted 92.5 kg with one hand on my pinch grip
machine. I claim that to be a world record. I just hoped this frequency was also applicable to hypertrophy.

In 1999 I trained arms and calves for a month. I trained them every 3 rd day without missing a workout. In that 30 days I trained 10 times. I gained over an inch on both arms and calves. Unfortunately I accumulated injuries because of two things. I had contact with my elbows during the triceps extensions....that caused the protective sheath to become inflamed so training ceased. I was doing ballistic bounces for calves for many many sets with up to 700 pounds. Those
bounces are not recommended because the Achilles tendons got inflamed.

Exercise selection is extremely important because some exercises work only up to a point...such as triceps press downs. Good for a warm up but not for maximising hypertrophy.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 07, 2020, 02:41:42 AM
I'm a lazy fuck tonight.  Direct me to your calf protocol.  Very impressive.  I have always struggled with calves and admittedly, they still suck.  But, they've improved more in the last 5 years training them Palumbo style than they did the 1st 25.  Dave recommended training calves twice a week.  2 exercises per calf workout and only one set of each til failure using a weight that you can get at least 15 reps.  I add a 3rd exercise so I'm doing basically 3 sets of 15 twice a week. 

Everything was outlined on the Ironage site. We're talking 25 years ago. I can't remember everything I did. But I'm not sure it matters. Only the principles which is to do something that your muscle is not use to. I had to keep thinking of ways to increase intensity and stress stimulus. There was no such thing as this number of sets and this number of reps. I trained the calves one leg at a time using only a dictionary and door jam to manually help with forced reps, static holds, and negatives. I, in a sense, only did one set but sometimes that "set" would take as long as ten minutes. Burns, rest-pause, negatives, static holds, extreme stretching. But it didn't start out like that. I gave up on calves and didn't want to waste time in the gym doing them. I just started doing them at home barefoot on a dictionary just to keep tone and flexibility because I have heel spurs. So I started with just a traditional set and notice a slight improvement. I think it was because I was doing them bare-footed which gave a very different feel. More complete and natural and more freedom of movement then when my feet was confined in a shoe. Then I added forced reps, then negatives, then rest-pause, then partials/burns, then partials/burns as my "rest pause" in which I would do another forced rep. I also got a different feel doing it on the flat floor using my toes to grip the floor, then go back to the dictionary and stretch and do more partials then explode to the top helping myself by pulling up on the door jam. When I say explode I'm only trying to explode but my calves were so fatigued that there were no explosive jerk movements. As A. Jones said, you are less likely to injure yourself (provided form is sound which is easy with calves) because your muscle gets weaker with each successive rep. So as you progress through a set intensity goes up but force generated goes down. You're too weak to injure yourself. So it would be partials up and down psyching myself for the big forced rep. Up and down, muscle burning like hell, building up to the big explosion where I would try to generate as much force as possible.

I would not be able to duplicate that routine if I had to. I'm not sure I would have tried in the first place if I knew what was in store. It was a crazy, disturbing period in my life. To be so obsessed with a calf muscle. I'm reminded every time I look at my right calf. The little lump where it tore and the muscle bunched up. BBers in the gym think it looks cool and someone told me the day when I was at the Vitamin Shoppe that it looked like pro-level calves but to most normal people it looks like I have a tumor. They always say something like, "What happened to your leg?" When I worked at the hardware store sometimes a customer will ask one of the other employees what happened to that guy's leg. To most people it doesn't look developed, it looks deformed. I wish there was some way to go in there and shave off an inch or so to make it look more normal. But then it would leave a scar.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 07, 2020, 03:01:17 AM

Not really the thread for this discussion. Anyway, let's talk about frequency of training the same muscle. According to Hypertrophy Specific Training they recommend training after there is no more protein synthesis following a serious workout. This synthesis apparently diminishes after about 36 hours. Thus, they recommended training the muscle every 48 hours or every two days. In practice this was three days a week.
The other consideration was recovery. According to The Stress of Life by Hans Selye he recommended training a muscle after it had recovered. Mike Mentzer and Arthur Jones both embraced this recommendation. Thus Mike would often train each muscle once a week.

Clearly this is what Pellius did for his calf growth. He says, "So why do more if it makes no difference?" Well, did he try training more frequently? If not then he literally has no idea about frequency except to do as Selye suggests.
Why train more frequently? Simple to avoid the repeated bout effect. If you wait until a muscle totally recovers you then have to do something much more intensive, etc., the next time you train.
An analogy is lifting a heavy truck tire. It takes a big effort to lift that tire but hardly any to keep it rolling along. If protein stops being synthesised about 48 hours it makes sense to train shortly afterwards.

How soon should that next workout be?
A slight diversion into pinch gripping. I had contests at my gym for pinch gripping. This led to my designing and building two pinch grip machines. Before a contest I would train for a couple of months. What I discovered was that the ideal
rest period was 2 days. That meant training every 3rd day. If I trained sooner I didn't make any progress in the amount I could lift. So every 3rd day it was. The training paid off because I lifted 92.5 kg with one hand on my pinch grip
machine. I claim that to be a world record. I just hoped this frequency was also applicable to hypertrophy.

In 1999 I trained arms and calves for a month. I trained them every 3 rd day without missing a workout. In that 30 days I trained 10 times. I gained over an inch on both arms and calves. Unfortunately I accumulated injuries because of two things. I had contact with my elbows during the triceps extensions....that caused the protective sheath to become inflamed so training ceased. I was doing ballistic bounces for calves for many many sets with up to 700 pounds. Those
bounces are not recommended because the Achilles tendons got inflamed.

Exercise selection is extremely important because some exercises work only up to a point...such as triceps press downs. Good for a warm up but not for maximising hypertrophy.

I use to train calves six days a week. It did nothing. I'd sometimes go as high as twenty sets. After trying every conceivable routine that's when I decided to just not waste my time anymore. I was just going to live with 13-inch calves. There's worse fates in life.

To stimulate an adaptive response you HAVE to do something more intensive than the previous session. Do something that you haven't done before. As Jones' put it, "Attempt the momentary impossible." So, to be able to generate as much force as possible, as much muscle contraction as possible, your muscle has to be fully recovered. If you were going to compete in a powerlifting tournament you wouldn't train the day before or even two days before. You want to make sure you are fully rested and fully recovered so that you can perform your best. Same principle. When doing a workout you want to be able to put the maximum amount of stress and load on your muscle and the muscle can only perform optimally when it is fully recovered.

There is zero doubt in my mind that I would have improved one iota if I increased frequency. It only would have made the training that much more miserable if I continued to try to do that kind of routine when I wasn't refreshed and primed to push myself to a level that I hadn't done before. It sometimes was as short as three days but it was usually around the 5th day when I was all psyched up and ready to go.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 07, 2020, 04:50:28 AM
I use to train calves six days a week. It did nothing. I'd sometimes go as high as twenty sets. After trying every conceivable routine that's when I decided to just not waste my time anymore. I was just going to live with 13-inch calves. There's worse fates in life.

To stimulate an adaptive response you HAVE to do something more intensive than the previous session. Do something that you haven't done before. As Jones' put it, "Attempt the momentary impossible." So, to be able to generate as much force as possible, as much muscle contraction as possible, your muscle has to be fully recovered. If you were going to compete in a powerlifting tournament you wouldn't train the day before or even two days before. You want to make sure you are fully rested and fully recovered so that you can perform your best. Same principle. When doing a workout you want to be able to put the maximum amount of stress and load on your muscle and the muscle can only perform optimally when it is fully recovered.

There is zero doubt in my mind that I would have improved one iota if I increased frequency. It only would have made the training that much more miserable if I continued to try to do that kind of routine when I wasn't refreshed and primed to push myself to a level that I hadn't done before. It sometimes was as short as three days but it was usually around the 5th day when I was all psyched up and ready to go.


The consideration that I also took into account was how swimmers and track athletes trained. They train daily and still manage to improve. How is that possible if what you say is true? Would you discard decades of experience and train the swimmers and sprinters every 5th day? Well, I doubt any swimming coach would even entertain that protocol. The point is how come they improve if they train hard daily for years? I know they taper off before competitions but daily training seems to be what everyone does.

If one is growing rapidly the euphoria is substantial. In 1999 I was running to the gym for those brutal workouts...pain and all. I knew I would keep growing. I got quite strong over the month in arms and calves.
Would I have grown as much had I followed your protocol? I don't think so. It is a pity that scientists haven't solved these problems. It would be refreshing to know for sure exactly what to do. I don't subscribe to the notion that
everyone is different. Well, there are individual differences of course even re fibre composition. However the theory of hypertrophy has to take differences into account and provide a theory that is applicable to everyone who trains.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on April 07, 2020, 04:54:41 AM
I use to read everything Arthur Jones wrote back in the day. I still have his original book that was put together with staples. Having said that I don't idolize him like those who passionately follow high intensity almost like a religion. In truth he spent most of his adult life weighing around 145lbs severely out of shape. I know his followers like to pull out pictures where he claimed to be 205lbs for a brief period in his life. When he first broke on the scene with his machines he was a little out of shape guy that liked to bully people with a gun on his hip.  His cam had no science behind it and when challenged he appeared to hire a math teacher who put out mathematical formulas with no values attached that amounted to gibberish in relevance to the topic at hand. One thing I will say about the cams is that the strength curve was correct for many exercises in that it got harder going toward full extension. Having said that some of his machines to this day are the best in the business.  His Med X machines are the smoothest machines going and a lot of very competent engineering was involved.

HIT guys like to say if volume was the correct way to train why aren't there more Arnolds in the gym. A complete incomprehensible illogical statement. The same can be said if reversed for HIT. The truth is there have been more successful athletes and bodybuilders using multiple sets than those using machines and single sets.

Many of the claimed success stories of  HIT are bull shit. For advertising he would take a volume champ and have them train for a week or two for photos then claim them as a success of Nautilus. Sergio Oliva is a prime example. He trained with a ton of volume. Jones paid him to go down to Florida for a couple of weeks then claimed his body was the result of Nautilus and HIT. Another is Casey Viator. One guy I know said he counted 16 sets for one body part when he trained for the 1982 Olympia his best ever condition.  I can add to that list Boyer Coe, Joe Means and few others.

Training with intensity with low sets is tool. It's not the exclusive way to train. If intensity was the magic bullet we would all be training with sets of one rep. There have been a few very successful guys that trained with HIT. Dorian Yates comes to mind. He would do one or two non taxing warm ups then hit that one set to failure. He went from two work sets per exercise to one work set in his training history. John Cardillo was a Mr. Canada who made a similar transition like Yates from two work sets an exercise to one. I remember he was fond of one set with slightly more traditional reps to failure. David Mastorakis was truly a Jones type success story. At one point he trained with 90% machines for one set to failure.  Mentzer used a combo in his training of one and two sets to failure. Another guy told me in the gym his warm up sets were heavy and he considered them sets but I'm not clear on that. No one can take a heavy set without a warm up. It would be an injury waiting to happen. Maybe on a machine you can get away with that.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Stanly on April 07, 2020, 05:45:54 AM
I use to read everything Arthur Jones wrote back in the day. I still have his original book that was put together with staples. Having said that I don't idolize him like those who passionately follow high intensity almost like a religion. In truth he spent most of his adult life weighing around 145lbs severely out of shape. I know his followers like to pull out pictures where he claimed to be 205lbs for a brief period in his life. When he first broke on the scene with his machines he was a little out of shape guy that liked to bully people with a gun on his hip.  His cam had no science behind it and when challenged he appeared to hire a math teacher who put out mathematical formulas with no values attached that amounted to gibberish in relevance to the topic at hand. One thing I will say about the cams is that the strength curve was correct for many exercises in that it got harder going toward full extension. Having said that some of his machines to this day are the best in the business.  His Med X machines are the smoothest machines going and a lot of very competent engineering was involved.

HIT guys like to say if volume was the correct way to train why aren't there more Arnolds in the gym. A complete incomprehensible illogical statement. The same can be said if reversed for HIT. The truth is there have been more successful athletes and bodybuilders using multiple sets than those using machines and single sets.

Many of the claimed success stories of  HIT are bull shit. For advertising he would take a volume champ and have them train for a week or two for photos then claim them as a success of Nautilus. Sergio Oliva is a prime example. He trained with a ton of volume. Jones paid him to go down to Florida for a couple of weeks then claimed his body was the result of Nautilus and HIT. Another is Casey Viator. One guy I know said he counted 16 sets for one body part when he trained for the 1982 Olympia his best ever condition.  I can add to that list Boyer Coe, Joe Means and few others.

Training with intensity with low sets is tool. It's not the exclusive way to train. If intensity was the magic bullet we would all be training with sets of one rep. There have been a few very successful guys that trained with HIT. Dorian Yates comes to mind. He would do one or two non taxing warm ups then hit that one set to failure. He went from two work sets per exercise to one work set in his training history. John Cardillo was a Mr. Canada who made a similar transition like Yates from two work sets an exercise to one. I remember he was fond of one set with slightly more traditional reps to failure. David Mastorakis was truly a Jones type success story. At one point he trained with 90% machines for one set to failure.  Mentzer used a combo in his training of one and two sets to failure. Another guy told me in the gym his warm up sets were heavy and he considered them sets but I'm not clear on that. No one can take a heavy set without a warm up. It would be an injury waiting to happen. Maybe on a machine you can get away with that.
I do not think Arnold trained as much as people think. People like Zane & other champions at that time laugh at the "yeah Arnold blasted every day twice a day in the Gym". sure he trained hard before a Mr O but not all year round.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 07, 2020, 08:55:15 AM
I use to read everything Arthur Jones wrote back in the day. I still have his original book that was put together with staples. Having said that I don't idolize him like those who passionately follow high intensity almost like a religion. In truth he spent most of his adult life weighing around 145lbs severely out of shape. I know his followers like to pull out pictures where he claimed to be 205lbs for a brief period in his life. When he first broke on the scene with his machines he was a little out of shape guy that liked to bully people with a gun on his hip.  His cam had no science behind it and when challenged he appeared to hire a math teacher who put out mathematical formulas with no values attached that amounted to gibberish in relevance to the topic at hand. One thing I will say about the cams is that the strength curve was correct for many exercises in that it got harder going toward full extension. Having said that some of his machines to this day are the best in the business.  His Med X machines are the smoothest machines going and a lot of very competent engineering was involved.

HIT guys like to say if volume was the correct way to train why aren't there more Arnolds in the gym. A complete incomprehensible illogical statement. The same can be said if reversed for HIT. The truth is there have been more successful athletes and bodybuilders using multiple sets than those using machines and single sets.

Many of the claimed success stories of  HIT are bull shit. For advertising he would take a volume champ and have them train for a week or two for photos then claim them as a success of Nautilus. Sergio Oliva is a prime example. He trained with a ton of volume. Jones paid him to go down to Florida for a couple of weeks then claimed his body was the result of Nautilus and HIT. Another is Casey Viator. One guy I know said he counted 16 sets for one body part when he trained for the 1982 Olympia his best ever condition.  I can add to that list Boyer Coe, Joe Means and few others.

Training with intensity with low sets is tool. It's not the exclusive way to train. If intensity was the magic bullet we would all be training with sets of one rep. There have been a few very successful guys that trained with HIT. Dorian Yates comes to mind. He would do one or two non taxing warm ups then hit that one set to failure. He went from two work sets per exercise to one work set in his training history. John Cardillo was a Mr. Canada who made a similar transition like Yates from two work sets an exercise to one. I remember he was fond of one set with slightly more traditional reps to failure. David Mastorakis was truly a Jones type success story. At one point he trained with 90% machines for one set to failure.  Mentzer used a combo in his training of one and two sets to failure. Another guy told me in the gym his warm up sets were heavy and he considered them sets but I'm not clear on that. No one can take a heavy set without a warm up. It would be an injury waiting to happen. Maybe on a machine you can get away with that.


Sufficient time under adequate tension is the main factor in hypertrophy. To guarantee you have sufficient time it is easier to do many sets with an adequate resistance.

The intense last rep or two are what counts and these accumulate until a training stimulus is achieved. Thus, we find most big guys doing heaps of sets. 

Training with intensity without considering the time under tension isn't going to be optimum for maximum hypertrophy.

If we look at the guys who really pushed the intensity factor we find that they tore muscles. Dorian, Ronnie, Franco, and others.

Intensity is one factor in hypertrophy. A certain threshold must be reached to stimulate growth.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tommywishbone on April 07, 2020, 09:28:37 AM
I thought this was a thread about ARNOLD FUCKING SCHWARNEGGER !
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Stanly on April 07, 2020, 09:39:36 AM

Sufficient time under adequate tension is the main factor in hypertrophy. To guarantee you have sufficient time it is easier to do many sets with an adequate resistance.

The intense last rep or two are what counts and these accumulate until a training stimulus is achieved. Thus, we find most big guys doing heaps of sets. 

Training with intensity without considering the time under tension isn't going to be optimum for maximum hypertrophy.

If we look at the guys who really pushed the intensity factor we find that they tore muscles. Dorian, Ronnie, Franco, and others.

Intensity is one factor in hypertrophy. A certain threshold must be reached to stimulate growth.
truth in this.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: IroNat on April 07, 2020, 10:52:24 AM
This thread makes for interesting reading.

I've been training for over 40 years.

Hormone levels and muscle attachments have a great deal to do with one's bodybuilding success.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 07, 2020, 01:18:09 PM

Sufficient time under adequate tension is the main factor in hypertrophy. To guarantee you have sufficient time it is easier to do many sets with an adequate resistance.

The intense last rep or two are what counts and these accumulate until a training stimulus is achieved. Thus, we find most big guys doing heaps of sets. 

Training with intensity without considering the time under tension isn't going to be optimum for maximum hypertrophy.

If we look at the guys who really pushed the intensity factor we find that they tore muscles. Dorian, Ronnie, Franco, and others.

Intensity is one factor in hypertrophy. A certain threshold must be reached to stimulate growth.

Ronnie tore which muscles again?

On to your other theory regarding frequency i believe the following- calves abs forearms can be hit every other day biceps triceps deltoids every two days lats chest traps quads hams every 3 days. I get best results when i train accordingly. Yes sometimes i train sore muscles and they respond just fine.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 07, 2020, 05:56:41 PM
Ronnie tore which muscles again?

On to your other theory regarding frequency i believe the following- calves abs forearms can be hit every other day biceps triceps deltoids every two days lats chest traps quads hams every 3 days. I get best results when i train accordingly. Yes sometimes i train sore muscles and they respond just fine.


What I meant about injuries was that extreme intensity which includes heavy singles, is not a safe way to train. So any theory of maximum hypertrophy has to be safe.

Yes, one has to continually do 'extraordinary' things to stimulate more growth however those things shouldn't result in injuries. Once you tear a muscle you more or less

end your bodybuilding career. Guys like Dorian were gifted titles which was a shame. Ronnie trained way too heavy for way too long. We all know the result.

Arthur Jones told us to build muscle not demonstrate strength. So singles, even though good for the ego, are not recommended.

One of the problems is that connective tissue might recover slower than muscles fibers.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 07, 2020, 06:28:03 PM

The consideration that I also took into account was how swimmers and track athletes trained. They train daily and still manage to improve. How is that possible if what you say is true? Would you discard decades of experience and train the swimmers and sprinters every 5th day? Well, I doubt any swimming coach would even entertain that protocol. The point is how come they improve if they train hard daily for years? I know they taper off before competitions but daily training seems to be what everyone does.

If one is growing rapidly the euphoria is substantial. In 1999 I was running to the gym for those brutal workouts...pain and all. I knew I would keep growing. I got quite strong over the month in arms and calves.
Would I have grown as much had I followed your protocol? I don't think so. It is a pity that scientists haven't solved these problems. It would be refreshing to know for sure exactly what to do. I don't subscribe to the notion that
everyone is different. Well, there are individual differences of course even re fibre composition. However the theory of hypertrophy has to take differences into account and provide a theory that is applicable to everyone who trains.

And how much muscle do swimmers and runners put on? You are comparing muscle building to a skill. Swimmers practice every day to get better. They find superior and more efficient ways to swim. Their bodies develop a neurological efficiency that you only get by practice. I know this first hand. The first time I tried to execute an armbar from the mount position it was difficult for me. As I did it more and more I got better. As the years went by I got even better to the point where it was just second nature. When I was first learning Judo the instructor told me that you have to practice a throw at least a thousand times before you can become competent. It will take many years after that before you can become a master. It has nothing to do with strength and muscle hypertrophy. If anybody thinks they can accelerate the development of their quads by squatting every day at full intensity is in for a rude awakening.

You are always preoccupied with theories. I am concerned far more with results. No matter how much you want to discount and diminish my approach to calf training the fact remains that I accomplished something few people ever have. To get a muscle group, infamous for being the most stubborn and most resistant to change and development, that went from being below average to an advance stage of development.  Other than Arnold, I know of nobody else, whether a recreational lifter to a seasoned pro, who has made such a dramatic improvement. You haven't done it. No one reading this thread has done it. And none of you know of anybody who has done it. Only me. Someone who after 48 years of continuous training has never shown any propensity to be able to develop any appreciable amount of muscle mass. Even when I once bulked up to 230 lbs taking Ciba Dianabol and Organon Deca prescribe by Dr. Walzack I was just fat.

Instead of criticizing me and trying to find fault in my protocol, you should get a group of investors to sponsor me to write a book. I mean, if I can do it why couldn't someone far more gifted like Deter Jackson do it too?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on April 07, 2020, 06:45:22 PM
And how much muscle do swimmers and runners put on? You are comparing muscle building to a skill. Swimmers practice every day to get better. They find superior and more efficient ways to swim. Their bodies develop a neurological efficiency that you only get by practice. I know this first hand. The first time I tried to execute an armbar from the mount position it was difficult for me. As I did it more and more I got better. As the years went by I got even better to the point where it was just second nature. When I was first learning Judo the instructor told me that you have to practice a throw at least a thousand times before you can become competent. It will take many years after that before you can become a master. It has nothing to do with strength and muscle hypertrophy. If anybody thinks they can accelerate the development of their quads by squatting every day at full intensity is in for a rude awakening.

You are always preoccupied with theories. I am concerned far more with results. No matter how much you want to discount and diminish my approach to calf training the fact remains that I accomplished something few people ever have. To get a muscle group, infamous for being the most stubborn and most resistant to change and development, that went from being below average to an advance stage of development.  Other than Arnold, I know of nobody else, whether a recreational lifter to a seasoned pro, who has made such a dramatic improvement. You haven't done it. No one reading this thread has done it. And none of you know of anybody who has done it. Only me. Someone who after 48 years of continuous training has never shown any propensity to be able to develop any appreciable amount of muscle mass. Even when I once bulked up to 230 lbs taking Ciba Dianabol and Organon Deca prescribe by Dr. Walzack I was just fat.

Instead of criticizing me and trying to find fault in my protocol, you should get a group of investors to sponsor me to write a book. I mean, if I can do it why couldn't someone far more gifted like Deter Jackson do it too?

You make some good points.
Have you ever tried the same type of training protocol on another body part
To see if the results could be duplicated- if they could you’d very much be onto a Winner.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 07, 2020, 07:03:10 PM
And how much muscle do swimmers and runners put on? You are comparing muscle building to a skill. Swimmers practice every day to get better. They find superior and more efficient ways to swim. Their bodies develop a neurological efficiency that you only get by practice. I know this first hand. The first time I tried to execute an armbar from the mount position it was difficult for me. As I did it more and more I got better. As the years went by I got even better to the point where it was just second nature. When I was first learning Judo the instructor told me that you have to practice a throw at least a thousand times before you can become competent. It will take many years after that before you can become a master. It has nothing to do with strength and muscle hypertrophy. If anybody thinks they can accelerate the development of their quads by squatting every day at full intensity is in for a rude awakening.

You are always preoccupied with theories. I am concerned far more with results. No matter how much you want to discount and diminish my approach to calf training the fact remains that I accomplished something few people ever have. To get a muscle group, infamous for being the most stubborn and most resistant to change and development, that went from being below average to an advance stage of development.  Other than Arnold, I know of nobody else, whether a recreational lifter to a seasoned pro, who has made such a dramatic improvement. You haven't done it. No one reading this thread has done it. And none of you know of anybody who has done it. Only me. Someone who after 48 years of continuous training has never shown any propensity to be able to develop any appreciable amount of muscle mass. Even when I once bulked up to 230 lbs taking Ciba Dianabol and Organon Deca prescribe by Dr. Walzack I was just fat.

Instead of criticizing me and trying to find fault in my protocol, you should get a group of investors to sponsor me to write a book. I mean, if I can do it why couldn't someone far more gifted like Deter Jackson do it too?

Any criticism from me is part of the scientific process not a personal attack on you or anyone else. Either something is true or it is not. Mike Mentzer also believed this.

You and I both came to embrace a DOMS kind of training where we used the side effect to gauge our progress...no pain, little gain. Sure, DOMS is not necessary but

that wasn't my point. I took a completely different approach because I simply stopped growing doing triceps press downs. I was putting the triceps under severe tension

for an adequate amount of time but growth ceased. I then changed exercises and voila DOMS. I mean, how in the heck can DOMS appear in a muscle that is being

trained in an extreme fashion previously? That experience literally turned a switch on in my head. I then wondered what if one could always trigger DOMS in a muscle?

Would that muscle keep growing rapidly? That is what I discovered in 1999. I got sore triceps and kept them sore for a whole month. The result was a one inch gain

in my arms to a size bigger than ever before.

When I was training arms I could get my triceps and calves sore and keep them sore. Biceps were another story. Not so easy with them but possible if you do the right things.

We all saluted your calves and method. As Illuminati asks, and I asked you before on here recently, did your method work on other body parts? I suggested you try to get

your arms an inch bigger using your protocols, etc. Show us all what is possible with your method.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 07, 2020, 07:03:43 PM

What I meant about injuries was that extreme intensity which includes heavy singles, is not a safe way to train. So any theory of maximum hypertrophy has to be safe.

Yes, one has to continually do 'extraordinary' things to stimulate more growth however those things shouldn't result in injuries. Once you tear a muscle you more or less

end your bodybuilding career. Guys like Dorian were gifted titles which was a shame. Ronnie trained way too heavy for way too long. We all know the result.

Arthur Jones told us to build muscle not demonstrate strength. So singles, even though good for the ego, are not recommended.

One of the problems is that connective tissue might recover slower than muscles fibers.

Dorian suffered a couple injuries training too heavy WHILE BADLY DEPLETED WEEKS BEFORE CONTESTS. He said so himself, many times. Had he cut back a little while his bodyfat was low he would have been fine.

I have trained heavy since i was 14 or 15 years old. Zero injuries. I am 39 now.

Oh and Ronnie blew a disk in 97 squatting. Not that it really matters.

Your attempts to scare people away from heavy lifting because you tore a biceps deadlifting (lol) is lame and I encourage you to stop.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 07, 2020, 07:08:01 PM
And how much muscle do swimmers and runners put on? You are comparing muscle building to a skill. Swimmers practice every day to get better. They find superior and more efficient ways to swim. Their bodies develop a neurological efficiency that you only get by practice. I know this first hand. The first time I tried to execute an armbar from the mount position it was difficult for me. As I did it more and more I got better. As the years went by I got even better to the point where it was just second nature. When I was first learning Judo the instructor told me that you have to practice a throw at least a thousand times before you can become competent. It will take many years after that before you can become a master. It has nothing to do with strength and muscle hypertrophy. If anybody thinks they can accelerate the development of their quads by squatting every day at full intensity is in for a rude awakening.

You are always preoccupied with theories. I am concerned far more with results. No matter how much you want to discount and diminish my approach to calf training the fact remains that I accomplished something few people ever have. To get a muscle group, infamous for being the most stubborn and most resistant to change and development, that went from being below average to an advance stage of development.  Other than Arnold, I know of nobody else, whether a recreational lifter to a seasoned pro, who has made such a dramatic improvement. You haven't done it. No one reading this thread has done it. And none of you know of anybody who has done it. Only me. Someone who after 48 years of continuous training has never shown any propensity to be able to develop any appreciable amount of muscle mass. Even when I once bulked up to 230 lbs taking Ciba Dianabol and Organon Deca prescribe by Dr. Walzack I was just fat.

Instead of criticizing me and trying to find fault in my protocol, you should get a group of investors to sponsor me to write a book. I mean, if I can do it why couldn't someone far more gifted like Deter Jackson do it too?

Why are you wasting your time arguing? The man cant see that there is no correlation betweeen the physiques of swimmers vs runners and bodybuilders. Doesnt that tell you enough?

Also I believe Dorian Yates said when he turned pro his back was just ok but after losing to Benaziza he went all out to get his back so big nobody would beat him again. Or something like that. His back went from ok to world class to best ever in like one or two years. Which is incredible when you think about it.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 07, 2020, 07:28:11 PM
Dorian suffered a couple injuries training too heavy WHILE BADLY DEPLETED WEEKS BEFORE CONTESTS. He said so himself, many times. Had he cut back a little while his bodyfat was low he would have been fine.

I have trained heavy since i was 14 or 15 years old. Zero injuries. I am 39 now.

Oh and Ronnie blew a disk in 97 squatting. Not that it really matters.

Your attempts to scare people away from heavy lifting because you tore a biceps deadlifting (lol) is lame and I encourage you to stop.


If what I write prevents some from tearing muscles then I have done them a good service. Dead lifting is a dangerous exercise, period. I don't recommend doing them.

If you insist on doing deadlifts don't do singles or doubles or triples. Keep the reps higher. Also, use an over bar grip for both hands. That way you lessen the risk of

tearing a biceps.

Let's face it, bodybuilding is an extreme enterprise that takes years and even decades to build a physique. We all try to use more resistance. There is no point doing

powerlifting. Instead, do many sets of 10 to 15 reps with your maximum resistance.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 07, 2020, 07:31:15 PM
Why are you wasting your time arguing? The man cant see that there is no correlation between the physiques of swimmers vs runners and bodybuilders. Doesnt that tell you enough?




Unbelievable. My question is simple and not answered by Pellius. How on earth do sprinters in the pool or track improve if they train at least 5 days a week?

It isn't just a matter of efficiency and technique. Real gains in power must occur and that involves strength.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 07, 2020, 07:44:36 PM
You make some good points.
Have you ever tried the same type of training protocol on another body part
To see if the results could be duplicated- if they could you’d very much be onto a Winner.

Vince asked me that before. No, I haven't for several reasons. It wouldn't be practical for large muscle groups like chest, back, especially quads. I would have to a full time strong spotter to help me with the force reps and negatives. Also, with those large muscle groups, I don't think the body could endure such intensity for very long. The calves are a relatively small muscle group and it should be noted that despite putting on a good three inches on my calves there was no change in bodyweight. I think it would be feasible for biceps or triceps (not at the same time) and I considered it but to be honest I just don't have it in me to go through that again. There was a lot more to it than just sets and reps. There was a very involved mental process that I wouldn't be able to duplicate. You have to have this do or die sense of urgency. Mentzer once referenced Willam James' "The Energies of Man" in which he speaks of a state of mind referred to as the "idea of necessity". When your back is against the wall and the fight or flight response kicks in. A sense of urgent desperation forcing you to a level and state of mind you could never go to under normal circumstances.

There is no way I could ever get that excited and motivated just to improve a muscle group. It's seems so trivia and shallow. I don't know why I became so obsessed with calves after training for twenty years and was already in my mid- thirties. I imagine, as with all things, it was just a combination of events that put me in this very unhealthy and desperate state of mind. I look back at that time with grave ambivalence.

Since I'm now trying to make due training at home I decided last night, just for old times sake, to dig up that old dictionary, the only training tool I used to train my
calves. I found it tucked away in an old storage cardboard box. I kind of chuckled looking at. I opened it up where I signed and recorded the date I got it (something I do with all books I get) and some scribble words that I had to look up and wanted to remember. When I die and someone holds that dictionary in hand, they would have no idea what I put that poor dictionary through. About one and a half years of my bare feet on it doing calf raises. I set it up under a door jam like I use to do and crank out a few reps. It had that different feeling again then when I do them in the gym. It was just like old times.

Kooky and disturbing times at that.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 07, 2020, 07:54:54 PM
Here is a modified biceps machine that I fashioned from an old machine given to me by Paul Graham. It was a machine shell that was supposed to have an electric motor for resistance.

I used the handles, seat and bearings but everything else I replaced. Had to move the pivot point as it was 2 inches out. Now it works well and I use it along with my biceps-supinator.

When I have more free space I will set up my other arm machines. I am thinking about building a new triceps machine. I miss building new gym equipment.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 07, 2020, 07:59:47 PM

If what I write prevents some from tearing muscles then I have done them a good service. Dead lifting is a dangerous exercise, period. I don't recommend doing them.

If you insist on doing deadlifts don't do singles or doubles or triples. Keep the reps higher. Also, use an over bar grip for both hands. That way you lessen the risk of

tearing a biceps.

Let's face it, bodybuilding is an extreme enterprise that takes years and even decades to build a physique. We all try to use more resistance. There is no point doing

powerlifting. Instead, do many sets of 10 to 15 reps with your maximum resistance.

Jones' considered the stiff leg deadlift to be one of the few really good free weight exercises but it has to be done correctly. Of course, it's not a true "stiff leg" in the sense that the knees are locked straight. No, and they should be slightly bent. And your grip should not be the traditional deadlift grip. Both palms should be facing your legs. When one hand is turned out like when you do barbell curls that's when you pull more directly at your bicep and put it in danger for injury and how most biceps are torn. And, it's not the load per se that causes injuries it's the explosive movements and the degradation of form resulting from handing weights too heavy for you to control properly that causes injury. That's why properly constructed machines are always safer. The heavy weight doesn't really affect the form nearly as much as free weights. Of course, this is not going to save you if you still use explosive movements. It's not the heavy weight but rather the difference in stress levels on the tensile strength of the tissue caused by acceleration rather than velocity. The difference between pressing your fist against a brick wall with all your might and punching the wall at full force.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 07, 2020, 08:05:10 PM
Back on topic. No matter what the newer generation thinks, since they go by 1980 and even 1975, when Arnold was not at his peak, his legs were the very best of his generation.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 08, 2020, 01:03:23 AM
Back on topic. No matter what the newer generation thinks, since they go by 1980 and even 1975, when Arnold was not at his peak, his legs were the very best of his generation.



That picture is photoshopped. If you want me to believe otherwise lets see a few more from that tine period where they look that good.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 08, 2020, 01:05:29 AM

Unbelievable. My question is simple and not answered by Pellius. How on earth do sprinters in the pool or track improve if they train at least 5 days a week?

It isn't just a matter of efficiency and technique. Real gains in power must occur and that involves strength.

Strength is increased by many more factors than just bigger muscles basile...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 08, 2020, 01:07:16 AM

If what I write prevents some from tearing muscles then I have done them a good service. Dead lifting is a dangerous exercise, period. I don't recommend doing them.

If you insist on doing deadlifts don't do singles or doubles or triples. Keep the reps higher. Also, use an over bar grip for both hands. That way you lessen the risk of

tearing a biceps.

Let's face it, bodybuilding is an extreme enterprise that takes years and even decades to build a physique. We all try to use more resistance. There is no point doing

powerlifting. Instead, do many sets of 10 to 15 reps with your maximum resistance.

I have never heard of anyone injuring themselves deadlifting except you.

I would love to see you deadlift your absolute max for 10-15 reps. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 08, 2020, 01:20:40 AM

Unbelievable. My question is simple and not answered by Pellius. How on earth do sprinters in the pool or track improve if they train at least 5 days a week?

It isn't just a matter of efficiency and technique. Real gains in power must occur and that involves strength.

The problem with you, Vincent, is that you are so dogmatic and so closed-minded, the very thing that you accuse others of, that you only hear what you want to hear. I clearly answered your question beginning with the third sentence in my first paragraph. You just didn't like the answer. You are so wrong that people involved in sports that require skill get better by getting stronger. If it was due to strength and power why don't they get bigger and more muscular? How is it that Olympic and Powerlifers move more weight while remaining in the same weight class?

You have never been seriously involved in any sport for any length of time so you really don't have a clue. The fact is, that as you get more skilled you lose less strength and energy. When I started Jiu-Jitsu I was always getting winded despite having a very intensive training regime doing high-intensity circuit training sucking wind for a solid hour as well as doing sprints uphill on soft sand. In addition, rolling on the mat itself was utterly exhausting. It was only after I got more experience that I could perform the exact same movement, we all do basically the same movements and positions, but I did so more efficiently and with less strength and power even though wrestling is a very physical activity requiring you to exert virtually all your muscles to some extent at the same time.

It is, in fact using your body more efficiently with better and more refined techniques.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 08, 2020, 01:35:15 AM
That picture is photoshopped. If you want me to believe otherwise lets see a few more from that tine period where they look that good.

Seriously, they are not hard to find.

Who do you think had better overall leg development during Arnold's prime competitive years (1970-75)?

(https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/arnold-legs.jpg)
(https://i2.wp.com/vekhayn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_1974.jpg?fit=800%2C1162&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on April 08, 2020, 03:46:49 PM
Arnold's legs, same contest, 1973 Mr. Olympia
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 08, 2020, 05:42:09 PM
Seriously, they are not hard to find.

Who do you think had better overall leg development during Arnold's prime competitive years (1970-75)?

(https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/arnold-legs.jpg)
(https://i2.wp.com/vekhayn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_1974.jpg?fit=800%2C1162&ssl=1)

Didnt realize Arnies calves were that good.

Carry on then.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 08, 2020, 06:29:07 PM
The problem with you, Vincent, is that you are so dogmatic and so closed-minded, the very thing that you accuse others of, that you only hear what you want to hear. I clearly answered your question beginning with the third sentence in my first paragraph. You just didn't like the answer. You are so wrong that people involved in sports that require skill get better by getting stronger. If it was due to strength and power why don't they get bigger and more muscular? How is it that Olympic and Powerlifers move more weight while remaining in the same weight class?

You have never been seriously involved in any sport for any length of time so you really don't have a clue. The fact is, that as you get more skilled you lose less strength and energy. When I started Jiu-Jitsu I was always getting winded despite having a very intensive training regime doing high-intensity circuit training sucking wind for a solid hour as well as doing sprints uphill on soft sand. In addition, rolling on the mat itself was utterly exhausting. It was only after I got more experience that I could perform the exact same movement, we all do basically the same movements and positions, but I did so more efficiently and with less strength and power even though wrestling is a very physical activity requiring you to exert virtually all your muscles to some extent at the same time.

It is, in fact using your body more efficiently with better and more refined techniques.


What is this accusation of being dogmatic and having a closed mind? You do exactly what I do....stick to your ideas. I stick to mine until they have been refuted or falsified. That hasn't happened here.

I mentioned sprinting because I wanted to show that it is possible to make gains while not recovering. Have you discussed frequency with coaches? Would be interesting.

So what I claim is that re growing as rapidly as possible...drug free...one should avoid the repeated bout effect and retrain every 3rd day. I advocate getting DOMS and retaining that soreness for periods of a month or perhaps 6 weeks.

This isn't an easy method but it is one that should deliver the goods.

What I suggest is controversial because for 40 years I believed, like almost everyone else, that DOMS was something to avoid. l had gentle programs at our gym where we introduced resistance training. Usually the programs

involved one set per muscle group. If you research DOMS you discover that most studies are concerned about reducing the pain state. A few studies showed that DOMS was associated with remodelling or muscular growth.

Since scientists are hardly interested in maximum muscular hypertrophy there are no long term studies involving DOMS or anything else for bodybuilders.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 08, 2020, 06:35:00 PM
Back on topic. No matter what the newer generation thinks, since they go by 1980 and even 1975, when Arnold was not at his peak, his legs were the very best of his generation.




Most people would consider that Tom Platz had the best legs of Arnold's generation. I would include Sergio Oliva as well.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Teutonic Knight 1 on April 09, 2020, 01:07:52 AM
Here is a modified biceps machine that I fashioned from an old machine given to me by Paul Graham. It was a machine shell that was supposed to have an electric motor for resistance.

I used the handles, seat and bearings but everything else I replaced. Had to move the pivot point as it was 2 inches out. Now it works well and I use it along with my biceps-supinator.

When I have more free space I will set up my other arm machines. I am thinking about building a new triceps machine. I miss building new gym equipment.


So where is that gym located !.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on April 09, 2020, 02:10:22 AM

Most people would consider that Tom Platz had the best legs of Arnold's generation. I would include Sergio Oliva as well.

Tom Platz turned pro in 1978 after winning the Mr. Universe. Arnold won the Olympia from 1970-1975 (and then came back for one more contest in 1980).
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 09, 2020, 04:04:41 AM

What is this accusation of being dogmatic and having a closed mind? You do exactly what I do....stick to your ideas. I stick to mine until they have been refuted or falsified. That hasn't happened here.

I mentioned sprinting because I wanted to show that it is possible to make gains while not recovering. Have you discussed frequency with coaches? Would be interesting.

So what I claim is that re growing as rapidly as possible...drug free...one should avoid the repeated bout effect and retrain every 3rd day. I advocate getting DOMS and retaining that soreness for periods of a month or perhaps 6 weeks.

This isn't an easy method but it is one that should deliver the goods.

What I suggest is controversial because for 40 years I believed, like almost everyone else, that DOMS was something to avoid. l had gentle programs at our gym where we introduced resistance training. Usually the programs

involved one set per muscle group. If you research DOMS you discover that most studies are concerned about reducing the pain state. A few studies showed that DOMS was associated with remodelling or muscular growth.

Since scientists are hardly interested in maximum muscular hypertrophy there are no long term studies involving DOMS or anything else for bodybuilders.

Wrong again. I've change training protocol many times over the years and decades. I've just recently gone to a two day a week routine for the last year. I've experimented with every conceivable routine. Training six days/wk, 3x/wk each bodypart. I've change my diet dramatically in the last few years cutting protein intake by more than half.

You conflate skill with "gains". We are talking gains in muscle mass, not runner faster or throwing farther. Anybody can see this except you. That's why a previous poster who is very familiar with you advise me to not to bother with you. You are the broken record preaching the same thing for decades with zero proof. There is nobody here that isn't sick of that same old tune. Of course you just dismiss everybody as faux experts whereas in fact you, and only you, have proclaimed himself as an expert in muscle hypertrophy.

Nobody needs to refute your ideas. The onus is on you to prove it. Why don't you understand that? You always claim to use scientific reasoning. I might as well say that if you eat cabbage and grass clippings that it will cure cancer and you haven't proved it doesn't. You give an untested theory with the qualification that "it SHOULD deliver the goods." Should? Well, I did deliver the goods. Did something that very, very few people have ever done. No one I know. No one you know. No one anybody reading this knows.

And you are also wrong that the majority of serious lifters/bbers avoid DOMS. Everyone I know over the 48 years of continuous training at various gyms considers DOMS as proof and feedback that they worked the muscle hard and intensely. I continually hear athletes brag about how sore they are from a previous workout.

You seemingly have zero ability for self-reflection. You have credibility with no one here. NO ONE. But instead of looking into yourself you just blame the world for not understanding and appreciating your genius.

And you will take this to your grave and no one will care.  
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 09, 2020, 04:17:33 AM

Most people would consider that Tom Platz had the best legs of Arnold's generation. I would include Sergio Oliva as well.

I try to be precise with my language that's why I specifically stated "during Arnold's prime years (1970-74)". Platz is not from Arnold's generation. Jeeze man, I thought this would be obvious to you. It certainly is for everybody else.

Also, I specifically stated "best overall" leg development. Sergio had bigger quads but not as conditioned and separated as Arnold's were. And Arnold's calves were in a different league from Sergio's. No one had calves like that during his Olympian reign.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/0d/cd/3b0dcd492e6487ec75e2352e7be5b26d.jpg)
(https://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/167/images/Sergio%20OlivaArnold%20Schwarzenegger.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on April 09, 2020, 04:27:36 AM
Didnt realize Arnies calves were that good.

Carry on then.

Holy cow! His calves were legendary! And he talked about it in his first autobiography
how he focused on it and what he did when staying with Reg Parker. Didn't you see Pumping Iron?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on April 09, 2020, 08:18:45 AM
                     People people people. When working out. Everything works!  For awhile. No matter if its volume heavy duty 6 days 2 days etc. A beginner doesn't need 10 sets nor do they need complete and total failure. As we advance in workouts our bodies adapt to EVERYTHING we try. That's why workouts need to be changed around. No matter what type you do you need to change things around sometimes. Back in the day the guys would train heavy, less sets, less reps ,less days a week. They were trying to build "bulk". But at the same time their body was resting more and recuperating. Their diets were not strict then either. But then as a contest or summer approached they would up the intensity, increase the sets, reps and days.( and of course take more steroids then too). Most didn't need or do cardio because the amount of weight training they did burned off the fat.

                  None trained in any one way for the entire year nor dieted nor took the amount of drugs. In fact alot would come off completely until training for a show.  And those type were actually training very smart by switching training routines, style, intensity,diet etc. They were shocking their bodies into growth. No one can grow forever no matter what type of routine you use. And their bodies all looked different from one another. Is volume training really "over-training"  Is extreme heavy duty over- training"? Do we even know if over-training really exists? ( swimmers gymnasts track people etc all "over-train but yet they look great and excel in their sport) Does the human body really need to rest for days after workouts? Isn't the human body able to do remarkable things? Back in the day after a farmer worked 16 hours digging a ditch busting rocks and cutting wood did he say "hey i need to rest for a week because I over-trained.  No. I am not saying over - training doesn't exist because i believe it does but do we really know? The barbarian brothers used to say their is no over training just under eating and under sleeping.  maybe they were right. But then again the great Dan Duchaine had said that steroids work best on an "over trained " body. So its my belief that there is no one way to workout no matter what some may think. All workouts will work but all workouts will stop giving results eventually.NO you dont do 50 sets when 20 sets stop working. And no you don't do heavy duty until your eyes blow out either. A smart body builder will change routines from time to time to keep getting results or at least to get some rest while maintaining. And some body parts will respond better to certain ways of training . ( some need high reps ,some low and heavy ,some need more sets, some need fewer etc) If you focused on one body part and it grew may not mean your way of training was the best it could mean that you focused on that body part, made it a priority and it grew. Could be arms ,chest, calves etc. Doesn't matter. Pay attention to a lagging body part give it 100%, train it first before your better body parts and watch what happens. Pellius keeps referring to calves as being almost "universally difficult" to build.  But are they really? Back in the day very few guys had good calves ( white or black. And in fact they used to say blacks couldn't build calves) But people always trained calves last in their routines (if at all) . Arnold made his a priority. He focused on them. He worked them first 6 days a week.He used ALOT OF WEIGHT. Now look at calves on most modern guys. They all have them. (even blacks) So i don't think they are that hard to build IF someone really wants to put forth the effort                                
                                       Again I always say find what works for you. Dont get all hung up on this or that. Have an open mind and really put forth the effort. It's kinda like a chevy guy who drives a ford. No matter how good the ford has been he will hate it. Same way with some bodybuilders. They refuse to give 100% in to a new routine because they are to stubborn thinking that only this way works ( on paper anyways). That's why Arnold was so great. He did what worked. The guys back then didn't need studies or graphs or experts". They watched and listened to their bodies and of course had help too. Building muscle is not difficult once we all learn our limits are decided by genetics.


                                
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 09, 2020, 09:42:34 AM
                    People people people. When working out. Everything works!  For awhile. No matter if its volume heavy duty 6 days 2 days etc. A beginner doesn't need 10 sets nor do they need complete and total failure. As we advance in workouts our bodies adapt to EVERYTHING we try. That's why workouts need to be changed around. No matter what type you do you need to change things around sometimes. Back in the day the guys would train heavy, less sets, less reps ,less days a week. They were trying to build "bulk". But at the same time their body was resting more and recuperating. Their diets were not strict then either. But then as a contest or summer approached they would up the intensity, increase the sets, reps and days.( and of course take more steroids then too). Most didn't need or do cardio because the amount of weight training they did burned off the fat.

                  None trained in any one way for the entire year nor dieted nor took the amount of drugs. In fact alot would come off completely until training for a show.  And those type were actually training very smart by switching training routines, style, intensity,diet etc. They were shocking their bodies into growth. No one can grow forever no matter what type of routine you use. And their bodies all looked different from one another. Is volume training really "over-training"  Is extreme heavy duty over- training"? Do we even know if over-training really exists? ( swimmers gymnasts track people etc all "over-train but yet they look great and excel in their sport) Does the human body really need to rest for days after workouts? Isn't the human body able to do remarkable things? Back in the day after a farmer worked 16 hours digging a ditch busting rocks and cutting wood did he say "hey i need to rest for a week because I over-trained.  No. I am not saying over - training doesn't exist because i believe it does but do we really know? The barbarian brothers used to say their is no over training just under eating and under sleeping.  maybe they were right. But then again the great Dan Duchaine had said that steroids work best on an "over trained " body. So its my belief that there is no one way to workout no matter what some may think. All workouts will work but all workouts will stop giving results eventually.NO you dont do 50 sets when 20 sets stop working. And no you don't do heavy duty until your eyes blow out either. A smart body builder will change routines from time to time to keep getting results or at least to get some rest while maintaining. And some body parts will respond better to certain ways of training . ( some need high reps ,some low and heavy ,some need more sets, some need fewer etc) If you focused on one body part and it grew may not mean your way of training was the best it could mean that you focused on that body part, made it a priority and it grew. Could be arms ,chest, calves etc. Doesn't matter. Pay attention to a lagging body part give it 100%, train it first before your better body parts and watch what happens. Pellius keeps referring to calves as being almost "universally difficult" to build.  But are they really? Back in the day very few guys had good calves ( white or black. And in fact they used to say blacks couldn't build calves) But people always trained calves last in their routines (if at all) . Arnold made his a priority. He focused on them. He worked them first 6 days a week.He used ALOT OF WEIGHT. Now look at calves on most modern guys. They all have them. (even blacks) So i don't think they are that hard to build IF someone really wants to put forth the effort                                
                                       Again I always say find what works for you. Dont get all hung up on this or that. Have an open mind and really put forth the effort. It's kinda like a chevy guy who drives a ford. No matter how good the ford has been he will hate it. Same way with some bodybuilders. They refuse to give 100% in to a new routine because they are to stubborn thinking that only this way works ( on paper anyways). That's why Arnold was so great. He did what worked. The guys back then didn't need studies or graphs or experts". They watched and listened to their bodies and of course had help too. Building muscle is not difficult once we all learn our limits are decided by genetics.                                



Let us do a thought experiment. Let us assume that what you posted above is true. Well, what theory can one derive from all of that? That is what I have been looking for. If building muscle is not difficult then why do so many fail to develop huge muscles? Should one try many different methods and protocols and keep track of which ones give results? Then mix things up when gains cease? What is this 'listening to their bodies' thing?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on April 09, 2020, 12:59:07 PM
Seriously?  GENETICS !  That's the real key to building big muscles. Next comes training. Do you push it or lazily do a few light weight reps?  Do you eat proper? Do you sleep well? And of course do you use drugs. That's what builds muscle. But the muscle size and how soon they grow are all from GENETICS.  And listening to your body is knowing when your working into the "pain zone" and beyond or if you just stop cuz its "hurting". If you get run down and don't feel well then take a day off But learn the difference in being tired/wore out and just being plain ole lazy. Also if you don't like the way a certain exercise feels then don't do it. Find something you like. If you don't like benches then don't do them. just because others do them and get great results does not mean you have to do them. Try things out.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on April 09, 2020, 01:07:44 PM
Also why are you looking for a "protocol" ? A blue print to follow?  It doesn't work that way. You can follow a routine  exactly that someone else said they used and you wont gain anything. What works for me may not work for you. And don't wait ten years to switch from bench to inclines ( as an example).  If something hasn't made a change in your body ( muscle size, strength etc) in a few weeks or months then look at what your doing. If you can say  with all honesty that you have been pushing into the pain zone, eating right, sleeping right and using the right drugs ( if you use drugs) then switch things around. That's why keeping a workout journal can be helpful. Alot of pros say they do or have kept one but they are really lying. They have great response ( genetics and drugs) to any type of workout.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Thespritz0 on April 10, 2020, 12:43:05 AM
                    People people people. When working out. Everything works!  For awhile. No matter if its volume heavy duty 6 days 2 days etc. A beginner doesn't need 10 sets nor do they need complete and total failure. As we advance in workouts our bodies adapt to EVERYTHING we try. That's why workouts need to be changed around. No matter what type you do you need to change things around sometimes. Back in the day the guys would train heavy, less sets, less reps ,less days a week. They were trying to build "bulk". But at the same time their body was resting more and recuperating. Their diets were not strict then either. But then as a contest or summer approached they would up the intensity, increase the sets, reps and days.( and of course take more steroids then too). Most didn't need or do cardio because the amount of weight training they did burned off the fat.

                  None trained in any one way for the entire year nor dieted nor took the amount of drugs. In fact alot would come off completely until training for a show.  And those type were actually training very smart by switching training routines, style, intensity,diet etc. They were shocking their bodies into growth. No one can grow forever no matter what type of routine you use. And their bodies all looked different from one another. Is volume training really "over-training"  Is extreme heavy duty over- training"? Do we even know if over-training really exists? ( swimmers gymnasts track people etc all "over-train but yet they look great and excel in their sport) Does the human body really need to rest for days after workouts? Isn't the human body able to do remarkable things? Back in the day after a farmer worked 16 hours digging a ditch busting rocks and cutting wood did he say "hey i need to rest for a week because I over-trained.  No. I am not saying over - training doesn't exist because i believe it does but do we really know? The barbarian brothers used to say their is no over training just under eating and under sleeping.  maybe they were right. But then again the great Dan Duchaine had said that steroids work best on an "over trained " body. So its my belief that there is no one way to workout no matter what some may think. All workouts will work but all workouts will stop giving results eventually.NO you dont do 50 sets when 20 sets stop working. And no you don't do heavy duty until your eyes blow out either. A smart body builder will change routines from time to time to keep getting results or at least to get some rest while maintaining. And some body parts will respond better to certain ways of training . ( some need high reps ,some low and heavy ,some need more sets, some need fewer etc) If you focused on one body part and it grew may not mean your way of training was the best it could mean that you focused on that body part, made it a priority and it grew. Could be arms ,chest, calves etc. Doesn't matter. Pay attention to a lagging body part give it 100%, train it first before your better body parts and watch what happens. Pellius keeps referring to calves as being almost "universally difficult" to build.  But are they really? Back in the day very few guys had good calves ( white or black. And in fact they used to say blacks couldn't build calves) But people always trained calves last in their routines (if at all) . Arnold made his a priority. He focused on them. He worked them first 6 days a week.He used ALOT OF WEIGHT. Now look at calves on most modern guys. They all have them. (even blacks) So i don't think they are that hard to build IF someone really wants to put forth the effort                                
                                       Again I always say find what works for you. Dont get all hung up on this or that. Have an open mind and really put forth the effort. It's kinda like a chevy guy who drives a ford. No matter how good the ford has been he will hate it. Same way with some bodybuilders. They refuse to give 100% in to a new routine because they are to stubborn thinking that only this way works ( on paper anyways). That's why Arnold was so great. He did what worked. The guys back then didn't need studies or graphs or experts". They watched and listened to their bodies and of course had help too. Building muscle is not difficult once we all learn our limits are decided by genetics.
^^

By FAR one of the BEST statements ever on GetBig- BRAVO!!!!!

                                
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 10, 2020, 01:24:48 AM
Seriously?  GENETICS !  That's the real key to building big muscles. Next comes training. Do you push it or lazily do a few light weight reps?  Do you eat proper? Do you sleep well? And of course do you use drugs. That's what builds muscle. But the muscle size and how soon they grow are all from GENETICS.  And listening to your body is knowing when your working into the "pain zone" and beyond or if you just stop cuz its "hurting". If you get run down and don't feel well then take a day off But learn the difference in being tired/wore out and just being plain ole lazy. Also if you don't like the way a certain exercise feels then don't do it. Find something you like. If you don't like benches then don't do them. just because others do them and get great results does not mean you have to do them. Try things out.


I hear that Genetics is the key to bodybuilding.  The problem is who knows what potential for muscles that the genes hold? A narrow guy like Larry Scott didn't look like he had the genetics. He found ways to train that delivered extra size. Also, steroids and other drugs aren't something anyone should have to take just to get as big as possible. If you eliminate drugs then training protocols, equipment and everything else matter a lot. So, what does the average guy do with ordinary genetics and no drugs?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on April 10, 2020, 02:44:04 AM
Also why are you looking for a "protocol" ? A blue print to follow?  It doesn't work that way. You can follow a routine  exactly that someone else said they used and you wont gain anything. What works for me may not work for you. And don't wait ten years to switch from bench to inclines ( as an example).  If something hasn't made a change in your body ( muscle size, strength etc) in a few weeks or months then look at what your doing. If you can say  with all honesty that you have been pushing into the pain zone, eating right, sleeping right and using the right drugs ( if you use drugs) then switch things around. That's why keeping a workout journal can be helpful. Alot of pros say they do or have kept one but they are really lying. They have great response ( genetics and drugs) to any type of workout.


You suggest that trial and error is the way to get big. That surely can't be the method? Guys have been getting big for 80 years at least. Some methods and protocols must be superior to others.

This do what works for you doesn't tell us what we have to do except experiment. Bodybuilding on one level is fairly straight forward. We all know that. Lift and get bigger. So far so good.

What to do when plateaus are reached and nothing seems to work? At any one time, when gyms were open, perhaps more than 80 % were not growing significantly. The result is guys blasting

away for years and years and not changing much at all.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Griffith on April 10, 2020, 02:51:02 AM

You suggest that trial and error is the way to get big. That surely can't be the method? Guys have been getting big for 80 years at least. Some methods and protocols must be superior to others.

This do what works for you doesn't tell us what we have to do except experiment. Bodybuilding on one level is fairly straight forward. We all know that. Lift and get bigger. So far so good.

What to do when plateaus are reached and nothing seems to work? At any one time, when gyms were open, perhaps more than 80 % were not growing significantly. The result is guys blasting away for years and years and not changing much at all.

As a natural, at a point when a certain level is reached, doesn't it become more about maintaining?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on April 10, 2020, 05:39:43 AM
First off as much as I'm amazed and follow steroid bodybuilding should we take training advice from a guy that looks like shit off of drugs?  Where did the work ethic and training knowledge go?  Should a guy brag about his physique with pictures here when it's a drug picture?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on April 10, 2020, 05:40:32 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 10, 2020, 06:51:16 AM
Please Lets stop ruining this unique Arnold 1980 thread !!!!





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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 10, 2020, 06:53:25 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JAGO on April 10, 2020, 07:51:29 AM
An account on Instagram bodybuilding70's has a few pics of Arnold I had never seen ( https://www.instagram.com/p/B-U_0IODJUo/ )

"The backdoor of Gold's Gym 1006 Pacific Ave... This is around 1970-72, because the top "vented" windows in front are still operational AND the BIG windows in front are still operational, Ken Sprague boarded up the big windows and I believe Dave Sachs, the previous owner (between Joe and Ken) boarded up the top vented windows... "

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: njflex on April 10, 2020, 07:57:18 AM
An account on Instagram bodybuilding70's has a few pics of Arnold I had never seen ( https://www.instagram.com/p/B-U_0IODJUo/ )

"The backdoor of Gold's Gym 1006 Pacific Ave... This is around 1970-72, because the top "vented" windows in front are still operational AND the BIG windows in front are still operational, Ken Sprague boarded up the big windows and I believe Dave Sachs, the previous owner (between Joe and Ken) boarded up the top vented windows... "

J


still to this day the most profilic bber to ever live he was and is its biggest star/promoter ever.
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Post by: oldtimer1 on April 10, 2020, 08:19:44 AM
1980
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Post by: pamith on April 10, 2020, 03:23:25 PM
Great pictures! Keep them coming
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Post by: Hypertrophy on April 10, 2020, 04:04:39 PM
An account on Instagram bodybuilding70's has a few pics of Arnold I had never seen ( https://www.instagram.com/p/B-U_0IODJUo/ )

"The backdoor of Gold's Gym 1006 Pacific Ave... This is around 1970-72, because the top "vented" windows in front are still operational AND the BIG windows in front are still operational, Ken Sprague boarded up the big windows and I believe Dave Sachs, the previous owner (between Joe and Ken) boarded up the top vented windows... "

J



That's a great pic of Denny Gable with Arnold. Always liked his physique. Here's another one- and of course Arnold's calves :)
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Post by: oldtimer1 on April 10, 2020, 04:48:01 PM
Current pro's couldn't stand next to this without looking like crap with their soft bloated muscle and big waist.
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Post by: pellius on April 10, 2020, 05:22:18 PM
That's a great pic of Denny Gable with Arnold. Always liked his physique. Here's another one- and of course Arnold's calves :)

Always, good to see them training barefoot. Coming from Hawaii I trained that way for about ten years. When I moved to the mainland there was a guy at Barlow's gym in Torrance, Ca. always hated that I trained without shoes. When James Barlow passed away this guy bought the gym and mandated that everyone has to wear shoes.
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Post by: Pet shop boys on April 10, 2020, 06:40:29 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Vince B on April 10, 2020, 06:49:06 PM
How come Franco was allowed backstage in 1980? He even came out during the judging to assist Arnold. Ah, the good old days.
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Post by: Vince B on April 10, 2020, 06:56:33 PM
Danny Padilla. Uncompared, uncrowned Mr Olympia 1980!
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Post by: oldtimer1 on April 10, 2020, 07:42:22 PM
This is what quality muscle looks like.
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 10, 2020, 10:25:41 PM
First off as much as I'm amazed and follow steroid bodybuilding should we take training advice from a guy that looks like shit off of drugs?  Where did the work ethic and training knowledge go?  Should a guy brag about his physique with pictures here when it's a drug picture?

Chris cormier has cancer or what happened to him?
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Post by: JAGO on April 11, 2020, 01:49:30 AM
Chris cormier has cancer or what happened to him?

That was when he came out of the hospital - he had been using crack day and night for months. Chris commented on his situation on an Generation Iron Video.

J
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 11, 2020, 01:56:51 AM
That was when he came out of the hospital - he had been using crack day and night for months. Chris commented on his situation on an Generation Iron Video.

J

Ah fuck I wish i didnt know that. How much more of my youth is going to be stolen from me? Ronnie is a thin midget Dorian is a skinny hippy Cormier is a crackhead oh fuck me

I remember getting an autographed photo of ronnie in 2003.

Oh my God is this really happening?

I keep silently hearing those words in my mind...i just want it all to stop...
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Post by: Vince B on April 11, 2020, 05:43:30 AM
Ah fuck I wish i didnt know that. How much more of my youth is going to be stolen from me? Ronnie is a thin midget Dorian is a skinny hippy Cormier is a crackhead oh fuck me

I remember getting an autographed photo of ronnie in 2003.

Oh my God is this really happening?

I keep silently hearing those words in my mind...i just want it all to stop...

No worries at all. Now you might be bigger than those heroes!
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Post by: JAGO on April 11, 2020, 08:28:53 AM
Ah fuck I wish i didnt know that. How much more of my youth is going to be stolen from me? Ronnie is a thin midget Dorian is a skinny hippy Cormier is a crackhead oh fuck me

I remember getting an autographed photo of ronnie in 2003.

Oh my God is this really happening?

I keep silently hearing those words in my mind...i just want it all to stop...

I know what you mean - sort of a loss of innocence. I recall how badly I wanted to go to the original Golds, take a real shot at this. When I found out about the underbelly, fake weights in magazines, I just felt . . . Lied to!I guess.

J
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Post by: IroNat on April 11, 2020, 10:53:49 AM
I know what you mean - sort of a loss of innocence. I recall how badly I wanted to go to the original Golds, take a real shot at this. When I found out about the underbelly, fake weights in magazines, I just felt . . . Lied to!I guess.

J

That's one reason why competitive bodybuilder lie about their drug use.

If people knew the truth they wouldn't idolize these fools.

Well, most people wouldn't.  Fools on Getbig still would.

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Post by: illuminati on April 11, 2020, 12:05:33 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how many seemingly Naive & Easily Hurt Posters there are
On Getbig - with hardly ever a Good word to say about bodybuilders more so when they
Are posting on a Bodybuilding forum - Perhaps Ron should change the Name to
Hate Big Muscles.

If you don’t like / don’t take Steroids great good for you accept that you’re not going to
Grow anywhere near as big as an Arnold or any other top pro or amateur Bodybuilder
Quit whining & be Happy with your own Physique.

Can we all now stop the Non Arnold posts.
It is a 1980Arnold thread.
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Post by: IroNat on April 11, 2020, 02:32:40 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how many seemingly Naive & Easily Hurt Posters there are
On Getbig - with hardly ever a Good word to say about bodybuilders more so when they
Are posting on a Bodybuilding forum - Perhaps Ron should change the Name to
Hate Big Muscles.

If you don’t like / don’t take Steroids great good for you accept that you’re not going to
Grow anywhere near as big as an Arnold or any other top pro or amateur Bodybuilder
Quit winning & be Happy with your own Physique.

Can we all now stop the Non Arnold posts.
It is a 1980Arnold thread.

Truth.

Forget about competing if you are a natty unless you don't mind looking like a emaciated concentration camp inmate.

(http://fordsgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MnTeenWinner_CollinBurke_1585-683x1024.jpg)
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Post by: Teutonic Knight 1 on April 11, 2020, 02:35:53 PM
Truth.

Forget about competing if you are a natty unless you don't mind looking like a emaciated concentration camp inmate.



That physique will get more pussy than any Mr.Olympia since 1981 !.
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Post by: Griffith on April 12, 2020, 12:41:51 AM
That physique will get more pussy than any Mr.Olympia since 1981 !.

True.
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Post by: bigbychoices on April 12, 2020, 06:02:19 AM
back to talk about Arnold.  He had the perfect body in the early 70s. Everything was balanced. Huge but balanced. When he won on 1980 i was shocked at how he looked. He didn't look like i thought he should of to win. But then i realized i was expecting him to look like he used to. I was comparing the 1980 arnold to the previous version. That's why people are having issues with him winning. Comparing him to the old  arnold. His thighs from the front was down for sure but in every other pose they were good. So then i started comparing him to the others. And yep he wins when he is compared to them in a line up.  People like zane and mentzer etc look good all by themselves. BUT when next to arnold they vanish. He was just to much for them. In fact standing sideways those 2 didnt even look like they worked out!!  Roger walker in my opinion got robbed. He should of been higher. Rugged and huge. Padilla of course was awesome and should of been higher. Dickerson should of been farther down the list.
                                                 I remember joe weider said something along the lines of "you all should be glad Arnold won because if he had lost he wouldof  came back with a vengeance and won for 10 more years"  (or something like that).  And i believe he would of. Arnolds best body part was and is his mind. He had awesome mind power. He was determined to become a success. Now we were talking about genetics and being able to tell etc. Looking at Arnold as a youngster he looked like he would never have genetics for anything. But once he started training he grew. Plus he used his mind to develop the ultimate body. No one came close really and certainly these pos guys nowdays. I believe it was casey viator who once said "Arnolds pre contest training would kill most humans".  The man left nothing to chance. And for training advice if you ask Arnold what exercises he did he will reply "all of them".
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 12, 2020, 09:38:52 AM
back to talk about Arnold.  He had the perfect body in the early 70s. Everything was balanced. Huge but balanced. When he won on 1980 i was shocked at how he looked. He didn't look like i thought he should of to win. But then i realized i was expecting him to look like he used to. I was comparing the 1980 arnold to the previous version. That's why people are having issues with him winning. Comparing him to the old  arnold. His thighs from the front was down for sure but in every other pose they were good. So then i started comparing him to the others. And yep he wins when he is compared to them in a line up.  People like zane and mentzer etc look good all by themselves. BUT when next to arnold they vanish. He was just to much for them. In fact standing sideways those 2 didnt even look like they worked out!! &guy walker in my opinion got robbed. He should of been higher. Rugged and huge. Padilla of course was awesome and should of been higher. Dickerson should of been farther down the list.
                                                 I remember joe weider said something along the lines of "you all should be glad Arnold won because if he had lost he wouldof  came back with a vengeance and won for 10 more years"  (or something like that).  And i believe he would of. Arnolds best body part was and is his mind. He had awesome mind power. He was determined to become a success. Now we were talking about genetics and being able to tell etc. Looking at Arnold as a youngster he looked like he would never have genetics for anything. But once he started training he grew. Plus he used his mind to develop the ultimate body. No one came close really and certainly these pos guys nowdays. I believe it was casey viator who once said "Arnolds pre contest training would kill most humans".  The man left nothing to chance. And for training advice if you ask Arnold what exercises he did he will reply "all of them".


Arnold was so great because he developed genuine passion for the sport at a very young age. We speak of the man with such reverence because most of us (i think) have similar stories. What I mean is starting out young and skinny and falling love with being sore and getting bigger and stronger.

He was also so great because early on he built his foundation and then bodybuilded what he had created into a masterpiece. As you poimted out he was super thick from the side which set him apart from the other guys. It was his years of heavy deadlifting pressing rowing squating etc that got him there.

That he did every exercise conceivable was probably not the huge advantage you think it ought to have been. Speaking from personal experience my body made almost unbelievable progress when I started keeping a log like Dorian talked about. Every workout I could check to see what i did the week before and simply add more weight reps or both.

This would not be practical if every week you are doing totally different movements. Training in such fashion you're never really able to give a set 110% because its hit or miss with the amount of weight you're putting on the bar. Sometimes you nail it most of the time you cant get a real set in because you guess too high or low and the only way to compensate is by adding more sets. This is very inneficient and outdated.

Anyway somebody should get a thread going on Padilla at the 80 Mr O. His arms were out of this world! I dont know much about him
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on April 12, 2020, 09:47:06 AM
That physique will get more pussy than any Mr.Olympia since 1981 !.

Get real with your maturity we arent 14 and believing protein ads in bbing magazines anymore. At least I dont, you on the other hand I am not sure about.
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Post by: bigbychoices on April 12, 2020, 10:53:43 AM
Arnold didn't mean he switched exercises every workout when he said "all of them".  What he meant was when 1 stopped working he would change it. He wouldn't feel like this exercise did much so he didn't use it no more. So he experimented. Found what worked for him and used those. I agree with keeping journals but re,ember just because you got 1 more rep today doesn't always  mean you improved. Yes its 1 more rep but there is alot more to do with it. Energy that day, technique, same bar same weights, time of day etc. Its a nice guide and helps with motivation for sure.
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Post by: AbrahamG on April 14, 2020, 08:10:41 PM
Truth.

Forget about competing if you are a natty unless you don't mind looking like a emaciated concentration camp inmate.

(http://fordsgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MnTeenWinner_CollinBurke_1585-683x1024.jpg)

Sorry about your poor genetics.  Switch to long distance running.  Or cock sucking.  :)
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Post by: Teutonic Knight 1 on April 15, 2020, 01:15:01 AM
Get real with your maturity we arent 14 and believing protein ads in bbing magazines anymore. At least I dont, you on the other hand I am not sure about.


Wow, body b. mags still exist  :o .

Slim & sporty guys get the best pussy , old & stocky body bears NOT.
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Post by: MAXX on April 15, 2020, 02:56:39 AM
Sorry about your poor genetics.  Switch to long distance running.  Or cock sucking.  :)
lets see your pics without steroids.

all your hero's are needle and substance addicts
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Post by: tommywishbone on April 15, 2020, 08:40:12 AM
lets see your pics without steroids.

all your hero's are needle and substance addicts

Oh yes.  And if they are a professional athlete being paid money to play a sport... They are using drugs. All of them. Every single one. And that's the way we want it. M
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Post by: Taffin on April 15, 2020, 09:09:37 AM
Sorry about your poor genetics.  Switch to long distance running.  Or cock sucking.  :)


Long distance c0ck sucking..?   ???
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Taffin on April 15, 2020, 09:10:10 AM
Oh yes.  And if they are a professional athlete being paid money to play a sport... They are using drugs. All of them. Every single one. And that's the way we want it. M


Quoted for truth
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Post by: AbrahamG on April 15, 2020, 05:11:18 PM

Long distance c0ck sucking..?   ???

That implies that he not only sucks the cock but long cocks at that.  Lets go with this theory.  :)
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Post by: ArnoldPlatz on April 30, 2020, 10:46:52 PM
1980 BACKSTAGE ;D
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Post by: illuminati on May 03, 2020, 01:07:03 AM
lets see your pics without steroids.

all your hero's are needle and substance addicts


Why are so many so worked up about Bodybuilders using PEDs - if you don’t want to use Great good for you. You don’t see many PED Users Slagging you off.
I’d bet a lot of money your quick to use any drugs given by doctor/ hospital/ dentist & OTC Drugs
If you’re not feeling well. So Much for Naturals. 🙄
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Post by: ArnoldPlatz on June 02, 2020, 08:56:36 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 02, 2020, 09:22:52 PM
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: a_pupil on June 03, 2020, 03:14:52 AM
I rewatched the documentary. Leaner face Arnold looked so much more handsome. No hair loss and perfect skin.

Golden era guys need to release their true cycles as it's strange they all looked healthy, whereas today 21 year old bbers look 40
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 03, 2020, 01:39:53 PM
I rewatched the documentary. Leaner face Arnold looked so much more handsome. No hair loss and perfect skin.

Golden era guys need to release their true cycles as it's strange they all looked healthy, whereas today 21 year old bbers look 40


WooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: Vince B on June 12, 2020, 11:24:23 PM
Good news,  I found some slides from this contest so will post photos when I scan them. Zane, Walker, Mentzer, Reg Park.

I didn't realise that George Butler was there on stage taking photos from behind the competitors. I knew Nailon was there.

So here is one of George's photos enhanced and edited a bit. I would like to see the originals. These are the only shots of

the crowd and I think I can see some people from my gym.

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Post by: JAGO on June 13, 2020, 02:23:47 AM
An angle I have never seen before.

J
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Post by: Natural_O on June 23, 2020, 11:36:56 AM
Mentzer at the 1980 Mr. Olympia
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Post by: oldschoolfan on June 23, 2020, 03:23:11 PM
Love this photo
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Post by: hench on June 24, 2020, 12:40:43 PM
Yea its crazy how much thicker and bigger arnold is than mentzer stood in the background and relaxed
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 24, 2020, 12:42:06 PM
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH  TANA KA
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 24, 2020, 12:43:05 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Pet shop boys on June 24, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH   LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on June 24, 2020, 01:39:31 PM
Mentzer at the 1980 Mr. Olympia

That’s a good shot of Mike
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Post by: oldschoolfan on June 24, 2020, 01:59:02 PM
That’s a good shot of Mike

Hell YeAh it is mentzers conditioning was a lot better
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Post by: illuminati on June 24, 2020, 10:32:34 PM
I rewatched the documentary. Leaner face Arnold looked so much more handsome. No hair loss and perfect skin.

Golden era guys need to release their true cycles as it's strange they all looked healthy, whereas today 21 year old bbers look 40


Some of it probably down to Good quality Pharma drugs.
And little or no use of insulin
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on June 25, 2020, 02:46:03 AM
Hell YeAh it is mentzers conditioning was a lot better

Than what? a relaxed Schwarzenegger..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldschoolfan on June 25, 2020, 08:38:10 AM
Here is another good pic of mike his waist is way smaller
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Post by: Natural_O on June 25, 2020, 06:27:27 PM
Another great shot of Mentzer
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Post by: AbrahamG on June 25, 2020, 10:06:49 PM
Arnold is numero uno.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Body-Buildah on June 26, 2020, 03:15:42 AM
too bad hes an estrogen soaked, cuck girly man he so much despised when he was younger.
old, ugly, frail mexican maid fukkah
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Post by: hipolito mejia on June 26, 2020, 03:25:48 AM
Arnold is numero uno.

This. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rambone on June 26, 2020, 05:09:42 AM
too bad hes an estrogen soaked, cuck girly man he so much despised when he was younger.
old, ugly, frail mexican maid fukkah

Mexican? Guatemalan....worse
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldschoolfan on June 26, 2020, 07:24:17 AM
Another great shot of Mentzer

that is a great pic of  mike, i read muscle smoke and mirrors volume 3 arnold rigged that contest
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Flexacon on June 26, 2020, 08:32:54 AM
A young Goodrum there in the background. He must have been standing on a chair or something  ???

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=1254562;image)
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Post by: ArnoldPlatz on July 05, 2020, 06:02:26 AM
1980 mo ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on July 05, 2020, 06:03:29 AM
1980 BACKSTAGE ;D

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=1113385)


 ;D
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Post by: ArnoldPlatz on July 10, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
 ;D
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Post by: ArnoldPlatz on July 13, 2020, 07:31:53 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tommywishbone on July 13, 2020, 10:19:29 PM
Wow!  A few pics I've NEVER seen. Wow.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on July 14, 2020, 12:49:18 AM
Wow!  A few pics I've NEVER seen. Wow.

One of many things Arnold was good at was sucking in his gut at all times. That was common practice all through the early days going back to the 1800s.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: johnny1 on July 14, 2020, 03:18:10 AM
One of many things Arnold was good at was sucking in his gut at all times. That was common practice all through the early days going back to the 1800s.
yup the thing is in Arnold’s case he was very disciplined and very much aware @ all times whenever he stepped out onstage, it’s something that’s been long missing in the pro ranks if you look back too say the 1980s....MOST the top guys also made a point of keeping there abs in, I’d say with the newer generation of the 1990s this “problem” of guts protruding and guys just in general not giving a shit started a trend that continued too this day.
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Post by: Natural_O on July 14, 2020, 07:31:44 AM
yup the thing is in Arnold’s case he was very disciplined and very much aware @ all times whenever he stepped out onstage, it’s something that’s been long missing in the pro ranks if you look back too say the 1980s....MOST the top guys also made a point of keeping there abs in, I’d say with the newer generation of the 1990s this “problem” of guts protruding and guys just in general not giving a shit started a trend that continued too this day.

Franco was the same way in 1981. While everyone else was standing relaxed, he was flexed to the front the whole time on stage.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on July 15, 2020, 12:40:30 AM
Franco was the same way in 1981. While everyone else was standing relaxed, he was flexed to the front the whole time on stage.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=1259491;image)

Jeeze, everytime I look at Danny in 81 I just think pure perfection. Not too much of this, not too little of that -- everything just right. Perfect.

What an injustice that was done to Padilla and Platz that night. To give it your all. Every last drop you have in you only to have your whole life dreams and aspirations just crushed due to politics.
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Post by: njflex on July 17, 2020, 01:57:05 PM
Jeeze, everytime I look at Danny in 81 I just think pure perfection. Not too much of this, not too little of that -- everything just right. Perfect.

What an injustice that was done to Padilla and Platz that night. To give it your all. Every last drop you have in you only to have your whole life dreams and aspirations just crushed due to politics.
yeah,,,genetically in more ways than one if you remember danny hester has similar look and danny still looks great ,won the classic mr o 1st it came out..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: AbrahamG on July 18, 2020, 12:05:25 AM
Jeeze, everytime I look at Danny in 81 I just think pure perfection. Not too much of this, not too little of that -- everything just right. Perfect.

What an injustice that was done to Padilla and Platz that night. To give it your all. Every last drop you have in you only to have your whole life dreams and aspirations just crushed due to politics.

Danny Padilla was Mr. Olympia that year. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on July 18, 2020, 12:43:05 AM
Danny Padilla was Mr. Olympia that year.

He had the best physique in 1980 as well. Totally overlooked. Not as cut as 81 but still the complete, full physique.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on July 18, 2020, 08:05:21 AM
Danny Padilla was Mr. Olympia that year.

A miniaturized version of Arnold.  He (or Platz) should've won the Olympia in '81.  The whole "but he disappears next to big guys" thing is absurd.  Who is the best built, not the biggest.  It should be about the combination of size, shape, aesthetics, etc.

When you have "massthetics" such as exemplifed by prime Arnold, e.g., 1974, then you have a unicorn that cannot be beaten.  But Padilla was nigh on perfection personified.  There was a rumor that Danny refused to put on some "schoolboy" uniform at the '75 Universe  for some disgusting schomedown.  If true, losing to France was just another payback for being a real man.

Franco supposedly had no problem donning the frock. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on July 18, 2020, 08:45:54 AM
Franco was too dominant that year, just look at the footage, Franco had a unique, super dense, rugged look
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on July 18, 2020, 09:06:47 AM
Franco was too dominant that year, just look at the footage, Franco had a unique, super dense, rugged look

He won and while that cannot be taken away it doesn't prevent some of us from stating that he was gifted in '81.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on July 19, 2020, 04:32:36 PM
I've seen the footage, Franco was the clear winner
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Legendary Physique on July 19, 2020, 06:03:19 PM
Jeeze, everytime I look at Danny in 81 I just think pure perfection. Not too much of this, not too little of that -- everything just right. Perfect.

What an injustice that was done to Padilla and Platz that night. To give it your all. Every last drop you have in you only to have your whole life dreams and aspirations just crushed due to politics.
Disagree. Padilla lacked density. Franco could out bench and out squat Padilla no problem. Deadlifts? Forget about it.
The right man won.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 19, 2020, 06:55:26 PM
1990 Night of the Champions should have been Danny. He was the biggest he ever was but was in condition too. 1981 was his most ripped condition.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on July 20, 2020, 03:26:05 AM
Disagree. Padilla lacked density. Franco could out bench and out squat Padilla no problem. Deadlifts? Forget about it.
The right man won.

Yes, if it was a powerlifting competition Franco would have won assuming he still maintained his strength following that horrible accident. As a bber, 1981 Franco had obvious gyno, never had impressive cuts and definition in his legs even before the accident and because they were down in size it only accented his bow legs. Those obvious and glaring flaws couldn't match Padilla's perfect symmetry and proportions nor Tom Plaz vast improvements in his upper body that together with his unmatched total leg development just overwhelmed Franco.

Look at the horrible gyno on Franco's right pec here in this pic. He's practically lactating. And note the quad comparison with Padilla's here. I'm a big fan of Franco and  no one matched him is his height and weight class during his prime but he never came back fully from that injury. He had too many glaring flaws. He won because Arnold ordained it.

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on July 20, 2020, 07:14:14 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: French on July 20, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
1990 Night of the Champions should have been Danny. He was the biggest he ever was but was in condition too. 1981 was his most ripped condition.

Momo was impossible to beat

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on July 20, 2020, 01:07:33 PM
Time and time I say, you can't just look at a few pictures! Look at the footage!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on July 20, 2020, 04:19:08 PM
Time and time I say, you can't just look at a few pictures! Look at the footage!

Why don't you post this footage you keep talking about? Point out what the rest of us are missing? I would rather listen to a professional who evaluates bbing shows for a living and has competed as a professional, and was actually there in person and preferred Platz or Padilla over Franco, as did the rest of the crowd. Franco was booed when he was announced the winner.

I'll post the link again: https://www.strength-oldschool.com/blogs/news/1981-mr-olympia-the-greatest-booing-contest-of-all-time

We can also take note of the review given by another person who makes his living in the bbing industry writing for Iron Man Magazine, who, like Rick Wayne, isn't going by pictures or footage but, unlike you, was actually there in person.


Regarding Danny Padilla

He was followed by one of the true surprises of the contest, a shredded and ripped Danny Padilla! Danny was almost unrecognizable as his genetically perfect body was completely devoid of fat. Was this the same Danny who had once devoured two dozen doughnuts the night before a contest and had actually chewed gum onstage as he easily won the 1977 AFAB Mr. America show? Danny’s face was so gaunt as the skin tightly stretched over his fat-free cheekbones that the audience had to look close to make sure this really was “The Giant Killer” in the flesh! Padilla was amazing with his degree of definition and fat-free muscle. For years, all the bodybuilding experts had told Danny that he had the “perfect physique”, if ONLY he could get ripped. This year, he had listened to his critics and was more ripped than anyone could believe. It looked like he had lost 30 pounds and, if his gaunt face was any indication, had gone through severe torture to arrive at this condition!



And about Tom Platz:


 As Tom Platz stepped onstage next to Katz, the audience gasped! Not since the appearance of the mythical Sergio Oliva had the audience witnessed such a marvel of mass and thickness. Platz smiled a charismatic grin as he acknowledged the shock of the crowd. Platz’s famous legs looked remarkably even more massive as the individual heads of the quadriceps each stood out as thick slabs of beef. However, it was Platz’s upper body that had the audience in shock. Tom looked like he had added at least 15 pounds of beef above the waist since his disappointing ninth place finish a year ago in Sydney. His pecs were massive and full and his thick, wide lats were among the best onstage. Even his much aligned arms were now big! Tom’s thick as a brick abs highlighted his amazing condition to a delighted capacity crowd. It wouldn’t be hyperbole to say that Platz’s massive physique blew every other competitor off the stage the moment he arrived!



And then there was Franco

Unfortunately, Franco’s legs were way out of proportion. His calves were still impressive but his poor quadriceps could not keep pace with his award winning upper body. The thighs had come up in size from their atrophied state but the separation and definition, always a struggle for him, were non existent onstage. Add to this problem a very distracting case of gyno on one of his nipples and it was hard to see Franco winning another Mr. Olympia title tonight.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on July 26, 2020, 03:29:54 PM
I will, in due time
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JAGO on July 26, 2020, 04:40:45 PM
Franco has to have the greatest pecs ever.

J
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on July 26, 2020, 05:34:07 PM
Franco has to have the greatest pecs ever.

J
Yes, next to Arnold and Lou Ferrigno
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on July 26, 2020, 06:58:26 PM
Yes, next to Arnold and Lou Ferrigno

Arnold number one in the pec department. Then you got guys like Lou, Nubret, and Franco.

When you look at bbers today, regardless as to how you feel the direction the sport has taken, every bodypart is now dramatically far more developed today when compared to 70's bbers. Platz-like quads are routine now, delts bigger than their heads with rear delts popping when they use to be nonexistent. The backs today are just insane. Not counting calves, as they don't seem to count calf development much these days, it seems like it's only in the pec developement that hasn't really advance much since the Golden Age. Despite all the modern equipment which I think does work much better than the traditional stuff, none of the modern Mr. O winners can match the pecs of Arnold, Lou, or Franco. And it all came from bench, incline, dumbbell flys and cable cross-overs. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 27, 2020, 01:53:01 PM
Whosshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on July 27, 2020, 02:35:31 PM
Arnold number one in the pec department. Then you got guys like Lou, Nubret, and Franco.

When you look at bbers today, regardless as to how you feel the direction the sport has taken, every bodypart is now dramatically far more developed today when compared to 70's bbers. Platz-like quads are routine now, delts bigger than their heads with rear delts popping when they use to be nonexistent. The backs today are just insane. Not counting calves, as they don't seem to count calf development much these days, it seems like it's only in the pec developement that hasn't really advance much since the Golden Age. Despite all the modern equipment which I think does work much better than the traditional stuff, none of the modern Mr. O winners can match the pecs of Arnold, Lou, or Franco. And it all came from bench, incline, dumbbell flys and cable cross-overs.
I agree
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on August 08, 2020, 11:05:49 PM
AROUND 1980 ;)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on August 08, 2020, 11:09:07 PM
Nobody can beat Arnold
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on August 09, 2020, 05:16:59 PM
1980 mo line up ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on August 10, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
1980 sydney ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on August 10, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on August 20, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on August 22, 2020, 09:41:42 PM
AROUND 1980 ;)

1984
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on August 26, 2020, 07:42:17 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on August 30, 2020, 09:43:38 PM
 :D ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 03, 2020, 08:11:57 PM
:D ;D

 :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 05, 2020, 06:51:55 PM
A repeat but worth putting up again.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 05, 2020, 06:54:11 PM
Another repeat
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 05, 2020, 07:44:36 PM
1980mo ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on September 05, 2020, 08:04:09 PM
1980mo ;D

When I look at these front on shots, it makes me think how all this controversy wouldn't exist if Arnold had an extra two months to bring up those quads. Some claim that he only trained for two months for this show. Others claim three months. Either way this is the biggest bbing show on the planet that others train all year for. Sometimes Arnold's arrogance and hubris gets the better of him/
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 06, 2020, 06:39:40 AM
1980mo ;D



more ;D

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on September 06, 2020, 09:08:21 AM
Arnold still had better quad separation than the others in the comparisons
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 29, 2020, 12:52:03 AM
the  winner... ;D

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on September 29, 2020, 12:54:05 AM
more ;D



another one  ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 06, 2020, 05:25:57 PM
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another one  ;D

 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 06, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: harmankardon1 on October 07, 2020, 12:25:10 AM
Zane looked like a swimmer..
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Methyl m1ke on October 07, 2020, 02:16:42 AM
Zane looked like a swimmer..

Compared to Arnold they ALL did. I cant find a single picture where any competitor is even equaling Arnold in any shot.

Not a single one.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Dokey111 on October 07, 2020, 03:37:33 AM
Zane looked great
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 07, 2020, 12:50:28 PM
Compared to Arnold they ALL did. I cant find a single picture where any competitor is even equaling Arnold in any shot.

Not a single one.


Here.



WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH    TA NA KA
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on October 07, 2020, 03:07:14 PM
Zane looked like a swimmer..

I never got that swimmer meme. Comparing a multi Mr. Olympia winner to a swimmer. Compare Zane to the two greatest swimmers of all time. I just don't see it.

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on October 08, 2020, 08:24:50 AM
 "zane looks like a swimmer" is just an expression due to the fact he was so small. Zane is one of those guys that in a bodybuilding line up he is just tiny. doesnt really look like a bodybuilder. BUT  by himself in certain poses zane is pure perfection. Thats why people have a hard time saying he deserved to be mr olympia. i believe he deserved his victories due to the fact that there were not any real competitors   that gave him any real threat in 77 78 or even 79. However 1980 there was and zane wasnt at his best. I believe he ( or walker)  deserved second.  Dickerson shouldnt of been in the top 6.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on October 08, 2020, 08:50:44 AM
"zane looks like a swimmer" is just an expression due to the fact he was so small. Zane is one of those guys that in a bodybuilding line up he is just tiny. doesnt really look like a bodybuilder. BUT  by himself in certain poses zane is pure perfection. Thats why people have a hard time saying he deserved to be mr olympia. i believe he deserved his victories due to the fact that there were not any real competitors   that gave him any real threat in 77 78 or even 79. However 1980 there was and zane wasnt at his best. I believe he ( or walker)  deserved second.  Dickerson shouldnt of been in the top 6.


No real competitors 🙄   Robby Robinson & Mike Mentzer to name only 2.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldschoolfan on October 08, 2020, 09:18:14 AM

No real competitors 🙄   Robby Robinson & Mike Mentzer to name only 2.

Great post some poster on here are baffling here is my response

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on October 08, 2020, 11:01:02 AM
robby was a great bodybuilder BUT he always blew it at mr olympia time. he could never get it together ( although in his defense he was very ill with the flu in 78 i believe it was) mentzer well he just never had it to begin with. wasnt a bad bodybuilder but no real threat to zane.  frank knew exactly how to dial it in.  plus in that era they ( the ifbb) wanted bb to go mainstream and a frank zane look appealed to almost everyone. it was acheivable by most ( or so they thought) so the powers that be wanted that look to sell mags supps equipment etc.  again i am no fan of zane BUT he was the best in 77 78 79 and i also think in 76 too.  after arnold won in 80 and franco in 81 the ifbb didnt know which direction to take it.  hard to reward it to the little guy (but more complete) because by then people were looking for mass monsters again. so they tried (with dickerson and samir) to keep it achievable by the masses but it just didnt work. so after that they threw that plan away and started going toward mass. and now look where it is today. big bloated big gutted 300 lb slobs. people dont understand bodybuilding was an art. sculpter. not just getting huge. balance synnetry proportion and great posing. the total package. guys nowdays cant pose they eiother look like they are constipated or have their stupid tongue hanging out. smh
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Natural_O on October 09, 2020, 03:12:20 AM
"zane looks like a swimmer" is just an expression due to the fact he was so small. Zane is one of those guys that in a bodybuilding line up he is just tiny. doesnt really look like a bodybuilder. BUT  by himself in certain poses zane is pure perfection. Thats why people have a hard time saying he deserved to be mr olympia. i believe he deserved his victories due to the fact that there were not any real competitors   that gave him any real threat in 77 78 or even 79. However 1980 there was and zane wasnt at his best. I believe he ( or walker)  deserved second.  Dickerson shouldnt of been in the top 6.

No competition? He beat the best bodybuilders in the IFBB during his 3 year win - Robby, Roy Callender, Kal Szkalak, Roger Walker, Dennis Tinerino, Ken Waller, Mike Mentzer, Danny Padilla, Chris Dickerson, Boyer Coe, Ed Corney, Mohamed Makkawy and others. In those days, there were always more competitors in the Under 200 Pound Class and Zane never looked small onstage in that division. It was a different time and he looked fantastic onstage. I saw all three of his wins from 1977-79 and I thought he deserved them all.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on October 09, 2020, 06:48:06 AM
did you even read my post? i said he deserved his 77 78 and 79 wins and maybe should of won in 76 too. when i said there was no real competition i didnt mean that the guys were not great bodybuilders just that they didnt compare to zane.  yes the under 200 lb class was full of awesome bodybuilders but they didnt really have a chance against zane. the over 200 only had 2 or 3 or 4 guys and really only robby stood a chance but he never could dial it in. zane was kinda unique. he was 5ft 9 ish and 185 to 190 for shows. most guys at that time was  very short(under 5ft 7)  to be under 200lbs.  he knew he couldnt bulk up so he did the best with what he had. he was a thinking mans bodybuilder.. i actually thought he looked better in i think 83 or 84.or maybe 85 he filled out was over 200 lbs i believe but still had awesome symmetry ( maybe even better).  the guys then all looked healthy balanced and exactly how its supposed to be. they busted their asses in the gym posed beautifully and didnt have roid guts ( except mentzer he seemed to be the first one to get it ) but then again he started using insulin after he learned from tim belknap how to. tim was a diabetic. in fact mentzer switched his diet around after he started insulin. he went to a high carb low protein diet for shows.   not much was known about insulin then. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on October 09, 2020, 09:11:40 PM
"zane looks like a swimmer" is just an expression due to the fact he was so small. Zane is one of those guys that in a bodybuilding line up he is just tiny. doesnt really look like a bodybuilder. BUT  by himself in certain poses zane is pure perfection. Thats why people have a hard time saying he deserved to be mr olympia. i believe he deserved his victories due to the fact that there were not any real competitors   that gave him any real threat in 77 78 or even 79. However 1980 there was and zane wasnt at his best. I believe he ( or walker)  deserved second.  Dickerson shouldnt of been in the top 6.

Yes, that's a good point. But when I was told that Zane weighed only about 185-190 lbs when he won the Olympia I was surprise how well he stood up standing next to Mentzer, Cole, and Robby. He had a very balance and appealing physique but in my subjective opinion, during his era, 77,78,79 I thought Robby had more of a freak factor and more becoming of a Mr. Olympia.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on October 09, 2020, 09:22:11 PM
I never understood the appeal of Dickerson. He had great calves and his back look great standing relax from the back but I thought that Samir, Zane, Casey, even Beckles all looked better than Dickerson in '82.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on October 09, 2020, 09:29:07 PM
I never understood the appeal of Dickerson. He had great calves and his back look great standing relax from the back but I thought that Samir, Zane, Casey, even Beckles all looked better than Dickerson in '82.

Dicksuckerson was a manho.  He made gay porn and I have zero doubts was gifted his Olympia because he smoked wang like the Marloboro man smoked cigarettes.   He is the WORST Olympia winner of all time.  Even crummier than Phildo the Dildo Heath and I despise Heath no end.

Even worse than Franco '81.  Padilla made Dickerson look like the ambulatory pile of shit he was and still they gave it to that fucking buttslut Dicksuckerson.   He was to train at a gym I used in the 80s and one of the employees told me that Chris wasn't just gay, but a total fucking anal vacuum kind of gay and he wasn't beneath dropping hints like bars of soap in a jailhouse shower. 

I stayed out of the gym that day as I didn't want to put up with that shit and I would not have. 

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on October 09, 2020, 09:48:55 PM
Dicksuckerson was a manho.  He made gay porn and I have zero doubts was gifted his Olympia because he smoked wang like the Marloboro man smoked cigarettes.   He is the WORST Olympia winner of all time.  Even crummier than Phildo the Dildo Heath and I despise Heath no end.

Even worse than Franco '81.  Padilla made Dickerson look like the ambulatory pile of shit he was and still they gave it to that fucking buttslut Dicksuckerson.   He was to train at a gym I used in the 80s and one of the employees told me that Chris wasn't just gay, but a total fucking anal vacuum kind of gay and he wasn't beneath dropping hints like bars of soap in a jailhouse shower. 

I stayed out of the gym that day as I didn't want to put up with that shit and I would not have.

LOL @ "anal vacuum"! You do have a way with words. I'm definitely going to use that in the future. Sometimes I regret calling a truce with Prime when I have so much material to work with but he was really bringing out the worse in me and I decided it was better to just live and let live as long as he doesn't provoke me. We've been able to maintain a precarious detante so far.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Dokey111 on October 10, 2020, 07:07:49 AM
LOL @ "anal vacuum"! You do have a way with words. I'm definitely going to use that in the future. Sometimes I regret calling a truce with Prime when I have so much material to work with but he was really bringing out the worse in me and I decided it was better to just live and let live as long as he doesn't provoke me. We've been able to maintain a precarious detante so far.

take it offline
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on October 10, 2020, 06:22:25 PM
take it offline

But I thought you cared?   :'(
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Hypertrophy on October 10, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
I never got that swimmer meme. Comparing a multi Mr. Olympia winner to a swimmer. Compare Zane to the two greatest swimmers of all time. I just don't see it.

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In the early 80's there was a fitness show on network TV that was usually on late afternoon. Can't recall the name. Zane was on it and gave exercise tips and workout programs. I was taken aback at how big and perfect he looked. Some swimmer, lol
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 24, 2020, 06:00:05 PM
Arnold's worst shape ever for Olympia :'(
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 25, 2020, 05:29:45 PM
 :D ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 25, 2020, 05:30:57 PM
delts :o
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on October 26, 2020, 03:26:29 AM
Arnold's worst shape ever for Olympia :'(

The angle doesn’t help in that picture .  On stage he owned everyone. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on October 26, 2020, 04:26:05 PM
Arnold's worst shape ever for Olympia :'(


Looks like that pic has been very badly altered
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: tres_taco_combo on October 26, 2020, 08:30:27 PM
delts :o

interesting how the rear bicep... the guys here are standing up straight.... now the butt is popped out and legs are more engaged
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on October 26, 2020, 09:27:49 PM
interesting how the rear bicep... the guys here are standing up straight.... now the butt is popped out and legs are more engaged

They're squatty little midgies, even the taller ones.  The do this no matter their positioning, front, back, side, it matters not. They're all little guys in their minds because without their dope they would be skinny, flabby midgies.

They squish themselves down to show their oversized legs and they stick their asses out to mesmerize their schmoe followers.  Fucking disgusting turds.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 27, 2020, 07:50:29 PM
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 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 27, 2020, 07:54:41 PM
[Photo by Robert Nailon]

in 1980, Arnold's delts looked unusually big...is it just me? ??? ;)

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: karasan on October 27, 2020, 09:14:14 PM
[Photo by Robert Nailon]

in 1980, Arnold's delts looked unusually big...is it just me? ??? ;)

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Absolutely, I was about to write this.
It really helped him on stage, he was the widest among them all.
His relatively weak bodypart was his strong point that year, he really is smart, he was lighter and relatively smaller but he came dry and with the help of fuller delts his large frame crushed his apponents.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on October 28, 2020, 04:24:32 AM
[Photo by Robert Nailon]

in 1980, Arnold's delts looked unusually big...is it just me? ??? ;)

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=1280421)

Synthol.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on October 29, 2020, 04:34:25 PM
1980 backstage shots ;D

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on November 02, 2020, 03:32:50 AM
 :D ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on November 06, 2020, 03:17:43 AM
:D ;D

Arnold owning Boyer there.  Arnold is untouchable in those poses.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on November 08, 2020, 04:13:47 PM
1980 backstage shots ;D



more backstage shots ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on November 08, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
1980 backstage shots ;D



more backstage shots ;D


Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on November 09, 2020, 09:36:04 PM
1980 backstage shots ;D

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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hardgainerj on November 10, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
Unpopular opinion zane had odd structure he just knew how to pose
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Dokey111 on November 10, 2020, 07:56:33 AM
Unpopular opinion zane Arnold had odd structure he just knew how to pose

fuxed
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hardgainerj on November 10, 2020, 08:47:34 AM
I never got that swimmer meme. Comparing a multi Mr. Olympia winner to a swimmer. Compare Zane to the two greatest swimmers of all time. I just don't see it.

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Zane has the structure of an amphibian
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on November 19, 2020, 08:27:41 PM

[ FHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia  ;D




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Post by: ArnoldPlatz on November 20, 2020, 09:56:13 PM
[ FHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia  ;D








[ 4K UHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia  ;D



Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 21, 2020, 08:49:53 AM
Arnold at 80% was more than good enough to win the 1980 Olympia. If he came in 1975, 74, 73, etc he would have destroyed the competition with no controversy.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on November 21, 2020, 12:43:56 PM
Arnold at 80% was more than good enough to win the 1980 Olympia. If he came in 1975, 74, 73, etc he would have destroyed the competition with no controversy.

Bill Pearl, presumably trying to make an argument that Arnold didn't deserve to win in 1980 commented that this victory implied that bbing hadn't progressed at all in the last five years since Arnold first retired in 1975. He was ironically correct in that assessment. As much as I am a fan of Mentzer and felt he should have won in 1980 nobody on that stage matched any version of Arnold when he was Mr. Olympia. He could have easily have kept winning up to 1983 and maybe even have beaten Haney as you never know what kind of progress he would have made during those years. He still would have been only 37 years old in 1983 which is still prime bbing years.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on November 21, 2020, 01:49:56 PM
Bill Pearl, presumably trying to make an argument that Arnold didn't deserve to win in 1980 commented that this victory implied that bbing hadn't progressed at all in the last five years since Arnold first retired in 1975. He was ironically correct in that assessment. As much as I am a fan of Mentzer and felt he should have won in 1980 nobody on that stage matched any version of Arnold when he was Mr. Olympia. He could have easily have kept winning up to 1983 and maybe even have beaten Haney as you never know what kind of progress he would have made during those years. He still would have been only 37 years old in 1983 which is still prime bbing years.

As much as I like Bill Pearl I think he was just sticking up for Chris dicksuckersin.  And I too I'm a big fan of Mike Mentzer but as you said nobody could match Arnold.  Haney is a bloated midget next to Arnold and not only that he's fugly. Of course it's just my opinion but I tend to think in this case I am correct, brother.  Haney was gifted more than once in a stupid attempt by Weider to "humble" Arnold.

He failed.

To me everyone today is just over stuffed.They are way too heavy for their height.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: AbrahamG on November 21, 2020, 06:20:34 PM
As much as I like Bill Pearl I think he was just sticking up for Chris dicksuckersin.  And I too I'm a big fan of Mike Mentzer but as you said nobody could match Arnold.  Haney is a bloated midget next to Arnold and not only that he's fugly. Of course it's just my opinion but I tend to think in this case I am correct, brother.  Haney was gifted more than once in a stupid attempt by Weider to "humble" Arnold.

He failed.

To me everyone today is just over stuffed.They are way too heavy for their height.

This gets me every time. Lol.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Griffith on November 22, 2020, 02:03:21 AM
As much as I like Bill Pearl I think he was just sticking up for Chris dicksuckersin.  And I too I'm a big fan of Mike Mentzer but as you said nobody could match Arnold.  Haney is a bloated midget next to Arnold and not only that he's fugly. Of course it's just my opinion but I tend to think in this case I am correct, brother.  Haney was gifted more than once in a stupid attempt by Weider to "humble" Arnold.

He failed.

To me everyone today is just over stuffed.They are way too heavy for their height.

Lee Haney's height was 5'11.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on November 22, 2020, 07:20:52 AM
Lee Haney's height was 5'11.

I know but next to the Oak, he's not even a sapling.  Louie was 3 inches taller than Arnold and still couldn't match him.  Haney is okay, but I don't think he is anywhere near prime Arnold.  Being a "midget" isn't just about being shorter in terms of height.  Compared to Arnie, he does indeed come up short in more ways than one.

And he's fugly.  Really fugly.  Zane and Nubret are vastly superior in looks and Steve Reeves makes Haney look even fuglier.  Like I said, I think Joe Weider was trying to belittle Arnold who had surpassed Weider as far as influence goes, by giving Haney 8 Olympia wins.  It didn't work.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Matt on November 22, 2020, 10:37:10 AM
I know but next to the Oak, he's not even a sapling.  Louie was 3 inches taller than Arnold and still couldn't match him.  Haney is okay, but I don't think he is anywhere near prime Arnold.  Being a "midget" isn't just about being shorter in terms of height.  Compared to Arnie, he does indeed come up short in more ways than one.

And he's fugly.  Really fugly.  Zane and Nubret are vastly superior in looks and Steve Reeves makes Haney look even fuglier.  Like I said, I think Joe Weider was trying to belittle Arnold who had surpassed Weider as far as influence goes, by giving Haney 8 Olympia wins.  It didn't work.

To be technically, Lee Haney was 5'11.5" and Arnold was 6'1.5" - so...two inches in height difference between them.

I thought the consensus would be that Lee Haney's best beats Arnold's best, but I guess I never really spent any time researching that question.  I do think that Lee had a level of size ahead of Arnold - I think Lee was both two inches shorter, and 10-lb heavier, which would make for a noteworthy bit of added muscle.  And it's not like Lee was known for his waist being large or anything like that.  I am certain that Arnold - in his best shape - would have been competitive well into the 1980's...but towards the end of Lee's tenure, I'm less certain of.

I don't know, Scott...I'd give that one to Lee Haney myself.  It would depend on the year though.  Arnold's best could have beaten Lee's best in Lee's earlier wins, but I'm less certain about his later ones.

I agree with you about their looks.  ;D

That's an interesting theory about Arnold's influence surpassing that of Joe Weider.  I hadn't thought of that.  Someone said that Arnold purposely didn't make the Arnold Classic prize money more than the Mr. Olympia, out of respect for Joe Weider.  I have no idea if that is actually true or not, though.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on November 22, 2020, 02:36:47 PM
To be technically, Lee Haney was 5'11.5" and Arnold was 6'1.5" - so...two inches in height difference between them.

I thought the consensus would be that Lee Haney's best beats Arnold's best, but I guess I never really spent any time researching that question.  I do think that Lee had a level of size ahead of Arnold - I think Lee was both two inches shorter, and 10-lb heavier, which would make for a noteworthy bit of added muscle.  And it's not like Lee was known for his waist being large or anything like that.  I am certain that Arnold - in his best shape - would have been competitive well into the 1980's...but towards the end of Lee's tenure, I'm less certain of.

I don't know, Scott...I'd give that one to Lee Haney myself.  It would depend on the year though.  Arnold's best could have beaten Lee's best in Lee's earlier wins, but I'm less certain about his later ones.

I agree with you about their looks.  ;D

That's an interesting theory about Arnold's influence surpassing that of Joe Weider.  I hadn't thought of that.  Someone said that Arnold purposely didn't make the Arnold Classic prize money more than the Mr. Olympia, out of respect for Joe Weider.  I have no idea if that is actually true or not, though.

I used to train alongside a couple of Weider's relatives and they would occasionally tell me some things about him .  Weider's ego was easily bruised and Arnold being Arnold, was getting bigger than Weider.  What better way to belittle the Oak than to have someone exceed his Olympia victories?  It didn't really work.

Arnold responded by making more money and increasing his popularity and following. Of late all he can do is make a bigger ass of himself.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on November 22, 2020, 02:40:36 PM
Amazing
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Post by: Methyl m1ke on November 23, 2020, 02:42:56 AM


looked pretty good to me
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on December 07, 2020, 03:28:05 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on December 07, 2020, 08:36:43 PM

[ FHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia  ;D









[ 4K UHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia Part 1  ;D











[ 4K UHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia Part 2  ;D

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on December 08, 2020, 03:48:39 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: LanceD on December 08, 2020, 05:46:49 AM
I used to train alongside a couple of Weider's relatives and they would occasionally tell me some things about him .  Weider's ego was easily bruised and Arnold being Arnold, was getting bigger than Weider.  What better way to belittle the Oak than to have someone exceed his Olympia victories?  It didn't really work.

Arnold responded by making more money and increasing his popularity and following. Of late all he can do is make a bigger ass of himself.

Arnold was 5’10-5’11. He was not taller than me, if you ever stood next to him...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on December 09, 2020, 07:09:52 PM
WITH JOE ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on December 11, 2020, 03:53:18 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on December 27, 2020, 08:55:07 PM

[ FHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia  ;D









[ 4K UHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia Part 1  ;D












[ 4K UHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia Part 2  ;D






 :) ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on December 30, 2020, 06:02:47 AM
 :D ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on February 14, 2021, 06:40:57 PM
Arnold Photos i Remastered  in HD  :D ;D

i can't upload the original picture because it's over 50 mega  per picture, so i'll reduce the size as much as possible and upload it as a JPG file.....please download it from the computer and view it on the full screen ;)



Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on February 15, 2021, 06:26:43 AM
Here is an edit of the Arnold photo.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on February 16, 2021, 06:38:40 PM
[ FHD ]  Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 Mr Olympia  ;D









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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ArnoldPlatz on February 17, 2021, 02:45:36 PM
Arnold Photos i Remastered  in HD  :D ;D

i can't upload the original picture because it's over 50 mega  per picture, so i'll reduce the size as much as possible and upload it as a JPG file.....please download it from the computer and view it on the full screen ;)

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 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 31, 2021, 12:50:10 PM
WooooSHHHHHHH   
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 02, 2021, 02:40:37 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 02, 2021, 02:45:53 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 02, 2021, 02:59:06 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 02, 2021, 02:59:52 PM
 :)
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Post by: Tarantula157 on April 02, 2021, 03:00:34 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on May 28, 2021, 02:43:03 AM
Got an Epson 850 Pro scanner so I have some photos for everyone.

Here is a good shot of the comparisons of the place getters except Boyer Coe.


Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on May 28, 2021, 03:05:15 AM
Got an Epson 850 Pro scanner so I have some photos for everyone.

Here is a good shot of the comparisons of the place getters except Boyer Coe.

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Again, I prefer Mentzer in this shot. A bit light in the pecs but very thick and balanced. Arnold's wide waist and skinny quads throws everything off in this standing relax position. Zane looks very complete and conditioned but just too skinny when standing next to Mike. Zane shines when he's posing alone. Roy Calendar's bow legs ruins everything. Too bad because he's in great condition and his upper body beats everybody standing with him from this perspective. Just not a fan of Dickerson and don't think he belongs up there with the top guys.

Thanks Vince! Great pic!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on May 28, 2021, 04:01:33 AM
Here is Boyer Coe. In my opinion he won the posing round. Superb posing routine and physique. He placed 4th ahead of Mike Mentzer.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 28, 2021, 06:47:19 AM
Again, I prefer Mentzer in this shot. A bit light in the pecs but very thick and balanced. Arnold's wide waist and skinny quads throws everything off in this standing relax position. Zane looks very complete and conditioned but just too skinny when standing next to Mike. Zane shines when he's posing alone. Roy Calendar's bow legs ruins everything. Too bad because he's in great condition and his upper body beats everybody standing with him from this perspective. Just not a fan of Dickerson and don't think he belongs up there with the top guys.

Thanks Vince! Great pic!

I still prefer Arnold in this shot, his torso is way superior than Mentzers... only the quadz are hurting Arnold there .... is not like he had a gut or anything remotely close ... wide waist ? again,  Mentzer isnt exactly Nubret or Bryan Buchanan .



WoSH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on May 28, 2021, 09:14:00 AM
Yea and if you zoom in and say compare arnolds right quad with mentzers arnolds is superior, way deeper separation and not slim in comparison.
I still prefer Arnold in this shot, his torso is way superior than Mentzers... only the quadz are hurting Arnold there .... is not like he had a gut or anything remotely close ... wide waist ? again,  Mentzer isnt exactly Nubret or Bryan Buchanan .



WoSH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on May 28, 2021, 09:39:40 AM
Also looking at the pic on my phone with no zooming you can see arnolds superiority with the shadowing of his muscle separation, chest, abs, delts, abs, delts all deeper and more defined.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on May 29, 2021, 12:12:56 AM
I still prefer Arnold in this shot, his torso is way superior than Mentzers... only the quadz are hurting Arnold there .... is not like he had a gut or anything remotely close ... wide waist ? again,  Mentzer isnt exactly Nubret or Bryan Buchanan .



WoSH

Having a wide waist and relatively narrow, sloping shoulder structure was a very common criticism of Arnold. He was also complimented on how well he use to hide it by twisting his waist slightly in poses so you don't see him fully square on.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on May 29, 2021, 12:19:19 AM
Yea and if you zoom in and say compare arnolds right quad with mentzers arnolds is superior, way deeper separation and not slim in comparison.

Huh? Arnold is taller. A 28 inch thigh on a guy 6'2" compared to a guy with a 28 inch thigh at 5'8" would look a lot bigger on the shorter man. This is one of the reasons tall men are at a disadvantage in bodybuilding. It's hard to look filled out, especially in the legs since most of a person's height comes from the legs.

In his era, despite constant criticism from the younger generation, no one came close to Arnold in his era when it came to legs. No one  match his perfectly proportioned combination of calves, and quads along with the deeply etched separation he had in his quads. It's just in those days it was all arms and chest and, again, that is where Arnold ruled.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on May 29, 2021, 01:24:58 AM
Yea I'm just saying we know his quads were down but if you flash your eyes from arnolds right quad to mikes it doesn't actually look slim in comparison,  plus he's further away from the camera and the separation is superior.

Huh? Arnold is taller. A 28 inch thigh on a guy 6'2" compared to a guy with a 28 inch thigh at 5'8" would look a lot bigger on the shorter man. This is one of the reasons tall men are at a disadvantage in bodybuilding. It's hard to look filled out, especially in the legs since most of a person's height comes from the legs.

In his era, despite constant criticism from the younger generation, no one came close to Arnold in his era when it came to legs. No one  match his perfectly proportioned combination of calves, and quads along with the deeply etched separation he had in his quads. It's just in those days it was all arms and chest and, again, that is where Arnold ruled.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pellius on May 29, 2021, 01:34:27 AM
Yea I'm just saying we know his quads were down but if you flash your eyes from arnolds right quad to mikes it doesn't actually look slim in comparison,  plus he's further away from the camera and the separation is superior.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Arnold's quads were down for that show and were the main thing that brought down his physique. Everything else was top billing even though not matching his prime years. He didn't have to. No one has ever accused Mike of having small quads. For his height and body type his legs, both calves and quads in that era, were world-class.

It's like saying Boyer Cole has small arms because Arnold's is so much bigger. Arms, biceps, was one of Boyer's strong points.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on May 29, 2021, 04:35:19 AM
Yea they were down and some shots and angles it threw off his balance a bit. I'm just saying if you compare in that pic his quads still have better quality and arent small.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Arnold's quads were down for that show and were the main thing that brought down his physique. Everything else was top billing even though not matching his prime years. He didn't have to. No one has ever accused Mike of having small quads. For his height and body type his legs, both calves and quads in that era, were world-class.

It's like saying Boyer Cole has small arms because Arnold's is so much bigger. Arms, biceps, was one of Boyer's strong points.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on May 29, 2021, 06:48:01 AM
In that Pic - 1, Arnold  2, Roy ,  3, Zane or Mike. Zane on shape & Mike on muscle mass.
Arnold dominates & Roy’s upper body Mass is very impressive.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 29, 2021, 10:04:54 AM
40 years later and every single time you see the same 1980 pictures of Arnold back stage pumping up with with Franco helping him, you feel like Arnold is going to get crushed on stage , then you see pictures of Arnold on stage literally crushing the competition owning every single pose, even the abs shots... Lol

Arnold is the real movie in play. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on November 15, 2021, 07:15:57 AM
Arnold won. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on November 15, 2021, 07:44:32 AM
From the back Dickerson was the best bodybuilder, from the front not even top 5 .

you can post your 1980 mr.O top 6

I doubt 2 getbiggers would have the same exact top 6 ....that's why this is the most controversial Mr.O in history


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: pamith on November 15, 2021, 10:44:48 AM
Arnold is unbeatable
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on February 19, 2022, 06:06:12 PM
Frank Zane at prejudging 1980 Mr Olympia. 3rd place.

This is a good thread. Lots of discussions about hypertrophy, etc. Pellius contributed plenty here.



Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Vince B on February 19, 2022, 06:07:26 PM
Chris Dickerson looking like the winner here. Photo I took at the 80 Olympia. Recent edit.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on February 20, 2022, 03:02:18 AM
 Arnold is too often compared to his previous showings, 1980 he still dominated everyone else stood next to them.  From the side everyone else disappeared, arnolds chest still likes a shelf, all his twusring shots still looked amazing. There's an argument for the other top guys stood alone, that's it.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: The Scott on February 20, 2022, 07:57:53 AM
Arnold is too often compared to his previous showings, 1980 he still dominated everyone else stood next to them.  From the side everyone else disappeared, arnolds chest still likes a shelf, all his twusring shots still looked amazing. There's an argument for the other top guys stood alone, that's it.

This ^.


Well said, sir.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 12, 2022, 02:43:00 PM
WooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 12, 2022, 02:44:23 PM
WooSSHHHHHHHHHHH   O THa NY
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 13, 2022, 08:15:18 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 13, 2022, 08:16:52 PM
Hasta aqui te trajo el rio buddy "

Tell Mentzer in English '





WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH  BARRACUDA MODE
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 14, 2022, 06:16:48 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 14, 2022, 06:19:29 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 14, 2022, 08:59:33 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Hulkotron on June 14, 2022, 09:17:50 AM
He was simply too tall for these smaller men.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Royalty on June 14, 2022, 09:50:31 AM
He was simply too tall for these smaller men.

If Ferrigno was there in 1980, we probably would’ve taken down Arnold
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: TheShape. on June 14, 2022, 10:39:13 AM
Still the best on stage that day!
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 03, 2022, 11:13:53 PM
There is only one major difference in our training philosophy as we both believe in trying to achieve DOMS is that you believe that you should continue to train the muscle while it is still sore whereas I believe it should be fully recovered. With calves they would be sore for about two days. By the third day a little bit stiff but OK. The fourth day it would be back to normal. Then I would train it again on the fifth day.

Ha ha you're small. Why hasn't hit got you big?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Gym-Rat on July 04, 2022, 12:45:23 AM
Ha ha you're small. Why hasn't hit got you big?

You replying to a dead guy, just an FYI...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 04, 2022, 01:06:29 AM
Hit certainly didn't work for him.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on July 04, 2022, 03:27:03 PM
Hit certainly didn't work for him.

Piss off - Being disrespectful to a GetBig Great. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 05, 2022, 01:54:39 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=896544;image)


" we can't air this contest on national tv, its obvious Arnold looks inferior than the rest of the guys !




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on November 16, 2022, 09:57:00 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on November 17, 2022, 05:42:25 AM
8) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=1407078;image)

He has the waist of a skinny man there ....then everything else is BIG
he wanst in his best ever but still the best on 1980 Mr.O

Or you had Mentzer beating him ?



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  October 4th.1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: MAXX on November 17, 2022, 06:50:19 AM
Got an Epson 850 Pro scanner so I have some photos for everyone.

Here is a good shot of the comparisons of the place getters except Boyer Coe.
Mentzer most certainly dominating everybody with mass
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on November 17, 2022, 07:50:35 AM
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on November 22, 2022, 08:08:20 AM
On point



WoooSHHHHHH 80
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on November 22, 2022, 10:51:59 AM
Piss off - Being disrespectful to a GetBig Great. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

He was never great.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on November 22, 2022, 04:52:44 PM
He was never great.

You Again - The Lying Rat who couldn't back up your Dorian Story 🙄
Go Back to The Rock you crawled out from under.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on November 23, 2022, 03:45:41 AM
Lean, dry, separated!
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/12/013-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on November 23, 2022, 03:54:34 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4ThbtMXfNBNK8uutLUGb2alpC6oW49BbqKA&usqp=CAU)
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on December 26, 2022, 03:24:12 AM
You Again - The Lying Rat who couldn't back up your Dorian Story 🙄
Go Back to The Rock you crawled out from under.

I backed it up with admittance by Yates himself.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on March 31, 2023, 06:31:27 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on April 03, 2023, 10:57:38 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on April 03, 2023, 11:31:03 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 19, 2023, 02:11:48 PM
W ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 19, 2023, 02:13:17 PM
WoooSHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2023, 02:17:57 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on April 25, 2023, 02:50:12 PM
Look how much lat arnold has there and how low it inserts compared to the others.
Mentzers Bhanks belly really obvious there.
:)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on April 27, 2023, 02:41:35 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 03, 2023, 02:22:08 PM
The lean dry champ

Tanning by the pool and living the life as a winner one more time



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: illuminati on May 03, 2023, 02:49:09 PM
Look how much lat arnold has there and how low it inserts compared to the others.
Mentzers Bhanks belly really obvious there.

Ha Bhanks Belly 😂🤣😂
Yes its noticeable how much thicker in the waist Mike is.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 10, 2023, 09:15:35 AM
Ha Bhanks Belly 😂🤣😂
Yes its noticeable how much thicker in the waist Mike is.

Mike being the furthest away from camera. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: beakdoctor on May 10, 2023, 12:56:54 PM
Mentzer most certainly dominating everybody with mass

Are you being facetious?

Roy's upper body is carrying much more muscle. And legs too with the exception of calves. Mike looks depleted.

But this is a good example why the relaxed should be relaxed and not flexed. Both Arnold and Mike look smaller while standing there tensing their chest and arms.

Roy, Zane and Dickerson all look much fuller.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 23, 2023, 07:40:14 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 23, 2023, 07:41:53 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 23, 2023, 07:44:18 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 23, 2023, 07:46:14 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 23, 2023, 07:47:41 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 23, 2023, 07:49:21 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 23, 2023, 07:50:02 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: njflex on June 23, 2023, 08:12:22 AM
GREAT PICS,,,,
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NotMrAverage on June 23, 2023, 12:07:05 PM
Thats what 8 weeks of Dbol and Primo pills with Adderal all day will do the ARYAN genetics! If we stay with Arnie then. And he won! ;-)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 23, 2023, 01:31:52 PM
Great pics
Padilla and Banout looking big


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: beakdoctor on June 23, 2023, 02:58:44 PM
Emmot looks good in that pic. I thought 80 was the year he had pretty brutal bitch tits. Maybe it was 81.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 24, 2023, 12:40:22 PM
 Few more pics...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 24, 2023, 12:41:53 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on June 24, 2023, 12:45:07 PM
Emmot looks good in that pic. I thought 80 was the year he had pretty brutal bitch tits. Maybe it was 81.

He had them in 80....
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 26, 2023, 06:30:13 AM
Arnold and Chris looking like 1 and 2 .

WoooShhhh happy 4th of October
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 26, 2023, 06:32:07 AM
Aesthetics at their most marketable



Woooshhhhhhhhh  O mai GA'
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 26, 2023, 06:43:51 AM
Arnold's upper body was too much for Mike and the rest to handle.



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH Happy 4th
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 26, 2023, 06:54:36 AM
Dickerson arguably brought the best physique on the day, but Arnold’s height gives him a physical edge that’s hard to overlook.


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on June 28, 2023, 02:13:28 PM
Dickerson arguably brought the best physique on the day, but Arnold’s height gives him a physical edge that’s hard to overlook.


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH

Dickie had a small dropey looking chest and no biceps. That is not going to win a first place trophy.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 28, 2023, 02:22:20 PM
Dickie had a small dropey looking chest and no biceps. That is not going to win a first place trophy.

Judging from the back ....was Chris the best on stage ?

Btw Dorian won it with no biceps



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on June 28, 2023, 11:14:12 PM
Judging from the back ....was Chris the best on stage ?

Btw Dorian won it with no biceps



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH

Dorian had biceps. Chris biceps were non existent. No, Chris was not the best on stage. He came 2nd.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 29, 2023, 12:08:10 PM
Dorian had biceps. Chris biceps were non existent. No, Chris was not the best on stage. He came 2nd.

Mentzer had better biceps than both Chris and Dorian. 

He came 5th.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: sculpture on June 29, 2023, 01:40:23 PM
I say it was between Arnold and Zane for the trophy and would have had no issue if the latter had walked away the winner

It would have been a travesty if Dickerson had won
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: njflex on July 02, 2023, 07:31:37 AM
I say it was between Arnold and Zane for the trophy and would have had no issue if the latter had walked away the winner

It would have been a travesty if Dickerson had won
Zane had an awesome build, but he was small for this one for even him. Dickerson great legs calves, good back posed but yeah he’s droopy packs and arms were lackluster compared to most.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on July 05, 2023, 10:41:41 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: hench on July 05, 2023, 01:07:16 PM
Wow that's a great shot just sat there totally relaxed.
8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 06, 2023, 02:05:07 PM
8)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=481253.0;attach=1449970;image)

Great pic

Bigger and leaner than Mentzer that's evident here..

WooSSHHHHHHHHH 10/4/1980
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: ARNIE1947 on July 10, 2023, 05:46:14 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Palumboism on July 22, 2023, 05:35:48 AM
Arnold was on cocaine that day.   :D

Proof that drugs are only the finishing touch.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 23, 2023, 03:33:56 AM
Arnold was on cocaine that day.   :D

Proof that drugs are only the finishing touch.



So a crackpot meth head claims that Arnold was on cocaine and we should believe this dead junkie? Methzer was a cry baby and would say anything to try and discredit Arnold in that contest. Methzer was a poor loser. If he had any integrity at all he could've accept the placing of 5th and try harder next year. Instead, he threw a tantrum, quit and never stopped whining for the next 20 years making up a lot of claims but with no evidence to prove his case. He could've kept competing for his fans but he couldn't be bothered to do that, he did it for his own selfish reasons. It just goes to show methzer was a true narcissistic little asshole who really thought he was better than he actually was. Meth is one hell of a drug.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JackTheRipper on July 23, 2023, 03:44:10 AM
So a crackpot meth head claims that Arnold was on cocaine and we should believe this dead junkie? Methzer was a cry baby and would say anything to try and discredit Arnold in that contest. Methzer was a poor loser. If he had any integrity at all he could've accept the placing of 5th and try harder next year. Instead, he threw a tantrum, quit and never stopped whining for the next 20 years making up a lot of claims but with no evidence to prove his case. . He could've kept competing for his fans but he couldn't be bothered to do that, he did it for his own selfish reasons. It just goes to show metnzer was a true narcissistic little asshole who really thought he was better than he actually was. Meth is one hell of a drug.

Arnold was & is an Asshole.
a Globalist puppet, a complete scumbag.  Fuck him.
As far as drugs go...if mentzer took drugs which by all accounts he did...then he would know instantly if Arnold was coked out his pea brain.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Gym Rat on July 23, 2023, 04:02:17 AM
Arnie's a whore, who stayed with a  gay millionaire Schmoe (Paco Arse) and pranced around nude for the Schmoe (and probably much more).
Almost as ghey as Ken Sprague...
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JackTheRipper on July 23, 2023, 04:08:42 AM
Arnie's a whore, who stayed with a  gay millionaire Schmoe (Paco Arse) and pranced around nude for the Schmoe (and probably much more).
Almost as ghey as Ken Sprague...
Arnold was up Paul Graham´s ass too... ???
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: bigbychoices on July 23, 2023, 05:25:09 AM
Didn't watch the video. Mentzer was an overrated bodybuilder who believed he was far better than anyone else . He may have been right if he said Arnold was on cocaine. In the late 70s Arnold himself admitted to using alot of it and other street drugs. He wrote an article in muscle builder about being tipped off by another bodybuilder that the feds were waiting for him in columbus ( I think)   He even stated it was nice to know he still had friends in the bodybuilding community. He said he decided to "quit" all drugs . He said he was "no addict" but anted to stop because it was the right thing to do if he was going to achieve his goals ( or something like that)  I would have to look up the article. So yes Arnold was into coke.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JackTheRipper on July 23, 2023, 05:29:14 AM
Didn't watch the video. Mentzer was an overrated bodybuilder who believed he was far better than anyone else . He may have been right if he said Arnold was on cocaine. In the late 70s Arnold himself admitted to using alot of it and other street drugs. He wrote an article in muscle builder about being tipped off by another bodybuilder that the feds were waiting for him in columbus ( I think)   He even stated it was nice to know he still had friends in the bodybuilding community. He said he decided to "quit" all drugs . He said he was "no addict" but anted to stop because it was the right thing to do if he was going to achieve his goals ( or something like that)  I would have to look up the article. So yes Arnold was into cock.

:D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 23, 2023, 06:38:35 AM
Didn't watch the video. Mentzer was an overrated bodybuilder who believed he was far better than anyone else . He may have been right if he said Arnold was on cocaine. In the late 70s Arnold himself admitted to using alot of it and other street drugs. He wrote an article in muscle builder about being tipped off by another bodybuilder that the feds were waiting for him in columbus ( I think)   He even stated it was nice to know he still had friends in the bodybuilding community. He said he decided to "quit" all drugs . He said he was "no addict" but anted to stop because it was the right thing to do if he was going to achieve his goals ( or something like that)  I would have to look up the article. So yes Arnold was into coke.

Doubtful.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 23, 2023, 06:41:28 AM
Arnie's a whore, who stayed with a  gay millionaire Schmoe (Paco Arse) and pranced around nude for the Schmoe (and probably much more).
Almost as ghey as Ken Sprague...

Again, more hate. You do know methzer was gay, right? He used to have guys stay with him where they would pay for his food and bills along with sexual favours.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 23, 2023, 06:45:58 AM
Arnold was up Paul Graham´s ass too... ???

Paul Graham was married. How is he gay?
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Palumboism on July 23, 2023, 06:47:47 AM
Interview of someone who was actually there.

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JackTheRipper on July 23, 2023, 06:49:49 AM
Paul Graham was married. How is he gay?
and? Ken Sprague was / is married. He loved the cock.
do you? :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 23, 2023, 07:11:21 AM
and? Ken Sprague was / is married. He loved the cock.
do you? :D

I'm sure you do.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JackTheRipper on July 23, 2023, 07:31:57 AM
Interview of someone who was actually there.


so what? a lot of people were there & the film crew never showed the Film publicy
it was a fixed show & the old schmoe was bumming Paul & Arnold :D
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 23, 2023, 07:59:42 AM
Interview of someone who was actually there.



Yep and he even says Arnold was the clear winner that day.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 23, 2023, 08:00:58 AM
so what? a lot of people were there & the film crew never showed the Film publicy
it was a fixed show & the old schmoe was bumming Paul & Arnold :D

It was never a fix show. You conspiracy theorists and your delusions. 😃
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: beakdoctor on July 23, 2023, 10:57:21 AM
so what? a lot of people were there & the film crew never showed the Film publicy
it was a fixed show & the old schmoe was bumming Paul & Arnold :D

No. It's well known that Mentzer became a power bottom after melting down in Sidney.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JackTheRipper on July 23, 2023, 11:05:37 AM
No. It's well known that Mentzer became a power bottom after melting down in Sidney.
Get over it bro
ARNOLD loved cock
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: beakdoctor on July 23, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Get over it bro
ARNOLD loved cock

There's nothing to get over. Arnold won and crushed Mentzers spirit in the process. Then,  out of the kindness of his heart, paid some of Mikes bills shortly before he died. Rumor is Mike was so bitterly disgusted with himself for accepting a handout from the man who shat all over his life that he prayed to Ayn Rand for forgiveness then lost the will to live.

Everything worked out well from my point of view.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: wazhazbin on July 24, 2023, 01:17:53 AM
Didn't watch the video. Mentzer was an overrated bodybuilder who believed he was far better than anyone else . He may have been right if he said Arnold was on cocaine. In the late 70s Arnold himself admitted to using alot of it and other street drugs. He wrote an article in muscle builder about being tipped off by another bodybuilder that the feds were waiting for him in columbus ( I think)   He even stated it was nice to know he still had friends in the bodybuilding community. He said he decided to "quit" all drugs . He said he was "no addict" but anted to stop because it was the right thing to do if he was going to achieve his goals ( or something like that)  I would have to look up the article. So yes Arnold was into coke.

waller
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 24, 2023, 04:01:51 AM
There's nothing to get over. Arnold won and crushed Mentzers spirit in the process. Then,  out of the kindness of his heart, paid some of Mikes bills shortly before he died. Rumor is Mike was so bitterly disgusted with himself for accepting a handout from the man who shat all over his life that he prayed to Ayn Rand for forgiveness then lost the will to live.

Everything worked out well from my point of view.

😂😂😂
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: JackTheRipper on July 29, 2023, 01:07:14 PM
There's nothing to get over. Arnold won and crushed Mentzers spirit in the process. Then,  out of the kindness of his heart, paid some of Mikes bills shortly before he died. Rumor is Mike was so bitterly disgusted with himself for accepting a handout from the man who shat all over his life that he prayed to Ayn Rand for forgiveness then lost the will to live.

Everything worked out well from my point of view.
Arnold posed & more for schmoes
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on July 30, 2023, 07:44:06 AM
John Terilli sets the record straight

Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 05, 2023, 01:44:54 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on August 05, 2023, 03:53:26 PM
Mentzer came in fifth. Not fourth, third or second.  His fans are part of the zealot religious sect of the Hit religion.  Watch the film and not only the still pictures. Arnold at 80% won.  Yes, Dickerson came in second. Zane deserved third. Coe deserved fourth.  If anyone had a gripe it was Roy Callender.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Rmj11 on August 05, 2023, 11:44:30 PM
Mentzer came in fifth. Not fourth, third or second.  His fans are part of the zealot religious sect of the Hit religion.  Watch the film and not only the still pictures. Arnold at 80% won.  Yes, Dickerson came in second. Zane deserved third. Coe deserved fourth.  If anyone had a gripe it was Roy Callender.

Too right. methzer looked awful here, more than usual. So much hype behind this guy yet he was a actually a pretty mediocre bodybuilder. Nothing special.There were and are way better bodybuilders than old meth head. John Little is the worst methzer worshipper around. Makes me wonder if their was more to their "friendship" given that methzer was found out to be gay later in life. Little must sleep in methzer's old posing trunks at night unwashed.
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on August 07, 2023, 06:55:46 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 01, 2024, 06:58:44 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 06, 2024, 09:09:19 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 06, 2024, 11:35:52 AM
Too right. methzer looked awful here, more than usual. So much hype behind this guy yet he was a actually a pretty mediocre bodybuilder. Nothing special.There were and are way better bodybuilders than old meth head. John Little is the worst methzer worshipper around. Makes me wonder if their was more to their "friendship" given that methzer was found out to be gay later in life. Little must sleep in methzer's old posing trunks at night unwashed.

You're biased in your hate for Mentzer. He looked good but he got the placing he deserved and that was fifth.  All this gay stuff I'm not buying into.  Unless there is proof positive like an admission or film I'm not speculating what anyone does behind closed doors. That video you put up was a good analysis by that Australian bodybuilder. I wish Arnold appeared in his 73,74 or 75 condition. We wouldn't even be having this conversation about 1980. 
Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 09, 2024, 12:07:02 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 09, 2024, 12:13:40 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - 1980 only - the lean dry champ
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 10, 2024, 04:40:56 PM
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