Booing or not... the video does not lie. Arnold (25lbs lighter than he was previously) was the best bodybuilder on that day.
Get over it.
I took a lot of photos of the 1980 Mr Olympia which was in Sydney. During the finals I was shooting colour slides and got a mate in the row in front of me
to take a video. Would you believe most of that was ruined because he got so excited he started stamping his feet. I haven't looked at it to see if I
recorded the booing at the end. This mate was cheering for Roger Walker who made the finals and thus all the excitement. What a shame
because I was in a great position in the middle of the Concert Hall and we would have had a good view of what happened.
I took a lot of photos of the 1980 Mr Olympia which was in Sydney. During the finals I was shooting colour slides and got a mate in the row in front of me
to take a video. Would you believe most of that was ruined because he got so excited he started stamping his feet. I haven't looked at it to see if I
recorded the booing at the end. This mate was cheering for Roger Walker who made the finals and thus all the excitement. What a shame
because I was in a great position in the middle of the Concert Hall and we would have had a good view of what happened.
If? If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Seriously, it's 2015 and we all need to move on. Arnold won.
in another 35 years , NBC will release the 2014 Mr OLYmpia as well
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I think you're missing the point .... the biggest and better footage of the 1980 contest for some "mysterious" reason never aired...
If is released ,
Well read the questions at beginning of thread
WoooSSHHHHHHHHH
No, I think you are the one missing the point. The point is that this happened in 1980. It's over.
There are no new developments or new ramifications for Arnold or anyone else that was involved.
Let's all get on with our lives.
Unless you watch the actual footage filmed by a professional crew from CBS that traveled exclusively to capture the contest as it really happened.
Things that makes you go WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !
Unless you want to build a time machine it's going to make zero difference. Arnold won. End of story.
Arnold is almost 70 fucking years old at this point. Mentzer lost his mind and dropped dead. It's over. No one cares anymore.
The truth can emerge and change everything ...all you need is a new perspective, a new evidence. - "Frank Zane'
Plus you need to admit that It'd b wicked fun to watch the most respected bodybuilders of all time, in one line up displayed from a neutral source rather than just Weider,Busek,Balik, old pics and articles .
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH the truth will save us all
I don't think so
Booing or not... the video does not lie. Arnold (25lbs lighter than he was previously) was the best bodybuilder on that day.
Get over it.
I took a lot of photos of the 1980 Mr Olympia which was in Sydney. During the finals I was shooting colour slides and got a mate in the row in front of me
to take a video. Would you believe most of that was ruined because he got so excited he started stamping his feet. I haven't looked at it to see if I
recorded the booing at the end. This mate was cheering for Roger Walker who made the finals and thus all the excitement. What a shame
because I was in a great position in the middle of the Concert Hall and we would have had a good view of what happened.
Roy Callender and Chris Dickerson looked incredible but seemed small next to a man of Arnold's stature.
Unless you watch the actual footage filmed by a professional crew from CBS that traveled exclusively to capture the contest as it really happened.
Things that makes you go WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !
I was watching 'The Comeback' on youtube, and noticed this. But I also felt Arnold looked, I dunno, kind of old and tired. Didn't have that enthusiasm from before. Which I guess could be attributed to his focus on Hollywood?
Given that photo above I would have it:
Arnold - 1st.
Mike - 2nd.
Frank - 3rd.
Chris - Does not belong there. At all.
This a great article about the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest -
http://www.starkcenter.org/static/igh/articles/igh11.1.4.pdf
Interesting that I am quoted in that article but John Fair never talked to me. What he wrote was inaccurate as well. John goes into great detail about the judges at the 80 Olympia and their relationship with Arnold.
I had the original judges sheets so compiled the results and made some observations. I was standing in the Opera House before the judging and was talking with Frank Burwash and Peter McCarthy from Melbourne.
Frank was a contest promoter and Peter won the Mr Australia a couple of times plus he won every contest promoted in Australia at his peak. Someone came up to Peter and told him the judges meeting had started.
Peter was upset because no one told him. He raced off but we found out he wasn't allowed to judge because he missed the meeting. He was there for part of the meeting because he is in some of the photos.
I call this bullshit. Peter knows how to judge a bodybuilding contest and was the most respected and awarded bodybuilder in those days. If the accusation of fixing the contest is true then this is how it happened.
Paul Graham apparently decided to replace Peter with young Brendan Ryan who had won only a Junior Mr Australia title and no senior title that I am aware of. I actually judged the contest that he won.
I knew Brendan personally because I hung around Coogee Gym where Brendan trained as did Les Spendlove and Robert Nailon. We knew that Brendan stayed with Arnold when he visited LA. That suggests
they were mates and Brendan would favour Arnold. As it turned out Brendan gave Arnold clear first places in all rounds. Other judges gave several guys a 20 out of 20 score in one or more rounds. So
Brendan's score carried more weight than those who tied several guys. If we replace Brendan's score with the rightful Australian judge, Peter McCarthy, then Arnold might NOT have won. It was that close.
Of course, that is the prejudging and there is another judging at the finals. That is the time 'adjustments' can be made if promoters or officials feel 'errors' have occurred.
Fair quotes Dickerson as complaining about promoter Paul Graham who was a mate of Arnold when they lived together in late 68 up to Paul's arrest in early 69 for sending stolen cars to Australia.
Arnold wasn't arrested so many felt he owed Paul who took the rap. I was in Honolulu the day after Paul was arrested and relatives cut out a clipping showing a muscleman holding a car with the
caption about Paul being arrested by the FBI who handle cases involving interstate or foreign crimes. I sent the clipping to my buddy Robert Nailon who tells me he can't find it. Yeah, sure.
Dickerson swears that Graham was a bigot and called Chris a fag and wouldn't allow him to win the Olympia. Read what Fair wrote in that History article.
Fair used my photos and never paid me for them or got permission to use them. He won't reply to an email I sent him. Funny, that.
In the last photo below you can see Peter McCarthy to the left of Mike's head. Why wasn't he a judge that day?
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/bodybuilding-news/11982-mentzer-vs-arnie.html#.VLUwIVWUeMI
I was watching 'The Comeback' on youtube, and noticed this. But I also felt Arnold looked, I dunno, kind of old and tired. Didn't have that enthusiasm from before. Which I guess could be attributed to his focus on Hollywood?
I took a lot of photos of the 1980 Mr Olympia which was in Sydney. During the finals I was shooting colour slides and got a mate in the row in front of me
to take a video. Would you believe most of that was ruined because he got so excited he started stamping his feet. I haven't looked at it to see if I
recorded the booing at the end. This mate was cheering for Roger Walker who made the finals and thus all the excitement. What a shame
because I was in a great position in the middle of the Concert Hall and we would have had a good view of what happened.
This is my more inspirational picture when dieting.
Imagine a big magnet of this picture on the fridge with the tittle " walk away fatty"
Wooossshhhhh lean dry Oak
This a great article about the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest -The glowing tribute to Arnold from celebrated British children's entertainer Jimmy Savile side by side with a quote from Charles Dickens is kind of funny(and not even with hindsight). :D
http://www.starkcenter.org/static/igh/articles/igh11.1.4.pdf
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;D
The 1980 Olympia has been out for YEARS on VHS and DVD..
I have a poster of this photo. The ones that Arnold used to sell via mail order. The ads were always in Muscle and Fitness magazine back in the day.
It was very close and Arnold, being Arnold, won the day.
In 1980, Zane was lighter and off from his incredible 1979 winning form.
Mentzer looked good but lacked the chest depth and overall stage presence to defeat Arnold.
Roy Callender and Chris Dickerson looked incredible but seemed small next to a man of Arnold's stature.
Boyer Coe lacked abs and back detail and Platz was still too bottom hvy in 1980
I can see why Arnold won and have no problems with it.
Based on what I have seen , I would have picked it:
Roy Calender 1st, Dickerson 2nd, Arnold 3rd, Mentzer 4th...
I had Tom Platz winning in 1981 as he looked incredible.
Franco winning in 1981 was the worst Olympia pick of all time.
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Watching this in HQ video full color , should be something out of this world for the entire bodybuilding community
WoooSSHHHHHHH The most entertaining BB contest of all time
;D
There seems he changed something after 1974 Mr Olympia (or began to experience some health problems associated with drugs).
74 :
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75 :
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Controversial only because Arnold shouldn't have been allowed to compete, not because he was undeserving of the title, won fair and square in my opinion... Most controversial? Hardly... Mr Basile himself, if i remember correctly, said that Arnold was booed for a moment, cheered after...
There seems he changed something after 1974 Mr Olympia (or began to experience some health problems associated with drugs).
74 :
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75 :
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It was very close and Arnold, being Arnold, won the day.
In 1980, Zane was lighter and off from his incredible 1979 winning form.
Mentzer looked good but lacked the chest depth and overall stage presence to defeat Arnold.
Roy Callender and Chris Dickerson looked incredible but seemed small next to a man of Arnold's stature.
Boyer Coe lacked abs and back detail and Platz was still too bottom hvy in 1980
I can see why Arnold won and have no problems with it.
Based on what I have seen , I would have picked it:
Roy Calender 1st, Dickerson 2nd, Arnold 3rd, Mentzer 4th...
I had Tom Platz winning in 1981 as he looked incredible.
Franco winning in 1981 was the worst Olympia pick of all time.
Second was placing Gunter Schlierkamp 5th in 2002, he should have won
At least Gunter did win the GNC handily. Cue Huckster meltdown in 3,2,1...
:o Did he.
Who did Gunter beat to win that Year.....
:)
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The guy next to him in this pic, who he's making look small and smooth. ;D
Ahh Yes Mr Coleman I believe.
He has small hips & a very Bulbous Midsection.
How Could I Have Forgotten That Event.
Ha..😀
Serious question to competitive bbers. How come they don't do RDB like this anymore? Why do they step back and stop and squat down. Just like a standing relax they use to stand normally with a just slight flare of the arms so it doesn't look like you are slouching. Now they flare their arms out which flattens out your delts and makes you look like a school boy that's goofing around trying to look strong in a mocking way. BBers use to have some semblance of dignity when they posed back in the day. Remember in PI how majestic Arnold looked? Didn't have that fake smile when doing a most muscular. That's not a pose that you should smile. It's suppose to be more of a "Look at this, bitches!" pose.GOOD POINTS MAN,,,,BUT UNFORTUNATLEY BBING HAS PROGRESSED 'SO LEGS 'THAT WERE NOT AS PREVELANT THEN LIKE NOW NEED TO BE SEEN /FLEXED ,SO BRINGING LEGS BACK OR TO SIDE SLIGHTLY SHOWS HAM SEPERATION /CALVES FLEXED TOO..
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GOOD POINTS MAN,,,,BUT UNFORTUNATLEY BBING HAS PROGRESSED 'SO LEGS 'THAT WERE NOT AS PREVELANT THEN LIKE NOW NEED TO BE SEEN /FLEXED ,SO BRINGING LEGS BACK OR TO SIDE SLIGHTLY SHOWS HAM SEPERATION /CALVES FLEXED TOO..
But there are specific poses that feature leg development. The rear double bi is mostly back, bis and calves. If you have sick hams and flaring quads it will still be evident. No need to caress them or squat down.incredible build.posed real muscle not todays fluff..
I just feel that more thought and consideration should be taken into having not only an impressive presentation but also a dignified one.
I mean, look at Arnold's facial expression and demeanor in this brief posing routine.
Very dignified and majestic. Even when he walks off the stage. No pretentious strutting or arms flaring. Just walking like a normal person. His physique speaks for itself.
I am afraid bodybuilding hasn't evolved in a positive way.
;D
In 1980 he was ripped,lean beyond belief . better muscle separation compared to his 1970's form .
The CBS footage remastered, HQ, or better yet Blu Ray will be worth the 35 years wait.
TRUST ME
Serious question to competitive bbers. How come they don't do RDB like this anymore? Why do they step back and stop and squat down. Just like a standing relax they use to stand normally with a just slight flare of the arms so it doesn't look like you are slouching. Now they flare their arms out which flattens out your delts and makes you look like a school boy that's goofing around trying to look strong in a mocking way. BBers use to have some semblance of dignity when they posed back in the day. Remember in PI how majestic Arnold looked? Didn't have that fake smile when doing a most muscular. That's not a pose that you should smile. It's suppose to be more of a "Look at this, bitches!" pose.
I could not agree more.
Unless you want to build a time machine it's going to make zero difference. Arnold won. End of story.
Arnold is almost 70 fucking years old at this point. Mentzer lost his mind and dropped dead. It's over. No one cares anymore.
Listen from the 2:55 mark ![/youtube]
WoooSSHHHHH TA NAKA
I train HIT. As you are getting stronger you have to lower sets.
Arnold won in 1980. Easy. Mike didn't have the structure. He did to win most other comps, not against Arnold.
.Still wider than Heath
Then you're not really a bodybuilding fan , don't want any negative publicity towards Arnold last Olympia, or are under age 21 and don't know much about it.
Watching that youtube film Mike is talking about himself when he says that some beginner bodybuilders with inferiority complexes think that big muscles will make them feel good and then when they get big they don't feel any better about themselves and compete in bodybuilding contests and discover they are fixed and it pisses them off mentally.I SAW THAT TOO ABOUT THEM..THERE BUILDS WERE OFF A BIT ,STILL PRETTY COOL 2 REALLY WELL BUILT BROTHERS..CLOSE IN AGE/LOOKS..BARBARIAN BROS TOO AS WELL ONE WAS FREAKING HUGE OTHER ONE LOOKED GOOD BUT WASN'T AS OVERALL BIG 'BOTH WERE SICK STRONG THO..
Ray was always genetically better than Mike because Mikes muscles were kind of stringy and he had a funny shaped mid section.
Ray had a much more symmetrical physique with rounder muscle shape and just needed to diet a bit harder and he could have been a real contester in Mr Olympia in 81,82,83.
Watching that youtube film Mike is talking about himself when he says that some beginner bodybuilders with inferiority complexes think that big muscles will make them feel good and then when they get big they don't feel any better about themselves and compete in bodybuilding contests and discover they are fixed and it pisses them off mentally.
Ray was always genetically better than Mike because Mikes muscles were kind of stringy and he had a funny shaped mid section.
Ray had a much more symmetrical physique with rounder muscle shape and just needed to diet a bit harder and he could have been a real contester in Mr Olympia in 81,82,83.
;D
wow zane's legs look better than arnold's in that shot above no homo
They all thought Mike was going to be the face of Bodybuilding in the 80's .... then 1980 Mr.O happened .
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH #1980MR.O
yep and despite arnold being below his par there are still outstanding pics taken from the contest. Even his quads here are impressivelike haney he had incredible torso/good limbs/muscle popped from all over..
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like haney he had incredible torso/good limbs/muscle popped from all over..
4 MINUTES ...of perfect transitions and holding poses for 2-3 seconds and poses both sides body to show balance/symmetry,,true master to all things stage bbing...today 60 seconds of cupping ear,raise the roof,all most musculars nothing else,,,
4 MINUTES ...of perfect transitions and holding poses for 2-3 seconds and poses both sides body to show balance/symmetry,,true master to all things stage bbing...today 60 seconds of cupping ear,raise the roof,all most musculars nothing else,,,
you forgot to add looking like a bloated toadTHAT TOO....
Here's Frank Zane's posing routine to the Pink Floyd music from 1980 -
stringy? ???
Here's Frank Zane's posing routine to the Pink Floyd music from 1980 -awesome...
Isn’t it obvious?
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Isn’t it obvious?
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Ray had a more classic bodybuilder look. That's what I liked about Mike. He had a different look. I felt he stood out. The way his arms had this balloon-like look just hanging relax at his side. But not puffed up marshmellow look that Heath has. He looked hard as a rock and carved out of stone. He had a compact muscular density that you don't see much with other bbers except with Dorian.
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Arnold looks awesome there. look at the lower back and calves !
Cant wait for the CBS footage to be finally released
WoooSHHHHHHHHH
Arnold -- He won.
From the videos & pics Deservedly so.
Those who were there may say different.
Mentzer should of placed higher.
As for Dickerson Getting 2nd.!!
Yup.8)...i agree,mentzer was a beast
Arnold in first and then either Mike or Frank in second/third. It was close between those two but the Oak for the win. I think Mike should have just done what Arnold did when he lost the Universe to Zane, i.e., taken himself back to the gym and trained with even greater ferocity and won the next year. Arnold may have cried in his hotel room about his loss to Zane, but Mike whined about the '80 Olympia the rest of his life. I still think Mentzer was one of the best ever but he could have been even greater.
As John used to say, if life gives you lemons and you don't like lemonade, then throw 'em back at life and go get what you really wanted in the first place.
Arnold was thr clear cut winner and could have won for quite a few more years had he wanted to.
Besides being a little light in the legs, Arnold destroyed everyone else. Can't believe there are people who seriously believe Mentzer won.
Maybe this 2017 we will finally have the Blu Ray version of what really happened in 1980 ....
Just Maybe
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WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Dickerson looks like a bag of smashed assholes there. His physique isn't 1/10th as aesthetically pleasing
I was watching 'The Comeback' on youtube, and noticed this. But I also felt Arnold looked, I dunno, kind of old and tired. Didn't have that enthusiasm from before. Which I guess could be attributed to his focus on Hollywood?
Dickerson looks like a bag of smashed assholes there. His physique isn't 1/10th as aesthetically pleasing
Yet he "paid his dues" well. Branch esque
;D
Extremely hard to believe he was under 230 lbs there.^^
Wow You were there too? At the night show I sat behind Joe Weider. The ones u didn't identify...yes Tony Emmot....Roy Duval . Both Brits. Roger Walker...a Brit who moved to Australia. Had a gym in Hornsby a suburb of Sydney. Was a partner with the fella who was in the original Mad Max. The lead up comp...called The Best in Australia was won by John Terilli who packed on the size and did well in the states competing in the Olympia. The second Oz bb with the big arms....Graeme Lancefield. Agree most were in shape but Samir and Viator were disappointing. A week or two off. Funny u mention Chris Dickerson ....met him in Atlanta at the inaugural Master's O. A true gentleman.WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME............. ........................ ..............FUCKFACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111
Ha Wes got news for ya ;) Been here for at least ...mmmm... well over 15..17 years. Not as mong as Ausvet. Used to answer Bix's guess who's if that gives u an idea of time. But thanks for the old Wes welcome!
Ha Wes got news for ya ;) Been here for at least ...mmmm... well over 15..17 years. Not as mong as Ausvet. Used to answer Bix's guess who's if that gives u an idea of time. But thanks for the old Wes welcome!My apologies didn`t recognize the name.......now Ausvet I remember.
Padilla's arms looked insane from that angle, something's going on with that camera. And not sure if it was a joke but that is not Bertil Fox.
Nice find. Zane and Coe both looked very good. Mentzer from the front looked alright but he completely vanished when side on. I don't think he had much room to complain the way he did.He was delusional.
Mentzer uncrowned Mr. OWhat year?
it corruptional
What year?
None....Agreed but Maxx seems to think otherwise. The Mentzer nuthuggers can never name the year in which he should have won the O.
The video makes Zane look like the clear winner.That's probably why Zane smashed his trophy.
Mentzer really does vanish from the side.
Coe and Casey Viator looked good -- should have placed higher.
Arnold's legs and forearms look surprisingly weak, and he seems off-balance somehow.
Another photo from 1980. I notice that Mike has part of his left trap atrophied. Perhaps that is partly why he stopped competing?
Another photo from 1980. I notice that Mike has part of his left trap atrophied. Perhaps that is partly why he stopped competing?Both Mike and Arnold have one side of their traps flexed differently in that photo. I think they are twisting the left arm differently in the pose than the right.
Both Mike and Arnold have one side of their traps flexed differently in that photo. I think they are twisting the left arm differently in the pose than the right.
Roger Walker looked like the only competitor who could match Arnold's size. Mentzer was mentally weak. He lost one contest and quit. He should have kept competing and he easily could have won in 81, 82, 83 and maybe even 84 when Haney was raw.Mentzer had no chance in 83 and 84.
Mentzer had no chance in 83 and 84.83 and 84 would have been much tougher than 81 and 82 but he would have been the reigning Olympia making him tougher to beat. Lou should have never retired after 75 and he may have won the title 10X.
That's Norm Komich's video. He used to be on IronAge all the time. Norm passed away several years ago.
The narrator is a clown. Says Bev Francis benched “over 400”.
::)
The narrator is a clown. Says Bev Francis benched “over 400”.He didn't mention the 3 spotters.
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There really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly Mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix"was conjured up by Coe and Mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of Mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly. Mentzer was never a contender. Mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold never entered. This whole Arnold vs Mentzer thing was created years later he was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote now somehow he was better than Arnold. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and Mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew Mentzer existed most of the time. Arnolds only rivals were Sergio and Ferrigno. Mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
Mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. Mike Mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
And another thing about Mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat Mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 Mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like Mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to Mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was MENTZER who has created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. Mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
There really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly Mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix"was conjured up by Coe and Mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of Mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly. Mentzer was never a contender. Mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold never entered. This whole Arnold vs Mentzer thing was created years later he was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote now somehow he was better than Arnold. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and Mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew Mentzer existed most of the time. Arnolds only rivals were Sergio and Ferrigno. Mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
Mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. Mike Mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
And another thing about Mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat Mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 Mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like Mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to Mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was MENTZER who has created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. Mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
Interesting that I am quoted in that article but John Fair never talked to me. What he wrote was inaccurate as well. John goes into great detail about the judges at the 80 Olympia and their relationship with Arnold.
I had the original judges sheets so compiled the results and made some observations. I was standing in the Opera House before the judging and was talking with Frank Burwash and Peter McCarthy from Melbourne.
Frank was a contest promoter and Peter won the Mr Australia a couple of times plus he won every contest promoted in Australia at his peak. Someone came up to Peter and told him the judges meeting had started.
Peter was upset because no one told him. He raced off but we found out he wasn't allowed to judge because he missed the meeting. He was there for part of the meeting because he is in some of the photos.
I call this bullshit. Peter knows how to judge a bodybuilding contest and was the most respected and awarded bodybuilder in those days. If the accusation of fixing the contest is true then this is how it happened.
Paul Graham apparently decided to replace Peter with young Brendan Ryan who had won only a Junior Mr Australia title and no senior title that I am aware of. I actually judged the contest that he won.
I knew Brendan personally because I hung around Coogee Gym where Brendan trained as did Les Spendlove and Robert Nailon. We knew that Brendan stayed with Arnold when he visited LA. That suggests
they were mates and Brendan would favour Arnold. As it turned out Brendan gave Arnold clear first places in all rounds. Other judges gave several guys a 20 out of 20 score in one or more rounds. So
Brendan's score carried more weight than those who tied several guys. If we replace Brendan's score with the rightful Australian judge, Peter McCarthy, then Arnold might NOT have won. It was that close.
Of course, that is the prejudging and there is another judging at the finals. That is the time 'adjustments' can be made if promoters or officials feel 'errors' have occurred.
Fair quotes Dickerson as complaining about promoter Paul Graham who was a mate of Arnold when they lived together in late 68 up to Paul's arrest in early 69 for sending stolen cars to Australia.
Arnold wasn't arrested so many felt he owed Paul who took the rap. I was in Honolulu the day after Paul was arrested and relatives cut out a clipping showing a muscleman holding a car with the
caption about Paul being arrested by the FBI who handle cases involving interstate or foreign crimes. I sent the clipping to my buddy Robert Nailon who tells me he can't find it. Yeah, sure.
Dickerson swears that Graham was a bigot and called Chris a fag and wouldn't allow him to win the Olympia. Read what Fair wrote in that History article.
Fair used my photos and never paid me for them or got permission to use them. He won't reply to an email I sent him. Funny, that.
In the last photo below you can see Peter McCarthy to the left of Mike's head. Why wasn't he a judge that day?
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/bodybuilding-news/11982-mentzer-vs-arnie.html#.VLUwIVWUeMI
Probably the best Coe ever looked. Or at least the best contest condition he ever achieved.You can almost see abs ::)
Probably the best Coe ever looked. Or at least the best contest condition he ever achieved.I was thinking the same thing.
There really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.Very good points, and one more thing.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly Mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix"was conjured up by Coe and Mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of Mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly. Mentzer was never a contender. Mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold never entered. This whole Arnold vs Mentzer thing was created years later he was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote now somehow he was better than Arnold. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and Mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew Mentzer existed most of the time. Arnolds only rivals were Sergio and Ferrigno. Mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
Mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. Mike Mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
And another thing about Mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat Mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 Mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like Mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to Mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was MENTZER who has created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. Mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
There really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly Mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix"was conjured up by Coe and Mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of Mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly. Mentzer was never a contender. Mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold never entered. This whole Arnold vs Mentzer thing was created years later he was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote now somehow he was better than Arnold. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and Mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew Mentzer existed most of the time. Arnolds only rivals were Sergio and Ferrigno. Mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
Mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. Mike Mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
And another thing about Mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat Mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 Mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like Mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to Mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was MENTZER who has created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. Mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
Arnold wonTrue and brutal (for Mentzer)
Boyer Coe - Why the 1980 Mr. Olympia was not on TV.
This is pure gold ...
Too controversial to air !!!!!
I'd trade my 78 Lada for this footage Arnold even looked nervous and thin " Imagine that , professional filmed for tv footage in full colour
Thanks Palumboism
:D
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH Vinatge bitches
I know!
I always thought that particular take was hilarious.
Imagine a bunch of suits standing around the offices of ABC wide world of sports:
"Jesus christ! We're gonna have to take a total loss on this segment. Its just too controversial to air!"
"Well, what about the 72 Olympics when terrorists kidnapped the israeli atheletes? Afterall we aired that?"
"Childs play compared to this. The public won't have it. We're done for if we show this thing!"
"What about the U.S. boycot of the Olympics? We aired that?"
"Hogwash! This is Ahhhhnuld for chris sakes! Did you see Mentzers conditioning for crying outloud? We're doomed if this thing airs!"
"Well, what should we do?
"We're gonna have to find every scrap of film and make sure it never finds the light of day! Otherwise We're out of business. It's just too controversial. "
LOLOLOL!!!! The controversy. Itd be like the Watts riots or Kent state all over again! Hahahaha!
Boyer Coe - Why the 1980 Mr. Olympia was not on TV.
Samir Bannout said that about a month out he was training with Arnold and said Arnold looked incredible. He said Arnold had some kind of shoulder pain and took a cortisone shot. This created a hormone imbalance and caused Arnold to hold onto water and lose size.
CBS ran out of tape?
I mean , they went strictly to Sydney to film the contest .... but yeah, Lets say they ran out of tape before the show even started ...
Are you saying those who claimed were invited to watch the footage when they were back to the US are laying ?
Yep. They were lying. The footage has never been seen. It's been scrapped years ago.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH VINTAGE
The CBS footage of the 80 Olympia is locked away in a vault along side the zapruder film, footage of the loch ness and video of aliens in area 51. Its guarded 24/7 under lock and key.
Can you imagine the unrest if that footage were to ever air? There'd be widespread rioting, protests, anarchy, martial law......it's just too controversial.
Hard to believe its been 42 damn years since the 1980 Mr.O and absolutely no one has its hands on that CBS footage yet
WoooShSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That Moose did a fucking Moonwalk on that dumb fuck !! ;D
42 fucking years ago and people still think this shit is relevant. Arnold was gifted the win.
42 fucking years ago and people still think this shit is relevant. Arnold was gifted the win.The evidence is in Area 51
The original footage the crowd booed supposedly (When Arnold the Cuck won). Then it was edited out, to only include cheers.In the video footage we have you can see the fans cheering.
Maybe Vince B can confirm...
In the video footage we have you can see the fans cheering.
In the video footage we have you can see the fans cheering.
Even if the results were "fixed" the audience was going to be cheering/ rooting for Arnold anyway since he was the most popular bodybuilder and the surprise of the night .back then they more so displayed the calf muscle and not the hanging hamstring/glute in the side chest
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Even if the results were "fixed" the audience was going to be cheering/ rooting for Arnold anyway since he was the most popular bodybuilder and the surprise of the night .Who do you think deserved to win?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Who do you think deserved to win?
I was watching 'The Comeback' on youtube, and noticed this. But I also felt Arnold looked, I dunno, kind of old and tired. Didn't have that enthusiasm from before. Which I guess could be attributed to his focus on Hollywood?
Arnold won, fair and squareI agree. He had his flaws but so did everyone else. He wasn't his best ever but he didn't have to be. He only had to be better than the others onstage.
No matter what, for some (and it is understandable) Arnold can really only compete with Arnold. But he was the best that day. Prime Arnold is to me, vastly superior to anyone before or since his time. Unless Joseph gives in and his father gives him the keys, we will not see anyone come close to him.
For those that think Arnold should have lost?
Take solace in the fact that he is now a worthless cuck. ;D
The best summary of this Olympia is that Arnold at ~80% of his best is still better than everyone at ~90-100% of their best in 1980. He didn't have to beat/match the 1970-75 Arnold, he just had to beat the 1980 lineup.Yep, if he showed up as good as '75 Mentzer wouldn't have even gotten on stage.
Mentzer said in one of those videos that Arnold was doing lines of coke all day long. Arnold never struck me as the recreational drug user type. Certainly not someone feeding a habit to the point where he's doing lines during a contest. But being the social animal he was I can see him indulging at a Hollywood party.
Also ironic a meth addict calling him a coke head.
I can picture Mentzer hallucinating , having nightmares in deep meth-induced psychosis having a vision of Arnold back stage in Sydney , doing lines of cocaine with all the judges and Ben and Joe Weider, Paul Graham, Franco, Jusup, Waller,and Samir "Mike, if you want to get lean for a show you're supposed to use coc-CAINE not coca-COLA" then everyone bursting into laughter. A furious Mentzer pops another dexadrine and washes it down with a cup of his own urine.
Mentzer said in one of those videos that Arnold was doing lines of coke all day long. Arnold never struck me as the recreational drug user type. Certainly not someone feeding a habit to the point where he's doing lines during a contest. But being the social animal he was I can see him indulging at a Hollywood party.
Also ironic a meth addict calling him a coke head.
I can picture Mentzer hallucinating , having nightmares in deep meth-induced psychosis having a vision of Arnold back stage in Sydney , doing lines of cocaine with all the judges and Ben and Joe Weider, Paul Graham, Franco, Jusup, Waller,and Samir "Mike, if you want to get lean for a show you're supposed to use coc-CAINE not coca-COLA" then everyone bursting into laughter. A furious Mentzer pops another dexadrine and washes it down with a cup of his own urine.
Lots of scenes there that have nothing to do with 1980.
But interesting complain from Mentzer.
Arnold smoked the bong with chong when it was legal, never heard of him doing coke. Mentzer was mentally destroyed by him so much he never recovered, that's pretty crazyLater Mike had to go begging Arnold for money to pay his bills. It must have been Hell to go crawling to his nemesis for help after years of melting down over him.
Later Mike had to go begging Arnold for money to pay his bills. It must have been Hell to go crawling to his nemesis for help after years of melting down over him.
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42 fucking years ago and people still think this shit is relevant. Arnold was gifted the win.
Funny thing is, just this week I saw a new podcast somewhere with John Hansen and Samir Bannout as guests, and Samir was adamant that he thought that about Arnold
It had plenty of views too, so maybe some people just like to retreat into history/nostalgia rather than face the shit-show going on in the World at the moment...? I mean, I can be as guilty of avoiding the news some days as anyone - and I wear rose-tinted glasses, sonny... ;D
That last shot of Zane reminded me another shot I saw long, long ago...🤔
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=562516.0;attach=1393317;image)
42 fucking years ago and people still think this shit is relevant. Arnold was gifted the win.
After this January 6th business is cleared up I expect a full blown inquiry into the events surrounding the 1980 Olympia.
After this January 6th business is cleared up I expect a full blown inquiry into the events surrounding the 1980 Olympia.
The US government has the January 6th committee.
Getbig has the August 6th committee.
After this January 6th business is cleared up I expect a full blown inquiry into the events surrounding the 1980 Olympia.
Did he really !! WTF - That must've Made Him more mentally unstableI read it here on Getbig a few years ago. I can't remember who it was who posted it.
Why Didn't uncle Joe help him out ?
Bannout also mentioned how arnold wasn't the arnold of before, totally irrelevant and these guys don't seem to understand that
I read it here on Getbig a few years ago. I can't remember who it was who posted it.
I'm pretty sure Arnold offered to help....pay his rent or something. I don't know that Mentzer asked him for help- that wouldn't be very 'Randian' of him to ask another man for a handout. :D
But I remember just before Mikes death or maybe just after a story circulated where Arnold reached out to Mike when Ray went on dialysis and offered to help in some way.
I'm pretty sure Arnold offered to help....pay his rent or something. I don't know that Mentzer asked him for help- that wouldn't be very 'Randian' of him to ask another man for a handout. :D
But I remember just before Mikes death or maybe just after a story circulated where Arnold reached out to Mike when Ray went on dialysis and offered to help in some way.
If True - That was very magnanimous of ArnoldOr Arnold did it to prove he was superior. Remember at the Arnold Classic when Arnold asked Lou how his autograph signings were going? This was when he was governor of California and Lou was charging $20 for a picture. Arnold was actually trolling the Hell out of him.
And show's he was the Bigger / Better Man.
Or Arnold did it to prove he was superior. Remember at the Arnold Classic when Arnold asked Lou how his autograph signings were going? This was when he was governor of California and Lou was charging $20 for a picture. Arnold was actually trolling the Hell out of him.
Or Arnold did it to prove he was superior. Remember at the Arnold Classic when Arnold asked Lou how his autograph signings were going? This was when he was governor of California and Lou was charging $20 for a picture. Arnold was actually trolling the Hell out of him.
“DVDs?”
Everyone that knows arnold says he's the most generous guy and loves to give back, he doesn't forget anyone on his journey upwards. The persona back in the day was part of his drive to succeed but alot was also a persona to create controversy and attention to create his brand. For example we know he did actually go to his dads funeral.
From the books I've read Arnold always liked Lou but also knew he was never a threat in competition and knows he's very insecure. A comment from a few years back someone said to Arnold, lou says he's more muscular then you now. Arnold said well let him have that, he needs that more than I do right now.
Regarding Mentzer he never hated him but found it easy to wind him up, where as Mike took everything so seriously Arnold would always see the funny side of what he's doing but while giving 100%. Plus he always had this mindset of moving forward, not regretting and not looking back. Some people like Mentzer let things eat them up and destroy them.
Ha ha, that clip was so f'ing funny. Just trolls Lou so easily and big Louie just never even picked up on it.
Really good take.
Also the Gallaach interview posted above is probably the most objective analysis I've heard of 1980. A very realistic and reasonable take.
Yeah could be - Only Not if he helped him Financially though.
have to say Superior or Not it still a Good Thing to Do.
“DVDs?”Yeah, that was it.
Ha ha, that clip was so f'ing funny. Just trolls Lou so easily and big Louie just never even picked up on it.
Really good take.
Also the Gallaach interview posted above is probably the most objective analysis I've heard of 1980. A very realistic and reasonable take.
Anyone have the Arnold asking Lou about the DVD sales Clip
😂🤣😂
I’ve been meaning to find it, and I just did. Enjoy!
I was looking for the vid and saw a few clips of Arnold running into Lou at various expos. And each time Lou eagerly awaits Arnold then immediately bombards Arnokd, talking as fast as he can, trying to make the most of his limited time with Arnold. It's kind of pathetic; after all these years still pining for his attention and seeking his approval.
Lmao! So brutal yet true! Would rofl if an overly eager Lou in his ready to pounce position gets bumped by security and his hearing aid batteries simultaneously fall out creating a sudden panic. Lou would then play it off and try to carry a conversation with Arnold without comprehending a single word while Arnold just keeps repeating, “What did you say, Lou?”
I took a lot of photos of the 1980 Mr Olympia which was in Sydney. During the finals I was shooting colour slides and got a mate in the row in front of meStop it! Arnold was always the king! He was better then every single one of those meatheads. Without him noone would even give a shit about it...also a fact!
to take a video. Would you believe most of that was ruined because he got so excited he started stamping his feet. I haven't looked at it to see if I
recorded the booing at the end. This mate was cheering for Roger Walker who made the finals and thus all the excitement. What a shame
because I was in a great position in the middle of the Concert Hall and we would have had a good view of what happened.
I’ve been meaning to find it, and I just did. Enjoy!Pure gold!
Pure gold!
Do you think Arnold asks "pictures, dvd's" as he knows thats all he's ever gonna have or do you think he's asking coz he might have legitimately bought something new to the table like a protein bar or supplement...Arnold owning him just like in Pumping Iron.
I'm surprised Lou has managed to run a stall for so long at the festival flogging that 30 year old movie.
Never released footage? Just an urban myth. Nothing more. Besides, even if it did exist what is it going to prove? Arnold won. That's it. This vid destroys the myth that mentzer had any chance of beating Arnold..... Arnolds is morphed there. The arm gives it away.
.... Arnolds is morphed there. The arm gives it away.
Also cherrypicked 2 shots. Mentzer looked better in most shots
.... Arnolds is morphed there. The arm gives it away.
Also cherrypicked 2 shots. Mentzer looked better in most shots
Defintely not morphed, looks exactly the same as in the footage its from. Mentzer looks like a child next to Arnold and was supposedly heavier. Arnold must literally have hollow bones if that's the case.Mentzer seemed one of those big boned, thick, blocky guys, had a heavy lower body with a fat ass and bloated stomach. Still though i don't see how he could've been heavier than Arnold.
Crazy how big his chest and arms still were at that lighter weight.
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according to the book muscle smoke and mirrors volume 3 joe and ben weider had to have a meeting with cbs explaining what happened bodybuilding was never aired again on cbs. 1981 was even more rigged
The Weiders did not want CBS to air that footage even after all the time and money wasted from crew...... that pretty much was the end of Bodybuilding on National tv,
Imagine the amount of footage, photos, compromising material sitting in the Weiders archives that will never see the light of day now they're both deceased.
That 1980 Mr O. CBS footage can mean a lot of $$$$$$ on the right hands even after 40 plus years
More conspiracy clap trap.
True. Its a baseless argument. CBS probably sent crews to multiple events that day and eliminated most of them from their line-up. But nobody is sitting around talking about why CBS decided not to air the 1980 underwater basket weaving championships, or the New Zealand Bad Minton quarter finals. They got one winner- probably a major professional sports league game or perhaps the PBL and decided to air it instead of this other garbage based on viewership.Fuck, are there any copies available to download?
Fuck, are there any copies available to download?
As others have pointed out, it's likely an urban legend about CBS. This is the documentary film that was shot. It was a documentary that Arnold and his friend Paul Graham produced. Go to the end and read the credits. Graham produced it, and they had their own director, editors and a whole crew, including the credit "additional cameras on contest night", which means they didn't get the footage from CBS, they shot it themselves. No mention of CBS anywhere. And full access, including backstage. Very clear that Graham and Arnold had exclusive rights to shoot the 1980 Olympia and made this documentary. CBS was not involved.
The legend started when Arnold created the gimmick that he was going there to "do commentary" and then at the last second entered. Typical Arnold gimmick.
Enjoy the actual film.
Great film. Arnold the clear winner here.
Clear winner ..I have to agree
I just don't understand why if this is the greatest comeback in BB history, most talk about contest; why Arnold on his 800 pages encyclopedia only touches that subject briefly, just one damn page!!!!!! are you F kidding ? that tells you right there its a chapter he either regrets or not so proud about it .
Because it wasn't a big deal at the time. It was only later when crybabies like mentzer and coe harked on about the 1980 contest being a fix because they didn't like Arnold.
Look at the quality in that last shot, who cares he was down from his best, he didn't need his best for this line-upDead on.
Mentzer looks tiny next to Arnold.
;D
In 1980 he was ripped,lean beyond belief . better muscle separation compared to his 1970's form .
The CBS footage remastered, HQ, or better yet Blu Ray will be worth the 35 years wait.
TRUST ME
As others have pointed out, it's likely an urban legend about CBS. This is the documentary film that was shot. It was a documentary that Arnold and his friend Paul Graham produced. Go to the end and read the credits. Graham produced it, and they had their own director, editors and a whole crew, including the credit "additional cameras on contest night", which means they didn't get the footage from CBS, they shot it themselves. No mention of CBS anywhere. And full access, including backstage. Very clear that Graham and Arnold had exclusive rights to shoot the 1980 Olympia and made this documentary. CBS was not involved.
The legend started when Arnold created the gimmick that he was going there to "do commentary" and then at the last second entered. Typical Arnold gimmick.
Enjoy the actual film.
Really cool.
Never seen that before.
Mike was a genius ….
Until October 4th 1980.
Woshhhhh Beyeke !!!!!
Compete before you talk shit you fucking retard
what about in the contests mike did?
want a pic of my balls to compete with as well?
Are you meaning to say that Mike should have won the O in 1980 and live a heathy happy life ever after ?
If so , you have come to the right thread.
Woshhhhh Rock me Amadeus.
to be fair more should have won not just him
happily ever after oh to be in the 70s
what complimemts?
i'm not a fucking jackass who goes around talking shit like you
An image worth a thousand words.....
Arnold looking like he knows he got another Sandow in the bag despite being away for so long , while Mentzer looks worried like he's in trouble ...
An image worth a thousand words.....They all look worried.
Arnold looking like he knows he got another Sandow in the bag despite being away for so long , while Mentzer looks worried like he's in trouble ...
There aren't many people in that crowd. It looks like the Mr. O really has gotten much bigger over the years.
They all look worried.
Not bad for a contest held overseas 43 years ago though .True. In the US high school basketball games have more fans.
There aren't many people in that crowd. It looks like the Mr. O really has gotten much bigger over the years.
There are more people on Getbig talking about it decades later than there were in the crowd. :DBob Hoffman?
I went to a pro bodybuilding show once where only the auditorium was huge, but only about fifteen percent full. All the people who payed for their tickets were in the nose bleed seats where you could barely see. All the family members who got free tickets were right up front. there were about twenty rows of seats in between these groups that were empty. When men's bodybuilding started, Bob told all the people sitting in the back to come up front. This is the state of bodybuilding today.
Bob Hoffman?
Bob CicherilloGotcha.
Mike "My goal is to win the 1980 Olympia with a perfect score and become the face of bodybuilding for the entire decade like you did in the mid 70's "I'll bet Arnold fuck hundreds of women during his time off bodybuilding (1975 to 80). That pic shows a pussy slayer right there.
Arnold " Is good to have goals "
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 1979
I'll bet Arnold fuck hundreds of women during his time off bodybuilding (1975 to 80). That pic shows a pussy slayer right there.
ThisThe 70's were great.
The David Cassidy hair ( was the thing for chicks in those days ) Arnold being retired from BB,was the king of the beach tall lean and Barracuda mode with no "me too movement " in sight ...
You can hate the guy .... but Arnold was a total pussy wreck machine
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHh
Picture taken days before October 4th 1980.
"Mike and his gut will be in deep trouble "
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BARRACUDA MODE
Despite arnolds quads in some shots looking a bit slender i really think Arnold looked great in 80, everything still popped, lean and dry.He did look great. People only think otherwise because of stories they've heard about how Arnold shouldn't have won.
He did look great. People only think otherwise because of stories they've heard about how Arnold shouldn't have won.
Specially those days/weeks leading to the contest ....The outside photos especially.
footage of him training at Golds has to be a priceless
Woooshhhhhhhhhhh
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 1979
Arnold was superior against mentzer. It's not even a debate.Not to the Mentzer fanboys.
unfortunately Mike let the outcome of the 1980 Mr Olympia effect the rest of his life and his happiness level.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHH SYDNEY
Don't know why. He was never going to win the olympia. Someone should have taken mike aside and gave him a good slap in the face to awake him from his delusions of granduer.He was mentally ill.
He was mentally ill.
He felt betrayed by the Master blaster, from October 4th on ......Why?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHH
Why?
They all thought Mike was going to be the face of Bodybuilding in the 80's .... then October 4th, 1980 Mr.O happened .
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH #1980MR.O
Mike felt robbed by not winning the O so he complained directly to Joe , Joe told him to discuss the matter with BenNeither Ben nor Joe was judging the contest. Mentzer was a big baby.
Then Joe himself told Ben not to answer any phone calls from Mentzer .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Mike felt robbed by not winning the O so he complained directly to Joe , Joe told him to discuss the matter with Ben
Then Joe himself told Ben not to answer any phone calls from Mentzer .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Amphetamines and an 800 calorie diet warped his brain.
Amazing how out of shape he was in his 40's. Looked like he didn't do a push up or a walk around the block for decades. I wonder if his drug use wrecked him.
He was never a true bodybuilder. He got more lazy as he got older by working out less and less until he gave up on bodybuilding altogether. Like he gave up college, the Airforce, writing for Weider. In the end he gave up on life altogether. The guy was a failure.
He was never a true bodybuilder. He got more lazy as he got older by working out less and less until he gave up on bodybuilding altogether. Like he gave up college, the Airforce, writing for Weider. In the end he gave up on life altogether. The guy was a failure.This^ I don't think he ever enjoyed training but was using it as a means to an end. No true bodybuilder would just give up training for the rest of their lives. We are addicts to this shit.
He was never a true bodybuilder. He got more lazy as he got older by working out less and less until he gave up on bodybuilding altogether. Like he gave up college, the Airforce, writing for Weider. In the end he gave up on life altogether. The guy was a failure.leave Brian out of this
This^ I don't think he ever enjoyed training but was using it as a means to an end. No true bodybuilder would just give up training for the rest of their lives. We are addicts to this shit.
It's funny to think about this then listen to John Little who's still bleating about Mike, daily, decades after his death . I mean it's embarrassing how much he crows about Mike to this day..fucking weirdo.
Little is weird. Try to debate him and he blocks you. Same with John Heart. They're just out to make money off mentzer's name. That is all.I think I was blocked from his 1st video. 8) Strange how they consider themselves so intelligent and logical but fear defending their position.
All hit types are weird.
This^ I don't think he ever enjoyed training but was using it as a means to an end. No true bodybuilder would just give up training for the rest of their lives. We are addicts to this shit.
I think I was blocked from his 1st video. 8) Strange how they consider themselves so intelligent and logical but fear defending their position.
He was never a true bodybuilder. He got more lazy as he got older by working out less and less until he gave up on bodybuilding altogether. Like he gave up college, the Airforce, writing for Weider. In the end he gave up on life altogether. The guy was a failure.
Because if you refute their caims, which is easy, they go straight into meltdown as you're exposing their BS. Heart is selling courses of hit, which are worthless, and Little is part of the mentzer estate which means he still makes money off the books he had written about mentzer, which are equally worthless. Ask them both to provide evidence of hit actually working and they deflect or point to two only known bodybuilders to use hit. Yates and mentzer. That's it. 5 decades of hit and they can only point to two drug monsters as so called successes of hit. Pathetic.Casey Viator, David Dearth, Ray Mentzer and Aaron Baker all used it for awhile and went back to volume like anyone who isn't brain dead would do.
:)Walker should have finished higher.
Walker should have finished higher.
How about Tucker? ;)Who is Tucker?
Who is Tucker?
I remember when I was in middle school, we bought “Too Hot for TV”. It was a VHS tape of various controversial antics that were deemed too crazy for regular TV like a Hebrew being stomped to death by an angry moose that wandered into the city. I was hoping the finals for the 1980 Olympia would make the cut, but after rewinding and rewatching several times, I realized I’d been had! $14.95 plus 9.99 S&H down the fuckin’ drain!
Edit: never mind it was a chinaman with a brutal lack of awareness. Surprising in the least. This is Anchorage, not Shanghai, bucko. This was during the non-HD tube television days, so forgive me
I mean, what kid wouldn’t want to see this when the Internet didn’t have anything like this on it at the time?
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91BuET3PfKL._AC_SY879_.jpg)
One of the comments, “GO MOOSE GO”
Casey Viator, David Dearth, Ray Mentzer and Aaron Baker all used it for awhile and went back to volume like anyone who isn't brain dead would do.
You really thought to see some footage from a little known bodybuilding contest that was supposedly "controversial?"
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Was this the Olympia with the “lean, dry champ” ???
Yep. The thing is, like Yates and mentzer, they were all already built. They had peaked in their size and strength with conventional methods and not hit. They switched to hit methods to maybe maintain what they had built but never used it from the start to build size and strength. No bodybuilder has. Hit has such a very low to non existent success rate.
John Heart still does this easy to see through trick. He takes a bodybuilder who is already built and uses roids then claims the bodybuilder has made great gains on hit. It's all an obvious lie.
You really thought to see some footage from a little known bodybuilding contest that was supposedly "controversial?"
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Ohhhhhh Rimjob11 men……
I actually doubt that CBS were even at the event. There's no evidence that they were there and this story of them not airing the footage was mostly conjured up by salty losers like boyer coe and methzer.Good point. Why would CBS fly their people to Australia to cover a contest that only a hundred or so people attended?
Exactly, why would they then not show the footage. It wouldn't t matter to them who won, know nothing about physique contests and for the few that'd watch at home they'd watch regardless.Arnold knows he never won but he is such an asshole he wants to believe the bullshit :D
Exactly, why would they then not show the footage. It wouldn't t matter to them who won, know nothing about physique contests and for the few that'd watch at home they'd watch regardless.
Arnold knows he never won but he is such an asshole he wants to believe the bullshit :D
"I actually doubt that CBS were even at the event."
I rarely post to this board -- only when I can contribute sometimg.
Years ago I talked to a person very well-versed on this event and, yes, it was apparently filmed by CBS and never aired. Someone would have to get a higher-up in the IFBB at the time to discuss it -- Wayne Demilia likely -- but CBS apparently wouldn't air it without an explanation as to what happened insofar as the judging went.
From what I was told, the judging was a mess and Arnold wasn't doing the required poses when asked. Apparently, when asked to do a reverse lat spread, he'd simply hit a most muscular. There were many other instances I guess where they couldn't make heads nor tails of what transpired.
Take from that what you will, but it's well known that it was supposed to air on CBS, there is footage of it, but, apparently, it was CBS's decision not to air it no only because of the controversial win but also what appeared to be nonsensical judging that didn't look very "sport" like.
This is an interesting article: https://starkcenter.org/igh/igh-v11/igh-v11-n1/igh1101p04.pdf
"I actually doubt that CBS were even at the event."
I rarely post to this board -- only when I can contribute sometimg.
Years ago I talked to a person very well-versed on this event and, yes, it was apparently filmed by CBS and never aired. Someone would have to get a higher-up in the IFBB at the time to discuss it -- Wayne Demilia likely -- but CBS apparently wouldn't air it without an explanation as to what happened insofar as the judging went.
From what I was told, the judging was a mess and Arnold wasn't doing the required poses when asked. Apparently, when asked to do a reverse lat spread, he'd simply hit a most muscular. There were many other instances I guess where they couldn't make heads nor tails of what transpired.
Take from that what you will, but it's well known that it was supposed to air on CBS, there is footage of it, but, apparently, it was CBS's decision not to air it no only because of the controversial win but also what appeared to be nonsensical judging that didn't look very "sport" like.
This is an interesting article: https://starkcenter.org/igh/igh-v11/igh-v11-n1/igh1101p04.pdf
"I actually doubt that CBS were even at the event."
I rarely post to this board -- only when I can contribute sometimg.
Years ago I talked to a person very well-versed on this event and, yes, it was apparently filmed by CBS and never aired. Someone would have to get a higher-up in the IFBB at the time to discuss it -- Wayne Demilia likely -- but CBS apparently wouldn't air it without an explanation as to what happened insofar as the judging went.
From what I was told, the judging was a mess and Arnold wasn't doing the required poses when asked. Apparently, when asked to do a reverse lat spread, he'd simply hit a most muscular. There were many other instances I guess where they couldn't make heads nor tails of what transpired.
Take from that what you will, but it's well known that it was supposed to air on CBS, there is footage of it, but, apparently, it was CBS's decision not to air it no only because of the controversial win but also what appeared to be nonsensical judging that didn't look very "sport" like.
This is an interesting article: https://starkcenter.org/igh/igh-v11/igh-v11-n1/igh1101p04.pdf
:)Pretty damn good back there.
Pretty damn good back there.
Walker looks narrow in comparison.:D
"Nonsense"
If it's nonsense, why did CBS have rights to broadcast the 1979 Olympia -- and did -- and the 1981 Olympia -- and didn't? They had the rights, they had a film crew there, it's well known -- and pretty much as simple as that.
Arnold spun the lie that he was at the 1980 Olympia to do commentary for CBS. Maybe that's another reason people believe they were there...
It wasn't exactly a secret that Arnold was going to compete in 1980
Walker looks narrow in comparison.Yes, Walker looked great from the front though.
It wasn't exactly a secret that Arnold was going to compete in 1980
:D
Yes, Walker looked great from the front though.at least he didn´t get involved in all the Gay shit that most did at Golds, did his own thing. Comes over as quite a tough character.
From the article posted above:
THE INTANGIBLE ARNOLD:
THE CONTROVERSIAL
MR. OLYMPIA CONTEST OF 1980
By John Fair
"Arguably the most devastating result was the
decision by CBS, in light of the controversy, not to
broadcast the 1980 event. About two weeks prior to the
contest, it sent a film crew to California under producer
Sherman Egan to gather human interest material on four
of the leading contenders- Mentzer, Coe, Zane, and
Dennis Tinerino-and then on to Sydney. A day or two
after the contest, Egan called Coe,
and we (Mike Mentzer, Frank Zane and
myself) met with Sherm. He made it
clear, that in his limited knowledge of
bodybuilding it was clear to him that the
contest was fixed and that they could
never show this on CBS, and they
would not even bother to edit it. He told
me that if I ever cared to watch it, to
come to CBS in New York and that he
would be happy to show me the raw
footage. Late in 1980 . .. I happened to
be in New York, so I called Shenn up,
he set up the viewing, and so on a cold
Saturday afternoon, Chris Dickerson,
Wayne Demilia, his wife and myself,
watched the footage. It was even worse
than I thought. I quickly realized why
CBS could never show it. Sherm
laughed and said about the only thing
they could do with it was possibly put it
on 60 Minutes
Although CBS had one more year on a three year contract
with the IFBB, it did not bother to send a film crew
in 1981 and has not covered a bodybuilding event since
1979."
Boyer Coe - Why the 1980 Mr. Olympia was not on TV
The `81 was even worse ???
Well that was the year Franco won. But 81’ was probably the last year left on the contract and they took a chance that that IFBB wouldn’t sue them for missing the last year since the majority of the contract was complete and it was a waste of money for CBS.They knew `80 was a joke & a fix so when Arnold´s little buddy was up for the next show they knew it would be even more controversial & it was.
They knew `80 was a joke & a fix so when Arnold´s little buddy was up for the next show they knew it would be even more controversial & it was.
it´s like Roger walker said in the interview, "everyone can smell bullshit"
From the article posted above:
THE INTANGIBLE ARNOLD:
THE CONTROVERSIAL
MR. OLYMPIA CONTEST OF 1980
By John Fair
"Arguably the most devastating result was the
decision by CBS, in light of the controversy, not to
broadcast the 1980 event. About two weeks prior to the
contest, it sent a film crew to California under producer
Sherman Egan to gather human interest material on four
of the leading contenders- Mentzer, Coe, Zane, and
Dennis Tinerino-and then on to Sydney. A day or two
after the contest, Egan called Coe,
and we (Mike Mentzer, Frank Zane and
myself) met with Sherm. He made it
clear, that in his limited knowledge of
bodybuilding it was clear to him that the
contest was fixed and that they could
never show this on CBS, and they
would not even bother to edit it. He told
me that if I ever cared to watch it, to
come to CBS in New York and that he
would be happy to show me the raw
footage. Late in 1980 . .. I happened to
be in New York, so I called Shenn up,
he set up the viewing, and so on a cold
Saturday afternoon, Chris Dickerson,
Wayne Demilia, his wife and myself,
watched the footage. It was even worse
than I thought. I quickly realized why
CBS could never show it. Sherm
laughed and said about the only thing
they could do with it was possibly put it
on 60 Minutes
Although CBS had one more year on a three year contract
with the IFBB, it did not bother to send a film crew
in 1981 and has not covered a bodybuilding event since
1979."
Boyer Coe - Why the 1980 Mr. Olympia was not on TV
More lies. Coe still going on about the 1980 olympia that he could never possibly win.that´s not his point bro
that´s not his point bro
It is. He's just a salty loser like meth head before him.The only salty thing is your boyfriends come :D
Walker is just another bitter has been that never was.
Exactly.others thought the same even Bill Pearl who stepped back from judging as he knew it was just bullshit.
Just watch any footage or photo of him standing next to Arnold.
Arnold crushes him in every single pose
yet he claims Arnold was off and didn’t deserve to be top 6.
Exactly.
Just watch any footage or photo of him standing next to Arnold.
Arnold crushes him in every single pose
yet he claims Arnold was off and didn’t deserve to be top 6.
Yea, walker looked good standing there front relaxed but Arnold schooled him in every shot.;D ;D ;D
Most people, the competitors included make the same mistake, they say Arnold wasn't like he was before, but he wasn't competing against himself.
He still had his trademark bodyparts and poses and actually bought a different package being extra dry, ripped and vascular.
;D ;D ;D
Utter bullshit
others thought the same even Bill Pearl who stepped back from judging as he knew it was just bullshit.
everyone can have their opinions but ..no smoke without fire
Muscle smoke & mirrors
Randy Roach. read it ;)
Exactly.
Just watch any footage or photo of him standing next to Arnold.
Arnold crushes him in every single pose
yet he claims Arnold was off and didn’t deserve to be top 6.
Exactly.Walker deserved top six though.
Just watch any footage or photo of him standing next to Arnold.
Arnold crushes him in every single pose
yet he claims Arnold was off and didn’t deserve to be top 6.
Walker deserved top six though.
Even though he was at his lightest weight for competition he may have been in his best shape ever.Nope was in ´74 but at the Mr O in `80 he was in his worst shape, it was fixed
Nope was in ´74 but at the Mr O in `80 he was in his worst shape, it was fixed
Trying to see things as they really were back in 1980.
Dickerson was having momentum as he was winning every pro contest he entered prior Olympia
Zane was going for 4th Sandow straight
1979 was Zane best showing and yet he beat Mentzer by just one point.
In 80 Mentzer came back better and Zane smaller.
Everyone was expecting a battle between Dickerson and Mentzer.
Nope was in ´74 but at the Mr O in `80 he was in his worst shape, it was fixedWho do think should have won in 80?
I am gonna say this again. So understand it this time people. The ONLY reason why people think Arnold shouldn't have won is because he did NOT look like Arnold. Arnold used to be huge . He was lighter for this show so he doesn't look like Arnold used to look. He was better than everyone else though. So people look at him and say how bad he looked how thin he was or whatever but that is because you are comparing him to his former self. He was still bigger and better than those other clowns but didn't look like himself. Case closed.
What place did the Heavy Duty guy finish?Low enough to cause a lifetime meltdown.
Mentzer was pretty clear cut winner here. Superior mass everywhere and better condition. Legs and arms especially where Arnold looked stringy next to him.
Ahh yes that's why he placed 5th ::)
Roy & Roger should've placed a head of Mike
so how in the hell do you have him winning.
Anyway Arnold won - End of. ;D
Low enough to cause a lifetime meltdown.
Brutal if true!
Arnold was sucking Paul Graham´s cock we all know this. :D
Evidence to back up that bogus claim? 🤣Man...you´re dumb ::)
Evidence to back up that bogus claim? 🤣
I doubt we will ever see that amount of heads full of hair in an Olympia lineup.Unless they start wearing wigs.
Man...you´re dumb ::)You make a claim then can't back it up. Now that's dumb. 😂
You make a claim then can't back it up. Now that's dumb. 😂Bro...
Bro...
Kind of childish/stupid to bring the gay cock sucking assumptions to win an argument.
I said it before. Arnold was 80% of his peak but even with that when I watch the film I have him winning. Mentzer looked great but he was fifth. He deserved fifth. Roy Callender was ripped off. Dickerson deserved second. His density was on another level. Zane even though he came in super light at 183 lbs looked incredible. He sliced his dick up on a sharp edge on pool lounge chair tanning. He said that hampered his prep while he healed but he still looked fantastic.Agreed,,,tinerino was no slouch either..
Quote from Bill Pearl from "Arnold schwarzenegger the life of a legend"
Quote from Bill Pearl from "Arnold schwarzenegger the life of a legend"
Wow … Are you sure it wasn’t Platz who said that ?
Mentzer always said that he came in to defense to Boyers regarding Arnold’s requests,insults and arrogance … he even approached Arnold aggressively and Arnold sat down quiet looking the other way.
We definitely need Banout , Boyer and /or Zane to join this thread
Zane even though he came in super light at 183 lbs looked incredible. He sliced his dick up on a sharp edge on pool lounge chair tanning. He said that hampered his prep while he healed but he still looked fantastic.
;D One year bro
According to Platz himself
Mentzer was on his way to be the golden child of bodybuilding in the 80's
The Sandow was meant to be Mike Mentzer's in 1981 had he moved on from 1980
Being beaten by Arnold eventually killed him.
Thats saying much from someone who is considered the uncrowned 81' Mr.O[/youtube]
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH Oct 4th 1980
I noticed Platz has been fairly disparaging of Arnold lately. LOL. After years of kissing Arnolds ass and being the biggest brown noser ever Platz has realized he's in the final stretch of his life and it never paid off. All the ass kissing and sucking up. He probably burned alot of bridges with his WBF involvement. He tried acting and had two bit parts in a few obscure movies. So now he's got his schtick training people like he used to train and trying to generate some relevance by bad mouthing Arnold now? When everyone already knows Arnold was always out for himself? Haha. Lame.
Mike always insisted the 80 Olympia was fixed. I believe he has a point. After the contest I was given all the judges' score sheets so could do an analysis of it. The big problem with the judging method was the foolish idea of scoring each round. Ben Weider had hoped to have this contest in the Olympic games so adapted a system of judging resembling diving, ice skating and gymnastics. Disaster occurred because they did not standardize the scores for each round. After the first round the scores should have been collected then a score given so that there was room for a higher score. They didn't do this and in all the rounds too many competitors received a 20 out of 20 score. In effect those scores did not separate the men. Multiply this error by 3 and the results are not accurate. The judges who did separate the men had their scores count for more.
A more important revelation was made by John Fair in an article. (link below) Paul Graham promoted the Olympia that year. They were room mates in Los Angeles in late 1968 and early 1969. Paul was arrested on January 29, 1969 in Honolulu by the FBI for sending stolen cars from LA to Australia. Arnold states in Total Recall, that he made some money driving cars to a dock in Los Angeles that were destined for Australia. Paul took the rap himself and spend over 2 years in a California prison. So Paul and Arnold were close. Randy Roach, 'Muscles, Smoke and Mirrors', believes Arnold did not enter until he knew he had the majority of judges who would place him first. Here is where I made an error when writing about the contest. I was standing in the foyer of the Sydney Opera House just before the prejudging. I was with Frank Burwash and Peter McCarthy. Someone came up to Pete and told him the judges meeting has already started. Peter swore and raced off but was told since he missed part of the meeting he was replaced by another judge but he could judge as a spare. Brendan Ryan, who won a Junior Mr Australia contest was a judge. I assumed Paul replaced Peter with Brendan. Nope, Brendan was already selected to judge. Peter was replaced by Dr Michael Walczak. Four of the judges placed Arnold first. Reg Park, Brendan Ryan, Albert Busek, and Mits Kowashima. Walczak placed Dennis Tinerino first and Arnold second. He placed Dickerson 8th. Jacques Blommaert and Dan Howard placed Dickerson first. Arnold was a good friend of Howard's but Dan didn't let that affect his score. There you have it, before the contest Arnold believed that 5 out of the 7 judges would vote for him. 4 did and that was sufficient to win.
Article on the 80 Olympia by John Fair: https://starkcenter.org/igh_article/igh1101p04/
Mike always insisted the 80 Olympia was fixed. I believe he has a point. After the contest I was given all the judges' score sheets so could do an analysis of it. The big problem with the judging method was the foolish idea of scoring each round. Ben Weider had hoped to have this contest in the Olympic games so adapted a system of judging resembling diving, ice skating and gymnastics. Disaster occurred because they did not standardize the scores for each round. After the first round the scores should have been collected then a score given so that there was room for a higher score. They didn't do this and in all the rounds too many competitors received a 20 out of 20 score. In effect those scores did not separate the men. Multiply this error by 3 and the results are not accurate. The judges who did separate the men had their scores count for more.Yup...Paul Graham covered Arnold`s ASS in more ways than one !! :D
A more important revelation was made by John Fair in an article. (link below) Paul Graham promoted the Olympia that year. They were room mates in Los Angeles in late 1968 and early 1969. Paul was arrested on January 29, 1969 in Honolulu by the FBI for sending stolen cars from LA to Australia. Arnold states in Total Recall, that he made some money driving cars to a dock in Los Angeles that were destined for Australia. Paul took the rap himself and spend over 2 years in a California prison. So Paul and Arnold were close. Randy Roach, 'Muscles, Smoke and Mirrors', believes Arnold did not enter until he knew he had the majority of judges who would place him first. Here is where I made an error when writing about the contest. I was standing in the foyer of the Sydney Opera House just before the prejudging. I was with Frank Burwash and Peter McCarthy. Someone came up to Pete and told him the judges meeting has already started. Peter swore and raced off but was told since he missed part of the meeting he was replaced by another judge but he could judge as a spare. Brendan Ryan, who won a Junior Mr Australia contest was a judge. I assumed Paul replaced Peter with Brendan. Nope, Brendan was already selected to judge. Peter was replaced by Dr Michael Walczak. Four of the judges placed Arnold first. Reg Park, Brendan Ryan, Albert Busek, and Mits Kowashima. Walczak placed Dennis Tinerino first and Arnold second. He placed Dickerson 8th. Jacques Blommaert and Dan Howard placed Dickerson first. Arnold was a good friend of Howard's but Dan didn't let that affect his score. There you have it, before the contest Arnold believed that 5 out of the 7 judges would vote for him. 4 did and that was sufficient to win.
Article on the 80 Olympia by John Fair: https://starkcenter.org/igh_article/igh1101p04/
^ Munson had a better ending to his story.
Yeah & they also fixed it so the Queer Chimp would place 2nd & Mike would place 5 ::)
Yes all the judges were in on the screwing over of Mike :o
Do you really believe that - or Maybe No one had an overall Better physique
Than Arnold - others had better body parts yet lacked else where.
And how the hell did that judge get Dennis in 1st place - why aren't you
questioning that ??
Arnold won - End of.
Yes, I forgot that everyone on Getbig is an expert in all matters re bodybuilding!
Dennis did look great. Wide shoulders and the best conditioning of all the competitors. His posing let him down.
I have said this before but the best physique at the 1980 Olympia wasn't compared even once! Blows everyone away with the total package.
Would you have enjoyed oiling him up?
Menzter got munsoned!Mentzer was from Pennsylvania and Munson moved there from Iowa. Maybe they were roommates at one time.
Re-edit of one of the first call outs. Arnold not included and look at the expression on his face!
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.
So Now you're a mind reader also - Then waht the fuck is Roy Thinking ??
" Oh it's time for me to walk off stage & go home they've not called Me ? "
That's what it looks like from his expression.
Mentzer said something derogatory to Arnold which I don’t remember, and Arnold replied, “You didn’t win Olympia last year because your waist was hanging way out, and you won’t win it this year for the same reason.” With that Mentzer lunged at Arnold and several of the officials including Bill Pearl broke it up.No it started because Arnold was going on about what classes he wanted & Boyer coe asked him about it.
Body language tells the story. Roy looked great but wasn't selected that day.
If you believe so from one frame ::)
forgot we're dealing with a mastermind & expert Mind reader. ::)
Tell me what Roy & the others were thinking from that pic ...........
Roy's Body language says I'm leaving......
No it started because Arnold was going on about what classes he wanted & Boyer coe asked him about it.
Arnold being the arrogant cocky prick he is made a dumb remark, Mike stepped in & then Arnold made childish remarks about Mike´s waist.
It´s such a shame Mike never punched Arnold who by all accounts "fought like a girl".. ric Drasin said this.
Arnold was & still is a scumbag .. look at him now a Globalist ass licking turd
Mike always insisted the 80 Olympia was fixed. I believe he has a point. After the contest I was given all the judges' score sheets so could do an analysis of it. The big problem with the judging method was the foolish idea of scoring each round. Ben Weider had hoped to have this contest in the Olympic games so adapted a system of judging resembling diving, ice skating and gymnastics. Disaster occurred because they did not standardize the scores for each round. After the first round the scores should have been collected then a score given so that there was room for a higher score. They didn't do this and in all the rounds too many competitors received a 20 out of 20 score. In effect those scores did not separate the men. Multiply this error by 3 and the results are not accurate. The judges who did separate the men had their scores count for more.
A more important revelation was made by John Fair in an article. (link below) Paul Graham promoted the Olympia that year. They were room mates in Los Angeles in late 1968 and early 1969. Paul was arrested on January 29, 1969 in Honolulu by the FBI for sending stolen cars from LA to Australia. Arnold states in Total Recall, that he made some money driving cars to a dock in Los Angeles that were destined for Australia. Paul took the rap himself and spend over 2 years in a California prison. So Paul and Arnold were close. Randy Roach, 'Muscles, Smoke and Mirrors', believes Arnold did not enter until he knew he had the majority of judges who would place him first. Here is where I made an error when writing about the contest. I was standing in the foyer of the Sydney Opera House just before the prejudging. I was with Frank Burwash and Peter McCarthy. Someone came up to Pete and told him the judges meeting has already started. Peter swore and raced off but was told since he missed part of the meeting he was replaced by another judge but he could judge as a spare. Brendan Ryan, who won a Junior Mr Australia contest was a judge. I assumed Paul replaced Peter with Brendan. Nope, Brendan was already selected to judge. Peter was replaced by Dr Michael Walczak. Four of the judges placed Arnold first. Reg Park, Brendan Ryan, Albert Busek, and Mits Kowashima. Walczak placed Dennis Tinerino first and Arnold second. He placed Dickerson 8th. Jacques Blommaert and Dan Howard placed Dickerson first. Arnold was a good friend of Howard's but Dan didn't let that affect his score. There you have it, before the contest Arnold believed that 5 out of the 7 judges would vote for him. 4 did and that was sufficient to win.
Article on the 80 Olympia by John Fair: https://starkcenter.org/igh_article/igh1101p04/
[Yep exactly great post Vince.
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.For all anyone knows,the judges could be looking for the second place man in this call out.
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.This early confidence Mentzer had probably made the loss all the more crushing.
For all anyone knows,the judges could be looking for the second place man in this call out.
I`ve seen it quite a few times where the overall winner doesn`t get called much, if at all, because he`s already a shoe in for first place, and the battle is for 2nd. place on down.
Anyway,it`s getting stupid, this was 43 years ago,and nothing will ever change the fact that
"Arnold is numero uno"! :D
It is always interesting to debate things that were controversial. What happened in 1980 re the call outs was the judges put who they wanted to see on a piece of paper and the head judge selected one without seeing what it was. It just happened that the 4 called out didn't include Arnold. Sure, that judge might have already selected Arnold and was looking for the other places. I was there and took this photo. Arnold states that he never likes to do anything where there is doubt about what will happen to him. At the moment when he wasn't in that call out he was worried and that shows in the two photos posted here. Why would his head be down like that if he wasn't worried about what was happening. He surely feared he might not win this contest.Don´t think Arnold was worried because he knew he would win, Bill pearl said he was very cocky or aggressive on stage doing what he wanted, Roger walker also confirmed this.
By the way, Les, just because the judges picked the winner doesn't mean the best person won. When Arnold was compared to the top guys he dwarfed them in chest and arms. Calves were good, too. Zane and Dickerson lost in those comparisons. If we go back to the year before this contest then it is clear that Chris Dickerson won several of the pro shows leading up to the 80 Olympia.
For all anyone knows,the judges could be looking for the second place man in this call out.
I`ve seen it quite a few times where the overall winner doesn`t get called much, if at all, because he`s already a shoe in for first place, and the battle is for 2nd. place on down.
Anyway,it`s getting stupid, this was 43 years ago,and nothing will ever change the fact that
"Arnold is numero uno"! :D
Yup,at times,the clear cut winner never even gets compared, he`s just so far ahead of the pack there is no need for any comparisons.
This x 2
It's Happened to me when competing -
also It happened to Dorian when he won his pro card he was such a clear standout after the quarter turn group comparisons he didnt get called.
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Arnold destroying them stood relaxed there and that's without posing.
How Dickerson was ever Mr O still baffles me.
Fact is arnold came back and they had nothing on him, he looks superior, bigger and more pop in all the main poses, everyone disappeared from the side next to him, even his lat spread actually made the second biggest guys, walkers look not so big.
Mike always insisted the 80 Olympia was fixed. I believe he has a point. After the contest I was given all the judges' score sheets so could do an analysis of it. The big problem with the judging method was the foolish idea of scoring each round. Ben Weider had hoped to have this contest in the Olympic games so adapted a system of judging resembling diving, ice skating and gymnastics. Disaster occurred because they did not standardize the scores for each round. After the first round the scores should have been collected then a score given so that there was room for a higher score. They didn't do this and in all the rounds too many competitors received a 20 out of 20 score. In effect those scores did not separate the men. Multiply this error by 3 and the results are not accurate. The judges who did separate the men had their scores count for more.
A more important revelation was made by John Fair in an article. (link below) Paul Graham promoted the Olympia that year. They were room mates in Los Angeles in late 1968 and early 1969. Paul was arrested on January 29, 1969 in Honolulu by the FBI for sending stolen cars from LA to Australia. Arnold states in Total Recall, that he made some money driving cars to a dock in Los Angeles that were destined for Australia. Paul took the rap himself and spend over 2 years in a California prison. So Paul and Arnold were close. Randy Roach, 'Muscles, Smoke and Mirrors', believes Arnold did not enter until he knew he had the majority of judges who would place him first. Here is where I made an error when writing about the contest. I was standing in the foyer of the Sydney Opera House just before the prejudging. I was with Frank Burwash and Peter McCarthy. Someone came up to Pete and told him the judges meeting has already started. Peter swore and raced off but was told since he missed part of the meeting he was replaced by another judge but he could judge as a spare. Brendan Ryan, who won a Junior Mr Australia contest was a judge. I assumed Paul replaced Peter with Brendan. Nope, Brendan was already selected to judge. Peter was replaced by Dr Michael Walczak. Four of the judges placed Arnold first. Reg Park, Brendan Ryan, Albert Busek, and Mits Kowashima. Walczak placed Dennis Tinerino first and Arnold second. He placed Dickerson 8th. Jacques Blommaert and Dan Howard placed Dickerson first. Arnold was a good friend of Howard's but Dan didn't let that affect his score. There you have it, before the contest Arnold believed that 5 out of the 7 judges would vote for him. 4 did and that was sufficient to win.
Article on the 80 Olympia by John Fair: https://starkcenter.org/igh_article/igh1101p04/
I took the best photos at the prejudging at the 80 Olympia. A year earlier there was a pro bodybuilding contest there and I calculated where the best seat would be to take photos. So I selected a seat at waist level to the competitors on stage and of course in the middle of the Opera House. I had a sturdy tripod and an excellent camera with very good telephoto lenses. I took 360 black and white photos of the judging. At night I took colour slides. Here is an edited photo of 4 of the competitors. I removed all the background distractions.
Mentzer said something derogatory to Arnold which I don’t remember, and Arnold replied, “You didn’t win Olympia last year because your waist was hanging way out, and you won’t win it this year for the same reason.” With that Mentzer lunged at Arnold and several of the officials including Bill Pearl broke it up.
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.
;D One year bro
Arnold won at just 80% of his best. Mentzer was a sick, weak, mentally ill guy in his 40's. He looked like he could barely walk and picking up a 45lbs plate was a chore for him. Some say it was this contest that ruined him but my view it was his meth drug use and smoking. Zane is always quick to say he beat Arnold. When was that? 1969? Roy Callender looked amazing but was always over looked. Very little Weider coverage for him but he was just as good as Robby. Dickerson for a period in his long contest history for three years looked incredible. I think behind scene knowledge of his gay films that were out there kept him from winning the big one until they couldn't deny him anymore. Coe looked amazing but deserved maybe to be switched out with Zane for third. Mentzer fans cry foul but he came in fifth. No he didn't come in second, third or fourth.
Think Arnold sitting in his various mansions thinking about the 1980 Olympia? Have you seen his spread in Austria?
i like zanes read/take on the show interesting,,,at the end of the day arnold whipped himself into almost arnold 'shape'in quick time and with modern for that time condition..
Poor old Zane. First he broke his penis, then he broke his trophy. Mike Mentzer lost the 80 Olympia then later lost the will to live.Arnold used bodybuilding to springboard him into real estate, Hollywood and politics. His drive was for much more than just bodybuilding. Even had Mentzer won the Olympia he never would have achieved anything beyond that. Zane, Dickerson and the rest won the O and never went any further.
There are others even less fortunate. Angry little men who live with regret. 43 years later, still angry at themselves for having listened to the wrong advices. Their only recourse is to, impotently, jab at the Austrian Oak, posting endlessly on internet forums, attempting to detract from Arnold's accomplishments, not having any of their own to focus on instead. Waging a never ending war against reality. Looking in the mirror each morning telling themselves that Arnold stole the 80 Olympia. They cannot come to a consensus on who should've won; they only know that it shouldn't have been Arnold. These people live an empty existence, knowing the lies they tell themselves carry about as much weight as Rocky telling Mick he won the first match against Clubber Laing. Only, unlike Mick, these little men must go on living, knowing the truth.
Their inability to cope makes you wonder: would they trade in the last years of their lives if it would produce total consciousness on their deathbed? To no longer be haunted, daily, by the thought of Arnold's victory propelling him into a superstardom beyond their wildest imagination? Knowing the thoroughly uninspred existence that would come to define their own legacy?
Arnold used bodybuilding to springboard him into real estate, Hollywood and politics. His drive was for much more than just bodybuilding. Even had Mentzer won the Olympia he never would have achieved anything beyond that. Zane, Dickerson and the rest won the O and never went any further.
Or maybe he caved and sucked the judges dicks...Arnold took cock & it´s well known ..no one talks about it or wants to hear it but it´s true.
Arnold used bodybuilding to springboard him into real estate, Hollywood and politics. His drive was for much more than just bodybuilding. Even had Mentzer won the Olympia he never would have achieved anything beyond that. Zane, Dickerson and the rest won the O and never went any further.
Reading through "Arnold the life of a legend" Barbara Outland said Arnold told her in 1969 he'd be governor of california. That's vision, drive and determination, everything he's wanted he's achieved while others stand by whining about what they can't do etc.Polar opposite of Mentzer.
Polar opposite of Mentzer.
Mentzer was a menace to Weider empire . At the time Mentzer was a favorite to win the Olympia and his Heavy Duty training was gaining popularity too fast within the industry…
Trashing Arnold’s training methods in his seminars was a direct attack to the so called “ Weider principles “ as well.
Complete conspiracy crap. Weider had methzer writing for his magazine espousing all his HIT nonsense. methzer was NEVER a threat to either Arnold or Weider. Hit is no secret. Many books, articles and vids have been made about it. The real reason it never took off is because it simply does not work.It took a longtime for people to figure that. Many still haven't.
It took a longtime for people to figure that. Many still haven't.
I can't see why. It's obvious. No top athlete or serious trainer uses meth head's methods. 5 decades of this hit guff and it has failed to deliver. It has had more than enough time to prove itself.His cult of personality blinds them to the actual results of the training.
His cult of personality blinds them to the actual results of the training.
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:)Mike was 10x better than Arnold the Homo
Mike was 10x better than Arnold the Homo
Mike was 10x better than Arnold the HomoHaha, sure he was.
Haha, sure he was.Arnold was full off shit..how many gullible young men tried to do his "six day a week, weider double split" & came to a grinding halt?
Arnold used bodybuilding to springboard him into real estate, Hollywood and politics. His drive was for much more than just bodybuilding. Even had Mentzer won the Olympia he never would have achieved anything beyond that. Zane, Dickerson and the rest won the O and never went any further.
Arnold was full off shit..how many gullible young men tried to do his "six day a week, weider double split" & came to a grinding halt?
Dude it´s all BS !
Not many at all.Bro.. ::)
Bro.. ::)
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.How did Arnold manage to improve his middle delts, still sloped but very round and looks heavy, probably HGH helped him with his conditioning.
Zane at least built a very good business for himself and did things his way. He is very aloof, laid back and a bit odd, so 'acting' was not for him.Yeah, Zane fared better than most.
Though he gave it a try and did not like it or do well at it... He 'worked for himself' for life (post teaching) so a 'win' in my book...
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:)I didn't know Don Ross was an IFBB Pro. His Mr America and Mr universe titles were from shitty organizations. He was a fun writer though.
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five of those named competed in the 81 olympia
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And this proves what?
😆😆😆😆 ikr?
I love the conspiracy theories about 1980. Especially the ones from 1980 about the CBS film crew, or George Butlers film crew. LOL!No shit! They act like the whole world was watching on pins and needles when almost no one even knew it was going on.
Turns out it was neither. It was Paul Grahams film crew for a shitty little amateur film that no one has ever heard of other than fairly die hard fans of the sport. Hilarious.
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Padilla has said in numerous occasions that Arnold at 85% was still good enough to beat anyone in 1980. And he even said Dickerson didn’t deserved to be runner up.Arnold was awarded the Mr O not on merit... dude we all know it.
I doubt he “signed” the 1981 infamous open letter.
Interesting in those quotes the losers come up with arnold was 60% of his best. There's no way he was that far off, not that it mattered as again they all made the mistake of comparing him to himself!
There are still some great pics of him from 1980 that look amazing for any year.
five of those named competed in the 81 olympia
Actually 8 of them competed.
waller, davis, rodreguez, bannout, tinerino, padilla, callender, dickerson
Interesting in those quotes the losers come up with arnold was 60% of his best. There's no way he was that far off, not that it mattered as again they all made the mistake of comparing him to himself!Yeah, he was competing against them not himself.
There are still some great pics of him from 1980 that look amazing for any year.
Norms footage on the 80 Olympia, he was there and shot some footage.
I used to get together w/ Norm once a year (w/ he and D-Mass).
RIP Norm... What a guy..i=laiNoAxhIBViWGaT
Have thos footage on dvd, everyone looks elongated, strange, everyone's legs look long and narrow. Something odd with the aspect ratioArnold looked like shit bro...
Arnold looked like shit bro...
Hope this helps
Yet he won. 😆Yeah but how :D
Yeah but how :D
Arnold looked like shit bro...But better than anyone else.
Hope this helps
Arnold looked like shit bro...
Hope this helps
But better than anyone else.
Here's Danny Padilla take on 1980 Olympia controversy ..... from the 11:35 mark
Btw , I agree 100 % with Danny
hope this help...
WooooSHHHHHHHHHH OCT 4th 1980
Who says it proves anything? It's an article , take what you want from it.
Funny how they all say Arnold should not have won but none of them can tell you should have won! ( well Mentzer did but he always said himself. lol. I remember at 16 years old and i was working out at a gym in Toledo Ohio and one day my training partner said he just heard that Arnold had won. I was excited to see the pictures ( always about 3 months or so after the shows the magazines had pics) And when I got the magazine I remember seeing Arnold and I thought to myself about how bad he looked. BUT then I seen him with the others and said oh ok he won. The reason I felt bad was because I expected him to look like ARNOLD. He of course didn't. BUT he was still better than everyone else but not by a whole lot like he used to be. Even he admitted it. So case closed. Arnold didn't look like Arnold but he didn't have to. He just had to be better than everyone else which he was. The contest was close but he still deserved to win
Funny how they all say Arnold should not have won but none of them can tell you should have won! ( well Mentzer did but he always said himself. lol. I remember at 16 years old and i was working out at a gym in Toledo Ohio and one day my training partner said he just heard that Arnold had won. I was excited to see the pictures ( always about 3 months or so after the shows the magazines had pics) And when I got the magazine I remember seeing Arnold and I thought to myself about how bad he looked. BUT then I seen him with the others and said oh ok he won. The reason I felt bad was because I expected him to look like ARNOLD. He of course didn't. BUT he was still better than everyone else but not by a whole lot like he used to be. Even he admitted it. So case closed. Arnold didn't look like Arnold but he didn't have to. He just had to be better than everyone else which he was. The contest was close but he still deserved to winThe good old days when we used to wait months to see contest pics and results. ;D
Funny how they all say Arnold should not have won but none of them can tell you should have won! ( well Mentzer did but he always said himself. lol. I remember at 16 years old and i was working out at a gym in Toledo Ohio and one day my training partner said he just heard that Arnold had won. I was excited to see the pictures ( always about 3 months or so after the shows the magazines had pics) And when I got the magazine I remember seeing Arnold and I thought to myself about how bad he looked. BUT then I seen him with the others and said oh ok he won. The reason I felt bad was because I expected him to look like ARNOLD. He of course didn't. BUT he was still better than everyone else but not by a whole lot like he used to be. Even he admitted it. So case closed. Arnold didn't look like Arnold but he didn't have to. He just had to be better than everyone else which he was. The contest was close but he still deserved to winI was wondering if you remember the name of the gym in Toledo you worked out at by chance?
Norms footage on the 80 Olympia, he was there and shot some footage.Norm Hebert ???
I used to get together w/ Norm once a year (w/ he and D-Mass).
RIP Norm... What a guy..i=laiNoAxhIBViWGaT
Funny how they all say Arnold should not have won but none of them can tell you should have won! ( well Mentzer did but he always said himself. lol. I remember at 16 years old and i was working out at a gym in Toledo Ohio and one day my training partner said he just heard that Arnold had won. I was excited to see the pictures ( always about 3 months or so after the shows the magazines had pics) And when I got the magazine I remember seeing Arnold and I thought to myself about how bad he looked. BUT then I seen him with the others and said oh ok he won. The reason I felt bad was because I expected him to look like ARNOLD. He of course didn't. BUT he was still better than everyone else but not by a whole lot like he used to be. Even he admitted it. So case closed. Arnold didn't look like Arnold but he didn't have to. He just had to be better than everyone else which he was. The contest was close but he still deserved to win
That is exactly why 1980 was,is and will be the most controversial BB contest in history.
Sure people will often say 1981 was worse ... saying either Platz or Padilla should have won it.
or in 2007 V. Martinez was the uncrowned mrO , or Shawn Ray 96' ,Sergio 72' or Nasser 97' ....etc
But when you ask who is the uncrowned 1980 mrO ?
better get your soda and pop corn ready ;D
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Oct4th 1980
There is no uncrowned 1980 Mr olympia. There was only Arnold. He beat them all as he WAS the best that day. The losers like Coe and Zane can cry foul as much as they want but the fact is they could not beat an 80% Arnold. 😆
But Zane did beat Arnold once...
Bloated fake drug muscles, serious bidness!!
Only when Arnold wasn't prepared. He wasn't a ripped and did not have a tan in his first encounter with Zane. Arnold learned from his mistakes and went on to beat Zane numerous times. Zane is just another salty loser. Apparently he was heard crying in his room after the contest. So much for the Zen master. 😆
Dickerson should have won in 1980 and 81No way they put someone that short over Arnold.
but not in 82.
Its density, proportions and dryness were ahead of all.
Dickerson should have won in 1980 and 81
but not in 82.
Its density, proportions and dryness were ahead of all.
Dickerson, too short, too small, weird droopy chest, no biceps. Seriously, how was he ever going to dominate over a superior like Arnold?
Dickerson should have won in 1980 and 81
but not in 82.
Its density, proportions and dryness were ahead of all.
Yeah Right 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Whatever your smoking - Stop.
I said the judges felt that way , not me
WoooSHHHHHHHHHH Oct 4th 1980
Arnold owning gay boy Chris Dick in son.
Norms footage on the 80 Olympia, he was there and shot some footage.
I used to get together w/ Norm once a year (w/ he and D-Mass).
RIP Norm... What a guy..i=laiNoAxhIBViWGaT
^^
What happened to NORM?? I watched his videos and always wondered??
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Arnold Schwarzenegger made an appearance on the highly rated television program 'The Mike Walsh Show' preaching the benefits of bodybuilding for both men and women.
At this point in time Arnold had not shared his intention of competing in the 1980 Mr Olympia title in Sydney, Australia.
Back in the day The Olympia was taped and after Weider publications milked the entire contest photos articles in magazines, then months later the contest would finally be shown on tv ... Even the Lee Haney years" were on ESPN months after the actual show......
Dorian Yates has said in several occasions that Arnold did in fact bough the CBS footage as soon as he could so no one could air it.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH
;D
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I wonder what kind of shape Larry Scott was in 1980. He’d be turning 42 eight days after the show which seems kind of old for competitive bodybuilding back then. Upon further schmoesearch, I see he made a comeback of some sort and didn’t place well in ‘79
I wonder what kind of shape Larry Scott was in 1980. He’d be turning 42 eight days after the show which seems kind of old for competitive bodybuilding back then. Upon further schmoesearch, I see he made a comeback of some sort and didn’t place well in ‘79
Why would he buy the cbs footage when he won and there's loads of other film out there? How the hell would dorian know, he's not friends with arnold, he'd only have that idea coz someone else probably made up some shit and told him.
Lou in 1980 ! One can only wonderIf Lou competed from '76-'83 he would have 8 Olympia titles. He had to be in great shape for the Hulk tv show anyway.
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Here's Dorian saying Arnold bought 1980 mrO videos lol ............. but Dorian was a Mentzer's guy so there's that ;D
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Arnold didn’t think mentzer was a bad bodybuilder in fact he viewed him as his main competition for the 80 Olympia
Not really. Zanne was the guy Arnold had to beat. methzer barely showed up on the Oak's radar.Yeah, Zane was 3X defending champ.
Oh and one last thing . Arnold NEVER worried about Methhead Mike. He in fact didn't worry about any of them. They were all good but Arnold knew he was better. His mind set never let him think otherwise except once with Sergio. So no he wasn't worried. He knew zane couldn't because zane called him for advice after he got his balls cut from a lawn chair. He NEVER put down Mikes training or anyone elses. He always said that "mike found a training system that worked for him" and things like that. He did say that people like Methhead and franco both have powerful looking bodies but when they flex nothing really changes. He said they need to do more sets more reps more exercises and train more often to give their body a different look ( or something like that) and it is true. He wasn't putting them down but bodybuilders who trained like Arnold and the rest had more "pop" in the poses. Look at these bag of shits nowdays. They all look the same and they don't "pop" when they pose. And wtf is this posing with their tounges all hanging out and pushing their legs against each other and straining. Looks like they are constipated and trying to take a shit. Posing should be gracefull and asthetic and smooth and look like they are not flexing hard etc. Bodybuilding is dead and its because of the rich schmoes and other idiots who just want to see "freaks".
Oh and one last thing . Arnold NEVER worried about Methhead Mike. He in fact didn't worry about any of them. They were all good but Arnold knew he was better. His mind set never let him think otherwise except once with Sergio. So no he wasn't worried. He knew zane couldn't because zane called him for advice after he got his balls cut from a lawn chair. He NEVER put down Mikes training or anyone elses. He always said that "mike found a training system that worked for him" and things like that. He did say that people like Methhead and franco both have powerful looking bodies but when they flex nothing really changes. He said they need to do more sets more reps more exercises and train more often to give their body a different look ( or something like that) and it is true. He wasn't putting them down but bodybuilders who trained like Arnold and the rest had more "pop" in the poses. Look at these bag of shits nowdays. They all look the same and they don't "pop" when they pose. And wtf is this posing with their tounges all hanging out and pushing their legs against each other and straining. Looks like they are constipated and trying to take a shit. Posing should be gracefull and asthetic and smooth and look like they are not flexing hard etc. Bodybuilding is dead and its because of the rich schmoes and other idiots who just want to see "freaks".
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Ok guys this the last time I tell you this. CBS was NOT there!!! Arnold told people he was going to do the commentary for CBS ( wide world of sports) because they were asking if he was going to compete ( he was getting big again for the movie Conan). So he told them that. Plus when they would have seen him on the plane they would have been suspicious as well. Plus he didn't want the sissy nancies pulling out of the show if they knew he was competing and then ruin it for the promoter. So they did NOT know until Arnold showed up to the athletes meeting. Then everyone knew they lost and got all pissed. He beat them before he even got on stage . Bunch of weak people. There now there should be no more discussion on if CBS was there. They were NOT.
And Dorian? Again a person who has nothing but bodybuilding. Everyone wants to be like Arnold. Rich movie star famous etc. But Arnold knew back then there was no money in bodybuilding. He used it as a stepping stone. He won 1000 dollars for all of his olympia wins except in 1980. And then only because he was increasing prize money at his contests. So he worked his ass off to get where he is. He got bodybuilding to be popular. He went on tv . Talk shows commercials . He did charity work. He was already a millionaire in the early 70s from his real estate and other business ventures outside of bodybuilding. These people like meth head and dorian and coleman and pretty much everyone else thinks they will be Arnold just by winning a contest. Then sitting around waiting for everything to fall into their lap. Smh. Then they retire and have nothing. Their bodys are shot. They have no real income and have to do personal training etc. Dorian is full of shit. He was a chemical experiment taken to the extreme and looked what happened. No one knows who the fuck he is outside of bodybuilding. He thought Arnold dissed him when Arnold said this " and this guy from england comes over and wins the olympia and then goes back to england and no one knows who he is" Dorian took that as a insult. He thought he was on Arnolds level or even "above" it. Smh . When Arnold said that he was talking about how bodybuilding is dying. No one is doing anything for the sport like he did. ( tv shows commercials prison seminars charity events etc ) There so now everyone knows
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FDF Padilla Owning Mentzer , Padilla placed out of top ten ....
never complained about Arnold winning.
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There was definitely tv crew filming both on and off stage ......
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHh can HULU pull it off ?
Days after the 1980 Mr. Olympia took place, Top competitor Boyer Coe was asked to watch and inspect the complete footage that was filmed on Sydney; from arrival of Athletes to Arnold receiving the Sandow trophy on stage while being completely drowned by a massive booing at Opera house ....
Boyer couldn't believe his eyes and told producer " there's no way this can air on national tv! "
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FDB Padilla Owning Mentzer , Padilla placed out of top ten ....
never complained about Arnold winning.
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So Coe says but most likely BS.
There's no way was this can air on national tv!? What Arnold dwarfing Coe himself and everyone else for that matter, schooling them at only 80%.
Why would a perfect reaction need to be broadcast anyway, it would have no effect on viewership or ratings or piss off the average person watching at home.
Ive heard the booing going on for ages and drowing out cheers was bullshit anyway, there were boos but plenty of cheers too.
Yea there was a film crew there making "the comeback" or "total rebuild".
No, the booing was loud and lasted for some time. Eventually the audience did applaud Arnold. I had a friend take a movie of the posedown and presentation but he was so excited about Roger Walker that he kept stamping his feet and the film was ruined. I should have the audio, though. Must get the movie from my ex and have it processed. Then I will post the sound track here which should stop all this speculation.
Sure, a "friend"...
Full homo.
Some people were booing like at most contests. Had Dickerson won different people in the crowd would have been booing. The video shows most cheering after the decision.
The video was edited to remove most of the booing. Like I said I have the audio recording. Will have it restored so we can listen to it and end this silly discussion.You can actually see the majority cheering in the film. You couldn't edit that in 1980.
You can actually see the majority cheering in the film. You couldn't edit that in 1980.
There's no way was this can air on national tv!? What Arnold dwarfing Coe himself and everyone else for that matter, schooling them at only 80%.
Why would a perfect reaction need to be broadcast anyway, it would have no effect on viewership or ratings or piss off the average person watching at home.
Ive heard the booing going on for ages and drowing out cheers was bullshit anyway, there were boos but plenty of cheers too.
Yea there was a film crew there making "the comeback" or "total rebuild".
The total Rebuild " made no sense as only featured Arnold making comments days after the contest was over, him being already back in USA , and Tom Platz who wasn't even top ten in the contest lol .....
All the real footage of actual contest with Bill pearl as commentator interviewing contestants both during and after contest has never been released.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=562516.0;attach=1466058;image)
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You can actually see the majority cheering in the film. You couldn't edit that in 1980.
Wasn't cbs though.
yes it was .
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So who really knows or can confirm CBS presence? I see plenty online regarding yet not one photo of them ever being there. None of the TV crews nor the cameras have any identifying CBS logos that would otherwise be presentIt don´t matter ...Arnold never really won :D
It don´t matter ...Arnold never really won :D
So who really knows or can confirm CBS presence? I see plenty online regarding yet not one photo of them ever being there. None of the TV crews nor the cameras have any identifying CBS logos that would otherwise be present
Exactly. Even Cbs have never confirmed it.
That's what I thought too but the pic of Pearl in a suit holding a microphone that has the CBS logo on it. Still have no idea how that works. There's been demand for it for years. Perhaps it was planned but crew never went? Or something else bumped it off the TV schedule? Who can say why it was not aired ? As the promoter of the show I would imagine that Paul Graham would've been I volved in some way. And he was just a puppet promoter for Arnold. Maybe Arnold himself thought 'I can't let this be aired on TV. There's boos in the audience, I look like shit compared to my previous shape. This could damage my movie career.' Who knows? But the thought that CBS executives gave a shit about "controversy" or made decisions based on what Boyer Coe or MM or Zane had to say? Baldetdash!
No cbs logo on that camera. But everything else is spot on. Although the idea that Arnold didn't want it to be aired is void since the photos of the olympia would be published and the fact that he made the short film Total Rebuild centring around his 1980 comeback I don't think Arnold had any issues with his appearance.
There's no way was this can air on national tv!? What Arnold dwarfing Coe himself and everyone else for that matter, schooling them at only 80%.
Why would a perfect reaction need to be broadcast anyway, it would have no effect on viewership or ratings or piss off the average person watching at home.
Ive heard the booing going on for ages and drowing out cheers was bullshit anyway, there were boos but plenty of cheers too.
Yea there was a film crew there making "the comeback" or "total rebuild".
Lol After some research" I think Boyer meant that when he actually sat down and got to see the UNEDITTED footage, the loud booing when Arnold was announced the winner was evident .... also, Bill Pearl interviewed top contestants giving their impressions back stage regarding the results and basically, they were trashing the Judges and Arnolds shape lol .......you could even hear the crowd still booing at that point ....
Remember, Arnold wanted to use his comeback victory to promote his image for the Conan movie , but that footage alone on national tv was probably do the opposite had it air as taped.... same for Weider and IFBB image.
Judging from CBS film ,for some stranger reason Roger walker and Dickerson seemed more dense and were crowd favorites at that point the crew even followed them more than Arnold himself .... As Arnold was looking like a 3rd place finisher
So It looks like Arnold and friends agreed to keep the footage "for free" to release it at some point during the Conan premier (18 months later?) .... but Arnold knew better. ;D
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No cbs logo on that camera. But everything else is spot on. Although the idea that Arnold didn't want it to be aired is void since the photos of the olympia would be published and the fact that he made the short film Total Rebuild centring around his 1980 comeback I don't think Arnold had any issues with his appearance.
Like I always said, Dickerson should have wonNo way. He looked like a flea next to Arnold.
Olympia 80 & 81 but not 82.
His density and back (+legs&calves) were unmatched.
No way. He looked like a flea next to Arnold.
A droopy lopsided flea. Arnold looked better in the mandatories and they all disappeared from the side compared to him.Dickerson was lucky to win in '82.
So who really knows or can confirm CBS presence? I see plenty online regarding yet not one photo of them ever being there. None of the TV crews nor the cameras have any identifying CBS logos that would otherwise be present
Cbs were never there.Obviously, CBS was there.
Cbs were never there.
In 43 years, it will still be discussed on Getbig ;DWe will all be dead.
We will all be dead.
WHO SHOULD HAVE WON THE 1980 MR OLYMPIA CONTEST?
I'm priming my son to carry the torch.For Getbig or the Olympia?
WHO SHOULD HAVE WON THE 1980 MR OLYMPIA CONTEST?
Great editing job, who did this ? a Mentzer/Getbigger ?
Just in this thread alone you can find interviews/audio of Padilla saying Arnold won despite not being 100 %
Tinerino had a great point of why this is the most controversial Olympia
Never mind Arnolds shape; Any pro bodybuilder would have felt disrespected the way Arnold entered the show, treated fellow competitors and didn't listen to the judges while posing .
I still think Arnold was the best on stage though
but , can you name a MrOlympia winner that regrets winning a particular sandow ?
In his Netflix Bio series , Arnold did not mention the 1980 Olympia , So basically mainstream audiences think he was done with bodybuilding after winning O 1975 in Africa , that tells you right there something is off. like he wants to erase that chapter of his life, At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Arnold believes he didn't compete in Australia 1980.lol
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I just think there wasn't enough time, that documentary only scratched the surface if his life. The mainstream audience would have no clue about the 1980 controversy, it'd make no difference to include it.
I have no doubt it was originally mentioned but they took just 3 hours out of 40 hours of footage and interviews filmed. Much like the what is it, 100 hours of pumping iron footage that's sat on the shelf.
Given that 1980 MrO has been the greatest comeback in bodybuilding history, and there was an entire episode dedicated to Arnold as a bodybuilder in the Netflix documentary, I couldn’t help thinking it was strange that Arnold totally ignored it. Specially with the rumors of him destroying/hiding footage and pictures of that contest only growing stronger.
I wouldn’t go as far as saying It makes no difference to include it on the documentary , bodybuilding is boring as it is , Arnold should own that shit. And say : “I did in 6 months what the rest of bodybuilders do in a full year came back and won it “ and live it at that.
Was he friends with the judges? YES! Did the Weiders blocked Mentzer ? YES ! Was Arnold booed in Sydney? YES ! Did 13 competitors feel robbed ? YES did he almost get his ass handed ? YES !
Arnold is keeping that can of warms closed. … that’s for sure.
Given that 1980 MrO has been the greatest comeback in bodybuilding history, and there was an entire episode dedicated to Arnold as a bodybuilder in the Netflix documentary, I couldn’t help thinking it was strange that Arnold totally ignored it. Specially with the rumors of him destroying/hiding footage and pictures of that contest only growing stronger.
I wouldn’t go as far as saying It makes no difference to include it on the documentary , bodybuilding is boring as it is , Arnold should own that shit. And say : “I did in 6 months what the rest of bodybuilders do in a full year came back and won it “ and live it at that.
Was he friends with the judges? YES! Did the Weiders blocked Mentzer ? YES ! Was Arnold booed in Sydney? YES ! Did 13 competitors feel robbed ? YES did he almost get his ass handed ? YES !
Arnold is keeping that can of warms closed. … that’s for sure.
That's it. Mentzer won. See that caption they all looking at the man like "f*ck that guy really has it we're f*cked"
WHO SHOULD HAVE WON THE 1980 MR OLYMPIA CONTEST?
I dunno, like i said 40 hours was whittled down to 3! How do we know he didn't talk in detail about it? Look at how little was actually said about any of his movies. The director/editors seem to have just made a story, the familiar one we all know. I mean i learnt nothing new from that documentary but people i know who've watched it who don't follow him said it was really good and insigjtful.
Great editing job, who did this ? a Mentzer/Getbigger ?Mainstream audiences don't even know the Olympia exists.
Just in this thread alone you can find interviews/audio of Padilla saying Arnold won despite not being 100 %
Tinerino had a great point of why this is the most controversial Olympia
Never mind Arnolds shape; Any pro bodybuilder would have felt disrespected the way Arnold entered the show, treated fellow competitors and didn't listen to the judges while posing .
I still think Arnold was the best on stage though
but , can you name a MrOlympia winner that regrets winning a particular sandow ?
In his Netflix Bio series , Arnold did not mention the 1980 Olympia , So basically mainstream audiences think he was done with bodybuilding after winning O 1975 in Africa , that tells you right there something is off. like he wants to erase that chapter of his life, At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Arnold believes he didn't compete in Australia 1980.lol
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHH Oct.4th 1980
THE WIZARD OF OZ
Arnold Schwarzenegger’s win at the 1980 Mr. Olympia staged in the glamorous environs of the Sydney Opera House in Australia raised a storm of controversy that still reverberates today. Here’s an in depth look at the event.
By Peter McGough
THE FIGHT
It was mid-afternoon on Friday October 3, 1980 and Arnold Schwarzenegger, ensconced in his suite at the Sydney Hilton Hotel, was transfixed by the drama being played out on the TV screen in front of him. The live images were those of Larry Holmes pummeling an over-the-hill and spent Muhammad Ali in their world title fight in Las Vegas. (In Vegas it was 9.00pm Thursday October 2, which meant that given the separation of 18 time zones it was 3.00pm Friday October 3 in Sydney.)
Ali – bereft of his long-gone float like a butterfly skills – took a terrible shellacking before his trainer Angelo Dundee called the fight off at the end of the 11th round. It was a pitiful sight for all observers (even Holmes seemed reluctant to hit Ali as the fight approached its end), as it was clear a great champion had gone to the well once too many times. Ali’s demise in the desert heat must have rung symbolic warning bells for Schwarzenegger. After all wasn’t he known as the Muhammad Ali of bodybuilding, wasn’t he like the Louisville native, his sport’s most charismatic and famous champion? And now hadn’t he seen Ali’s legend along with his body take an awful beating? Hadn’t he seen an icon humiliated and rendered mortal to an adoring public?
The next day Schwarzenegger, at age 33, was due to compete for the Mr. Olympia title five years after taking his sixth victory at the sport’s most prestigious contest. He was set to make a sensational comeback but 24 hours prior to the event, very few people knew of his plan. Mindful of the carnage he had seen beamed from Vegas, he still had time to pull out; still had time to avert an Ali like collapse of a golden career. But with the self-belief that had dictated his career the future Governor of California decided that the show must go on and in many ways what was to happen over the next 36 hours was indeed a show: Perhaps the greatest ever rendition of The Arnold Schwarzenegger Show.
ARNOLD, FRANK & SYDNEY
Eight weeks prior to the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest, after three years of typical Hollywood “tell your peeps to call my peeps” negotiations, production for the movie Conan The Barbarian, with Arnold in the lead role, had been given the green light. Shooting would begin in late October of that year and the muscular demands of the role compelled Arnold to launch into an intensive workout blitz at World’s Gym, Venice with the aim of returning his then streamlined dimensions toward a semblance of his previous Olympia winning physique.
With muscle memory kicking in, allied with Arnold’s ferocious commitment to grow, word soon spread around the village that is bodybuilding that Arnold’s sudden gym activity meant he was Olympia bound. When asked, he scoffed at such suggestions, affirming that each rep was in pursuit of a Conan type physique while at the same time stating he would be at the Olympia, but only in the role of doing color commentary for CBS who had covered the event in recent years.
It was early August 1980 when Frank Zane having just finished a workout thought to himself, “Oh shit! Another eight weeks of this.” The then 38 year old had won the previous three Mr. Olympias and in doing so launched the Zane Era in which he symbolized a classical look that attracted praise from the mainstream and bodybuilding’s core audience alike. Even today Zane’s physique is Exhibit A for lobbyists calling for a return to aesthetic and healthy bodybuilding.
That fateful August afternoon he went to the pool at his Palm Springs home for his daily tan. He recalls what happened next: “I sat in this lightweight chair by the pool and as I did it slid on the wet Astroturf by the side and I fell onto the lip of the pool which hit me right between the legs and smashed my bulbous urethra. Blood was gushing from my penis. I was rushed to hospital and was in for four days with a catheter attachment … it was horrible.” It was also, for a short time, a life-threatening situation.
A few days after leaving hospital the bleeding started again and more treatment was required. By the time his condition stabilized two weeks had passed and Zane had lost 15 pounds of muscle. The scuttlebutt around Venice was, forget a fourth title, the odds are he wouldn’t even be able to compete in Sydney. Contemplating what to do Zane did what most of the top guys of that period did – he consulted with Arnold.
He explains why: “Since his competitive retirement Arnold was the go-to guy before contests. Everyone went to him for advice. They’d do their posing routine and he’d point out every little thing that was wrong. I called him and he said, ‘Yeah, the word is out at Gold’s that you took so many steroids your dick started to bleed.’ I asked him what he thought I should do. He told me, ‘You should go to Australia and defend your title.’”
Arnold’s “advices” sort of confirmed what the triple Mr. O had been thinking: He had the tickets, he had six weeks left to whip myself in shape, why not?
In that same conversation Zane asked Arnold if he was entering the Mr. Olympia. Back came Arnold’s standard Getting in shape for Conan/CBS commentary answer. At the time the questioner had no reason to doubt what the man he considered a friend told him.
Whatever Arnold’s thought process was at the time, one can speculate that it may have crossed his mind that a sub par Frank Zane showing up in Sydney would be to the advantage of the comeback aspirant. He may have mused that once he (Arnold) stepped onstage he would be the focus of attention, but that would be followed closely by how he compared to the defending champ Zane; who had defined the post-Schwarzenegger era. That’s the way it works: the man who wears the crown is the target. That’s who the judges compare everyone else to. Those who had seen Zane at six weeks out were amazed at the shape he valiantly attained by contest time. But at 180 or so pounds, ten pounds lighter than his 1979 form, he was not the force he would have been at his best. Zane’s accident was really strike one for Arnold.
SECONDS OUT: DING! DING!
The fifteen official entrants scheduled to contest the 1980 Mr. Olympia showdown duly arrived in Sydney a few days before October 4. They were still unaware that there would be a 16th contender entering at the 11th hour.
Boyer Coe, who was destined for fourth place, first heard about Arnold’s participation on the morning of the contest. Bill Pearl (who withdrew from being head judge) called him in his hotel room and said, “I just want to let you know that Arnold is gonna enter the contest.” Pearl also added that Arnold wanted the competition to be run under the format of two classes: under 200 pounds and over 200 pounds, with the two class winners posing off for the title. The contest had been conducted along those lines from 1974 through 1979. But after the ’79 Olympia it was decided to go back to the open class as the situation could occur where the second placed guy in the lighter class may be better than the winner of the heavy class and/or vice-versa.
Only when Arnold – complete with gym bag -- showed up at the competitors meeting shortly before Saturday afternoon’s prejudging did the rest of the field know he was in.
Arnold’s immediately called for a return to having two classes in the contest. It transpired that Arnold was the only one in favor of maintaining the two-class system. To cut to the chase Coe addressed the meeting as follows: “Fifteen of us want it one way, Arnold’s the only guy wants it another way. Why not let Arnold explain his reasoning.”
Arnold snapped back, “Boyer why don’t you act like a man.”
Before Coe could respond Mike Mentzer jumped into the fray. This is how Mentzer recalled what happened next. “I interjected and asked Arnold why he was so reluctant to see the open class introduced. For some reason, that question pissed him off and he barked at me, ‘Mike Mentzer, we all know Zane beat you last year because you have a big stomach!’
"I was seated 20 feet away from Arnold, who was standing holding court, and I perhaps allowed that comment to irritate me too much, as on impulse, I bolted toward him. As I approached him, I decided I wouldn't hit him.” At that flashpoint moment someone stepped in between the two and defused the issue. Coe recalls that the peacemaker was Bill Pearl; others cite Joe or Ben Weider. Whatever, at that juncture Arnold withdrew his plea for two weight classes and some sort of peace was restored.
So why was Arnold so strongly opposed to an open class? Some say he saw the greater threats to him coming from under 200 pounders like Dickerson and Zane and felt he would have a better chance standing against only one of them at the end when his size and height would be thrown more advantageously into sharp relief. That may be the case but what can’t escape scrutiny is the theory that he just wanted to show up at the meeting and press more buttons than an overworked elevator operator and if the other guys had been in favor of two classes then maybe he would have argued for one class. Perhaps the whole point of creating the altercation was to deflect his rivals from the intense inner mental concentration that is de rigueur for bodybuilders in the hours before competition. As it was his rivals perhaps left the meeting with dark thoughts of Arnold, and not fully focused on their own preparations. Mission accomplished?
ZERO HOUR
As the competitors changed backstage Boer Coe remembers his first sight of the 1980 model of Schwarzenegger. “He looked very light, particularly in the legs and was lacking the thickness we’d come to expect.” As for Coe himself, the then 34 year old was, at 208 pounds, to many observers in the shape of his life.
When Zane eventually saw a betrunked Schwarzenegger he thought the former champ would be, “Sixth. He looked puffy early on, like he was holding water. Then he sweat so much during the prejudging that he did look better by the night show. But he still wasn’t Arnold. It’s like you’re out of it for five years and you train eight weeks …. C’mon?”
Estimates of what the late entrant weighed varied between 217 and 225 pounds. In winning the 1975 Olympia Arnold had been around 230 pounds. In 1974, which many cite as Arnold’s best year, he was 240 pounds. His bodyweight in 1975 was light for him as earlier in the year he had to reduce his physique to appear in the movie Stay Hungry, and then in three months put size back on to compete at that year’s Olympia in South Africa. In fact the only reason he did compete in ’75 was because producer George Butler made the contest the backdrop for Pumping Iron.
Arnold’s performance during the contest was unorthodox to say the least. Call it arrogance, call it unsporting, but maybe finally call it generalship. When asked to hit certain compulsories – side triceps for instance – he would instead do one of his trademark poses: like front double biceps, side chest, single arm biceps, and three-quarter back shots. Despite the streamlining elsewhere he was still impressive in those shots and, true to the template of his life, played to his strengths and ignored his weaknesses.
Bodybuilding's showcase muscles are the biceps and chest. Arnold had arguably the best biceps and chest the sport has seen, even to this day. Coincidence? Gimme a break! Arnold has street and gym smarts. His bodybuilding master plan was uncomplicated. Go for the jugular with the best showcase muscles around; exploit your strengths, ignore weaknesses, let the charisma ooze out. Never change a winning formula; modify, improve, but don't abandon. Never, ever, give any indication other than that the rest of the guys are only there for second place. Inspired by the opulent surroundings of the Sydney Opera House he executed his lifelong strategy and parlayed those show-stopping biceps and pecs into a winning position. How else to explain how a less than stellar Arnold returned to the Olympia in 1980 to take the most controversial win in the contest's history? What critics discount is the all-enveloping Arnold "I'm first, who cares who's second?" aura that just becomes irresistible.
As George Butler aptly phrased it: “If you want to beat Muhammad Ali on points, you’ve got to beat him by ten points. Likewise if you want to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger in the grandeur of the Sydney Opera House, you have got to beat him by a distance. You can't just be a little better.”
History records that Arnold Schwarzenegger won his seventh Mr. Olympia title on October 4, 1980 and also that for just about the first time in his career he was booed. Didn’t matter to Arnold, all that mattered was that he won. End of story. Bodybuilding contests, box-office returns, elections for state Governor – all that history remembers is the winner. Arnold didn’t really fixate on who was best, what was of paramount importance to him was who was “Number One” or as his iconic t-shirt shrieked “Numero Uno.”
In being called third, Zane was, “Really depressed. There’s a story that I left the stage and smashed my trophy. But what really happened is that I set the trophy down backstage – I really didn’t want it – and it sort of just fell over and the top came off. I left the hall went back to the hotel, drank a bottle of wine and fell asleep.”
In assessing his 1980 physique Zane says, “The main thing is, I think I got compared to the way I looked the year before. In Sydney I was ripped: Showing maybe even more muscle but I was smaller than ‘ 79. I felt that in 1980 I was still in really good shape, but not as good as ’79 when I was outstanding. And everyone knew what I had been through and my face, which was like a death mask, showed it. All that stress … my God, I almost died and then eight weeks later I was competing. Who would do that except a fool? In retrospect the best thing I could have done was not compete in 1980 and then come back in 1981.”
WHY DID HE DO IT?
In reflecting on the 1980 Olympia one has to ask, why did Arnold enter? He knew he couldn’t be at his all-time peak, and was risking defeat and a denting of his reputation. Zane feels he has at least part of the answer: “I think one of the reasons is he wanted to get even with me for something I said at the previous year’s Olympia. Now, let me tell you, Arnold has helped me a lot, both before 1980 and since. In 1979 he was really helpful to me. He was doing CBS commentary for the ’79 Olympia and he really built me up with his on-air comments. As I came offstage with my third Sandow I was feeling really good and maybe a little cocky. As Arnold came forward to interview me, He asked, ‘Frank, how does it feel to win Mr. Olympia for the third time?’ And, I answered, ‘Arnold it feels even better than when I beat you for [the 1968] Mr. Universe.’ I know he hated me saying that. It really bugged him and I think to get back at me for that remark was part of his motivation to enter the 1980 Mr. Olympia.”
Zane may not be far off the mark. In a February 2006 interview the Governor said the following: “Why did I do the comeback? It was a combination of things. The first and most important thing is that I was training for the Conan movie. At the same time I thought it was a good idea to compete because these guys had been saying in interviews that today’s bodybuilders are much better than when Schwarzenegger was around and I think we could all beat him now. That motivated me to jump in. [Ed’s note: Zane’s previously quoted comment and Mike Mentzer’s criticizing Arnold’s volume approach to training seemed to be the main targets for what the Governor said.]
In the same interview he went on to say, “Was it the right decision? I couldn’t tell you that today. It might have been the wrong motivation. The fact of the matter was I was an established bodybuilding champion who had crossed over into the entertainment field. And now I’ve been making money from movies so [others thought] why would I take the title away from the guys?
“I always had a big ego and that also came into play. So I competed, and I barely won -- I barely won. It was a hair-raising experience. I remember Bill Pearl came to me [after the prejudging] and said I was in third. I said to myself there is a chance to make up the deficit in the evening pose-off. I remember I did everything I could, no matter what it took to pose and pose and pose and to look as comfortable as possible and to be as good as possible in the evening to make up those two points and actually win.”
Responding to Pearl’s summation Arnold berated himself: “I immediately accused myself of being a major idiot. ‘Loser Arnold. You idiot: You ‘re going to lose this. Didn’t get your act together.’ [It was] self-punishment right away. Which I’m always very good in doing – beating up on myself. Then I immediately snapped into gear and said, ‘Now I have just to do everything I can do to pull this off – I have one more chance in the evening show.’ And I was very fortunate that I pulled it off and that I lost enough fluid. In the afternoon I had so much fluid and then with all this posing [I lost the fluid] I got really ripped. So by the time the evening came around I was in better shape than the afternoon and won.”
THE BOTTOM LINE
Leaving Sydney Zane was still a little perplexed as to why Arnold – whom he considered a friend – hadn’t told him he was making a comeback when he (Zane) had asked him point-blank eight weeks before the contest. He got his answer two months after the event when he and Arnold had breakfast at The Rose Café in Venice.
Zane recalls that meeting. “We got around to talking about why he didn’t tell me he was competing. The Carter vs. Reagan election had just taken place and Arnold said, “If prior to the election Carter had gone to Reagan and told him exactly how he planned to win the election, Reagan would have been a fool not to take advantage of that knowledge and use it for his benefit.’” Zane pauses before continuing, “Arnold then came up with a classic line as he said, ‘Frank, competition is about strategy; it’s not about friendship.’ That nailed it. And I got it. He was right – you can’t confuse the two.”
Decades removed from events how does Hall-of-Famer Frank Zane look back now at what transpired at the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest. “First of all I would like everyone to know that Arnold has helped me a lot. He is a friend in my book so it all balances out. Basically the lesson learned is, if you are smart, never compete against Arnold, because you won’t win – you just won’t win.”
Great editing job, who did this ? a Mentzer/Getbigger ?
Just in this thread alone you can find interviews/audio of Padilla saying Arnold won despite not being 100 %
Tinerino had a great point of why this is the most controversial Olympia
Never mind Arnolds shape; Any pro bodybuilder would have felt disrespected the way Arnold entered the show, treated fellow competitors and didn't listen to the judges while posing .
I still think Arnold was the best on stage though
but , can you name a MrOlympia winner that regrets winning a particular sandow ?
In his Netflix Bio series , Arnold did not mention the 1980 Olympia , So basically mainstream audiences think he was done with bodybuilding after winning O 1975 in Africa , that tells you right there something is off. like he wants to erase that chapter of his life, At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Arnold believes he didn't compete in Australia 1980.lol
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Mainstream audiences don't even know the Olympia exists.
The Documentary made it clear that the Olympia is the most important tittle in Bodybuilding right from the first episode.
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The Documentary made it clear that the Olympia is the most important tittle in Bodybuilding right from the first episode.Ask 100 people on the street what bodybuilding title Arnold is famous for and the #1 answer you will get is "no idea" and the #2 answer will be Mr. Universe.
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Ask 100 people on the street what bodybuilding title Arnold is famous for and the #1 answer you will get is "no idea" and the #2 answer will be Mr. Universe.young dudes in the Gym don´t give a fuck about arnold.
young dudes in the Gym don´t give a fuck about arnold.
Remember his early Mr O wins were against maybe 3 or 4 people..LOL & i think one Mr O no one else was there.
compared to say Haney,Dorian or Ronnie it´s a joke !
So?
Ask 100 people on the street what bodybuilding title Arnold is famous for and the #1 answer you will get is "no idea" and the #2 answer will be Mr. Universe.
you're missing the point, taking the conversation out of this thread makes absolutely no sense...
The average Joe or fitness influencer has no F clue what took place that dark Oct 4th 1980 in Sydney Australia
This is a Tread for elite exclusive old timers Getbiggers in the know .....
Just ask yourself , Why the controversy 43 damn years later?
Most witnesses /big names on the sport" feel they have more to lose saying publicly that the whole 1980 Olympia was a fraud ...... Since Arnold has been above the industry and is pretty much the face of BB, a little cult 'sport" where there's basically no money to make even with Arnold as a friend' ...... again I feel he was the deserving champ.
However, The obvious hermeticism that Arnold has on this subject only feeds on the rumors....
I just pray Generation iron doesn't end up making a garbage "movie:" about it and ruin the fucking investigation for all of us . lol
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Le vro neeeeee
I don't understand the "controversy."
Dickerson had ugly, small biceps and a droopy chest. He looked good in the back double biceps and his legs were sliced; otherwise, I was amazed he made the top two.
Frank looked okay but was way down in size. Boyer's lack of ab separation and his weird aesthetics cost him.
Mike was ripped but flat. RMJ will attribute that to Mike's HIT training that he supposedly didn't follow :/ (I say forget about John Little's Mentzer worshipping and take it up with Larry Pollock. He's the guy who said Mike "flipped," right? So why believe him about one thing but not the other?)
Walker was huge but a bit smooth, complete with bitch tits.
Arnold was Arnold. Tall, huge showy body parts and he dried out as the show went on. The judges should have been less forgiving of his antics -- No, Arnold! We called for side triceps, NOT a mantis pose! Do it right! -- but he was still the best that day.
I don't understand the "controversy."
Dickerson had ugly, small biceps and a droopy chest. He looked good in the back double biceps and his legs were sliced; otherwise, I was amazed he made the top two.
Frank looked okay but was way down in size. Boyer's lack of ab separation and his weird aesthetics cost him.
Mike was ripped but flat. RMJ will attribute that to Mike's HIT training that he supposedly didn't follow :/ (I say forget about John Little's Mentzer worshipping and take it up with Larry Pollock. He's the guy who said Mike "flipped," right? So why believe him about one thing but not the other?)
Walker was huge but a bit smooth, complete with bitch tits.
Arnold was Arnold. Tall, huge showy body parts and he dried out as the show went on. The judges should have been less forgiving of his antics -- No, Arnold! We called for side triceps, NOT a mantis pose! Do it right! -- but he was still the best that day.
That's right. methzer never did hit. John Terilli had trained with methzer in 1980 and saw him do 25 sets gor the back alone. Fact is, methzer just didnt have it. He thought he was going to beat Arnold...lol. He couldn't even beat Zane so what chance did he have against Arnold? None. It was never going to happen for old meth head.Mentzer should have trained with Michalik.
That's right. methzer never did hit. John Terilli had trained with methzer in 1980 and saw him do 25 sets gor the back alone. Fact is, methzer just didnt have it. He thought he was going to beat Arnold...lol. He couldn't even beat Zane so what chance did he have against Arnold? None. It was never going to happen for old meth head.
As I said, Larry Pollock disagrees.i=c5_-2Q_thiW8oibz
So does our own The Scott, who personally saw the Mentzers and Viator training in a HIT style in the late seventies.
I'm not sure why you're so wrapped around the axle when it comes to HIT. Even Fred Hatfield admits that it works. Is it necessarily better than, say, how Padilla trained? Absolutely NOT. But it helped me win my first show as a teenager (natty), and it didn't seem to hurt Larry's contest resume.
We've been down this road too many times, mate, and I can't help but to think we are speaking at cross-purposes sometimes. Let me ask you something: how do you define HIT?
I'm being earnest here, in an effort to understand one another. Consider it an olive branch.
As I said, Larry Pollock disagrees.i=c5_-2Q_thiW8oibz
So does our own The Scott, who personally saw the Mentzers and Viator training in a HIT style in the late seventies.
I'm not sure why you're so wrapped around the axle when it comes to HIT. Even Fred Hatfield admits that it works. Is it necessarily better than, say, how Padilla trained? Absolutely NOT. But it helped me win my first show as a teenager (natty), and it didn't seem to hurt Larry's contest resume.
We've been down this road too many times, mate, and I can't help but to think we are speaking at cross-purposes sometimes. Let me ask you something: how do you define HIT?
I'm being earnest here, in an effort to understand one another. Consider it an olive branch.
Old larry is on the roids and doesn't do hit as methzer prescribed. Hit, historically, has a very dismal success rate. No top athlete uses it."no athlete uses it" says it all.
Let's get the real story from the Big Man himself instead of listening to these cry babies whinging over how the 1980 was unfair. Somebody forgot to tell them it's a competition. It's an individual contest. No team playing. Arnold won simply because he was the best that day. Zane, Coe, Walker can shove it.
WHO SHOULD HAVE WON THE 1980 MR OLYMPIA CONTEST?
Mentzer's methods work even less for naturals which most of the (s)HIT warriors consist of.are you frustrated?
The were moments ....definitely worth watching remastered from different angles from a never released footage.
Perhaps we can have Boyer and Zane joining the thread. ;D
methzer looking awful there. Back is undeveloped with his deformed traps being very noticable. Too much fat in the glutes and hamstrings giving him that bottom heavy look along with his mall frame. How anyone can ever think he could ever have won this olympia are just plain laughable.:D what a clown
Glady have Zane and Coe on here so we can then call them out for being such pathetic dry babies.
:D what a clown
are you frustrated?Not at all as I don't train with the (s)HIT program.
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finally watched the entire Jay Cutler /Shawn Ray interview
the highliight of interview
1980 Mr.O
Shawn " Ok Arnold legs were down .wide waist but you couldn't take your eyes off him the entire contest."
Jay "(annoying chicken voice) "People say Arnold didn't deserve to win "
Shawn - Then who you think should have ?
Jay - " Well ... Samir Banout says Mentzer was the best man that year "
Shawn - Mentzer? the guy finished 5th ... Dickerson was the runner up ...funny how people keeps mentioning Mike Mentzer .
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Well they summarized 40 years of arguing perfectly...
Did they tackle Israel-Palestine too?
Did Jay or Shawn give a hot take on Ukraine?
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finally watched the entire Jay Cutler /Shawn Ray interview
the highliight of interview
1980 Mr.O
Shawn " Ok Arnold legs were down .wide waist but you couldn't take your eyes off him the entire contest."
Jay "(annoying chicken voice) "People say Arnold didn't deserve to win "
Shawn - Then who you think should have ?
Jay - (afraid to vent his own opinion)" Well ... Samir Banout says Mentzer was the best man that year "
Shawn - Mentzer? the guy finished 5th ... Dickerson was the runner up ...funny how people keeps mentioning Mike Mentzer .
WooooSHHHHHHHHH OCT 4th 1980
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methzer didn't even have a chest. 😁😆😂
methzer didn't even have a chest. 😁😆😂
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Beakdoctor, a bit of advice for you... if you ever try to spell, use a dictionary
A complete misunderstood individual .
Mentzer definitely was born in the wrong era.
Master Mind Mike Mentzer Dead 20+ years yet not alive
& driving the Feeble Minded mad like Illuminati with Rage. ;D :D ;D
Long Live RMJ11 the Owner of Minds.
Master Mind Mike Mentzer Dead 20+ years yet still alive
& driving the Feeble Minded mad with Rage. ;D :D ;D
Long Live Mike Mentzer the Owner of Minds.
One can easily say that the most controversial BB contest in history was Mr.O 1980,
where most people say that the guy who ended up fifth should have won, and that guy happens to be Mentzer! ...who never came back .... So he became immortal ...... no ones remeber who came 2nd or third or 4th lol
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The Immortal Mike Mentzer.... no matter how long he's been gone he still lives on in my head.
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Exactly. Arnold's bowling bowl bicep superior to Coe's peanut sized bicep. Just goes to show Arnold was the best that night. Nothing is ever going to change that fact.
ball/bowl. Fixed.
Exactly. Arnold's bowling ball bicep superior to Coe's peanut sized bicep. Just goes to show Arnold was the best that night. Nothing is ever going to change that fact.
WRONG! They all knew they were going to lose. Arnold was a master poser. If someone hit a pose and Arnold was better in it he would hit the same pose to dwarf them ( example here with coe) and if someone hit a pose that Arnold thought he didn't look as good in he would then hit one of hid better poses to get the attention on himself. And of course it always worked. In a post above someone said that "MOST people thought methead won". Smh That is funny because only methead and a few others ( methead fans) actually thought he won. Oh and of course anyone who didn't like Arnold.
WRONG! They all knew they were going to lose. Arnold was a master poser. If someone hit a pose and Arnold was better in it he would hit the same pose to dwarf them ( example here with coe) and if someone hit a pose that Arnold thought he didn't look as good in he would then hit one of hid better poses to get the attention on himself. And of course it always worked. In a post above someone said that "MOST people thought methead won". Smh That is funny because only methead and a few others ( methead fans) actually thought he won. Oh and of course anyone who didn't like Arnold.Yep, Arnold was the master of competition. He was a giant among midgets both mentally and physically.
Arnold Schwarzenegger won his seventh Mr. Olympia and officially retired from professional bodybuilding.So, the judge turned down Dickerson's sexual advances.
Unlike the 1975-1979 Mr. Olympia contests which had two weight divisions (above and below 200lbs), this contest had no weight divisions, returning to the 1965-1973 format where large and small bodybuilders competed directly against one another.
The loss and resulting controversy had a major impact on Mike Mentzer personally and professionally; it would be the last time he competed in professional bodybuilding, and he swore until the day he died that the event was rigged.
According to Chris Dickerson, "the promoter was a real low life, a bigot, who had a real dislike for me –partly on racial grounds and partly for my sexual orientation." Paul Graham even told another official that "Chris couldn't win because he was a fag."
Arnold Schwarzenegger won his seventh Mr. Olympia and officially retired from professional bodybuilding.
Unlike the 1975-1979 Mr. Olympia contests which had two weight divisions (above and below 200lbs), this contest had no weight divisions, returning to the 1965-1973 format where large and small bodybuilders competed directly against one another.
The loss and resulting controversy had a major impact on Mike Mentzer personally and professionally; it would be the last time he competed in professional bodybuilding, and he swore until the day he died that the event was rigged.
According to Chris Dickerson, "the promoter was a real low life, a bigot, who had a real dislike for me –partly on racial grounds and partly for my sexual orientation." Paul Graham even told another official that "Chris couldn't win because he was a fag. Plus He had a shitty looking physique"
WRONG! They all knew they were going to lose. Arnold was a master poser. If someone hit a pose and Arnold was better in it he would hit the same pose to dwarf them ( example here with coe) and if someone hit a pose that Arnold thought he didn't look as good in he would then hit one of hid better poses to get the attention on himself. And of course it always worked. In a post above someone said that "MOST people thought methead won". Smh That is funny because only methead and a few others ( methead fans) actually thought he won. Oh and of course anyone who didn't like Arnold.
WRONG? lol ...how so? youre saying the same exact thing I said lol .... You're only implying what you feel Arnold thought when hitting a dominating pose , its common knowledge that most competitors had Arnold out of top 6 (during the damn show) ..... Not saying I agree but quiet the opposite buddy , how wrong they were lol ..... As for you throwing methead in it ? didnt even mentioned the guy ,,,,
Most people here had like a car crash like experience with Mentzer , for some weird reason they wont let a day go by without bringing him up.
Wrong meant that no coe didn't hit the pose to compare his arm to Arnolds. Just the opposite. Coe hit a pose so Arnold hit his. And Wrong they ALL didn't think they were beating Arnold. Only one person did and that was Methead. I brought up Methead NOT because of your post. I even stated "in a post above" the person said EVERYONE thought MEATHEAD was the winner. NO not everyone did just Meth and his hit nuts and those who didnt like Arnold. So my bringing up methead had NOTHING to do with your post per se. Oh and gay dickerson was a typical black. He lost so it HAD to be racism. Smh. Ever notice how when they win they never say " I didn't deserve to win but I did win only BECAUSE I am black". But the minute they lose its only racism ( or because they are gay or whatever) I don't see how dickerson EVER won anything. Probably the worst Mr O ever! ( from Coleman on to the present don't count because to me they all look like shit. Huge just for huge sack. No symmetry or proportion and they just get worse. )
Wrong meant that no coe didn't hit the pose to compare his arm to Arnolds. Just the opposite. Coe hit a pose so Arnold hit his. And Wrong they ALL didn't think they were beating Arnold. Only one person did and that was Methead. I brought up Methead NOT because of your post. I even stated "in a post above" the person said EVERYONE thought MEATHEAD was the winner. NO not everyone did just Meth and his hit nuts and those who didnt like Arnold. So my bringing up methead had NOTHING to do with your post per se. Oh and gay dickerson was a typical black. He lost so it HAD to be racism. Smh. Ever notice how when they win they never say " I didn't deserve to win but I did win only BECAUSE I am black". But the minute they lose its only racism ( or because they are gay or whatever) I don't see how dickerson EVER won anything. Probably the worst Mr O ever! ( from Coleman on to the present don't count because to me they all look like shit. Huge just for huge sack. No symmetry or proportion and they just get worse. )
HOW A BODYBUILDING COMPETITION IS WON
At the 5:55 mark Jay talks briefly about 1980 mr.O (once again) ;D ...saying it's really hard to argue that Mentzer should have won if he only placed 5th" ......
DUH! Probably that's the whole point of that Olympia being the most controversial ....
Robby Robison said that the Weider system was the "dominating system" and no F way they were gonna allow Heavy duty hyped-up system" to get even top three cause it was all about business.
WoooSHHHH OCT 4th
Was i there there at the 1980 olympia? No. I haven't a fucking clue.
MIKE MENTZER should've won.
Nothing wrong with exposing a loon & fraud like Me
Was i there there at the 1980 olympia? No. I haven't a fucking clue.
Nothing wrong with exposing a loon & fraud like Me
Was Cutler there at the 1980 olympia? No. He hasn't a clue. methzer came 5th, not 2nd but 5th and for good reason. He looked like shit. He got placed behind 4 superior bodybuilders. There simply was no fix. It's a myth. Nothing more.
God (there is no god) damn Illumanti, will you chill the fuck out you fuckin loon. Jay is saying the same thing as you: methzer didn't deserve to win. He wasn't even close. He was 5th. Holy shit, it's amazing you need a translator for that. methzer fans...sheesh.
Ironically almost every one ( next generation of Olympia competitors and champs ) say neither Mentzer nor Arnold should have won the 1980 . Well at some point Yates , Banout,Dickerson and Heath felt Mentzer was better between the two.
And to make matters more controversial neither Arnie or Mentzer came came back to compete ever again, and Arnold bought (or stole) the raw footage so there you have it. A chapter tough to close.
You're right. I admit it I have no Fucking clue.
I'm Wrong on many accounts all the time ignore me .
Glad you see I'm a complete Khvnt. I knew every one would eventually. 😆
You're right. I admit it I have no Fucking clue.
I'm Wrong on many accounts all the time ignore me
Glad you see I'm a complete Khvnt. I knew every one would eventually. 😆
Most do on here argue with me - pointless as its like arguing with a dead fish as
I haven't got a Fucking clue.
Plus I'm a liberal leftist khvnt & a Queer Cuckold Faggott
Most do on here argue with me and win since I'm pointless as its like arguing with a dead fish as
I haven't got a Fucking clue.
Plus I'm a liberal leftist khvnt & a Queer Cuckold Faggott
Was Cutler there at the 1980 olympia? No. He hasn't a clue.
methzer came 5th, not 2nd but 5th and for good reason. He looked like shit. He got placed behind 4 superior bodybuilders. There simply was no fix. It's a myth. Nothing more.
Was I present? Not likely.
Mike was crap in 1980. Totally flat and overdepleted, but to say he looked like shit just confirms my weird hard-on for "methzer" ( so clever, since mike admitted to using meth).
Since I'm so vocal about just how badly methzer sucks and I look better and know how to better train, I'll throw up some pics.
I called out one of our vets, Tim Wescott, who has a terrible contest record a mile long. I also posted something truly _funny_ about Illumanti's father passing.
These girlie men I'm picking at are has beens who never was.
Ah!
I forgot something.
I said there was no fix in the placings in 1980.
Great No fix. Then my dead pal methzer never earned his tie for fourth with Coe, and ultimately, got fifth.
I do agree that Arnold, for all his onstage antics, still won. Dickersuckerson in second? Probably not...good quads, good back and solid side tri, but ugly abs, the smallest arms in the show, droopy pecs...how they rated him so highly, I'll never know. I can only reckon that Chris, as an openly queer, blew the right judges *shrug*
Arnold won and deservedly so.
Nothing like October 1980
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Mentzer stood a good few feet infront of arnold and half as wide, arnold thicker chest, better midsection. If he was out of shape what was mike?5th place.
5th place.;D 8)
Mentzer stood a good few feet infront of arnold and half as wide, arnold thicker chest, better midsection. If he was out of shape what was mike?
Arnold was on cocaine at the 1980 O
Arnold was on cocaine at the 1980 OEveryone probably was.
Arnold was on cocaine at the 1980 O
That Russian son of a B*" ( Mentzer's voice) ;D
My Xmas gift? Raw unedited extra explicit 1980 (what really happened in Sydney ) Mr.Olympia Amazon Prime exclusive
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 4K
Cbs footage would just further cement arnolds superiority
Exactly. Cbs don't have any extra footage anyhow. It's all a myth about there being any unreleased footage.Please kill yourself ASAP.
Kill myself ASAP.
Exactly. Cbs don't have any extra footage anyhow. It's all a myth about there being any unreleased footage.
8)That's a great mm shot!
8)arnold won enough looked good enough,,like haney in tested 90 mr o down in size but good enough..
Gay methzer
Mentzer was a handsome devil ( no homo )Pseudo intellectual.
Unlike the rest of IFBB he was very articulated, intellectual and fluent.
Looks like a village people’s YMCA on roids.
Booing or not... the video does not lie. Arnold (25lbs lighter than he was previously) was the best bodybuilder on that day.The End!
Get over it.
Mentzer was a handsome devil ( homo )
Unlike the rest of IFBB he was not very articulated, intellectual and fluent.
Looks like a village people’s YMCA gaybo.
Exactly. Cbs don't have any extra footage anyhow. It's all a myth about there being any unreleased footage.
Hope this helps
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Mentzer’s left bicep is smaller than Arnold’s right bicep
Maybe if Mike did more then one set of bench for chest he might have built one.
No chest methzer. methzer is gone.
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Maybe if Mike did more then one set of bench for chest he might have built one.:D WOOOSH
Maybe if Mike did more then one set of bench for chest he might have built one.
:D WOOOSH
Hi ROYALTY 😂😂
Easy man. I'm not Rimjob11. That's just mean
Hi RMJ11 😂😂
Easy man. I'm not Rimjob11. That's just mean
Arnold was too much of a bitch to even make eye contact with the Genius
This conflict has been the topic of debate and has grown in legend over the years... before this feud is settled it could take hundreds of years and cost thousands of lives.
What was the powder keg for such warfare?
Similar to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria kicking off world War I... The Arch Duke of Bodybuilding, the Austrian Oak, told Mentzer that he had a big belly.
This is a grievous matter of extreme importance. We may never peacefully resolve this aggression. Pro Mentzer rebels are assembling for a counter offensive as we speak.
This conflict has been the topic of debate and has grown in legend over the years... before this feud is settled it could take hundreds of years and cost thousands of lives.
What was the powder keg for such warfare?
Similar to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria kicking off world War I... The Arch Duke of Bodybuilding, the Austrian Oak, told Mentzer that he had a big belly. This insult was the defacto assassination of Mentzer, who never recovered and ultimately died (19 years later.)
This is a grievous matter of extreme importance. We may never peacefully resolve this aggression. Pro Mentzer rebels are assembling for a counter offensive as we speak.
Arnold was too much of a bitch to even make eye contact with the Genius
Arnold hardly looks worried or remotely concerned by Mike does he.
Easy man. I'm not Rimjob11. That's just mean
Royalty isn't doing too well at the moment. He's in a crisis cycle of excited delirium. He's hallucinating and thinks everyone is Rmj. I think he's suffering an emotional breakdown.
You have 20 accounts.
You're escalating again on your crisis cycle. Believing everyone is Rmj, furiously beating off to pictures of mentzer, posting more pics, having paranoid delusions, believing everyone is Rmj.
You've been at it awhile now. You should get some rest.
You sound angry again. Just like RMJ11.
I sound angry? Are you hearing voices?
Listen, you're on a roller coaster of emotions. You're upset with me, you're longing for more , yet unseen, pictures of the Mentzer brothers, you're so strung out on Mike that you'll even settle for a pic of a downsized Boyer Coe on the nautilus leg press or an angry Ray in grass stained sneakers, you're having paranoid delusions about multiple Rmj accounts, you've been , bizarrely, demanding pictures of umbrellas and upside down coffee mugs and now you're hearing my voice apparently. I think you're in a bit of a manic state. You've been on one. Take a rest.
Next thing you know you'll be running down Venice Blvd
totally nude and drinking your own urine. Only no one will ever accuse you of being a genius or confuse you with ever having worked out. :-\
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I’m seeing double! Two Mike Mentzers!
Chris Dickerson looks pretty damn good thereThe judges thought so too.
i told my friend in high school ray and mike were twins and that was the
two of them. he believed me.
Chris Dickerson looks pretty damn good there
;D
Ah, yes. The Mentzer twins
:)Dickerson looks like a lightweight there.
Dickerson looks like a lightweight there.
A lightweight who lacked size, no biceps and an awful looking chest.YEAH,HE WAS COMPLETE SHIT:
YEAH,HE WAS COMPLETE SHIT:
So true
Chris Dickerson:
1966
Mr Atlantic Coast - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr Eastern America - AAU, Overall Winner
Junior Mr USA - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr USA - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr New York City - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr New York Metropolitan - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr New York State - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr North America - AAU, 2nd
1967
Mr America - AAU, 6th
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 4th
Mr California - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr America - AAU, 4th
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 5th
1968
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 3rd
Mr America - AAU, 3rd
Junior Mr America - AAU, 3rd
Mr USA - AAU, Winner
Mr USA - AAU, Most Muscular, 2nd
1969
Mr America - AAU, 2nd
Junior Mr America - AAU, 2nd
1970
Mr America - AAU, Winner
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Junior Mr America - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr Universe - NABBA, Short, 1st
1971
Mr Universe - NABBA, Short, 1st
1973
Pro Mr America - WBBG, Winner
Mr Universe - NABBA, Overall Winner
Mr Universe - NABBA, Short, 1st
1974
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 1st
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Overall Winner
1975
Universe - Pro - PBBA, 2nd
Pro Mr World - WBBG, 2nd
1976
Olympus - WBBG, 4th
Universe - Pro - NABBA, 3rd
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 2nd
1979
Canada Diamond Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Vancouver - IFBB, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 4th
1980
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix California - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Louisiana - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Miami - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Pennsylvania - IFBB, 2nd
Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1981
Grand Prix California - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Louisiana - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix New England - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Washington - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix World Cup - IFBB, 2nd
Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
Professional World Cup - IFBB, 2nd
1982
Olympia - IFBB, Winner
1984
Olympia - IFBB, 11th
1990
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 8th
1994
Olympia - Masters - IFBB, 4th
Magazines
1968 July Vol 27, Num 5 IronMan
1969 March Strength and Health
1969 September Vol 28, Num 6 IronMan
1970 January Strength and Health
1970 June Vol 7, Num 6 Muscular Development
1970 July Vol 29, Num 5 IronMan
1970 July Strength and Health
1971 October Vol 100, Num 10 Health and Strength
1971 November Vol 100, Num 11 Health and Strength
1972 May Vol 31, Num 4 IronMan
1972 June Vol 9, Num 6 Muscular Development
1972 September Num 34 Muscle Training Illustrated
1973 November Vol 102, Num 11 Health and Strength
1973 December Vol 102, Num 12 Health and Strength
1974 March Vol 103, Num 3 Health and Strength
1974 May Vol 33, Num 4 IronMan
1974 September Vol 103, Num 9 Health and Strength
1975 Vol 104, Num 1 Health and Strength
1975 Vol 104, Num 2 Health and Strength
1975 March Vol 12, Num 2 Muscular Development
1975 May Num 48 Muscle Training Illustrated
1980 February Vol 109, Num 2 Health and Strength
1980 July Vol 41, Num 7 Muscle and Fitness
1980 September Vol 39, Num 6 IronMan
1980 October Vol 2, Num 7 Muscle Up
1981 Muscle Mag Annual
1981 January Num 22 Muscle Mag International
1981 August Vol 42, Num 8 Muscle and Fitness
1982 January Num 96 Muscle Training Illustrated
1983 Vol 1, Num 1 Body Building News
1983 January Health and Strength
1983 March Vol 42, Num 3 IronMan
1983 March Vol 7, Num 3 Muscle Digest
1983 March Num 34 Muscle Mag International
1983 April Vol 1, Num 1 Flex
1983 May Num 35 Muscle Mag International
1984 October Num 117 Muscle Training Illustrated
YEAH,HE WAS COMPLETE SHIT:
Chris Dickerson:
1966
Mr Atlantic Coast - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr Eastern America - AAU, Overall Winner
Junior Mr USA - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr USA - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr New York City - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr New York Metropolitan - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr New York State - AAU, Overall Winner
Mr North America - AAU, 2nd
1967
Mr America - AAU, 6th
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 4th
Mr California - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr America - AAU, 4th
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 5th
1968
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 3rd
Mr America - AAU, 3rd
Junior Mr America - AAU, 3rd
Mr USA - AAU, Winner
Mr USA - AAU, Most Muscular, 2nd
1969
Mr America - AAU, 2nd
Junior Mr America - AAU, 2nd
1970
Mr America - AAU, Winner
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Junior Mr America - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr Universe - NABBA, Short, 1st
1971
Mr Universe - NABBA, Short, 1st
1973
Pro Mr America - WBBG, Winner
Mr Universe - NABBA, Overall Winner
Mr Universe - NABBA, Short, 1st
1974
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 1st
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Overall Winner
1975
Universe - Pro - PBBA, 2nd
Pro Mr World - WBBG, 2nd
1976
Olympus - WBBG, 4th
Universe - Pro - NABBA, 3rd
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 2nd
1979
Canada Diamond Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Vancouver - IFBB, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 4th
1980
Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
Florida Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix California - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Louisiana - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Miami - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Pennsylvania - IFBB, 2nd
Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
1981
Grand Prix California - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Louisiana - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix New England - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Washington - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix World Cup - IFBB, 2nd
Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
Professional World Cup - IFBB, 2nd
1982
Olympia - IFBB, Winner
1984
Olympia - IFBB, 11th
1990
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 8th
1994
Olympia - Masters - IFBB, 4th
Magazines
1968 July Vol 27, Num 5 IronMan
1969 March Strength and Health
1969 September Vol 28, Num 6 IronMan
1970 January Strength and Health
1970 June Vol 7, Num 6 Muscular Development
1970 July Vol 29, Num 5 IronMan
1970 July Strength and Health
1971 October Vol 100, Num 10 Health and Strength
1971 November Vol 100, Num 11 Health and Strength
1972 May Vol 31, Num 4 IronMan
1972 June Vol 9, Num 6 Muscular Development
1972 September Num 34 Muscle Training Illustrated
1973 November Vol 102, Num 11 Health and Strength
1973 December Vol 102, Num 12 Health and Strength
1974 March Vol 103, Num 3 Health and Strength
1974 May Vol 33, Num 4 IronMan
1974 September Vol 103, Num 9 Health and Strength
1975 Vol 104, Num 1 Health and Strength
1975 Vol 104, Num 2 Health and Strength
1975 March Vol 12, Num 2 Muscular Development
1975 May Num 48 Muscle Training Illustrated
1980 February Vol 109, Num 2 Health and Strength
1980 July Vol 41, Num 7 Muscle and Fitness
1980 September Vol 39, Num 6 IronMan
1980 October Vol 2, Num 7 Muscle Up
1981 Muscle Mag Annual
1981 January Num 22 Muscle Mag International
1981 August Vol 42, Num 8 Muscle and Fitness
1982 January Num 96 Muscle Training Illustrated
1983 Vol 1, Num 1 Body Building News
1983 January Health and Strength
1983 March Vol 42, Num 3 IronMan
1983 March Vol 7, Num 3 Muscle Digest
1983 March Num 34 Muscle Mag International
1983 April Vol 1, Num 1 Flex
1983 May Num 35 Muscle Mag International
1984 October Num 117 Muscle Training Illustrated
I fear there will never be closure on this topic. Until then, Mentzer will not rest peacefully. Release the footage for Mike!
Whatever bro. How many facebook likes did he get?;D
It has been closed. Arnold won. That's it. But the methzer girlie fans just can't let it go. They argue the point that methzer should've won...but how? He came 5th. 5TH! It wasn't even close between Arnold and methzer. Arnold only had to beat Zane to win and he did that easily. methzer couldn't even beat Zane since he lost to him in the olympia the year before. How was methzer ever going to beat a superior bodybuilder like Arnold when he couldnt even beat Zane? The reality is he couldn't. It just wasn't going to happen.
It has been closed. Arnold won. That's it. But the methzer girlie fans just can't let it go. They argue the point that methzer should've won...but how? He came 5th. 5TH! It wasn't even close between Arnold and methzer. Arnold only had to beat Zane to win and he did that easily. methzer couldn't even beat Zane since he lost to him in the olympia the year before. How was methzer ever going to beat a superior bodybuilder like Arnold when he couldnt even beat Zane? The reality is he couldn't. It just wasn't going to happen.
I think you’re either trolling or missing the point. Take Mentzer completely out this mess. ( if you can) ;D And the fact that Arnold won and CBS never aired the contest is exactly why there’s controversy surrounding the whole show.
This whole idea that "volume" was Arnold's system, is pretty foolish. I mean "volume" has been every successful bodybuilders style with the few exceptions of Mike and Dorian. Mike was unhinged he had to create a rivalry with Arnold to generate interest in his own b.s.
"Arnold's system" = "Everyone else's system except for mine"
There really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.Great write up.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing as they didn't realise the contest goes on all day. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix" was conjured up by Coe and mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly, mentzer was never a contender. mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold had never entered. This whole Arnold vs mentzer thing was created years later as mike was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Classic case of revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote. Now, somehow he was better than Arnold which isn't true. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew mentzer existed most of the time. Arnold's only rivals were Sergio, Nubret and Ferrigno. mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. mike mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
mentzer came in bad shape. He had a deflated chest, undeveloped back, narrow shoulders, deformed traps, protruding gut, wide hips, fat ass, small arms with no peak along with poor posing. You are not going to win against superior bodybuilders with the look mentzer had in 1980. Very poor.
And another thing about mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was mentzer who had created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
Great write up.
There really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing as they didn't realise the contest goes on all day. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix" was conjured up by Coe and mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly, mentzer was never a contender. mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold had never entered. This whole Arnold vs mentzer thing was created years later as mike was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Classic case of revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote. Now, somehow he was better than Arnold which isn't true. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew mentzer existed most of the time. Arnold's only rivals were Sergio, Nubret and Ferrigno. mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. mike mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
mentzer came in bad shape. He had a deflated chest, undeveloped back, narrow shoulders, deformed traps, protruding gut, wide hips, fat ass, small arms with no peak along with poor posing. You are not going to win against superior bodybuilders with the look mentzer had in 1980. Very poor.
And another thing about mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was mentzer who had created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
Still responding to my own bullshit accounts.
I'm a Lonely INCEL
Yea this is spot on.
There really is no controversy. This ongoing myth really needs to die now. Controversial? Not really, big guys always have the advantage. Dorian over Ray and mostly Cutler over Dexter etc. Arnold was big and developed while the other competitors were tiny compared to him. Bigger is better in the real world.Hey dickless anyone who would call the 1980 Mr. Olympia liineup a bunch of B-Listers has no clue at all about bodybuilding.
First up. The story of CBS sports, which was covering the event, had supposedly mentzer pegged as the winner before the contest results were announced. After the contest, they pulled their crew and never aired the coverage and never covered the O again. Well that’s all a lie.
The reality is there was never any statements by CBS about a fix or anything at all. No footage was broadcast because the filming crew had run out of tape. That’s all it was. They never filmed the whole thing as they didn't realise the contest goes on all day. The story about CBS pulling because of a "fix" was conjured up by Coe and mentzer since they were bitter losers and wanted to discredited Arnold. The story is still being kept alive by fans of mentzer’s training philosphy who want to rewrite history, because what else do they have to hang on to? Nothing.
Secondly, mentzer was never a contender. mentzer still would have been in 4th place even if Arnold had never entered. This whole Arnold vs mentzer thing was created years later as mike was never a real threat onstage. He was a footnote and nothing more. Classic case of revisionist history. He became a contender years after the fact when he had a resurgence of popularity from his HIT training system. Back in 1980 he was just a footnote. Now, somehow he was better than Arnold which isn't true. People can’t seperate their need to embellish his brief competitive record because they like HIT. So they make it seem like Arnold and mentzer were rivals, when Arnold barely knew mentzer existed most of the time. Arnold's only rivals were Sergio, Nubret and Ferrigno. mentzer just wasn’t worth noting as competition and no one would remember him if he hadn’t become an author of HIT books later in life.
mentzer couldn’t even beat Zane or Dickerson and they were pretty small. HIT devotees want to deify their idol though so they won’t stop claiming he was the rightful winner despite the evidence. Ludicrous. mike mentzer places lower than he felt and spends the rest of his ‘career’ whining about it.
mentzer came in bad shape. He had a deflated chest, undeveloped back, narrow shoulders, deformed traps, protruding gut, wide hips, fat ass, small arms with no peak along with poor posing. You are not going to win against superior bodybuilders with the look mentzer had in 1980. Very poor.
And another thing about mentzer- his HIT is BS. Did he train like that? Nope. First he says train 4 days a week, then his HIT gets more minimal over the years so he can get some attention. Finally, how often did he advocate training a bodypart- once every 12 days or something? Just a pile of BS to generate money. Nothing more.
As for Arnold not being at his best is he didn’t need to be. He didn’t have to be at his best. Do you know why Arnold risked his legacy to compete one more time? Because it was a WEAK line-up. All the major contenders were gone like Sergio, Ferrigno and Nubret and all Arnold had to do was beat a bunch of B-Listers who were half his size. None of them could be a dominate Mr Olympia they were just keeping the seat warm until a guy like Haney showed up.
Zane beat mentzer at the 79 Olympia but both guys were pretty small, and in 1980 mentzer finished a distant 5th while Zane got 3rd. There were a lot of guys in the contest but they were all B-list or C-list in some cases so stacked doesn’t mean much at all just a lot of filler. Now if an A-list guy like Sergio had of competed Arnold may not of entered. Only Samir had the potential and drive but he finished 15th in 1980. So yeah full but weak line-up at this contest.
The big guys had moved on, and the second tier guys were left or do you really think a small guy like Dickerson could have beat Sergio? Nope. Between the Arnold and Haney years was the rise of the smaller, skinnier Olympians who put more emphasis on conditioning rather than mass.
Anyway Zane was way off, Dickerson was too small and Samir was a long way from achieving his potential so none them posed a significant threat to Arnold which is why he entered and won.
And finally, people tend to believe what other people tell them about the 1980 contest, that is until they get to see the actual evidence for themselves and realise it was really was much ado about nothing. For some people it can be quite a surprise to realise that the judging wasn’t some great scandalous betrayal of everything that was good and holy like mentzer constantly claimed in his articles up until death finally let him get over it. It’s funny how people always say how Arnold’s prestige affected the results, when all this “controversy” is due to mentzer’s constant crying about the result! It was mentzer who had created a hype around himself! He didn’t like Arnold’s training style, so he didn’t like Arnold. mike just could not stop acting like a little child, very bad sport.
Hey dickless anyone who would call the 1980 Mr. Olympia liineup a bunch of B-Listers has no clue at all about bodybuilding.
Every single contestant was/is a legend,both then and now.
YOU DUMB FUCK.
Not really. He still has Mentzer up his ass.
Assuming adamantly there’s only controversy if you think Mentzer (again Mentzer) should have won.
Only Platz and Columbu felt Arnold should have won. That’s freaking controversial if you ask me , And lately Platz seems to be changing his mind.
Oh well , too bad CBS ran out of tape at the “ hottest moment “ of the damn contest.
Still responding to your own bullshit accounts?You are a retard.
Lonely INCEL
He must think he has a better physique than all of them.According to my uncalculated calculations,I`d figure that he`s won exactly .......NOTHING!! ;D
I wonder what BB competitions he's won , is he a pro bodybuilder &
Olympia winner as he disparage's all those competing.
You are a retard.
You don’t even have a personality
Just a bunch of lonely accounts... zero personality
A fucking ROBOT
Hey dickless anyone who would call the 1980 Mr. Olympia liineup a bunch of B-Listers has no clue at all about bodybuilding.
Every single contestant was/is a legend,both then and now.
YOU DUMB FUCK.
He knows he has a better physique than me.
I do wonder what BB competitions i have won? Am I a pro bodybuilder &
Olympia winner as I disparage's all those competing?
:)Great pic,,mentzers legs look sick there..zane looks smallish but good nevertheless..
Great pic,,mentzers legs look sick there..zane looks smallish but good nevertheless..
Says a guy who has dutifully scanned and posted thousands of Bodybuilding pictures , daily, for years on end with nothing other than a smiley face as commentary.
Says a guy who has dutifully scanned and posted thousands of Bodybuilding pictures , daily, for years on end with nothing other than a smiley face as commentary.
I posted pics that are on Google you dummy
LOL...
"IM not a loser who spends decades of his life scanning bodybuilding pictures and posting them with a smiley face. I'm a loser who spends decades of his life googling bodybuilding pictures and posting them with a smiley face. Ha! Jokes on you Beakdoctor!"
Sounds like a hell of a life.
;D
:)
Dickerson smoking the entire competition in that shot.
Interesting.
Phaggit, you sob like a bitch on a bodybuilding website
Mentzer will always be more successful than you. Period.
You have 20 gimmick accounts. WOW
Mentzer has bodybuilding titles and he is world renowned.
Your rants are a testament to your wasted life
Arnold smoking the entire competition in that shot.
Interesting.
Dickerson smoking the entire competition in that shot.Roger Walker was hugely underrated.
Interesting.
Roger Walker was hugely underrated.
Little angry guy. Read what I had stated again. They were B listers and c listers dueto the fact none of them dominated the olympia. They were just keeping the seat warm for the big boys of the 80's.I`d be a nice guy and offer you a BBC sammich but I know you don`t eat bread.
I`d be a nice guy and offer you a BBC sammich but I know you don`t eat bread.
Wes, you're not the only one he is attacking. He's cross the line and is resorting to insulting people here. He's giving me digs too calling me lazy. Very weak attempt at insults. When you respond to his insults he says you are triggered. Just a weak comeback and very lazy one at that.Him and a few other new guys should just simply be banned.
Boyer Coe - Why the 1980 Mr. Olympia was not on TV.
Him and a few other new guys should just simply be banned.
I`m all for free speech and I`m glad that`s how Ron runs the board but these few dickheads contribute nothing of any value at all to the board.
We all joke on here,but these clowns are literally the jokes themselves.
I`d be a gay guy and offer you a BBC sammich but I know you don`t eat bread.
Wes, you arent the only one he is stating facts on. I've crossed the line and have resorted to making things up. Ive been called me lazy and that hurts. I'm very weak by letting people get to me with their insults. When I respond to insults (actually statement of facts) i get told I am triggered which is true ot else I wouldn't post this lying comment. I have a very a weak comeback so I have to make stuff up to feel better about my old, lazy self.😉
Hey Wes,
Yeah beackdoctor is a dickhead and his replies are so infantile, he sounds virtually retarded.
Royalty has been saying me, Abe G, and a few other guys are all the same amazing account responsible for RMJ. Which is an great accusation. I hope you guys realise that. I would sit here and talk shit to guys like you and oldfarttimer or any of the other retarded posters here.
My IQ is hovering somewhere around imbecile level. Anybody who's ever read my posts would know that I am a right jackass.
Me and a few other old guys should just simply be banned.
I`m all for free speech and I`m glad that`s how Ron runs the board but me and the old dickheads contribute nothing of any value at all to the board.
We all are jokes on here, but us clowns are literally the jokes themselves.
😉
Hey Wes,Dude of course I realize that you are you.
Yeah RMJ is a dickhead and his replies are so infantile, he sounds virtually retarded.
Royalty has been saying me, Abe G, and a few other guys are all the same gimmick account responsible for RMJ. Which is an absurd accusation. I hope you guys realize that. I wouldn't sit here and talk shit to guys like you or oldtimer or any of the other solid posters here.
RMJ's IQ is hovering somewhere around imbecile level. Anybody who's ever read my posts would know I have nothing to do with that jackass.
I love to blow homo's. Next time when I get triggered and throw a tantrum I will have to try harder. Nobody likes me here or my posts. I always end up getting triggered.
Little dude of course I realise that you are you.
"RMJ11" should just be awarded for having a great fact spewing account who show us up every time.
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:)Epic calves!
Chris D.
the most dense bodybuilder in fall 1980.
He gets way too much shit. I don't think he was as good as his record indicates. He's got dozens of victories and the Olympia. And I think Casey should've won 82. But he's not as bad as people make him out to be. He had weak biceps and a couple of muscle tears but he was complete and dense. He was also probably one of those guys who looked more impressive in person hence his impact on the judges.
Yours is too small and soft.
Good point. I'm more of a size queen.
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Yeah, we know, I'm a dumb shit.You're no daisy.
I'm no genius.
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Mike said that everyone was surprised when he raised his voice, that Arnold sat down.
Arnold sat down and his legs crossed... and avoided making eye contact.
:)Did anyone ever have better calves than Arnold?
Arnold said he was never going to get in a fight with mentzer, he was there to win a competition thats all. And what would they really be fighting over, mentzer couldn't handle arnolds words, sticks and stones!
Found a few more photos that I took in 1980. Here is a comparison that shows the top guys standing relaxed. An argument can be made thatMikeANYONE looks the best here. We have to remember that the judges were selected by Ben Weider and Paul Graham and there were problems with the judging process and the qualifications of some of the judges.
Found a few more photos that I took in 1980. Here is a comparison that shows the top guys standing relaxed. An argument can be made that Mike looks the best here. We have to remember that the judges were selected by Ben Weider and Paul Graham and there were problems with the judging process and the qualifications of some of the judges.
Mike looks the worst out of those 5 in that pic
Mike needed to carb up more, that’s for sure
Mike looks the worst out of those 5 in that pic
Nice crisp pictures Vince
Did anyone ever have better calves than Arnold?
I had an agreement with him, in writing, that I could make any copies of those photos or slides but I lost that agreement and Robert changed his mind
about what we agreed. I might get lucky and work out something with Robert. He was going to publish a book about the 1980 Mr Olympia but
so far nothing has been seen. It probably costs too much and who is going to buy them?
Yeah worth reaching out to him and maybe show him the pics you've touched up. Then tell him all you want to do is work on touching up the pictures and if he ever does his book you'd let him use the touched up pics. That way there's something in it for him too.
^^They didn't look bigger in the 80 Olympia. Arnold's looked huge in every photo.
CHRIS DICKERSON biggest calves ever...
:)Arnold looks absolutely majestic there. No homo.
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CHRIS DICKERSON biggest calves ever...
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In the interview above Arnold said he told no one he was entering when he decided to enter about 3 weeks out. That is not true. Paul Graham knew and he told me so about that time when I visited him at him home in Bondi Junction to pick up more tickets. I was told so we could sell more tickets. They were $35 each and our gym sold 200 tickets = $7,000. There was a big trophy for the gym that supported the contest the best but Paul said there was no time to award it! I yelled out after the contest about the trophy. I picked it up took off the plaque and we sent the trophy to Chris Dickerson in LA. John Doyle took it over. We had a meeting about the Olympia and several of us formed a new bodybuilding organization because we weren't happy about what happened with Paul running things. The magazines didn't report that Chris was awarded a trophy by the bodybuilders of Australia. Quite unprecedented I believe for the 2nd place winner to get such an award.
In that muscle digest interview it looks translated. I've never heard Arnold using the word "terrain" describing physique and who the hell was "vader"?
Danny Padilla was completely overlooked in 1980. I consider this the best physique on stage that year.
He didn't do to well in 80. Thought he was smooth for that show. Big but smooth. I thought Roy Callender was overlooked big time as you said. In some pics standing next to Mentzer, Dickerson and Zane it's obvious he's carrying a lot more muscle than those guys, especially in the chest and other than calves his legs were among the best at the show.
I edited another photo. Quality not good but result is acceptable. This was taken during the comparisons supposed to be doing a triceps pose. Clearly Arnold is also posing his biceps which shouldn't be allowed. He wasn't penalized for transgressions but was warned several times by Oscar State.
In that muscle digest interview it looks translated. I've never heard Arnold using the word "terrain" describing physique and who the hell was "vader"?
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LOL exactly my thoughts... maybe from a German interview ?
Btw, a lot of facts from Arnold in that interview .... 43 years ago the info surrounding contest was limited to Vader" publications , lol.
In an article I wrote about the contest I urged Danny to come back cut to pieces and that is exactly what he did in 81 and 82. They still didn't give it to him. The history of bodybuilding is a strange one. In the old days anyone who wanted to promote a contest would worry about getting an audience. The solution was all the local gym owners were invited to judge and they would bring competitors and families, etc. If judges voted for their own competitors their votes would be cancelled by the others. Seemed to work. Trouble was were those gym owners good judges?
The selection of judges in the IFBB isn't an open and transparent process. Seven judges are enough for if two scores are removed leaving 5 voting judges. Not a big deal. The NABBA Universe evolved to have many more judges. Something like 15 whichmis too many. That way the contestants feel a unfair process would occur. Politics doesn't does play a part in a bodybuilding contest.
Great shot Vince , goes to show you that every single photo from that contest proves there was no controversy... we see what we want to see and it's all pure speculation. We're just making shit up again.
Yawn...Arnold won. There is no controversy.
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Roger Walker should have been #2.
Mike was definitely in it to win it, no wonder so many methzer fan boys consider this the best physique on stage that year.
Reality is though he had a flat chest, narrow shoulders, small arms with no peak, undeveloped back with deformed traps, a fat ass, protruding gut and poor posing. So no, he had no chance of winning at all. He came 5th.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
Mike was definitely in it to win it, no wonder so many experts consider this the best physique on stage that year.HAHAHA. I think he was the only one who thought that.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
Mike was definitely in it to win it, no wonder so many experts consider this the best physique on stage that year.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
HAHAHA. I think he was the only one who thought that.
There's only one problem. THAT physique was never on any stage. That pic is altered/enhanced. For startets his chest wasn't that good, not at thick as this pic. His lats weren't that flared either and he only wish his condition looked like this. There's been filters or slight photoshop or both done to this pic.
no wonder so many methzer fan boys consider this the best physique on stage that year.
Hi gimmicks
I wouldn't call Padilla, Tinerino, Platz, Robinson,Duval ,Boyer,Walker ( Fan Boys) they might not have Mentzer as "the best physique on that stage" but they felt he wasn't better than Zane and Dickerson .... And not even Arnold ;D
There's only one problem. THAT physique was never on any stage. That pic is altered/enhanced. For startets his chest wasn't that good, not at thick as this pic. His lats weren't that flared either and he only wish his condition looked like this. There's been filters or slight photoshop or both done to this pic.
Mentzer looked great but he came in 5th. Not second or third. You can't just look at still pictures, you have to look at the video too. I think the placings were correct. Arnold at 80% was better than the rest even with the light legs. If anyone had a complaint it would have been Chris Dickerson who came in second in second in three Olympia's and was winning all the big pro shows like the various Grand Prix contests that he and Coe alternated winning. Zane was probably the most ripped he ever was but was down in weight from cutting his dick on a sharp edge on a pool chair tanning that collapsed. Coe was probably the best he ever was in that contest. The one that might have a true beef was Roy Callender. He is so black that if the lights weren't bright he would look washed out. Back then he really was placed lower than he should have in so many contests. Padilla was off.Great analysis. Boyer was his best ever but his ab genetics would always hold him back. Dickerson and Padilla were just too short to go up against Arnold. Zane's genital injury was brutal. Mentzer was 5th! 5th place which was a gift. Roger Walker got screwed.
Updates on Zane's cock? Did it make a full recovery?His wife stayed with him so I'm guessing yes.
Mike was definitely in it to win it, no wonder so many experts consider this the best physique on stage that year.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
I'm pretty sure that pic was in the 1979 Muscle Mag International annual issue.
from a 1979 Grand Prix.
i think that pic is exactly like in the old mag i have.
haven't looked at it in a decade but i may try to dig it up
I'm pretty sure that pic was in the 1979 Muscle Mag International annual issue.
from a 1979 Grand Prix.
i think that pic is exactly like in the old mag i have.
haven't looked at it in a decade but i may try to dig it up
there it is. looks like it was brightened up a bit but still very lean here.
81 annual?
there it is. looks like it was brightened up a bit but still very lean here.
81 annual?
Definitely not shopped. Maybe a filter. In any event, he was blocky and small there.
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RMJ11 has really gotten to me.
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Coked up Hollywood Arnold looking worried heading into battle.
Definitely not shopped. Maybe a filter. In any event, he looks great there.
Dorian after a year or so of drug training
Vs
Arnold who was bigger and betterARNOLD WINS
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^^Still hate his pecs.
Dickerson looked FAR better in that 1980 Mr. Olympia than when he won in 1982...
Still hate his pecs.very heathesque shape /structure to them
Great pictures. From these angles you can see how Dickerson could place ahead of Walker.
That's the problem - Dickinarse wanted to be behind Walker. ;D
very heathesque shape /structure to them
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(https://i.postimg.cc/R0VLSQv9/123140664-114019750499476-293986797545163687-n.jpg).
CBS is denying us the commentating stylings of Pearl and Nailon.
I now wish Bennett had done away with Alyssa Milano.
Mentzer is a genius
(https://i.postimg.cc/R0VLSQv9/123140664-114019750499476-293986797545163687-n.jpg).
CBS is denying us the commentating stylings of Pearl and Nailon.
Mentzer is a genius
(https://i.postimg.cc/R0VLSQv9/123140664-114019750499476-293986797545163687-n.jpg).WHATS ROWDY RODDY PIPER DOING THERE...
CBS is denying us the commentating stylings of Pearl and Nailon.
WHATS ROWDY RODDY PIPER DOING THERE...
He had small hands. Just your type.
(https://i.postimg.cc/R0VLSQv9/123140664-114019750499476-293986797545163687-n.jpg).
CBS is denying us the commentating stylings of Pearl and Nailon.
I now wish Bennett had done away with Alyssa Milano.Bro...
Flat as hell along with poor development :)
Different angle on the same night….
INCELS often think this way. It’s their revenge against women. 😃Go masturbate to some Mentzer pics.
Go masturbate to some Mentzer pics.
Mentzer is a genius
Humble ‘RMJ11’ Narcissist is a PhaggitDon't forget Bevo and AbrahamG. We are all one, like the godhead.
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methzer looked like hell 😂
CBS, if you’re reading this, RELEASE THE FOOTAGE!!!!!!
methzer Garbage
As the story goes, Arnold introduced himself to Gironda, saying, "My name is Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I am going to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived." Vince replied, "You look like a fat fuck to me!" Yet Arnold proved Gironda wrong. methzer was a fat fuck longer than when he was a bodybuilder.
As the story goes, Arnold introduced himself to Gironda, saying, "My name is Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I am going to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived." Vince replied, "You look like a fat fuck to me!"And then Arnold won 7 Olympias, 5 Universes and the Mr. World.
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Sorry to burst you Mentzer nuthuggers bubble but I believe the pic of methead mike doing "situps" was from 1978 Universe. NOT from the 1980 Olympia. The 1978 universe was a good contest. Mike did in fact deserved to win that year but just by a hair. Like I have stated Mike was a good bodybuilder but when compared to bigger guys he was tiny. By himself he did look good just like zane did. But on stage next to the bog boys they both vanished. All the little guys did. Hell even ferrigno at like 40 lbs more than Arnold in 74 looked skinny. 75 he ( ferrigno) was big but smooth. Nubret looked good but no legs. Arnold was the complete package back when that counted. Big, cut, proportionate, symmetry, tan, no tats, and stage presence ( counts for ALOT)
No royalty you are dead wrong. Geez. Just because someone says some of the same things doesn't mean he is the same. I have been on here for a long time and just recently started posting. Before it was a few times and that has been in like 20 years.. I am just tired of these people loving on a sack of shit like Mentzer. Yes he was a methead so some of us refer to him as such.
44 years later! Imagine that… I can’t think of anyone within the industry who’d miss the chance to see it, and bring new arguments to the table.
It will be the most watched bodybuilding footage in history.
Any updates on Disney plus and Paramount discussions regarding the deal?
There IS no unreleased footage. It's a myth.
Does anybody know anyone at CBS that can help us?
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=562516.0;attach=1466996;image)
Hope this helps.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHH Oct 4th 1980
They're already looking in to .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH
Does anybody know anyone at CBS that can help us?
The article is greatly exaggerated but Park was right.
:o ;D
Arnold won.Royalty will never recover, just like Mike.
In all fairness, I can understand why all these guys would be pissed.
But, on the other hand.....
After 75, Arnold goes on to promote the sport, brought all kinds of mainstream publicity to bodybuilding and all these guys, who would've remained total unknowns if not for Pumping Iron, Stay Hungry and the spotlight Arnold brought to the sport. In addition Arnold promoted the Olympia contest from 76- 79.
All these guys resented Arnold for his fame even though they're benefiting from it, they're still in his shadow. So what do they do? Zane insults Arnold on TV immediately after winning 79. Mentzer thinks it's a good idea to trash Arnold and his training style, shit talking to the magazines and anybody that will listen.... (Gee,that seems like a real smart strategy to win the show)
In all fairness I have a tiny dick
Ha! Arnold called Mike fat and Mike lost his marbles.
Vince called Arnold fat and he went on to be the greatest bodybuilder ever, a movie star, multi millionaire business man, a governor of california.
Mentzer tirned into a mental drug addict and scammed people selling courses telling them to train once a month. Figures Royalty is obsessed with him. Fucking idiot.
Ha! Arnold called Mike fat and Mike lost his marbles.Yep, Arnold owned Mike to the grave.
Vince called Arnold fat and he went on to be the greatest bodybuilder ever, a movie star, multi millionaire business man, a governor of california.
Mentzer tirned into a mental drug addict and scammed people selling courses telling them to train once a month. Figures Royalty is obsessed with him. Fucking idiot.
Yep, Arnold owned Mike to the grave.
Arnold owned me.Royalty Phaggit
Mike owns you from the grave.Sure he does. ::)Humble Phaggit
Arnold destroys meth head.
Pearl seen celebrating with Arnold shortly after the decision was made
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T: Hi Mike. What's going on in your life? Why don't you tell us what kind of things you've been doing, and how your career is going?
MM: There is only one valid theory of exercise science and most of what has been said has been said by people with no background in philosophy, logic, or science. For that matter, most of what has been said has been said by people who had no background in gardening or gynecology, either, which harkens me back to the 1980 Olympia Contest where history's ultimate non-Ayn Rand person, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, accepted the Olympia crown when every man, woman, and child in existence (I should know, I polled each of them independently, except for a contentious individual in Fresno who refuses to accept my calls) believes I should have been the winner. We may be able to send a man to the moon, but when it comes to recognizing the rightful winner of the 1980 Olympiad, mankind is surely arrested in its development.
T: Uhh, okay?great. Listen, a lot of people are still interested in heavy-duty training and this concept of "one set to failure." For those readers who weren't around in the seventies, could you please clarify this interesting and provocative training theory?
MM: Back in 1980, just before the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest, I was in phenomenal shape; I was the romantic and spiritual ideal of any self-actualized human being. Do you, perchance, remember that sonnet written by Karen Carpenter?who, incidentally, was a classic overtrainer?where she sang, "On the day that you were born, the angels got together and decided to create a dream come true, so they sprinkled moon dust in your hair, and la-de-da-de-da-da-da-da-da?" Well, I was that individual on whom the angels sprinkled their precious extra-terrestrial dust! I had trained with the ultra high intensity of a mad bull who had just heard his mentor, Ayn Rand, verbally attacked by the other bulls in the pen and various other farm animals in general. I had, in short, trained to failure!
T: Mike, you seem to be rather obsessed with this 1980 Olympia?
MM: One set! One set no matter what! I once had relations with a woman. One pelvic thrust! That's all. She refused to have an orgasm, but that was because of her own physical and intellectual limitations. I once was fed a turkey leg at Thanksgiving. I inserted the whole leg?which clearly came from a fowl who was a chronic overtrainer?into my mouth, chewed once, and swallowed. Now, this was before I had mastered the "one set to failure" concept, and the leg lodged in my throat and was expelled forcefully only after my brother Ray exerted a forceful Heimlich maneuver. No matter that the hurling fowl leg shattered most of dinner host Joe Weider's collection of fine china, the experience only reinforced my own ideas about the validity of heavy duty training.
T: Why don't we talk some other time, okay? I really have to go service the laser printer?
MM: Look, I'll prove it to you: Einstein proved the theory of relativity, correct? Well, then, ipso facto, if my sister has a house in Albany with a couple of infants?who happen to habitually overtrain, mind you?and she refuses to lend her brother any money even though he promised to pay her back once the world recognizes him as being its true intellectual leader, and this brother was robbed of the 1980 Olympia Contest, it becomes crystal clear, right? Now, given that the vast majority of bodybuilders are intellectually self-arrested, you couldn't possibly understand that, so don't bother getting contentious with me. Now, we can build a toaster that toasts bread until it's the color of Halle Barry's firm curvilinear backside, so why can't we understand that there's only one valid theory of training?
T: Mike, gotta' go. Really. I'm needed back on the planet Earth.
MM: Yes, it's true that I admire Ayn Rand, but I am slightly discouraged that she doesn't answer my mail or return my calls. Yes, she's been dead about sixteen years, but that seems to me to be a poor excuse for ignoring someone who is her intellectual equivalent. My biceps are considerably larger too, but I suspect that she, despite her inestimable intelligence, was a chronic overtrainer. Yes, yes, we may be able to build one of those funny little devices that gives a man a shock when you shake his hand, but it's apparent that mankind isn't ready to accept heavy duty training yet. Back in Sydney, in 1980, they also weren't ready to accept that man is a heroic being whose highest moral purpose is the achievement of his own happiness, whose noblest activity is productive achievement, and whose only absolute is reason, either. For that reason, I will not rest until I short-sheet the beds of all the judges involved in that reprehensible decision.
T: Uhh, thanks for your time Mike! Gotta' run. Really. Thanks.
If anything Arnold got into shape pretty quick to his credit and by then modern conditioning had progressed past his last mro win,other than his legs being so so ,only his chest his awesome side chest actually was down too but in these last pics you can see his delts were more pronounced and arms looked good as well,he looke more balanced that pre 80 ,where he was all chest …his rear db bi pose looked great.
Who's owning who ?
Mentzer wins the quads, abs, calves, biceps and forearms
Arnold has zero triceps
Mentzer might be winning that shot... Arnold is leaning way back to far.
In no way does Mike win in this shot. Mike's abdominal wall is protruded and surpasses his flat chest, clearly destroying any semblance to symmetry
Meth head mentzer Olympia record stands at ZERO WINS.
He was a hell of a pill popping, piss drinking, running naked through the streets nut job though. Also the fat hand with the stubby fingers is indicative to an individual with a small brain and short penis. Seek help
I'm laughing at the idiots that buy into the HIT culture. Like some religious fanatics with Methzner as their deity. Show us the HIT Champs. Mike Meltzer died at a mere 49years of age due to a small weak mind. A shame as had he sought help he may have been able to be a productive genius.
Arnold definitely had bigger arms and shoulders
Arnold wins the quads, abs, calves, biceps and forearms
meth head had zero triceps
Arnold is winning in that shot... meth head is leaning way back too far.
Arnold not only won the pose but he won the olympia for the 7th time.
I'm still sobbing like a bitch 😂
Arnold won
Skinny arms
Wide waist
Flat upper pecs
Cocaine in his system
Arnold is king, good looks, height, charisma and a true European
Even king Ronnie said Arnold is the best ever
Mentzer was the true drug addict, his last years was an embarrassment, poor, broke, and died with nothing but a pack of cigarettes in his pocket
You have a small cock
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Small handed Phaggit
Skinny arms
Wide waist
Flat upper pecs
Meth in his system
I have a small cock
Skinny arms
Wide waist
Flat upper pecs
Cocaine in his system
Afterwards Shawn said that he thought that he was going to “make history” at the 1991 Olympia
Then when Haney took his shirt of backstage... Shawn realized that he was going to “witness history being made”.... because Haney was 100%, lights out, game over, untouchable. 8th Sandow.
Just before he died, Mentzer said this very thing about Arnold in 1980. I think these were his last words ... P.I.P.
Mentzer is a social construct for retards to have someone to make them feel normal. Unfortunately, they're still painfully retarded for the rest of us to have to deal with.:D
Mentzer is a social construct for retards to have someone to make them feel normal. Unfortunately, they're still painfully retarded for the rest of us to have to deal with.
Worst rear double bicep ever?
I'm a coward
Best rear double bicep ever? Most definitely.
Looks like Arnold to a big step forward... he used tricks like that when he was out of shape:D
Roy is looking down at Arnold’s feet... Roy noticed that he stepped past the line.
Looks like methzer took a step forward... he used tricks like that when he was out of shape
Still lost....
Looks like Arnold took a big step forward... he used tricks like that when he was out of shapeArnold was a master strategist while Mentzer was a masturbator.
Roy is looking down at Arnold’s feet... Roy noticed that he stepped past the line.
Looks like Arnold took a big step forward... he used tricks like that when he was out of shape
Roy is looking down at Arnold’s feet... Roy noticed that he stepped past the line.
Nobody reads Royalty's posts because he has a fat belly and chugs urine by the jar.
Talk about instant response!
Royalty responds instantly to his own posts.
Royalty was much better when he just shut the fuck up and posted bodybuilding pictures. Now he has way too much interest in getbiggers pictures (and hands too, wtf? Is that like a foot fetish but for man hands?)
Look at Mike's distorted flat chest with extended abdominal wall literally flush to his chest.Yep, he looked terrible in that contest. 5th was a gift.
Samir said it best”Somebody needs to get this washed up meth-head off of the stage”
At the end of the day when you look up the standings of the 1980 Olympia, the winner is ARNOLD
Mentzer is 4th place
Nothing will ever change that outcome
At the end of the day when you look up the standings of the 1980 Olympia, the winner is ARNOLD
Mentzer is 4th place
Nothing will ever change that outcome
Mentzer hoisting the Sandow statue in his "DREAMS" after defeating Arnold at the 1980 Olympia
Arnold won
Highlights of the 1980 Olympia:
Arnold cheated by stepping over the line, Arnold was demolished on the side chest pose by Mentzer, Arnold had the worst rear double bicep pose in history, Mentzer intimidated Arnold backstage, and Arnold was high on cocaine during the entire contest.
Netflix did not consider Arnold to be the winner in 1980.
Highlights of the 1980 Olympia:
Arnold cheated by stepping over the line, Arnold was demolished on the side chest pose by Mentzer, Arnold had the worst rear double bicep pose in history, Mentzer intimidated Arnold backstage, and Arnold was high on cocaine during the entire contest.
Netflix did not consider Arnold to be the winner in 1980.
Old School Labs stole Roger Callard's image and they made millions 💲
▫️ it was confirmed as Roger Callard. Not methzer.
Lets discuss placings 2,3 and 4.Yep, Walker had a much better argument for a higher placing than Mike.
It's fairly unanimous that Coe was better than mentzer
Pretty clear that an anemic Zane is light years ahead of mentzer.
I never saw Dickerson as being all that great but even still I give him more credit than most. Here I think Dickerson has better legs than mentzer by a slim margin. Both had odd abs but Illgive the edge to mike. Neither had a great chest but Chris had more muscle in his chest but it was torn. Though in 1980 chris's chest was still symmetrical. Mentzer had good chest shape but was flat in 80. Ill say chest is even. Arms go to mike. Shoulders are also close. Chris's back was miles ahead of mike. So in 1980 Dickerson gets the nod over mike too.
Yep. Mike was a deserving 5th. My guess is walker and Callender deserved to place higher than mike.
Anyway,ehhh just no....
Coe > mentzer
Zane > mentzer
Dickerson > mentzer
Callender > mentzer
Walker (only 80) > mentzer
Tinnerino (80) > mentzer
Viator 》》》mentzer
Beakdoctor and all gimmick accounts herein and herein contained, et cetera, et cetera...Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum,et cetera, et cetera...Memo bis punitor delicatum. Is much much GREATER THAN Royal gobstopper. It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal.
ehhh just yes....
And don't forget methtzer was the runner up and predicted by nobody to win as previous year he got second to Frank Zane. He won the heavy weight, which doesn't mean anything, but lost big time to Zane.
The imperfect 300 score Physique!
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ehhh just no....
And don't forget Mentzer was the runner up and predicted by many(most) to win as previous year he got second to Frank Zane. He won the heavy weight but lost the overall to Zane.
The Perfect 300 score Physique!
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OUCH... small wonder meth head lost to Arnold, Dickerson, Zane, Coe.
This is the odd part of this whole discussion.
The Hittites- "80 was bogus. Mentzer should have won blah blah blah judge were corrupt, all Arnolds friends blah blahblah..."
Then there is considerable debate between the Arnold camp and the Mentzer camp.
The Hittites inevitably point to Mentzers greatness by pointing out that judges awarded him a perfect score.
So when Mike loses it's because the judges are all corrupt and in Arnolds back pocket...when mike wins with a perfect score it's indisputable proof of his greatness. There's suddenly no mention of the judging???
I agree: Mike looked great at the USA vs. The World (thats where the pic is from. He actually looked less sharp when he got the perfect score at the universe)
I also agree: Arnold won in 80 and Mike was 5th.
Can't have it both ways.....well you can but its just hypocritical and diminishes your credibility.
ehhh just no....
John Little trying so hard to revise history again.
Arnold is genetically superior
"So when Mike loses it's because the judges are all corrupt and in Arnolds back pocket...when mike wins with a perfect score it's indisputable proof of his greatness. There's suddenly no mention of the judging???"
This is the odd part of this whole discussion.Great point about the judging.
The Hittites- "80 was bogus. Mentzer should have won blah blah blah judge were corrupt, all Arnolds friends blah blahblah..."
Then there is considerable debate between the Arnold camp and the Mentzer camp.
The Hittites inevitably point to Mentzers greatness by pointing out that judges awarded him a perfect score.
So when Mike loses it's because the judges are all corrupt and in Arnolds back pocket...when mike wins with a perfect score it's indisputable proof of his greatness. There's suddenly no mention of the judging???
I agree: Mike looked great at the USA vs. The World (thats where the pic is from. He actually looked less sharp when he got the perfect score at the universe)
I also agree: Arnold won in 80 and Mike was 5th.
Can't have it both ways.....well you can but its just hypocritical and diminishes your credibility.
Arnold got smoked by Mentzer
Arnold’s legs were trash
Arnold got smoked by Mentzer
Arnold Mr Olympia 7 times
Mike Menthol Mr Olympia 0 (zero) times
These are historical facts that cannot be denied
History revionist with shitty side by side photos
Take a look at the overlays of Arnold with Mike
Mike is absolutely a manlet dwarf on all fronts compared to an 75% Arnold
Menthol never stood a chance
Mentzer had a fat belly and blew the 79 olympioa
Mentzer blew his temper and lost the 80 olympia
Mentzer blew his sanity and lost his mind
Mentzer blew his dope dealer in exchange for methamphetamine.
Mentzer blew his health and died alone
The only person who offered to come to his aid was Arnold
The bitter irony of it blew Mentzers will to live
Rotalty begs for more beakdoctor pictures so he can blow himself....
...Creepy fuck emulating his hero.
Hi RMJ11
Unbelievable yet true, you are actually dumber than your posts
It's actually fairly obvious how easily Arnold's winning these comparisons. He had the overwhelming size and just enough conditioning.Yep, he was wayyy better. Mentzer looked like a tiny tit next to the Austrian Oak.
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Mentzer kicked everyone’s ass in 1980.
Mentzer kicked everyone’s ass in 1980.:D Sure he did. All except the top 4.
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER overpowered the line-up and he humiliated Mike Menthol
Unfortunately, due to a freak accident involving a dirty syringe and a lawn chair, Lunsfords armpits explode. Derek calls big Ramy for advice. He says: Mamdoh, you once won the Olympia with pits in your thighs, do you think I can win with no pits at all? Big Ramy shrewdly replies "Matt Damon! Jerka jerka Muhammad jihad jerka!"
Rotflmao!
That's damned funny :)
Mentzer overpowered the line-up and he humiliated Schwarzenegger.Why did he quit? Arnold went on to make millions of dollars, become a Hollywood superstar and governor of California. Mike went crazy, was institutionalized and later became an alcoholic, chain smoking personal trainer.
Actually it’s not funny
Arnold’s 17” arms were no match for Mentzer’s 22” Winchester’s
(And Arnold’s bitch ass was closer to the camera too)
Roy watched Arnold become a bitch as he desperately stepped way ahead of the line.
Roy was noticing Arnold's huge Germanic cock and was aghast at how much larger and better the Austrians arms where over his own African genes
Arnold has a cock?
Mentzer had better genetics than Arnold.He sure didn't do anything with them.
He sure didn't do anything with them.
Mike menzter never won the Olympia get over it. Also..........HIT sucks...Love that website. His articles create meltdowns.
https://nattyornot.com/mike-mentzers-heavy-duty-workout-sucks-naturals/
Love that website. His articles create meltdowns.
My is this Royalty thing so in love with methead mike? I know he says all this shit just to get people to argue. But why? Can anyone explain to me why people like Royalty and dj and a few others always want to do that? It makes no sense. I don't pay much attention to this character but I have noticed he will try to argue always. Constantly saying negative things hoping someone will take the bait. But Why?
Ever notice people will argue even when they are dead wrong thinking if they say enough people will believe them ( like democrats do) . I learned a long time ago to not argue unless I am 100% right. I don't want to look stupid like these clowns. Even when I am right and try to prove I am right I don't keep trying for long because your never gonna fix stupid so why should I keep trying? My sisters always accuse me of being a "no it all". I say nope not even close. I just don't argue unless I am right.
Like saying mentzer beat Arnold . Everyone knows who knows real bodybuilding Arnold was in fact better than all them. It was closer than Arnold was used to for sure. He was not as dominate . So if you compare 1980 version to previous versions he didn't look as good. No doubt about it. BUT he was still better than everyone else. Mentzer was given a gift that day as he was in all the other contests too. Case closed. Move on from 1980. It is over Arnold won became what he is today and Methead became what he is today. A corpse. I can see his treatment in hell right now. Telling the devil to only burn him a little bit each week because he doesnt want to "over burn".
My is this Royalty thing so in love with methead mike? I know he says all this shit just to get people to argue. But why? Can anyone explain to me why people like Royalty and dj and a few others always want to do that? It makes no sense. I don't pay much attention to this character but I have noticed he will try to argue always. Constantly saying negative things hoping someone will take the bait. But Why?
Ever notice people will argue even when they are dead wrong thinking if they say enough people will believe them ( like democrats do) . I learned a long time ago to not argue unless I am 100% right. I don't want to look stupid like these clowns. Even when I am right and try to prove I am right I don't keep trying for long because your never gonna fix stupid so why should I keep trying? My sisters always accuse me of being a "no it all". I say nope not even close. I just don't argue unless I am right.
Like saying mentzer beat Arnold . Everyone knows who knows real bodybuilding Arnold was in fact better than all them. It was closer than Arnold was used to for sure. He was not as dominate . So if you compare 1980 version to previous versions he didn't look as good. No doubt about it. BUT he was still better than everyone else. Mentzer was given a gift that day as he was in all the other contests too. Case closed. Move on from 1980. It is over Arnold won became what he is today and Methead became what he is today. A corpse. I can see his treatment in hell right now. Telling the devil to only burn him a little bit each week because he doesnt want to "over burn".
Your correct about his need for baiting people into an argument. I've replied more times to his lunacy than I should have. I'm going to let him continue on. Hopefully others will no longer take the bait and he will see how strange his posts have become.
Mike was a better bodybuilder than any of us on the boards could aspire to. Yet the obsession with the 1980 is a sad pathetic waste of time. Even if Arnold cheated that day even if .Ike was better yet still lost. To what avail is Royalty and others obsession with discussing this any further. History will always show Arnold as the winner. Get over it move on find something positive to round out your day. We all know how Mike spiraled into depression ND drug abuse due to this very behavior.
Arnold won and was always going to
My last response to you regarding your obsession with Mike Mentzer.
You where literally just suspended for spamming the entire board for weeks on end with all things Mentzer. Your suspension ends and here you are again.....back at it.
You think I am a fake account or post as someone else, wrong again. Mods know this. Get over your Mentzer addiction. Move on to something useful and constructive or you will wind up miserable like Mike Mentzer became. Go outside get some fresh air find something else to do than bait people into these silly arguments. I just admitted was taking your bait prior. I was only responding to your ridiculous assements of theb1980. No longer I am done. I've been on this board since 2005 and I have a fairly low post count. You've been hammering out your life on this board maybe you need a break
My last response to you regarding your obsession with Mike Mentzer.
You where literally just suspended for spamming the entire board for weeks on end with all things Mentzer. Your suspension ends and here you are again.....back at it.
You think I am a fake account or post as someone else, wrong again. Mods know this. Get over your Mentzer addiction. Move on to something useful and constructive or you will wind up miserable like Mike Mentzer became. Go outside get some fresh air find something else to do than bait people into these silly arguments. I just admitted was taking your bait prior. I was only responding to your ridiculous assements of theb1980. No longer I am done. I've been on this board since 2004 and I have a fairly low post count. You've been hammering out your life on this board maybe you need a break
Good points. Royalty is a Royal asshole.Royal Asshat is just trolling. He doesn't believe any of it.
You're right: to what end does he bring this up? Nothing is ever going to change the result. For arguments sake, even if Arnold wete to give the title back and renounce his claim; Chris Dickerson would then be the winner.
Is it validation? He's just going to go on arguing with people to try and make them agree, one by one? Or what?
Also continuously bringing it up invites the criticism of Mentzer. Ex: if he constantly says Arnold was a coke head and imply he did G4P to advance his career, it's just too easy to bring up Mike's actual homosexuality and drug abuse... but it's really sad and gross. People who actually knew Mike when he was younger say he was a really good person. Let the man rest in peace. Stop obsessing over it.
Mentzer came in fifth, not fourth, not third or second. Arnold at 80% was still the winner from my conclusion watching the tapes and not still pictures. Yes, in this subjective sport nothing is a mathematical certainty picking a winner. If Arnold came in his 1974 or 1975 version there would be zero discussion.
Mentzer definitely won in ‘80:D Won 5th place and that was a gift.
The Record books will forever state that Arnold won his 7th Mr Olympia title.Just like Biden "won" the election.
Who did this documentary ?John Little. He was pretty close friend to Mike.
Actually did a great job.....
Was it a Getbigger ?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH Oct. 4th 1980
It was an easy win for MentzerDid Mike make enough from his 5th place finish to buy an airline ticket back to America?
Did Mike make enough from his 5th place finish to buy an airline ticket back to America?
How will you feel when your tiny “old lady hands” are in the center of the Getbig Christmas card? 😂
Just like Biden "won" the election.
Hard to criticize Mike's physique in 1980. The whole show was a travesty.
I wrote an article about the judging at that contest but no magazine would publish it. I finally gave it to Mike at Gold's Gym in 1991.
I remember after the contest that it was hard to know where to place Arnold. Sergio and Arnold dominated bodybuilding from 1967 until the late seventies.
The judging process with those silly rounds contributed to the controversy. NABBA had already developed an excellent process but Ben Weider tried to
impress the Olympic Games officials by having a system similar to ice skating, gymnastics and diving.
What should have happened in 1980 was that after the first competitor was scored in each round the judges committee would meet and give the competitor a corrected score.
For example, if the competitor scored 20 out of 20 it would be adjusted to a lower score to enable a higher score if another competitor surpassed that first competitor. They didn't
do this so what happened was that a judge would give several competitors the same maximum score. That isn't separating the competitors.
The round should have been a guide to select the finalists. Once selected then comparisons would be made and all the finalists placed first, second, third, and so on.
The ugly truth is the selection of judges shouldn't be the responsibility of the promoter. Definite no, no. A committee should select the judges and no one else.
1980 saw Paul Graham promote the Olympia and his former house mate, Arnold, entered secretly. That isn't fair to the others who competed. No wonder so many are pissed off,
and rightly so.
D
This is exactly why Mr.O 1980 will forever be the most controversial contest in history
WoooooSHHHHHHHH October 4th 1980
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It's a shame these pics are so blury.
I bet Arnold has all those high quality prints locked somewhere .
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Write yourself a note to check on that later... you can use one of your Post-It notes 😂
You still can see Arnold's striations in chest! blury pics and all that Austrian dude was amazing that year ,And Mike's smooth chest with tiny arms.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Sydney here we go ....next exit: NETFLIX
Days following the 1980 Olympia most people felt Dickerson should have won it ... Mike wasn't even in the conversation.
But as time went on (years) and people started to accept the reality that Menzter was gone for good .... people slowly started to think/say Mentzer was indeed the real winner.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHH OCT.4th.1980
Days following the 1980 Olympia most people felt Dickerson should have won it ... Mike wasn't even in the conversation.Mentzer cried about it for 20+ years and people started to "remember" what never actually took place. Good example of the Mandela Effect.
But as time went on (years) and people started to accept the reality that Menzter was gone for good .... people slowly started to think/say Mentzer was indeed the real winner.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHH OCT.4th.1980
In this interview Roger Walker indicates that Arnold had a homosexual relationship with the promoter of the 1980 Olympia.
Arnold was then given 1st place (but he deserved to place 9th)
Go to 52:30
Arnold vs. Mike Mentzer in a Super Posedown….who wins?
From the Pics & videos Neither of them was worthy of winning,
Hell how did DickInArse get 2nd.
Arnold won - Zane 2nd.
Who is more lean/balanced?
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Boyer Coe said that Arnold wasn’t in the top 6.They were a little biased.
Roger Walker said that Arnold wasn’t in the top 8.
Boyer Coe said that Arnold wasn’t in the top 6.
Roger Walker said that Arnold wasn’t in the top 8.
They were a little biased.
Roger Walker Got carried away being the " crowd favorite the entire show " but then again Roger being Australian and the contest being held in Australia? ......He was the only one who matched or surpassed Arnold in size. Had in come in a little tighter he could have won. I think he was ripped off at finishing 6th.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CBS just do it !
He was the only one who matched or surpassed Arnold in size. Had in come in a little tighter he could have won. I think he was ripped off at finishing 6th.
Odd none of them has ever mentioned it
You weren’t there fan-boy.
All the competitors who competed that day knew that Arnold had a gay sex with the promoter.
Arnold did not deserve to be in the top 6. But he was “given” 1st place.
Odd none of them has ever mentioned it
Just look at the people who protested by skipping the 1981 Mr Olympia: Zane, Beckles, Coe, Mentzer.Arnold also posed naked for schmoes & he was involved with Paul Graham this is pretty much known but like some things just not spoken about.
The word was out about Arnold and his gay relationship with the promoter.
You weren’t there fan-boy.
All the competitors who competed that day knew that Arnold had a gay sex with the promoter.
Arnold did not deserve to be in the top 6. But he was “given” 1st place.
Arnold´s ego took control of his emotions & thus he had to be No1 so i think there was some activity behind the scenes.
Bodybuilding is a narcissistic, obsessive compulsive activity I don't know anyone expecting to become a millionaire from it. Lol.
However, By 1980 Arnold was already Ritch and had 6 MrO tittles ..... to think he had to suck some promoters dick to win another show at that point is just plain stupid ....
Especially when you had current top competitors sucking D for free across the IFBB, ;D
WoooSHHHHHHHHHH Oct.4th 1980
I didn't know you promoted that show.
You weren’t there fan-boy.
All the competitors who competed that day knew that Arnold had a gay sex with the promoter.
Arnold did not deserve to be in the top 6. But he was “given” 1st place.
If it was down to dick sucking then wouldnt Dickerson have been a sure thing?
You weren’t there fan-boy.
All the competitors who competed that day knew that Arnold had a gay sex with the promoter.
Arnold did not deserve to be in the top 6. But he was “given” 1st place.
Who is more lean/balanced?
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHh
Arnold -- He won.
From the videos & pics Deservedly so.
Those who were there may say different.
Mentzer should of placed higher.
As for Dickerson Getting 2nd.!!
Even Mentzer said he wouldn't be upset if Dickerson won. Dickerson was coming in first or second in every contest he entered in 78,79 and 80.
The simple fact Arnold was 6 ft plus, he wins automatically
The simple fact Arnold was 6 ft plus, he wins automaticallyCertainly didn't hurt.
Certainly didn't hurt.
Only the ass fucking hurt that day
Why can’t Pet Shop Boys see that that a Arnold had fat rolls and tiny legs?Yes, there were at least four others should have won instead of Arnold (and Mentzer)
It is obvious to me the he has never attended a bodybuilding show.
But even from his pics that he just posted, anyone can see that Arnold was not the winner
Yes, there were at least four others should have won instead of Arnold (and Mentzer)
;DLooks awesome there. That outside pic may be his best ever. Amazing!
In the CBS footage Arnold looks even bigger and crispier than those funky low resolution VHS to YouTube clips you can get your hands on.It was right before the beginning of his epic Hollywood run. To the other competitors it was the most memorable event of their lives going up against Arnold. To him it was an afterthought.
Goes to show you Arnold has not interest in proving a point. And has erased this 44 year old chapter from his like .
FACT: All the top pro’s in attendance in Sydney, including several Mr Olympia winners said that Arnold was not in the top 5
Why can’t Pet Shop Boys see that that a Arnold had fat rolls and tiny legs?
It is obvious to me the he has never attended a bodybuilding show.
But even from his pics that he just posted, anyone can see that Arnold was not the winner
I agree, Arnold sucks in those pictures by himself (specially compared with his 1974 shape )for a taller guy tinerino looks great as well...cool/different structure look to him.
However, it is when he is compared to the rest of line up that he looks like the winner....
here things go south to everyone next to Arnold even him being the further from camera
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WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I agree, Arnold sucks in those pictures by himself (specially compared with his 1974 shape )
However, it is when he is compared to the rest of line up that he looks like the winner....
here things go south to everyone next to Arnold even him being the further from camera
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WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
It is absolutely amazing to see ‘Army of One’ (Danimal77) logging in and out of all of his accounts, still trying to come to terms with this SHAM contest.But the judges (the only ones that count) said Arnold won. Get over it.
1980 was an an embarrassment for bodybuilding. And Arnold had sex with a man in order to “win”.
Yeah Arnold you ‘won’. You won the “Gay for Pay” medal of valor 🙄
Samir said that Arnold lost.
Coe that said Arnold lost.
Zane said that Arnold lost.
Roger Walker said that Arnold lost.
Ben Weider said that Arnold was doing cocaine all weekend.
PS: Roger Walker said that he doubts that Paul Graham even gave Arnold the 1st place check.
But the judges (the only ones that count) said Arnold won. Get over it.
The judging panel was altered by Paul Graham (the promoter and Arnold’s “friend”).
Zane himself said that Arnold had the judges in his pocket. (More Gay for Pay)
Yeah Zane was standing next to Arnold on stage then seeing Franco oiling Arnold back stage ..... not exactly the same as the judges seeing you POSE right in front ....
Have you seen Zane standing next to Arnold any pose ? I mean what are we even debating here?
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh 10.4.80
Who cares what Zane said?
The judging panel was altered by Paul Graham (the promoter and Arnold’s “friend”).
Zane himself said that Arnold had the judges in his pocket. (More Gay for Pay)
What a "Royal" dumbfuck! LOL.:D
Accusing someone of trying to 'come to terms' with the 80 Olympia. LOL. Arnold won, you stupid shit. No one has to come to terms with it. Only you mentzer meat gazers are struggling to cope 44 years later. What a fucking loser.
Let mike rest already, everytime you bring this shit up it reminds everyone that mike not only lost but didn't even come close to winning.
It is absolutely amazing to see ‘Army of One’ (Danimal77) logging in and out of all of his accounts, still trying to come to terms with this SHAM contest.
1980 was an an embarrassment for bodybuilding. And Arnold had sex with a man in order to “win”.
Yeah Arnold you ‘won’. You won the “Gay for Pay” medal of valor 🙄
Samir said that Arnold lost.
Coe said that Arnold lost.
Zane said that Arnold lost.
Roger Walker said that Arnold lost.
Ben Weider said that Arnold was doing cocaine all weekend.
PS: Roger Walker said that he doubts that Paul Graham even gave Arnold the 1st place check.
PPS:
The backstage cleaning lady said Arnold was a clear winner
What a "Royal" dumbfuck! LOL.
Accusing someone of trying to 'come to terms' with the 80 Olympia. LOL. Arnold won, you stupid shit. No one has to come to terms with it. Only you mentzer meat gazers are struggling to cope 44 years later. What a fucking loser.
Let mike rest already, everytime you bring this shit up it reminds everyone that mike not only lost but didn't even come close to winning.
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Nice, arnold in the background as wide as the guys stood infront.A giant among midgets.
Nice, arnold in the background as wide as the guys stood infront.
A giant among midgets.
Arnold: "I am Arnold Schwarzenegger, 1980 Mr Olympia”
Vince Giranda: "You just look like a fat f*ck to me"
A list of facts: Arnold won 7 Olympias, was the governor of the largest state and made millions as a box office superstar.
A list of facts:
Arnold had skinny legs.
Arnold was a glazed donut.
Samir said that Arnold looked terrible
Coe said that Arnold looked terrible
Ben Weider said that Arnold was doing lines of cocaine backstage
Zane said that Arnold got booed off the stage
Roger Walker said that Arnold had sex with the promoter.
Netflix acted as is Arnold never competed in 1980.
A boring, rejected, lonely INCEL named “Humble Narcissist” fell in love with Arnold after seeing ‘Commando’ and is completely blind to the reality of bodybuilding.
A list of facts: Arnold won 7 Olympias, was the governor of the largest state and made millions as a box office superstar.
A retard named Royalty endlessly cries about Arnold while whacking off to Mentzer photos.
A list of facts: Arnold won 7 Olympias, was the governor of the largest state and made millions as a box office superstar.
A retard named Royalty endlessly cries about Arnold while whacking off to Mentzer photos.
There is is no “crying”.
Arnold won 6 Olympia’s.
Arnold fucked a man in 1980 and he got booed of off the Olympia stage.
End of story.
Mentzer got fucked by several men and got fifth .... ;D
So there you have it , you and your endless fixation with GAY SEX.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHH YMCA BITCHES
40+ Yrs of Loser's Crying 😢😢😢😢😢 & here's to many many more 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Oh & Arnold Won - 👊🏻 👍🏻 😊
Your buddy RMJ11 complained about Mentzer/Yates for about 6 months straight.
He opened a giant can of worms because Roger Walker’s interview exposed RMJ11’s hero (Arnold) as gay for pay champ.
40+ Yrs of Loser's Crying 😢😢😢😢😢 & here's to many many more 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Oh & Arnold Won - 👊🏻 👍🏻 😊
Royalty has had an unrequited love affair with Mike mentzer for 40 years.
Oh well, its better to have loved and lost the 1980 mr Olympia than to have never loved at all.
:D Mentzer wasn't even good at sex.
Mentzer got fucked by several men and got fifth .... ;D
So there you have it , you and your endless fixation with GAY SEX.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHH YMCA BITCHES
With Serge's participation, there would have been no debate
With Serge's participation, there would have been no debateHe had a great physique but looked less impressive next to other competitors.
He had a great physique but looked less impressive next to other competitors.
Especially next to Arnold
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Serge looked great with his arms down, when he hit fbd etc he lost it.His back was way inferior to Arnold's as well. Great physique though.