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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: NarcissisticDeity on August 15, 2008, 06:58:36 PM
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damn ugly
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Last two and I didn't have to wait for the continued meltdown lol
Yates own's people's minds
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I find it amusing how delusional the Dorian nuthuggers are. I can picture them looking at these pics and thinking "damn, Dorian looks unstoppable." ::)
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that looks like a 6- time champ to me!
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I find it amusing how delusional the Dorian nuthuggers are. I can picture them looking at these pics and thinking "damn, Dorian looks unstoppable." ::)
yup.
and everyone else is thinking "damn ugly"
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I find it amusing how delusional the Dorian nuthuggers are. I can picture them looking at these pics and thinking "damn, Dorian looks unstoppable." ::)
Dorian looks insane off season.
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damn ugly
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yup.
and everyone else is thinking "damn ugly"
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I can't see how anyone can find this body pleasing, its gross, his face looks like my wallet, and his body just isn't nice to look at.
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Dorian looks insane off season.
so do a lot of other bodybuilders...who would kick dorian's ass:
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I find it amusing how delusional the Dorian nuthuggers are. I can picture them looking at these pics and thinking "damn, Dorian looks unstoppable." ::)
Dorian doesn't look unstoppable he was unstoppable ;)
Dorian is in your head kid
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Yates = fantastic
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yates=mess
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yates=mess
Yates = Nasser Killer
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Dorian is what in these pics? 280 lbs? From now on, whenever the Ronnie spooge drinkers brink up Ronnie's 2003 Olympia form as the one that would defeat Dorian, I will post these pics. Dorian is only a few pounds lighter in them than Ronnie 2003 Olympia, and he looks infinitely harder and dryer than Ronnie did in 2003. Hell, he looks harder than Ronnie 1999; Ronnie 2003 looks 12 weeks out compared to Dorian in these pics!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Can anyone confirm Dorian's weight? If he really is 280 then it really puts his contest shape into perspective.
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Can anyone confirm Dorian's weight? If he really is 280 then it really puts his contest shape into perspective.
He might be around 280 because in these pics hes 300 and he's much softer
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Dorian is what in these pics? 280 lbs? From now on, whenever the Ronnie spooge drinkers brink up Ronnie's 2003 Olympia form as the one that would defeat Dorian, I will post these pics. Dorian is only a few pounds lighter in them than Ronnie 2003 Olympia, and he looks infinitely harder and dryer than Ronnie did in 2003. Hell, he looks harder than Ronnie 1999; Ronnie 2003 looks 12 weeks out compared to Dorian in these pics!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
dumbest fucking post EVER:
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12 weeks out? ::)
even in 2003 shape, Ronnie had detail dorian could only DREAM of:
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notice: Ronnie has more detail on ONE ARM than dorian does on his WHOLE FUCKING BODY from the front.
yes, Sucky, please post these pics all the time LOL
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dumbest fucking post EVER:
12 weeks out?
even in 2003 shape, Ronnie had detail dorian could only DREAM of:
Detail? Compare Dorian's back in these shots to those of Ronnie 2003 and you'll see who has the most detail. Ronnie 2003 was watery, with a distended gut and quads that overpowered his torso. He was utter shit. Dorian would crush him easily given that he's roughly as big as Ronnie 2003 was in these shots but with superior details, hardness and symmetry.
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dumbest fucking post EVER:
tell me about it. Dorian is thick as hell in those pics but he looks soft, blocky, and unrefined. Of course, to the nuthuggers, Dorian looks unstoppable b/c they can't see past his nuts in their mouth. I swear, you can post offseason shots of him looking like a bloated mess and they will still say he looks "harder" than Ronnie. ::)
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Oooo, look at Dorian's "hardness" and "detail" compared to Ronnie. ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=268027;image)
(http://www.geocities.com/ronniecolemantr/image/Ronnie_Coleman_51.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=268018;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=268019;image)
(http://www.geocities.com/ronniecolemantr/image/Ronnie_Coleman_62.jpg)
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I can't see how anyone can find this body pleasing, its gross, his face looks like my wallet, and his body just isn't nice to look at.
Dude I would get rid of that fucking wallet.
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tell me about it. Dorian is thick as hell in those pics but he looks soft, blocky, and unrefined. Of course, to the nuthuggers, Dorian looks unstoppable b/c they can't see past his nuts in their mouth. I swear, you can post offseason shots of him looking like a bloated mess and they will still say he looks "harder" than Ronnie.
This coming from SemenHole, the board's number 1 Ronnie spooge sucker - sorry, Hulkster, but he got you beat -, who got owned again and again on the truce thread by yours truly, and who is notorious for saying things such as that Ronnie carried more mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia despite being 10 lbs lighter, that genetics play no roles in muscular definition and that Ronnie's back is better than Dorian's because it is more "3D" :-\
Ronnie 2003 was a worthless pile of shit. He had no definition in his back, pin forearms, stick calves that were dwarfed by ginormous quads which also dwarfed the entire torso, a gigantic ass that dominate his entire rear view and the worst distended gut in the history of bodybuilding which made Dorian's at the 1997 Olympia look like Zane's at the 1977 Olympia in comparison. How can anyone thnk that hideous monstrosity was even top 10 material, let alone Olympia winner, is completely beyond me.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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meltdown.
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This coming from Sir NeoSeminole, the board's number 1 Ronnie spooge sucker - sorry, Hulkster, but he got you beat -, who got owned again and again on the truce thread by yours truly, and who is notorious for saying things such as that Ronnie carried more mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia despite being 10 lbs lighter, that genetics play no roles in muscular definition and that Ronnie's back is better than Dorian's because it is more "3D"
tsk tsk, resorting to lies I see. First, how do you figure I'm the "number 1 Ronnie spooge sucker?" By number of posts? You just made that up b/c you have nothing else to say. Second, where have you owned me? Again, more bullshit from you b/c you have nothing else to say. Third, I never said genetics don't play a role in definition. I said genetics determine where a person carries more (or less) body fat and water. Fourth, I never listed depth as the sole reason for why Ronnie's back is superior to Dorian's. Nice try kiddo, but I have just dismantled your post one by one. ;)
As for you being proven wrong, let's see...
- Ronnie's arms weren't more than 2" bigger than Dorian's
- Ronnie's brachialis are poor
- you denying about lying
- Flex has better taper than Ronnie
- a person can be 4% bf and have no visible definition
- bodybuilders can't get a prescription for steroids through doctors
Ronnie 2003 was a worthless pile of shit. He had no definition in his back, pin forearms, stick calves that were dwarfed by ginormous quads which also dwarfed the entire torso, a gigantic ass that dominate his entire rear view and the worst distended gut in the history of bodybuilding which made Dorian's at the 1997 Olympia look like Zane's at the 1977 Olympia in comparison. How can anyone thnk that hideous monstrosity was even top 10 material, let alone Olympia winner, is completely beyond me.
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Sucky, you really woke up on the stupid side of the park bench today:
Ronnie 2003 destroys your offseason dorian, and would do the same to the in contest version too:
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Sucky, you really woke up on the stupid side of the park bench today:
Suckmyasshole is an idiot, plain and simple.
No one at this board is more intelligent that me. No one.
What separated Dorian from the other competitors was that he had hardcore muscle
I have been as heavy as a lean 310 lbs in the past
I could dwarf Coleman if I took the amount of drugs that he takes and dedicated myself 24/7 to bodybuilding.
When I was saucing hardcore, I had a one rep max of 610 lbs, on the bench.
Also, when I was saucing, I had a really, really bad temper. On more than one occasion, I felt an undescribable urge to murder some of the posters of this board, for some commentaries they made at the time. In all honesty, if they were standing in front of me, I think I would have killed them. I'm dead serious, man. I thank my lucky stars they were away from me, because otherwise I'd be on death row, or facing a life-term. As an example, I killed my neighbors german shephard with my bare hands, by breaking his spine.
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LOL he actually said he could dwarf Coleman?
bwahahahahahaha
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LOL he actually said he could dwarf Coleman?
bwahahahahahaha
I'm still waiting for him to throw up a pic of himself. After all the shit talk before last year's Mr. Getbig, the little b*tch doesn't even compete. ::)
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Not this shit again
To everyone on the board apart from maybe 3 morons, its still the same story
Yates looks like pap
Nothin new has been revealed by these pics
They only re affirm one thing:
Ronnie is better. ;)
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Not this shit again
To everyone on the board apart from maybe 3 morons, its still the same story
Yates looks like pap
Nothin new has been revealed by these pics
They only re affirm one thing:
Ronnie is better. ;)
exactly.
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lol at comparing 15-year-old VHS stills to DVD stills/pro photographs.
Are you that stupid?
I'm not saying Dorian had more detail from the front than Ronnie because he didn't by a mile, but your comparison material is dumb. ::)
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he looks like the same ol ugly piece of eurotrash
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notice: Ronnie has more detail on ONE ARM than dorian does on his WHOLE FUCKING BODY from the front.
yes, Sucky, please post these pics all the time LOL
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dude those Yates pics were from like 1993 or 1994. Ronnie was close to last place back then. Yates was dominating back then. So if Yates sucked....then Ronnie REALLY sucked!
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he looks like the same ol ugly piece of eurotrash
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that peice Eurotrash is stronger, smarter, Better built, Wealthier, and more popular than you.
ps- plus he dominated your idol every time they competed.
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dude those Yates pics were from like 1993 or 1994. Ronnie was close to last place back then. Yates was dominating. So if Yates sucked....then Ronnie REALLY sucked!
Ha Ha Ha Great post !
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that peice Eurotrash is stronger, smarter, Better built, Wealthier, and more popular than you.
ps- plus he dominated your idol every time they competed.
god doesn't approve of you talking like this royalty
you are going to burn in hell :P
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he looks like the same ol ugly piece of eurotrash
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I'd rather be eurotrash than a closet homo like yourself. ;D
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god doesn't approve of you talking like this royalty
you are going to burn in hell :P
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Half Black and Half Loser
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I'd rather be eurotrash than a closet homo like yourself. ;D
but i'm not a closet homo
and you are eurotrash ;D
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Half Black and Half Loser
All loser.
That mongoloid never won and Olympia and today he's a pathetic 160 lbs. loser living in a shitty West Hollywood apartment "living the dream"...
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but i'm not a closet homo
and you are eurotrash ;D
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You're out of the closet now?
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Half Black and Half Loser
funny coming from a guy that would rather look like Mr. Levrone ::)
yates is ugly from head to toe, guys that support him can probably relate
a hero to all ugly bodybuilders :)
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All loser.
That mongoloid never won and Olympia and today he's a pathetic 160 lbs. loser living in a shitty West Hollywood apartment "living the dream"...
lol all loser
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but i'm not a closet homo
and you are eurotrash ;D
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You're a muscle worshipping closet homo
I live in Michigan
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lol at comparing 15-year-old VHS stills to DVD stills/pro photographs.
Are you that stupid?
I'm not saying Dorian had more detail from the front than Ronnie because he didn't by a mile, but your comparison material is dumb.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=268027;image)
sure, b/c a DVD version would show the definition in his glutes and hamstrings, and make the folds of skin on his lower back disappear. ::) Although your post may sound good on the surface, it falls apart under scrutiny.
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funny coming from a guy that would rather look like Mr. Levrone ::)
yates is ugly from head to toe, guys that support him can probably relate
a hero to all ugly bodybuilders :)
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I would rather look like Steve Reeves than Levrone and Yates ;)
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All loser.
That mongoloid never won and Olympia and today he's a pathetic 160 lbs. loser living in a shitty West Hollywood apartment "living the dream"...
mongoloid? ???
i can't imagine anybody saying yates is better looking
and he isn't insecure like yates where he still needs to be jacked when his career is over
yates = hero to all ugly eurotrash bodybuilders
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You're a muscle worshipping closet homo
I live in Michigan
you're gay for yates and michigan people are almost as ugly as the brits
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mongoloid? ???
i can't imagine anybody saying yates is better looking
and he isn't insecure like yates where he still needs to be jacked when his career is over
yates = hero to all ugly eurotrash bodybuilders
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The bodybuilding criteria doesn't take into account facial beauty sorry
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I would rather look like Steve Reeves than Levrone and Yates ;)
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you would rather look like Mr. Levrone than yates
i assume you think yates is more sexually attractive ???
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mongoloid? ???
i can't imagine anybody saying yates is better looking
and he isn't insecure like yates where he still needs to be jacked when his career is over
yates = hero to all ugly eurotrash bodybuilders
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That's because Yates is a real bodybuilder and doesn't suck off movie producers to get 5 total minutes of screen time in a C level movie.
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you would rather look like Mr. Levrone than yates
i assume you think yates is more sexually attractive ???
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Whats on your mind? ??? sex has nothing to do with it maybe for you it does
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Ha Ha Ha Great post !
I would expect such a response from someone with an attention span less than 5 sec.
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I would expect such a response from someone with an attention span less than 5 sec.
Say my name , say my name ;) I'm in your mind kid ;)
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The bodybuilding criteria doesn't take into account facial beauty sorry
he called the handsome Mr. Levrone a mongoloid ::)
facially yates was well below average, at 30 he looked like he was 45
and yates had an ugly body too, even you admit you would NEVER want to look like him :)
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lol at the Freudian slip. Earl just confirmed he's a homo. ;D
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he called the handsome Mr. Levrone a mongoloid ::)
facially yates was well below average, at 30 he looked like he was 45
and yates had an ugly body too, even you admit you would NEVER want to look like him :)
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NO I wouldn't want to look like him but I'm objective enough to know Yates would beat Kevin or Ronnie or Nasser
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That's because Yates is a real bodybuilder and doesn't suck off movie producers to get 5 total minutes of screen time in a C level movie.
yes "real bodybuilder" means so insecure you feel like less of a man without muscle
Mr. Levrone sucks off no one, unlike yates sucking off the judges
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lol at the Freudian slip. Earl just confirmed he's a homo. ;D
that's what you want to think after I owned you, ugly :-*
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lol at the Freudian slip. Earl just confirmed he's a homo. ;D
I think he did
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NO I wouldn't want to look like him but I'm objective enough to know Yates would beat Kevin or Ronnie or Nasser
yes because you know the judges like the ugliest physique
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yes because you know the judges like the ugliest physique
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NO the one that meets the criteria the best
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I think he did
so then you would be gay for steve reeves ???
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so then you would be gay for steve reeves ???
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No because I don't go on and on about his facial beauty ;) I would rather look like him for his size & structure and perfect symmetry and aesthetics
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No because I don't go on and on about his facial beauty ;) I would rather look like him for his size & structure and perfect symmetry and aesthetics
take away his face and he would've been a nobody
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take away his face and he would've been a nobody
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LMFAO nobody? his physique won him every single major bodybuilding championship in his day , a feat Levrone can't claim , and unlike Levrone he was at one time the highest paid actor in the world
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lol at comparing 15-year-old VHS stills to DVD stills/pro photographs.
Are you that stupid?
I'm not saying Dorian had more detail from the front than Ronnie because he didn't by a mile, but your comparison material is dumb. ::)
screencap vs screencap or pic vs pic the result is exactly the same: 8)
the dorian nuthuggers hope and pray that they can discredit the visuals, but everyone knows that they can't.
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screencap vs screencap or pic vs pic the result is exactly the same: 8)
the dorian nuthuggers hope and pray that they can discredit the visuals, but everyone knows that they can't.
Discredit dick you were busted by Kevon Horton for using photoshopped pics
1999 means jack shit Dorian kills him on muscular balance & proportion , density & dryness , matched him in muscular bulk kills him on completeness and posing & presentation ANY picture you post photoshopped or not Dorian has advantages at his best , which is eactly why Ronnie himself said he could never beat Yates ;)
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just keep telling yourself all those 99 shots are fake ND.
we all know it will make you feel better.
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too bad they are not photoshopped, neither are the videos.
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just keep telling yourself all those 99 shots are fake ND.
we all know it will make you feel better.
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too bad they are not photoshopped, neither are the videos.
I never claimed THAT PARTICULAR picture was photoshopped ;) please show me where I did , I said YOU HAVE posted photoshopped pics dummy get it right ;) you stopped posting them because Kevin Horton outed you LMFAO those pics have been available all this time yet YOU did NOT posted them but you're forced to know lol and they make no difference Yates still has the same advantages
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you have yet to come out and SHOW us which ones were photoshopped in Kevin's opinion.
go ahead and try.
show the world which ones are supposedly photoshopped LOL
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you have yet to come out and SHOW us which ones were photoshopped in Kevin's opinion.
go ahead and try.
show the world which ones are supposedly photoshopped LOL
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Shut up dummy , I already have recall a thread I made idiot? you're busted , Bizzy admitted photoshopping them , you knew he did and continued to use them , you made up a quote from Shawn Ray I busted you on that you're pathetic and stupid thats a bad combination ;)
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Shut up dummy
great retort.
lol
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lets see those pics LOL
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Bizzy admitted photoshopping them , you knew he did and continued to use them
not the ones I keep posting idiot :P ::)
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great retort.
lol
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lets see those pics LOL
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Like your retort on why Dorian is better? ;) Hulkster keep trying to get me and Yates out of your mind , maybe one day it will happen
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not the ones I keep posting idiot :P ::)
Sure , sure ....he was busted , you were busted and like the other dummies who Yates crushed like Sharma you're all busted and need to create pics that would beat Dorian LOL so much for him being overrated when people are reduced to photoshopping pics
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LMFAO nobody? his physique won him every single major bodybuilding championship in his day , a feat Levrone can't claim , and unlike Levrone he was at one time the highest paid actor in the world
yes he was great for his time bur that was what, 50 years ago?
put dorian's face on his body and nobody today talks about him
Mr. Levrone won 20 contests which was a record until ronnie broke it recently
reeves wouldn't even be a muscle and fitness cover model today so saying he was a high paid actor 50 years ago when 15 inch arms were considered huge doesn't mean much
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screencap vs screencap or pic vs pic the result is exactly the same: 8)
the dorian nuthuggers hope and pray that they can discredit the visuals, but everyone knows that they can't.
you still think an entire contest and even one's career is based on one pose.
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yes he was great for his time bur that was what, 50 years ago?
put dorian's face on his body and nobody today talks about him
Mr. Levrone won 20 contests which was a record until ronnie broke it recently
reeves wouldn't even be a muscle and fitness cover model today so saying he was a high paid actor 50 years ago when 15 inch arms were considered huge doesn't mean much
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15" arms lmfao his arm , neck and calves were all the same exact size , something Levrone couldn't accomplish and they were all 18.5" naturally , what does Kev look like off ? 170 pounds LMFAO and who cares how many contests he won? he NEVER won the one that matters the most
Kevin always a brides maid and never a bride , but don't worry you have plenty of company
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you still think an entire contest and even one's career is based on one pose.
He's a fucking complete idiot thats his whole argument lol the most muscular he still can't seem to grasp the concept that all rounds are physique rounds and even in his precious most muscular things like balance & proportion are assessed and density & dryness and bulk etc , so while Ronnie may have advantages in his those and even win it , it doesn't matter because there are more poses that Yates clearly wins
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15" arms lmfao his arm , neck and calves were all the same exact size , something Levrone couldn't accomplish and they were all 18.5" naturally , what does Kev look like off ? 170 pounds LMFAO and who cares how many contests he won? he NEVER won the one that matters the most
Kevin always a brides maid and never a bride , but don't worry you have plenty of company
15 inch arms were considered big back then
what does any human being look like when they don't train, diet, or use drugs?
who cares how many contests hahaha he won more than reeves and everybody else excluding ronnie so don't tell me that isn't a big deal
oh and how many olympias did reeves win?
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15 inch arms were considered big back then
what does any human being look like when they don't train, diet, or use drugs?
who cares how many contests hahaha he won more than reeves and everybody else excluding ronnie so don't tell me that isn't a big deal
oh and how many olympias did reeves win?
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Man I feel bad arguing with you at times because you're not only ignorant you're stupid
Reeves didn't have 15" arms , Steve was drug Free and looks leaps & bounds better than Levrone when off , all those contests Kevin won don't mean anything because he NEVER won the contest that matters the most the Mr Olympia
and how many Olympia did Reeves win? NONE because the contest wasn't started until 1965 15 years after he retired , he was the first one to own THREE Sandows throphies ;) before any Mr Olympia winner he won the Mr Universe which at that time was the best bodybuilding contest anyone could hope to win
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Man I feel bad arguing with you at times because you're not only ignorant you're stupid
Reeves didn't have 15" arms , Steve was drug Free and looks leaps & bounds better than Levrone when off , all those contests Kevin won don't mean anything because he NEVER won the contest that matters the most the Mr Olympia
and how many Olympia did Reeves win? NONE because the contest wasn't started until 1965 15 years after he retired , he was the first one to own THREE Sandows throphies ;) before any Mr Olympia winner he won the Mr Universe which at that time was the best bodybuilding contest anyone could hope to win
I never said he had 15 inch arms, i said 15 inch arms were considered huge back then, learn to read stupid
you're comparing a Mr. Levrone that doesn't train and diet to a steve reeves in his prime ::)
yes 20s contests mean nothing ::) and you comparing the competitionreeves had with the competion of the 90's is laughable
yeah i'm stupid haha ;)
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I never said he had 15 inch arms, i said 15 inch arms were considered huge back then, learn to read stupid
ha ha ha, too funny. I've been saying this for a while now: NarcissisticSissy can't read worth a shit.
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I never said he had 15 inch arms, i said 15 inch arms were considered huge back then, learn to read stupid
you're comparing a Mr. Levrone that doesn't train and diet to a steve reeves in his prime ::)
yes 20s contests mean nothing ::) and you comparing the competitionreeves had with the competion of the 90's is laughable
yeah i'm stupid haha ;)
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You are stupid thats old news , and now you're claiming his contemporaries all had 15" arms more ignorance on your behalf ( see stupid ) and Mr Leverone does train for movie roles , so wrong again
and 20 contests mean NOTHING compared to one single Mr Olympia Sandow and it doesn't matter Reeves was still better than his competition at the very highest level , Kevin wasn't thats a fact and thanks for agreeing you're stupid but thats blatantly obvious
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ha ha ha, too funny. I've been saying this for a while now: the guy can't read worth a shit.
You should feel for him because he's getting his ass kicked like you did time and time again ;)
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You should feel for him because he's getting his ass kicked like you did time and time again
wow, you showed me.... moron. Learn to read before you go around claiming to hand out 'ass kickings.' ;)
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OooOooooo, you showed me.... moron. Learn to read before you go around claiming to own people. ;)
I corrected you on numerous errors you made in density & dryness and balance & proportion like him you're ignorant about competitive bodybuilding thats a proven fact ;) all thatand I;m not even a " Certified Personal Trainer " LMMFAO
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You are stupid thats old news , and now you're claiming his contemporaries all had 15" arms more ignorance on your behalf ( see stupid ) and Mr Leverone does train for movie roles , so wrong again
and 20 contests mean NOTHING compared to one single Mr Olympia Sandow and it doesn't matter Reeves was still better than his competition at the very highest level , Kevin wasn't thats a fact and thanks for agreeing you're stupid but thats blatantly obvious
wow where did i say his contemporaries had 15 inch arms? all i said was 15 inch arms were considered huge back then
YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE :P
no Mr. Levrone does not train for movie roles, he doesn't go to the gym and wants to stay away from muscle man type roles so you are the one that is ignorant and of course stupid :)
according to your logic larry scott was a better bodybuilder than mr. levrone right?
Mr. Levrone was better than his competiton,the judges prefer ugly physiques and are you completely unfamiliar with sarcasm ???
ps you and me used to have just friendly debates, when you start the childish name calling it means you are fragile and feel like you are losing the argument :-*
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You should feel for him because he's getting his ass kicked like you did time and time again ;)
you lost the truce thread and you are losing to me
don't feel bad, i'm undefeated ;D
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wow where did i say his contemporaries had 15 inch arms? all i said was 15 inch arms were considered huge back then
YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE :P
no Mr. Levrone does not train for movie roles, he doesn't go to the gym and wants to stay away from muscle man type roles so you are the one that is ignorant and of course stupid :)
according to your logic larry scott was a better bodybuilder than mr. levrone right?
Mr. Levrone was better than his competiton,the judges prefer ugly physiques and are you completely unfamiliar with sarcasm ???
ps you and me used to have just friendly debates, when you start the childish name calling it means you are fragile and feel like you are losing the argument :-*
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Again your point is retarded 15" arms were considered huge back then more ignorance on your behalf if that was the case Reeves had the biggest arms ever ::)
Kevin did train for his ' movie roles ' more bull shit from you just because he's not juicing doesn't mean he's not training , I read an article in a bodybuilding magazine saying so
Please show me where I ever claimed Larry Scott was better , Scott like Reeves was the very best of HIS contemporaries , Kevin was NOT get it? Larry Scott = Mr Olympia , Steve Reeves = Mr Universe
Mr Levrone wasn't better than his competition at the Mr Olympia contest hence why he never won , please spare me the default judging excuse its been done
NO friendly debate you'd have to be knowledgeable to debate me , you've proven you're ignorant about competitive bodybuilding time and time again , in order for me to lose an argument you'd actually have to know what you're talking about and correct me on my points , good luck many have tried like the dummy neo and hulkster and they fell flat on their faces too , and fragile ? lmfao I'll just laugh at that
anything else you need corrected? ;)
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I corrected you on numerous errors you made in density & dryness and balance & proportion like him you're ignorant about competitive bodybuilding thats a proven fact all thatand I;m not even a " Certified Personal Trainer " LMMFAO
I've corrected you on numerous occasions such as the difference between conditioning, definition and density, balance and proportion, symmetry, and the importance of shape and fullness. Like most bias nuthuggers, you try to bend the judging criteria in favor of your man-crush while downplaying his opponents' advantages.
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you lost the truce thread and you are losing to me
don't feel bad, i'm undefeated ;D
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lmfao I lost zero thats why Hulkster , pumpster and Neoseminole follow ME around like lost little pupies trying to prove to ME they were right , I don't follow them around ;) and if you call being corrected on all your points winning then you're more delusional than I first thought but hey losers tend to stick together so go group hug with the rest of the losers , because you all have one thing in common , Yates left your heros for dead ;)
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lmfao I lost zero thats why Hulkster , pumpster and Neoseminole follow ME around like lost little pupies trying to prove to ME they were right , I don't follow them around
that's b/c it's fun proving you wrong. ;D
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Again your point is retarded 15" arms were considered huge back then more ignorance on your behalf if that was the case Reeves had the biggest arms ever ::)
Kevin did train for his ' movie roles ' more bull shit from you just because he's not juicing doesn't mean he's not training , I read an article in a bodybuilding magazine saying so
Please show me where I ever claimed Larry Scott was better , Scott like Reeves was the very best of HIS contemporaries , Kevin was NOT get it? Larry Scott = Mr Olympia , Steve Reeves = Mr Universe
Mr Levrone wasn't better than his competition at the Mr Olympia contest hence why he never won , please spare me the default judging excuse its been done
NO friendly debate you'd have to be knowledgeable to debate me , you've proven you're ignorant about competitive bodybuilding time and time again , in order for me to lose an argument you'd actually have to know what you're talking about and correct me on my points , good luck many have tried like the dummy neo and hulkster and they fell flat on their faces too , and fragile ? lmfao I'll just laugh at that
anything else you need corrected? ;)
you don't get it ::) it was a totally different era, 18 inch arms were huge then, they would be considered tiny today
haha you read in an article, you only believe what you want to believe Mr. Levrone himself said he doesn't train or diet
i was asking you if larry scott was better since he has a Mr. olympia
no friendly debate haha calm down sweetheart it's only the internet
so fragile and sensitive, you lose :-*
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I've corrected you on numerous occasions such as the difference between conditioning, definition and density, balance and proportion, symmetry, and the importance of shape and fullness. Like most bias nuthuggers, you try to bend the judging criteria in favor of your man-crush while downplaying his opponents' advantages.
You've done NOTHING and you're outright lying now lol you're the idiot who thought balance & proportion were the same thing LMFAO how can you try and argue a point when you don't even know what you're talking about? the same with Ronnie being harder or drier than Dorian again you're ignorant to what great conditioning is and isn't , and there is nothing wrong with being ignorant but what makes you a dummy is that you insist you're right when you're proven flat out wrong ;)
Dorian is the criteria hence why he always dominated I've proven this via judges who matter the most and you've said they're flat out wrong as well , you think trying to hide your ignorance in semantics and word games means you're right nothing changes the fact and its a proven fact Yates was unstoppable at his best are worse and you don't know what you're talking about
keep trying to impress me Neo because it haven't worked yet
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that's b/c it's fun proving you wrong. ;D
yeah thats why YOU follow ME I have nothing to prove to you ;) Dorian and I own your mind kid
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lmfao I lost zero thats why Hulkster , pumpster and Neoseminole follow ME around like lost little pupies trying to prove to ME they were right , I don't follow them around ;) and if you call being corrected on all your points winning then you're more delusional than I first thought but hey losers tend to stick together so go group hug with the rest of the losers , because you all have one thing in common , Yates left your heros for dead ;)
it was you that started a "TEAM THIS TEAM THAT" thread
are you sure they aren't in your fragile mind? :-\
let me ask you something, if you would NEVER want to look like yates why do you feel the need to defend him so much and why is anybody that disagrees with you a fan boy when you are clearly the biggest fan boy here?
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you don't get it ::) it was a totally different era, 18 inch arms were huge then, they would be considered tiny today
haha you read in an article, you only believe what you want to believe Mr. Levrone himself said he doesn't train or diet
i was asking you if larry scott was better since he has a Mr. olympia
no friendly debate haha calm down sweetheart it's only the internet
so fragile and sensitive, you lose :-*
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It doesn't matter if 18" arms were considered huge what does matter is his perfect symmetry and aesthetics coupled with size , something that Levrone can't claim
yeah because Levrone was lying in the article ::)
Larry Scott wasn't a better bodybuilder than Levrone HOWEVER he was better than his contemporaries which is why he's Mr Olympia , a feat Levrone couldn't duplicate , check bodybuilding history and please find me Levrone's name on the Olympia winners list ;)
again its NOT a friendly debate , you'd have to know what you're talking about to debate me ;) its me just correcting your ignorance and again keep mistaking my posts for anything but what they are me correcting you , no malice no ill intent if you see otherwise just more ignorance on your behalf nothing new
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Had Levrone been consistent and developed a lowerback he'd have been Mr. Olympia regardless of politics
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Had Levrone been consistent and developed a lowerback he'd have been Mr. Olympia regardless of politics
Not true , his problem was you got two versions of Kevin the big soft Kev or the small ripped one he could never find that balance he came close to beating Ronnie though
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It doesn't matter if 18" arms were considered huge what does matter is his perfect symmetry and aesthetics coupled with size , something that Levrone can't claim
yeah because Levrone was lying in the article ::)
Larry Scott wasn't a better bodybuilder than Levrone HOWEVER he was better than his contemporaries which is why he's Mr Olympia , a feat Levrone couldn't duplicate , check bodybuilding history and please find me Levrone's name on the Olympia winners list ;)
again its NOT a friendly debate , you'd have to know what you're talking about to debate me ;) its me just correcting your ignorance and again keep mistaking my posts for anything but what they are me correcting you , no malice no ill intent if you see otherwise just more ignorance on your behalf nothing new
how recent was the article, he tried to look his worst for that video
the rest of what you said is the same pure nonsense, if i keep responding this will become another truce thread because getbig is all that you have :'(
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"happiness is a warm gun"
sounds like a cry for help ???
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how recent was the article, he tried to look his worst for that video
the rest of what you said is the same pure nonsense, if i keep responding this will become another truce thread because getbig is all that you have :'(
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lmfao GetBig is all I have it could be worse I could have half black , half amazing
and it was one of his first movie roles , you know those god awful straight to DVD releases
and its not nonsense and you know it , its ok if you don't want to ' debate '
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"happiness is a warm gun"
sounds like a cry for help ???
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And you said GetBig is all I have? lol ever hear of The Beatles ? I'm sure Levrone is a huge fan seeing he's a musician
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lmfao GetBig is all I have it could be worse I could have half black , half amazing
and it was one of his first movie roles , you know those god awful straight to DVD releases
and its not nonsense and you know it , its ok if you don't want to ' debate '
i put that sig back because it causes "suckmymuscle" to meltdown 8)
his first movie role, yeah 5 years ago when he was looked better then reeves
it is the same old tired nonsense, i can only own you so much before i get bored
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You've done NOTHING and you're outright lying now lol you're the idiot who thought balance & proportion were the same thing LMFAO how can you try and argue a point when you don't even know what you're talking about? the same with Ronnie being harder or drier than Dorian again you're ignorant to what great conditioning is and isn't , and there is nothing wrong with being ignorant but what makes you a dummy is that you insist you're right when you're proven flat out wrong
balance and proportion are the same thing, you dumbass. Both refer to the relativity of parts. As for Ronnie being harder or dryer, I said he had better overall conditioning at the 01 ASC than Dorian. I have supported this with visual evidence, eye-witness testimony, and knowledge of anatomy and physiology. Just give it up, kiddo. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant but what makes you an idiot is that you insist you're right when you're proven flat out wrong. ;)
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And you said GetBig is all I have? lol ever hear of The Beatles ? I'm sure Levrone is a huge fan seeing he's a musician
it's a beatles lyric?
still there are billions of lyrics out there and you choose that one as your sig
you might think things are difficult right now nd but like the Fulblown song "dosividanya" says:
JUST WAIT, GOD'S NOT FINISHED 8)
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Had Levrone been consistent and developed a lowerback he'd have been Mr. Olympia regardless of politics
Had Levrone dedicated himself to being a fulltime bodybuilder instead of taking many months off during the year, he might have a Sandow or two. I would suggest that 2002 was a prime example. Ronnie was vulnerable that year and Kevin could have gone for the jugular had he came into the contest in top form, but he missed a great opportunity. Though in excellent condition, his quads were becoming increasingly shallow and he had lost the overall fullness and density of years past.
I think it is safe to conclude that Mr. Olympia champions tend to be dedicated to their craft. Yates, Ronnie, Haney, Arnold, etc are known for their work ethic. Sadly, some of the most gifted bodybuilders who could have won the title, such as Levrone and Wheeler, failed to do so because they didn't want it bad enough. They were enamored with the thought of being the champ and the perks that it entails, but didn't want to dedicate themselves fully to getting there.
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balance and proportion are the same thing, you dumbass. Both refer to the relativity of parts. As for Ronnie being harder or dryer, I said he had better overall conditioning at the 01 ASC than Dorian. I have supported this with visual evidence, eye-witness testimony, and knowledge of anatomy and physiology. Just give it up, kiddo. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant but what makes you an idiot is that you insist you're right when you're proven flat out wrong. ;)
balance & proportion are NOT the same thing , I've already crushed you on this point I wont embarrass you further , and Ronnie 2001 MAYBE MAYBE tied Yates for that bone dry & rock hard conditioning but NEVER surpassed him thats simply wishful thinking and your interpretation of the ' visual ' evidence is worth fuck-all because you're ignorant to what great conditioning is and isn't , and you've been reduced to LYING now you have NO eye-witness testimony that claims Ronnie 2001 was better conditioned than Dorian , that just garbage and we both know ;) me on the other hand have someone who is very well respected saying and I quote Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian ;)
There is nothing wrong with being ignorant but what makes you an idiot is that you insist you're right when you're proven flat out wrong. ;)
funny stuff right here , they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and you've done it enough , you've tried to play my game that failed tried to use my tag lines , yup failed again now this lol again kid I own your mind , run along now Neo you bore me as usual , keep vying for my attention if I feel like it I'll throw you a bone ;)
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i put that sig back because it causes "suckmymuscle" to meltdown 8)
his first movie role, yeah 5 years ago when he was looked better then reeves
it is the same old tired nonsense, i can only own you so much before i get bored
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LMFAO looked better than Reeves , well you're entitled to that opinion so have at it lol
and you're like the rest of the losers claim victory when all you know if defeat , hey a lot like your hero ;)
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it's a beatles lyric?
still there are billions of lyrics out there and you choose that one as your sig
you might think things are difficult right now nd but like the Fulblown song "dosividanya" says:
JUST WAIT, GOD'S NOT FINISHED 8)
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Please don't mention any Levrone ' lyric ' in the same sentence as The Beatles , not even kidding around thats blasphamey
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LMFAO looked better than Reeves , well you're entitled to that opinion so have at it lol
and you're like the rest of the losers claim victory when all you know if defeat , hey a lot like your hero ;)
i state facts
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Please don't mention any Levrone ' lyric ' in the same sentence as The Beatles , not even kidding around thats blasphamey
like comparing reeves to mr. levrone?
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i state facts
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Fact is Levrone never beat Dorian ;) no matter how many excuses you come up with thats a fact
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like comparing reeves to mr. levrone?
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There is NO comparison , Reeves stands alone both as a bodybuilder and actor ;)
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There is NO comparison , Reeves stands alone both as a bodybuilder and actor ;)
at this point as an actor yes
as a bodybuilder, if we went by the judging criteria YOU OFTEN BRING UP he gets killed by Mr. Levrone
you only use the judging criteria argument to support your argument ::)
owned again 8)
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balance & proportion are NOT the same thing , I've already crushed you on this point I wont embarrass you further , and Ronnie 2001 MAYBE MAYBE tied Yates for that bone dry & rock hard conditioning but NEVER surpassed him thats simply wishful thinking and your interpretation of the ' visual ' evidence is worth fuck-all because you're ignorant to what great conditioning is and isn't , and you've been reduced to LYING now you have NO eye-witness testimony that claims Ronnie 2001 was better conditioned than Dorian , that just garbage and we both know me on the other hand have someone who is very well respected saying and I quote Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian
balance and proportion are the same thing. I've already crushed you on this point and won't embarrass you further. Ronnie at the 01 ASC surpassed Dorian's best ever conditioning. I supported my argument with evidence while all you have are empty words. Please enlighten us how Dorian can have virtually no body fat or water yet display hardly any separations and striations? Skin is only about 1 mm thick. So how can Dorian have less definition than Ronnie who supposedly never matched his conditioning? Just like your argument, it makes absolutely no sense.
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i put that sig back because it causes "suckmymuscle" to meltdown 8)
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Ha ha ha...no, you put it back up to prove to me that you don't care that about my opinion that I think it's gay, and all it accomplished was to prove the opposite of that. I own you, Earl. You are the one who stalks me across the boards trying to provoke me, and you even alter your board profile just to prove a point to me. ;)
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I'd rather be eurotrash than a closet homo like yourself. ;D
Ha ha...oh, man. " Earl" is taking a beating in this thread. Several people are remarking the obvious fact that's he's a closet fag. ;D
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tsk tsk, resorting to lies I see. First, how do you figure I'm the "number 1 Ronnie spooge sucker?" By number of posts?
No, because your fanboyism is even worst than Hulkster's. At least he chooses the more streamlined and symmetrical Ronnie 1999. You choose the grotesque version of 2003 as Ronnie's best, and you regard that as the best boedybuilder who ever stepped onstage. When Ronnie retired you even made a thread saying good bye to him, and you posted the cry emoticon with the pics. Your posts reek of fanboyism worst than Hulkster's, Pumpster's Bizzy's. The key difference between me and you is that I don't regard Dorian as the best bodybuilder ever, while you worhip at Ronnie's althar. You're pathetic, dude. go get a life.
You just made that up b/c you have nothing else to say. Second, where have you owned me?
Oh geez, I have given you more beatings than I can count. I have already given a few examples, like when I proved that it is impossible for Ronnie to have carried more mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia, and one remarked that I gave you the most clear cut ownage of the entire truce thread. Then there is your insanely stupid argument that everyone will be equally defined at the same bodyfat %, something that even Pumpster, a guy who is on your side, agreed with me that is false. Then there was your argument that the lower lats grow unproportionally in relation to the upper lats. And the goes on and on...
Third, I never said genetics don't play a role in definition. I said genetics determine where a person carries more (or less) body fat and water.
You denied that genetics affects definition when bodyfat % and water levels are controlled for, which is just wrong. Admit that you are wrong about two bodybuilders at the same bodyfat % and water levels having the exact same definition. It is phsysiologically impossible for two people to have the same degree of muscular definition at the same bodyfat and water levels because there are other variables, like tendom attachment point and skin thickness, which affects this, and these factors are genetic. No matter how much you deny it, you are still wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Fourth, I never listed depth as the sole reason for why Ronnie's back is superior to Dorian's.
Notwithstanding, arguing that Ronnie's back's being more " 3D" as a reason why it is better than Dorian's is so idiotic that it it completely made your post a joke. You shouldn't have listed that as one of the reasons at all.
Nice try kiddo, but I have just dismantled your post one by one.
I'll allow you to believe that. After all, your life probably already sucks as it is being a P.E teacher. ;)
As for you being proven wrong, let's see...
- Ronnie's arms weren't more than 2" bigger than Dorian's
At the 1999 Olympia they weren't. At the 2003 Olympia they might have been 2" bigger, but not more than that.
- Ronnie's brachialis are poor
They are when compared to his monstrous biceps, just like the triceps are also poor compared to the biceps as well.
- you denying about lying
How can I deny having done something I never did?
- Flex has better taper than Ronnie
He did. Check out his front relaxed at the 1993 Ironman. That is arguably the best taper in the history of bodybuilding. Wheeler's clavicles are not as wide as Ronnie's, but his waist was so insanely slim that his taper was better.
- a person can be 4% bf and have no visible definition
Never said that. I said that the correlation between definition and bodyfat % is not linear because there is an extraneous variable, genetics, that affect it...
- bodybuilders can't get a prescription for steroids through doctors
They can't for legitimate medical reasons. How am I wrong about this? Go search the " Physician's Desk Reference" and point me out in the technical data of androgen medications where it is stated that muscular enhancement for athletic or bodybuilding purposes is a legitimate medical reason to prescribe steroids or other anabolics like somatotrophin. Steroids, somatotrophin and other anabolic compounds like interleukin-C can be prescribed to cause muscular gains in conditions like Tay-Saches disorder and other wasting conditions, but not for athletic/bodybuilding purposes. So you are wrong - as usual.
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No, because your fanboyism is even worst than Hulkster's.
ha ha ha, wtf are you talking about? Ronnie isn't even my 1st or 2nd fav. bodybuilder. I like Sergio Oliva and Samir Bannout more than Ronnie.
At least he chooses the more streamlined and symmetrical Ronnie 1999. You choose the grotesque version of 2003 as Ronnie's best, and you regard that as the best boedybuilder who ever stepped onstage. When Ronnie retired you even made a thread saying good bye to him, and you posted the cry emoticon with the pics. Your posts reek of fanboyism worst than Hulkster's, Pumpster's Bizzy's. The key difference between me and you is that I don't regard Dorian as the best bodybuilder ever, while you worhip at Ronnie's althar. You're pathetic, dude. go get a life.
bwahahaha, you crack me up. I never made a thread dedicated to Ronnie, and I was messing around when I posted the cry emoticon after he retired - it's called injecting humor into a situation. You're f*cking retarded if you think I cried over a man oiled up in a thong. However, you never cease to amaze me with your stupidity. I wouldn't put it past you to take bodybuilding so seriously.
Oh geez, I have given you more beatings than I can count. I have already given a few examples, like when I proved that it is impossible for Ronnie to have carried more mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia, and one remarked that I gave you the most clear cut ownage of the entire truce thread. Then there is your insanely stupid argument that everyone will be equally defined at the same bodyfat %, something that even Pumpster, a guy who is on your side, agreed with me that is false. Then there was your argument that the lower lats grow unproportionally in relation to the upper lats. And the goes on and on...
you haven't proved shit. Show me the lab results saying Ronnie lost 10 lbs of muscle from 99 to 01. While you're at it, explain why the best bodybuilder in history would lose 10 lbs of muscle in 2 yrs? What the hell was he doing wrong? Regarding body fat %, I said that everyone would display the same overall amount of separations and striations at the same % assuming water levels are the same. For example, one bodybuilder might have more definition from the front while another might have more definition from the back. Their total amount of separations and striations would avg. out to be the same. As for your comment about the lats, I never said the lower lats grow disproportionately compared to the upper lats. If you recall, I had to correct you b/c you are the moron who claimed they did.
Notwithstanding, arguing that Ronnie's back's being more " 3D" as a reason why it is better than Dorian's is so idiotic that it it completely made your post a joke. You shouldn't have listed that as one of the reasons at all.
not really, it's called having more thickness and fullness. Ronnie's back has more of both in certain poses which accounts for its 3D look compared to Dorian. Just b/c you are too dumb to understand this doesn't make it "idiotic" or a "joke."
I'll allow you to believe that. After all, your life probably already sucks as it is being a P.E teacher.
okaay, fag. We've already been through this before. I'm not a P.E. teacher. I graduated with a degree in Exercise Science. You are thinking of Physical Education.
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At the 1999 Olympia they weren't. At the 2003 Olympia they might have been 2" bigger, but not more than that.
so you admit that you were wrong? I was talking about 03 Ronnie at the time.
They are when compared to his monstrous biceps, just like the triceps are also poor compared to the biceps as well.
wrong, they are in perfection proportion to his biceps. You just don't know wtf you are talking about.
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How can I deny having done something I never did?
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And the British Muscle&Fitness magazine repoted that Dorian's right arm flexed tapered at 52 centimeters in circumference for the 1995 Olympia.
Ok, first of all, I never said that Dorian's arms were 52 cm.
He did. Check out his front relaxed at the 1993 Ironman. That is arguably the best taper in the history of bodybuilding. Wheeler's clavicles are not as wide as Ronnie's, but his waist was so insanely slim that his taper was better.
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balance and proportion are the same thing. I've already crushed you on this point and won't embarrass you further. Ronnie at the 01 ASC surpassed Dorian's best ever conditioning. I supported my argument with evidence while all you have are empty words. Please enlighten us how Dorian can have virtually no body fat or water yet display hardly any separations and striations? Skin is only about 1 mm thick. So how can Dorian have less definition than Ronnie who supposedly never matched his conditioning? Just like your argument, it makes absolutely no sense.
Balance & proportion are most certainly NOT the ' same thing ' you're an idiot because you didn't crush nothing in fact you crushed yourself because you posted a quote from Dorian describing the BOTH of them. again how can you be involved in a debate when you don't even know what you;re talking about? YOU CAN'T you're not in the game even when things are explained to you stupidity & pride prevent you from learning
And same with the topic of conditioning you'd have to know what constitutes great conditioning in order to comment who has better conditioning , again you're speaking on topics which you don't know much about
and moron please show me your evidence , please show me where it says specific to the topic at hand that Ronnie at the 2001 Arnold Classic was better conditioned than ANY showing from Dorian Yates please do ;) so much for ' supporting your claims ' ::)
Please enlighten us how Dorian can have virtually no body fat or water yet display hardly any separations and striations? Skin is only about 1 mm thick. So how can Dorian have less definition than Ronnie who supposedly never matched his conditioning? Just like your argument, it makes absolutely no sense.
I have enlightened you moron , this is a question that has been answered MANY times over you just don't like the answer because once again it shows you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
striations are for the most part GENETIC you can't seem to grasp this concept , and you can have striated muscle while holding water get it dummy? Munzer had more striations than anyone ever wonder why? good conditioning and GENETICS for them , he was striated as hell at the 1993 Mr Olympia and Jim Quinn was commenting on the fact he was holding water
I've said this before perhaps Ronnie 2001 Arnold Classic did match Yates for that same bone dry & rock hard muscle albeit lighter 244-247 pounds compared to Yates at 260 pounds in 1995 , to say he had better conditioning is just plain fucking stupid , its indicative of your fan-boy delusions and flat out ignorance
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
This is coming from a man who was at every single contest both these guys were at seen them at their best and worse , his opinion crushes ANYTHING your can formulate because he's speaking from firsthand personal experience , so like your assessment that balance & proportion are the same thing , you're proven dead wrong as usual
you're ignorant when it comes to competitive bodybuilding the funny part is you TRY and act like you know what you're talking about but always fall flat on your face .
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That '93 pre Olympia video really did open my eyes about how impressive Dorian's conditioning was while still being a mass monster. His combination of perfect condition with impressive muscularity hasn't been matched.
However, Ronnie's combination from '99 hasn't been matched.
I don't think the debate can ever be settled because the physiques both men brought to the table on their best day are equally impressive. The fans who defend both competitors should be content to call it a tie.
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Balance & proportion are most certainly NOT the ' same thing ' you're an idiot because you didn't crush nothing in fact you crushed yourself because you posted a quote from Dorian describing the BOTH of them. again how can you be involved in a debate when you don't even know what you;re talking about? YOU CAN'T you're not in the game even when things are explained to you stupidity & pride prevent you from learning
Balance & proportion are most certainly the 'same thing' you're an idiot because you didn't crush nothing in fact you crushed yourself because you haven't done shit to prove they are different. again how can you be involved in a debate when you don't even know what you're talking about? YOU CAN'T you're not in the game even when things are explained to you stupidity and pride prevent you from learning.
And same with the topic of conditioning you'd have to know what constitutes great conditioning in order to comment who has better conditioning , again you're speaking on topics which you don't know much about
And same with the topic of conditioning you'd have to know what constitutes great conditioning in order to comment who has better conditioning , again you're speaking on topics which you don't know much about.
and moron please show me your evidence , please show me where it says specific to the topic at hand that Ronnie at the 2001 Arnold Classic was better conditioned than ANY showing from Dorian Yates please do so much for ' supporting your claims '
I've posted pics, video, eye-witness testimony, and used knowledge of anatomy and physiology. All you have is a quote from one guy who 'thinks' no bodybuilder has ever been "harder" than Dorian. Come back when you actually have material.
I have enlightened you moron , this is a question that has been answered MANY times over you just don't like the answer because once again it shows you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
striations are for the most part GENETIC you can't seem to grasp this concept , and you can have striated muscle while holding water get it dummy? Munzer had more striations than anyone ever wonder why? good conditioning and GENETICS for them , he was striated as hell at the 1993 Mr Olympia and Jim Quinn was commenting on the fact he was holding water
I already countered this by showing that definition is positively correlated with a decrease in body fat and water levels. For your argument to carry any weight, you would have to demonstrate that Dorian is the exception to the rule which is impossible since it would mean he defies human anatomy and physiology.
I've said this before perhaps Ronnie 2001 Arnold Classic did match Yates for that same bone dry & rock hard muscle albeit lighter 244-247 pounds compared to Yates at 260 pounds in 1995 , to say he had better conditioning is just plain fucking stupid , its indicative of your fan-boy delusions and flat out ignorance
ha ha ha, your arguments are lame. All you do is say "anything contrary to my opinion is just plain f*cking dumb." Wow, really? Great argument there, idiot. ::)
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Ha ha ha...no, you put it back up to prove to me that you don't care that about my opinion that I think it's gay, and all it accomplished was to prove the opposite of that. I own you, Earl. You are the one who stalks me across the boards trying to provoke me, and you even alter your board profile just to prove a point to me. ;)
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the sig owns your mind, you've been talking about it for a year now
you can't ever claim that you own me or that I stalk you, i'm the guy that caused you to register with getbig and 4 years later you've threatened to beat me up and even had homicidal thoughts :-* :-* :-*
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Ha ha...oh, man. " Earl" is taking a beating in this thread. Several people are remarking the obvious fact that's he's a closet fag. ;D
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calling me a homo is a beating? ???
this thread is a beating if you ask me ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=227680.0
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However, Ronnie's combination from '99 hasn't been matched.
agreed.
what ND and his bitch(es) fail to realize is that Ronnie 99 was so good he doesn't even have to be in contest shape to beat the best dorian ever offered: his black and white 93 shots, professionally done and all:
in contest day shape, the massacre would have been even worse than it was:
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He's a fucking complete idiot thats his whole argument lol the most muscular he still can't seem to grasp the concept that all rounds are physique rounds
when faced with the overwhelming physical dominance of Ronnie over dorian, you always bring up this "all rounds" excuse LOL
you bring it up beacause its the only way you can say dorian might win- because he gets crushed in the symmetry and muscularity rounds.
in others words, you are acknowledging that dorian would lose both physique rounds, but he was the better poser.
no shit.
everyone knows this. dorian would likely win the posing round. but he would lose both the first two Rounds because his physique was not up to par with Ronnie's.
old news.
we all know Ronnie had the better physique but could not pose worth shit.
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HAHAHAHAHA COLEMAN NEVER BEAT YATES. NEVER, NOT ONE TIME. Coleman even admits that Yates was better.
Ronnie himself knows Yates dominates him.
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HAHAHAHAHA COLEMAN NEVER BEAT YATES. NEVER, NOT ONE TIME. Coleman even admits that Yates was better.
Ronnie himself knows Yates dominates him.
and dorian never looked anything like Ronnie at his peak either:
ronnie has striations.
dorian has wrinkles of loose skin and fat LOL
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and dorian never looked anything like Ronnie at his peak either:
ronnie has striations.
dorian has wrinkles LOL
Who cares about wrinkles? You seem like as much of a f.aggot as Earl who also rates mr olympias by which one he wants to fuck him up the ass ::)
How many times did Ronnie beat Yates? Answer the question. They competed a lot against each other. How many times did Ronnie beat Yates?
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Who cares about wrinkles?
yeah, we are comparing an 8 time Mr. O and a 6 time Mr. O.
who cares about wrinkles as opposed to striations... ::)
unfuckingbelievable.. :-\
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and dorian never looked anything like Ronnie at his peak either:
ronnie has striations.
dorian has wrinkles of loose skin and fat LOL
Personally, I believe if one were to look at the above pics you posted with a critical eye as far as overall back development, Yates is still superior. As good as both are; however, it becomes rather subjective.
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How many times did Ronnie beat Yates? Answer the question. They competed a lot against each other. How many times did Ronnie beat Yates?
how many times did Dorian compete against Ronnie while Ronnie was Mr. olympia?
answer the question.
I really hope you are not stupid enough to be claiming that Ronnie's mid 90's body was even close to his peak olympia form..
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how many times did Dorian compete against Ronnie while Ronnie was Mr. olympia?
answer the question.
I really hope you are not stupid enough to be claiming that Ronnie's mid 90's body was even close to his peak olympia form..
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How many times did Ronnie beat Yates? Answer the question. They competed a lot against each other. How many times did Ronnie beat Yates?
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How many times did Ronnie beat Yates? Answer the question. They competed a lot against each other. How many times did Ronnie beat Yates?
none. because he looked like this:
we are not stupid.
but you appear to be arguing that it does not matter what Ronnie looked like later in his career as Mr. O, you appear to be saying that because he lost once he would always lose.
you do realize that Zane beat Arnold do you not?
and we all know peak Arnold would crush Zane much the same as peak Ronnie would crush dorian..
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How many times did Ronnie beat Yates? Answer the question. They competed a lot against each other. How many times did Ronnie beat Yates?
completely irrelevant. It would be like Sergio retiring after he beat Arnold, and asking "how many times did Arnold beat Sergio?" as proof that Sergio is better.
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HAHAHAHAHA So Coleman NEVER beat Yates even after competing against him a bunch of times. He then admits that he would never beat him even at his peak and Yates was better than him.
Sounds like you want to argue a case that even your idol doesn't agree with. LOL.
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completely irrelevant. It would be like Sergio retiring after he beat Arnold, and asking "how many times did Arnold beat Sergio?" as proof that Sergio is better.
NO it's not irrelevant semenhole. Firstly, Ronnie competed against Yates a whole bunch of times and was always destroyed by him. In your scenario it would be Sergio retiring after competing only once.
Ronnie never beat Yates and admits he never, ever could beat him, even at his best.
The guy you're arguing for thinks your argument is shit . HAHAHAHHAHA LMAO.
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HAHAHAHAHA So Coleman NEVER beat Yates even after competing against him a bunch of times. He then admits that he would never beat him even at his peak and Yates was better than him.
Sounds like you want to argue a case that even your idol doesn't agree with. LOL.
Dorianowned.
BOOOOMMM
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Who cares about wrinkles? You seem like as much of a f.aggot as Earl who also rates mr olympias by which one he wants to fuck him up the ass ::)
How many times did Ronnie beat Yates? Answer the question. They competed a lot against each other. How many times did Ronnie beat Yates?
Listen you cock sucking twink, put a cork in your bullshit already ;D
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Balance & proportion are most certainly the 'same thing' you're an idiot because you didn't crush nothing in fact you crushed yourself because you haven't done shit to prove they are different. again how can you be involved in a debate when you don't even know what you're talking about? YOU CAN'T you're not in the game even when things are explained to you stupidity and pride prevent you from learning.
And same with the topic of conditioning you'd have to know what constitutes great conditioning in order to comment who has better conditioning , again you're speaking on topics which you don't know much about.
I've posted pics, video, eye-witness testimony, and used knowledge of anatomy and physiology. All you have is a quote from one guy who 'thinks' no bodybuilder has ever been "harder" than Dorian. Come back when you actually have material.
I already countered this by showing that definition is positively correlated with a decrease in body fat and water levels. For your argument to carry any weight, you would have to demonstrate that Dorian is the exception to the rule which is impossible since it would mean he defies human anatomy and physiology.
ha ha ha, your arguments are lame. All you do is say "anything contrary to my opinion is just plain f*cking dumb." Wow, really? Great argument there, idiot. ::)
Balance & proportion are most certainly the 'same thing' you're an idiot because you didn't crush nothing in fact you crushed yourself because you haven't done shit to prove they are different. again how can you be involved in a debate when you don't even know what you're talking about? YOU CAN'T you're not in the game even when things are explained to you stupidity and pride prevent you from learning.
yeah I thought so , keep trying to follow my leader kid its all you can do
And same with the topic of conditioning you'd have to know what constitutes great conditioning in order to comment who has better conditioning , again you're speaking on topics which you don't know much about.
see above ;)
I've posted pics, video, eye-witness testimony, and used knowledge of anatomy and physiology. All you have is a quote from one guy who 'thinks' no bodybuilder has ever been "harder" than Dorian. Come back when you actually have material.
a guy lmfao who thinks , lets see who would be right a guy with 40+ years of bodybuilding experience or some fan boy who is a " Certified Personal Trainer " LMFAO someone who was at all said contests or some dummy looking at pictures lmfao you're going to tell eyewitnesses they're wrong and you're right , case closed and FYI Dorian Yates is an IFBB judge he;s stated on a few occasions he's better conditioned than Ronnie ......next
I already countered this by showing that definition is positively correlated with a decrease in body fat and water levels. For your argument to carry any weight, you would have to demonstrate that Dorian is the exception to the rule which is impossible since it would mean he defies human anatomy and physiology.
I said striations are PARTLY genetic dummy no shit you'd have to be well conditioned to see them so naturally definition is correlated to a decrease in bodyfat and water levels you're countering a point NO ONE is arguing , and I've said many , many times Ronnie probably matched yates in the conditioning department ONLY at his lightest so either way you're fucked to say he surpassed it is ignorant and stupid especially considering you never even seen them live and in person and basing your opinion on a faulty means with ignorance as your guide lmfao
ha ha ha, your arguments are lame. All you do is say "anything contrary to my opinion is just plain f*cking dumb." Wow, really? Great argument there, idiot. ::)
Lame? my argument is based on the Official IFBB judging criteria , my argument hasn't changed and you and no other dummy can counter it , Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better muscle balance & proportion ( two separate entities BTW ;) ) better density & dryness , better bulk ( depending on the year ) and he's also a better technical poser and has better presentation , you can't counter this and never could and I proved that Yates is all of the above directly compared to Ronnie , you've done ZERO
Again I'm not debating with you , you'd have to know what you're talking about to be part of a debate and you have proven time and time again you are ignorant ;)
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The guy you're arguing for thinks your argument is shit . HAHAHAHHAHA LMAO.
Right on the money ! Great Post !
The " Great bodybuilder ever " says he couldn't beat Yates he knows more than his ball-lickers
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Who cares about wrinkles? You seem like as much of a f.aggot as Earl who also rates mr olympias by which one he wants to fuck him up the ass ::)
How many times did Ronnie beat Yates? Answer the question. They competed a lot against each other. How many times did Ronnie beat Yates?
haha sure i defend a different bodybuilder so that means i want to fuck him ::)
you're just another ugly bodybuilder, yates is a hero to all ugly bodybuilders
and the "how many times did ronnie beat yates" argument is retarded because ronnie wasn't quite ronnie when they competed against each other
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agreed.
what ND and his bitch(es) fail to realize is that Ronnie 99 was so good he doesn't even have to be in contest shape to beat the best dorian ever offered: his black and white 93 shots, professionally done and all:
in contest day shape, the massacre would have been even worse than it was:
LMFAO Ronnie KNOW he couldn't beat Yates , he's says so on three separate occasions his words silence yours ;)
Dorian better balance & proportion
Dorian better density & dryness
Dorian more muscular bulk
Dorian better posing & presentation
Dorian more complete
Dorian = winner over Ronnie like so many times before ;)
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ronnie kills dorian
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at this point as an actor yes
as a bodybuilder, if we went by the judging criteria YOU OFTEN BRING UP he gets killed by Mr. Levrone
you only use the judging criteria argument to support your argument ::)
owned again 8)
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NOT Natural he doesn't Reeves kills him , again its impossible to compare the two because 50 years separates them however we've seen what Kevin looks like off the sauce and Reeves murders him
so keep claiming hollow victories because without the use of any drugs or modern supplements Reeves was 6'1" 215 pounds , had a 29" waist and arms . neck and calves all the exact same size , proportions a drug free Levrone couldn't match on or off
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ronnie kills dorian
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LMFAO just like Levrone killed Dorian too , you sound like the rest of the losers , you all stick together because thats all you have in common lol
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NOT Natural he doesn't Reeves kills him , again its impossible to compare the two because 50 years separates them however we've seen what Kevin looks like off the sauce and Reeves murders him
so keep claiming hollow victories because without the use of any drugs or modern supplements Reeves was 6'1" 215 pounds , had a 29" waist and arms . neck and calves all the exact same size , proportions a drug free Levrone couldn't match on or off
it's easy to kill a guy that doesn't train or diet
and without drugs or modern supplements reeves couldn't be on the cover of muscle and fitness so who cares about his proportions
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LMFAO just like Levrone killed Dorian too , you sound like the rest of the losers , you all stick together because thats all you have in common lol
right anybody that disagrees with your idiotic opinions is a loser ::)
you have two well known losers like sweet muscles and suckmymuscle supporting dorian, so much for that ;D
and with your post count you are in no position to call anybody a loser :-*
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it's easy to kill a guy that doesn't train or diet
and without drugs or modern supplements reeves couldn't be on the cover of muscle and fitness so who cares about his proportions
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Reeves is still heralded as one of the best ever , his strutcure and proportion are STILL UNMATCHED to this day , please show me one single guy 6'1" with a 29" waist please do and I'll be waiting , how arms , neck and calves all the same size .
and he did train & diet for his first role and he still didn't look as great as Reeves
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Reeves is still heralded as one of the best ever , his strutcure and proportion are STILL UNMATCHED to this day , please show me one single guy 6'1" with a 29" waist please do and I'll be waiting , how arms , neck and calves all the same size .
and he did train & diet for his first role and he still didn't look as great as Reeves
yes he was great for his time, do you think babe ruth would've been as great if he competed today?
yes for his first role 5 years ago he trained and he looked superior to reeves, in my opinion 8)
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right anybody that disagrees with your idiotic opinions is a loser ::)
you have two well known losers like sweet muscles and suckmymuscle supporting dorian, so much for that ;D
and with your post count you are in no position to call anybody a loser :-*
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No what makes you a loser is your blaming everyone and everything for your hero not being good enough to close the deal instead of seeing the obvious , he just wasn't good enough and also I mean by losers is that all your heros got crushed under the weight of Dorian's dominance
and what else make you a clear loser is the lengths you go to to defend Levrone and that half black , half amazing lmfao that has loser written all over it , I'm objectibe and unbiased I said Yates should have lost in 1997 and he's not even my favorite bodybuilder but my point stands Dorian would beat Ronnie because the criteria favors him , just like it did when he crushed Kevin and Ray and Flex , etc , etc , etc
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yes he was great for his time, do you think babe ruth would've been as great if he competed today?
yes for his first role 5 years ago he trained and he looked superior to reeves, in my opinion 8)
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Reeves is great for ANY time , again please show me one single guy 6'1" with a 29" waist and arms , neck and calves all the same size , I'm waiting
and for his first role its very safe to assume he was using a maintence dose and he still didn't come close to Reeves and your opinion is biased and ignorant so we'll just laugh at your opinion :D
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do the dorian nuthuggers realize that Ronnie has publicly stated (after winning the 99 olympia) that he took his physique to a whole different level than dorian did? (and of course we can see this quite clearly with all the pics and videos)
it doesn't look like it you realize this.
you guys should really get your facts straight and be 'in the know' before you argue this stuff.
you are making fools of yourselves..
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ND, you can't reason with Earl on this.
All he ever does is talk about Dorian's face. For him bodybuilding is a sexual thing and he rates the bodybuilders on attractiveness. There are lots like him and they fail to realize that it is a physique contest, not a beauty contest or something to jerk off to. He only ever appeals to the attractiveness of men, nothing to do with physiques. He doesn't appeal to facts like usually the guy with the best mass to condition ratio wins, he talks about faces and who looks the nicest.
He is a nice guy but clearly a middle-aged gay guy who has a crush on Levrone . You will never help him understand why Dorian beat his boy because for him he would rather that Kevin fuck his ass than Dorian, and when you got a guy like that, you can't reason with him. His lust for Levrone will override his critical thinking faculties.
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do the dorian nuthuggers realize that Ronnie has publicly stated (after winning the 99 olympia) that he took his physique to a whole different level than dorian did? (and of course we can see this quite clearly with all the pics and videos)
it doesn't look like it you realize this.
you guys should really get your facts straight and be 'in the know' before you argue this stuff.
you are making fools of yourselves..
LMFAO more made up quotes? this is the first time you ever tried this gem lol he's said THREE times he couldn't beat Yates , your own hero shits on your argument , he FEARED Dorian for a very good reason
Hulkster = loser
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No what makes you a loser is your blaming everyone and everything for your hero not being good enough to close the deal instead of seeing the obvious , he just wasn't good enough and also I mean by losers is that all your heros got crushed under the weight of Dorian's dominance
and what else make you a clear loser is the lengths you go to to defend Levrone and that half black , half amazing lmfao that has loser written all over it , I'm objectibe and unbiased I said Yates should have lost in 1997 and he's not even my favorite bodybuilder but my point stands Dorian would beat Ronnie because the criteria favors him , just like it did when he crushed Kevin and Ray and Flex , etc , etc , etc
i see that dorian's physique was the beginning of the end for bodybuilding, only a loser like yourself wouldn't see that
my sig was a joke since day one, you and "suckmymuscle" are the only ones dumb enough to think i am serious hahahaha ;D
"happiness is a warm gun"
that's more than a beatles lyric to you, maybe you should step away from getbig for once and talk to somebody to get the help you need :'(
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ND, you can't reason with Earl on this.
All he ever does is talk about Dorian's face. For him bodybuilding is a sexual thing and he rates the bodybuilders on attractiveness. There are lots like him and they fail to realize that it is a physique contest, not a beauty contest or something to jerk off to. He only ever appeals to the attractiveness of men, nothing to do with physiques. He doesn't appeal to facts like usually the guy with the best mass to condition ratio wins, he talks about faces and who looks the nicest.
He is a nice guy but clearly a middle-aged gay guy who has a crush on Levrone . You will never help him understand why Dorian beat his boy because for him he would rather that Kevin fuck his ass than Dorian, and when you got a guy like that, you can't reason with him. His lust for Levrone will override his critical thinking faculties.
Yeah I noticed that as well , no where in the judging criteria does it say anything about facial beauty LMFAO mens beauty is important to Earl lol
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Reeves is great for ANY time , again please show me one single guy 6'1" with a 29" waist and arms , neck and calves all the same size , I'm waiting
and for his first role its very safe to assume he was using a maintence dose and he still didn't come close to Reeves and your opinion is biased and ignorant so we'll just laugh at your opinion :D
who gives a shit about his proportions, for the millionth time if you aren't good enough to be on the cover of muscle and fitness you aren't anythng special
you have no proof he was on a maintenance dose, either way he killed reeves and i'm not the one that thinks happiness is a warm gun, so who is doing all the laughing? ;)
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i see that dorian's physique was the beginning of the end for bodybuilding, only a loser like yourself wouldn't see that
my sig was a joke since day one, you and "suckmymuscle" are the only ones dumb enough to think i am serious hahahaha ;D
"happiness is a warm gun"
that's more than a beatles lyric to you, maybe you should step away from getbig for once and talk to somebody to get the help you need :'(
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Jesus Christ Levrone the savior of bodybuilding LMFAO Earl all you have is excuses , Dorian 1998 OUT OF THE PICTURE no excuses now he couldn't close the deal with Ronnie , or Flex , see a pattern here ? Yates wasn't the problem Earl , Kevin was ;)
and oh no I need to get out more often lol now you're reduced to making assumptions , what else can you do? like Kevin you're taking a beating left & right
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LMFAO more made up quotes? this is the first time you ever tried this gem lol he's said THREE times he couldn't beat Yates , your own hero shits on your argument , he FEARED Dorian for a very good reason
Hulkster = loser
sigh.
you are so fucking stupid: ::)
and this has been posted before but as always you are too stupid to read..
Question: Who would win if you and Dorian Yates were competing at the same Mr. Olympia right now?
Ronnie: It’s kinda hard to say ‘cause Dorian, when he won, took the sport to kinda like another level. And at the time that he did that I don’t think my bodybuilding would have allowed me to do that. You have to take in age and determination and all that kind of stuff. It’s hard to say who would win if he (Dorian) was still competing. I went to a different level to just like he did
from his victory seminar following his 99 olympia win.
if you hadn't chickened out from the truce thread that you lost, you might have known this.
I enjoy educating you.
you are so far behind in your bodybuilding knowledge and ability to asess physiques it is scary..
luckily, the rest of getbig and myself are here to correct and teach you.
simpleton.
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who gives a shit about his proportions, for the millionth time if you aren't good enough to be on the cover of muscle and fitness you aren't anythng special
you have no proof he was on a maintenance dose, either way he killed reeves and i'm not the one that thinks happiness is a warm gun, so who is doing all the laughing? ;)
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FYI Earl the judges care about proportions its in the Official Criteria ;) and again if you think he couldn't make the cover of M&F you're just showing your ignorance which is ok :)
and you have NO proof he wasn't ;) either way he couldn't touch Reeves as a bodybuilder or an actor , Levrone was a great bodybuilder although he couldn't win the one that matters most , Reeves won every major contest he ever entered , Levrone straight to DVD movies and Showtime 2a.m. specials , Reeves highest paid actor in the world at one point , as usual you're working with nothing
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ND, you can't reason with Earl on this.
All he ever does is talk about Dorian's face. For him bodybuilding is a sexual thing and he rates the bodybuilders on attractiveness. There are lots like him and they fail to realize that it is a physique contest, not a beauty contest or something to jerk off to. He only ever appeals to the attractiveness of men, nothing to do with physiques. He doesn't appeal to facts like usually the guy with the best mass to condition ratio wins, he talks about faces and who looks the nicest.
He is a nice guy but clearly a middle-aged gay guy who has a crush on Levrone . You will never help him understand why Dorian beat his boy because for him he would rather that Kevin fuck his ass than Dorian, and when you got a guy like that, you can't reason with him. His lust for Levrone will override his critical thinking faculties.
actually i always said dorian was ugly from head to toe, guess i "always" talk about his feet too ::)
i just don't think a guy that is built like a truch driver should've been mr. olympia all because he was big and had good conditoning
and why is it gay to defend Mr. Levrone but not gay to defend dorian, are you in 6th grade or what ???
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notice how Ronnie says "my bodybuilding would not have allowed me to do that'
he says what we all say and know: he was no where near his peak when he faced dorian.
he hit his peak (and shot way past the level that dorian achieved) after dorian had retired.
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sigh.
you are so fucking stupid: ::)
and this has been posted before but as always you are too stupid to read..
from his victory seminar following his 99 olympia win.
if you hadn't chickened out from the truce thread that you lost, you might have known this.
I enjoy educating you.
you are so far behind in your bodybuilding knowledge and ability to asess physiques it is scary..
luckily, the rest of getbig and myself are here to correct and teach you.
simpleton.
LMFAO where does he say he would beat Yates? where? NO WHERE dummy
do I really need to crack out the quotes where he clearly states he couldn't? ;)
teach me what? that Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian? and teach me Yates should have lost the 1993 Olympia to Flex and the 1997 to Ronnie? LMMFAO or Dorian lost in 1994 but Ronnie dominated in 2001 Olympia?
you're a tool and Dorian and I own your mind ;)
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Jesus Christ Levrone the savior of bodybuilding LMFAO Earl all you have is excuses , Dorian 1998 OUT OF THE PICTURE no excuses now he couldn't close the deal with Ronnie , or Flex , see a pattern here ? Yates wasn't the problem Earl , Kevin was ;)
and oh no I need to get out more often lol now you're reduced to making assumptions , what else can you do? like Kevin you're taking a beating left & right
i told you NUMEROUS times i preferred his early 90's physique, ronnie deserved to win in 98 and he was a far greater mr. o than dorian
i didn't make assumptions until you did, don't twist the argument around to fend off the ownings 8)
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FYI Earl the judges care about proportions its in the Official Criteria ;) and again if you think he couldn't make the cover of M&F you're just showing your ignorance which is ok :)
and you have NO proof he wasn't ;) either way he couldn't touch Reeves as a bodybuilder or an actor , Levrone was a great bodybuilder although he couldn't win the one that matters most , Reeves won every major contest he ever entered , Levrone straight to DVD movies and Showtime 2a.m. specials , Reeves highest paid actor in the world at one point , as usual you're working with nothing
they also care about size and conditioning, funny how you forget that when it goes against your argument ;)
reeves competed against little competiton in comparison to mr. levrone in bodybuilding and movies
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notice how Ronnie says "my bodybuilding would not have allowed me to do that'
he says what we all say and know: he was no where near his peak when he faced dorian.
he hit his peak (and shot way past the level that dorian achieved) after dorian had retired.
LMMFAO
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
peak Ronnie DUMMY ;)
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
1999 Mr Olympia DUMMY
2007 he said Dorian would have beat him as well , shall I continue? ALL these quotes are AFTER Yates retired .....Hulkster = biggest dummy on GetBig
Ronnie said MANY time he wouldn't beat Yates , Ronnie shits on your argument ;)
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ever think ronnie was being humble and trying to come off as a nice down to earth guy ::)
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i told you NUMEROUS times i preferred his early 90's physique, ronnie deserved to win in 98 and he was a far greater mr. o than dorian
i didn't make assumptions until you did, don't twist the argument around to fend off the ownings 8)
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It doesn't matter what YOU prefer bottom line is Kevin couldn't beat Dorian or Ronnie all you have is excuses , save them
and again you have NO proof he wasn't go we'll both guess and as far as who is clearly the more educated of then two on the subject at hand its safe to assume which one of us is right ;)
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ever think ronnie was being humble and trying to come off as a nice down to earth guy ::)
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WOW never heard that excuses before LMMFAO Hulkster , Neo , pumpster , etc , etc , etc old news
ever think he was being HONEST? ;)
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Nice try Earl but when I said to you recently that you wouldn't like Levrone if he was ugly, you agreed and said that looks are important. You can't deny this, I can find the post if you really want.
You judge bodybuilders by their facial features and that is nothing to do with contests. It's not a beauty contest or male attractiveness contest.
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WOW never heard that excuses before LMMFAO Hulkster , Neo , pumpster , etc , etc , etc old news
ever think he was being HONEST? ;)
Mr. Levrone was being honest when he said he should've won each year he got 2nd place 8)
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they also care about size and conditioning, funny how you forget that when it goes against your argument ;)
reeves competed against little competiton in comparison to mr. levrone in bodybuilding and movies
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I know what they care about and funny you mention that because thats the exact same reasons Levrone always lost to Yates ;) I'm not saying for one moment Reeves would beat a mid 90s Levrone , what I am saying is that when all things are equal Levrone doesn't have the genetics to beat a Reeves ;)
and who cares what little competition Reeves competed against , more guys interested in the sport now and days thanks in part to Reeves himself and movies is another story he was the highest paid actor for a reason
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Mr. Levrone was being honest when he said he should've won each year he got 2nd place 8)
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I don't ever recall Kevin saying he should have beat Dorian , maybe he did say that but what does that mean? its true? lol Levrone was a great bodybuilder and he still couldn't beat Yates even if you thought so , I know for a fact he said he should have beat Ronnie twice
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Nice try Earl but when I said to you recently that you wouldn't like Levrone if he was ugly, you agreed and said that looks are important. You can't deny this, I can find the post if you really want.
You judge bodybuilders by their facial features and that is nothing to do with contests. It's not a beauty contest or male attractiveness contest.
i'm not denying it the face should count if you want the sport to be marketable and i don't know MAKE MONEY
many bodybuilders had a good face but Mr. Levrone had the best body and arguably one of the better faces of his era 8)
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Nice try Earl but when I said to you recently that you wouldn't like Levrone if he was ugly, you agreed and said that looks are important. You can't deny this, I can find the post if you really want.
You judge bodybuilders by their facial features and that is nothing to do with contests. It's not a beauty contest or male attractiveness contest.
LMFAO Earlooooowwwwned
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i'm not denying it the face should count if you want the sport to be marketable and i don't know MAKE MONEY
many bodybuilders had a good face but Mr. Levrone had the best body and arguably one of the better faces of his era 8)
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See Loser Earl lol
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I don't ever recall Kevin saying he should have beat Dorian , maybe he did say that but what does that mean? its true? lol Levrone was a great bodybuilder and he still couldn't beat Yates even if you thought so , I know for a fact he said he should have beat Ronnie twice
it means just as much as ronnie claiming dorian would've beat him
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I know what they care about and funny you mention that because thats the exact same reasons Levrone always lost to Yates ;) I'm not saying for one moment Reeves would beat a mid 90s Levrone , what I am saying is that when all things are equal Levrone doesn't have the genetics to beat a Reeves ;)
and who cares what little competition Reeves competed against , more guys interested in the sport now and days thanks in part to Reeves himself and movies is another story he was the highest paid actor for a reason
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WOW never heard that excuses before LMMFAO Hulkster , Neo , pumpster , etc , etc , etc old news
ever think he was being HONEST? ;)
ever think he was WRONG?:
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thats your problem ND. its why so many on the board own your ass time after time in thread after thread.
you quote opinions that are contradicted by real life all the time:
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Dorian was perhaps the least deserving Mr O ever............well next to that reject JawCutler.
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it means just as much as ronnie claiming dorian would've beat him
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Ronnie feared Dorian for a reason , Yates did beat him after all right times ;) Ronnie knows his place in the scheme of things , I'm sure Kevin learned too
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LMFAO Earlooooowwwwned
if that helps you sleep better after the ownings i've given you haha
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Dorian was perhaps the least deserving Mr O ever............well next to that reject JawCutler.
true.
ND should learn this.
the board is trying to teach him, but he is just too damn stupid.. :-\
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Ronnie feared Dorian for a reason , Yates did beat him after all right times ;) Ronnie knows his place in the scheme of things , I'm sure Kevin learned too
yeah he feared him, he knew the judges strangely liked an ugly truck driver type of physique
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Ronnie feared Dorian for a reason
more like dorian retired because of Ronnie coming up the ranks: hell Ronnie 97 can still crush Doughian
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ever think he was WRONG?:
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thats your problem ND. its why so many on the board own your ass time after time in thread after thread.
you quote opinions that are contradicted by real life all the time:
NO I never thought he was wrong , just honest ;) unlike you dummies Ronnie has a ton of respect for Yates , Yates earned that respect from his contemporaries I'll take what he says on this topic a lot more seriously than what his delusional ball-licking fan-boys do
and ' real life ' isn't photographs on an internet message board dummy , real life is how Ronnie came to the conclusion he wouldn't be able to beat Yates ;) experience actually seeing Yates live and in person ;)
Your hero owns you and no matter now many empty internet-message-board ownings you think you have NOTHING changes this fact .
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more like dorian retired because of Ronnie coming up the ranks: hell Ronnie 97 can still crush Doughian
Yes he retired because Ronnie should have beat him in 1997 LMMFAO
when people see you type this nonsense they come to the same conclusion I did a LONG time ago , wanna guess what that is? ;)
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yeah he feared him, he knew the judges strangely liked an ugly truck driver type of physique
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how dare you say that. he was NOT a truck driver type of physique.
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he was a construction worker type physique 8)
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yeah he feared him, he knew the judges strangely liked an ugly truck driver type of physique
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Hey Hulkster used that excuse too , brillant minds think alike huh? lol
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more like dorian retired because of Ronnie coming up the ranks: hell Ronnie 97 can still crush Doughian
colemOWNED 8)
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true.
ND should learn this.
the board is trying to teach him, but he is just too damn stupid.. :-\
Wow I guess you guys need to teach Ronnie this as well , he seems to disagree with you
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Hey Hulkster used that excuse too , brillant minds think alike huh? lol
or people with two working eyes ;)
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colemOWNED 8)
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he was owned that year previous year he was 7th next year back down to 9th lol
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or people with two working eyes ;)
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or biased losers whos heros got crushed by Yates ;)
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These are screencaps taken from the 1994 British Champs that Dorian guest posed at,which was 2 weeks after the Olympia.Given that he was competing around the 265 mark,its safe to say he would have been about 280 at this show.
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more like dorian retired because of Ronnie coming up the ranks: hell Ronnie 97 can still crush Doughian
So you're now saying Dorian 1995 would have lost to Ronnie 1997? please tell me this is true?
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ever notice how people (dorian nuthuggers) are always trying to come up with excuses when faced with billions of pics and vids of dorian getting owned.
when you step back and look at the big picture, its astounding that a Mr. O that recieved so many perfect scores could have SO MANY shots of him getting crushed from so many people..
and it didn't matter whether he was in his best shape or not the result is still the same (see the multitude of shot of dorian 95 being crushed)
Now, pretty much everyone with even half a brain knows why this occurs (and never occured when Ronnie or Haney were at their bests):
bad judging.
BUT what explanation do the nuthuggers give for this dubious phenomenon that only dorian seems to have had?
answer please LOL
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or biased losers whos heros got crushed by Yates ;)
this is what i would think if the "biased losers" owned me 8)
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So you're now saying Dorian 1995 would have lost to Ronnie 1997? please tell me this is true?
no, I am merely illustrating that even a pre MR. O. ronnie can still crush dorian at his best in certain shots.
and ronnie was nowhere near his best in the shot I posted.. dorian was.
its quite simple really.
but you were too dumb so the point when right over your empty head.. :-\
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no, I am merely illustrating that even a pre MR. O. ronnie can still crush dorian at his best in certain shots.
and ronnie was nowhere near his best in the shot I posted.. dorian was.
its quite simple really.
but you were too dumb so the point when right over your empty head.. :-\
LMFAO you seriously have the balls to type Ronnie 1997 is beating Dorian 1995 in ANY shot shows how fucking dense you are , this one my very dumb friend is another keeper LMFAO
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ever notice how people (dorian nuthuggers) are always trying to come up with excuses when faced with billions of pics and vids of dorian getting owned.
when you step back and look at the big picture, its astounding that a Mr. O that recieved so many perfect scores could have SO MANY shots of him getting crushed from so many people..
and it didn't matter whether he was in his best shape or not the result is still the same (see the multitude of shot of dorian 95 being crushed)
Now, pretty much everyone with even half a brain knows why this occurs (and never occured when Ronnie or Haney were at their bests):
bad judging.
BUT what explanation do the nuthuggers give for this dubious phenomenon that only dorian seems to have had?
answer please LOL
Hulkster with the default excuses , the sad fact is you can't look beyond your own ignorance , bias and preferences and seek out every available excuses , again Ronnie wouldn't claim the nonsense you do what does that tell you?
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this is what i would think if the "biased losers" owned me 8)
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You think contests should take into account mens beauty lol your train of thought leaves a LOT to be desired
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more like dorian retired because of Ronnie coming up the ranks: hell Ronnie 97 can still crush Doughian
Man you really , really fucked up on this one lol you post a shot of Ronnie 1997 and Yates 1995 Olympia and have the balls to claim Yates is getting crushed LOL
like the calves comment this one will haunt you lol
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Hulkster with the default excuses , the sad fact is you can't look beyond your own ignorance , bias and preferences and seek out every available excuses , again Ronnie wouldn't claim the nonsense you do what does that tell you?
you ignored (ie ran away as usual) the question.
why does dorian get owned all the time in so many shots and none of the other Mr. O's did at their bests?
only dorian.
explain please.
every other day it seems there are threads showing this phenomenon.
We would love to hear your thoughts on this phenomenon LOL
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Man you really , really fucked up on this one lol you post a shot of Ronnie 1997 and Yates 1995 Olympia and have the balls to claim Yates is getting crushed LOL
like the calves comment this one will haunt you lol
you are the only person who thinks dorian is winning that comparison.
just so you know.
haunt me? fuck no.
show your ignorance?
hell yes.
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you ignored (ie ran away as usual) the question.
why does dorian get owned all the time in so many shots and none of the other Mr. O's did at their bests?
only dorian.
explain please.
every other day it seems there are threads showing this phenomenon.
We would love to hear your thoughts on this phenomenon LOL
Dorian isn't getting OWNED shit thats YOUR interpretation and its a well established FACT you're ignorant , biased and flat out stupid , you see what you want and what YOU think is winning a pose old news which brag you to the conclusion Dorian 1995 gets crushed by Ronnie 1997 LMMFAO case closed
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you are the only person who thinks dorian is winning that comparison.
just so you know.
haunt me? fuck no.
show your ignorance?
hell yes.
Hulkster you really , really fucked up LMFAO if it is like you say and Ronnie is crushing Dorian 1995 how did he place 9th in 1997? Dorian was way off his 1995 form LOL explain that one dummy ;)
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Hulkster if you ever speak to Coleman, please ask Ronnie what his thoughts were about Dorian. Ronnie will tell you that Yates was an awesome bodybuilder who dominated the sport during his competitive years.
Ronnie doesnt diss Yates like you. You and Ronnie have very little in common. He liked Yates. He always complimented him, and vice versa.
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Hulkster if you ever speak to Coleman, please ask Ronnie what his thoughts were about Dorian. Ronnie will tell you that Yates was an awesome bodybuilder who dominated the sport during his competitive years.
Ronnie doesnt diss Yates like you. You and Ronnie have very little in common. He liked Yates. He always complimented him, and vice versa.
Great post ! Ronnie does respect Yates and He respects Ronnie , the length this kid goes is pure bias and ignorance
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You think contests should take into account mens beauty lol your train of thought leaves a LOT to be desired
the face should count for something
it's a moot point anyways because Mr. Levrone had the best body
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how dare you say that. he was NOT a truck driver type of physique.
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he was a construction worker type physique 8)
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the face should count for something
it's a moot point anyways because Mr. Levrone had the best body
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NO he never had the best body by the people who judged the contests , sorry you're wrong as usual
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Hulkster if you ever speak to Coleman, please ask Ronnie what his thoughts were about Dorian. Ronnie will tell you that Yates was an awesome bodybuilder who dominated the sport during his competitive years.
Ronnie doesnt diss Yates like you. You and Ronnie have very little in common. He liked Yates. He always complimented him, and vice versa.
he would say the same about larry scott
doesn't mean he truly thinks he is a better bodybuilder
did the internet dating scene work out for you?
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NO he never had the best body by the people who judged the contests , sorry you're wrong as usual
yes like i said before they liked the ugly truck driver or construction worker type physique
and you thought he had a better body ;D ;D ;D
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he would say the same about larry scott
doesn't mean he truly thinks he is a better bodybuilder
did the internet dating scene work out for you?
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No big difference , Yates wasn't 40 years before Ronnie
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yes like i said before they liked the ugly truck driver or construction worker type physique
and you thought he had a better body ;D ;D ;D
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They also like someone with balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation , muscular bulk etc , to bad Levrone couldn't bring that all in one package maybe he would have done better , the judges can only judge what shows up on stage that particular day , don't fault them for Levrone's shortcomings
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No big difference , Yates wasn't 40 years before Ronnie
the point is he would have nothing but nice things to say about all of them
you know this but it goes against your "ronnie thinks dorian was better" argument and you are trying to avoid another owning :D
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They also like someone with balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation , muscular bulk etc , to bad Levrone couldn't bring that all in one package maybe he would have done better , the judges can only judge what shows up on stage that particular day , don't fault them for Levrone's shortcomings
what balance and proportion did dorian have?
a missing arm, shallow chest, calves too big for his oddly shaped quads
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the point is he would have nothing but nice things to say about all of them
you know this but it goes against your "ronnie thinks dorian was better" argument and you are trying to avoid another owning :D
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NO the difference is Earl , Scott never beat Ronnie , Yates did ;) sure he will have nice things to say however Ronnie competed against Yates , saw what he can do knows how great he is and if he says he doesn't think Yates would lose that says a lot
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NO the difference is Earl , Scott never beat Ronnie , Yates did ;) sure he will have nice things to say however Ronnie competed against Yates , saw what he can do knows how great he is and if he says he doesn't think Yates would lose that says a lot
he beat ronnie when ronnie wasn't ronnie
as far as i know dorian never beat momo so by your "genius" logic momo was the better bodybuilder ::)
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what balance and proportion did dorian have?
a missing arm, shallow chest, calves too big for his oddly shaped quads
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missing arm my ass , one bicep shorter than the other nice try though see objective oppps you can't ;) shallow chest? WTF? lol it could be worse it could be a torn one . calves are in proportion with his quads , no wonder why you think Levrone should have won you don't know the first thing about physique assessment ;)
see torso length , see leg length , see forearms that are in proportion with the biceps/triceps , see quads in proportion with the calves , now couple that with clear cut advantages in conditioning , size , posing , etc , etc , etc its obvious Levrone was no challenge to Yates
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he beat ronnie when ronnie wasn't ronnie
as far as i know dorian never beat momo so by your "genius" logic momo was the better bodybuilder ::)
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Dorian wasn't Dorian when he beat Ronnie either ;) he tore his bicep in 94 first Olympia for Ronnie
Dorian did Momo as well 1991 Olympia and ON , but Ronnie after he won the Olympia said he couldn't beat yates , so I'm not talking about the years they competed against each other , however Ronnie really came into his own in 1996
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missing arm my ass , one bicep shorter than the other nice try though see objective oppps you can't ;) shallow chest? WTF? lol it could be worse it could be a torn one . calves are in proportion with his quads , no wonder why you think Levrone should have won you don't know the first thing about physique assessment ;)
see torso length , see leg length , see forearms that are in proportion with the biceps/triceps , see quads in proportion with the calves , now couple that with clear cut advantages in conditioning , size , posing , etc , etc , etc its obvious Levrone was no challenge to Yates
everybodyother than you points points out his torn arm, did yates get you out of debt or do you just have a "thing" for him?
show me one pic where Mr. Levrone's torn chest detracts from his physique
and if you clearly think dorian had so many advantages why on earth would you rather look like Mr. Levrone? ???
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Dorian wasn't Dorian when he beat Ronnie either ;) he tore his bicep in 94 first Olympia for Ronnie
Dorian did Momo as well 1991 Olympia and ON , but Ronnie after he won the Olympia said he couldn't beat yates , so I'm not talking about the years they competed against each other , however Ronnie really came into his own in 1996
comparing dorian to a young coleman is beyond retarded ::)
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everybodyother than you points points out his torn arm, did yates get you out of debt or do you just have a "thing" for him?
show me one pic where Mr. Levrone's torn chest detracts from his physique
and if you clearly think dorian had so many advantages why on earth would you rather look like Mr. Levrone? ???
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Again Lervone is the lesser of two evils I would rather look like Reeves than Levrone and Samir than Levrone
a torn bicep is a tad different than a ' missing arm ' but again it shows your bias its ok for Levrone to have a torn muscle ( a major one at that ) and not ok for Yates see hypocrisy
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Again Lervone is the lesser of two evils I would rather look like Reeves than Levrone and Samir than Levrone
a torn bicep is a tad different than a ' missing arm ' but again it shows your bias its ok for Levrone to have a torn muscle ( a major one at that ) and not ok for Yates see hypocrisy
still waiting for the pic of his torn pec hurting his physique as much as yates' arm hurting him in a front double bicep
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comparing dorian to a young coleman is beyond retarded ::)
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Who is? NO ONE the debate was always Ronnie at his best VS Dorian at his , retarded is not being able to follow the ' debate ' ;) my point was Dorian earned Ronnie's respect over the years and even after he won all of his Olympia titles Ronnie still maintains he couldn't beat Yates that speaks volumes
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Who is? NO ONE the debate was always Ronnie at his best VS Dorian at his , retarded is not being able to follow the ' debate ' ;) my point was Dorian earned Ronnie's respect over the years and even after he won all of his Olympia titles Ronnie still maintains he couldn't beat Yates that speaks volumes
you and sweet muscles
when you say "dorian beat ronnie when they competed against each other" is comparing young ronnie to dorian during his mr. o reign
owned again, too easy 8)
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still waiting for the pic of his torn pec hurting his physique as much as yates' arm hurting him in a front double bicep
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The point still stands its ok for Levrone to have a torn muscle but not Yates , you think it hurts Yates in the front double biceps shot the judges didn't which one of you is right? ;) and in this shot you can clearly see his torn chest , does it effect the overall pose? NO just like Yates didn't either lets not be hypocrites Earl
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hahaha that's the pic you come up with?
surely you aren't comparing yates torn bicep to that, are you?
if anything that looks cool 8)
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
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you and sweet muscles
when you say "dorian beat ronnie when they competed against each other" is comparing young ronnie to dorian during his mr. o reign
owned again, too easy 8)
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Oh boy you don't get a lot , we're point out a fact Dorian did beat Ronnie and statistically he would beat him again just based on that fact , however I've said many times that means nothing , what matters is how does Ronnie feel he would fair post Yates reign ? and we all know how he would feel don't we?
owned nothing see context and stop typing empty ' ownings ' you look foolish but coming from someone who has half black , half amazing something tells me you don't care about looking foolish lol
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hahaha that's the pic you come up with?
surely you aren't comparing yates torn bicep to that, are you?
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
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The tear is noticable thats the bottomline and my point stands does it effect the overall pose? NO but you being the hypocrite you are will say it does for Yates but not for Kevin which is pure bias at its best
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hahaha that's the pic you come up with?
surely you aren't comparing yates torn bicep to that, are you?
if anything that looks cool 8)
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
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and BTW he was third that year ;)
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Oh boy you don't get a lot , we're point out a fact Dorian did beat Ronnie and statistically he would beat him again just based on that fact , however I've said many times that means nothing , what matters is how does Ronnie feel he would fair post Yates reign ? and we all know how he would feel don't we?
owned nothing see context and stop typing empty ' ownings ' you look foolish but coming from someone who has half black , half amazing something tells me you don't care about looking foolish lol
where did you say that many times, in the truce thread? I stopped reading after page 20
funny how you didn't say that meant nothing when sweet muscle brought it up, you only respond to those that are owning you ;D
and my sig is a joke, somebody that think happiness is a warm gun is too sad and fragile to see the humor in it :-\
and it doesn't say "half black" brutal reading skills
maybe your eyes really don't work
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The tear is noticable thats the bottomline and my point stands does it effect the overall pose? NO but you being the hypocrite you are will say it does for Yates but not for Kevin which is pure bias at its best
it's not bias post the pic of yates all oily hitting the front double bicep
tell me with a straight face that his pec looks as bad ::)
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and BTW he was third that year ;)
yes he was royally screwed that year
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where did you say that many times, in the truce thread? I stopped reading after page 20
funny how you didn't say that meant nothing when sweet muscle brought it up, you only respond to those that are owning you ;D
and my sig is a joke, somebody that think happiness is a warm gun is too sad and fragile to see the humor in it :-\
and it doesn't say "half black" brutal reading skills
maybe your eyes really don't work
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Again who cares if Ronnie lost to Yates in the 1990s what matters is how he would fair at his best that was ALWAYS the ' debate ' so you're still out of the loop
and I don't care what your sig says it shows how much I pay attention to you , it doesn't matter is its half Italian or Hlaf Black either way its all gay
and again your hero I'm willing to beat his a huge Beatles fan so I'm sure you'd have no problem with that if he was saying it ;)
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it's not bias post the pic of yates all oily hitting the front double bicep
tell me with a straight face that his pec looks as bad ::)
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Jesus you can't pay attention , I said his tear like Dorians makes NO overall difference , the only thing is you seem to thing so , the judges didn't on both accounts which proves my point
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yes he was royally screwed that year
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Maybe that was the case , or maybe he was holding water in the prejudging ;) it doesn't matter because he wasn't beating Yates , I would be pissed by getting beat by Ray lol
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Again who cares if Ronnie lost to Yates in the 1990s what matters is how he would fair at his best that was ALWAYS the ' debate ' so you're still out of the loop
and I don't care what your sig says it shows how much I pay attention to you , it doesn't matter is its half Italian or Hlaf Black either way its all gay
and again your hero I'm willing to beat his a huge Beatles fan so I'm sure you'd have no problem with that if he was saying it ;)
if i'm out of the loop than so is sweet muscles and you for not correcting him haha
you don't have to care, all you had to do was open your eyes and read, strange concept i know ;)
i don't have a problem with your sig, it's just a sig to me only a miserable loser cough suckmymuscle cough would be bothered by a sig
if you would've chosen "i am the eggman i am the walruss goo goo joo" as your sig i would've thought you were just a beatles fan
to choose "happiness is a warm gun" sounds like a cry for help to me :-\
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Jesus you can't pay attention , I said his tear like Dorians makes NO overall difference , the only thing is you seem to thing so , the judges didn't on both accounts which proves my point
it did make a difference to everybody else with two working eyes
you still think my sig says "half black" haha ;D
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if i'm out of the loop than so is sweet muscles and you for not correcting him haha
you don't have to care, all you had to do was open your eyes and read, strange concept i know ;)
i don't have a problem with your sig, it's just a sig to me only a miserable loser cough suckmymuscle cough would be bothered by a sig
if you would've chosen "i am the eggman i am the walruss goo goo joo" as your sig i would've thought you were just a beatles fan
to choose "happiness is a warm gun" sounds like a cry for help to me :-\
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I don't have a problem with what Sweetmuscles says he's entitled to his opinion it was YOU who lumped me in with him
and I could careless what my sig says to you , a passive Beatles fan would choose the song you listed a real one would choose something more obscure ;)
and if my sig says I'm crying for help what does you say? lol :-X
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it did make a difference to everybody else with two working eyes
you still think my sig says "half black" haha ;D
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My eyes work again I never looked its not that important to me thats the point
Half Italian , Half Amazing his just as gay
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I don't have a problem with what Sweetmuscles says he's entitled to his opinion it was YOU who lumped me in with him
and I could careless what my sig says to you , a passive Beatles fan would choose the song you listed a real one would choose something more obscure ;)
and if my sig says I'm crying for help what does you say? lol :-X
it says i have a sense of humor and i'm not worried about a bunch of anonymous message board geeks calling me a fag 8)
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it says i have a sense of humor and i'm not worried about a bunch of anonymous message board geeks calling me a fag 8)
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Oh I disagree , you took it down once right there shows your full of nonsense ;)
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Oh I disagree , you took it down once right there shows your full of nonsense ;)
i left it up for months last year and then decided to change it
wouldn't you say that people change their sigs quite often here or do you just want to think that i am "full of nonsense" due to the ownings i've dished out?
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i left it up for months last year and then decided to change it
wouldn't you say that people change their sigs quite often here or do you just want to think that i am "full of nonsense" due to the ownings i've dished out?
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ownings lol I'm sure you believe that and thats the sad part , you own yourself often when you type facial beauty should be judged lol
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ownings lol I'm sure you believe that and thats the sad part , you own yourself often when you type facial beauty should be judged lol
yes i own myself when i speak of ways to better market the sport ::)
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yes i own myself when i speak of ways to better market the sport ::)
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lol market the sport , how does prettier men mean better marketing? to whom? the general public thinks Levrone's physique is just as ugly as Yates its a fringe sport and always will be
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Earl, listen very carefully at the 2:40-3:25 mark. Dorian Yates himself explains it perfectly.
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Earl, listen very carefully at the 2:40-3:25 mark. Dorian Yates himself explains it perfectly.
LMFAO exactly what I've always maintained lol fuck me I'm good
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Considering Dorian is actually an IFBB judge he knows his shit
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NO it's not irrelevant Sir NeoSeminole. Firstly, Ronnie competed against Yates a whole bunch of times and was always destroyed by him. In your scenario it would be Sergio retiring after competing only once.
you can stomp your feet and shout like a kid all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that your argument is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if Sergio retired after competing once or 10 times. You cannot compare someone at their prime to someone before their prime and use that to argue superiority, especially when the former quit while the latter was on the ascension. Hence my analogy using Sergio and Arnold. Following your logic, Sergio would be better than Arnold if he retired after his Mr. Olympia victory thus preventing Arnold from ever beating him. This is faulty thinking.
Ronnie never beat Yates and admits he never, ever could beat him, even at his best.
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Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
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lol market the sport , how does prettier men mean better marketing? to whom? the general public thinks Levrone's physique is just as ugly as Yates its a fringe sport and always will be
wrong many people new to the sport see Mr. Levrone's pics and say he looks good
nobody says the same about dorian
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Earl, listen very carefully at the 2:40-3:25 mark. Dorian Yates himself explains it perfectly.
i agree the guy with the best combination of everything should win, which is why i support Kevin Levrone
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a guy lmfao who thinks , lets see who would be right a guy with 40+ years of bodybuilding experience or some fan boy who is a " Certified Personal Trainer " LMFAO someone who was at all said contests or some dummy looking at pictures lmfao you're going to tell eyewitnesses they're wrong and you're right , case closed and FYI Dorian Yates is an IFBB judge he;s stated on a few occasions he's better conditioned than Ronnie ......next
wow, f*ck me you are retarded as hell. Conditioning is determined by body fat and water levels in the body. Since the only way to know for sure is by testing in a lab - which is impractical during competition for obvious reasons - we must rely on visual clues to determine conditioning. This is done by assessing the level of separations and striations in the body. If you have another explanation, I'm all ears but until then your 'evidence' amounts to nothing more than an uneducated opinion.
I said striations are PARTLY genetic dummy no shit you'd have to be well conditioned to see them so naturally definition is correlated to a decrease in bodyfat and water levels you're countering a point NO ONE is arguing , and I've said many , many times Ronnie probably matched yates in the conditioning department ONLY at his lightest so either way you're fucked to say he surpassed it is ignorant and stupid especially considering you never even seen them live and in person and basing your opinion on a faulty means with ignorance as your guide lmfao
I'm still waiting for you to show how Dorian is the exception to the rule. What makes more sense: that Dorian achieved the greatest conditioning of all-time while simultaneously having no definition (a feat that has never been duplicated in history) or his "legendary" conditioning was overrated?
Lame? my argument is based on the Official IFBB judging criteria , my argument hasn't changed and you and no other dummy can counter it , Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better muscle balance & proportion ( two separate entities BTW) ) better density & dryness , better bulk ( depending on the year ) and he's also a better technical poser and has better presentation , you can't counter this and never could and I proved that Yates is all of the above directly compared to Ronnie , you've done ZERO
that's funny, I already showed how 03 Ronnie would beat Dorian using the IFBB criteria. Let's see... Ronnie has better muscular bulk, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness. Dorian has better proportion and density. ::)
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Dorian Yates is the greatest mass monster of all time. He had everything a Mr Olympia should have except for an aesthetically pleasing physique.
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Jesus. The size there is mind boggling.
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Dorian looked a million times better offseason then onstage.
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wow, f*ck me you are retarded as hell. Conditioning is determined by body fat and water levels in the body. Since the only way to know for sure is by testing in a lab - which is impractical during competition for obvious reasons - we must rely on visual clues to determine conditioning. This is done by assessing the level of separations and striations in the body. If you have another explanation, I'm all ears but until then your 'evidence' amounts to nothing more than an uneducated opinion.
I'm still waiting for you to show how Dorian is the exception to the rule. What makes more sense: that Dorian achieved the greatest conditioning of all-time while simultaneously having no definition (a feat that has never been duplicated in history) or his "legendary" conditioning was overrated?
that's funny, I already showed how 03 Ronnie would beat Dorian using the IFBB criteria. Let's see... Ronnie has better muscular bulk, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness. Dorian has better proportion and density. ::)
wow, f*ck me you are retarded as hell. Conditioning is determined by body fat and water levels in the body. Since the only way to know for sure is by testing in a lab - which is impractical during competition for obvious reasons - we must rely on visual clues to determine conditioning. This is done by assessing the level of separations and striations in the body. If you have another explanation, I'm all ears but until then your 'evidence' amounts to nothing more than an uneducated opinion.
Idiot I know what conditioning is and isn't you don't because you can't seem to grasp the concept striations and separations are for the most part genetic OBVIOUSLY you need low bodyfat and thin skin to seem them however not all bodybuildings are genetically inclined to have the same amount , which is exactly why guys like Munzer and Hamdullah Aykutlu had more than anyone else and again you can have striated muscle under a layer of water and thanks for agreeing that we must rely on visual clues to determine conditioning and those visual clues would be ONLY accurate if you were actually at the fucking contest , pictures will NEVER replace being there so right off the bat YOUR opinion is severely limited yet you go right on trying to speak matter of factly telling an well established person who was actually there on all said occasions he's wrong and you're right , massively ignorant and insanely stupid on your behalf traits you've proven prone too , couple that and Dorian Yates who is an IFBB judge by the way saying he's better conditioned than Ronnie and your fan-boy opinion is worth fuck-all
I'm still waiting for you to show how Dorian is the exception to the rule. What makes more sense: that Dorian achieved the greatest conditioning of all-time while simultaneously having no definition (a feat that has never been duplicated in history) or his "legendary" conditioning was overrated?
Who said Yates was the exception to the rule? please show me where I claimed this and I'll be waiting and again YOU and dummy Hulkster keep claiming his conditioning was overrated which is ignorant as it gets so me ONE single quote posting these from anyone of integrity , please do , I'll be waiting for that as well
I've always maintained Ronnie may have matched Dorian for that same bone dry and super hard conditioning at the 2001 or 1998 contests however he could NOT maintain that same conditioning like Dorian at high body weights which is exactly why McGough said while on the topic of conditioning NO ONE did it better than Yates because he could remain bone dry and rock hard without losing fullness , Ronnie the heavier he became the more his conditioning suffered for it , which happens to everyone , however Yates could go much hight and still remain dense thats the difference
that's funny, I already showed how 03 Ronnie would beat Dorian using the IFBB criteria. Let's see... Ronnie has better muscular bulk, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness. Dorian has better proportion and density. ::)
You never showed anything you typed it but that doesn't mean anything , Ronnie has better muscular bulk NO doubt , Dorian has better muscle balance & proportion ( Ronnie's 2003 is at its all-time worse ) Dorian has the clear advantage in DENSITY & DRYNESS , Ronnie was soft compared to his earlier versions nevermind like Yates , posing & presentation , Yates , completeness Yates , 2003 is the worse example to challenge Yates the fact that you think its not shows your ignorance , I hate to break it to you again sport 2003 isn't considered his best BY anyone except fan-boys
to sum up the McGough quote I think a heavier Ronnie would just look soft next to a hard Yates ;) and thats exactly what would happen
Dorian would beat ANY version of Ronnie because he has better dryness and density , better balance & proportion , better posing & presentation and depending on the year he carries more conditioned muscular bulk , oh and he's more complete too , its that simple even for stupid people like you
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wrong many people new to the sport see Mr. Levrone's pics and say he looks good
nobody says the same about dorian
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LMMFAO I don't even want to know how you know this , go support the male fittness industry that seems more like your cup of tea
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i agree the guy with the best combination of everything should win, which is why i support Kevin Levrone
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Thats kevins problem he never could bring that combo to the Olympia stage when it mattered
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Dorian Yates is the greatest mass monster of all time. He had everything a Mr Olympia should have except for an aesthetically pleasing physique.
haha that is exactly why bodybuilding is in the shitter
non existant aesthetics = shitty body
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haha that is exactly why bodybuilding is in the shitter
non existant aesthetics = shitty body
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Again all you have is excuses Dorian retired and Kevin had free reign what did he do with it? NOTHING he became complacent playing Rock Star while Ronnie went balls to the wall and took the Olympia title from Flex and Kevin , blame Kevin for being lazy for the reason the sport is in the shitter ;)
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LMMFAO I don't even want to know how you know this , go support the male fittness industry that seems more like your cup of tea
i know it from listening to people and not only hearing what i want to hear because it goes against my argument ;)
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Thats kevins problem he never could bring that combo to the Olympia stage when it mattered
he brought it since his first olympia
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Again all you have is excuses Dorian retired and Kevin had free reign what did he do with it? NOTHING he became complacent playing Rock Star while Ronnie went balls to the wall and took the Olympia title from Flex and Kevin , blame Kevin for being lazy for the reason the sport is in the shitter ;)
i agree, Kevin didn't have half the heart of Dorian or Ronnie and that's why he never won, with his genetics he should have won many Olympia's.
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i know it from listening to people and not only hearing what i want to hear because it goes against my argument ;)
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I'm glad you and men are discussing Kevin's beauty good for you , tell him to come back and save bodybuilding lol
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Again all you have is excuses Dorian retired and Kevin had free reign what did he do with it? NOTHING he became complacent playing Rock Star while Ronnie went balls to the wall and took the Olympia title from Flex and Kevin , blame Kevin for being lazy for the reason the sport is in the shitter ;)
the downfall of bodybuilding started in 92
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he brought it since his first olympia
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No he didn't Kevin was tiny in 1992 and Yates crushed him with superior density and thickness , every other year he tried to play Yates' game and fell flat on his face , Kevin like Flex was his own worse enemy . stop blaming everyone for his shortcomings
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I'm glad you and men are discussing Kevin's beauty good for you , tell him to come back and save bodybuilding lol
uh i think you discuss other men more than me, look at post counts ;)
i'm talking women too, i've never heard a woman say dorian looked good
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the downfall of bodybuilding started in 92
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Blame Kevin he failed ;)
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No he didn't Kevin was tiny in 1992 and Yates crushed him with superior density and thickness , every other year he tried to play Yates' game and fell flat on his face , Kevin like Flex was his own worse enemy . stop blaming everyone for his shortcomings
Mr. Levrone and bodybuilding as a sport got screwed over in 92
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uh i think you discuss other men more than me, look at post counts ;)
i'm talking women too, i've never heard a woman say dorian looked good
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doubt you'll find too many who think Kevin at 250 looks good either.
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doubt you'll find too many who think Kevin at 250 looks good either.
i have and if the judges didn't start choosing the overloaded drug bodies he never would've felt the need to expand his waistline like yates to get up to 250
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uh i think you discuss other men more than me, look at post counts ;)
i'm talking women too, i've never heard a woman say dorian looked good
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It doesn't matter who says who is better looking , you'll get NO argument from me Dorian wasn't handsome lol bottom line you're arguing over a moot point kevin's face couldn't compensate for his flaws of his physique
and my post count reflects me correcting all the ignorant people like yourself not discussing mens facial beauty
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Blame Kevin he failed ;)
no the judges failed him and the sport
you agree, you would NEVER want to look like yates 8)
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i have and if the judges didn't start choosing the overloaded drug bodies he never would've felt the need to expand his waistline like yates to get up to 250
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LMFAO Overlaod drug bodies like Kevin wasn't one of them never mind overlaod escline bodies
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i have and if the judges didn't start choosing the overloaded drug bodies he never would've felt the need to expand his waistline like yates to get up to 250
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just saying that for 99 percent of women the huge bodybuilder look, Kevin included, isn't what they want.
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It doesn't matter who says who is better looking , you'll get NO argument from me Dorian wasn't handsome lol bottom line you're arguing over a moot point kevin's face couldn't compensate for his flaws of his physique
and my post count reflects me correcting all the ignorant people like yourself not discussing mens facial beauty
his flaws were not as great as dorian's and i probably have less than 5 -7posts discussing male facial beauty
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LMFAO Overlaod drug bodies like Kevin wasn't one of them never mind overlaod escline bodies
dorian started the excessive drug abuse and the judges made him think he had to do the same
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i agree, Kevin didn't have half the heart of Dorian or Ronnie and that's why he never won, with his genetics he should have won many Olympia's.
Yes, I agree. If had gone hardcore and really into the lifestyle all year round like those two he would have done so much better. Both Ronnie and Dorian overcame weaknesses. Levrone never did, he just played to his amazing strengths but if he'd their drive and focus then he would probably been the greatest of all three.
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just saying that for 99 percent of women the huge bodybuilder look, Kevin included, isn't what they want.
yeah but more would like Mr. Levrone's physique over dorian 8)
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no the judges failed him and the sport
you agree, you would NEVER want to look like yates 8)
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No Kevin failed , again you have this default excuse thats handy whenever your hero falls short the judges can only judge what shows up on stage , blame Kevin for failing bodybuilding , I guess he wasn't the savior after all
No personally I wouldn't want to look like Yates or Levrone compared to others thats redundant because contests are NOT based on my preferences a concept you can't seem to grasp
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dorian started the excessive drug abuse and the judges made him think he had to do the same
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nonsense he stared the excessive drug abuse same with the bloated guts as well Momo had one before anyone , and lets say he did then Kevin wouldn't go to the lengths they did to win so the fault lies squarly on him again
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yeah but more would like Mr. Levrone's physique over dorian 8)
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nah i don't think the average 25 year old hottie even notices a difference to be honest, they'd pick the Mike O Hearn type physique every time.
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his flaws were not as great as dorian's and i probably have less than 5 -7posts discussing male facial beauty
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Again the judges saw differently everytime they faced each other Dorian easily beat Levrone so in the eyes of those who matter the most ( the judges ) Dorian is the better bodybuilder
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yeah but more would like Mr. Levrone's physique over dorian 8)
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Earl, I understand your point. I also agree, to some extent, that it helps the overall aesthetic effect if the guy doesn't look like Frankenstein but what women would find most attractive is not relevant at all to bodybuildign judges.
Back in his day most women said Arnold was way too big and would prefer Robert Redford's physique.
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No Kevin failed , again you have this default excuse thats handy whenever your hero falls short the judges can only judge what shows up on stage , blame Kevin for failing bodybuilding , I guess he wasn't the savior after all
No personally I wouldn't want to look like Yates or Levrone compared to others thats redundant because contests are NOT based on my preferences a concept you can't seem to grasp
the sport loss fans when yates became mr. o, the bodies got bigger and uglier
it used to be on espn but the judges had to choose the ugliest physiqe in 92 :'(
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Earl, I understand your point. I also agree, to some extent, that it helps the overall aesthetic effect if the guy doesn't look like Frankenstein but what women would find most attractive is not relevant at all to bodybuildign judges.
Back in his day most women said Arnold was way too big and would prefer Robert Redford's physique.
Exactly , Bob Paris talked about how in the 80s girls were repulsed by his overly big muscles , Bob Paris !!!
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nonsense he stared the excessive drug abuse same with the bloated guts as well Momo had one before anyone , and lets say he did then Kevin wouldn't go to the lengths they did to win so the fault lies squarly on him again
he did what he felt he had to do to win
he knew he had to make his physique uglier :-\
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the sport loss fans when yates became mr. o, the bodies got bigger and uglier
it used to be on espn but the judges had to choose the ugliest physiqe in 92 :'(
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LMFAO No Yates isn't responsible for loss of fans and what would it matter people can't appreciate Kevin's physique without him not being the Olympia winner and again Kevin had a chance to win it all Yates out of the picture and ironically the guy who won wasn't as heavy as Yates in 1998 , Levrone had free reign and guess what? he couldn't close the deal in 1998 either , don't blame Yates or Ronnie or the Judges or facial beauty because Kevin never got his act together
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he did what he felt he had to do to win
he knew he had to make his physique uglier :-\
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More excuses and he still failed , either way its ALL Kevin's fault ;)
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Earl, I understand your point. I also agree, to some extent, that it helps the overall aesthetic effect if the guy doesn't look like Frankenstein but what women would find most attractive is not relevant at all to bodybuildign judges.
Back in his day most women said Arnold was way too big and would prefer Robert Redford's physique.
ok how about choosing the guy that is huge and ripped but doesn't have an overly large stomach?
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ok how about choosing the guy that is huge and ripped but doesn't have an overly large stomach?
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so he doesn't have a bigger gut so he should win even though he's density & dryness are sub-par and his back is lacking and he's loaded with escaline ? sounds fair ::)
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Exactly , Bob Paris talked about how in the 80s girls were repulsed by his overly big muscles , Bob Paris !!!
you're talking about two girls in an ice cream shop bob talked about in his book
those were TWO GIRLS!!!!!!!!!
i guess you didn't see the alan thicke talk show video where he took his clothes off and all the women were drooling, except the fat and ugly one that knew she would never have a chance with a specimen like bob, if he were straght of course 8)
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LMFAO No Yates isn't responsible for loss of fans and what would it matter people can't appreciate Kevin's physique without him not being the Olympia winner and again Kevin had a chance to win it all Yates out of the picture and ironically the guy who won wasn't as heavy as Yates in 1998 , Levrone had free reign and guess what? he couldn't close the deal in 1998 either , don't blame Yates or Ronnie or the Judges or facial beauty because Kevin never got his act together
so you are saying bodybuilding has more fans now then the 80's?
ronnie deserved to win in 98, he was a better mass monster than Mr. Levrone that night and dorian every night ;D
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you're talking about two girls in an ice cream shop bob talked about in his book
those were TWO GIRLS!!!!!!!!!
i guess you didn't see the alan thicke talk show video where he took his clothes off and all the women were drooling, except the fat and ugly one that knew she would never have a chance with a specimen like bob, if he were straght of course 8)
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It doesn't matter girls still looked at his physique with disgust the points stands
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so he doesn't have a bigger gut so he should win even though he's density & dryness are sub-par and his back is lacking and he's loaded with escaline ? sounds fair ::)
he didn't have sub par anything and he wasn't on escilene in 92
don't forget dorian's sub par arms, quads, and huge waistline
to say those are sub par is being quite generous
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ok how about choosing the guy that is huge and ripped but doesn't have an overly large stomach?
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I agree. They should penalize the guts and gyno like it was suggested they were going to start doing years ago.
Aesthetics seems to be less and less important. However, it gets difficult when virtually all the guys have the guts..also, you don't actually see it so much when they stand and do their poses. It's the off stage and side on photos where you see just how bad it is.
I think the judging is crap but it is what it is and ND is right in that by their criteria Yates beat Levrone fairly - by their criteria that you or I may not like , or even understand fully.
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so you are saying bodybuilding has more fans now then the 80's?
ronnie deserved to win in 98, he was a better mass monster than Mr. Levrone that night and dorian every night ;D
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NO its actually about the same it really hasn't grown
and Ronnie begs to differ on him being better than Yates ;) and again Its Kevin's fault thats the point
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It doesn't matter girls still looked at his physique with disgust the points stands
two young girls
no body appeals to every girl
double digit girls drooled over his body on the show, stop ignoring facts that go against your argument
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I agree. They should penalize the guts and gyno like it was suggested they were going to start doing years ago.
Aesthetics seems to be less and less important. However, it gets difficult when virtually all the guys have the guts..also, you don't actually see it so much when they stand and do their poses. It's the off stage and side on photos where you see just how bad it is.
I think the judging is crap but it is what it is and ND is right in that by their criteria Yates beat Levrone fairly - by their criteria that you or I may not like , or even understand fully.
Great point someone who gets it , it doesn't matter if the criteria should be different or it could be different , it is what it is and thats why he won.
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he didn't have sub par anything and he wasn't on escilene in 92
don't forget dorian's sub par arms, quads, and huge waistline
to say those are sub par is being quite generous
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Yates had NO gut in 1992 and NOTHING was sub-par or torn he was injury free and easily beat Levrone because he was bigger , harder , drier and thicker no excuses
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NO its actually about the same it really hasn't grown
and Ronnie begs to differ on him being better than Yates ;) and again Its Kevin's fault thats the point
it's less, no more exposure on espn
ronnie also said he was natural, do you believe that or do you believe just what you want to believe? ::)
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Great point someone who gets it , it doesn't matter if the criteria should be different or it could be different , it is what it is and thats why he won.
and that is why bodybuilding is in the shitter
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Yates had NO gut in 1992 and NOTHING was sub-par or torn he was injury free and easily beat Levrone because he was bigger , harder , drier and thicker no excuses
ok overly large ugly obliques and overall ugly body
a hard looking turd is still a turd
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it's less, no more exposure on espn
ronnie also said he was natural, do you believe that or do you believe just what you want to believe? ::)
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its NOT less the Olympia attendance is roughly the same back then as it is now , its NOT on TV anymore because steroids have been black balled and stereotyped as evil
and again keep clinging to the excuses because Ronnie's words would be golden by you if they were in praise of Levrone but seeing as they're not what else can you say?
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You guys can't reason with Earl on this. He is a nice guy but he thinks that the bodybuilder he would like to take home and spend the night with should win the show. Simple as that. To him it is a beauty contest and the winner must have a nice, pretty face and bulging trunks.
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and that is why bodybuilding is in the shitter
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So start your own federation and set your own rules , Save bodybuilding Earl ;)
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You guys can't reason with Earl on this. He is a nice guy but he thinks that the bodybuilder he would like to take home and spend the night with should win the show. Simple as that. To him it is a beauty contest and the winner must have a nice, pretty face and bulging trunks.
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ok overly large ugly obliques and overall ugly body
a hard looking turd is still a turd
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His obliques were NOT overly huge in 92 , 1993 yes 1992 NO and overall ugly is subjective a LOT of people like that physique the best because he was more ' aesthetic ' its all subjective
and again your frustration is with the criteria and your heros shortcomings stop looking for scape goats
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So start your own federation and set your own rules , Save bodybuilding Earl ;)
it's too late :-\
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You guys can't reason with Earl on this. He is a nice guy but he thinks that the bodybuilder he would like to take home and spend the night with should win the show. Simple as that. To him it is a beauty contest and the winner must have a nice, pretty face and bulging trunks.
He does have the odd obsession with beauty lol
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He does have the odd obsession with beauty lol
you have an odd obsession with ugliness ???
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it's too late :-\
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No its not , you can set your own criteria , NO GH guts NO ugly physiques , NO ugly mugs , NO pasty Brits Joe & ben started out of their garage so can you , its everything you seem to think the public wants its a win/win situation
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No its not , you can set your own criteria , NO GH guts NO ugly physiques , NO ugly mugs , NO pasty Brits Joe & ben started out of their garage so can you , its everything you seem to think the public wants its a win/win situation
nah too many guys like you that like the ugly body's on stage
people like whatever they can relate with ;)
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you have an odd obsession with ugliness ???
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No I don't lol thats your projection , I could care less what he looks like , I personally thought in 1993 Flex should have beat him until I learned what the criteria was and then I understood why Yates won
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nah too many guys like you that like the ugly body's on stage
people like whatever they can relate with ;)
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Again you seem to think there is this clammering for pretty physiques you have your finger on the pulse of the bodybuilding community you know what the men & women want , save bodybuilding
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Again you seem to think there is this clammering for pretty physiques you have your finger on the pulse of the bodybuilding community you know what the men & women want , save bodybuilding
you can't save something that was lost 16 years ago :-\
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you can't save something that was lost 16 years ago :-\
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Sure the sport is all heralding Wolf as a return to its roots ( ironically he has a gut ??? ) the sport can find itself again
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Sure the sport is all heralding Wolf as a return to its roots ( ironically he has a gut ??? ) the sport can find itself again
that shows how far the sport has fallen when he is considered the savior >:(
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Dorians best would have a hard time overcoming Cutler's best. And neither of those two can handle Ronnie's best.
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Again you seem to think there is this clammering for pretty physiques you have your finger on the pulse of the bodybuilding community you know what the men & women want , save bodybuilding
The freaks like Ruhl are always the most popular.
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that shows how far the sport has fallen when he is considered the savior >:(
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Its still not to late for Levrone he's not that old
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The freaks like Ruhl are always the most popular.
Thats very true , you have a point
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Idiot I know what conditioning is and isn't you don't because you can't seem to grasp the concept striations and separations are for the most part genetic OBVIOUSLY you need low bodyfat and thin skin to seem them however not all bodybuildings are genetically inclined to have the same amount , which is exactly why guys like Munzer and Hamdullah Aykutlu had more than anyone else and again you can have striated muscle under a layer of water and thanks for agreeing that we must rely on visual clues to determine conditioning and those visual clues would be ONLY accurate if you were actually at the fucking contest , pictures will NEVER replace being there so right off the bat YOUR opinion is severely limited yet you go right on trying to speak matter of factly telling an well established person who was actually there on all said occasions he's wrong and you're right , massively ignorant and insanely stupid on your behalf traits you've proven prone too , couple that and Dorian Yates who is an IFBB judge by the way saying he's better conditioned than Ronnie and your fan-boy opinion is worth fuck-all
all I see is blah blah blah. You still haven't provided an explanation for evaluating a bodybuilder's conditioning other than the one I gave. What criteria are you using?
Who said Yates was the exception to the rule? please show me where I claimed this and I'll be waiting and again YOU and dummy Hulkster keep claiming his conditioning was overrated which is ignorant as it gets so me ONE single quote posting these from anyone of integrity , please do , I'll be waiting for that as well
you did, idiot, when you claimed that Dorian is the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time. Obviously I disagree with this statement b/c others have displayed superior definition. Since body fat, water, skin, and fascia are the only factors that cover the muscle - and Dorian supposedly had the least body fat and water of any bodybuilder in history - this leaves only skin and fascia. However, both combined account for 1-2 mm and the difference between humans is negligible. So I ask you what factor is responsible for Dorian displaying less definition than Ronnie at the 01 ASC?
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shut the fuck up already
this has been beat pretty much to death.
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The freaks like Ruhl are always the most popular.
bullshit
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nah i don't think the average 25 year old hottie even notices a difference to be honest, they'd pick the Mike O Hearn type physique every time.
Not over this stud muffin they wouldn't ;D
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Dorians best would have a hard time overcoming Cutler's best. And neither of those two can handle Ronnie's best.
With all due respect to Cutler, he would be no match for Yates at his best. Cutler has tremendous size, yes, but Dorian's conditioning was considerably better. Cutler would look soft next to Dorian, even if Jay were at his best.
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This is mass folks. Dorian would have defeated Ronnie in his 2004 form while Yates was in this offseason condition hahah
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=268653;image)
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it's less, no more exposure on espn
ronnie also said he was natural, do you believe that or do you believe just what you want to believe? ::)
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LOL ND fucking OWNED.
caught in his own bullshit!
by definition he MUST think that Ronnie was natural, because Ronnie said it.
he believes everything Ronnie says no matter what or how stupid it is.
after all, he loves to post how Ronnie said he would not have beaten dorian and ND feels that his is all that matters on the subject LOL
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Dorian looked a million times better offseason then onstage.
and that is a sad commentary on how he looked on contest day.. :-\
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Hulkster you really , really fucked up LMFAO if it is like you say and Ronnie is crushing Dorian 1995 how did he place 9th in 1997? Dorian was way off his 1995 form LOL explain that one dummy ;)
no one can using all the visuals - thats the fucking point you idiot. ::)
its pure politics. Ronnie may not have deserved to win in 97, but he sure as fuck deserved to place better than 9th.
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Dorian isn't getting OWNED shit thats YOUR interpretation and its a well established FACT you're ignorant , biased and flat out stupid , you see what you want and what YOU think is winning a pose old news which brag you to the conclusion Dorian 1995 gets crushed by Ronnie 1997 LMMFAO case closed
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so you are saying that will all the pics in all these threads of dorian getting owned posted by so many people that he is actually not being owned?
holy shit man you have no fucking clue how this sport works or how physiques are judged..
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Dorian wasn't Dorian when he beat Ronnie either ;) he tore his bicep in 94 first Olympia for Ronnie
Dorian did Momo as well 1991 Olympia and ON , but Ronnie after he won the Olympia said he couldn't beat yates , so I'm not talking about the years they competed against each other , however Ronnie really came into his own in 1996
ronnie competed in 92 dumbass.
94 was not his first Mr. O.
aren't you glad I am here to correct your misinformation all the time?
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ronnie competed in 92 dumbass.
94 was not his first Mr. O.
aren't you glad I am here to correct your misinformation all the time?
::)
Ronnie didn't compete in 92......he stood on the side and watched Yates kick ass hahaha
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Ronnie didn't compete in 92......he stood on the side and watched Yates kick ass hahaha
more like getting owned by every competitor he was standing on stage with LOL:
this pic is hilarious: dorian looks worse than everyone: seems to be a common occurance with dorian lol
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you know you are overrated when Flea Labrada dominates you in a most muscular..lol :-\ ::)
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you know you are overrated when Flea Labrada dominates you in a most muscular..lol :-\ ::)
Or when Gunter defeats you when you are a reigning Mr. Olympia. ;)
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Unsurpassed even today.
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Unsurpassed even today.
not according to Flex magazine. ;D
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After the 99 Olympia, Flex rated Dorian as the best back.....so which is correct ;)
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After the 99 Olympia, Flex rated Dorian as the best back.....so which is correct
the most recent issue of Flex, you dipshit. ;)
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the most recent issue of Flex, you dipshit. ;)
Watch your language little boy.
The ONLY reason Ronnie was chosen over Yates is because the majority of Flex readers don't even know who Dorian Yates was. Even directly after Ronnie's 2 best showings (98 and 99) Yates won the best back award.
P.S. Congrats on your job as a PE teacher hahahahaha
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Watch your language little boy.
suck my dick, fag. ;D
The ONLY reason Ronnie was chosen over Yates is because the majority of Flex readers don't even know who Dorian Yates was. Even directly after Ronnie's 2 best showings (98 and 99) Yates won the best back award.
so now you presume to speak for Flex magazine? Give me a break! The reason they chose Ronnie in the latest poll is b/c his back reached its peak at the 01 ASC or 03 Mr. Olympia.
P.S. Congrats on your job as a PE teacher hahahahaha
if you're going to purposely lie, at least go with something more degrading like a janitor or garbage man. ;)
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This should be of some help to you hahahahah
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;) ;) ;)
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all I see is blah blah blah. You still haven't provided an explanation for evaluating a bodybuilder's conditioning other than the one I gave. What criteria are you using?
you did, idiot, when you claimed that Dorian is the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time. Obviously I disagree with this statement b/c others have displayed superior definition. Since body fat, water, skin, and fascia are the only factors that cover the muscle - and Dorian supposedly had the least body fat and water of any bodybuilder in history - this leaves only skin and fascia. However, both combined account for 1-2 mm and the difference between humans is negligible. So I ask you what factor is responsible for Dorian displaying less definition than Ronnie at the 01 ASC?
all I see is blah blah blah. You still haven't provided an explanation for evaluating a bodybuilder's conditioning other than the one I gave. What criteria are you using?
yeah I thought so , as usual all you see is what YOU want to and I've explained to you ad nausem how and why Dorian is better conditioned and I've even said Ronnie may have matched him in this department for you to claim he surpassed Dorian is laughable and ignorant , just like your claim that Yates' conditioning is overrated
you did, idiot, when you claimed that Dorian is the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time. Obviously I disagree with this statement b/c others have displayed superior definition. Since body fat, water, skin, and fascia are the only factors that cover the muscle - and Dorian supposedly had the least body fat and water of any bodybuilder in history - this leaves only skin and fascia. However, both combined account for 1-2 mm and the difference between humans is negligible. So I ask you what factor is responsible for Dorian displaying less definition than Ronnie at the 01 ASC?
I never claimed Dorian is the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time , Peter McGough did ;) and I went as far as say perhaps Ronnie matched him only at among his lightest. and McGough used Dorain as the best example because he maintained that bone dry and rock hard look without losing size , Ronnie was at his pinnacle conditioning around 245-249 pounds thats the difference pay attention
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ronnie competed in 92 dumbass.
94 was not his first Mr. O.
aren't you glad I am here to correct your misinformation all the time?
::)
LMMFAO misinformation I forgot about 1992 so calm down dummy and yes I'm glad you corrected me when you said Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler and Ronnie COleman 1997 Mr Olympia CRUSHES Dorian at the 1995 Mr Olympia LMMFAO
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suck my dick, fag. ;D
so now you presume to speak for Flex magazine? Give me a break! The reason they chose Ronnie in the latest poll is b/c his back reached its peak at the 01 ASC or 03 Mr. Olympia.
if you're going to purposely lie, at least go with something more degrading like a janitor or garbage man. ;)
lmfao peaked in 2001 and 2003 , 2001 his back was among its smallest post Olympia wons very comparable to 1998 and 2003 LMMFAO his back was soft huge but soft
Ronnie Coleman in 2003 said Yates back was the thickest and freakiest he EVER seen ;)
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you know you are overrated when Flea Labrada dominates you in a most muscular..lol :-\ ::)
Just like when Ronnie 1997 CRUSHES Dorian 1995 lmmfao you're hands down the biggest dummy on here
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yeah I thought so , as usual all you see is what YOU want to and I've explained to you ad nausem how and why Dorian is better conditioned and I've even said Ronnie may have matched him in this department for you to claim he surpassed Dorian is laughable and ignorant , just like your claim that Yates' conditioning is overrated
I refuted all your 'evidence' to suggest that Dorian had better conditioning than Ronnie. All you have is a quote from Peter McGough who you claim is "entitled to his own opinion" yet his word becomes fact when you agree with him. Get the f*ck out of here, kiddo. ::)
I never claimed Dorian is the most conditioned bodybuilder of all-time , Peter McGough did and I went as far as say perhaps Ronnie matched him only at among his lightest. and McGough used Dorain as the best example because he maintained that bone dry and rock hard look without losing size , Ronnie was at his pinnacle conditioning around 245-249 pounds thats the difference pay attention
bullshit, agreeing with someone is the same as making that claim. If a person says the sky is blue and you agree with him, that's the equivalent of you also believing the sky is blue. Don't try to play semantics with someone who has repeatedly raped you in reading comprehension. ;)
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lmfao peaked in 2001 and 2003 , 2001 his back was among its smallest post Olympia wons very comparable to 1998 and 2003 LMMFAO his back was soft huge but soft
like I give 2 shits about what year you think Ronnie's back reached its peak. If you have a problem with the poll, I suggest you take it up with Flex magazine.
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I refuted all your 'evidence' to suggest that Dorian had better conditioning than Ronnie. All you have is a quote from Peter McGough who you claim is "entitled to his own opinion" yet his word becomes fact when you agree with him. Get the f*ck out of here, kiddo. ::)
bullshit, agreeing with someone is the same as making that claim. If a person says the sky is blue and you agree with him, that's the equivalent of you also believing the sky is blue. Don't try to play semantics with someone who has repeatedly raped you in reading comprehension. ;)
I refuted all your 'evidence' to suggest that Dorian had better conditioning than Ronnie. All you have is a quote from Peter McGough who you claim is "entitled to his own opinion" yet his word becomes fact when you agree with him. Get the f*ck out of here, kiddo. ::)
Neo you didn't refute anything you denied big difference , and NO ONE but you and Hulkster are under this delusion his conditioning was anything but spectacular and Yates and IFBB judge has said to my recollection on two occasions he has better conditioning than Ronnie and he would know so you're wrong again about hving only one quote and I would post the quote from Lee Priest as well but you get the point , wait , no you don't lol
bullshit, agreeing with someone is the same as making that claim. If a person says the sky is blue and you agree with him, that's the equivalent of you also believing the sky is blue. Don't try to play semantics with someone who has repeatedly raped you in reading comprehension. ;)
You're damn right I agree with him , however I didn't make the claim I just agree that NO ONE maintained the combo of size and conditioning as Dorian not Ronnie and not anyone else , and funny you bring up semantics the master of playing with words ;)
run along Neo you bore me , see denial and then see fail I'm sure you know your way
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like I give 2 shits about what year you think Ronnie's back reached its peak. If you have a problem with the poll, I suggest you take it up with Flex magazine.
I don't have a problem with the poll I could care less because whenever there is a debate on that topic is usually Yates and Ronnie in either first or second and again your claims on when Ronnie was his best are always laughable because you're just fucking ignorant 1998 and 2001 are virtually identical in terms of conditioning , and size and that would include the back which you so ignorantly claim is his ' peak ' lol
Ronnie knows who had a better back ;) and he said this in 2003 ;) so much for the Flex poll
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Neo you didn't refute anything you denied big difference , and NO ONE but you and Hulkster are under this delusion his conditioning was anything but spectacular and Yates and IFBB judge has said to my recollection on two occasions he has better conditioning than Ronnie and he would know so you're wrong again about hving only one quote and I would post the quote from Lee Priest as well but you get the point , wait , no you don't lol
wrong, you're the one who has been in denial this whole time. I've posted pics, videos, eye-witness testimony, and even gave a medical explanation. All you have done is rely on a quote from a guy you only agree with when it suits you. You've avoided posting visual evidence and for good reason. Yeah, I'm the one who is in denial. ::)
You're damn right I agree with him , however I didn't make the claim I just agree that NO ONE maintained the combo of size and conditioning as Dorian not Ronnie and not anyone else , and funny you bring up semantics the master of playing with words
I can care less about combo of size and conditioning. I'm talking strictly conditioning. Ronnie at the 01 ASC surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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His back would make Ronnie 2001 look very small
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I don't have a problem with the poll I could care less because whenever there is a debate on that topic is usually Yates and Ronnie in either first or second and again your claims on when Ronnie was his best are always laughable because you're just fucking ignorant 1998 and 2001 are virtually identical in terms of conditioning , and size and that would include the back which you so ignorantly claim is his ' peak ' lol
Ronnie knows who had a better back and he said this in 2003 so much for the Flex poll
you're just sore b/c your holy grail of bodybuilding voted Ronnie for best back of all-time. ;)
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Ronnie was the best.
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His back would make Ronnie 2001 look very small
His traps are ridiculous from the rear.
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His back would make Ronnie 2001 look very small
that's not a mandatory pose, idiot.
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.... 8) 8) 8)
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wrong, you're the one who has been in denial this whole time. I've posted pics, videos, eye-witness testimony, and even gave a medical explanation. All you have done is rely on a quote from a guy you only agree with when it suits you. You've avoided posting visual evidence and for good reason. Yeah, I'm the one who is in denial. ::)
I can care less about combo of size and conditioning. I'm talking strictly conditioning. Ronnie at the 01 ASC surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
wrong, you're the one who has been in denial this whole time. I've posted pics, videos, eye-witness testimony, and even gave a medical explanation. All you have done is rely on a quote from a guy you only agree with when it suits you. You've avoided posting visual evidence and for good reason. Yeah, I'm the one who is in denial. ::)
You're NOT a medical professional you're a fucking ' certified personal trainer ' your opinion is worth fuck-all
you still can't grasp to this day having more striations DOES NOT constitute better conditioning and the same with separation , both are by-products of a well conditioned athlete however some guys have more than others because of GENETICS and you have NEVER EVER found me one single quote saying Ronnie Coleman was better conditioned than Dorian stop propagating this lie and again dummy McGough quote isn;t the only one I rely on how about hmmmm lets see someone who is an IFBB judge , someone who knows what to look for , hey how about the man himself Dorian Yates? add Lee Priest , etc , etc
you're in denial and you're ignorant a common theme with you , and I've said Ronnie may have indeed MATCHED Dorian for that same bone dry and rock hard look ONLY ( pay attention idiot ) at his very lightest and he couldn't maintain that same conditioning at weights as high as Dorian get it dummy?
I can care less about combo of size and conditioning. I'm talking strictly conditioning. Ronnie at the 01 ASC surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
NO he did NOT stop typing this nonsense and density FYI is part of conditioning Ronnie can't surpass Dorian at 247lbs max when Yates has the same bone dry and rock hard ( DENSITY ) look at 260 pounds
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
Dorian hard & drier than Ronnie in 2001 while carrying more muscular bulk case closed
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you're just sore b/c your holy grail of bodybuilding voted Ronnie for best back of all-time. ;)
And your hero what YOU consider his best ( 2003 ) conceded to Dorian once again in the back department and again Dorian was number 1 in 1999 ;)
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that's not a mandatory pose, idiot.
lmfao no shit dummy where did I say it was? ;) this is a mandatory pose and he's almost the exact same weight as 2001 and seeing how muscle length doesn't change ( other than tears ) his back would look even smaller next to a bigger Yates ;)
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Best back right here Ronnie knows
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You're NOT a medical professional you're a fucking ' certified personal trainer ' your opinion is worth fuck-all
you still can't grasp to this day having more striations DOES NOT constitute better conditioning and the same with separation , both are by-products of a well conditioned athlete however some guys have more than others because of GENETICS and you have NEVER EVER found me one single quote saying Ronnie Coleman was better conditioned than Dorian stop propagating this lie and again dummy McGough quote isn;t the only one I rely on how about hmmmm lets see someone who is an IFBB judge , someone who knows what to look for , hey how about the man himself Dorian Yates? add Lee Priest , etc , etc
ha ha ha, you don't have to be a professional to speak on a subject. Following your rationale, the majority of posters on Getbig shouldn't be here b/c they are not professional bodybuilders. I have a Bachelor's degree in Human Science. I took biology, chemistry, organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, applied exercise physiology, genetics, and exercise testing and prescription (for you dipshits who don't know what Exercise Science is). I know a hell of a lot more than know you about the human body, which is why I have a feeling you don't know what you are talking about. So you scan magazine pictures and cling to quotes b/c that's the closest you'll ever come to feeling knowledgable about bodybuilding.
As for genetics, you're argument means shit. Genetics = genotype (i.e. chromosomes). The outward characteristics a person displays = phenotype. However, I wouldn't expect you to know this. You keep using genetics as an excuse for why Dorian displayed less separations and striations than Ronnie, which makes you sound like a retard to someone who knows what they are talking about. There is no explanation for why Dorian had less definition if he carried less body fat and water than Ronnie.
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
how did Peter McGough determine who is "harder?" Did he personally feel Dorian's and Ronnie's muscles?
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And your hero what YOU consider his best ( 2003 ) conceded to Dorian once again in the back department and again Dorian was number 1 in 1999
I could care less what Ronnie said. He's not a judge nor does he write contest reviews for Flex magazine. ;)
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Ronnie wins easily. Dorian can't match the size or the detail and separation. :)
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I could care less what Ronnie said. He's not a judge nor does he write contest reviews for Flex magazine. ;)
LMFAO you don't care what the IFBB judges or writers say either ;) ( see conditioning )
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Best back right here Ronnie knows
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take your pick
01 ASC
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie137.jpg)
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03 Mr. O
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You're NOT a medical professional you're a fucking ' certified personal trainer ' your opinion is worth fuck-all
you still can't grasp to this day having more striations DOES NOT constitute better conditioning and the same with separation , both are by-products of a well conditioned athlete however some guys have more than others because of GENETICS and you have NEVER EVER found me one single quote saying Ronnie Coleman was better conditioned than Dorian stop propagating this lie and again dummy McGough quote isn;t the only one I rely on how about hmmmm lets see someone who is an IFBB judge , someone who knows what to look for , hey how about the man himself Dorian Yates? add Lee Priest , etc , etc
you're in denial and you're ignorant a common theme with you , and I've said Ronnie may have indeed MATCHED Dorian for that same bone dry and rock hard look ONLY ( pay attention idiot ) at his very lightest and he couldn't maintain that same conditioning at weights as high as Dorian get it dummy?
NO he did NOT stop typing this nonsense and density FYI is part of conditioning Ronnie can't surpass Dorian at 247lbs max when Yates has the same bone dry and rock hard ( DENSITY ) look at 260 pounds
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
Dorian hard & drier than Ronnie in 2001 while carrying more muscular bulk case closed
haha
ND laying the smackdown as always to these Ronnie cock jockeys
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ha ha ha, you don't have to be a professional to speak on a subject. Following your rationale, the majority of posters on Getbig shouldn't be here b/c they are not professional bodybuilders. I have a Bachelor's degree in Human Science. I took biology, chemistry, organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, applied exercise physiology, genetics, and exercise testing and prescription (for you dipshits who don't know what Exercise Science is). I know a hell of a lot more than know you about the human body, which is why I have a feeling you don't know what you are talking about. So you scan magazine pictures and cling to quotes b/c that's the closest you'll ever come to feeling knowledgable about bodybuilding.
As for genetics, you're argument means shit. Genetics = genotype (i.e. chromosomes). The outward characteristics a person displays = phenotype. However, I wouldn't expect you to know this. You keep using genetics as an excuse for why Dorian displayed less separations and striations than Ronnie, which makes you sound like a retard to someone who knows what they are talking about. There is no explanation for why Dorian had less definition if he carried less body fat and water than Ronnie.
how did Peter McGough determine who is "harder?" Did he personally feel Dorian's and Ronnie's muscles?
ha ha ha, you don't have to be a professional to speak on a subject. Following your rationale, the majority of posters on Getbig shouldn't be here b/c they are not professional bodybuilders. I have a Bachelor's degree in Human Science. I took biology, chemistry, organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, applied exercise physiology, genetics, and exercise testing and prescription (for you dipshits who don't know what Exercise Science is). I know a hell of a lot more than know you about the human body, which is why I have a feeling you don't know what you are talking about. So you scan magazine pictures and cling to quotes b/c that's the closest you'll ever come to feeling knowledgable about bodybuilding.
Thank you I'm glad you agree you don't have to be a professional to speak on the subject , see Ronnie , Yates and McGough ;) and Mr Certified Personal Trainer your resume doesn't impress me at all because you're basing your opinion on fucking PICTURES you NEVER onced attended the contests in question and the people who did you are telling them you're wrong LMFAO you're just to easy to trap and I ' cling to quotes ' because I have to because I wasn't fucking there and pictures and video will NEVER replace being there in flesh & blood , both mediums pale in comparison so much for you resume lol
As for genetics, you're argument means shit. Genetics = genotype (i.e. chromosomes). The outward characteristics a person displays = phenotype. However, I wouldn't expect you to know this. You keep using genetics as an excuse for why Dorian displayed less separations and striations than Ronnie, which makes you sound like a retard to someone who knows what they are talking about. There is no explanation for why Dorian had less definition if he carried less body fat and water than Ronnie.
whoa Neo flexing his prowess again LMFAO kid you seriously most of the time you bore the shit out of me but then there are times like these I get a good hard laugh out of entertaining you them let me correct you using your own terminology , STRIATIONS are NOT genetic they're a phenotype either way you're fucking wrong period
Dorian who is an IFBB judge stated on a couple of occasions he's the better conditioned of the two if YOU have a problem with that I suggest you take it up with him ;)
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ha ha ha, you don't have to be a professional to speak on a subject. Following your rationale, the majority of posters on Getbig shouldn't be here b/c they are not professional bodybuilders. I have a Bachelor's degree in Human Science. I took biology, chemistry, organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, applied exercise physiology, genetics, and exercise testing and prescription (for you dipshits who don't know what Exercise Science is). I know a hell of a lot more than know you about the human body, which is why I have a feeling you don't know what you are talking about. So you scan magazine pictures and cling to quotes b/c that's the closest you'll ever come to feeling knowledgable about bodybuilding.
As for genetics, you're argument means shit. Genetics = genotype (i.e. chromosomes). The outward characteristics a person displays = phenotype. However, I wouldn't expect you to know this. You keep using genetics as an excuse for why Dorian displayed less separations and striations than Ronnie, which makes you sound like a retard to someone who knows what they are talking about. There is no explanation for why Dorian had less definition if he carried less body fat and water than Ronnie.
how did Peter McGough determine who is "harder?" Did he personally feel Dorian's and Ronnie's muscles?
Oh I forgot to address the McGough quote , I'll tell you how he determined who was harder , VISUALLY live and in person on from scans and compressed Youtube video like you dummy , stick your Bachelors degree up your ass , you have NO experience in the world of professional competitive bodybuilding , you never seen Dorian at his best live and in person , you weren't at the 2001 Arnold Classic , you never attended the 2003 Mr Olympia , you didn't even know muscle balance & proportion were two separate things , so much for your resume , Peter McGough had unparalled acess to Ronnie & Dorian at their bests and worse , he's interviewed them after big wins and loses ( well Yates never lost much ) he's seen them in the gym , on the dais , he has 40+ years in the business of professional bodybuilding for you and Certified Personal Trainer to say he's wrong and you're right despite never even seeing any of in person shows how fucking retarded you are and how pathetic you lol I laugh at your stupidity and ridicule your ignorance
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remember that issue of muscle and fitness about 4 years ago that ranked the 20 best bodies ever?
Mr. Levrone made the cover because they knew that he was the most marketable of the guys that made the list 8)
that's not my point though, my point is ronnie was ranked #2 and dorian got a gift at # 4
muslce and fitness says ronnie is a better bodybuilder
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Just too big baby.
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::) ::) ::)
take your pick
01 ASC
01 ASC is comparable to the back double pic I posted with Yates so much for 01 , Dorian has bigger and thicker traps , lower inserting and wider/thicker lats , better DEFINITION detail and development , where exactly do you think he's beating Yates? elaborate if you can
2003 lol see soft , HUGE but soft
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remember that issue of muscle and fitness about 4 years ago that ranked the 20 best bodies ever?
Mr. Levrone made the cover because they knew that he was the most marketable of the guys that made the list 8)
that's not my point though, my point is ronnie was ranked #2 and dorian got a gift at # 4
muslce and fitness says ronnie is a better bodybuilder
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Ronnie says Dorian is a better bodybuilder , your point?
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Just too big baby.
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fuck imageshack
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Just a straight up freak. :)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo849.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo724.jpg)
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Just a straight up freak. :)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo849.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo724.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo726.jpg)
Agreed he was a freak !
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The only way Dorian beats Ronnie is if you think Ronnie is too big! :)
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The only way Dorian beats Ronnie is if you think Ronnie is too big! :)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo369.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo593.jpg)
Ronnie thinks Dorian beats Ronnie don't underestimate his words
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Not even human at this point. :)
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Why even bother to pump up? Your already so big! :)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo122.jpg)
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Whoops Ronnies one weakness, his quads are too small! ;D
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Thank you I'm glad you agree you don't have to be a professional to speak on the subject , see Ronnie , Yates and McGough and Mr Certified Personal Trainer your resume doesn't impress me at all because you're basing your opinion on fucking PICTURES you NEVER onced attended the contests in question and the people who did you are telling them you're wrong LMFAO you're just to easy to trap and I ' cling to quotes ' because I have to because I wasn't fucking there and pictures and video will NEVER replace being there in flesh & blood , both mediums pale in comparison so much for you resume lol
I don't have to attend contests from both to determine who had better conditioning. All I have to do is look at the visual evidence. Although nothing beats actually being there, it's safe to assume that Dorian and Ronnie would have the same advantage seeing them in person versus pics and videos. The camera doesn't magically decide which bodybuilders to add/deduct separations and striations. ::)
whoa Neo flexing his prowess again LMFAO kid you seriously most of the time you bore the shit out of me but then there are times like these I get a good hard laugh out of entertaining you them let me correct you using your own terminology , STRIATIONS are NOT genetic they're a phenotype either way you're fucking wrong period
you keep throwing the term "genetics" around but you don't know what you are talking about. Explain how chromosomes influence where a bodybuilder displays definition, and what impact this has at ultra low body fat and water levels. If you can answer this, then I'm all ears. Until then, you're just a deluded fan boy who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
Dorian who is an IFBB judge stated on a couple of occasions he's the better conditioned of the two if YOU have a problem with that I suggest you take it up with him
I was never in disagreement with him. Dorian had better conditioning than every version of Ronnie except the 98 Mr. Olympia and 01 ASC. ;)
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Can the human frame hold anymore meat? I doubt it. :)
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so do a lot of other bodybuilders...who would kick dorian's ass:
;D
Yet again you prove beyond a "Shadow" of a doubt that Yates and ND occupy a large amount of real estate in your schmoe addled brain. You can't get them out of your head, you can't stop looking for half naked thong pics of Yates on the internet and saving them to your computer...this is pathetic.
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Not even human at this point.
:)
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003MrOlympia-MuscularityRound9a.jpg)
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Can the human frame hold anymore meat? I doubt it.
:)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman36.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman65.jpg)
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My god I think Ronnie invented the Myostatin Gene just so he could become so big! :)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo36.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman69.jpg)
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Lots of schmoes and closet homo's are flocking to this thread as we speak...
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Poor Dorian....... it's not even close anymore........ Ronnie is just some kind of weird throw back to when dinosaurs ruled the earth! :)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-Ronnie12.jpg)
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Yet again you prove beyond a "Shadow" of a doubt that Yates and ND occupy a large amount of real estate in your schmoe addled brain. You can't get them out of your head, you can't stop looking for half naked thong pics of Yates on the internet and saving them to your computer...this is pathetic.
Great post ! Him and Neosemenole follow me around from thread to thread vying for my attention lol they both claims I'm flat out wrong and insane , yet they hang on my every word
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I don't have to attend contests from both to determine who had better conditioning. All I have to do is look at the visual evidence. Although nothing beats actually being there, it's safe to assume that Dorian and Ronnie would have the same advantage seeing them in person versus pics and videos. The camera doesn't magically decide which bodybuilders to add/deduct separations and striations. ::)
you keep throwing the term "genetics" around but you don't know what you are talking about. Explain how chromosomes influence where a bodybuilder displays definition, and what impact this has at ultra low body fat and water levels. If you can answer this, then I'm all ears. Until then, you're just a deluded fan boy who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
I was never in disagreement with him. Dorian had better conditioning than every version of Ronnie except the 98 Mr. Olympia and 01 ASC. ;)
I don't have to attend contests from both to determine who had better conditioning. All I have to do is look at the visual evidence. Although nothing beats actually being there, it's safe to assume that Dorian and Ronnie would have the same advantage seeing them in person versus pics and videos. The camera doesn't magically decide which bodybuilders to add/deduct separations and striations. ::)
This statement ends your opinion being taken seriously
Until then, you're just a deluded fan boy who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
see projection , you're the fan boy who has it all wrong and says the guys who were there are all wrong as well , again you've played your hand and can't be taken seriously , I entertained your point of view but you're beyond being taken seriously
I was never in disagreement with him. Dorian had better conditioning than every version of Ronnie except the 98 Mr. Olympia and 01 ASC. ;)
I'm sure you believe that and good for you :D you win a cookie
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Whos the greatest of all time? Dorian knows!
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It's the king baby. :)
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At least Dorian didn't resort to sticking his trunks right up his anus. I understand that this is one of Hulksters and Semenholes favorite tricks
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Hey ND, any idea how many times Ronnie and Dorian went head to head in Competion? and what the score was? thanks.
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Hey ND, any idea how many times Ronnie and Dorian went head to head in Competion? and what the score was? thanks.
Eight times , Yates 8 Ronnie 0
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Eight times , Yates 8 Ronnie 0
HAHAHAHAHA and then Ronnie says that at his peak he still would never have beaten Yates. Even Ronnie thinks Hulkster and Semenhole are talking shit. HAHA, their idol thinks their argument is bullshit ;D
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This statement ends your opinion being taken seriously
translation: I can't think of an intelligent response. So I will pretend my opponent doesn't know what he's talking about. ;)
see projection , you're the fan boy who has it all wrong and says the guys who were there are all wrong as well , again you've played your hand and can't be taken seriously , I entertained your point of view but you're beyond being taken seriously
I'm still waiting for you to explain how chromosomes influence where a bodybuilder displays definition, and what impact this has at ultra low body fat and water levels. Since you believe Dorian had the best conditioning of all-time, surely there must be an explanation for why he had less separations and striations than 01 ASC Ronnie unless <gasp> he actually wasn't more conditioned than Ronnie. You make this too easy for me. ;)
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Being the best bodybuilder of all time is priceless............. for everything else there's mastercard. :)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc762.jpg)
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;) ;) ;)
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Eight times , Yates 8 Ronnie 0
Thanks mate..another qestion why is that alot of people are bashing Dorian if hes beaten Ronnie 8 times out of 8?? Ronnie looked really increadible no doubt about it, but if Dorian is 8-0 whats with all the disrespect against Dorian?
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..........1994
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Well I'll say this for him he certainly was red & shiny! That christmas ham has had about 4 coats of glaze! :)
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.....1991-92
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Dorians boy..
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Dorians boy..
Lmao. He looks just like his father in the face ;D
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Im a big fan of Dorian but I have to admit that a Great Colman beats a great Yates IMHO.
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translation: I can't think of an intelligent response. So I will pretend my opponent doesn't know what he's talking about. ;)
I'm still waiting for you to explain how chromosomes influence where a bodybuilder displays definition, and what impact this has at ultra low body fat and water levels. Since you believe Dorian had the best conditioning of all-time, surely there must be an explanation for why he had less separations and striations than 01 ASC Ronnie unless <gasp> he actually wasn't more conditioned than Ronnie. You make this too easy for me. ;)
translation: I can't think of an intelligent response. So I will pretend my opponent doesn't know what he's talking about. ;)
lmmfao ' opponent ' that was funny , you're not an ' opponent ' and this isn't a debate , you'd have to know what your talking about to be in a debate
again when you make claims on things you don't even know about using inaccurate means and then telling the people who were actually there they're wrong , you can't be taken seriously. think whatever you'd like you already do when you view pictures ;)
I'm still waiting for you to explain how chromosomes influence where a bodybuilder displays definition, and what impact this has at ultra low body fat and water levels. Since you believe Dorian had the best conditioning of all-time, surely there must be an explanation for why he had less separations and striations than 01 ASC Ronnie unless <gasp> he actually wasn't more conditioned than Ronnie. You make this too easy for me. ;)
keep waiting ;) you're beyond the point have having your opinion being taken seriously , when you type that you know more on the subject of professional mens competitive bodybuilding than a man like Peter McGough who has 40 plus years in the business , and his opinion is wrong despite never once seeing Ronnie Coleman & Dorian Yates live and in person , or ever attending ANY professional bodybuilding contest in question is monumentally retarded , it's just insanely stupid and it shows you've made up your mind already and ANY explanation I have to offer or anyone else isn't going to sway you in the least so I could care less about proving anything to you , you believe what you want to believe and I'll laugh and ridicule your ignorance & stupidity
keep following me around begging me for my attention , depending on my mood I might just throw you a bone , but as far as having any desire to prove anything to you that went out the window long ago ;)
still LOL @ you know more than McGough despite never seeing either guys live and in the flesh lol
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Ronnie says Dorian is a better bodybuilder , your point?
and ronnie also claims to be natural ::)
and you know the people that run muscle and fitness are smarter than ronnie, even if he was being truthful
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lmmfao ' opponent ' that was funny , you're not an ' opponent ' and this isn't a debate , you'd have to know what your talking about to be in a debate
says the guy who relies on a quote despite the overwhelming visual evidence and quotes on the contrary. ::)
again when you make claims on things you don't even know about using inaccurate means and then telling the people who were actually there they're wrong , you can't be taken seriously. think whatever you'd like you already do when you view pictures
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Joe Weider
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
keep waiting you're beyond the point have having your opinion being taken seriously , when you type that you know more on the subject of professional mens competitive bodybuilding than a man like Peter McGough who has 40 plus years in the business , and his opinion is wrong despite never once seeing Ronnie Coleman & Dorian Yates live and in person , or ever attending ANY professional bodybuilding contest in question is monumentally retarded , it's just insanely stupid and it shows you've made up your mind already and ANY explanation I have to offer or anyone else isn't going to sway you in the least so I could care less about proving anything to you , you believe what you want to believe and I'll laugh and ridicule your ignorance & stupidity
ha ha ha, keep talking. You just make yourself look even dumber. When you disagree with Peter McGough, it's okay but when I disagree, I'm being "ignorant and stupid?" You're the biggest hypocrite on Getbig. Remember these quotes? Oh right, you only pick which quotes to accept and ignore when it suits you. ::)
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. Olympia)
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How old is he? ??? Seriously he looks 30+ here
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=268905;image)
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says the guy who relies on a quote despite the overwhelming visual evidence and quotes on the contrary. ::)
Joe Weider
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
ha ha ha, keep talking. You just make yourself look even dumber. When you disagree with Peter McGough, it's okay but when I disagree, I'm being "ignorant and stupid?" You're the biggest hypocrite on Getbig. Remember these quotes? Oh right, you only pick which quotes to accept and ignore when it suits you. ::)
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. Olympia)
says the guy who relies on a quote despite the overwhelming visual evidence and quotes on the contrary. ::)
The intelligent position would to be take the subject on the matter from the authority of another seeing how I wasn't there and neither were you ;) to say he's wrong and you're right despite never once seeing ANY of them live and in the flesh is just plain stupid and insanely ignorant and the means in which you reached your opinion are highly inaccurate to begin with one can only laugh at the absurdity of your claims and see you with biased and ignorant eyes the evidence is overwhelming to YOU , again you see what YOU want and see what YOU think is reality via pictures and compressed video
and again please show me ONE quote to the contrary that Dorian was never better conditioned than Ronnie , there are NO quotes to the ' contrary ' as you claim thats a lie
ha ha ha, keep talking. You just make yourself look even dumber. When you disagree with Peter McGough, it's okay but when I disagree, I'm being "ignorant and stupid?" You're the biggest hypocrite on Getbig. Remember these quotes? Oh right, you only pick which quotes to accept and ignore when it suits you. ::)
I the irony of you saying anyone looks dumb lol the guy who NEVER seen Yates and Coleman in person telling Peter McGough he's wrong on the topic lol enough said
and see projection you're the biggest hypocrite , you're the idiot who said if you use one quote you become bound to ALL quotes yet you don't heed your own advice dismissing many McGough quotes and others when they don't fit your side of the story , unlike I reserve the right to disagree I don't subscribe to your insanely stupid ' logic '
Again you're beyond the point of being taken seriously , I gave your point a chance and you proved you're a dummy , run along now Neo as usual you bore.
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and ronnie also claims to be natural ::)
and you know the people that run muscle and fitness are smarter than ronnie, even if he was being truthful
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Ronnie didn't claim he was natural he claimed he was legal ;)
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How old is he? ??? Seriously he looks 30+ here
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=268905;image)
just like dad he looks old
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4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
He's an IFBB judge he would know who has the better conditioning , Oppps Sorry Dorian , Neosemenole " The Certified Personal Trainer " know more about competitive bodybuilding than a 6 time Mr. Olympia winner and an IFBB Judge lmmfao he learned all of this on www.GetBig.com looking at magazine scans and compressed Youtube video lol
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
BULLSHIT Peter I don't care of you have 40 plus years in the industry and was the editor of the biggest bodybuilding publication in the world , Neosemenole from GetBig proved you were wrong using ' overwhelming visual evidence ' and his skills as a " Certified Personal Trainer " lol
Has the quality of physique seen on the pro stage these days changed much compared to when you were competing as a professional?
I don't think the physiques have changed radically. I think a lot of people are trying to go the size route. My sole goal when getting ready for a contest was not building a lot of size, although when I was coming up pure muscle size was still very important. I was always really concerned about coming in very sharp conditioning wise.
I think that is lacking a little bit now, and it has occurred over the past few years. You go to a pro show now and you see a couple of guys who are in really good shape and the rest of the lineup is so-so, or not so good. Back when I was competing in the Olympia I think you saw a lot of guys who were in really good shape.
There was a greater emphasis on conditioning, but now you see guys going for size at the expense of conditioning. It seems strange me saying that, as I was known for my muscle size, but it was not my priority in getting ready for a contest. Obviously I carried a lot of muscle but my main thing was to come in super-ripped
Yates didn't I tell you Neosemenole found you out? he proved without a shadow ( no pun ) of a doubt your conditioning was overrated and a myth , stop lying Neo owns your mind ;)
First of all, Dorian would bring to the stage a package so massive and freakily conditioned that throughout his career as Mr. Olympia no one would come close to defeating him on size and hardness. His level of development set a new standard in bodybuilding excellence, one that is being favorably looked upon, and replicated by many in the sport, today.
More BULLSHIT his conditioning was ' overrated ' Neo knows what really happened
Peter Mcgough
"These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."
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Hey didn't you already say this? stop propagating this ' myth '
Flex Magazine October 2004 - Peter McGough’s commentary on the "voodoo" that has now reached ridiculous complexity when it comes to trying to "dry out" bodybuilders so they’re more ripped than any anatomy chart illustration on contest day. He quotes former Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates, who notes that despite the chemistry experiments with insulin and diuretics, "I don’t see the guys getting any harder."
BS man Neo knows the facts internet pictures don't lie people do >:(
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
What do you know you're Australian
next ..... ;)
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4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
He's an IFBB judge he would know who has the better conditioning , Oppps Sorry Dorian , Neosemenole " The Certified Personal Trainer " know more about competitive bodybuilding than a 6 time Mr. Olympia winner and an IFBB Judge lmmfao he learned all of this on www.GetBig.com looking at magazine scans and compressed Youtube video lol
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
BULLSHIT Peter I don't care of you have 40 plus years in the industry and was the editor of the biggest bodybuilding publication in the world , Neosemenole from GetBig proved you were wrong using ' overwhelming visual evidence ' and his skills as a " Certified Personal Trainer " lol
Has the quality of physique seen on the pro stage these days changed much compared to when you were competing as a professional?
I don't think the physiques have changed radically. I think a lot of people are trying to go the size route. My sole goal when getting ready for a contest was not building a lot of size, although when I was coming up pure muscle size was still very important. I was always really concerned about coming in very sharp conditioning wise.
I think that is lacking a little bit now, and it has occurred over the past few years. You go to a pro show now and you see a couple of guys who are in really good shape and the rest of the lineup is so-so, or not so good. Back when I was competing in the Olympia I think you saw a lot of guys who were in really good shape.
There was a greater emphasis on conditioning, but now you see guys going for size at the expense of conditioning. It seems strange me saying that, as I was known for my muscle size, but it was not my priority in getting ready for a contest. Obviously I carried a lot of muscle but my main thing was to come in super-ripped
Yates didn't I tell you Neosemenole found you out? he proved without a shadow ( no pun ) of a doubt your conditioning was overrated and a myth , stop lying Neo owns your mind ;)
First of all, Dorian would bring to the stage a package so massive and freakily conditioned that throughout his career as Mr. Olympia no one would come close to defeating him on size and hardness. His level of development set a new standard in bodybuilding excellence, one that is being favorably looked upon, and replicated by many in the sport, today.
More BULLSHIT his conditioning was ' overrated ' Neo knows what really happened
Peter Mcgough
"These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."
javascript:void(0);
Sad
Hey didn't you already say this? stop propagating this ' myth '
Flex Magazine October 2004 - Peter McGough’s commentary on the "voodoo" that has now reached ridiculous complexity when it comes to trying to "dry out" bodybuilders so they’re more ripped than any anatomy chart illustration on contest day. He quotes former Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates, who notes that despite the chemistry experiments with insulin and diuretics, "I don’t see the guys getting any harder."
BS man Neo knows the facts internet pictures don't lie people do >:(
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
What do you know you're Australian
next ..... ;)
I dont usually read your long ass posts but this one made me lol hard ;D
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I dont usually read your long ass posts but this one made me lol hard ;D
:) thanks !
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He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him.
dorian, you clearly felt WRONG:
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dorian, you clearly felt WRONG:
Yeah and Dorian gets crushed by Ronnie 1997 as well LMMFAO you're such a tool
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Yeah and Dorian gets crushed by Ronnie 1997 as well LMMFAO you're such a tool
yeah, what a tool ::), considering most industry experts (not morons like you) feel that dorian is not even close to Ronnie Coleman, a fact you cannot deal with.
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yeah, what a tool ::), considering most industry experts (not morons like you) feel that dorian is not even close to Ronnie Coleman, a fact you cannot deal with.
No a tool is someone who says a 9th place Ronnie Coleman crushes a 1995 Olympia Yates lol
most industry experts don't feel Dorian is not even close thats a lie , most consider him the ONLY one who could go head to head with Ronnie , see misinformation and then see dumb
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The intelligent position would to be take the subject on the matter from the authority of another seeing how I wasn't there and neither were you to say he's wrong and you're right despite never once seeing ANY of them live and in the flesh is just plain stupid and insanely ignorant and the means in which you reached your opinion are highly inaccurate to begin with one can only laugh at the absurdity of your claims and see you with biased and ignorant eyes the evidence is overwhelming to YOU , again you see what YOU want and see what YOU think is reality via pictures and compressed video
wrong, the intelligent position would be to analyze all the evidence: pics, videos, and testimony from people who saw Dorian and Ronnie compete. Since you seem to put a greater emphasis on what an authority figure said, I posted a quote from Joe Weider, Team Flex and Lonnie Teper, all saying that Ronnie's physique at his best is unbeatable. Where's your God now, idiot? ;)
and again please show me ONE quote to the contrary that Dorian was never better conditioned than Ronnie , there are NO quotes to the ' contrary ' as you claim thats a lie
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
I the irony of you saying anyone looks dumb lol the guy who NEVER seen Yates and Coleman in person telling Peter McGough he's wrong on the topic lol enough said
the irony is a delusional fan body such as yourself dismissing Peter McGough when you disagree with him, and then accusing me of doing the same thing you're guilty of. ;)
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4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
He's an IFBB judge he would know who has the better conditioning , Oppps Sorry Dorian , Neosemenole " The Certified Personal Trainer " know more about competitive bodybuilding than a 6 time Mr. Olympia winner and an IFBB Judge lmmfao he learned all of this on www.GetBig.com looking at magazine scans and compressed Youtube video lol
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
blah blah blah
yawn ::)
RONNIE IS UNBEATABLE
Joe Weider
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.”
Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207
"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004
"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006
“I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been.”
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
“From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great.”
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BEST BACK EVER
Jim Schmaltz – Flex, April 2002
“The 37-year-old Coleman has what many of the sport's analysts feel is the best back ever.”
Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. O)
1998 Mr. Olympia Contest Review by Max Muscle Sports and Fitness
Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Bannout and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing.”
http://www.maxmuscle.com/index.cfm?fa=article&doc_id=22&subcat=body_building
ON THE SUBJECT OF CONDITIONING
Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
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wrong, the intelligent position would be to analyze all the evidence: pics, videos, and testimony from people who saw Dorian and Ronnie compete. Since you seem to put a greater emphasis on what an authority figure said, I posted a quote from Joe Weider, Team Flex and Lonnie Teper, all saying that Ronnie's physique at his best is unbeatable. Where's your God now, idiot? ;)
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
the irony is a delusional fan body such as yourself dismissing Peter McGough when you disagree with him, and then accusing me of doing the same thing you're guilty of. ;)
NONE of those quotes say Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian stop lying , again Dorian is an IFBB judge you have a problem with his claim take it up with him , dummy ;)
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BEST BACK EVER
Jim Schmaltz – Flex, April 2002
“The 37-year-old Coleman has what many of the sport's analysts feel is the best back ever.”
Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. O)
1998 Mr. Olympia Contest Review by Max Muscle Sports and Fitness
Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Bannout and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing.”
http://www.maxmuscle.com/index.cfm?fa=article&doc_id=22&subcat=body_building
never seen those before ::) I wont bother post the multiple quotes saying Dorian back is better ;)
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NONE of those quotes say Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian stop lying , again Dorian is an IFBB judge you have a problem with his claim take it up with him , dummy
yes, run away from the quotes from Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper like the coward you are. I own you at your own game. Now run along, little boy. I hear your mom calling. ;)
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BEST BACK EVER
Jim Schmaltz – Flex, April 2002
“The 37-year-old Coleman has what many of the sport's analysts feel is the best back ever.”
Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. O)
1998 Mr. Olympia Contest Review by Max Muscle Sports and Fitness
Only Milos Sarcev, in his evaluation of Mr. Olympia contenders in the last issue of Max Muscle, saw Coleman as having a good chance: "At this time, Ron has the best back in the history of the sport," said Mishko, "even better than Bannout and Haney, or Dorian. Ron's thicker, wider, more pleasing.”
http://www.maxmuscle.com/index.cfm?fa=article&doc_id=22&subcat=body_building
ON THE SUBJECT OF CONDITIONING
Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
Where are the quotes supporting your argument? I don't see ONE single quote saying specific that Ronnie's conditioning is better than Dorian Yates ??? ??? ??? where is the quote from the IFBB judge? I'll be waiting ;)
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dorian, you clearly felt WRONG:
For one post can you not post Dorian Yate's pictures all over the place? Again, Yates and ND are so in your pathetic closeted homo mind that it's fucking sick. He is in your avatar signature and even invades every post your type on GetBig...do you have these arguments at home and with friends?
I can just imagine one of your "friends" asking you about your favorite sports team and you just spitting out a delusional diatribe about Yates and why Ronnie was better...while throwing out pictures of a oiled up Yates in a thong that you carry around with you as well.
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yes, run away from the quotes from Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper like the coward you are. I own you at your own game. Now run along, little boy. I hear your mom calling. ;)
I don't need to run away from those quote and never have , you're really reaching now those have been answered DOZENS of times over ....nice try ;)
They gave their opinion on a subjective topic I don't need to run from them , I'm still waiting for the quotes from an IFBB judge saying Ronnie's conditioning was better than Dorians ;) tick tock , tick tock , tick tock
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For one post can you not post Dorian Yate's pictures all over the place? Again, Yates and ND are so in your pathetic closeted homo mind that it's fucking sick. He is in your avatar signature and even invades every post your type on GetBig...do you have these arguments at home and with friends?
I can just imagine one of your "friends" asking you about your favorite sports team and you just spitting out a delusional diatribe about Yates and why Ronnie was better...while throwing out pictures of a oiled up Yates in a thong that you carry around with you as well.
Great post ! you can add Neosemenole to the list of ND fan-boys who follow me like puppies looking for their Master
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http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=953337&page=2
lol
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So is the main argument for Dorian being a better bodybuilder than Ronnie is that Dorian acheived harder conditioning precontest? And that trumps everything else muscle size, seperation and detail all of which Ronnie has in spades?
Well if that's the main argument then I've got to disagree, it shouldn't be about who took the most diuretics precontest or whatever chemical they use to get ripped, at least not in my opinion otherwise you may as well claim that Rich Gaspari was a better bodybuilder than Lee Haney because he had harder conditioning or Andreas Munzer was the greatest bodybuilder ever.
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/rich6.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/haney/lh216.jpg)
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So is the main argument for Dorian being a better bodybuilder than Ronnie is that Dorian acheived harder conditioning precontest? And that trumps everything else muscle size, seperation and detail all of which Ronnie has in spades?
Well if that's the main argument then I've got to disagree, it shouldn't be about who took the most diuretics precontest or whatever chemical they use to get ripped, at least not in my opinion otherwise you may as well claim that Rich Gaspari was a better bodybuilder than Lee Haney because he had harder conditioning or Andreas Munzer was the greatest bodybuilder ever.
No you neglected muscle balance & Proportion , posing & presentation , and depending on the year size
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No you neglected muscle balance & Proportion , posing & presentation , and depending on the year size
Well maybe an argument can be made for posing & presentation but size? If we are comparing them from their best years I don't see how anyone at all could think Dorian wins cause of size.
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/6xo1.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc702.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc198.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc109.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc174.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc256.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc62.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo180.jpg)
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No you neglected muscle balance & Proportion , posing & presentation , and depending on the year size
And as for muscle balance & proportion I don't see how Dorian beat Ronnie in that regard either, Ronnie was more aesthetic.
Dorian had size but as for posing presentation well Shawn Ray was better in that regard and as for Muscle Balance & proportion Flex Wheeler was a lot better as well, so what is the real reason Dorian was better? It has to come down to size and conditioning and Ronnie eclipsed him in size so all Dorian really had that wasn't beat was arguably his conditioning, and that's not enough to make him a better bodybuilder because anyone can take lots of diuretics and chemicals to get dry.
I don't know how anyone could look at these pics and say Dorian had better balance & proportion.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc4.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo629.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc624.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc199.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc324.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc440.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo12.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc441.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Coleman01.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc104.jpg)
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so what is the real reason Dorian was better?
he wasn't. thats the point that everyone is trying to get through ND's thick skull..
I don't know how anyone could look at these pics and say Dorian had better balance & proportion.
its okay, no one else does either.
you see, ND and his two bitches are the only people who think dorian had better balance and proportion than a peak Ronnie Coleman.
no one else in the bb community agrees with these idiots, apparently.
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can you imagine if dorian tried to pull off this shot?
LOL
his massive thick waist and gut would be spilling all over the place, his peashooter arms would look pathetic and his thin upper chest would disappear
it would be hilarious compared to 99 Ronnie:
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he wasn't. thats the point that everyone is trying to get through ND's thick skull..
its okay, no one else does either.
you see, ND and his two bitches are the only people who think dorian had better balance and proportion than a peak Ronnie Coleman.
no one else in the bb community agrees with these idiots, apparently.
Stop speaking for the ' bb community ' you fucking dummy , you're the same fucking moron who claims Ronnie 1997 crushes Dorian 1995 LMMFAO what do you know? you're the same idiot who claims Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian , and Flex Wheeler beat Dorian in 1993 again what do you know? I'm sure the entire ' bb community ' agree with you there as well ;)
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can you imagine if dorian tried to pull off this shot?
LOL
his massive thick waist and gut would be spilling all over the place, his peashooter arms would look pathetic and his thin upper chest would disappear
it would be hilarious compared to 99 Ronnie:
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Stop speaking for the ' bb community ' you fucking dummy , you're the same fucking moron who claims Ronnie 1997 crushes Dorian 1995 LMMFAO what do you know? you're the same idiot who claims Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian , and Flex Wheeler beat Dorian in 1993 again what do you know? I'm sure the entire ' bb community ' agree with you there as well ;)
epic meltdown to avoid reality.
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epic meltdown to avoid reality.
I agree all of those statements you made were clearly ignorant meltdown statements ;)
I'm still laughing at Ronnie 1997 CRUSHES Dorian 1995 lol thats among your best
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=269525;image)
Coleman is actually less aesthetic than Yates especially in the calves and midsection.
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Who could seriously call this physique aesthetic?
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/comp0030.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/Ronnie_Coleman_photo180.jpg)
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/6xo1.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc109.jpg)
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Who could seriously call this physique aesthetic?
Of course not these idiots don't know what aesthetic is , he he more aesthetic than Dorian sure thats not saying much
Three muscles that are considered aesthetic muscles , abdominals & calves and deltoids and Coleman is shit out of luck on two of the three , the have to cling on to dear life with these inconsequential ' advantages ' such as taper & narrow waist & hips its all nonsense
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Of course not these idiots don't know what aesthetic is , he he more aesthetic than Dorian sure thats not saying much
Three muscles that are considered aesthetic muscles , abdominals & calves and deltoids and Coleman is shit out of luck on two of the three , the have to cling on to dear life with these inconsequential ' advantages ' such as taper & narrow waist & hips its all nonsense
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holy shit man you have no fucking clue what you are talking about ::)
Ronnie is more aesthetic because of exactly what you call "nonsense":
narrow waist with better taper
better shape to his arms, legs, delts, etc.
Dorian has better calves but they work AGAINST him in terms of aesthetics because they look bigger than his fucking ARMS in most shots -hence calves way too big, arms way too small - you know, peashooter arms..
his abs are better but they sit on a thick keg waist.
Ronnie looks like a cartoon character (so everyone says) because of his amazing proportions and taper (when at his best)
dorian looks like a construction worker/fridge (so everyone says) because of his thick blocky unaesthetic taper and unshapely arms, quads etc.
its easy to see:
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what the hell is going on here? you 2 retards made ANOTHER hulkster truce-thread and it's already 19 pages? the other one, that went going on for 2+ years wasnt enough?
jesus.
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holy shit man you have no fucking clue what you are talking about ::)
Ronnie is more aesthetic because of exactly what you call "nonsense":
narrow waist with better taper
better shape to his arms, legs, delts, etc.
Dorian has better calves but they work AGAINST him in terms of aesthetics because they look bigger than his fucking ARMS in most shots -hence calves way too big, arms way too small - you know, peashooter arms..
his abs are better but they sit on a thick keg waist.
Ronnie looks like a cartoon character (so everyone says) because of his amazing proportions and taper (when at his best)
dorian looks like a construction worker/fridge (so everyone says) because of his thick blocky unaesthetic taper and unshapely arms, quads etc.
its easy to see:
Dummy having a narrower waist & hips mean NOTHING when his abdominals suck and his gut is protruding , same with calves the irony you saying his calves look bigger than his arms in some poses in EVERY single pose Ronnie's pathetic excuses for calves get dwarfed by his arms , aesthetic muscles , calves WHICH Ronnie has NONE of , abdominal WHICH Ronnie's suck alien shaped 4-pack that sticks out even at his best , like everything else YOU don't know what aesthetics are
NO ONE is arguing Ronnie isn't more aesthetic than Yates who cares it means DICK only you think it does , Dorian NEVER won because he was aesthetic he won because of his superior combo of size , density , dryness , balance , proportion , posing and presentation and because he was complete , stick all your straw advantages up your ass they only mean something to you
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holy shit man you have no fucking clue what you are talking about ::)
Ronnie is more aesthetic because of exactly what you call "nonsense":
narrow waist with better taper
better shape to his arms, legs, delts, etc.
Dorian has better calves but they work AGAINST him in terms of aesthetics because they look bigger than his fucking ARMS in most shots -hence calves way too big, arms way too small - you know, peashooter arms..
his abs are better but they sit on a thick keg waist.
Ronnie looks like a cartoon character (so everyone says) because of his amazing proportions and taper (when at his best)
dorian looks like a construction worker/fridge (so everyone says) because of his thick blocky unaesthetic taper and unshapely arms, quads etc.
its easy to see:
NO contest
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Like every other shot Ronnie doesn't meet the criteria as well as Dorian old news , he has the best combo of what the judges are looking for
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thick keg waist,
shitty quads...what else is new? ::)
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no contest: Ronnie has the shape that gives him the look of a champion bodybuilder.
dorian has the shape that gives him the look of a refrigerator repair man.. :-\
trying to argue that dorian was more aesthetic than ronnie is like trying to argue that dorian was better than ronnie.
its not supported by anything in real life and its an opinion held by one or two idiots only..
oh wait... :-\
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thick keg waist,
shitty quads...what else is new? ::)
LMFAO thats what you have to offer? I can counter with Ronnie's shitty abs and pathetic calves , shall I continue? commit this to memory dummy All rounds are physique rounds so OVERALL despite his ' thick keg waist ' and ' shitty quads ' he still beats Ronnie in this and any other pose , because? all rounds are physique rounds , what that means moron NO matter what pose the judges assess Muscular size , Muscle density , Muscle dryness , Muscle balance , Muscle proportion , technical posing & presentation and while Ronnie may have a clear advantage is PARTS of this criteria as a WHOLE He doesn't beat Dorian on ALL of it ;)
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no contest: Ronnie has the shape that gives him the look of a champion bodybuilder.
dorian has the shape that gives him the look of a refrigerator repair man.. :-\
Shape ::) Flex Wheeler's natural shape kills Ronnies , he never gained any ground on Dorian ever wonder why? Dorian doesn't need Ronnie's shape to beat him like he did the eight previous times you think a tad more size and better condition means anything to a man who wrote the book on both of them?
see clueless
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its not hard to see Yates getting KILLED in the aesthetics department, by Ronnie, Flex and Shawn:
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its not hard to see Yates getting KILLED in the aesthetics department, by Ronnie, Flex and Shawn:
Thank you for proving my point dummy , what did aesthetics do for Shawn & Flex? thank you ;)
Dorian crushed everyone because he was big , hard , dry and balanced that what the judges want , Ronnie got his ass handed to him in the aesthetics department as well and it didn't matter in his case either he didn't win because of that , much to learn dummy
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All rounds are physique rounds
Dorian wins because all of the criteria is assessed in each and every single pose , muscle size , muscle density , muscle dryness , muscle proportion , muscle balance , posing , presentation , completeness are ALL judged at the exact same time in every single pose , so while Ronnie may have some advantages in PARTS of he criteria he doesn't beat Dorian in ALL of the criteria
Dorian was so far ahead of the competition in 1993 they didn't even need him in the muscularity round that never happened to Ronnie EVER in his career or anyone else on the Olympia stage that speaks VOLUMES of his completeness and dominance
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Thank you for proving my point dummy , what did aesthetics do for Shawn & Flex? thank you
it would have given them the Mr. O. IF they were as wide and thick in the back as dorian.
LIKE RONNIE WAS..
lol
you just owned yourself.
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Dorian crushed everyone because he was big , hard , dry and balanced that what the judges want , Ronnie got his ass handed to him in the aesthetics department as well and it didn't matter in his case either he didn't win because of that , much to learn dummy
sigh.
you have no clue do you?
Ronnie won because of his combo of aesthetics AND size, not one or the other you moron.
dorian won because he had a good back, but he was nothing special from the front.
great back, ho hum front.
same old story with dorian.
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it would have given them the Mr. O. IF they were as wide and thick in the back as dorian.
LIKE RONNIE WAS..
lol
you just owned yourself.
You act like thats the only advantage Dorian had on them , which highlights your ignorance once again , Ronnie 1999 isn't as hard or dry as Dorian , he isn't as big 257 VS 269 pounds he's NOT as complete as Dorian , he's not as balanced as Dorian , he still can't pose as good as Dorian , so much for your wider back and thicker back paper advantage which he wouldn't enjoy on Yates either , next.......
you just owned yourself dummy , no matter what you type , what paper advantages you come up with he will NEVER be as complete as Dorian , his torso length will never be like Yates , arm length , leg length , his calves will NEVER match his quads , his forearms will never match his biceps/triceps , etc , etc , etc
see ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS ;)
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sigh.
you have no clue do you?
Ronnie won because of his combo of aesthetics AND size, not one or the other you moron.
dorian won because he had a good back, but he was nothing special from the front.
great back, ho hum front.
same old story with dorian.
LMFAO I've read every single contest report from Ronnie's Olympia reign and NO WHERE does it claim he won because he was aesthetic , shut up with this nonsense
the comment in bold shows your blatant ignorance , recall all rounds are physique rounds , every pose Dorian still has advantages lol I'm still laughing at ho hum from the front when his ab-thigh and front latspread are among the best the sport has seen
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These shot are simply better than Ronnie based on the criteria
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These shot are simply better than Ronnie based on the criteria
the abs-and-thigh pose? Perhaps, but not the front double biceps, front lat spread, side chest, back double biceps, back lat spread, or most muscular pose.
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This shot is simply AMAZING. Ronnie NEVER had sunken cheeks like this! Extreme conditioning! Simply amazing
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=269585;image)
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This shot is simply AMAZING. Ronnie NEVER had sunken cheeks like this! Extreme conditioning! Simply amazing
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=269585;image)
One of the best Doz shots. The thing about Semenhole and company is that they just try to pretend that Yates was nothing at all and deserved nothing but last place everytime. Doz fans will all give Ronnie his props but just think that peak Doz pips him. One side is balanced and reasonable and the other seem like they are girlfriends of Ronnie and can't stop being bitchy.
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This shot is simply AMAZING. Ronnie NEVER had sunken cheeks like this! Extreme conditioning! Simply amazing
God damn, I just love proving you nuthuggers wrong! ;D
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman29a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie13b.jpg)
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it would have given them the Mr. O. IF they were as wide and thick in the back as dorian.
LIKE RONNIE WAS..
lol
you just owned yourself.
One thing that must be said:
Dorian knew when to quit
Ronald has not yet proven this to himself
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One of the best Doz shots. The thing about Sir NeoSeminole and company is that they just try to pretend that Yates was nothing at all and deserved nothing but last place everytime. Doz fans will all give Ronnie his props but just think that peak Doz pips him. One side is balanced and reasonable and the other seem like they are girlfriends of Ronnie and can't stop being bitchy.
the thing about muscle worshipers like you is that you get so defensive that you attack anyone you perceive as a threat to your man crush. I never once acted like Dorian was undeserving of his wins or that he deserved last place. You must be confusing me with someone else.
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damn, look at this b*tch's sunken cheeks. She must have even crazier conditioning than Dorian or Ronnie! ::)
(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2186/53399170zm5.jpg)
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the thing about muscle worshipers like you is that you get so defensive that you attack anyone you perceive as a threat to your man crush. I never once acted like Dorian was undeserving of his wins or that he deserved last place. You must be confusing me with someone else.
You're the phag who has made it his life's work to make thousands of posts about two guys in underwear. You're the one who spends all his time salivating over a black dude with his trunks in his ass. Seriously, you sound like a little bitch who is hot for her man the way you go on and on for hours a day, days a week, and weeks a year cheerleading for a middle-aged man in a thong. You have no place to point the finger at people about man crushes, unless you're pointing it at Ronnie's anus, to guide your tongue
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You're the phag who has made it his life's work to make thousands of posts about two guys in underwear. You're the one who spends all his time salivating over a black dude with his trunks in his ass. Seriously, you sound like a little bitch who is hot for her man the way you go on and on for hours a day, days a week, and weeks a year cheerleading for a middle-aged man in a thong. You have no place to point the finger at people about man crushes, unless you're pointing it at Ronnie's anus, to guide your tongue
aww, did I hurt your feelings? You sound like a bitter woman who just got told.
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the abs-and-thigh pose? Perhaps, but not the front double biceps, front lat spread, side chest, back double biceps, back lat spread, or most muscular pose.
no perhaps about it , Dorian still has better balance & proportion , Ronnie still has a short torso in all poses , he still has arms to long for his torso , he still has long legs , his calves are still not in proportion with his with his quads , his forearms are still not in proportion with his biceps/triceps this is evident in every single pose
a concept you and Hulkster can't seem to grasp is all rounds are physique rounds , so even in poses you think Ronnie wins he still loses , despite having a narrower waist & hips and better biceps he still loses the front double biceps when all of the criteria is applied , judges take into account , overall muscular size , dryness , density , muscle balance , proportion , torso length , arm length in relation to the torso , leg length , proportion of the muscles in relation to each other , technical posing , presentation , so while Ronnie has some advantages in poses when everything is assessed he still doesn't meet the criteria as good as Dorian. your response is typical of your ignorance of how competitive bodybuilding is judged .
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This shot is truly awful. Less aesthetic than any shot of Yates.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman29a.jpg)
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This shot is truly awful. Less aesthetic than any shot of Yates.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman29a.jpg)
indeed
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LMFAO I've read every single contest report from Ronnie's Olympia reign and NO WHERE does it claim he won because he was aesthetic , shut up with this nonsense
you just don't get it do you? ::)
so, let me get this straight:
you think that 98/99 Ronnie had no aesthetic qualities just because you did not see it written down in a magazine? ???
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you really need to get your fucking head out of your quotes and starting using your own fucking eyes and brains:
this is aesthetics, size AND detail:
an effective combination of all three, something that the keg could never present so effectively: his fridge type physique by definition would not allow it.
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dorian is right on par with Ferrigno on aesthetics LOL
Ronnie is in a class far above both of them in that department, among all other departments.
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look at that: dorian is a barrel with twigs.
quick question:
who is more aesthetic?: hahahhahahaha
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These shot are simply better than Ronnie based on the criteria
Better than Ronnie? You really think so? Anyway yes Dorian did have a few poses that he looked good in like the ab & thigh pose and the side triceps but an awful lot where he looked downright average.
The fact is without his wide back he would never have been Mr Olympia, he had a big gut, small arms which had very little separation and quads that appeared narrow from the front which also had very little separation, after 93 he really was a keg just a big block for a torso with limbs that got smaller and smaller. Truth is he had a very ugly physique which appeared decent at a lighter bodyweight but got worse and worse the bigger he got not unlike what happened to King Kamali.
How Dorian won so many Olympias is definitely a little suspect since he knew how to play the political game with the judges for example Steve Weinberger an IFBB pro judge who was befriended by Yates and Dorian stayed at his gym in Syosset, New York and lived there at Steve's house for the last few weeks prior to each Olympia. I mean come on in another sport that would be grounds for an investigation but Dorian got away with it and won the Olympia no matter how many bad muscle tears he had.
He had the ugliest physique of any Mr Olympia ever. He also took way too much GH to overcome his genetic limitations.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy60.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy58.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy179.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy64.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy197.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy93.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy69.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/yates/dy178.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy66.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates04.jpg)
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Anyway yes Dorian did have a few poses that he looked good in like the ab & thigh pose and the side triceps but an awful lot where he looked downright average. The fact is without his wide back he would never have been Mr Olympia, he had a big gut, small arms which had very little separation and quads that appeared narrow from the front which also had very little separation, after 93 he really was a keg just a big block for a torso with limbs that got smaller and smaller. Truth is he had a very ugly physique which appeared decent at a lighter bodyweight but got worse and worse the bigger he got not unlike what happened to King Kamali.
excellent post. very well said and very true.
ND is living in fantasy land.
thankfully, the rest of the bb community is not that stupid.
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He had the ugliest physique of any Mr Olympia ever.
very true
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no perhaps about it , Dorian still has better balance & proportion , Ronnie still has a short torso in all poses , he still has arms to long for his torso , he still has long legs , his calves are still not in proportion with his with his quads , his forearms are still not in proportion with his biceps/triceps this is evident in every single pose
Ronnie has better muscular bulk, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness. If you want to discuss proportion, Dorian's arms are smaller than his calves, his waist is too wide, his lower pecs overpower his upper pecs, and his calves are too big for his quads.
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Dorian's arms are smaller than his calves, his waist is too wide, his lower pecs overpower his upper pecs, and his calves are too big for his quads.
but this is what ND is in complete denial over...
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barrel with lots of twigs, even at his 95 "best" LOL
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who was more aesthetic?: :-*
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Ronnie has better muscular bulk, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness.
of course he does.
what ND cannot understand is that its not just muscular size,
eg. dorian and ronnie at thier bests were the basically the same weight and height.
however, Ronnie has round full muscle bellies with great shape and narrow hips with a better taper.
dorian has ugly arm shape, quad shape, thick waist/hip and with an inferior taper.
ie worse aesthetics, less definition (except for the abs and calves).
its no wonder he gets owned in all the comparisons.
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Better than Ronnie? You really think so? Anyway yes Dorian did have a few poses that he looked good in like the ab & thigh pose and the side triceps but an awful lot where he looked downright average.
The fact is without his wide back he would never have been Mr Olympia, he had a big gut, small arms which had very little separation and quads that appeared narrow from the front which also had very little separation, after 93 he really was a keg just a big block for a torso with limbs that got smaller and smaller. Truth is he had a very ugly physique which appeared decent at a lighter bodyweight but got worse and worse the bigger he got not unlike what happened to King Kamali.
How Dorian won so many Olympias is definitely a little suspect since he knew how to play the political game with the judges for example Steve Weinberger an IFBB pro judge who was befriended by Yates and Dorian stayed at his gym in Syosset, New York and lived there at Steve's house for the last few weeks prior to each Olympia. I mean come on in another sport that would be grounds for an investigation but Dorian got away with it and won the Olympia no matter how many bad muscle tears he had.
He had the ugliest physique of any Mr Olympia ever. He also took way too much GH to overcome his genetic limitations.
The fact without is back we would have never been Mr Olympia? lol this sentence ended me taken your point of view seriously and you posted selected pictures that prove NOTHING I could post dozens of Coleman looking like garbage as well , at HIS BEST pay attention to that statement at HIS BEST Dorian satisfies the criteria better than Ronnie does
and typical Ronnie guy excuse politics , what you failed to mention is Weinberger judged Dorian ONCE in his career and guess where he adjudicated him? second place , so much for that lame excuse , you people are the same idiots who claim 2001 Olympia was right on the money but Yates was ' politics ' lol see hypocrite
and I laughed out loud when I read ' genetic limitations ' you're one of those idiots who are just repeating what they read in magazines about Yates not having good genetics , nonsense his genetics were OUTSTANDING especially for building massive amounts of dense conditioned size , I've said it many times before its NOT a coinsidence that the average Coleman fan is just plain ignorant thanks for proving me right ;)
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you just don't get it do you? ::)
so, let me get this straight:
you think that 98/99 Ronnie had no aesthetic qualities just because you did not see it written down in a magazine? ???
::)
you really need to get your fucking head out of your quotes and starting using your own fucking eyes and brains:
this is aesthetics, size AND detail:
an effective combination of all three, something that the keg could never present so effectively: his fridge type physique by definition would not allow it.
NO Ronnie wasn't aesthetic because the magazines said so , because he has an ugly physique thats why and I judged that with my own eyes , he lacking in two of the three ' aesthetics ' muscle , calves which he has none , and abdominals which protrude and are genetically odd shaped , you're the dummy who thinks small waist & hips means aesthetic it takes much more than that , with my OWN EYES dummy I compared Ronnie's physique to guys who really are aesthetic like Lee Labrada , Bob Paris and Frank Zane , Steve Reeves , Flex Wheeler , etc and came to that conclusion all my self ;)
Again while Ronnie may be more 'a aesthetic ' than Dorian its not saying much its a paper advantage
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Ronnie has better muscular bulk, definition, symmetry, shape, and fullness. If you want to discuss proportion, Dorian's arms are smaller than his calves, his waist is too wide, his lower pecs overpower his upper pecs, and his calves are too big for his quads.
Ronnie at 247 pounds does NOT have better muscular bulk thats a lie , definition is conditioning you know dryness and density Dorian has that in spades , shape is subjective , Ronnie does have some better shaped muscle and so does Dorian , fullness isn't 247 pounds , and at his best his arms aren't smaller than his calves thats a nonsense , wide waist never hindered him just like Coleman's gut didn't hurt him , LMMFAO lower pecs overpower his upper , I'll just laugh at that one it could be worse he could have bitch tits ;) and more nonsense calves to big for his quads , yet you'll over look Ronnie quads dominating his calves see hypocrite
at his best Dorian's balance & proportion are clearly better than Ronnie this includes the length of his legs in relation to his torso , the length of his arms in relation to his torso , the length of his torso in relation to his legs , his calves in relation to his quads , forearms in relation to his bicep/triceps , his hamstrings in relation to his quads when viewed in profile , biceps/triceps in relation to his deltoids , to quote and IFBB judge ' his symmetry is near perfect ' you can't counter this and it echo's Yates statement on having better balance than Ronnie and guess what? he an IFBB judge too ;)
Condition & fullness , you know being bone dry & rock hard while maintaining high bodyweight Dorian again old news , I proved my point using quotes from an IFBB judge on this topic as well again you can't counter that either just deny it as usual
posing & presentation - Yates Ronnie can't even do mandatory poses technically , he looks awkward in the front lat spread a pose which should suit him , his side triceps & side chest more poses his structure isn't suited for he looks great in the most muscular and front & rear double biceps shots and the rear latspread but all rounds are physique rounds so while he may meet PART of the criteria better than Yates in these shots OVERALL he still loses them , ever wonder why Yates never lost the symmetry round? ever think about that? see All rounds are physique rounds and then you'll have your answer ;) he destroyed The Sultan of Symmetry for a reason , he dominated everyone for a reason , I let you idiots in on that reason but pride and bias prevent you from admitting the truth , Dorian is the judging criteria
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but this is what ND is in complete denial over...
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barrel with lots of twigs, even at his 95 "best" LOL
It so easy to fucking own you , it take no effort , same contest ....countdown to the excuses ;)
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dorian is right on par with Ferrigno on aesthetics LOL
Ronnie is in a class far above both of them in that department, among all other departments.
since when have asethetics mattered?
not since 1968 when zane beat arnold.
do you really think that ronnie won bc of his asethetics?
he won bc he was the biggest AND the best conditioned - same as yates did.
by the way, when ronnie was getting his assed destroyed, especially by dorian, his asethetics were much better than they were before he started winning the olympia.
OWNED.
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why does yates completely lack striations?
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Ronnie at 247 pounds does NOT have better muscular bulk thats a lie , definition is conditioning you know dryness and density Dorian has that in spades , shape is subjective , Ronnie does have some better shaped muscle and so does Dorian , fullness isn't 247 pounds , and at his best his arms aren't smaller than his calves thats a nonsense , wide waist never hindered him just like Coleman's gut didn't hurt him , LMMFAO lower pecs overpower his upper , I'll just laugh at that one it could be worse he could have bitch tits and more nonsense calves to big for his quads , yet you'll over look Ronnie quads dominating his calves see hypocrite
first of all, I was referring to Ronnie at the 03 Mr. Olympia. I've always maintained that was his best overall package. Anytime I talk about Ronnie beating Dorian, I'm referring to his 03 version. Second, 01 ASC Ronnie does have better muscular bulk. Name one muscle group besides waist and calves that Dorian was bigger. Ronnie had larger biceps, triceps, delts, pecs, glutes, and quads. Third, definition = separations and striations. Conditioning refers to the levels of body fat and water present in the body. Definition is the manifestation of conditioning. Fourth, shape may be subjective but so is bodybuilding. The universal consensus is that a narrow waist and small joints coupled with sweeping muscle bellies are more aesthetic than a blocky physique with flat muscles.
at his best Dorian's balance & proportion are clearly better than Ronnie this includes the length of his legs in relation to his torso , the length of his arms in relation to his torso , the length of his torso in relation to his legs , his calves in relation to his quads , forearms in relation to his bicep/triceps , his hamstrings in relation to his quads when viewed in profile , biceps/triceps in relation to his deltoids , to quote and IFBB judge ' his symmetry is near perfect ' you can't counter this and it echo's Yates statement on having better balance than Ronnie and guess what? he an IFBB judge too
I don't have to counter your quote b/c it doesn't compare both of them. Dorian can have "near perfect" symmetry but Ronnie's is still better. Let's look at the definition of symmetry.
Lee Hayward - http://www.leehayward.com/bodybuilding_terms.htm
"Symmetry - If you have good symmetry, you will have relatively wide shoulders, flaring lats, a small waist-hip structure, and generally small joints."
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Symmetry means one side is shaped the same as the other side--its mirror image. Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other, even though their shapes, or symmetry, might differ. Proportion is nothing more than the relativity of parts and has nothing to do with either symmetry or balance."
according to the criteria above, Ronnie has better symmetry than Dorian. You cannot counter this and guess what? Dorian is an IFBB judge too. ;)
Condition & fullness , you know being bone dry & rock hard while maintaining high bodyweight Dorian again old news , I proved my point using quotes from an IFBB judge on this topic as well again you can't counter that either just deny it as usual
I don't know what the point of this comment is. You never proved that Dorian had better fullness than Ronnie.
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This is like another fucking truce thread.
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why does yates completely lack striations?
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typically, the bigger white bbers do not have striations.
they come in big and harder than the guys that are striated.
here is a list of guys who were big and hard, but no striated, but yet won shows agains guys that were more striated. on that day, the judges chose, size, hardness, and dryness.
-dorian yates
-michael francois
-markus ruhl
-gunter (esp. when he beat ronnie)
-jay cutler
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typically, the bigger white bbers do not have striations.
they come in big and harder than the guys that are striated.
bullshit, that's like me saying:
"the bigger black bodybuilders don't have density."
"they come in big and more striated than the guys that are harder."
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first of all, I was referring to Ronnie at the 03 Mr. Olympia. I've always maintained that was his best overall package. Anytime I talk about Ronnie beating Dorian, I'm referring to his 03 version. Second, 01 ASC Ronnie does have better muscular bulk. Name one muscle group besides waist and calves that Dorian was bigger. Ronnie had larger biceps, triceps, delts, pecs, glutes, and quads. Third, definition = separations and striations. Conditioning refers to the levels of body fat and water present in the body. Definition is the manifestation of conditioning. Fourth, shape may be subjective but so is bodybuilding. The universal consensus is that a narrow waist and small joints coupled with sweeping muscle bellies are more aesthetic than a blocky physique with flat muscles.
I don't have to counter your quote b/c it doesn't compare both of them. Dorian can have "near perfect" symmetry but Ronnie's is still better. Let's look at the definition of symmetry.
Lee Hayward - http://www.leehayward.com/bodybuilding_terms.htm
"Symmetry - If you have good symmetry, you will have relatively wide shoulders, flaring lats, a small waist-hip structure, and generally small joints."
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Symmetry means one side is shaped the same as the other side--its mirror image. Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other, even though their shapes, or symmetry, might differ. Proportion is nothing more than the relativity of parts and has nothing to do with either symmetry or balance."
according to the criteria above, Ronnie has better symmetry than Dorian. You cannot counter this and guess what? Dorian is an IFBB judge too. ;)
I don't know what the point of this comment is. You never proved that Dorian had better fullness than Ronnie.
first of all, I was referring to Ronnie at the 03 Mr. Olympia. I've always maintained that was his best overall package. Anytime I talk about Ronnie beating Dorian, I'm referring to his 03 version. Second, 01 ASC Ronnie does have better muscular bulk. Name one muscle group besides waist and calves that Dorian was bigger. Ronnie had larger biceps, triceps, delts, pecs, glutes, and quads. Third, definition = separations and striations. Conditioning refers to the levels of body fat and water present in the body. Definition is the manifestation of conditioning. Fourth, shape may be subjective but so is bodybuilding. The universal consensus is that a narrow waist and small joints coupled with sweeping muscle bellies are more aesthetic than a blocky physique with flat muscles.
I don't care what you were referring to , you're flat out wrong 03 isn't his best everyone knows this with the exception of you , a common theme. I agree 01 doesn't have better muscular bulk HOWEVER all that extra bulk came at the expense of his personal best balance & proportion , density & dryness hence why NO ONE considers 2003 his best showings
and muscular bulk doesn't refer to who has bigger parts Dorian was MASSIVE everywhere all over his physique and the sum of bigger parts don't amount to the greater whole in terms of muscular balance , what good is a bunch of mixed and matched parts? parts that don't have great proportion from one muscle to the next
Definition is part are parcel of CONDITIONING stop trying play with words , conditioning muscle density & dryness , one can't have highly defined muscles without being dry and hard definition is a by-product of low bodyfat and water levels , I've said this before when guys come in out of shape they don't say he was lacking in definition its an outdtated term thats not used anymore
and you'll get no argument from me Ronnie is more ' aesthetic ' than Yates , however its NOT an advantage of any sorts and he's not even in the league of aesthetic bodybuilders I already mentioned
And symmetry my stupid friend is a term that covers both relative clavicle width narrow waist & hips AND muscular balance & proportion its called the symmetry round however they don't just look for a guy with a small waist & hips and wide clavicles they also look for what I mentioned above , torso length , arm length , upper & lower body balance etc , etc , etc and Dorian said he has better balance DIRECTLY compared to Ronnie so much for your claims AGAIN , like I said dummy Ronnie may have advantages in PARTS of the criteria i.e. narrower waist & hips ( I'm not sure his clavicles are wider than Yates ) however as a whole Dorian beats him in muscle proportion from one to another , torso length , upper & lower balance , etc , etc , etc so again while Ronnie may have an advantage in PART of the criteria when EVERYTHING is assessed he still lags behind Dorian because ALL ROUNDS ARE SYMMETRY ROUNDS
Dorian at 260 pounds withe equal or if NOT better density & dryness is fuller than Ronnie don't mistake being soft and full with what the judges are looking for , easy 260 pounds of dense hard muscle is fuller than 247 pounds
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why does yates completely lack striations?
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He had plenty of them , just not as much as others its call GENETICS ( Neo ;) ) he had striated pecs , lower lats , triceps , glutes , delts , traps . obiques , intercostals , spinal erectors
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since when have asethetics mattered?
not since 1968 when zane beat arnold.
do you really think that ronnie won bc of his asethetics?
he won bc he was the biggest AND the best conditioned - same as yates did.
by the way, when ronnie was getting his assed destroyed, especially by dorian, his asethetics were much better than they were before he started winning the olympia.
OWNED.
They don't matter its one of these paper advantages these idiots cling to for dear life , like ' taper ' Ronnie has a better taper so what it does zero for him in the ab-thigh or front latspread
and great point about Ronnie being more aesthetic when he faced Yates lol
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I don't care what you were referring to , you're flat out wrong 03 isn't his best everyone knows this with the exception of you , a common theme. I agree 01 doesn't have better muscular bulk HOWEVER all that extra bulk came at the expense of his personal best balance & proportion , density & dryness hence why NO ONE considers 2003 his best showings
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Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]." (referring to the judges' propensity to reward mass)
and muscular bulk doesn't refer to who has bigger parts Dorian was MASSIVE everywhere all over his physique and the sum of bigger parts don't amount to the greater whole in terms of muscular balance , what good is a bunch of mixed and matched parts? parts that don't have great proportion from one muscle to the next
muscular bulk refers to the size of the muscles. Dorian had a larger skeletal frame but smaller muscle groups overall.
Definition is part are parcel of CONDITIONING stop trying play with words , conditioning muscle density & dryness , one can't have highly defined muscles without being dry and hard definition is a by-product of low bodyfat and water levels , I've said this before when guys come in out of shape they don't say he was lacking in definition its an outdtated term thats not used anymore
conditioning and definition may go hand in hand, but they are not the same. The purpose of one is to display the other. When a bodybuilder is well conditioned, people say "look at those separations and striations. He must have very low body fat and water levels." They don't say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations."
and you'll get no argument from me Ronnie is more ' aesthetic ' than Yates , however its NOT an advantage of any sorts and he's not even in the league of aesthetic bodybuilders I already mentioned
better muscle shape is an advantage in bodybuilding.
And symmetry my smart friend is a term that covers both relative clavicle width narrow waist & hips AND muscular balance & proportion its called the symmetry round however they don't just look for a guy with a small waist & hips and wide clavicles they also look for what I mentioned above , torso length , arm length , upper & lower body balance etc , etc , etc and Dorian said he has better balance DIRECTLY compared to Ronnie so much for your claims AGAIN , like I said dummy Ronnie may have advantages in PARTS of the criteria i.e. narrower waist & hips ( I'm not sure his clavicles are wider than Yates ) however as a whole Dorian beats him in muscle proportion from one to another , torso length , upper & lower balance , etc , etc , etc so again while Ronnie may have an advantage in PART of the criteria when EVERYTHING is assessed he still lags behind Dorian because ALL ROUNDS ARE SYMMETRY ROUNDS
yawn, read the definition for balance which Dorian himself provided. ;)
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other"
the only way to determine who has better balance is to individually weigh both halves of the body. Since this is impossible, Dorian is speaking out of his ass if he thinks he has better balance.
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bullshit, that's like me saying:
"the bigger black bodybuilders don't have density."
"they come in big and more striated than the guys that are harder."
what i said has nothing to do with skin color or black bbers, but just the facts.
yates, francois, etc. were not straited, but managed great success being harder and dryer than the guys they beat.
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Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Notice she references Ronnie with his load of massive parts just thrown together ;) and notice she mentions proportion in the context of symmetry this is exactly why Dorian beat everyone hands down
he was the best combo of size , density , dryness , balance & proportion , and completeness , and posing and he really didn't have any weak parts AT HIS BEST pay attention to those words his biceps were good certainly NOT weak but not spectacular
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what i said has nothing to do with skin color or black bbers, but just the facts.
wtf? You mentioned "white bbers" in your post. Don't lie.
yates, francois, etc. were not straited, but managed great success being harder and dryer than the guys they beat.
Flex and Ronnie were not as "hard," but managed great success being more striated than the guys they beat. ;)
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Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Notice she references Ronnie with his load of massive parts just thrown together ;) and notice she mentions proportion in the context of symmetry this is exactly why Dorian beat everyone hands down
he was the best combo of size , density , dryness , balance & proportion , and completeness , and posing and he really didn't have any weak parts AT HIS BEST pay attention to those words his biceps were good certainly NOT weak but not spectacular
here we have Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper saying Ronnie's physique at his peak is unbeatable. ;)
Joe Weider
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
let's see what else we can find.
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
here's a quote from the man himself, Dorian Yates.
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
countdown to the excuses... 3... 2... 1... <cue ND> ;)
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Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]." (referring to the judges' propensity to reward mass)
muscular bulk refers to the size of the muscles. Dorian had a larger skeletal frame but smaller muscle groups overall.
conditioning and definition may go hand in hand, but they are not the same. The purpose of one is to display the other. When a bodybuilder is well conditioned, people say "look at those separations and striations. He must have very low body fat and water levels." They don't say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations."
better muscle shape is an advantage in bodybuilding.
yawn, read the definition for balance which Dorian himself provided. ;)
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other"
the only way to determine who has better balance is to individually weigh both halves of the body. Since this is impossible, Dorian is speaking out of his ass if he thinks he has better balance.
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Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
No where does this quote say 2003 is his best showing it just doesn't you can roll your eyes all you'd like this doesn't say 2003 is his best overall showing , it doesn't say this is better than 2001 , more fluff from you stop posting junk
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
More junk , NO WHERE does it say this is his best overall showing it doesn't say he's better than 2001 , see fluff and then see nonsense
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
put the quote in context m he lost in 2002 because he wasn't at his best , he almost lost the 2001/2002 Olympias and 2003 he was at his best i.e. in shape and he is unbeatable when he is in shape which was true in relation to his competition , no where does it say this is his best overall showing or better than 2001 OLD NEWS next
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
See above NO WHERE does it say this is his best overall showing , don't ever harp on me about reading comprehension you dummy , and where does this say this showing is better than 2001 Arnold Classic? yeah I thought so , next and who the fuck is Ryan Mackie? lol
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
lol You're a simpleton because you think this means anything in relation to Dorian Yates it doesn't it has nothing to do with 2001 either , its stating the obvious he was HUGE and he crushed his competition with a physique they couldn't equal , Yates wouldn't have to equal it to beat it he would make Ronnie 2003 look soft
Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"
shakes head see above , 2003 is only his best to ignorant fan boys like you , he was amazing no doubts his best nope
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]." (referring to the judges' propensity to reward mass)
see deception , see Neo omit the part where he says I guess I DON'T KNOW ;) and the propensity is to reward the best overall physique which satisfies the criteria and guess who that favors? ;)
muscular bulk refers to the size of the muscles. Dorian had a larger skeletal frame but smaller muscle groups overall.
NO it doesn't refer to parts it refers to the whole , can you get anymore ignorant? Dorian like Bev Francis said is MASSIVE everywhere not just in certain areas
conditioning and definition may go hand in hand, but they are not the same. The purpose of one is to display the other. When a bodybuilder is well conditioned, people say "look at those separations and striations. He must have very low body fat and water levels." They don't say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations."
and definition is an outdated term , when one refers to a competitor being in shape they say he was hard and dry , when he wasn't in shape he was soft or holding water , one can have defined muscles and still be holding a film of water , one can have striations and still be soft and holding water , density & dryness is what separates the winners from the losers when all other things are equal , the old saying is Flex lost the 98 Olympia because his glutes & hams were soft compared to Ronnie
better muscle shape is an advantage in bodybuilding.
Not at the expense of the other parts of criteria its not and Dorian best more shapely bodybuilders than Ronnie its a paper advantage
yawn, read the definition for balance which Dorian himself provided. ;)
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other"
the only way to determine who has better balance is to individually weigh both halves of the body. Since this is impossible, Dorian is speaking out of his ass if he thinks he has better balance.
again this is assessed in what round? the symmetry round , and thats part of the criteria thats NOT all of it , just like symmetry its more than just wide clavicles and a small waist you tried and bog down the ' debate ' by playing with words and it never works , again Dorian NEVER , ever lost a symmetry round despite never technically being the most ' symmetrical ' I asked you before why is this? and spare me the politics bull shit
and no the only what to determine who gas better balance is to weigh both halves of the body , thats just silly just like hardness can be evaluated visually so can balance which falls under the same umbrella as symmetry and proportion
and Dorian wasn't speaking out of his ass when he said he had better balance it was generalzing the term which a lot of people do in this sport and he would know who has better balance he is after all a IFBB judge ;) and it coincides with Bev Francis comments on his symmetry which include proportion , stop trying to hyperfocus on words , both know a fuck of a lot more about professional bodybuilding than some internet-fan-boy who never even been to a contest
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here we have Joe Weider, Team Flex, and Lonnie Teper saying Ronnie's physique at his peak is unbeatable. ;)
Joe Weider
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex – http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
“We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever — unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
let's see what else we can find.
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
here's a quote from the man himself, Dorian Yates.
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
countdown to the excuses... 3... 2... 1... <cue ND> ;)
No excuses needed , their OPINIONS on the subject are not wrong or right , they are NO MORE RIGHT than the ones Ronnie said about Yates ;) the fact you think these are great and his is wrong shows your desperation , Ernie Taylor , Lee Priest , Peter McGough , all said Yates would win and Yates said I guess I don't know keep omitting that part it shows how desperate you're getting again
Dorian would beat Ronnie why? better balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation and depending on the year muscular bulk old news .
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Dorian has better muscular balance & proportion throughout his entire physique clearly evident in this shot
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Oh boy......... this shyt never ends. Here we go
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Oh boy......... this shyt never ends. Here we go
No this shit ended eons ago when Ronnie said he could never beat Yates ;) the fan-boys can't accept defeat :) hence the follow me around like puppies
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No where does this quote say 2003 is his best showing it just doesn't you can roll your eyes all you'd like this doesn't say 2003 is his best overall showing , it doesn't say this is better than 2001 , more fluff from you stop posting junk
ha ha ha, oh brother! The quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and explicitly mentions "biggest." Ronnie competed at his heaviest weight at the 03 Mr. Olympia. Use your lone brain cell for once. Then maybe you won't look like an idiot.
More junk , NO WHERE does it say this is his best overall showing it doesn't say he's better than 2001 , see fluff and then see nonsense
the quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and uses the present tense "now."
put the quote in context m he lost in 2002 because he wasn't at his best , he almost lost the 2001/2002 Olympias and 2003 he was at his best i.e. in shape and he is unbeatable when he is in shape which was true in relation to his competition , no where does it say this is his best overall showing or better than 2001 OLD NEWS next
again, the quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and uses the present tense when referring to Ronnie.
See above NO WHERE does it say this is his best overall showing , don't ever harp on me about reading comprehension you dummy , and where does this say this showing is better than 2001 Arnold Classic? yeah I thought so , next and who the fuck is Ryan Mackie? lol
f*ck me, you're so stupid. This sentence is as self-explanatory as it gets.
"Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further"
lol You're a simpleton because you think this means anything in relation to Dorian Yates it doesn't it has nothing to do with 2001 either , its stating the obvious he was HUGE and he crushed his competition with a physique they couldn't equal , Yates wouldn't have to equal it to beat it he would make Ronnie 2003 look soft
"presented a physique that has never been seen" and "could not possibly be equaled" means nobody in history or the foreseeable future can match let alone exceed him.
shakes head see above , 2003 is only his best to ignorant fan boys like you , he was amazing no doubts his best nope
Shawn Ray explicitly calls Ronnie "unbelievable." Since the term "unbelievable" describes something that defies belief, it's safe to assume Shawn meant Ronnie presented an overall package of size, definition, and symmetry that had never been seen before.
see deception , see Neo omit the part where he says I guess I DON'T KNOW and the propensity is to reward the best overall physique which satisfies the criteria and guess who that favors?
ha ha ha, everyone knows the judges heavily favor size over conditioning. Jay wasn't the most conditioned bodybuilder when he won the Mr. Olympia, and neither was Ronnie or Lee Haney.
NO it doesn't refer to parts it refers to the whole , can you get anymore ignorant? Dorian like Bev Francis said is MASSIVE everywhere not just in certain areas
muscular = pertaining to the muscles. Muscular bulk = size of the muscles. Hope this helps. :)
and definition is an outdated term , when one refers to a competitor being in shape they say he was hard and dry , when he wasn't in shape he was soft or holding water , one can have defined muscles and still be holding a film of water , one can have striations and still be soft and holding water , density & dryness is what separates the winners from the losers when all other things are equal , the old saying is Flex lost the 98 Olympia because his glutes & hams were soft compared to Ronnie
have you ever heard a person say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations?"
Not at the expense of the other parts of criteria its not and Dorian best more shapely bodybuilders than Ronnie its a paper advantage
I never claimed that Ronnie was better solely due to muscular shape. This, in combination with other criteria, is why I believe Ronnie would beat Dorian.
and no the only what to determine who gas better balance is to weigh both halves of the body , thats just silly just like hardness can be evaluated visually so can balance which falls under the same umbrella as symmetry and proportion
oh yeah? How? ;)
and Dorian wasn't speaking out of his ass when he said he had better balance it was generalzing the term which a lot of people do in this sport and he would know who has better balance he is after all a IFBB judge and it coincides with Bev Francis comments on his symmetry which include proportion , stop trying to hyperfocus on words , both know a fuck of a lot more about professional bodybuilding than some internet-fan-boy who never even been to a contest
show me another quote from an IFBB judge that explicitly defines balance. I'm simply going by what is given.
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other"
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Hell Yeah!!! The Muscletime pics of the 99 Mr. Olympia are finally up!!!
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Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Notice she references Ronnie with his load of massive parts just thrown together ;) and notice she mentions proportion in the context of symmetry this is exactly why Dorian beat everyone hands down
he was the best combo of size , density , dryness , balance & proportion , and completeness , and posing and he really didn't have any weak parts AT HIS BEST pay attention to those words his biceps were good certainly NOT weak but not spectacular
the large disgusting waistline kills his whole look, it especially makes his chest look weak
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Like every other shot Ronnie doesn't meet the criteria as well as Dorian old news , he has the best combo of what the judges are looking for
That 4th pic of Dorian hitting a ab/thigh pose @ the 1994 is incredible thanks for posting. :) :) :)
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ha ha ha, oh brother! The quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and explicitly mentions "biggest." Ronnie competed at his heaviest weight at the 03 Mr. Olympia. Use your lone brain cell for once. Then maybe you won't look like an idiot.
the quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and uses the present tense "now."
again, the quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and uses the present tense when referring to Ronnie.
f*ck me, you're so stupid. This sentence is as self-explanatory as it gets.
"Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further"
"presented a physique that has never been seen" and "could not possibly be equaled" means nobody in history or the foreseeable future can match let alone exceed him.
Shawn Ray explicitly calls Ronnie "unbelievable." Since the term "unbelievable" describes something that defies belief, it's safe to assume Shawn meant Ronnie presented an overall package of size, definition, and symmetry that had never been seen before.
ha ha ha, everyone knows the judges heavily favor size over conditioning. Jay wasn't the most conditioned bodybuilder when he won the Mr. Olympia, and neither was Ronnie or Lee Haney.
muscular = pertaining to the muscles. Muscular bulk = size of the muscles. Hope this helps. :)
have you ever heard a person say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations?"
I never claimed that Ronnie was better solely due to muscular shape. This, in combination with other criteria, is why I believe Ronnie would beat Dorian.
oh yeah? How? ;)
show me another quote from an IFBB judge that explicitly defines balance. I'm simply going by what is given.
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other"
ha ha ha, oh brother! The quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and explicitly mentions "biggest." Ronnie competed at his heaviest weight at the 03 Mr. Olympia. Use your lone brain cell for once. Then maybe you won't look like an idiot.
I don't care if it says it was his biggest no where does it say 2003 is Ronnie's best overall showing even the Joe Weider and the Team Flex quotes all mention different years they feel Ronnie is at his best and 2003 isn't it you're the idiot who constantly claims things to the contrary , in fact I don't thing I've seen single quote saying 2003 was his best overall showing , I've seen plenty from 2001/1998
the quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and uses the present tense "now."
ha ha ha when in doubt try and play with words , get the fuck out of here with your garbage , I'll take your opinion seriously when you can find me multiple credible sources that claim 2003 was his best overall showing and I wont be waiting for them either
again, the quote is from the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue and uses the present tense when referring to Ronnie.
yeah present tense directly related to his previous showings where he lost or came very close to losing , which are examples of Ronnie NOT being at his ' best ' it has nothing to do with his overall showing in 1998 and 2001 once again another example of you taking liberties because you can't find any quotes to support your 'argument' because you can't anyone to validate your ' opinion ' outright and explicitly
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
see how its done? Shawn Perine is a credible source this quote is post 2003 Olympia and he specifically mentions 1998 & 2001 as being his best
Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.
See how its done dummy? its a post 2003 Olympia quote , it says specifically what version is his best and why , thats how its done . ;)
f*ck me, you're so stupid. This sentence is as self-explanatory as it gets.
"Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further"
Same shit with you all the time kid , you reaching as usual. Ronnie did set a new standard in 2003 for size with acceptable conditioning no one is arguing to the contrary , NO WHERE does it say 2003 is his best overall showing more of you and YOUR reading comprehension skills or lack thereof , see how its done above ;) and again who the fuck is Ryan Mackie? his opinion is about as right as yours
"presented a physique that has never been seen" and "could not possibly be equaled" means nobody in history or the foreseeable future can match let alone exceed him.
lmmfao like Hulkster I can always count on your for a laugh. who cares if he presented a physique that has never seen seen? that has NOTHING to do with if it was his personal best overall showing and NO MORON another example of the lack of your reading comprehension skills NO it most certainly doesn't mean EVERYONE is history you're such a fan-boy with these dumb statements ' could not possibly be equaled ' means BY THE FUCKING PEOPLE HE WAS COMPETING WITH AT THAT CONTEST you dummy , Ronnie 2001 or Dorian doesn't have to equaled that physique to beat that physique , its already established 2003 wasn't his best overall showing because his balance & proportion were off as well as his conditioning , he's already down in parts of the criteria and you think extra ' soft ' size can compensate for his lacking in other areas more fan-boy ignorant train of thought
Shawn Ray explicitly calls Ronnie "unbelievable." Since the term "unbelievable" describes something that defies belief, it's safe to assume Shawn meant Ronnie presented an overall package of size, definition, and symmetry that had never been seen before.
More examples of you taking liberties in quotes because you don't have anything to work with , pure speculation on your behalf and nothing more find me a quote from Ray saying 2003 is better than 2001/1998 specifically and then you'll be working with something but these attempts by you of trying to connect the dots are an exercise in failure as usual , see Ronnie calves are comparable to Jay in 03 therefore they'd be comparable to Dorians LMFAO your posts are always good for a laugh riddled with poor comprehension , assumptions , ignorance , quotes from ' fans ' lol
ha ha ha, everyone knows the judges heavily favor size over conditioning. Jay wasn't the most conditioned bodybuilder when he won the Mr. Olympia, and neither was Ronnie or Lee Haney.
Yeah you're right thats why Greg Kovacs was Mr Olympia and Rhul always placed at the top of the heap and Art Atwood crushed everyone LMMFAO you're to simple , no its true Jay wasn't the most conditioned as well as Ronnie and Haney however dummy what you still can't seem to grasp is ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS meaning its the guy who meets all of the criteria the best is the winner
You are still to this day IGNORANT of how contests are judged , seriously you can't be involved in a debate when you don't have a fucking clue on how it works , you can't even get the basics right. You have this idea on what wins contests and what you;re talking about and you're constantly proven wrong and you're to stupid and to proud to admit you're wrong you go to elaborate lengths to bend everything to fit your prospective and you always fail
muscular = pertaining to the muscles. Muscular bulk = size of the muscles. Hope this helps. :)
Again size of ALL muscles not certain ones , a guy 260 pounds is carrying more muscular bulk than a guy 247 pounds , I hope this helps and we're referring to conditioned muscular bulk NOT soft muscular bulk and entertaining your stupidity carrying more muscular bulk at the expense of balance & proportion , density & dryness is an empty advantage and why? because All Rounds are Physique Rounds so your back to square one
have you ever heard a person say "look at that conditioning. He must have separations and striations?"
stop playing with words it gets old already , you think you accomplish anything by trying to toy with words it just exposes your ignorance , you already proven you don't know the basics of competitive bodybuilding you know like balance & proportion , density & dryness , all rounds are physique rounds , judges heavily favor size over conditioning LMMFAO run along with your ignorance
I never claimed that Ronnie was better solely due to muscular shape. This, in combination with other criteria, is why I believe Ronnie would beat Dorian.
lmfao he doesn't beat Yates in the other criteria so your point is moot
show me another quote from an IFBB judge that explicitly defines balance. I'm simply going by what is given.
Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006
"Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other"
No you're not going by what is given , what was given is Dorian saying specific to the debate of Ronnie , he has better balance he's an IFBB judge and his word is Gold , its well established you're ignorant , so when Yates says he has better balance for all intents & purposes he has better balance , so either way YOU want to take the quote have at it , he still says he has better balance and his opinion will always crushes yours
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Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Notice she references Ronnie with his load of massive parts just thrown together ;) and notice she mentions proportion in the context of symmetry this is exactly why Dorian beat everyone hands down
he was the best combo of size , density , dryness , balance & proportion , and completeness , and posing and he really didn't have any weak parts AT HIS BEST pay attention to those words his biceps were good certainly NOT weak but not spectacular
It's a pity Dorian was never able to bring that size and fullness to the stage and the only proof he ever looked that way are the same half dozen black and white photo's that his fans keep posting over and over. But as usual Ronnie was bigger with his usual separation and detail that Dorian never had and Ronnie unlike Dorian actually managed to bring that look to the stage........ repeatedly. Here's Dorians best ever side-chest compared to two shots of Ronnie from different years. Dorian is simply outclassed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=269800)(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/fun0092.jpg)(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/DJINN_123/comp985.jpg)
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It's a pity Dorian was never able to bring that size and fullness to the stage and the only proof he ever looked that way are the same half dozen black and white photo's that his fans keep posting over and over. But as usual Ronnie was bigger with his usual separation and detail that Dorian never had and Ronnie unlike Dorian actually managed to bring that look to the stage........ repeatedly. Here's Dorians best ever side-chest compared to two shots of Ronnie from different years.
You posts are wrong as usual , it wasn't a matter of Yates being ABLE to bring that combo of size & fullness it was a matter of him NOT wanting to take chances in the conditioning department , again the general consensus was he could have stepped onstage appearing as he did in those black & whites and still beat everyone with ease
and you keep mistaken bigger for better and separation & detail which you seem to think trumps the whole package which is it doesn't because?........all rounds are physique rounds please leanr what that means before you commit to future statements
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Detail & separation in spades ;)
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Detail & separation in spades ;)
Yep Dorians one asset he had a good back which unlike the rest of him actually wasn't as smooth as a babies behind and showed decent separation. ;)
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Yep Dorians one asset he had a good back which unlike the rest of him actually wasn't as smooth as a babies behind and showed decent separation. ;)
lol one good asset keep exposing your ignorance with each post ;) his good assets were great conditioning , size , balance and completeness , he dominated everyone for a reason and I'll clue you in on something ...it wasn't because of just his back ;)
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lol one good asset keep exposing your ignorance with each post ;) his good assets were great conditioning , size , balance and completeness , he dominated everyone for a reason and I'll clue you in on something ...it wasn't because of just his back ;)
So it wasn't just because of his back you say? Hmmm, and yet you post one blurry overhead shot of him from the side, and the usual obligatory one of his abs and two shots of his back. Well you've convinced me, I don't know what I was thinking. :)
Anyway his abs are well defined in that shot which was an asset for him since he had so little definition or separation from the front.
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So it wasn't just because of his back you say? Hmmm, and yet you post one blurry overhead shot of him from the side, and the usual obligatory one of his abs and two shots of his back. Well you've convinced me, I don't know what I was thinking. :)
Anyway his abs are well defined in that shot which was an asset for him since he had so little definition or separation from the front.
I don't have to convince you of anything thats impossible you're like the other biased idiots you see what you want , you already made up your mind long ago ;) and your opinion just happens to being in stark contrast to those who judge contests , now take a wild guess on which one of you are right and wrong? ;) I'll wait until you claim politics so I can laugh that off as well
you've already reduced Yates to nothing more than a good back your opinion can't be taken seriously , Dorian dominated because he had the best combination of size , density , dryness , balance , proportion , posing and completeness so while other may have come close or even beat Yates in PARTS of the criteria as a whole NO ONE cam close
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yet again ND totally on the defensive, as 99 ronnie shits all over dorian yates, even at his most ripped 95 shape LOL:
the day you guys have been dreading is finally here:
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yet again ND totally on the defensive, as 99 ronnie shits all over dorian yates, even at his most ripped 95 shape LOL:
the day you guys have been dreading is finally here:
yeah because we never seen 99 Olympia pics before lol yeah because we didn't post them years ago lol hey Hulkster how come they don't like anything like the photoshopped screencaps you kept posting? ;)
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I don't have to convince you of anything thats impossible you're like the other biased idiots you see what you want , you already made up your mind long ago ;) and your opinion just happens to being in stark contrast to those who judge contests , now take a wild guess on which one of you are right and wrong? ;) I'll wait until you claim politics so I can laugh that off as well
you've already reduced Yates to nothing more than a good back your opinion can't be taken seriously , Dorian dominated because he had the best combination of size , density , dryness , balance , proportion , posing and completeness so while other may have come close or even beat Yates in PARTS of the criteria as a whole NO ONE cam close
Maybe I've reduced him to little more than a walking back because that was his only stand out bodypart, not his arms, delts, chest or legs were really that great, but nah I must think that because I'm a biased idiot though I don't know how I am biased since I have no personal stake in this, I'm just calling it like I see it.
But you know I actually thought Dorian looked good around 1992 he didn't look as blocky and his GH gut was under control, the bigger he got though the more there was a disparity between his huge trunk and rapidly shrinking limbs which was further exasperated by muscle tears. And yes while he achieved great dryness from diuretics or other chemicals precontest he had a distinct lack of detail and separation in anything other than his back and abs. ;)
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Maybe I've reduced him to little more than a walking back because that was his only stand out bodypart, not his arms, delts, chest or legs were really that great, but nah I must think that because I'm a biased idiot though I don't know how I am biased since I have no personal stake in this, I'm just calling it like I see it.
But you know I actually thought Dorian looked good around 1992 he didn't look as blocky and his GH gut was under control, the bigger he got though the more there was a disparity between his huge trunk and rapidly shrinking limbs which was further exasperated by muscle tears. And yes while he achieved great dryness from diuretics or other chemicals precontest he had a distinct lack of detail and separation in anything other than his back and abs. ;)
No there is no ' maybe ' about it and just to clue you in on something ..contests aren't judged by bodyparts its judged as a whole , who has the better combo of all the required criteria , so while others may have better parts as a whole they don't stand a chance you can't seem to grasp this concept either
and you act as if his contemporaries weren't using the same diuretics but wait they couldn't get as hard and dry as he did while maintaining their size what gives? again entertaining your point of view having better detail & separation in some parts doesn't mean it will compensate for being deficient in proportion , balance , density & dryness , posing , etc , etc which is why I continue to say as a whole when all things are judged Dorian edges Ronnie out because all rounds are physique rounds thats how it works
and I'm objective as it gets I wasn't rooting for Yates in 93 I was for Flex the difference is I fully understand why he lost despite me wanting him to win
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Textbook back double biceps shot complete from head to toe covering all aspects of the IFBB judging criteria
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
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No there is no ' maybe ' about it and just to clue you in on something ..contests aren't judged by bodyparts its judged as a whole , who has the better combo of all the required criteria , so while others may have better parts as a whole they don't stand a chance you can't seem to grasp this concept either
and you act as if his contemporaries weren't using the same diuretics but wait they couldn't get as hard and dry as he did while maintaining their size what gives? again entertaining your point of view having better detail & separation in some parts doesn't mean it will compensate for being deficient in proportion , balance , density & dryness , posing , etc , etc which is why I continue to say as a whole when all things are judged Dorian edges Ronnie out because all rounds are physique rounds thats how it works
and I'm objective as it gets I wasn't rooting for Yates in 93 I was for Flex the difference is I fully understand why he lost despite me wanting him to win
Yeah all that stuff you said but did you see Ronnie in 99 compared to Dorians best ever conditioning in 95 in Hulksters post?
Game over man, Ronnie doesn't just look bigger he's also got separation and shape that Dorian obviously can't match but I guess all the many photo's that show this are somehow irrelevant as evidence of Ronnies obvious physical superiority to Dorian.
Seriously compare the photo's they don't lie, embrace the truth and let it soothe your troubled soul. Because you are in classic denial. ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=269873)
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Yeah all that stuff you said but did you see Ronnie in 99 compared to Dorians best ever conditioning in 95 in Hulksters post just above this?
Game over man, Ronnie doesn't just look bigger he's also got separation and shape that Dorian obviously can't match but I guess all the many photo's that show this are somehow irrelevant as evidence of Ronnies obvious physical superiority to Dorian.
Seriously compare the photo's, embrace the truth and let it soothe your troubled soul. ;)
wow that one shot sure summed everything it lol where do you people come from? yeah it looks like the game is over :'( because we never seen pictures from the 1999 Olympia , its not like I posted them years ago all of them from Flex magazine's coverage lol and I honestly laughed out loud when I got to ' troubled soul ' that was funny !
whats funny is try as you people may Ronnie himself said on three separate ocassions he could never beat Dorian , I wonder why? especially if he's so far ahead as everyone claims? ??? contests aren't judged on the internet and they aren't judged using one photo either ;)
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whats funny is try as you people may Ronnie himself said on three separate ocassions he could never beat Dorian , I wonder why? especially if he's so far ahead as everyone claims? ??? contests aren't judged on the internet and they aren't judged using one photo either ;)
If someone told you the earth was flat would you believe them? Even if the photo's told you something completely different?
Here's a hint....... believe the photo.
(http://imagebank.ltuae.com/space/the_earth.png)
If Ronnie said anything it's more than likely because he was being humble (something Dorian would never do). :)
Oh and by the way the earth really is round!
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If someone told you the earth was flat would you believe them? Even if the photo's told you something completely different?
Here's a hint....... believe the photo.
If Ronnie said anything it's more than likely because he was being humble (something Dorian would never do). :)
Oh and by the way the earth really is round!
never heard that response before lol Ronnie is ' humble ' was he humble when he said Jay would have to be reborn with better genetics? was he being humble when he said Jay was on crack to think he could beat him? was he being humble when he said he was robbed in 2002 by Gunther? spare me the default excuses such as being humble and politics they've been played out , how about Ronnie was being honest ? ;)
and the photos don't tell me something different and we're not talking about improbable things here Dorian being able to beat Ronnie is a reality he's done it before in fact 8 times before ;)
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and the photos don't tell me something different and we're not talking about improbable things here Dorian being able to beat Ronnie is a reality he's done it before in fact 8 times before ;)
Great logic, I guess Lee Haney & Momo Benaziza are better bodybuilders than Dorian even at his best because hey they placed ahead of him, so no matter how good he got well they will always be better bodybuilders than Dorian.
Hey hold the presses, Dorian finished 7th at the World Games so as soon as I can be bothered I'll find out the names of the contestants and give you a list of six other people who are all better bodybuilders than Dorian.......... no matter how good he became....... and blahbidy blah blah...... it's just a really weak defence made out desperation.
Dude it looks like you are on your last crutch. :)
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lol one good asset keep exposing your ignorance with each post ;) his good assets were great conditioning , size , balance and completeness , he dominated everyone for a reason and I'll clue you in on something ...it wasn't because of just his back ;)
Dorian looks UNBEATABLE in those 4 shots.
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Great logic, I guess Lee Haney & Momo Benaziza are better bodybuilders than Dorian even at his best because hey they placed ahead of him, so no matter how good he got well they will always be better bodybuilders than Dorian.
Hey hold the presses, Dorian finished 7th at the World Games so as soon as I can be bothered I'll find out the names of the contestants and give you a list of six other people who are all better bodybuilders than Dorian.......... no matter how good he became....... and blahbidy blah blah...... it's just a really weak defence made out desperation.
Dude it looks like you are on your last crutch. :)
No thats not while I said that you act like Dorian beating Ronnie is impossible and thats simply not true , just statistically he would win , Ronnie had all this better detail & separation when Yates beat him what was missing? more size ? big deal Dorian wrote the book on size , better conditioning Dorian wrote the book on that as well , what is this magic ingredient that now makes Ronnie unbeatable ? lol there is none
and Momo beat Dorian when Yates was 228 pounds he was lacking in size , and same with Haney who beat a much lighter Yates and Yates still won the muscularity round despite being 10 pounds lighter
and you're the guy who said without his back Yates would have never been Mr Olympia who is on their last crutch? ;)
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so do a lot of other bodybuilders...who would kick dorian's ass:
;D
those Yates pics are a guest posing, i hope you Ronnie nut huggers take that into account.
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No thats not while I said that you act like Dorian beating Ronnie is impossible and thats simply not true , just statistically he would win , Ronnie had all this better detail & separation when Yates beat him what was missing? more size ? big deal Dorian wrote the book on size , better conditioning Dorian wrote the book on that as well , what is this magic ingredient that now makes Ronnie unbeatable ? lol there is none
and Momo beat Dorian when Yates was 228 pounds he was lacking in size , and same with Haney who beat a much lighter Yates and Yates still won the muscularity round despite being 10 pounds lighter
and you're the guy who said without his back Yates would have never been Mr Olympia who is on their last crutch? ;)
Hey I've never acted like Dorian never earned a victory over a smaller Coleman once or twice during the early to mid 90's, You've probably confused me with Hulkster.
So Momo beat Dorian because Yates was 228 pounds and lacking in size, same with Haney so those victories don't mean that they were always better than Yates, hmmmm very interesting because hey it's not like Ronnie got any bigger after his losses to Dorian in fact just between you and me I think he actually got smaller. :)
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I don't care if it says it was his biggest no where does it say 2003 is Ronnie's best overall showing even the Joe Weider and the Team Flex quotes all mention different years they feel Ronnie is at his best and 2003 isn't it you're the idiot who constantly claims things to the contrary , in fact I don't thing I've seen single quote saying 2003 was his best overall showing , I've seen plenty from 2001/1998
it doesn't matter if you care or not. What matters is the quote was referring to 03. Spare me your lame excuse that it doesn't explicitly mention what year. The quote could've said "Ronnie weighed 287 lbs" and you still would argue it doesn't explicitly say 03. ::)
ha ha ha when in doubt try and play with words , get the fuck out of here with your garbage , I'll take your opinion seriously when you can find me multiple credible sources that claim 2003 was his best overall showing and I wont be waiting for them either
wow, just wow. The quote used the present tense and was featured in the 03 Mr. Olympia review issue. It's not my fault you don't understand how to read.
yeah present tense directly related to his previous showings where he lost or came very close to losing , which are examples of Ronnie NOT being at his ' best ' it has nothing to do with his overall showing in 1998 and 2001 once again another example of you taking liberties because you can't find any quotes to support your 'argument' because you can't anyone to validate your ' opinion ' outright and explicitly
if Ronnie wasn't at his best, then it wouldn't make sense for Steve Blechman to use the present tense when referring to Ronnie's physique.
Same shit with you all the time kid , you reaching as usual. Ronnie did set a new standard in 2003 for size with acceptable conditioning no one is arguing to the contrary , NO WHERE does it say 2003 is his best overall showing more of you and YOUR reading comprehension skills or lack thereof , see how its done above and again who the fuck is Ryan Mackie? his opinion is about as right as yours
nowhere does the quote specifically isolate size as the only standard that was set by Ronnie. In fact, it refers to Ronnie's overall package as evident by this line:
"furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further"
lmmfao like Hulkster I can always count on your for a laugh. who cares if he presented a physique that has never seen seen? that has NOTHING to do with if it was his personal best overall showing and NO MORON another example of the lack of your reading comprehension skills NO it most certainly doesn't mean EVERYONE is history you're such a fan-boy with these dumb statements ' could not possibly be equaled ' means BY THE FUCKING PEOPLE HE WAS COMPETING WITH AT THAT CONTEST you dummy , Ronnie 2001 or Dorian doesn't have to equaled that physique to beat that physique , its already established 2003 wasn't his best overall showing because his balance & proportion were off as well as his conditioning , he's already down in parts of the criteria and you think extra ' soft ' size can compensate for his lacking in other areas more fan-boy ignorant train of thought
again, it doesn't matter if you care or not. What matters is the meaning of the quote when we analyze its parts and look at its context. The line "'presented a physique that has never been seen" refers to Ronnie's combination of size, definition, and symmetry. Nowhere does it specifically isolate parts of the judging criteria, instead using "physique" to refer to his overall package. The line "Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled" means nobody in history or the foreseeable future can match let alone exceed him. Your interpretation is incorrect b/c it's redundant to say Ronnie destroyed his competition and his competition couldn't match him in the same sentence. Maybe that's how you talk but it's not proper English.
More examples of you taking liberties in quotes because you don't have anything to work with , pure speculation on your behalf and nothing more find me a quote from Ray saying 2003 is better than 2001/1998 specifically and then you'll be working with something but these attempts by you of trying to connect the dots are an exercise in failure as usual , see Ronnie calves are comparable to Jay in 03 therefore they'd be comparable to Dorians LMFAO your posts are always good for a laugh riddled with poor comprehension , assumptions , ignorance , quotes from ' fans ' lol
is it speculation on my part? Yes, but so is everything else you read and interpret. That's where reading comprehension comes in. So far your reading skills leave a lot to be desired. Don't just take my word for it. Other Getbig members have criticized you too.
Yeah you're right thats why Greg Kovacs was Mr Olympia and Rhul always placed at the top of the heap and Art Atwood crushed everyone LMMFAO you're to simple , no its true Jay wasn't the most conditioned as well as Ronnie and Haney however dummy what you still can't seem to grasp is ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS meaning its the guy who meets all of the criteria the best is the winner
if you have a problem, I suggest you take it up with Dorian. ;)
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]." (referring to the judges' propensity to reward mass)
Again size of ALL muscles not certain ones , a guy 260 pounds is carrying more muscular bulk than a guy 247 pounds , I hope this helps and we're referring to conditioned muscular bulk NOT soft muscular bulk and entertaining your stupidity carrying more muscular bulk at the expense of balance & proportion , density & dryness is an empty advantage and why? because All Rounds are Physique Rounds so your back to square one
ha ha ha, oh brother! Name one muscle group besides waist and calves that Dorian was bigger. Ronnie had larger biceps, triceps, delts, pecs, glutes, and quads.
stop playing with words it gets old already , you think you accomplish anything by trying to toy with words it just exposes your ignorance , you already proven you don't know the basics of competitive bodybuilding you know like balance & proportion , density & dryness , all rounds are physique rounds , judges heavily favor size over conditioning LMMFAO run along with your ignorance
don't get mad just b/c you cannot refute my point. If definition and conditioning are synonymous, then they should be interchangable which they are not. ;)
No you're not going by what is given , what was given is Dorian saying specific to the debate of Ronnie , he has better balance he's an IFBB judge and his word is Gold , its well established you're ignorant , so when Yates says he has better balance for all intents & purposes he has better balance , so either way YOU want to take the quote have at it , he still says he has better balance and his opinion will always crushes yours
sorry, but when a person contradicts him or herself, then their word no longer carries as much weight. Dorian explicitly defines balance and then contradicts himself by saying he has better balance than Ronnie.
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It's a pity Dorian was never able to bring that size and fullness to the stage and the only proof he ever looked that way are the same half dozen black and white photo's that his fans keep posting over and over. But as usual Ronnie was bigger with his usual separation and detail that Dorian never had and Ronnie unlike Dorian actually managed to bring that look to the stage........ repeatedly. Here's Dorians best ever side-chest compared to two shots of Ronnie from different years. Dorian is simply outclassed.
here are better side chest shots of Ronnie. :)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/99%20Mr%20Olympia/99MrO-Ronnie70.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie112.jpg)
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Hey I've never acted like Dorian never earned a victory over a smaller Coleman once or twice during the early to mid 90's, You've probably confused me with Hulkster.
So Momo beat Dorian because Yates was 228 pounds and lacking in size, same with Haney so those victories don't mean that they were always better than Yates, hmmmm very interesting because hey it's not like Ronnie got any bigger after his losses to Dorian in fact just between you and me I think he actually got smaller. :)
yeah he did get bigger at the expense of density & dryness ;) Dorian didn't thats the difference
Ronnie 1996/1997 was competing at 250-255 pounds although his conditioning wasn't that great , by 1998 he worked with Chad and he really leaned him out Ronnie was 247 pounds at the 1998 Mr Olympia and his conditioning at this OLYMPIA contest was his best ever , Ronnie said this himself and it echo's Peter McGoughs sentiments on the topic , the only other time he really matched his 1998 Olympia conditioning was at the 2001 Arnold Classic
so any heavier Coleman version came at the expense of his density & conditioning and his balance & proportion like his conditioning suffered as well , so any size advantage become redundant at the expense of other parts of the criteria so you're right back where you started before NO WHERE
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2003 vs 1995 lmfao
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2003 vs 1995 lmfao
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1993 (Dorian's prime) vs 2003
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1993 (Dorian's prime) vs 2003
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You just owned yourself by posting that comparison.
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You just owned yourself by posting that comparison.
lmmfao NO kidding what a tool
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You just owned yourself by posting that comparison.
sure, Ronnie destroys Dorian in muscular bulk and definition in that comparison yet I "owned" myself. ::)
Go back to sucking ND's dick.
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lmmfao NO kidding what a tool
posting a zoomed in shot of Dorian's abs compared to a shitty pic of Ronnie. Why am I not surprised?
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sure, Ronnie destroys Dorian in muscular bulk and definition in that comparison yet I "owned" myself. ::)
Go back to sucking ND's dick.
lmfao muscular bulk at the expense of density and dryness even his superior taper is gone in that shot now couple that with his blatantly obvious proportion problems and Dorian is clearly owning Ronnie like I clearly own you ;)
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posting a zoomed in shot of Dorian's abs compared to a shitty pic of Ronnie. Why am I not surprised?
If the pic of Ronnie is shitty, it is resultant of Dorian simply being superior once again.
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ND who would you rather look like
dorian or ronnie?
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posting a zoomed in shot of Dorian's abs compared to a shitty pic of Ronnie. Why am I not surprised?
Whats the difference? Dorian Dorian still owns Ronnie in the comparison you posted , keep crying its all you have left I wont take that from you too
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ND who would you rather look like
dorian or ronnie?
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Thats easy Dorian
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lmfao muscular bulk at the expense of density and dryness even his superior taper is gone in that shot now couple that with his blatantly obvious proportion problems and Dorian is clearly owning Ronnie like I clearly own you
what objective criteria are you using to determine density and dryness? If you're making up advantages based on what you think, then I could just as easily cancel them out by saying Ronnie is equally as hard and dry. There's no way you can disprove my comment without establishing some sort of criteria. As for Ronnie's proportion problems, who's to say Dorian's massive torso and narrow quads with calves too big is any better? We can, however, objectively determine that Ronnie is owning Dorian in muscular bulk and definition. ;)
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Thats easy Dorian
so that means you think the flaws of both dorian and ronnie are greater than the flaws of the Maryland Muscle Machine 8)
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what objective criteria are you using to determine density and dryness? If you're making up advantages based on what you think, then I could just as easily cancel them out by saying Ronnie is equally as hard and dry. There's no way you can disprove my comment without establishing some sort of criteria. As for Ronnie's disproportion problems, who's to say Dorian's massive torso and narrow quads with calves too big is any better? We can, however, objectively determine that Ronnie is owning Dorian in muscular bulk and definition. ;)
How do I know Dorian was harder & drier than Ronnie Coleman? Dorian said so and seeing I wasn't there I will have to take it on a matter of authority and seeing he's seen as a no nonsense type of guy a real straight shooter and coupled with the fact that he's and IFBB judge his word is GOLD you can deny it all you want I could care less its right in line with the rest of your statements nothing new , don't mistake me for trying to convince you nothing could be further from that , I'm correcting you ;)
Peter McGough also verifies Ronnie wasn't as hard or as dry as he was in 2001 which is universally viewed as his best showing for among that reason and I'll take his word on authority as well seeing I wasn't at said contests and videos and pictures don't mean DICK to actually being there live & in person
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so that means you think the flaws of both dorian and ronnie are greater than the flaws of the Maryland Muscle Machine 8)
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Don't presume to speak for me ;) NO it has nothing to do with flaws
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Don't presume to speak for me ;) NO it has nothing to do with flaws
ok than you think the strengths of Mr. Levrone are greater than dorian and ronnie's
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ok than you think the strengths of Mr. Levrone are greater than dorian and ronnie's
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NO I think he has a better looking physique from an aesthetics standpoint from both of them hence why I would rather look like him and why I would rather look like Steve Reeves than any of them ;)
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If the pic of Ronnie is shitty, it is resultant of Ronnie's physique being shitty.
not really. The pic of Ronnie is too small and shows his whole body, further hiding any details you might otherwise see. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. Moreover, that's an unflattering shot of Ronnie. Everybody is susceptible to having a bad pic taken of them. So I wouldn't use the argument that a shitty pic is the resultant of a shitty physique.
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How do I know Dorian was harder & drier than Ronnie Coleman? Dorian said so and seeing I wasn't there I will have to take it on a matter of authority and seeing he's seen as a no nonsense type of guy a real straight shooter and coupled with the fact that he's and IFBB judge his word is GOLD you can deny it all you want I could care less its right in line with the rest of your statements nothing new , don't mistake me for trying to convince you nothing could be further from that , I'm correcting you
again, what objective criteria are you using to determine density and dryness? And show me where Dorian explicitly said he had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.
Peter McGough also verifies Ronnie wasn't as hard or as dry as he was in 2001 which is universally viewed as his best showing for among that reason and I'll take his word on authority as well seeing I wasn't at said contests and videos and pictures don't mean DICK to actually being there live & in person
bwahahaha, the human eye is nowhere near as accurate as a machine for determining conditioning. Hydrostatic weighing has a margin of error of 1%. A caliper has a margin of error of 3-5% and doesn't even measure water levels. The human eye is even worse. Are you honestly telling me that Peter McGough has superhuman powers that enable him to determine a person's body fat and water levels more accurately than a machine?
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Yeah all that stuff you said but did you see Ronnie in 99 compared to Dorians best ever conditioning in 95 in Hulksters post?
Game over man, Ronnie doesn't just look bigger he's also got separation and shape that Dorian obviously can't match but I guess all the many photo's that show this are somehow irrelevant as evidence of Ronnies obvious physical superiority to Dorian.
Seriously compare the photo's they don't lie, embrace the truth and let it soothe your troubled soul. Because you are in classic denial. ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=269873)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=269874)
no shit.
ND is totally getting owned again and in total denail of the pics as usual.
Hey ND, tell us what it is like to be so thoroughly owned that you have to break out your 2003 ronnie silouette pics from like 2 years ago?
pathetic man.
you are on the defensive now more than ever. LOL
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here's a better abs-and-thigh comparison.
93 Dorian vs 03 Ronnie
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates24.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman55.jpg)
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2003 Ronnie is winning that one.
ND is currently frantically emailing muscletime BEGGING them not to put up any more 99 pics
he better be ready for a whole lot of defensive bullshitting in the next week or so. quotes, silouettes, photoelectric effects, its all going to be used in a desperate attempt to come up with excuses for the owning of dorian by ronnie 99.
I love it.
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lol one good asset keep exposing your ignorance with each post ;) his good assets were great conditioning , size , balance and completeness , he dominated everyone for a reason and I'll clue you in on something ...it wasn't because of just his back ;)
Yeah ive always thought Dorian yates presented the most Complete package in history in 1993 with the points ND has pointed out with the balance, condationing, and size with Samir a close second in his 83 shape, I feel Dorian reached his all time Best CONDIATIONING in 1995 even with his torn bicep those 2 pics of Dorian from the back posted by ND show a Physique 10yrs ahead of its time in terms of Condationing at 255-260lbs, i still havn,t seen anyone @ that sort of Body weight with that type of Balance and condiation with the possible exception of a 1998 or 2001 Ronnie Coleman but if Memory serves me right in both shows ronnie was in the 240lb-250lb range, if we are talking about who was the most massive Mr Olympia there no dispute the package Ronnie brought to the stage in 2003 @ 283-285lbs took the Standard to another Dimention just as Dorian had 10yrs earlier in 1993, however i still beleave Dorian had the Best Condationing ever for a MR Olympia champion to this day.
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big deal Dorian wrote the book on size , better conditioning Dorian wrote the book on that as well , what is this magic ingredient that now makes Ronnie unbeatable ? lol there is none
Must have been a pretty damn crappy book. Maybe it was ghost written for him. :)
so any heavier Coleman version came at the expense of his density & conditioning and his balance & proportion like his conditioning suffered as well , so any size advantage become redundant at the expense of other parts of the criteria so you're right back where you started before NO WHERE
So Ronnie had lousy balance & proportion when he got bigger but Dorian Didn't? Dude you are dead wrong. Dorians arms were fucked up, they were too small to begin with but after the bicep tear were about 18 inches (no joke) so for a guy who weighed as much as Dorian and also mainlined GH that's seriously sad. Here are some pics from the 94 Olympia. He is getting Levrowned pretty damn hard.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22687-3/1994-mr-olympia-10.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22460-3/1994-mr-olympia-67.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22356-4/1994-mr-olympia-78.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22202-3/1994-mr-olympia-130.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
Have you ever seen a reigning champ owned as hard as in this next pic? Arms, delts, pecs, legs Dorian is getting owned everywhere.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22194-4/1994-mr-olympia-128.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
Check out this next pic even little old Shawn Ray had bigger arms than the guy who wrote the book on mass.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22125-4/1994-mr-olympia-109.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
Did you look at all those pics? I told you, his arms are seriously 18 inches! Anyway it get's worse, now I know that might be hard to believe but his arms got even smaller and I'll post those pics in a minute so ND you might want to hide under your bed before it gets worse. :)
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Now I'm going to post some more pics of Dorian looking shitty and getting owned but I should warn you they have Nasser in them and yes he looks better than Dorian, the danger is that this might attract Sharma to this thread like a dung beetle to....... well you know but I haven't seen Sharma around the thread so since the coast looks clear here are some 96 contest pics of Dorian with arms seriously somewhere around 17 inches.
ND if you aren't already hiding under your parents bed then nows the time buddy. :)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/34431-4/1996-mr-olympia-44.jpg?)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/33827-4/1996-mr-olympia-45.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/34398-4/1996-mr-olympia-21.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/33815-4/1996-mr-olympia-40.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/33792-4/1996-mr-olympia-24.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
I told you 17 inches. You didn't believe me, but the guy who wrote the book on mass had some amazingly tiny, shitty arms even after taking lots of Test and GH..... Pathetic! Oh and if you want to see it get even worse I'll post pics from 97........ yes that's right, it gets even worse. :o
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Alright I haven't heard from ND so he may have killed himself out of despair and if he hasn't these pics of Dorian from 97 should do the trick and finish him off. Look at these shitty arms, I mean my god 16 inches! :)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15713-3/1997-mr-olympia-188.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15597-3/1997-mr-olympia-187.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/15103-3/1997-mr-olympia-132.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14944-4/1997-mr-olympia-102.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14932-3/1997-mr-olympia-99.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14928-4/1997-mr-olympia-98.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14510-3/1997-mr-olympia-35.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14608-3/1997-mr-olympia-71.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14462-4/1997-mr-olympia-48.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14280-3/1997-mr-olympia-20.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
Examine these pics closely his arms are literally somewhere around 16 inches, and they only look that big after he pumped them up backstage! So normally they'd look even smaller! Incredible he had to pump them full of blood for them to even look this bad, wow think about it! :o
Okay so lets recap you've just seen contest pics not the black and white offseason shots that his fans hang on to in their trembling fists but actual contest pics from 94, 96 and 97. So 3 different Olympias and it's painfully obvious that Dorian had the worst arms of any Mr Olympia ever! I think only a crazy person could think otherwise. And until I hear different I'm going to assume that ND is Dead. :)
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Alright I haven't heard from ND so he may have killed himself out of despair and if he hasn't these pics of Dorian from 97 should do the trick and finish him off. Look at these shitty arms, I mean my god 16 inches! :)
16 inches??? keep dreaming.
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16 inches??? keep dreaming.
Alright I'll go as high as 16.6 but you have to remember that since they're his weakest bodypart he would have pumped the shit out of them backstage so even full of blood they still only look that big! :o
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So Coleman didn't have very good balance & proportion so no matter how much bigger than Dorian he got it's redundant. But Dorian did have excellent balance and proportion? Wow I don't know what to say to that........ except to post more pictures that prove you to be dead wrong. I know how much you hate photos but don't worry they aren't evil and they don't steal your soul etc.
Wow you can't seem to pay attention to the ' debate ' it was Dorian AT HIS BEST had better balance & proportion while maintaining better density & dryness , AT HIS BEST so your multiple post meltdown was all for nothing ;) and better balance & proportion include , torso length , arm length in relation to the torso , leg length in relation to the torso , upper body & lower body balance , proportion of the calves in relation to the quads , proportion of the hamstrings in relation to the quads when viewed in profile , proportion of the forearms in relation to the biceps & triceps , proportion of the biceps & triceps in relation to the deltoids , and Dorian AT HIS BEST has better balance & proportion than Ronnie while maintaining better muscle density & dryness
I will put these pictures of Dorian AT IS BEST against ANYTHING Coleman has to offer and while Ronnie may meet parts of the criteria better than Dorian as a WHOLE how contests are judged ( all rounds are physique rounds ) Dorian meets that criteria better
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Not sure the Actual point your trying to make posting all those shots of Dorians torn bicep..yes his arms in quiet a few shots were a weakness, but the judges seemed to be taking into account his overall package which from 1992-1997 they deemed to be the best in the world at that time (the total package that is) which would stand to reason why Dorian was MR OLYMPIA and not Shawn, Paul, Kevin, Nasser...i don,t think theres any qestion Ronnie and Dozens of others had "better" arms than Dorian, however dueing his time as MR OLYMPIA Dorian was like it or not far and away the most complete, Domminent package over the likes of Ronnie, Kevin, Paul, Nasser, Flex, Shawn etc...i have dozens of bad Ronnie pics of his gut distended, calves looking bad etc...but id rather just see the great ones posted of a 8 time Champion than try to belittle him with bad pics..same thing with Dorian 6 time MR OLYMPIA champion the 2 of them in my book were Increadible!
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Alright I'll go as high as 16.6 but you have to remember that since they're his weakest bodypart he would have pumped the shit out of them backstage so even full of blood they still only look that big! :o
You're just being contrary now you're not interested in debating just trolling
same contest by the way do they look 16.6 inches now?
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1994 how does his 16" arms look now? ;)
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Wow you can't seem to pay attention to the ' debate ' it was Dorian AT HIS BEST had better balance & proportion while maintaining better density & dryness , AT HIS BEST so your multiple post meltdown was all for nothing ;) and better balance & proportion include , torso length , arm length in relation to the torso , leg length in relation to the torso , upper body & lower body balance , proportion of the calves in relation to the quads , proportion of the hamstrings in relation to the quads when viewed in profile , proportion of the forearms in relation to the biceps & triceps , proportion of the biceps & triceps in relation to the deltoids , and Dorian AT HIS BEST has better balance & proportion than Ronnie while maintaining better muscle density & dryness
I will put these pictures of Dorian AT IS BEST against ANYTHING Coleman has to offer and while Ronnie may meet parts of the criteria better than Dorian as a WHOLE how contests are judged ( all rounds are physique rounds ) Dorian meets that criteria better
You know the thing about those pics you posted is.... that.... he.... never.... looked.... like.... that.... on.... stage! :)
So by all means post the same 6 black and white off season pics over and over cause yes he looks good in them, pity he didn't look that good on stage. All of the many pics I posted and I posted a lot are of him onstage at the contest and he looks like shit, even after all the Testosterone and Growth Hormone he used that's how big his arms were......... sad very sad.
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LOL ND is being owned like a prison bitch that he is!
serious question for ND:
ND, you love to post how McGough claims that Ronnie was softer in 99 than in 98, even though the visuals show a totally different story.
now, you do realize that both Ronnie Coleman and professional contest reveiwer Johnny Fitness from Musclemag who was also there, have stated that Ronnie was as sharp or sharper than in 98.
what makes Peter's opinion true while Ronnie's and musclemag's false?
LOL
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You know the thing about those pics you posted is.... that.... he.... never.... looked.... like.... that.... on.... stage! :)
So by all means post the same 6 black and white off season pics over and over cause yes he looks good in them, pity he didn't look that good on stage. All of the the many pics I posted and I posted a lot are of him onstage at the contest and he looks like shit, even after all the Testosterone and Growth Hormone he used that's how big his arms were......... sad very sad.
It doesn't matter if he looked like that onstage , what matters is he does look like that and he choose NOT to bring that package onstage because he didn't want to take any chances
and lmfao at GH and test like all the other guys weren't using the same stuff as him lol and where did it get them? NO WHERE ;)
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here's a better abs-and-thigh comparison.
93 Dorian vs 03 Ronnie
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates24.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman55.jpg)
To me, those pics show how Dorian is clearly superior. His physique has far greater refinement and conditioning as opposed to Colemen, who by comparision looks several weeks out.
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LOL ND is being owned like a prison bitch that he is!
serious question for ND:
ND, you love to post how McGough claims that Ronnie was softer in 99 than in 98, even though the visuals show a totally different story.
now, you do realize that both Ronnie Coleman and professional contest reveiwer Johnny Fitness from Musclemag who was also there, have stated that Ronnie was as sharp or sharper than that year.
what makes Peter's opinion true while Ronnie's and musclemag's false?
LOL
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Dummy Ronnie said his best Olympia showing was 1998 specifically because of his conditioning was SPOT ON ;) Weider said 1998 was Ronnie , best as did Shawn Perine , as did McGough 2001/1998 specifically because he is better conditioned you can't find one single credible real bodybuilding writer who says 1999 was his best showing and never could
and you're the dummy getting owned the Muscletime pics look NOTHING like the photoshopped pics you've been posting lol
next ;)
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Dummy Ronnie said his best Olympia showing was 1998 specifically because of his conditioning was SPOT ON ;) Weider said 1998 was Ronnie , best as did Shawn Perine , as did McGough 2001/1998 specifically because he is better conditioned you can't find one single credible real bodybuilding writer who says 1999 was his best showing and never could
and you're the dummy getting owned the Muscletime pics look NOTHING like the photoshopped pics you've been posting lol
next ;)
so, you just ignore musclemags contest review AND what Ronnie said in his victory seminar in 99?
is that what you are doing?
its all documented on the web, in case you think these statements are made up.
tell us. ND.
we want to know.
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so, you just ignore musclemags contest review AND what Ronnie said in his victory seminar in 99?
is that what you are doing?
tell us. ND.
we want to know.
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LMFAO are you going to ignore what Ronnie said , Shawn Perine , Peter McGough , Joe Weider ? I don't trust ANYTHING you say I've already exposed you as a liar making up quotes from Shawn Ray , couple that with your photoshopped pics your word is worthless and its a done deal Ronnie himself said on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly what his best Olympia was and it wasn't 1999 ;)
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To me, those pics show how Dorian is clearly superior. His physique has far greater refinement and conditioning as opposed to Colemen, who by comparision looks several weeks out.
Exactly , which proves the point Dorian is harder & drier
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LMFAO are you going to ignore what Ronnie said , Shawn Perine , Peter McGough , Joe Weider ? I don't trust ANYTHING you say I've already exposed you as a liar making up quotes from Shawn Ray , couple that with your photoshopped pics your word is worthless and its a done deal Ronnie himself said on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly what his best Olympia was and it wasn't 1999 ;)
I will post the links later on and you can take your words and stick them up your delusional ass.
ps you don't get it:
you are zeroing in on one quote while ignoring all others that are just as valid.
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Exactly , which proves the point Dorian is harder & drier
than a 2003 Ronnie.
not a 99 Ronnie.
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I will post the links later on and you can take your words and stick them up your delusional ass.
ps you don't get it:
you are zeroing in on one quote while ignoring all others that are just as valid.
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LMFAO one quote dummy did you miss the several? of course not you're just in denial as usual
FACT no established credible writer views 1999 Olympia as his best overall showing FOR A REASON
FACT multiple credible sources including Ronnie himself say he was harder & drier in 1998
these are the facts you can't change the facts just deny them as usual ;)
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than a 2003 Ronnie.
not a 99 Ronnie.
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It doesn't matter what year it was and why? ;)
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian , so it doesn't matter what year it is ;)
Hulkster = owned as usual
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Density & Dryness unmatched
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LOL ND is not only breaking out the sillouettes, he is breaking out the blurry screenshots from yesteryear LOL
you know you are desperate when....
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LOL ND is not only breaking out the sillouettes, he is breaking out the blurry screenshots from yesteryear LOL
you know you are desperate when....
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Hey I could be breaking out photoshopped screencaps like you ;)
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It doesn't matter what year it was and why? ;)
Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian , so it doesn't matter what year it is ;)
Hulkster = owned as usual
So? Why does hard conditioning trump everything else? Dorian had good conditioning, great, he also had terrible arms I mean when little shawn Ray has bigger arms then you well you really shouldn't be weighing anymore than 200 pounds or it's a little embarrassing.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22125-4/1994-mr-olympia-109.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
Dorian was hard which you like a lot apparently more than just about any other quality, oh and by the way I don't mean that you like hard old Dorian in a gay way even though it sounds like I do.
So Dorian's value as a bodybuilder hinges on whether he either nails his dry conditioning perfectly or spills over and without that one quality that apparently trumps everything he'd suck and be lucky to place in the top ten?
Because apparently if Coleman is 10-20% less dry even with his superior size, definition and separation then he can't beat Dorian even if Dorian had kept competing and tore every muscle on his body and eventually had the arms of a little girl (in 1999 I'm guessing) that's what you are saying.
Well I disagree there's a reason why Haney was better than Rich Gaspari and always beat him even though Gaspari was a lot harder (which you like) because there are other factors involved. ;)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/13915-3/2001-arnold-classic-118.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
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he also had terrible arms I mean when little shawn Ray has bigger arms then you well you really shouldn't be weighing anymore than 200 pounds or it's a little embarrassing.
but dorian had better balance than Ronnie! LOL
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but dorian had better balance than Ronnie! LOL
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At his best absolutely :)
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So? Why does hard conditioning trump everything else? Dorian had good conditioning, great, he also had terrible arms I mean when little shawn Ray has bigger arms then you well you really shouldn't be weighing anymore than 200 pounds or it's a little embarrassing.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22125-4/1994-mr-olympia-109.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
Dorian was hard which you like a lot apparently more than just about any other quality, oh and by the way I don't mean that you like hard old Dorian in a gay way even though it sounds like I do.
So Dorian's value as a bodybuilder hinges on whether he either nails his dry conditioning perfectly or spills over and without that one quality that apparently trumps everything he'd suck and be lucky to place in the top ten?
Because apparently if Coleman is 10-20% less dry even with his superior size, definition and separation then he can't beat Dorian even if Dorian had kept competing and tore every muscle on his body and eventually had the arms of a little girl (in 1999 I'm guessing) that's what you are saying.
Well I disagree there's a reason why Haney was better than Rich Gaspari and always beat him even though Gaspari was a lot harder (which you like) because there are other factors involved. ;)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/13915-3/2001-arnold-classic-118.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
So? Why does hard conditioning trump everything else? Dorian had good conditioning, great, he also had terrible arms I mean when little shawn Ray has bigger arms then you well you really shouldn't be weighing anymore than 200 pounds or it's a little embarrassing.
he didn't have terrible arms thats your biased ignorant point of view his biceps weren't great old news his triceps and forearms were awesome , and Shawn Ray may have ' bigger ' biceps/triceps which only points out how out of proportion they are in relation to his torso , he has heavyweights arms and a lightweights torso , that speaks volumes about his problems and you still can't seem to follow the debate its Dorian AT HIS BEST and 1994 isn't his best ;)
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he didn't have terrible arms thats your biased ignorant point of view his biceps weren't great old news his triceps and forearms were awesome , and Shawn Ray may have ' bigger ' biceps/triceps which only points out how out of proportion they are in relation to his torso , he has heavyweights arms and a lightweights torso , that speaks volumes about his problems and you still can't seem to follow the debate its Dorian AT HIS BEST and 1994 isn't his best ;)
So now Shawn Ray wasn't as well balanced and proportioned as Dorian either? Good lord man when does it end? Have you created a special category of awesomeness in your mind that excludes everyone with big arms as being out of proportion? Talk about being biased in Dorians favour! ;)
Anyway what do you consider to be Dorians best? It can't be those six or so old black & white photos of Dorian then because he wasn't in contest shape, they were offseason photos so he wasn't fully dry or hard (which you like) and had very little separation.
And you can't be referring to his contest showings either because while he was dry and hard he wasn't as big as he was in those old black and white photos so which is it? Because it sounds like his best in your mind is a combination of the size he had in those old black and white photos combined with his contest conditioning but that combination never existed except in your mind so which is his best?
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It can't be those six or so old black & white photos of Dorian then because he wasn't in contest shape, they were offseason photos so he wasn't fully dry or hard (which you like) and had very little separation.
ND claims he was harder in those shots than Ronnie ever was.. ::)
he should just retire from getbig and save himself any more humilation this weekend..
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So now Shawn Ray wasn't as well balanced and proportioned as Dorian either? Good lord man when does it end? Have you created a special category of awesomeness in your mind that excludes everyone with big arms as being out of proportion? Talk about being biased in Dorians favour! ;)
Anyway what do you consider to be Dorians best? It can't be those six or so old black & white photos of Dorian then because he wasn't in contest shape, they were offseason photos so he wasn't fully dry or hard (which you like) and had very little separation.
And you can't be referring to his contest showings either because while he was dry and hard he wasn't as big as he was in those old black and white photos so which is it? Because it sounds like his best in your mind is a combination of the size he had in those old black and white photos combined with his contest conditioning but that combination never existed except in your mind so which is his best?
Kermit here is a big hypocrite because as far as he's concerned average biceps development is worse than zero calf development.
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Shawns arms werent bigger than dorians in 1994
In that shot Shawn is closer to the camera
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Wow must have been a pretty damn crappy book, maybe it was ghost written for him. ;)
So Coleman didn't have very good balance & proportion so no matter how much bigger than Dorian he got it's redundant. But Dorian did have excellent balance and proportion? Wow I don't know what to say to that........ except to post more pictures that prove you to be dead wrong. I know how much you hate photos but don't worry they aren't evil and they don't steal your soul etc.
First off Lets look at Dorians fucked up arms which were too small to begin with but after the bicep tear were about 18 inches (no joke) so for a guy who wrote the book on mass and mainlined GH that's seriously pathetic. So here are some pics from the 94 Olympia which was one of his 2 heaviest appearances.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22687-3/1994-mr-olympia-10.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22460-3/1994-mr-olympia-67.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22356-4/1994-mr-olympia-78.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22202-3/1994-mr-olympia-130.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
Have you ever seen a reigning champ owned as hard as in this next pic? Delts, arms, pecs and legs Dorian is getting owned hard everywhere.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22194-4/1994-mr-olympia-128.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
And check this one, even little old Shawn Ray has bigger arms than the guy who wrote the book on mass, seriously compare their arms.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22125-4/1994-mr-olympia-109.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=83e953f161a80516a296fb3adc33e8fb)
Did you look at all those pics? I told you, his arms are seriously 18 inches! Anyway it get's worse, now I know that might be hard to believe but his arms got even smaller and I'll post those pics in a minute so ND you might want to hide under your bed before it gets worse. :)
levrOWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o
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Wow you can't seem to pay attention to the ' debate ' it was Dorian AT HIS BEST had better balance & proportion while maintaining better density & dryness , AT HIS BEST so your multiple post meltdown was all for nothing ;) and better balance & proportion include , torso length , arm length in relation to the torso , leg length in relation to the torso , upper body & lower body balance , proportion of the calves in relation to the quads , proportion of the hamstrings in relation to the quads when viewed in profile , proportion of the forearms in relation to the biceps & triceps , proportion of the biceps & triceps in relation to the deltoids , and Dorian AT HIS BEST has better balance & proportion than Ronnie while maintaining better muscle density & dryness
I will put these pictures of Dorian AT IS BEST against ANYTHING Coleman has to offer and while Ronnie may meet parts of the criteria better than Dorian as a WHOLE how contests are judged ( all rounds are physique rounds ) Dorian meets that criteria better
funny how "dorian at his best" is not competition photos ::)
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So now Shawn Ray wasn't as well balanced and proportioned as Dorian either? Good lord man when does it end? Have you created a special category of awesomeness in your mind that excludes everyone with big arms as being out of proportion? Talk about being biased in Dorians favour! ;)
Anyway what do you consider to be Dorians best? It can't be those six or so old black & white photos of Dorian then because he wasn't in contest shape, they were offseason photos so he wasn't fully dry or hard (which you like) and had very little separation.
And you can't be referring to his contest showings either because while he was dry and hard he wasn't as big as he was in those old black and white photos so which is it? Because it sounds like his best in your mind is a combination of the size he had in those old black and white photos combined with his contest conditioning but that combination never existed except in your mind so which is his best?
So now Shawn Ray wasn't as well balanced and proportioned as Dorian either? Good lord man when does it end? Have you created a special category of awesomeness in your mind that excludes everyone with big arms as being out of proportion? Talk about being biased in Dorians favour! ;)
No Shawn wasn't not at Dorian's best not with his hevyweight's arms and his lightweight's torso , or his massive quads dominating his small high calves , ever see Shawn's latspreads? don't worry neither has anyone else ;) , height is also factored in judging as well like or not
Anyway what do you consider to be Dorians best? It can't be those six or so old black & white photos of Dorian then because he wasn't in contest shape, they were offseason photos so he wasn't fully dry or hard (which you like) and had very little separation.
And you can't be referring to his contest showings either because while he was dry and hard he wasn't as big as he was in those old black and white photos so which is it? Because it sounds like his best in your mind is a combination of the size he had in those old black and white photos combined with his contest conditioning but that combination never existed except in your mind so which is his best?
I'd say the black & white pics of Dorian are his best for a few reasons , one the size he simply looks better heavier and the more size he drops the smaller his arms get , same with his balance . it doesn't matter if he wasn't in contest shape because he could have won the Olympia as is just based on those photos , don't mistake someone else's offseason for a Yates offseason he could maintain his hardness which was unequaled up to 285 pounds , this coming from Kevin Horton
So while he wasn't Dorian contest ready he was still good enough to destroy anyone on the 1993 Olympia stage and anyone with a brain can see conditioning has gone down hill since he retired , he could step onstage today with that physique and beat Cutler without much effort
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hey ND
Could u explain why Shawn has a lightweight torso?
:)
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Shawn ray did not at his best (1994,96) have better balance or body structure that a 1992,93,95-96 Dorian, from the front shawn had a long torso witch gave him to the trained eye, a long upperbody and short stumpy looking legs... Nasser who was also a great bodybuilder between 1995-98 had a slimmeler look at alot heavier body weight which was alittle harder to pick, as great as both Shawn and Nasser were if you take an objective look @ the 3 of them just standing there relaxed from the front and back Dorian has better Balance (the whole body that is) and structure than both Shawn, Nasser, Paul, etc...
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LOL comparing these Ronnie 99 muscletime shots to shots of dorian is fucking hilarious:
dorian (shown here in 94 and in 93) gets fucking killed:
no wonder ND has to sharpen dorian pics to compare them to Ronnie.
he needs all the photoshopping he can get.. :-\
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(http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-americanhistory/Bigfoot.jpg)
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1132/1266380969_6ca1811e6f_o.jpg)
(http://spacejay.com/Evidence/Ufo-Fotos/ufo-128.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229060.0;attach=269974;image)
Yes all of these things have something in common they're famous photos of an unusual occurrence which existed in a brief microcosm of time and then were never seen again, they were also only viewed by a couple of people first hand at the time they were taken, and yes while there have been other occurrences that have been noted by crack pots and conspiracy theorists (who are also crackpots) who claim that these things were in fact seen again there has been no proof at least not any as famous as these photos.
So yes all these photos have become just about legendary the stuff of myth almost but are they proof? Do aliens exist? Is Bigfoot real? What about the Loch Ness Monster? And finally was there a period when Dorians arms actually looked decent when not squeezed against his side during a side triceps pose?
Well in the interest of time I'm only going to discuss the Dorian Yates images captured by one lucky individual on a cold foggy England morning in a dingy basement in 1993. In these images Dorian who was a bodybuilder has achieved a look that appears impressive with large full muscles that while having very little separation still appear well proportioned and to a degree aesthetic, to some would be believers these photos are not only proof that Dorian at one time had decent arms but also that he was in fact the best bodybuilder of all time........ at least at the time the photos were taken.
But others who have chosen not except them have pointed out the fact that he was never able to reproduce this look ever again, even a month or two later when he unveiled his physique for the world to see during the 1993 Mr Olympia competition, where Dorian who looked decent was drastically smaller than the fabled photos.
So what was the reason for the discrepancy? Did Dorian who was known for having a dry condition for contests over diet to the point of sacrificing a significant amount of muscle, and if so why did he not learn from this mistake and bring that shortly held size to the stage in future competitions?
What is the real reason that he never was able to produce a size even close to those photos in the next 4 years of his competitive days? And why did he in fact become even smaller and smaller with arms that most would agree did not belong on a Mr Olympia winner in the years ahead. Perhaps we will never know but one thing is for certain and that is the handful of photos captured on that fateful day will remain the source of much controversy and defensive whining from the fans of Dorian until the internet ceases to exist and damn dirty Apes rule the earth. The End.
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Dorian's Yates had good arms in the 1993 Olympia
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Dorian's Yates had good arms in the 1993 Olympia
Well in 1993 his arms did look their biggest and best but he still looked drastically different then the infamous old black and white photos. So he must have had one hell of a bad contest prep to lose that much muscle in the couple of months before the contest, anyway for Dorian his arms looked good but for everyone else well kinda average.
Still this is the best look he managed to bring to the stage and that is what should be compared with Ronnies best stage appearance. Not any offseason pics of either guy but their best ever Mr Olympia contest package.
93 Olympia pics:
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3768-13/1993-mr-olympia-7-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25234-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-5.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3842-10/1993-mr-olympia-27.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3846-13/1993-mr-olympia-28.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3838-10/1993-mr-olympia-26.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4087-10/1993-mr-olympia-91-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25192-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-22.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
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Well in 1993 his arms did look their biggest and best but he still looked drastically different then the infamous old black and white photos. So he must have had one hell of a bad contest prep to lose that much muscle in the couple of months before the contest, anyway for Dorian his arms looked good but for everyone else well kinda average.
Still this is the best look he managed to bring to the stage and that is what should be compared with Ronnies best stage appearance. Not any offseason pics of either guy but their best ever Mr Olympia contest package.
93 Olympia pics:
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3768-13/1993-mr-olympia-7-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25234-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-5.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3842-10/1993-mr-olympia-27.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3846-13/1993-mr-olympia-28.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3838-10/1993-mr-olympia-26.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4087-10/1993-mr-olympia-91-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25192-4/1993-mr-olympia-new-22.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
Maybe never the best shaped biceps on the planet but still big/good enough.
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Yates = fantastic
big pregnant gut thats pathetic
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big pregnant gut thats pathetic
The perfect emulation of a pregnant gut.
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The perfect emulation of a pregnant gut.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/Dorian-FatCow1a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/PregnantBelly.jpg)
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So much for Shawn Ray's "great" quads ::) Dorian's quads are twice the size and more defined in all regard. Simple and utter domination never seen before or after. Like a man versus 2 boys.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3842-10/1993-mr-olympia-27.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=4ee3b2cfd84262eb13b5d7ccf339db79)
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that peice Eurotrash is stronger, smarter, Better built, Wealthier, and more popular than you.
ps- plus he dominated your idol every time they competed.
Ha ha ha ha ha...but then, who isn't stronger, smarter, better built and welathier than Earl? Even Richard Simmons can count himself as being better than Earl, because at least he's out of the closet - self-loathing is really a bitch. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ha ha ha ha ha...but then, who isn't stronger, smarter, better built and welathier than Earl? Even Richard Simmons can count himself as being better than Earl, because at least he's out of the closet - self-loathing is really a bitch. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
wow it is becoming clearly obvious that you go to sleep thinking about how i make you cry on getbig ;D
and i've seen "royalty", i'm better than him in every way 8)
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