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Anyone try this? I put on some winter weight and need to cut a little. I just don’t have the discipline to count calories. So, I’m considering the carnivore diet. It seems simple enough. Thoughts?
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Eat a balanced diet and go to bed hungry. You'll lose weight without creating dietary imbalances or counting calories.
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Why not? It's a healthy diet, especially good for longevity
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I've been on it for 4 months, doing just steak and eggs, and raw milk, feel incredible, takes a few weeks to adjust, but it's definitely a great diet. Zero bloat, zero joint issues, mental clarity, great energy, great sleep, great recovery. I have to say Vince Gironda was way ahead of his time, he was doing this in the 60s. He recommended a carb refeed, but I don't. I highly recommend this diet, when you look into what plants do to us its disturbing. If I ever go back into eating carbs it will only be in the form of fruit and honey.
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Loved it but don't have the discipline to go 100% at the moment. All the stuff The keto kid said plus my turds were fenomenal and I barely needed to wipe.
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That doctor sounds very reasonable and knowledgeable but I couldn’t watch past 5 mins becuase that chick was too annoying.
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I've been on it for 4 months, doing just steak and eggs, and raw milk, feel incredible, takes a few weeks to adjust, but it's definitely a great diet. Zero bloat, zero joint issues, mental clarity, great energy, great sleep, great recovery. I have to say Vince Gironda was way ahead of his time, he was doing this in the 60s. He recommended a carb refeed, but I don't. I highly recommend this diet, when you look into what plants do to us its disturbing. If I ever go back into eating carbs it will only be in the form of fruit and honey.
Sounds great and thanks for the info!Do you experience the same gastrointestinal “success” as kreator?
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I did it for a while
meat eggs dairy
Problem is it fucks a bit with your social life
I now eat 3 ribeye steaks and 200gs rice a day Monday to Friday then eat socially at weekends
I maintain my weight on that
I havent bought a vegetable for over 2 years, fruit neither
And Op is right about plants harming us, go look up Oxalates.
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That doctor sounds very reasonable and knowledgeable but I couldn’t watch past 5 mins becuase that chick was too annoying.
LOL...she can be.
She has been eating strict carnivore for 12 years at her MD's recommendation, eating mostly beef, no organ meat, and drinking mostly water.
(https://www.carnivorecast.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Kelly%20Hogan%20Carnivore%20Zero%20Carb%20Life%20Weight%20Loss%20Fat%20keto.jpg?width=602&name=Kelly%20Hogan%20Carnivore%20Zero%20Carb%20Life%20Weight%20Loss%20Fat%20keto.jpg)
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I have been on a strict, very meat heavy ketogenic diet consistently for almost three years. About half that time I have been almost 100% carnivore.
I still drink an occasional cup of decaf coffee with heavy cream and sugar substitute, occasionally add very low carb condiments (ketchup, mayo, mustard, BBQ sauce, salsa, apple cider vinegar) to my food, and occasionally enjoy sugar free Jell-O with sugar free whipping cream, or keto treats made with almond or coconut flower and sugar substitutes.
My goal is to gradually give up the above and go 100% carnivore eventually.
I drink mostly water, distilled flat water and purified seltzer water. I don't drink alcohol.
I eat mostly ribeye steaks, ground beef, burger patties from the grocery store or fast food, bacon, pulled pork, pork rinds, beef brisket, air fried chicken thighs, chicken wings fried in beef tallow (Buffalo Wild Wings), whole eggs, very low carb cheese, butter, bacon grease, heavy whipping cream, shrimp, crab meat, and salmon.
There are plenty of other animal-based foods that I can eat, but the above are the ones that I really enjoy. My key to sustaining this way of eating is to never eat anything I don't enjoy, and to keep it simple, convenient, and delicious. I don't eat organ meats.
I don't count calories, don't calculate macros, don't measure ketones or glucose, don't care if my food is organic or grass-fed grass-finished. I just keep it as simple and as convenient as possible.
My favorite restaurants now are Burger King and any Brazilian steakhouse. I rarely eat out anymore.
Just in case, I have been taking Magnesium Glycinate and vitamins C, D, E (gamma), and an occasional LMNT electrolytes (Sodium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Malate) pocket in my water. I may not need these and probably will stop using them eventually.
I've effortlessly lost over 20 lbs, energy and mental clarity are through the roof, digestion and bowel movements are better than ever. I resolved allergies, skin tags (a symptom of insulin resistance) and other skin conditions, chronic joint and back pain, non-alcoholic fatty liver, high blood pressure, and acid reflux. My triglycerides dropped and continue to improve, while my HDL increased and continues to improve. I've never had the flu, never had COVID-19, and have only had one mild cold since starting this way of eating.
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I have been eating low carb for a year. I won't say it's keto as I don't know if I'm in ketosis or not but I doubt it.
The downside is you get tired of eating the same basic stuff.
Foods I eat:
Meat, fish
Eggs (about 7 eggs a day)
Cheese
Sour cream
Salad
Radishes
Celery
Coffee with Half 'n Half
Heavy cream
Nuts (mostly peanuts)
Olive oil
Butter
Mayonnaise
Stevia
Unsweetened cocoa powder
100% peanuts peanut butter
Green vegetables like broccoli
Ranch dressing
What I do not eat:
Starches
Flour products
Sugar
Typical day:
Meal 1 - 4 eggs and bacon or piece of meat
Meal 2 - Shake made of 3 raw eggs, 2 tbls olive oil, 4 tbls heavy cream, 1 tsp Stevia, 2 tbls unsweetend cocoa powder, 2 tbls peanut butter
Meal 3 - Meat and salad and/or green vegetable
Snack - 1/4 to 1/2 cup peanuts/nuts
3-4 mugs coffee with Half 'n Half
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Anyone try this? I put on some winter weight and need to cut a little. I just don’t have the discipline to count calories. So, I’m considering the carnivore diet. It seems simple enough. Thoughts?
Probably just eating less would work.
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There have been reports of Ancient Greek Athletes living entirely on diets of dried figs. The athletes started eating more meat and doing better. But the point is there have been Fad diets around for thousands of years. What works best is a diversified diet if you want to get lean eat less if you want to gain weight eat more but eat a little bit of everything.
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Eat a balanced diet and go to bed hungry. You'll lose weight without creating dietary imbalances or counting calories.
Exactly
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Sounds great and thanks for the info!Do you experience the same gastrointestinal “success” as kreator?
absolutely, i had acid reflux and in 2 weeks it was completely gone. Any little nagging injury also gone. The bodybuilding diet of this current time is absolutely horrible for various reasons, the guys in the 60s and 70s were doing it right, like I said Vince Gironda was a genius, he preached this all along. And 2 super foods are beef liver and raw milk, Vince preached liver tablets and lots of full fat dairy/heavy cream, these work wonders.
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Yeah Dr. Chaffee knows his shit, he's been carnivore 10 years, professional rugby player, maintains a great physique all on red meat.
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Any diet with portion control works. This ain't rocket science, lol
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absolutely, i had acid reflux and in 2 weeks it was completely gone. Any little nagging injury also gone. The bodybuilding diet of this current time is absolutely horrible for various reasons, the guys in the 60s and 70s were doing it right, like I said Vince Gironda was a genius, he preached this all along. And 2 super foods are beef liver and raw milk, Vince preached liver tablets and lots of full fat dairy/heavy cream, these work wonders.
The guys in the 60's and 70's all died of heart attacks or have had multiple life saving heart procedures as well..
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SALADino gonna SALADino
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Any diet with portion control works. This ain't rocket science, lol
nobody controls portions on this diet, you have to eat until satisfied, most people who follow this diet eat 1 large meal or 2 a day, like Dr. Shawn Baker or Dr. Anthony Chaffee, usually between 2-6 pounds of beef are what people typically eat, and Serge Nubret had it right, he ate 1 large meal of 6 pounds of meat, it was horse meat then he eventually transitioned to beef. This isn't about bodybuilding, people are healing themselves of crohns, ibs, Colitis, autoimmune diseases, arthritis, Gerd, it goes on and on.
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The guys in the 60's and 70's all died of heart attacks or have had multiple life saving heart procedures as well..
lol, they stopped eating this way once they stopped bodybuilding, and they're dying in their 20s now
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absolutely, i had acid reflux and in 2 weeks it was completely gone. Any little nagging injury also gone. The bodybuilding diet of this current time is absolutely horrible for various reasons, the guys in the 60s and 70s were doing it right, like I said Vince Gironda was a genius, he preached this all along. And 2 super foods are beef liver and raw milk, Vince preached liver tablets and lots of full fat dairy/heavy cream, these work wonders.
I swear by this stuff
You can find it wayyyyy cheaper than tablets
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I swear by this stuff
You can find it wayyyyy cheaper than tablets
get real liver if you can, do an ounce a day, it's like taking a super multi vitamin
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SALADino gonna SALADino
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Dr. Saladino is one smart guy, he was strict carnivore for a few years, he recently reintroduced raw dairy and fruit, so he refers to himself as meat based, he's shredded
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nobody controls portions on this diet, you have to eat until satisfied, most people who follow this diet eat 1 large meal or 2 a day, like Dr. Shawn Baker or Dr. Anthony Chaffee, usually between 2-6 pounds of beef are what people typically eat, and Serge Nubret had it right, he ate 1 large meal of 6 pounds of meat, it was horse meat then he eventually transitioned to beef. This isn't about bodybuilding, people are healing themselves of crohns, ibs, Colitis, autoimmune diseases, arthritis, Gerd, it goes on and on.
How much freaking meat can you eat? You get sick of the shit. Ergo- you limit your portions, lol And any body who eats 6 pounds of beef a day isn't long for this world. The uric acid load on your kidneys will do you in.
How do I know? I had kidney issues a few years back from being on keto for a year. When I finally got around to measuring my uric acid (via 24 hour urine collection done at a urologist), my uric acid levels were near supersaturation. I ended up with a stay in the hospital for a week.
Over eating is what makes us fat and gives us a litany of medical issues. Eat less, stay healthy. And any diet extreme in ANY nutrient group will cause issues.
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get real liver if you can, do an ounce a day, it's like taking a super multi vitamin
I have. I took the powder (the specific brand above) for years and then went to the real stuff
Never noticed a difference. Blood work came back the same
ifar more convenient for me to take the powder
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How much freaking meat can you eat? You get sick of the shit. Ergo- you limit your portions, lol And any body who eats 6 pounds of beef a day isn't long for this world. The uric acid load on your kidneys will do you in.
How do I know? I had kidney issues a few years back from being on keto for a year. When I finally got around to measuring my uric acid (via 24 hour urine collection done at a urologist), my uric acid levels were near supersaturation. I ended up with a stay in the hospital for a week.
Over eating is what makes us fat and gives us a litany of medical issues. Eat less, stay healthy. And any diet extreme in ANY nutrient group will cause issues.
I would never get sick of it, but am going to recalibrate.
I had a pretty big cholesterol spike, which I can't understand. I think it MIGHT be due to I haven't really consistently ran in the past year.....frustrating, as while my meat consumption was high, by processed food, seed oils, and sugar was very low.
Anyway, I'm going to mix less meat for a bit, more fish, and go back to eating oatmeal and stuff. The carnivore folks are convinced even carbs like this are poison.
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How much freaking meat can you eat? You get sick of the shit. Ergo- you limit your portions, lol And any body who eats 6 pounds of beef a day isn't long for this world. The uric acid load on your kidneys will do you in.
How do I know? I had kidney issues a few years back from being on keto for a year. When I finally got around to measuring my uric acid (via 24 hour urine collection done at a urologist), my uric acid levels were near supersaturation. I ended up with a stay in the hospital for a week.
Over eating is what makes us fat and gives us a litany of medical issues. Eat less, stay healthy. And any diet extreme in ANY nutrient group will cause issues.
Dr. Baker eats 4-6 pounds of beef a day, he's like 6'4 260, the problem you had was because of the veggies when you were on keto, people reverse gout, all kinds of ailments on this diet. If you only eat, meat, eggs, salt, water, you will see your health excel.
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I would never get sick of it, but am going to recalibrate.
I had a pretty big cholesterol spike, which I can't understand. I think it MIGHT be due to I haven't really consistently ran in the past year.....frustrating, as while my meat consumption was high, by processed food, seed oils, and sugar was very low.
Anyway, I'm going to mix less meat for a bit, more fish, and go back to eating oatmeal and stuff. The carnivore folks are convinced even carbs like this are poison.
your triglycerides are the marker not cholesterol, cholesterol to hdl ratio, if it's close to 1 you're extremely healthy.
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Dr. Baker eats 4-6 pounds of beef a day, he's like 6'4 260, the problem you had was because of the veggies when you were on keto, people reverse gout, all kinds of ailments on this diet. If you only eat, meat, eggs, salt, water, you will see your health excel.
I didn't do many vegetables on keto- hardly touched them, My diet was typically eggs/bacon/beef/fish/avocados/olives/some nuts, water and an occasional piece of fruit. I cut dairy out completely after the first two months because it made me feel bloated. I was religious about this and kept a food diary. Went from 220 to 175 in 1 year. Ripped but skinny. My health did not excel- it went to Hell, lol.
I switched to a diet that is about 50% carbs/20% protein/30% fat. 100 grams of protein a day max. Uric acid has literally disappeared. So have my triglycerides. Normal blood sugar. I am at 210 pounds now, 5'9" and am on the way to 200 for the summer which is where I will stay. On the high carb diet I am significantly stronger, carry a lot more muscle and fuller. On keto I started looking like a concentration camp prisoner.
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I didn't do many vegetables on keto- hardly touched them, My diet was typically eggs/bacon/beef/fish/avocados/olives/some nuts, water and an occasional piece of fruit. I cut dairy out completely after the first two months because it made me feel bloated. I was religious about this and kept a food diary. Went from 220 to 175 in 1 year. Ripped but skinny. My health did not excel- it went to Hell, lol.
I switched to a diet that is about 50% carbs/20% protein/30% fat. 100 grams of protein a day max. Uric acid has literally disappeared. So have my triglycerides. Normal blood sugar. I am at 210 pounds now, 5'9" and am on the way to 200 for the summer which is where I will stay. On the high carb diet I am significantly stronger, carry a lot more muscle and fuller. On keto I started looking like a concentration camp prisoner.
Nuts..specifically almonds are absolutely terrible for human consumption they contain phytates and cyanide, look into how terrible they are for humans.
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your triglycerides are the marker not cholesterol, cholesterol to hdl ratio, if it's close to 1 you're extremely healthy.
My HDL has always been low. Only thing I got to spike it over 50 was running. But, interestingly enough, that didn't drop this time. But Trig went up 50.
I think running should solve it, but I'm still going more towards hypertrophy's mix, albeit likely less carb.
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Nuts..specifically almonds are absolutely terrible for human consumption they contain phytates and cyanide, look into how terrible they are for humans.
Oh dear god, lol. Nuts are excellent sources of nutrition. we evolved as hunter gatherers. We have a finite capacity for phytic acid- it's practically in every plant known to man. And I'm not talking about eating apple seeds.
by the way, this is in grilled meats:
"According to the National Cancer Institute (http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet#q3), grilling meat to the point of charring causes the formation of heterocyclic amines (HCAs), polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), and Maillard reaction products such as acrylamide (AA) or advanced glycation end-products (AGEs). HCAs and AGEs are formed when the amino acids, sugars and creatine in meat react at high temperatures. PAHs are formed when meat fats burn. Maillard reaction products are those tasty brown “caramelized” substances produced by the reaction of sugars and amino acids when meats and other foods are cooked by grilling, baking, frying or toasting.
Good luck with your keto religion.
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Oh dear god, lol. Nuts are excellent sources of nutrition. we evolved as hunter gatherers. We have a finite capacity for phytic acid- it's practically in every plant known to man. And I'm not talking about eating apple seeds.
by the way, this is in grilled meats:
"According to the National Cancer Institute (http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet#q3), grilling meat to the point of charring causes the formation of heterocyclic amines (HCAs), polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), and Maillard reaction products such as acrylamide (AA) or advanced glycation end-products (AGEs). HCAs and AGEs are formed when the amino acids, sugars and creatine in meat react at high temperatures. PAHs are formed when meat fats burn. Maillard reaction products are those tasty brown “caramelized” substances produced by the reaction of sugars and amino acids when meats and other foods are cooked by grilling, baking, frying or toasting.
Good luck with your keto religion.
I recommend you cut out all nuts and seeds/seed oils from your diet my friend. You'll be better off, do some research.
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Dr. Baker eats 4-6 pounds of beef a day, he's like 6'4 260, the problem you had was because of the veggies when you were on keto, people reverse gout, all kinds of ailments on this diet. If you only eat, meat, eggs, salt, water, you will see your health excel.
And the money in your wallet disappear fast.
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Eat a balanced diet and go to bed hungry. You'll lose weight without creating dietary imbalances or counting calories.
A balanced diet is a balance of animal protein and animal fats, around 30% protein 60-70% fat very low carbs. That is balance and optimal for micronutrition. The mainstream idea of a "balanced" diet is nothing but a malnourishment diet that will lead to illness.
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And the money in your wallet disappear fast.
not really, I bought a fourth of a cow for $700, 200 pounds of grass fed beef, you don't need to eat ribeyes all day every day like Dr. Baker.
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Long term Carnivore is 100% sure fire way to a heart attack per many MD's.
Anyone else has something to sell you
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My HDL has always been low. Only thing I got to spike it over 50 was running. But, interestingly enough, that didn't drop this time. But Trig went up 50.
I think running should solve it, but I'm still going more towards hypertrophy's mix, albeit likely less carb.
Triglycerides should go down on a low carb diet. Carbs make it go up.
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Long term Carnivore is 100% sure fire way to a heart attack per many MD's.
Anyone else has something to sell you
most of the MDs are brainwashed
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Triglycerides should go down on a low carb diet. Carbs make it go up.
This is why I can't figure out the rise.
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Long term Carnivore is 100% sure fire way to a heart attack per many MD's.
Anyone else has something to sell you
I know people who have been on a meat based diet for over 10 years, some over 20 years. They are very healthy.
Dr. Eric Westman has 20 years of clinical research using a very meat heavy keto diet to reverse heart disease, type 2 diabetes, GERD, PCOS, hypertension, obesity, and many other health conditions for thousands of patients.
CVD = Cardiovascular Disease
"Numerous meta-analyses and systematic reviews of both the historical and current literature reveals that the diet-heart hypothesis was not, and still is not, supported by the evidence. There appears to be no consistent benefit to all-cause or CVD mortality from the reduction of dietary saturated fat. Further, saturated fat has been shown in some cases to have an inverse relationship with obesity-related type 2 diabetes. Rather than focus on a single nutrient, the overall diet quality and elimination of processed foods, including simple carbohydrates, would likely do more to improve CVD and overall health. It is in the best interest of the American public to clarify dietary guidelines to recognize that dietary saturated fat is not the villain we once thought it was."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30084105/
"High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28864332/
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This is why I can't figure out the rise.
I know only one person who has the same issue, but this person is old, has diabetes, some muscle disorder, and many other health issues. The doctors can't figure out this person's high Triglycerides on a keto diet either.
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Long term Carnivore is 100% sure fire way to a heart attack per many MD's.
Anyone else has something to sell you
lol, that shit is so outdated, look at the Inuit and other existing tribes, they're thriving on a carnivore diet, cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease, sugar does, infact sugar is the root to most health ailments.
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your triglycerides are the marker not cholesterol, cholesterol to hdl ratio, if it's close to 1 you're extremely healthy.
Yup.
Triglycerides/HDL ratio
"Low ratio values such as this one indicate good insulin sensitivity; which means that insulin is doing a great job helping to move glucose and amino acids from the blood into your cells. It also means that you have a relatively low risk of developing prediabetes, type 2 diabetes, and metabolic syndrome. Additionally, low ratios indicate that you have the relatively innocuous ‘large and fluffy’ LDL cholesterol type, which makes you less prone to coronary heart disease (CHD)."
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/11/28/cardiorespiratory-fitness-the-triglyceridehdl-ratio-and-coronary-heart-disease-mortality-risk-in-men
"Elevation in the ratio of TG to HDL-c was the single most powerful predictor of extensive coronary heart disease among all the lipid variables examined."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664115/
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I know only one person who has the same issue, but this person is old, has diabetes, some muscle disorder, and many other health issues. The doctors can't figure out this person's high Triglycerides on a keto diet either.
I wasn't keto, but hardly high carb, and my sources were good.
I have naturally high numbers genetically. Last check was three years ago, but my conditioning and running were much better. I'm thinking it's that.
Improve conditioning, swap out some of the red meat and elk for salmon and fish, and see what happens.
No overhauls, just tweaks.
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And the money in your wallet disappear fast.
Not necessarily. Many people already eat plenty of meat with their carbs, 3 or more meals a day. If they eliminate the carbs, they automatically start eating only once or twice per day. They'll stop spending money on alcohol, fresh vegetables and fruits, sweets, sugary drinks, medications, supplements, etc. They'll eat out less too.
That was the case for me and for many people I know. At worst I'm breaking even. I'm about to eat a pound of 100% beef Whopper patties, with grocery store bought bacon and smoke cheddar...dirty, lazy, affordable, and delicious. :P
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I wasn't keto, but hardly high carb, and my sources were good.
I have naturally high numbers genetically. Last check was three years ago, but my conditioning and running were much better. I'm thinking it's that.
Improve conditioning, swap out some of the red meat and elk for salmon and fish, and see what happens.
No overhauls, just tweaks.
And you are talking about Triglycerides, not LDL, correct?
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And you are talking about Triglycerides, not LDL, correct?
My LDL and Triglycerides went up. 62 points on the trig, 89 on the LDL.
I have tests going back to 2013. These are not quite as bad but 2016-2019 were excellent.
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My LDL and Triglycerides went up. 62 points on the trig, 89 on the LDL.
I have tests going back to 2013. These are not quite as bad but 2016-2019 were excellent.
hdl to triglycerides is the only concern, what's your hdl?
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hdl to triglycerides is the only concern, what's your hdl?
Only 50. That's always been that way. Genetic. Actually, it was 30 until i started running...that got it up to 50+
I'll never get 1-1 ratio.
And thank you KK and loco for answering....much appreciated.
FYI - have followed Dr. Baker a few years on Twitter.
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How much freaking meat can you eat? You get sick of the shit. Ergo- you limit your portions, lol And any body who eats 6 pounds of beef a day isn't long for this world. (http://The uric acid load on your kidneys will do you in.)
How do I know? I had kidney issues a few years back from being on keto for a year. When I finally got around to measuring my uric acid (via 24 hour urine collection done at a urologist), my uric acid levels were near supersaturation. I ended up with a stay in the hospital for a week.
Over eating is what makes us fat and gives us a litany of medical issues. Eat less, stay healthy. And any diet extreme in ANY nutrient group will cause issues.
I take potassium citrate, it neutralises the acidity to alkaline
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Long term Carnivore is 100% sure fire way to a heart attack per many MD's.
Anyone else has something to sell you
Probably the best way to die
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Only 50. That's always been that way. Genetic. Actually, it was 30 until i started running...that got it up to 50+
I'll never get 1-1 ratio.
And thank you KK and loco for answering....much appreciated.
FYI - have followed Dr. Baker a few years on Twitter.
you should go strict carnivore for 6 weeks, no cheating, just meat, eggs, salt, and water and get labs done.
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Til Marty C weighs in, this is all just speculation
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Tbh I do the anabolic diet, 5 days is ketogenic then 2 days I eat carbs, works pretty good for bodybuilding
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Til Marty C weighs in, this is all just speculation
Correct. Until. I hear about heme iron it's all bullshit.
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Tbh I do the anabolic diet, 5 days is ketogenic then 2 days I eat carbs, works pretty good for bodybuilding
you're better off doing Gironda steak and egg diet
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Isn't this was Vince Gironda's (in)famous "Meat and Eggs" diet was?
If memory serves me correctly, Gironda claimed he stayed on this diet for nine months straight and got shredded to the bone (at least by 50s/60s standards). This diet also involves eating pineapple and papaya to help digest the meat. Later you go off the meat and eggs to a day or two and eat salads to cleanse your system.
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Isn't this was Vince Gironda's (in)famous "Meat and Eggs" diet was?
If memory serves me correctly, Gironda claimed he stayed on this diet for nine months straight and got shredded to the bone (at least by 50s/60s standards). This diet also involves eating pineapple and papaya to help digest the meat. Later you go off the meat and eggs to a day or two and eat salads to cleanse your system.
no Gironda you just eat steak and eggs and every 3-4 days you have a carb refeed meal. Carnivore is just meat, eggs, salt.
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no Gironda you just eat steak and eggs and every 3-4 days you have a carb refeed meal. Carnivore is just meat, eggs, salt.
The carb re-feed is the salad day, isn't it? Again, I'm going off memory; I'd have to dredge up my old IronMan books/magazines to get the particulars. But, I think it's the Hawaiian Diet that you do the pineapple and papaya with the meat.
I do that now. Only I use papaya enzyme pills because I don't like regular papaya (even though my wife has a papaya tree in our backyard); we just gave a couple away a few hours ago.
How long are you supposed to eat this carnivore diet, with no carbs of any kind?
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you're better off doing Gironda steak and egg diet
That's a very similar diet, almost the same
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There are different versions of the carnivore diet, depending on goals, food tolerance and allergies, and preference.
One version is to eat only low carb animal-based foods: Meat, eggs, and very low carb dairy. Honey and milk are not part of this diet because they are too high in carbs.
Another version is eating only meat, no eggs or dairy. Eggs and casein protein in dairy are inflammatory to some people.
The Lion diet includes nothing but meat from ruminant animals (beef, lamb, goat, etc.), salt, and water. Some stick to only beef.
Some carnivores insist you must eat liver and other organ meats daily or weekly in order to avoid nutrient deficiencies, others say it's not necessary, yet others say it's dangerous to eat organ meats often and long term because of the high risk of toxicity from vitamin A and other fat soluble vitamins, copper, zinc, and other minerals.
The carnivores I know who have been doing this for 10-20 years don't eat organ meat and they are doing great. The carnivores I know of who push organ meats usually have been eating like this less than 5 years. Some of those are not even carnivores anymore because they "didn't feel their best", which makes me believe they were suffering from some type of toxicity from eating so much liver and other organs.
All of the above are considered carnivore diets, and they must be done strictly and consistently long term in order to allow the body to adapt, to see and enjoy the benefits. Eating like this only five days a week, or 2 weeks on 1 day off, is not going to allow anyone to enjoy the full benefits, especially for those wanting to address health issues with this diet.
What would possess someone to start eating like this and continue to eat like this for life? The majority, if not all, strict carnivores who have been doing this for 10-20 years started because of some health condition they wanted to address: depression, bipolar disorder or other mental condition, autoimmune disorders such as multiple sclerosis, dementia, PCOS, type 2 diabetes, etc. They were in a living hell and the carnivore diet makes them feel like they are now in heaven. They'd hate to go back to that living hell, so they stick to the carnivore diet strictly and consistently for life, and they love it.
Animal-based foods are the best sources of carnitine, alpha-lipoic acid, biotin, CoQ10, and other nutrients which are of critical importance for maintaining normal mitochondrial function. Development and progression of many autoimmune disorders, mental illness, neurological disorders, etc. are due to mitochondrial abnormalities. This is one of many ways that very meat heavy ketogenic diets and carnivore diets help people with these conditions.
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Eat all the meat you want is what most people been doing for years, it will become bland and boring to eat the same ol cooter
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Carnivore diet is about longevity, why live to be 80 when you can live to be 95?
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Carnivore diet is about longevity, why live to be 80 when you can live to be 95?
good point just eating more meat you live longer
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Carnivore diet is about longevity, why live to be 80 when you can live to be 95?
Why stop there?
Go for 150.
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The carb re-feed is the salad day, isn't it? Again, I'm going off memory; I'd have to dredge up my old IronMan books/magazines to get the particulars. But, I think it's the Hawaiian Diet that you do the pineapple and papaya with the meat.
I do that now. Only I use papaya enzyme pills because I don't like regular papaya (even though my wife has a papaya tree in our backyard); we just gave a couple away a few hours ago.
How long are you supposed to eat this carnivore diet, with no carbs of any kind?
Steak and Eggs diet, Vince recommends a carb meal like pasta every 3-4 days, he had many diets, the Hawaiian diet was one of them. Carnivore diet basically forever, it's the ancestral diet, it's what humans were meant to eat, the proper human diet.
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Eat all the meat you want is what most people been doing for years, it will become bland and boring to eat the same ol cooter
Marty, serious question how's your digestion? Have you read about plant antinutrients, oxalates, phytates? There's so many former vegan/vegetarians that come to the carnivore diet to heal various health ailments brought on by these plants.
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Only 50. That's always been that way. Genetic. Actually, it was 30 until i started running...that got it up to 50+
I'll never get 1-1 ratio.
And thank you KK and loco for answering....much appreciated.
FYI - have followed Dr. Baker a few years on Twitter.
Grape Ape, you are welcome!
When I first started a keto diet my Triglycerides dropped by 10 points. At my next check-up the following year they had shot up by 72 points.
I didn't understand what happened because I knew I had followed the keto diet strictly and consistently, and I knew my Triglycerides were supposed to decrease, not increase like they did.
So I did some research and found the website below, which turns out it's the best source of information regarding everything having to do with lipid testing for people on low carb diets.
For me, the problem turned out to be #1 below. I had fasted only 9 hours before my blood test. So the day after my yearly physical test results, I water fasted 12-14 hours and then paid out of pocket for a lipid test at an independent lab the next day. The results showed my Triglycerides were actually more than 72 points lower than the previews test results showed.
At my next physical, my Triglycerides had dropped by 25 points since I started the keto diet. My HDL had increased by 6 points.
Take a look and see if any of these could possibly apply to you.
Possible Reasons for High TG
Here is our general checklist of considerations:
1. Confirm you water-only fasted for 12-14 hours before your cholesterol test. (No food, no coffee, just water) The more outside that window you are, the more it can increase your TGs (especially if near a fatty meal).
2. You may have a coffee sensitivity. I know, I know, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. But we’ve found a surprisingly large number of low carbers who see their triglycerides stubbornly high from what appears to be coffee alone. Note this is just a fraction of the coffee drinkers as most of them appear to be doing fine. A great N=1 study was performed by Sean Brennan showing this possible sensitivity in action.
3. You may have “carb leaks”. Get serious about tracking your food. Be really, truly, absolutely sure you’ve accounted for all carbs in the diet. Common unaccounted-for leaks include sauces, spices, beverages, alcohol, and many things labeled “0g Carb” that actually aren’t (rounded down in some nutrition labels) such as some brands of Heavy Whipping Cream. Sometimes you want to use a glucometer to detect what is actually higher carb than you thought. Bottom line: many who have even moderate carbs while on a LCHF diet can see their TGs spike because it’s still too much of an energy surplus.
4. Cut out refined/liquid/concentrated forms of fat. Drop bulletproof coffee, oils, fat shakes, fat bombs, etc. Move toward as much fat from real food sources as possible.
While this is by no means a complete list, these four have been the most common associations we’ve seen to date.
https://cholesterolcode.com/high-tg/
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Hong Kong has the highest life expectancy in the world
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/HKG/hong-kong/life-expectancy
Hong Kong has one of the highest meat consumptions in the world
The HKU research shows that Hong Kong has one of the highest meat consumptions per capita in the world at 664g/day/capita (equivalent to two pieces of 10-oz steak). Pork and beef consumption are the highest, with average daily consumption four times higher than the UK.
https://www.hku.hk/press/news_detail_17940.html
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Marty, serious question how's your digestion? Have you read about plant antinutrients, oxalates, phytates? There's so many former vegan/vegetarians that come to the carnivore diet to heal various health ailments brought on by these plants.
collards get rid of mucus and back pain, bananas are a go 2 for energy, i have no need to read how its bad for me , anyone that relies on meat will eventually rely on cafiene thats exactly how i ate as a teen its very limiting unhealthy nothing to clear out morning mucus. Dont torcher yourself
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collards get rid of mucus and back pain, bananas are a go 2 for energy, i have no need to read how its bad for me , anyone that relies on meat will eventually rely on cafiene thats exactly how i ate as a teen its very limiting unhealthy nothing to clear out morning mucus. Dont torcher yourself
mucus comes from pasteurized milk/dairy, anyone that has mucus problems ditch the dairy and your sinuses will clear up. I quit caffeine all I eat is meat, eggs, and raw dairy. Marty as a kid did you have a lot of raw dairy? You're a big guy, I'm guessing you did.
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mucus comes from pasteurized milk/dairy, anyone that has mucus problems ditch the dairy and your sinuses will clear up. I quit caffeine all I eat is meat, eggs, and raw dairy. Marty as a kid did you have a lot of raw dairy? You're a big guy, I'm guessing you did.
i rarely have milk i love a hardboiled egg on beans n rice. I ate lots of cereal as a kid no raw milk. I drink alot of oj its essential for energy health and digestion
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Hong Kong has the highest life expectancy in the world
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/HKG/hong-kong/life-expectancy (https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/HKG/hong-kong/life-expectancy)
Hong Kong has one of the highest meat consumptions in the world
The HKU research shows that Hong Kong has one of the highest meat consumptions per capita in the world at 664g/day/capita (equivalent to two pieces of 10-oz steak). Pork and beef consumption are the highest, with average daily consumption four times higher than the UK.
https://www.hku.hk/press/news_detail_17940.html (https://www.hku.hk/press/news_detail_17940.html)
I call bullshit on your study. Ive been to Asia a ton on business. Meat consumption in China, Taiwan, Korea and Malaysia is well under half of anywhere else in the world. The average asian eats a shit ton of vegetables including rice. Nobody sits down and has a meal where the bulk of the food is meat.
You keto guys are worse than global warming fanatics lol
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Mike Mentzer ate a t-bone every night before bed. Didn’t pan out so well.
Best I ever saw my cholesterol was when I got off meat and focused on fish, eggs, chicken.
Plenty of people have had heart attacks with Keto, even Dan Duchaine himself mentioned his militant diet was not good on the lipids.
Moderation of everything. Best way to lose fat was mentioned earlier, eat healthy during the day and go to bed hungry. Bill Phillips would do that and throw in a few minutes of light cardio right before bed, that works crazy if you don’t get too low with your glucose levels.
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I call bullshit on your study. Ive been to Asia a ton on business. Meat consumption in China, Taiwan, Korea and Malaysia is well under half of anywhere else in the world. The average asian eats a shit ton of vegetables including rice. Nobody sits down and has a meal where the bulk of the food is meat.
You keto guys are worse than global warming fanatics lol
It's not my study. The burden of proof is on you, to show that it's all BS.
BTW, Hong Kong is nothing like China, Taiwan, Korea or Malaysia. Hong Kong is a completely different world than those other places.
"Hong Kong became a colony of the British Empire after Qing China ceded Hong Kong Island at the end of the First Opium War in 1842. The colony expanded to the Kowloon Peninsula in 1860 after the Second Opium War, and was further extended when Britain obtained a 99-year lease of the New Territories in 1898. The territory was returned to China in 1997."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong
The global warming fanatics are the ones telling you to avoid red meat, saturated fat, dietary cholesterol, sodium, and telling you to eat wheat, soy, corn, seed oils, and plant-based junk foods instead.
I don't really care what you eat. Why do you care what I eat? I'm here just sharing information and my experience with those interested.
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Mike Mentzer ate a t-bone every night before bed. Didn’t pan out so well.
Sure, it was the t-bone steak and not the steroids and meth.
Best I ever saw my cholesterol was when I got off meat and focused on fish, eggs, chicken.
Cholesterol is an outdated and poor indicator of heart disease risk. Triglycerides/HDL ratio is the single most powerful indicator:
"Low ratio values such as this one indicate good insulin sensitivity; which means that insulin is doing a great job helping to move glucose and amino acids from the blood into your cells. It also means that you have a relatively low risk of developing prediabetes, type 2 diabetes, and metabolic syndrome. Additionally, low ratios indicate that you have the relatively innocuous ‘large and fluffy’ LDL cholesterol type, which makes you less prone to coronary heart disease (CHD)."
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/11/28/cardiorespiratory-fitness-the-triglyceridehdl-ratio-and-coronary-heart-disease-mortality-risk-in-men
"Elevation in the ratio of TG to HDL-c was the single most powerful predictor of extensive coronary heart disease among all the lipid variables examined."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664115/
Plenty of people have had heart attacks with Keto, even Dan Duchaine himself mentioned his militant diet was not good on the lipids.
Name a few and post some receipts. Dr. Eric Westman at Duke University and many obesity doctors have treated thousands of patients using a keto diet for the past 20 years and these patients aren't dropping like flies.
https://medicine.duke.edu/faculty/eric-charles-westman-md
The keto diet is clinically used today, and has been clinically used since the early 1920s to control seizures in patients with epilepsy. Why would they do that if patients are dropping like flies?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8761750/
Best way to lose fat was mentioned earlier, eat healthy during the day and go to bed hungry.
A meta-analysis of 13 randomized controlled trials following overweight and obese participants for 1-2 years on either low-fat diets or very-low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets found that the ketogenic diet produced a small but significantly greater reduction in weight, triglycerides, and blood pressure, and a greater increase in HDL and LDL cholesterol compared with the low-fat diet at one year.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-weight/diet-reviews/ketogenic-diet/
The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol. Administering a ketogenic diet for a relatively longer period of time did not produce any significant side effects in the patients. Therefore, the present study confirms that it is safe to use a ketogenic diet for a longer period of time than previously demonstrated.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
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Mike Mentzer ate a t-bone every night before bed. Didn’t pan out so well.
Best I ever saw my cholesterol was when I got off meat and focused on fish, eggs, chicken.
Plenty of people have had heart attacks with Keto, even Dan Duchaine himself mentioned his militant diet was not good on the lipids.
Moderation of everything. Best way to lose fat was mentioned earlier, eat healthy during the day and go to bed hungry. Bill Phillips would do that and throw in a few minutes of light cardio right before bed, that works crazy if you don’t get too low with your glucose levels.
cholesterol is not a marker for heart disease, it's all about your triglycerides to hdl ratio, Dr. Paul Saladino had and ldl of 540 and got a cardiac calcium score of zero. You need cholesterol, it's an essential fat that our bodies need for various functions. When you combine high fat/cholesterol and sugar that equals problems. Do some research.
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cholesterol is not a marker for heart disease, it's all about your triglycerides to hdl ratio, Dr. Paul Saladino had and ldl of 540 and got a cardiac calcium score of zero. You need cholesterol, it's an essential fat that our bodies need for various functions. When you combine high fat/cholesterol and sugar that equals problems. Do some research.
Mark Sisson has some excellent stuff on this
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Grape Ape, you are welcome!
When I first started a keto diet my Triglycerides dropped by 10 points. At my next check-up the following year they had shot up by 72 points.
I didn't understand what happened because I knew I had followed the keto diet strictly and consistently, and I knew my Triglycerides were supposed to decrease, not increase like they did.
So I did some research and found the website below, which turns out it's the best source of information regarding everything having to do with lipid testing for people on low carb diets.
For me, the problem turned out to be #1 below. I had fasted only 9 hours before my blood test. So the day after my yearly physical test results, I water fasted 12-14 hours and then paid out of pocket for a lipid test at an independent lab the next day. The results showed my Triglycerides were actually more than 72 points lower than the previews test results showed.
At my next physical, my Triglycerides had dropped by 25 points since I started the keto diet. My HDL had increased by 6 points.
Take a look and see if any of these could possibly apply to you.
Possible Reasons for High TG
Here is our general checklist of considerations:
1. Confirm you water-only fasted for 12-14 hours before your cholesterol test. (No food, no coffee, just water) The more outside that window you are, the more it can increase your TGs (especially if near a fatty meal).
2. You may have a coffee sensitivity. I know, I know, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. But we’ve found a surprisingly large number of low carbers who see their triglycerides stubbornly high from what appears to be coffee alone. Note this is just a fraction of the coffee drinkers as most of them appear to be doing fine. A great N=1 study was performed by Sean Brennan showing this possible sensitivity in action.
3. You may have “carb leaks”. Get serious about tracking your food. Be really, truly, absolutely sure you’ve accounted for all carbs in the diet. Common unaccounted-for leaks include sauces, spices, beverages, alcohol, and many things labeled “0g Carb” that actually aren’t (rounded down in some nutrition labels) such as some brands of Heavy Whipping Cream. Sometimes you want to use a glucometer to detect what is actually higher carb than you thought. Bottom line: many who have even moderate carbs while on a LCHF diet can see their TGs spike because it’s still too much of an energy surplus.
4. Cut out refined/liquid/concentrated forms of fat. Drop bulletproof coffee, oils, fat shakes, fat bombs, etc. Move toward as much fat from real food sources as possible.
While this is by no means a complete list, these four have been the most common associations we’ve seen to date.
https://cholesterolcode.com/high-tg/
This is great info. I don't do fat bombs, but do about four cups of coffee daily.
I'm going to monitor this stuff now.
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Any of you guys watch Bart Kay's videos on YT? This guy is def a getbigger. An actual scientist that swears by the carnivore diet and likes to rip on other nutrition ''experts'' in the field like Layne Norton for example.
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Any of you guys watch Bart Kay's videos on YT? This guy is def a getbigger. An actual scientist that swears by the carnivore diet and likes to rip on other nutrition ''experts'' in the field like Layne Norton for example.
I can’t watch that guy for more than a minute. He’ll try to do a video critique and interrupts it every 3 seconds with insults and nothing of scientific evidence. Maybe he does later in the videos, but I can’t get past that. Dude is arrogant for how shitty he looks and is just trying to make a name for himself and get views by being a complete asshole. Oh, and Layne Norton is an asshole as well. Carnivore zealotry is really cringey
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Mike Mentzer ate a t-bone every night before bed. Didn’t pan out so well.
Best I ever saw my cholesterol was when I got off meat and focused on fish, eggs, chicken.
Plenty of people have had heart attacks with Keto, even Dan Duchaine himself mentioned his militant diet was not good on the lipids.
Moderation of everything. Best way to lose fat was mentioned earlier, eat healthy during the day and go to bed hungry. Bill Phillips would do that and throw in a few minutes of light cardio right before bed, that works crazy if you don’t get too low with your glucose levels.
along with a three grams of speed every morning
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Carnivore diet is about longevity, why live to be 80 when you can live to be 95?
and spend 15 of those in a care home being looked after by ungrateful immigrants
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Mike Mentzer ate a t-bone every night before bed. Didn’t pan out so well.
Best I ever saw my cholesterol was when I got off meat and focused on fish, eggs, chicken.
Plenty of people have had heart attacks with Keto, even Dan Duchaine himself mentioned his militant diet was not good on the lipids.
Moderation of everything. Best way to lose fat was mentioned earlier, eat healthy during the day and go to bed hungry. Bill Phillips would do that and throw in a few minutes of light cardio right before bed, that works crazy if you don’t get too low with your glucose levels.
He was also an alcoholic, addicted to pain pills, had a history of meth and steroid abuse, was insane and totally sedentary the last two decades of his life.
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nobody controls portions on this diet, you have to eat until satisfied, most people who follow this diet eat 1 large meal or 2 a day, like Dr. Shawn Baker or Dr. Anthony Chaffee, usually between 2-6 pounds of beef are what people typically eat, and Serge Nubret had it right, he ate 1 large meal of 6 pounds of meat, it was horse meat then he eventually transitioned to beef. This isn't about bodybuilding, people are healing themselves of crohns, ibs, Colitis, autoimmune diseases, arthritis, Gerd, it goes on and on.
2-6lbs of meat a day wtf sounds like a good way to die
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You guys are all crazy yes I eat a high meat high protein diet but I also eat everything. Eat what your body tells you it wants to eat when it wants to eat it. If you have been training for 20 years you should be able to listen to your body and tell if it wants carbs fats fluids protein or sugars listen to your body stop trying to plan out what it is going to need and listen to it. Everyone should be eating what they like to eat what taste good what their body digest not what someone planned out with multiple regression analysis. After that it is simply a matter of not stuffing your face if you want to lean out and stuffing your face if you want to bulk up that is it. But these fad diets are all bullshit a diverse well balanced diet is always going to be best and yes your fuckign body knows what it needs if it is craving salt and sugar have a fucking potato chip and a coke. Recently I have been eating 2-3 salads a day my body just fiends it the more you train the more quality nutrients your body will want
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He was also an alcoholic, addicted to pain pills, had a history of meth and steroid abuse, was insane and totally sedentary the last two decades of his life.
Also loved cock in his later years
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Carnivore zealotry is really cringey
Agreed. I share what I know and what I have experienced, but I don't care what others eat. I eat what I enjoy and what works best for me.
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along with a three grams of speed every morning
Meant Mike Matarazzo.
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Sure, it was the t-bone steak and not the steroids and meth.
Cholesterol is an outdated and poor indicator of heart disease risk. Triglycerides/HDL ratio is the single most powerful indicator:
"Low ratio values such as this one indicate good insulin sensitivity; which means that insulin is doing a great job helping to move glucose and amino acids from the blood into your cells. It also means that you have a relatively low risk of developing prediabetes, type 2 diabetes, and metabolic syndrome. Additionally, low ratios indicate that you have the relatively innocuous ‘large and fluffy’ LDL cholesterol type, which makes you less prone to coronary heart disease (CHD)."
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/11/28/cardiorespiratory-fitness-the-triglyceridehdl-ratio-and-coronary-heart-disease-mortality-risk-in-men
"Elevation in the ratio of TG to HDL-c was the single most powerful predictor of extensive coronary heart disease among all the lipid variables examined."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664115/
Name a few and post some receipts. Dr. Eric Westman at Duke University and many obesity doctors have treated thousands of patients using a keto diet for the past 20 years and these patients aren't dropping like flies.
https://medicine.duke.edu/faculty/eric-charles-westman-md
The keto diet is clinically used today, and has been clinically used since the early 1920s to control seizures in patients with epilepsy. Why would they do that if patients are dropping like flies?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8761750/
A meta-analysis of 13 randomized controlled trials following overweight and obese participants for 1-2 years on either low-fat diets or very-low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets found that the ketogenic diet produced a small but significantly greater reduction in weight, triglycerides, and blood pressure, and a greater increase in HDL and LDL cholesterol compared with the low-fat diet at one year.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-weight/diet-reviews/ketogenic-diet/
The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol. Administering a ketogenic diet for a relatively longer period of time did not produce any significant side effects in the patients. Therefore, the present study confirms that it is safe to use a ketogenic diet for a longer period of time than previously demonstrated.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/
Studies are useless. You don’t think I can Google to look for a study that says just the opposite of your studies? How do you think researchers get paid.
Any fat person can lose weight on keto, that’s not a debate. It’s the increase in cholesterol and yeah triglycerides that is the negative side effect. Cardiologist don’t like the diet as it has repercussions. There is no way any predisposed to lipid issues can go on a meat only type diet and not have issues, anyone on a meat only diet and taking steroids is asking for trouble.
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Studies are useless. You don’t think I can Google to look for a study that says just the opposite of your studies? How do you think researchers get paid.
Go on. Take each of the studies I posted and find one for each that says the opposite.
Any fat person can lose weight on keto, that’s not a debate. It’s the increase in cholesterol and yeah triglycerides that is the negative side effect. Cardiologist don’t like the diet as it has repercussions. There is no way any predisposed to lipid issues can go on a meat only type diet and not have issues,
The keto diet actually reduces triglycerides. Cholesterol is not a marker for heart disease risk.
Anybody, fat or fit, can lose weight on a keto diet.
Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. Cardiologists and heart surgeons have been sending patients to Dr. Eric Westman at Duke University for over 20 years so they can lose weight on a keto diet before heart surgery. Some of them end up not needing the heart surgery after losing weight and getting healthier on a keto diet.
anyone on a meat only diet and taking steroids is asking for trouble.
Fixed.
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Again you are all insane stop these fad diets and eat a variety of food enjoy a fucking cookie. If you are working out and fat you are doing something wrong if you are active you don't need to obsess over your diet to be healthy and lean.
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Again you are all insane stop these fad diets and eat a variety of food enjoy a fucking cookie. If you are working out and fat you are doing something wrong if you are active you don't need to obsess over your diet to be healthy and lean.
This. Moderation is key.
Keto increases LDL, linked to heart disease. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29737587/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29737587/)
Great for burning fat, not great for long term.
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This. Moderation is key.
Keto increases LDL, linked to heart disease. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29737587/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29737587/)
Great for burning fat, not great for long term.
Good job! You found 1 study that found LDL increased in patients with Type 1 Diabetes.
Still waiting for you to take each of the studies I've posted and find one for each that says the opposite, as you claimed. Take your time.
BTW, LDL can increase for many people while they lose weight on any diet, even a low fat vegetarian diet. That's why some doctors discourage measuring cholesterol while the patient is losing weight.
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Good job! You found 1 study that found LDL increased in patients with Type 1 Diabetes.
Still waiting for you to take each of the studies I've posted and find one for each that says the opposite, as you claimed. Take your time.
BTW, LDL can increase for many people while they lose weight on any diet, even a low fat vegetarian diet. That's why some doctors discourage measuring cholesterol while the patient is losing weight.
Not here to post studies cause you’re a fanboy of a fad diet. You have likely never competed in any bodybuilding show so get stuck on fad diets.
Several bodybuilders have had to stop keto diets because of bad blood work, myself included. Eating meat in moderation has helped my LDL to go down.
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Again you are all insane stop these fad diets and eat a variety of food enjoy a fucking cookie. If you are working out and fat you are doing something wrong if you are active you don't need to obsess over your diet to be healthy and lean.
It's our ancestral appropriate diet, it's what humans were literally designed to eat and thrive on, meat, organs, raw milk and at times depending on climate fruit/honey.
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I'm about to eat a pound of 100% beef Whopper patties, with grocery bought bacon and smoke cheddar...dirty, lazy, affordable, and delicious. :P
See, most people i see eating keto eat stuff like this alot .. i think any health benefits go out the window if you're not eating wholesome sources of fat. no offense--i love whoppers myself ;D
even if it was the secret to living until 100, eating new foods and sharing delicious meals with others is one of life's great joys .. whats the point of living forever if you cant enjoy it. if i had a chronic condition it might be different but i dont think the marginal benefit outweighs the great cost
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Not here to post studies cause you’re a fanboy of a fad diet. You have likely never competed in any bodybuilding show so get stuck on fad diets.
Several bodybuilders have had to stop keto diets because of bad blood work, myself included. Eating meat in moderation has helped my LDL to go down.
ldl means nothing, it's your triglycerides to hdl ratio, if those are close to 1 you are healthy. Cholesterol means nothing, you want to know what's happening to your heart get a cardiac ct scan or check your calcium score. Keto means nothing, there's so many variations of keto, tons of veggies/nuts, inferior Mears chicken/turkey. Eat steak and eggs, salt only for 6 weeks, you're life will change and feel like you've never felt before
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It's our ancestral appropriate diet, it's what humans were literally designed to eat and thrive on, meat, organs, raw milk and at times depending on climate fruit/honey.
humans have survived and thrived on all sorts of diets throughout the entire world, we were "designed" to be capable of adaptation
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humans have survived and thrived on all sorts of diets throughout the entire world, we were "designed" to be capable of adaptation
there's still existing tribes like the Hazda in Tanzania, who are strong, fit, lean people well into their 70s hunting for prey, they have no autoimmune disease, coronary heart disease, diabetes, and other various health ailments due to modern diet, they eat meat, organs, fruit, honey. I mean it's common sense.
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there's still existing tribes like the Hazda in Tanzania, who are strong, fit, lean people well into their 70s hunting for prey, they have no autoimmune disease, coronary heart disease, diabetes, and other various health ailments due to modern diet, they eat meat, organs, fruit, honey. I mean it's common sense.
if you're claiming that hunter gatherer lifestyle is generally healthier than modern western agrarian, id agree. but this tribe doesnt seem to be following "The Carnivore Diet" so Im not sure why you bring them up?
Hadza men usually forage individually, and during the course of the day usually feed themselves while foraging, and also bring home some honey, fruit, or wild game when available. Women forage in larger parties, and usually bring home berries, baobab fruit,[38] and tubers, depending on availability. Men and women also forage cooperatively for honey and fruit, and at least one adult male will usually accompany a group of foraging women. During the wet season, the diet is composed mostly of honey, some fruit, tubers, and occasional meat. The contribution of meat to the diet increases in the dry season, when game become concentrated around sources of water.[39]
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Good job! You found 1 study that found LDL increased in patients with Type 1 Diabetes.
Still waiting for you to take each of the studies I've posted and find one for each that says the opposite, as you claimed. Take your time.
BTW, LDL can increase for many people while they lose weight on any diet, even a low fat vegetarian diet. That's why some doctors discourage measuring cholesterol while the patient is losing weight.
100% guaranteed you won't watch the whole 2 parts but there are literally hundreds of studies linked to in this video of part I and part II that prove Saturated Fats cause heart disease
They are all RCT's and meta analysis
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if you're claiming that hunter gatherer lifestyle is generally healthier than modern western agrarian, id agree. but this tribe doesnt seem to be following "The Carnivore Diet" so Im not sure why you bring them up?
if meat is available it's the preferred choice of food. They don't always have successful hunting missions, so they have "survival foods" fruit and honey. Their diet is meat based. All humans would be better off consuming a diet heavily meat focused, specifically coming from ruminat animals, definitely ditching all vegetables, nuts, seeds, and grains.
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You guys are all crazy yes I eat a high meat high protein diet but I also eat everything. Eat what your body tells you it wants to eat when it wants to eat it. If you have been training for 20 years you should be able to listen to your body and tell if it wants carbs fats fluids protein or sugars listen to your body stop trying to plan out what it is going to need and listen to it. Everyone should be eating what they like to eat what taste good what their body digest not what someone planned out with multiple regression analysis. After that it is simply a matter of not stuffing your face if you want to lean out and stuffing your face if you want to bulk up that is it. But these fad diets are all bullshit a diverse well balanced diet is always going to be best and yes your fuckign body knows what it needs if it is craving salt and sugar have a fucking potato chip and a coke. Recently I have been eating 2-3 salads a day my body just fiends it the more you train the more quality nutrients your body will want
Listen dickhead, if you ate as much as you claimed you would be 600lbs of fat
Weight training burns hardly any calories and you do very little cardio apart from a walk on the beach and the occasional ski trip.
Stop this stupid fucking pretence
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if meat is available it's the preferred choice of food. They don't always have successful hunting missions, so they have "survival foods" fruit and honey. Their diet is meat based. All humans would be better off consuming a diet heavily meat focused, specifically coming from ruminat animals, definitely ditching all vegetables, nuts, seeds, and grains.
So fruit is ok on the carnivore diet?
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So fruit is ok on the carnivore diet?
if you do meat based, like Dr. Paul Saladino recommends, which is what Joe Rogan does, in my opinion if you are adding fruit keep the red meat to very lean cuts, like sirloin, London broil, top round, bison, elk, beef liver(in moderation) combination of high sugar diet with high fat=problems. Pure carnivore is meat, eggs, organs, raw dairy fish, salt. I do no fruit or honey.
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Listen dickhead, if you ate as much as you claimed you would be 600lbs of fat
Weight training burns hardly any calories and you do very little cardio apart from a walk on the beach and the occasional ski trip.
Stop this stupid fucking pretence
Why would I lie about what I eat? I have shown pictures of my fridge do you think it's a decoy fridge and I keep the carrot and rice cake rations in the real fridge? It is not about burning calories lifting weights but adding enough lean tissue that your resting metabolism is higher than any excess food intake. Weight lifting changes your metabolism.
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Why would I lie about what I eat? It is not about burning calories lifting weights but adding enough lean tissue that your resting metabolism is higher than any excess food intake. Weight lifting changes your metabolism.
If you are eating as much as you claim and its clear you have regressed physically since you came here physique wise then the only other realistic alternative is that you would be fat.
Either that or you have cancer of some kind
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If you are eating as much as you claim and its clear you have regressed physically since you came here physique wise then the only other realistic alternative is that you would be fat.
Either that or you have cancer of some kind
I havent regressed I have been working on my legs instead of my upper body. I will be the best I have been yet this summer by the pool
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I can’t watch that guy for more than a minute. He’ll try to do a video critique and interrupts it every 3 seconds with insults and nothing of scientific evidence. Maybe he does later in the videos, but I can’t get past that. Dude is arrogant for how shitty he looks and is just trying to make a name for himself and get views by being a complete asshole. Oh, and Layne Norton is an asshole as well. Carnivore zealotry is really cringey
Dude has 2 different approaches. In one he swears like hell and is not scientific. His other videos are science based. Great explenations on everything. He said it himself that he uses swearing to lure in more viewers. Just for the show
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good point just eating more meat you live longer
Exactly, what's bad for our health is carbs, but regardless we all die one day
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Why stop there?
Go for 150.
From what I heard, the anti aging technology that's coming out soon will make it easy for a human to live to be 200 yrs, and reaching the age of 100 looking 35 (but the elite don't want us to live so long)
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Not here to post studies cause you’re a fanboy of a fad diet. You have likely never competed in any bodybuilding show so get stuck on fad diets.
Several bodybuilders have had to stop keto diets because of bad blood work, myself included. Eating meat in moderation has helped my LDL to go down.
In other words, you can't substantiate your false claims about the keto diet.
I don't really care what you eat, but you seem to care too much about what I eat. So you are more of a fanboy than anyone here. And you are wrong about me having never competed in any bodybuilding show.
Still waiting for you to name all those people you claimed have had heart attacks because of the keto diet.
What exactly do you mean by "bad" blood work, and why are you so sure it was the keto diet and not anything else you and your buddies were on?
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See, most people i see eating keto eat stuff like this alot .. i think any health benefits go out the window if you're not eating wholesome sources of fat. no offense--i love whoppers myself ;D
Why? What's healthier than 100% beef? What do you consider "wholesome sources of fat"?
even if it was the secret to living until 100, eating new foods and sharing delicious meals with others is one of life's great joys .. whats the point of living forever if you cant enjoy it. if i had a chronic condition it might be different but i dont think the marginal benefit outweighs the great cost
I'm enjoying my life very much now because of my much improved health, thanks to this meat-based keto diet. I enjoy my food very much, and I do get to try new animal-based foods and new recipes often. I enjoy eating with others. They eat what they want, and I eat what I want.
If what you are eating is damaging your health, but you'd rather continue eating it anyway because it's what brings joy to your life, then you might have a very unhealthy relationship with food.
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i think any health benefits go out the window if you're not eating wholesome sources of fat.
humans have survived and thrived on all sorts of diets throughout the entire world, we were "designed" to be capable of adaptation
You contradict yourself.
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100% guaranteed you won't watch the whole 2 parts but there are literally hundreds of studies linked to in this video of part I and part II that prove Saturated Fats cause heart disease
They are all RCT's and meta analysis
"Literally" hundreds? There goes all of your credibility.
1. There are only four studies on saturated fat linked to part I, four, not literally hundreds. And there are none linked to part II, zero.
2. None of those four even claim to "prove that saturated fats cause heart disease" as you claimed, and none of them were done in the context of a keto diet. What they claim is that replacing saturated fats with vegetable oils may be more heart healthy. That might indeed be "better" in people who consume saturated fats along with a high carbohydrate intake (excessive carbs are the problem), but it's definitely not true for people on a very low carb, ketogenic diet.
More recent studies show saturated fats are not only harmless, but beneficial too.
CVD = Cardiovascular Disease
"Numerous meta-analyses and systematic reviews of both the historical and current literature reveals that the diet-heart hypothesis was not, and still is not, supported by the evidence. There appears to be no consistent benefit to all-cause or CVD mortality from the reduction of dietary saturated fat. Further, saturated fat has been shown in some cases to have an inverse relationship with obesity-related type 2 diabetes. Rather than focus on a single nutrient, the overall diet quality and elimination of processed foods, including simple carbohydrates, would likely do more to improve CVD and overall health. It is in the best interest of the American public to clarify dietary guidelines to recognize that dietary saturated fat is not the villain we once thought it was."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30084105/
"High carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality. Total fat and types of fat were not associated with cardiovascular disease, myocardial infarction, or cardiovascular disease mortality, whereas saturated fat had an inverse association with stroke. Global dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28864332/
"Canada’s Heart and Stroke Foundation recently removed any specific limitation on saturated fat, stating instead that their dietary guidelines do 'not include a threshold or limit for saturated fat and instead focus on a healthy balanced dietary pattern'"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5577766/
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I havent regressed I have been working on my legs instead of my upper body. I will be the best I have been yet this summer by the pool
What with a fucking skipping rope?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674474.0;attach=1354232;image)
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What with a fucking skipping rope?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674474.0;attach=1354232;image)
That is kind of funny but thanks you guys cured my brief anorexia very quickly have been eating nonstop for 3 days
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Why? What's healthier than 100% beef? What do you consider "wholesome sources of fat"?
I'm enjoying my life very much now because of my much improved health, thanks to this meat-based keto diet. I enjoy my food very much, and I do get to try new animal-based foods and new recipes often. I enjoy eating with others. They eat what they want, and I eat what I want.
If what you are eating is damaging your health, but you'd rather continue eating it anyway because it's what brings joy to your life, then you might have a very unhealthy relationship with food.
If you’re earnestly arguing that four Burger King whopper patties constitute a healthy meal than I think there’s little point in further discussion
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I havent regressed I have been working on my legs instead of my upper body. I will be the best I have been yet this summer by the pool
Post your leg routine. Getbig has many experienced bodybuilders who may be able to help.
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If you’re earnestly arguing that four Burger King whopper patties constitute a healthy meal than I think there’s little point in further discussion
Are you arguing that 100% beef is not a healthy meal? Why?
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Are you arguing that 100% beef is not a healthy meal? Why?
Not even carnivorous animals like lions or wolves which can synthesize their own vitamins like vit C could survive long term eating just beef patties. They eat organs, marrow, guts, brains etc as well as meat and fat to meet their nutritional needs.
Be careful with keto long term. Your body has reserves of a lot of vitamins and can recycle them to a degree, so you may not be deficient in anything yet, but one day your body will just start to crumble on you. It's not so much a keto issue, it's more a restrictive diet issue.
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Not even carnivorous animals like lions or wolves which can synthesize their own vitamins like vit C could survive long term eating just beef patties. They eat organs, marrow, guts, brains etc as well as meat and fat to meet their nutritional needs.
Be careful with keto long term. Your body has reserves of a lot of vitamins and can recycle them to a degree, so you may not be deficient in anything yet, but one day your body will just start to crumble on you. It's not so much a keto issue, it's more a restrictive diet issue.
Flexacon, thank you for your concern and warning!
There is fat in beef patties, which has fat soluble vitamins. I've been doing this consistently for over 2 years, and my health is better than ever, not just how I look and feel, but also my yearly physical and test results show it too. I know people who have been doing this for 10 to 20 years, and they are very healthy.
I never said all I eat is beef patties. I said I make a meal of that some times. I already posted what else I eat:
I still drink an occasional cup of decaf coffee with heavy cream and sugar substitute, occasionally add very low carb condiments (ketchup, mayo, mustard, BBQ sauce, salsa, apple cider vinegar) to my food, and occasionally enjoy sugar free Jell-O with sugar free whipping cream, or keto treats made with almond or coconut flower and sugar substitutes.
My goal is to gradually give up the above and go 100% carnivore eventually.
I drink mostly water, distilled flat water and purified seltzer water. I don't drink alcohol.
I eat mostly ribeye steaks, ground beef, burger patties from the grocery store or fast food, bacon, pulled pork, pork rinds, beef brisket, air fried chicken thighs, chicken wings fried in beef tallow (Buffalo Wild Wings), whole eggs, very low carb cheese, butter, bacon grease, heavy whipping cream, shrimp, crab meat, and salmon.
There are plenty of other animal-based foods that I can eat, but the above are the ones that I really enjoy. My key to sustaining this way of eating is to never eat anything I don't enjoy, and to keep it simple, convenient, and delicious. I don't eat organ meats.
I don't count calories, don't calculate macros, don't measure ketones or glucose, don't care if my food is organic or grass-fed grass-finished. I just keep it as simple and as convenient as possible.
My favorite restaurants now are Burger King and any Brazilian steakhouse. I rarely eat out anymore.
Just in case, I have been taking Magnesium Glycinate and vitamins C, D, E (gamma), and an occasional LMNT electrolytes (Sodium Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Malate) pocket in my water. I may not need these and probably will stop using them eventually.
I've effortlessly lost over 20 lbs, energy and mental clarity are through the roof, digestion and bowel movements are better than ever. I resolved allergies, skin tags (a symptom of insulin resistance) and other skin conditions, chronic joint and back pain, non-alcoholic fatty liver, high blood pressure, and acid reflux. My triglycerides dropped and continue to improve, while my HDL increased and continues to improve. I've never had the flu, never had COVID-19, and have only had one mild cold since starting this way of eating.
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Flexacon, thank you for your concern and warning!
There is fat in beef patties, which has fat soluble vitamins. I've been doing this consistently for over 2 years, and my health is better than ever, not just how I look and feel, but also my yearly physical and test results show it too. I know people who have been doing this for 10 to 20 years, and they are very healthy.
I never said all I eat is beef patties. I said I make a meal of that some times. I already posted what else I eat:
And you stick to only eating milk, meat, eggs, cheese?
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And you stick to only eating milk, meat, eggs, cheese?
I don't drink milk. It has too many carbs for me. I eat some cheese and some eggs, but I eat meat mostly. Above I posted all that I eat.
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Not even carnivorous animals like lions or wolves which can synthesize their own vitamins like vit C could survive long term eating just beef patties. They eat organs, marrow, guts, brains etc as well as meat and fat to meet their nutritional needs.
Be careful with keto long term. Your body has reserves of a lot of vitamins and can recycle them to a degree, so you may not be deficient in anything yet, but one day your body will just start to crumble on you. It's not so much a keto issue, it's more a restrictive diet issue.
That's why you include organ meat like beef liver. I eat an ounce a day, it's like taking a multivitamin/multimineral as well as drinking bone broth at least once or twice a week that I make in my crock pot.
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That's why you include organ meat like beef liver. I eat an ounce a day, it's like taking a multivitamin/multimineral as well as drinking bone broth at least once or twice a week that I make in my crock pot.
The Keto Kid,
Good job following this diet and not falling victim to the half truths and misinformation regarding red meat, saturated fat, dietary cholesterol, sodium, and LDL levels!
High blood glucose and many plant-based foods compete with vitamins and minerals for absorption. This is why after removing carbs and plant-based foods, carnivores' need for vitamins and minerals decreases to very low levels. And that is why many believe eating organ meats or taking multivitamins on a carnivore diet isn't necessary.
Be careful that you don't get toxicity from vitamin A and other fat soluble vitamins, copper, zinc and other minerals from eating organ meats. Vitamin A toxicity from eating liver is the biggest concern.
Not the reason why I don't eat liver anymore, but liver has carbs and fructose too. The liver stores glycogen and processes fructose.
Uric acid levels are not a concern when eating this much meat long term as some believe, as long as the carbs remain very low and alcohol is eliminated from the diet. However, adding liver/fructose can cause uric acid levels to become a concern on this diet.
The carnivores I know who have been doing this for 10-20 years don't eat organ meats and stick to skeletal muscle meats only. Some eat organ meats occasionally, but only because they really enjoy them. Most people don't enjoy eating organ meats.
In case you are interested in learning more about this:
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The Keto Kid,
Good job following this diet and not falling victim to the half truths and misinformation regarding red meat, saturated fat, dietary cholesterol, sodium, and LDL levels!
High blood glucose and many plant-based foods compete with vitamins and minerals for absorption. This is why after removing carbs and plant-based foods, carnivores' need for vitamins and minerals decreases to very low levels. And that is why many believe eating organ meats or taking multivitamins on a carnivore diet isn't necessary.
Be careful that you don't get toxicity from vitamin A and other fat soluble vitamins, copper, zinc and other minerals from eating organ meats. Vitamin A toxicity from eating liver is the biggest concern.
Not the reason why I don't eat liver anymore, but liver has carbs and fructose too. The liver stores glycogen and processes fructose.
Uric acid levels are not a concern when eating this much meat long term as some believe, as long as the carbs remain very low and alcohol is eliminated from the diet. However, adding liver/fructose can cause uric acid levels to become a concern on this diet.
The carnivores I know who have been doing this for 10-20 years don't eat organ meats and stick to skeletal muscle meats only. Some eat organ meats occasionally, but only because they really enjoy them. Most people don't enjoy eating organ meats.
In case you are interested in learning more about this:
Absolutely, if you're eating massive amount of organ meats you can be at risk, but an ounce a day is an adequate amount, and I'll go days without it as well.
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Absolutely, if you're eating massive amount of organ meats you can be at risk, but an ounce a day is an adequate amount, and I'll go days without it as well.
Yes, there is individual variation of how much of the fat soluble vitamins and how much of the minerals one can tolerate.
Glad you can tolerate that much! For some carnivores that's too much, especially when including other vitamin A rich foods such as egg yolks, butter, and fatty fish.
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It's our ancestral appropriate diet, it's what humans were literally designed to eat and thrive on, meat, organs, raw milk and at times depending on climate fruit/honey.
We are omnivores and thrive almost on anything as long as you don't eat too many calories.
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Yeah Dr. Chaffee knows his shit, he's been carnivore 10 years, professional rugby player, maintains a great physique all on red meat.
Maybe I'm related? ;)
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We are omnivores and thrive almost on anything as long as you don't eat too many calories.
just look into oxalates, phytates, anti nutrition that are in plants.
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i just had two glazed and a boston creme sipping my preworkout mocha. The Dunkin Donuts is directly across the street from the gym.
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just look into oxalates, phytates, anti nutrition that are in plants.
You can look at anything you want but we thrive on different diets. There are people all over the world who live almost exclusively on plants just as there are those who eat almost all meat. Only omnivores have this ability. If you force feed a lion fruit or deer hamburger they would die.
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You can look at anything you want but we thrive on different diets. There are people all over the world who live almost exclusively on plants just as there are those who eat almost all meat. Only omnivores have this ability. If you force feed a lion fruit or deer hamburger they would die.
the proof is in the results, thousands of vegans and vegetarians come to the carnivore diet with all types of health ailments, IBS, Crohns, Colitis, acid reflux suddenly healed, autoimmune diseases MS, Rheumatoid arthritis, etc suddenly healed, type 2 diabetes suddenly healed, people who had debilitating injuries plantar fasciitis running again. They cut out all plants and thrived.
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I have heard that liver actually contains quite a few carbs so it's not an ideal meat for keto.
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the proof is in the results, thousands of vegans and vegetarians come to the carnivore diet with all types of health ailments, IBS, Crohns, Colitis, acid reflux suddenly healed, autoimmune diseases MS, Rheumatoid arthritis, etc suddenly healed, type 2 diabetes suddenly healed, people who had debilitating injuries plantar fasciitis running again. They cut out all plants and thrived.
This is true.
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I have heard that liver actually contains quite a few carbs so it's not an ideal meat for keto.
I have 2 glasses of raw milk and 1 ounce of liver daily, my carbs are around 20 grams, I'm always in deep ketosis.
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I have heard that liver actually contains quite a few carbs so it's not an ideal meat for keto.
Not the reason why I don't eat liver anymore, but liver has carbs and fructose too. The liver stores glycogen and processes fructose.
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I have 2 glasses of raw milk and 1 ounce of liver daily, my carbs are around 20 grams, I'm always in deep ketosis.
Yes, most people get into and stay in ketosis when keeping carbs at 20g or less per day. Some people can go as high as 50g and stay in ketosis. Good job!
I like to keep my carbs as close to zero as possible, since they're not essential, and let my body make the carbs that it needs when it needs them. So I don't do milk. 2 glasses is 24g of carbs.
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I knew I heard it someplace!
:D
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Yes, most people get into and stay in ketosis when keeping carbs at 20g or less per day. Good job!
the carbs are used up quickly I have the milk pre and post workout. Side note raw milk is absolutely delicious feels like I'm drinking ice cream. And it's really sad that we developed pasteurization, the reason why most humans can't digest milk (myself included) is due to pasteurization, it kills of all the healthy enzymes and bacteria that help digest the lactose. I didn't drink milk for over 20 years due to the fact I'd have extreme gas/Diarrhea, I tried raw milk and have zero digestive issues with it, not to mention this diet alone I never fart, maybe once a day tops.
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the carbs are used up quickly I have the milk pre and post workout. Side note raw milk is absolutely delicious feels like I'm drinking ice cream. And it's really sad that we developed pasteurization, the reason why most humans can't digest milk (myself included) is due to pasteurization, it kills of all the healthy enzymes and bacteria that help digest the lactose. I didn't drink milk for over 20 years due to the fact I'd have extreme gas/Diarrhea, I tried raw milk and have zero digestive issues with it, not to mention this diet alone I never fart, maybe once a day tops.
Good for you!
But be careful with that raw milk. It only takes one sip from one bad batch.
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There are people who just eat chips or chocolate and hardly anything else.
They dont die
Google "Freaky Eaters"
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Essential Amino accids = check
Essential Fats = check
Essential Carbs = they dont exist
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Essential Amino accids = check
Essential Fats = check
Essential Carbs = they dont exist
Eggxactly!
"Thus, exogenous glucose (eg, from added sugars) is not essential for sustaining life in humans, and in most people, restricting dietary carbohydrates seems to produce no ill effects.49 In fact, according to the Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine of the US National Academies of Sciences, ‘The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed’.50"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4975866/
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Good for you!
But be careful with that raw milk. It only takes one sip from one bad batch.
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I trust the farm I get it from, they are extremely thorough. And anyone want to grow and get crazy size, drink a shit ton of raw milk, you'll grow like a weed. No wonder why these people that grow up on farms are big robust people. Also understand why Vince Gironda was big on cream, eggs, and beef, these foods will definitely put size on anyone.
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Eggxactly!
"Thus, exogenous glucose (eg, from added sugars) is not essential for sustaining life in humans, and in most people, restricting dietary carbohydrates seems to produce no ill effects.49 In fact, according to the Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine of the US National Academies of Sciences, ‘The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed’.50"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4975866/
carbs are the elites way of killing people
Easy to over consume, the body has no "off switch" with simple carbs
Cheap shitty processed foods are slowly killing people.
All started in the 70s when they advocated the "low fat diet", before that 99% of the population didnt have a weight problem
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Any of you who follow keto diet ever take in a couple of tablespoons of olive oil or avacado oil just for quick easy calories?
I lost about 25 lbs on a keto diet a few years ago. A staple of my diet was heavy cream. My bloodwork and b/p was the best its ever been in my life. I think I'm going to start a keto approach again but something about consuming that much fat from dairy doesn't seem like such a good idea at my age.
Ohh I was doing almost all boxing training at the time. Lots of heavy bag work, jumping rope and running. So that played a part in my blood work looking so good...
Now Im only weights.
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Any of you who follow keto diet ever take in a couple of tablespoons of olive oil or avacado oil just for quick easy calories?
I lost about 25 lbs on a keto diet a few years ago. A staple of my diet was heavy cream. My bloodwork and b/p was the best its ever been in my life. I think I'm going to start a keto approach again but something about consuming that much fat from dairy doesn't seem like such a good idea at my age.
Ohh I was doing almost all boxing training at the time. Lots of heavy bag work, jumping rope and running. So that played a part in my blood work looking so good...
Now Im only weights.
cut those out, they're usually fake cut with canola oil, you want to add grass fed beef tallow to cook with or add to meals or ghee.
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Any of you who follow keto diet ever take in a couple of tablespoons of olive oil or avacado oil just for quick easy calories?
I lost about 25 lbs on a keto diet a few years ago. A staple of my diet was heavy cream. My bloodwork and b/p was the best its ever been in my life. I think I'm going to start a keto approach again but something about consuming that much fat from dairy doesn't seem like such a good idea at my age.
Ohh I was doing almost all boxing training at the time. Lots of heavy bag work, jumping rope and running. So that played a part in my blood work looking so good...
Now Im only weights.
I recommend Dr. Eric Westman's keto diet. It's simple, straightforward, and very effective. Download the list of foods validated and used by Dr. Eric Westman.
https://store.payloadz.com/details/2611109-ebooks-health-page-4-diet.html
Dr. Westman has been conducting clinical research on the keto diet for 20 years using his version of the keto diet to successfully reverse obesity, type 2 diabetes, PCOS, acid reflux, high blood pressure and other health conditions for thousands of patients.
He is an Associate Professor of Medicine at Duke University. He is Board Certified in Obesity Medicine and Internal Medicine and founded the Duke Keto Medicine Clinic.
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Keto kid, Loco, thanks for the pointers.
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Keto kid, Loco, thanks for the pointers.
You are welcome!
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Keto kid, Loco, thanks for the pointers.
No worries, do some research, look up Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr. Paul Saladino, Dr. Anthony Chaffee, Dr. Ken Berry. You'll learn a ton of stuff about nutrition and how blatantly obvious it is that humans were designed to eat this way. This diet can be tailored to heal various health ailments or for performance.
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Any of you who follow keto diet ever take in a couple of tablespoons of olive oil or avacado oil just for quick easy calories?
I lost about 25 lbs on a keto diet a few years ago. A staple of my diet was heavy cream. My bloodwork and b/p was the best its ever been in my life. I think I'm going to start a keto approach again but something about consuming that much fat from dairy doesn't seem like such a good idea at my age.
Ohh I was doing almost all boxing training at the time. Lots of heavy bag work, jumping rope and running. So that played a part in my blood work looking so good...
Now Im only weights.
I take 2-3 tbls of olive oil a day to get extra fat and calories.
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I take 2-3 tbls of olive oil a day to get extra fat and calories.
most olive oil is fake man
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Good for you!
But be careful with that raw milk. It only takes one sip from one bad batch.
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Yeah. Can get worms through the milk if the animal has worms.
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Yeah. Can get worms through the milk if the animal has worms.
if you do the research the likelihood of you getting sick from raw milk, you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning, it's like its like 1 in 11,000 chance or something.
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Milk will clog up your ears
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Milk will clog up your ears
not raw milk, Pastured milk will definitely do various things to you especially, digestive issues, sinus issues.
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if you do the research the likelihood of you getting sick from raw milk, you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning, it's like its like 1 in 11,000 chance or something.
Still a chance but I’m sure farms de worm livestock every year.
Toney Freeman had a parasite infection. I wonder if eating a lot of meat a person should deworm. Not sure it’s that hard to get a parasite, walking barefoot it can happen.
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Still a chance but I’m sure farms de worm livestock every year.
Toney Freeman had a parasite infection. I wonder if eating a lot of meat a person should deworm. Not sure it’s that hard to get a parasite, walking barefoot it can happen.
there may be some symptoms you experience if you have a parasite, if you have any issues with elimination (diarrhea, constipation), gas, bloating, you should go strict carnivore and after 4-6 weeks on carnivore, if you still have those symptoms, fasting for 4-5 days should clear this up.
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the proof is in the results, thousands of vegans and vegetarians come to the carnivore diet with all types of health ailments, IBS, Crohns, Colitis, acid reflux suddenly healed, autoimmune diseases MS, Rheumatoid arthritis, etc suddenly healed, type 2 diabetes suddenly healed, people who had debilitating injuries plantar fasciitis running again. They cut out all plants and thrived.
When did I say to go Vegan? People who only eat meat have their own health problems.
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When did I say to go Vegan? People who only eat meat have their own health problems.
Such as?
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Such as?
Colon cancer for one.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/
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Colon cancer for one.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/
That study specifically calls out processed meat, plus the addition of confounding factors.
Regenerative, grass fed, no hormone meat combined with a healthy lifestyle shouldn't cause issues.
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Still a chance but I’m sure farms de worm livestock every year.
Toney Freeman had a parasite infection. I wonder if eating a lot of meat a person should deworm. Not sure it’s that hard to get a parasite, walking barefoot it can happen.
You can certainly get worms from eating contaminated meat, and any other food(vegetables, fruit, grains, etc.) that was handled by someone who had touched feces and didn't wash their hands. You can get worms from drinking contaminated water, or drinking anything that has ice made with contaminated water, or in a cup or glass that was washed with contaminated water.
You can get worms from your pets, gardening, swimming in a lake or creek, or a weekend hike, working in daycare or hospital or nursing home.
So by that logic, everyone should deworm once or twice a year. I don't know, maybe public officials in first world countries should recommend deworming for everyone. Maybe they don't do it out of pride, because it's a third world problem.
As The Keto Kid said, parasites feed on sugar. So by being in ketosis via fasting, a ketogenic diet or carnivore diet, you create in your body an anti-parasitic environment depleted of what gives them energy. If their energy source is removed, they won’t be able to reproduce.
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That study specifically calls out processed meat, plus the addition of confounding factors.
Regenerative, grass fed, no hormone meat combined with a healthy lifestyle shouldn't cause issues.
Good luck paying double for no health benefits.
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most olive oil is fake man
Don't believe her when she says she's a virgin.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/olive-foil/
What's True:
Testing carried out in 2008 and 2010 reported that some popular olive oil brands did not meet the criteria to be labeled as "extra virgin."
What's False:
Tests did not show that 69% of the olive oil sold in the U.S. is made wholly or primarily from something other than olives.
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Good luck paying double for no health benefits.
You believe there's no difference between say, processed cured lunch meats, and meat from natural sources, from both a nutritional standpoint, and an overall impact on health?
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Joe Anderson, 60 years old, strict carnivore for 20 years eating nothing but ribeye steaks
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Colon cancer for one.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26780279/
No, that study most certainly doesn't say that "People who only eat meat", as you said, get colon cancer.
The study wasn't done in the context of a very low carb diet. So it may or may not be true for those eating meat along with a high carb intake, as most people do in first world countries. The high carb intake, promoting high blood glucose and high insulin(a growth hormone) levels, is the problem and not the meat.
Recent studies:
"The panel suggests that adults continue current unprocessed red meat consumption (weak recommendation, low-certainty evidence). Similarly, the panel suggests adults continue current processed meat consumption (weak recommendation, low-certainty evidence)."
"For cohort studies addressing adverse cancer outcomes (31 cohorts with 3.5 million participants providing data for our dose–response analysis), we also found low- to very low-certainty evidence that a decreased intake of processed meat was associated with a very small absolute risk reduction in overall lifetime cancer mortality; prostate cancer mortality; and the incidence of esophageal, colorectal, and breast cancer (range, 1 fewer to 8 fewer events per 1000 persons with a decrease of 3 servings/wk), with no statistically significant differences in incidence or mortality for 12 additional cancer outcomes (colorectal, gastric, and pancreatic cancer mortality; overall, endometrial, gastric, hepatic, small intestinal, oral, ovarian, pancreatic, and prostate cancer incidence)"
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M19-1621
The analysis provide no evidence to suggest that lower intake or reduction in total and in red meat consumption during a period of 4 years reduces the risk of adenoma recurrence (including multiple or advanced adenoma)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15167213/
"In a large multinational prospective study, we did not find significant associations between unprocessed red meat and poultry intake and mortality or major CVD"
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/114/3/1049/6195530?login=false
"unprocessed red meat intake was associated with reduced risks of all-cause dementia"
"Unprocessed red meat appeared to be protective"
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/114/1/175/6178922?login=false
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Fad diets are all bad stop this nonsense and eat a well-diversified diet we are omnivores we have gall bladders and appendix for a reason you need micronutrients from a variety of food not just macros from meat and fat. I had a steak yesterday and I cooked a lot of mushrooms with it and had some rice the mushrooms have the micronutrients its way healthier than just eating steak
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Joe Anderson, 60 years old, strict carnivore for 20 years eating nothing but ribeye steaks
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677744.0;attach=1355993;image)
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677744.0;attach=1355995;image)
And his wife: 48 years old, strict carnivore for 20 years too.
(https://allthingscarnivore.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Charlene-Anderson-Copy.jpg)
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Good luck paying double for no health benefits.
Paying double is not necessarily true:
Not necessarily. Many people already eat plenty of meat with their carbs, 3 or more meals a day. If they eliminate the carbs, they automatically start eating only once or twice per day. They'll stop spending money on alcohol, fresh vegetables and fruits, sweets, sugary drinks, medications, supplements, etc. They'll eat out less too.
That was the case for me and for many people I know. At worst I'm breaking even. I'm about to eat a pound of 100% beef Whopper patties, with grocery store bought bacon and smoke cheddar...dirty, lazy, affordable, and delicious. :P
And yes, I have already experienced many health benefits and my health continues to improve the longer I eat this way.
I'd rather pay the farmer double now than pay big pharma 10 times more later.
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Fad diets are all bad stop this nonsense and eat a well-diversified diet we are omnivores we have gall bladders and appendix for a reason you need micronutrients from a variety of food not just macros from meat and fat. I had a steak yesterday and I cooked a lot of mushrooms with it and had some rice the mushrooms have the micronutrients its way healthier than just eating steak
beef liver is the most nutrient dense food on the planet. And it's not a fad diet it's literally what humans were designed to eat, it's the proper human diet.
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beef liver is the most nutrient dense food on the planet. And it's not a fad diet it's literally what humans were designed to eat, it's the proper human diet.
No one is saying don't eat meat. I eat meat at least 3 times a day but we are omnivores we are designed to eat everything. Meat is great for macronutrients but you still need things like Fiber and Vitamin C and Flavonoids you will miss out on micronutrients and vitamins if you only eating meat. Do you want scurvy?
https://www.mushroomcouncil.org/all-about-mushrooms/nutrition/
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No one is saying don't eat meat. I eat meat at least 3 times a day but we are omnivores we are designed to eat everything. Meat is great for macronutrients but you still need things like Fiber and Vitamin C and Flavonoids you will miss out on micronutrients and vitamins if you only eating meat. Do you want scurvy?
you don't need fiber, in fact fiber is detrimental for digestion, and there's vitamin c in beef liver. I can go on all day.
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you don't need fiber, in fact fiber is detrimental for digestion, and there's vitamin c in beef liver. I can go on all day.
I've been consuming zero fiber for about two years. My digestive issues are now gone, and my bowel movements are better than ever.
I used to fear I'd get constipated if I didn't eat plenty of fiber everyday, and if I ate a lot of red meat. All half truths and misinformation I fell for. It's actually the opposite.
There is a little vitamin C in skeletal muscle meats too. People eating a very low carb diet don't need as much vitamin C because their blood glucose is low. Glucose and vitamin C compete for absorption. Fiber blocks the absorption of nutrients and medications too.
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I've been consuming zero fiber for about two years. My digestive issues are now gone, and my bowel movements are better than ever.
I used to fear I'd get constipated if I didn't eat plenty of fiber everyday, and if I ate a lot of red meat. All half truths and misinformation I fell for. It's actually the opposite.
There is a little vitamin C in skeletal muscle meats too. People eating a very low carb diet don't need as much vitamin C because their blood glucose is low. Glucose and vitamin C compete for absorption. Fiber blocks the absorption of nutrients and medication too.
exactly there's tons of studies showing people with IBS, Crohns, etc when all fiber was removed symptoms dramatically improved. My digestion dramatically improved since going carnivore or even keto where I had a small amount of fiber coming from avocado.
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you don't need fiber, in fact fiber is detrimental for digestion, and there's vitamin c in beef liver. I can go on all day.
It's simple basic logic a diverse diet is going to be healthier. You will get more nutrition from a variety of sources than one source of food. The human body is designed to eat and digest everything. You get nutrients from plants fruits and vegetable and fungi you simply cannot get from Meat. Excluding food sources that have Nutrional value not found in meat makes no sense. And whoever told you fiber is bad for you is lying to you.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fiber/art-20043983
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Bhanky,
You should try a very low carb, moderate protein, high fat eating plan.
Likely, many of your digestive problems would disappear.
Give it a shot. Right now you are a sh8tting and twisted gut wreck.
What have you got to lose?
You have to keep the fat intake high though but no trans or hydrogenated fats.
Good fat:
Olive oil
Butter
Heavy cream
Animal fat
Avocados
Nuts
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It's simple basic logic a diverse diet is going to be healthier. You will get more nutrition from a variety of sources than one source of food. The human body is designed to eat and digest everything. You get nutrients from plants fruits and vegetable and fungi you simply cannot get from Meat. Excluding food sources that have Nutrional value not found in meat makes no sense. And whoever told you fiber is bad for you is lying to you.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fiber/art-20043983
How's that working for you so far?
You are a mess of sh8tting and bowel conditions.
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How's that working for you so far?
You are a mess of sh8tting and bowel conditions.
The more veggies I eat the better I feel
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Bhanky,
You should try a very low carb, moderate protein, high fat eating plan.
Likely, many of your digestive problems would disappear.
Give it a shot. Right now you are a sh8tting and twisted gut wreck.
What have you got to lose?
You have to keep the fat intake high though but no trans or hydrogenated fats.
Good fat:
Olive oil
Butter
Heavy cream
Animal fat
Avocados
Nuts
How the fuck do you think anyone in their mid 40s is going to grow any kind of muscle on a low carb diet? Low carbs is great if I want to weigh 195lbs and be 5% bodyfat. I am not going to add an ounce of weight just eating meat and milk. I am single digit bodyfat right now stuffing my face with everything. I do not need an extreme diet cutting off my micronutrients. Bodybuilders should be concerned with getting enough protein and getting enough calories. Carbs are protein sparring your body will just burn the damn protein you are eating for energy if you don't eat carbs. You will not just run on fat.
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It's simple basic logic a diverse diet is going to be healthier. You will get more nutrition from a variety of sources than one source of food. The human body is designed to eat and digest everything. You get nutrients from plants fruits and vegetable and fungi you simply cannot get from Meat. Excluding food sources that have Nutrional value not found in meat makes no sense. And whoever told you fiber is bad for you is lying to you.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fiber/art-20043983
keep doing your thing man, I'm all about optimizing my health, quality of life, longevity. Isn't strange how the bodybuilders of the late 60s and 70s following Vince Gironda's diet of beef, eggs, cream, never had digestion issues like the bodybuilders of today, they all had full heads of hair, they all had glowing skin. Contrast that with the guys today, guys in their 20s look 40, they constantly complain about bloating/digestion issues, taking greens powder/fiber powder/getting colonics, terrible acne, hair loss, it goes on and on. Sugar ages the fuck out of you, processed foods like cream of rice that these guys eat all day because it's "easily digestible" is absolutely terrible for you, powders with artificial flavoring and food dye is absolutely terrible for you. I can go on for days.
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Ispaghula = Psyllium Husk Fiber
"Researchers have found that a daily dose of ispaghula husks, a supplement sold as a natural laxative, increases the number of polyps in the guts"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1370123/High-fibre-supplement-linked-to-cancer-risk.html
"Supplementation with fibre as ispaghula husk may have adverse effects on colorectal adenoma(polyps) recurrence"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11073017
Vegetarians Have Fewer Cancers But Higher Risk Of Colorectal Cancer, Study
“Within the study, the incidence of all cancers combined was lower among vegetarians than among meat eaters, but the incidence of colorectal cancer was higher in vegetarians than in meat eaters”
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142427#1
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keep doing your thing man, I'm all about optimizing my health, quality of life, longevity. Isn't strange how the bodybuilders of the late 60s and 70s following Vince Gironda's diet of beef, eggs, cream, never had digestion issues like the bodybuilders of today, they all had full heads of hair, they all had glowing skin. Contrast that with the guys today, guys in their 20s look 40, they constantly complain about bloating/digestion issues, taking greens powder/fiber powder/getting colonics, terrible acne, hair loss, it goes on and on. Sugar ages the fuck out of you, processed foods like cream of rice that these guys eat all day because it's "easily digestible" is absolutely terrible for you, powders with artificial flavoring and food dye is absolutely terrible for you. I can go on for days.
No one is saying not to eat beef, eggs, and milk but not eating and vegetables or fungi is fucking nonsense zero carbs is nonsense carbs spare protein burning protein for energy is not efficient
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No one is saying not to eat beef, eggs, and milk but not eating and vegetables or fungi is fucking nonsense zero carbs is nonsense carbs spare protein burning protein for energy is not efficient
ok man, keep doing your thing, if that's what you believe then do what you think is best. But again if you're a student of bodybuilding look at the guys of the 70s, quality muscle, full heads of hair, great skin, trained for hours a day, all on high fat/high protein, minimal drugs. Isn't strange how by today's standards you need carbs to grow, you can't train too much or you'll lose size. These guys trained twice a day and took Sundays off. All on steak, eggs, and full fat cream.
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ok man, keep doing your thing, if that's what you believe then do what you think is best. But again if you're a student of bodybuilding look at the guys of the 70s, quality muscle, full heads of hair, great skin, trained for hours a day, all on high fat/high protein, minimal drugs. Isn't strange how by today's standards you need carbs to grow, you can't train too much or you'll lose size. These guys trained twice a day and took Sundays off. All on steak, eggs, and full fat cream.
Yeah and my grandfather walked 10 miles uphill in the snow to school everyday bullshit
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No one is saying not to eat beef, eggs, and milk but not eating and vegetables or fungi is fucking nonsense zero carbs is nonsense carbs spare protein burning protein for energy is not efficient
Fat is converted to glucose too via gluconeogenesis, not just protein.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3140964/
A lot less protein than you think is converted to glucose in people who have been in nutritional ketosis a while because they are consuming plenty of fat and their body has adapted to using fat for energy instead of glucose. Their body has plenty of nutritional and stored fat to convert to glucose when needed.
Because most organs and tissues can use ketone bodies as an alternative source of energy, relatively little glucose will need to be created when a person is in ketosis.
"Ketones are anti-catabolic and protein sparing."
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Yeah and my grandfather walked 10 miles uphill in the snow to school everyday bullshit
😁
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Yeah and my grandfather walked 10 miles uphill in the snow to school everyday bullshit
Much respect for your Grandpa.
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If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting the same results, which in Bhanky's case is sh8tting, twisted guts of peace.
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ok man, keep doing your thing, if that's what you believe then do what you think is best. But again if you're a student of bodybuilding look at the guys of the 70s, quality muscle, full heads of hair, great skin, trained for hours a day, all on high fat/high protein, minimal drugs. Isn't strange how by today's standards you need carbs to grow, you can't train too much or you'll lose size. These guys trained twice a day and took Sundays off. All on steak, eggs, and full fat cream.
That’s all true. If you have ever noticed a vegan or whatever terms that doesn’t eat meat, they look sickly and have little to no muscle tone and a pudge look.
I just think moderation is key.
Larry Scott was a big believer in protein and fats, had that hyper growth protein that was high fat, moderate protein.
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The more veggies I eat the better I feel
apart from a shit coated cucumber I dont recall any vegatables in your fridge photo
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I have been eating a lot of mixed green salads recently I go through two large bins of it a week. i keep it in the produce drawer. Right now cold no pump. I am currently heating up some mac and cheese with sliced italian sausage thrown in it with some salsa and mushrooms. I had bacon for breakfast with chocolate milk.
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That’s all true. If you have ever noticed a vegan or whatever terms that doesn’t eat meat, they look sickly and have little to no muscle tone and a pudge look.
I just think moderation is key.
Larry Scott was a big believer in protein and fats, had that hyper growth protein that was high fat, moderate protein.
Moderation is key. Extreme diets on either side are less healthy and unnecessary. Why cut out half the foods from your life?
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Moderation is key. Extreme diets on either side are less healthy and unnecessary. Why cut out half the foods from your life?
You keep saying this but offer no proof.
I don't do carnivore, but I know plenty who do, they love it, have great bloodwork, and look great.
There's no one size fits all solution to this stuff. If it works for them, it works.
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You keep saying this but offer no proof.
I don't do carnivore, but I know plenty who do, they love it, have great bloodwork, and look great.
There's no one size fits all solution to this stuff. If it works for them, it works.
I don't care how anybody eats but there are loads of studies on this. I posted one already. Here's another:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10466162/
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I don't care how anybody eats but there are loads of studies on this. I posted one already. Here's another:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10466162/
You posted one that we made counter points to, and you didn't respond.
Either way, I'm not a fan of anything extreme either, but I don't think there is a "right way" for everyone.
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You posted one that we made counter points to, and you didn't respond.
Either way, I'm not a fan of anything extreme either, but I don't think there is a "right way" for everyone.
There was no reason for a response because your argument was that they weren't eating 100% meat, which is ridiculous. You don't accept meta analysis so there is no reason to carry on the discussion. You do you.
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Fad diets are all bad stop this nonsense and eat a well-diversified diet we are omnivores we have gall bladders and appendix for a reason you need micronutrients from a variety of food not just macros from meat and fat. I had a steak yesterday and I cooked a lot of mushrooms with it and had some rice the mushrooms have the micronutrients its way healthier than just eating steak
What is the reason for the appendix Hankins?
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There was no reason for a response because your argument was that they weren't eating 100% meat, which is ridiculous. You don't accept meta analysis so there is no reason to carry on the discussion. You do you.
No, I asked if you see any nutritional difference between processed lunch meats and naturally sourced meats, since you said I was "paying double" for no benefit.
Processed meats were specifically called out in your study. But, of course if someone eats meat combined with bread, chips, etc it's going to affect the study. Even Keto, Carnivore types state that if you're going to eat junk, that high meat consumption isn't the way.
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What is the reason for the appendix Hankins?
so you can go in hospital when you are 10 to have it out.
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I don't care how anybody eats but there are loads of studies on this. I posted one already. Here's another:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10466162/
Do you even read those studies before you post them?
If you believe this and the other study you posted, then you are at much higher risk of colorectal cancer and other cancers than someone on a meat heavy keto diet or a carnivore diet, because you eat meat along with a high carb intake. Those are the study subjects, not people who eat a meat heavy, very low carb diet. The carbs are the problem.
All clinical studies done in the context of a very low carb, ketogenic diet have the opposite conclusion. An obesity clinic at Duke University has treated thousands of patients with a very meat heavy keto diet for 20 years, and they have never seen any health issues caused by this diet in these patients. On the contrary, these patients reversed many health issues on this diet.
From the study you posted:
"Estimates of relative risk obtained from cohort investigations are in the same direction, although generally weak"
"existing studies suggest that vegetarians do not have reduced risk of breast, bowel or prostate cancer "
"the type, amount, and cooking method of meat or protein associated with increased risk are not certain"
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Essential Amino accids = check
Essential Fats = check
Essential Carbs = they dont exist
Eggxactly!
"Thus, exogenous glucose (eg, from added sugars) is not essential for sustaining life in humans, and in most people, restricting dietary carbohydrates seems to produce no ill effects.49 In fact, according to the Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine of the US National Academies of Sciences, ‘The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apparently is zero, provided that adequate amounts of protein and fat are consumed’.50"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4975866/
carbs are the elites way of killing people
Easy to over consume, the body has no "off switch" with simple carbs
Cheap shitty processed foods are slowly killing people.
All started in the 70s when they advocated the "low fat diet", before that 99% of the population didnt have a weight problem
Yup, makes one wonder: If dietary protein and fat are essential, and carbs are non-essential, why are most people in first world countries who have access to protein and fat eating a diet that is mostly carbs?
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Dr. Shawn Baker, super functional and muscular, 55 years old nothing but meat, doesn't even do organ meat.
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Dr. Shawn Baker, super functional and muscular, 55 years old nothing but meat, doesn't even do organ meat.
He is also strong as fuck, and claims no TRT or anything. Not sure I believe that.
Even though I've been defending the diet, showing a pic of one guy doesn't prove anything.
But, Baker's videos where he eats meat watching vegan videos creating their fake versions of meat are hilarious.
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Even though I've been defending the diet, showing a pic of one guy doesn't prove anything.
Agreed, but it's not just one pic of one guy. It's one of several. At least it shows you can build muscle on a very low carb diet, contrary to popular belief.
Yeah Dr. Chaffee knows his shit, he's been carnivore 10 years, professional rugby player, maintains a great physique all on red meat.
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677744.0;attach=1355219;image)
Joe Anderson, 60 years old, strict carnivore for 20 years eating nothing but ribeye steaks
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677744.0;attach=1355993;image)
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LOL...third time this video has been posted in this thread.
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plants have evolved for billions of years not to be eaten
Animals haven't
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He is also strong as fuck, and claims no TRT or anything. Not sure I believe that.
Even though I've been defending the diet, showing a pic of one guy doesn't prove anything.
But, Baker's videos where he eats meat watching vegan videos creating their fake versions of meat are hilarious.
Definitely a strong dude, and functional, kettle bell work, box jumps with weights, jujitsu, out lifted Stan Efferding at Mark Bells gym. Even if he is on trt, he performs better then 20 year Olds juiced to the gills, be hard pressed to find someone at his age that could hang with him.
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Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
Research Scientist, Inst. Human and Machine Cognition
Associate Professor, College of Medicine Molecular Pharmacology & Physiology
"The main focus of his lab over the last 10 years has been understanding the anticonvulsant and neuroprotective mechanism of the ketogenic diet and ketone metabolite supplementation."
https://ketonutrition.org/about/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EILzAzUWwAAmGej.jpg)
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Definitely a strong dude, and functional, kettle bell work, box jumps with weights, jujitsu, out lifted Stan Efferding at Mark Bells gym. Even if he is on trt, he performs better then 20 year Olds juiced to the gills, be hard pressed to find someone at his age that could hang with him.
Don't disagree at all, but wish he was honest.....his strength is through the roof.
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Agreed, but it's not just one pic of one guy. It's one of several. At least it shows you can build muscle on a very low carb diet, contrary to popular belief.
By the way, they retested my blood today (unfasted), and my triglycerides were right back to normal.
Odd.
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By the way, they retested my blood today (unfasted), and my triglycerides were right back to normal.
Odd.
Awesome.
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By the way, they retested my blood today (unfasted), and my triglycerides were right back to normal.
Odd.
Nice I get labs tomorrow, interested to see my lipids.
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Do you even read those studies before you post them?
If you believe this and the other study you posted, then you are at much higher risk of colorectal cancer and other cancers than someone on a meat heavy keto diet or a carnivore diet, because you eat meat along with a high carb intake. Those are the study subjects, not people who eat a meat heavy, very low carb diet. The carbs are the problem.
All clinical studies done in the context of a very low carb, ketogenic diet have the opposite conclusion. An obesity clinic at Duke University has treated thousands of patients with a very meat heavy keto diet for 20 years, and they have never seen any health issues caused by this diet in these patients. On the contrary, these patients reversed many health issues on this diet.
From the study you posted:
"Estimates of relative risk obtained from cohort investigations are in the same direction, although generally weak"
"existing studies suggest that vegetarians do not have reduced risk of breast, bowel or prostate cancer "
"the type, amount, and cooking method of meat or protein associated with increased risk are not certain"
Nice cherry picking.
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One thing i also noticed after dropping seed oils and eating mostly animal fats for fat is that i rarely got sunburn. My skin tolerates the sun way better than before. Haven't used sunscreen for 2 years
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Definitely a strong dude, and functional, kettle bell work, box jumps with weights, jujitsu, out lifted Stan Efferding at Mark Bells gym. Even if he is on trt, he performs better then 20 year Olds juiced to the gills, be hard pressed to find someone at his age that could hang with him.
He's juiced to the tits.
But obviously he lies about it because he is selling something.
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This is interesting.
Maybe i will try this diet.
My best health profiles and daily feeling was on low carb.
I did intermittent fasting for a while it felt great, but after 4 months it was just too much of a hassle.
Going low carb i have found sometimes my blood pressure gets too low.
Carbs are terrible, but they taste amazing.
Hard to turn them down sometimes.
I eat a lot of meat and eggs. I used to drink milk but i haven't in a while now.
Maybe i will reduce the rice/potatoes and veggies for a while. I don't eat much fruit.
I can't honestly see myself eating meat all the time, but it's worth a shot. I like to try new things.
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I had bad allergies for 20 years. Went straight carnivore for a few weeks and I was off all medications.
I do occasionally eat chick pea or lental pasta with no effect. I believe there is something in our bread and pasta that is very harmful. Gluten or something else.
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what do you do when you crave a stack of pancakes, or bread or pizza, icecream?... beer?....
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I have my beer now and then. Totally lost my craving for pizza and pasta. Last time I ate pizza was at a superbowl party. Felt like a pile of shit the next day. Got bloated and shit sludge.
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what do you do when you crave a stack of pancakes, or bread or pizza, icecream?... beer?....
honestly you just stop craving it, if you survive the first 4-6 weeks, you just crave meat, eggs. Especially coming from the low fat bodybuilding diets of egg whites, tilapia, chicken, having bacon and eggs, steak, ground beef, and some raw milk feels like heaven.
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Everyone could learn a good amount from this podcast, bodybuilding related as well.
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what do you do when you crave a stack of pancakes, or bread or pizza, icecream?... beer?....
When you are in ketosis, all cravings and frequent hunger go away. Protein and fat are very satiating, while carbs are not satiating at all.
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When you are in ketosis, all cravings and frequent hunger go away. Protein and fat are very satiating, while carbs are not satiating at all.
I think it's true without ketosis.
Once I cut all that shit out, I never miss/crave it.
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I think it's true without ketosis.
Once I cut all that shit out, I never miss/crave it.
Yes, you are right. Simply lowering carbs, even if not low enough for ketosis, and replacing them with plenty of animal protein and fat will do the trick. Also giving up any food long enough will make anybody stop missing it and craving it.
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I had bad allergies for 20 years. Went straight carnivore for a few weeks and I was off all medications.
I do occasionally eat chick pea or lental pasta with no effect. I believe there is something in our bread and pasta that is very harmful. Gluten or something else.
And when you tried the different pasta you don’t feel bloated I’m assuming?
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wooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh h
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And when you tried the different pasta you don’t feel bloated I’m assuming?
No bloating. But I must be near a toilet. Must be the extra fiber that clears me out.
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wooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Looks wimpy in the video.
Must be off the sauce.
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Looks wimpy in the video.
Must be off the sauce.
lol, looks pretty good for 55
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Nice cherry picking.
If you say so.
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lol, looks pretty good for 55
His neck is as thick as his head. You can fit his entire face on his neck.
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Labs in, Exactly what I wanted to see Hdl to triglycerides ratio almost exactly 1. The closer to 1 the better.
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Labs in, Exactly what I wanted to see Hdl to triglycerides ratio almost exactly 1. The closer to 1 the better.
The Keto Kid,
Good job. That's awesome!
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Labs in, Exactly what I wanted to see Hdl to triglycerides ratio almost exactly 1. The closer to 1 the better.
Why have HDL and Triglycerdies the same number/ ratio of 1?
Wouldn't you want HDL higher than Triglycerides?
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Why have HDL and Triglycerdies the same number/ ratio of 1?
Wouldn't you want HDL higher than Triglycerides?
Yes, you want the Triglycerides/HDL ratio to be close to 1 or lower, but not much higher than 1. This can be accomplished by lowering Triglycerides, increasing HDL, or preferably both. A very low carb diet accomplishes both.
My Triglycerides have gradually decreased and my HDL gradually increased since I've been on a very low carb diet for over two years.
Based on my latest lipid panel:
Triglycerides: 89
HDL: 54
Triglycerides/HDL Ratio: 89/54 = 1.65
Cholesterol is an outdated and poor indicator of heart disease risk. Triglycerides/HDL ratio is the single most powerful indicator:
"Low ratio values such as this one indicate good insulin sensitivity; which means that insulin is doing a great job helping to move glucose and amino acids from the blood into your cells. It also means that you have a relatively low risk of developing prediabetes, type 2 diabetes, and metabolic syndrome. Additionally, low ratios indicate that you have the relatively innocuous ‘large and fluffy’ LDL cholesterol type, which makes you less prone to coronary heart disease (CHD)."
https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/11/28/cardiorespiratory-fitness-the-triglyceridehdl-ratio-and-coronary-heart-disease-mortality-risk-in-men
"Elevation in the ratio of TG to HDL-c was the single most powerful predictor of extensive coronary heart disease among all the lipid variables examined."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664115/
A meta-analysis of 13 randomized controlled trials following overweight and obese participants for 1-2 years on either low-fat diets or very-low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets found that the ketogenic diet produced a small but significantly greater reduction in weight, triglycerides, and blood pressure, and a greater increase in HDL and LDL cholesterol compared with the low-fat diet at one year.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-weight/diet-reviews/ketogenic-diet/
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The Keto Kid,
Good job. That's awesome!
thanks man, been eating this diet for 5 months now and it's been nothing short of amazing, especially training wise, my recovery has been incredible. I cut out caffeine and coffee a few months back and that was the final piece to the puzzle, my sleep and digestion has been unbelievable. Seriously Vince Gironda was an absolute genius, I now I truly understand why the bodybuilders of the 70s were able to train twice a day 6 days a week, tons of beef, eggs, heavy cream. They all looked jacked and healthy, glowing skin, full heads of hair, no bloat, digestive issues. Definitely recommend all you guys to try this for a month, you'll never look back.
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I've been on keto/low carb since March 2021.
Triglycerides dropped way down, HDL went way up, VLDL way down, total cholesterol went up 50 points.
My latest bloodwork from physical last November 2021:
Total cholesterol - 250
Triglycerides - 46
HDL - 73
Cholesterol/HDL ratio 3.4
VLDL 9
LDL calculation 168
My doctor looked at the total cholesterol number and told me if this continues he would suggest I go on statins.
Must get a kickback from the Big Pharma rep.
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I've been on keto/low carb since March 2021.
Triglycerides dropped way down, HDL went way up, VLDL way down, total cholesterol went up 50 points.
My latest bloodwork from physical last November 2021:
Total cholesterol - 250
Triglycerides - 46
HDL - 73
Cholesterol/HDL ratio 3.4
VLDL 9
LDL calculation 168
My doctor looked at the total cholesterol number and told me if this continues he would suggest I go on statins.
Must get a kickback from the Big Pharma rep.
lol..do not go on statins, ditch all plants from you're diet, eat beef, butter, eggs, and bacon you'll feel amazing. Don't worry about cholesterol, you want high cholesterol honestly. Most people that die of heart attacks die with normal to low levels of cholesterol. Stay away from sugar, high fat, high protein is the way.
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I've been on keto/low carb since March 2021.
Triglycerides dropped way down, HDL went way up, VLDL way down, total cholesterol went up 50 points.
My latest bloodwork from physical last November 2021:
Total cholesterol - 250
Triglycerides - 46
HDL - 73
Cholesterol/HDL ratio 3.4
VLDL 9
LDL calculation 168
My doctor looked at the total cholesterol number and told me if this continues he would suggest I go on statins.
Must get a kickback from the Big Pharma rep.
That is great. Your Triglycerides/HDL ratio is 0.6, even better than mine. That indicates you are not at risk of heart disease.
My LDL went up too, and my doctor at the time told me the same thing about statins. So I found a new, low carb friendly, mainstream doctor who has seen my LDL continue to go up and has said nothing about it and nothing about statins. He looks at Triglycerides, HDL, blood pressure, etc. He's not concerned by high LDL.
This is how I found my new doctor:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/doctors
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Congratulating each other over good bloodwork.
Sir kwon please ungay this thread.
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She gets no congratulations.
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Congratulating each other over good bloodwork.
Sir kwon please ungay this thread.
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That is great. Your Triglycerides/HDL ratio is 0.6, even better than mine. That indicates you are not at risk of heart disease.
My LDL went up too, and my doctor at the time told me the same thing about statins. So I found a new, low carb friendly, mainstream doctor who has seen my LDL continue to go up and has said nothing about it and nothing about statins. He looks at Triglycerides, HDL, blood pressure, etc. He's not concerned by high LDL.
This is how I found my new doctor:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/doctors
Thanks! There's one doctor not too far from me. I'll check him out.
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Behavioral Characteristics and Self-Reported Health Status among 2029 Adults Consuming a “Carnivore Diet”
Published: 02 November 2021
Results
A total of 2029 respondents (median age: 44 y, 67% male) reported consuming a carnivore diet for 14 mo (IQR: 9–20 mo), motivated primarily by health reasons (93%). Red meat consumption was reported as daily or more often by 85%. Under 10% reported consuming vegetables, fruits, or grains more often than monthly, and 37% denied vitamin supplement use. Prevalence of adverse symptoms was low (<1% to 5.5%). Symptoms included gastrointestinal (3.1%–5.5%), muscular (0.3%–4.0%), and dermatologic (0.1%–1.9%). Participants reported high levels of satisfaction and improvements in overall health (95%), well-being (66%–91%), various medical conditions (48%–98%), and median [IQR] BMI (in kg/m2) (from 27.2 [23.5–31.9] to 24.3 [22.1–27.0]). Among a subset reporting current lipids, LDL-cholesterol was markedly elevated (172 mg/dL), whereas HDL-cholesterol (68 mg/dL) and triglycerides (68 mg/dL) were optimal. Participants with diabetes reported benefits including reductions in median [IQR] BMI (4.3 [1.4–7.2]), glycated hemoglobin (0.4% [0%–1.7%]), and diabetes medication use (84%–100%).
Conclusions
Contrary to common expectations, adults consuming a carnivore diet experienced few adverse effects and instead reported health benefits and high satisfaction. Cardiovascular disease risk factors were variably affected. The generalizability of these findings and the long-term effects of this dietary pattern require further study.
https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/5/12/nzab133/6415894
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I can't do the carnivore diet but for some reason I do enjoy watching this chicks videos
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I can't do the carnivore diet but for some reason I do enjoy watching this chicks videos
She claims her breasts have grown since starting a carnivore diet, which is believable if she was too skinny and malnourished before.
This other girl grew a round butt after starting a carnivore diet:
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Yikes! ^
Eat meat and cobbler.
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Why would anyone get that skinny?
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Why would anyone get that skinny?
Ask Sev,,,
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Can you booze it up on the Keto/Carnivore Diet?
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Can you booze it up on the Keto/Carnivore Diet?
Vodka / gin types only, I think.
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Can you booze it up on the Keto/Carnivore Diet?
You sound like a newbie asking for advice in the gym ;D
You spend 20 minutes talking to them giving them advice and then they come out with a zinger question at the end that makes you feel like you just wasted your time
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She claims her breasts have grown since starting a carnivore diet, which is believable if she was too skinny and malnourished before.
This other girl grew a round butt after starting a carnivore diet:
The asian chick in the video used to be vegan so it's 100% certain she was malnourished .
In her videos she talks about needing to eat a lot of fat and she is essentially on a classic ketogenic diet (70% + calories from fat and zero carbs)
I like steak but I don't want to eat 2 pounds of it every day. I can't even tolerate eating more than about 6-8 ounces at one meal.
I don't know of any bodybuilders (natural or enhanced) who use this diet. I don't believe the BS about Nubret. He might have gorged at night but I'm not buying the 5lbs of horsemeat at one meal and he was also known to eat rice and beans and he supposedly like french pastries too.
I don't know many bodybuilders (especially natural ones) who follow the carnivore style diet.
There probably is someone (that Trystin Lee kid comes too mind and Mark Bell)
BTW - this is another video she made with her boyfriend (who wants to gain muscle) and he couldn't follow the diet.
This video is kind of hilarious for because of the concerned look in her eyes as he's explaining why he couldn't stay on the diet. He may no longer be carnivore but at least he still gets to enjoy the benefit of the carnivore diet via his girlfriend new big boobs.
Bottom line is that if it works for you that's great but it's definitely not ideal for everyone (for a variety of reasons)
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Vodka / gin types only, I think.
and tequila
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Ask Sev,,,
;D
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The asian chick in the video used to be vegan so it's 100% certain she was malnourished .
In her videos she talks about needing to eat a lot of fat and she is essentially on a classic ketogenic diet (70% + calories from fat and zero carbs)
I like steak but I don't want to eat 2 pounds of it every day. I can't even tolerate eating more than about 6-8 ounces at one meal.
I don't know of any bodybuilders (natural or enhanced) who use this diet. I don't believe the BS about Nubret. He might have gorged at night but I'm not buying the 5lbs of horsemeat at one meal and he was also known to eat rice and beans and he supposedly like french pastries too.
I don't know many bodybuilders (especially natural ones) who follow the carnivore style diet.
There probably is someone (that Trystin Lee kid comes too mind and Mark Bell)
BTW - this is another video she made with her boyfriend (who wants to gain muscle) and he couldn't follow the diet.
This video is kind of hilarious for because of the concerned look in her eyes as he's explaining why he couldn't stay on the diet. He may no longer be carnivore but at least he still gets to enjoy the benefit of the carnivore diet via his girlfriend new big boobs.
Bottom line is that if it works for you that's great but it's definitely not ideal for everyone (for a variety of reasons)
2 pounds of beef is nothing, women on this diet eat more than that. You want to see the quality of your life sky rocket? Go carnivore, increased recovery, strength gains, deeper sleep, steady energy, no bloat, no joint pain, muscle fullness, clear glowing skin. Raw milk, beef, eggs is all you need, beef liver a few times a week, and if you want to super charge it even more, fast 2-3 days a week.
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2 pounds of beef is nothing, women on this diet eat more than that. You want to see the quality of your life sky rocket? Go carnivore, increased recovery, strength gains, deeper sleep, steady energy, no bloat, no joint pain, muscle fullness, clear glowing skin. Raw milk, beef, eggs is all you need, beef liver a few times a week, and if you want to super charge it even more, fast 2-3 days a week.
tried it but didn't like it
it's not for everyone
if it works for you that's great
for some people it seems to be their new religion (not saying you)
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tried it but didn't like it
it's not for everyone
if it works for you that's great
for some people it seems to be their new religion (not saying you)
sorry to hear that man, once I added that raw milk pre and post workout it was an absolute game changer. I totally understand now how these people who grow up on farms eating their own chicken eggs, tons of fresh raw milk, butter, bacon, beef. Big robust strong people, makes complete sense to me now.
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Dominic D'Agostino, Ph.D.
Research Scientist, Inst. Human and Machine Cognition
Associate Professor, College of Medicine Molecular Pharmacology & Physiology
"The main focus of his lab over the last 10 years has been understanding the anticonvulsant and neuroprotective mechanism of the ketogenic diet and ketone metabolite supplementation."
https://ketonutrition.org/about/
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Dom has also said that he thinks fruit is OK in moderation and says he eats blueberries, usually at night
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Dom has also said that he thinks fruit is OK in moderation and says he eats blueberries, usually at night
just eat enough protein that it gets converted in to glucose via gluconeogenesis and add in two glasses of raw milk pre and post workout, you'll have all the glucose you need to keep the muscles full, balanced electrolytes and won't have any issues that come with fructose.
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Ask Sev,,,
5'11 146lbs is beastly.
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What is the Carnivore Diet position on that orange clay?
i consumed about a cup and kinda let it absorb and break down in my mouth. first time ive ever eaten it. it tasted like i was eating pure fat, kinda like shortening.
i spit very little out that didnt get absorbed and that was only because it was sand or rock. suprisingly the orange clay was easily dissolved in my mouth. gonna do this atleast once a day everyday just to see what happens. i was suprised at how fatty it tasted like pure fat with no salt or sweetness then stared at the yellow moon with hornes pointed towards the left
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Do people drink pasteurised dairy on carnivore?
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Do people drink pasteurised dairy on carnivore?
If you tolerate dairy go for the raw version.
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I‘m closing in on the 72nd hour of my fast. If I can sleep tonight I will extend it to another 24hrs. Love the flat belly
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I like steak but I don't want to eat 2 pounds of it every day. I can't even tolerate eating more than about 6-8 ounces at one meal.
You don't have to eat 2 pounds of beef every day. You eat when you are hungry, and eat until you are full. That means the amount you eat may vary daily depending on your individual needs.
You can also eat other meats, eggs and low fat dairy if these don't bother you. Eggs and casein in dairy can be inflammatory to some people. I just ate two big grilled Salmon filets brushed in butter and seasoned with Old Bay seasoning, no sides.
I don't know of any bodybuilders (natural or enhanced) who use this diet. I don't believe the BS about Nubret. He might have gorged at night but I'm not buying the 5lbs of horsemeat at one meal and he was also known to eat rice and beans and he supposedly like french pastries too.
I don't know many bodybuilders (especially natural ones) who follow the carnivore style diet.
There probably is someone (that Trystin Lee kid comes too mind and Mark Bell)
If by bodybuilders you mean guys who compete, then I don't know any either. If you mean guys who lift weights in order to gain as much muscle mass as possible, then I know plenty, myself included. I competed in the past and did very well, but I wasn't on a low carb diet back then.
Some bodybuilders who go on a ketogenic/carnivore diet complain about a lack of energy when lifting, but that is due to low sodium and a lack of adaptation. If you get 1g sodium before your workout to increase blood volume and stick with this diet long enough, you'll adapt over a period of weeks or months depending on the individual and you'll feel like you have more energy than ever. You are now burning body fat for energy instead of glucose, so energy feels like it's limitless.
I don't believe a diet like this is ideal for building Mr. Olympia level of muscle mass because on this diet Insulin levels stay relatively low, and my understanding is that Insulin levels must be maximized in order to build that level of muscle mass. That's not necessarily ideal for optimal health, but it is probably necessary for building huge muscles.
Bottom line is that if it works for you that's great but it's definitely not ideal for everyone (for a variety of reasons)
Agreed. Most people who start this diet and stick with it for decades or for life have one or more health conditions reversed by this life style and that keeps them strongly motivated. Otherwise I don't believe they'd do it.
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Dom has also said that he thinks fruit is OK in moderation and says he eats blueberries, usually at night
Right. He eats some vegetables too. Dom's diet is more of a very meat heavy, ketogenic diet than a carnivore diet.
In his opinion, a very meat heavy ketogenic diet long term is optimal for good health.
He believes the vegan diet is not optimal long term because it will likely lead to nutrient deficiencies. He believes the carnivore diet too is not optimal long term because it's "too nutrient dense" and it may lead to vitamin and mineral toxicity, especially for those who consume organ meats and men on hormone replacement therapy.
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You don't have to eat 2 pounds of beef every day. You eat when you are hungry, and eat until you are full. That means the amount you eat may vary daily depending on your individual needs.
You can also eat other meats, eggs and low fat dairy if these don't bother you. Eggs and casein in dairy can be inflammatory to some people. I just ate two big grilled Salmon filets brushed in butter and seasoned with Old Bay seasoning, no sides.
If by bodybuilders you mean guys who compete, then I don't know any either. If you mean guys who lift weights in order to gain as much muscle mass as possible, then I know plenty, myself included. I competed in the past and did very well, but I wasn't on a low carb diet back then.
Some bodybuilders who go on a ketogenic/carnivore diet complain about a lack of energy when lifting, but that is due to low sodium and a lack of adaptation. If you get 1g sodium before your workout to increase blood volume and stick with this diet long enough, you'll adapt over a period of weeks or months depending on the individual and you'll feel like you have more energy than ever. You are now burning body fat for energy instead of glucose, so energy feels like it's limitless.
I don't believe a diet like this is ideal for building Mr. Olympia level of muscle mass because on this diet Insulin levels stay relatively low, and my understanding is that Insulin levels must be maximized in order to build that level of muscle mass. That's not necessarily ideal for optimal health, but it is probably necessary for building huge muscles.
Agreed. Most people who start this diet and stick with it for decades or for life have one or more health conditions reversed by this life style and that keeps them strongly motivated. Otherwise I don't believe they'd do it.
yes, I mean guy who compete or guys who are trying to gain muscle. Since this diet is low to zero carb it's also appetite suppressing which makes it hard to gain weight/muscle.
do you have any actual proof (more than anecdotal) or is that just a gut feeling
people tend to stick with what works for them and for some people this "works" and for others it doesn't
just like most things in life
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Do people drink pasteurised dairy on carnivore?
Most people on a carnivore diet don't drink milk at all because it has too many carbs. Many of the benefits of a carnivore diet are due to getting into and staying in a state of ketosis.
In order to do that, most people have to consume less than 20g carbs per day. Two glasses of milk, raw or not, have 24g of carbs.
Many people are lactose intolerant.
Very low carb cheese, sour cream, heavy whipping cream, cream cheese, and butter in small daily amounts are okay on a carnivore diet for some people because these are practically lactose free and therefore very low carb or zero carb.
To many people, casein protein in dairy is inflammatory. So they eliminate dairy from their diet all together.
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do you have any actual proof (more than anecdotal) or is that just a gut feeling
Which part of everything I posted are you specifically asking about?
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Most people on a carnivore diet don't drink milk at all because it has too many carbs. Many of the benefits of a carnivore diet are due to getting into and staying in a state of ketosis.
In order to do that, most people have to consume less than 20g carbs per day. Two glasses of milk, raw or not, have 24g of carbs.
Many people are lactose intolerant.
Very low carb cheese, sour cream, heavy whipping cream, cream cheese, and butter in small daily amounts are okay on a carnivore diet for some people because these are practically lactose free and therefore very low carb or zero carb.
To many people, casein protein in dairy is inflammatory. So they eliminate dairy from their diet all together.
you also have to have very low protein to stay in ketosis, not ideal for a bodybuilder
anyone over 100gms protein will be lucky to be in ketosis
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I‘m closing in on the 72nd hour of my fast. If I can sleep tonight I will extend it to another 24hrs. Love the flat belly
Awesome man, how do you feel?
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you also have to have very low protein to stay in ketosis, not ideal for a bodybuilder
anyone over 100gms protein will be lucky to be in ketosis
Not quite true, if you eat 1 meal a day or even intermittent fast in an 18-6 time frame, you'll be back into ketosis likely within 10-12 hours.
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Not quite true, if you eat 1 meal a day or even intermittent fast in an 18-6 time frame, you'll be back into ketosis likely within 10-12 hours.
thats why I said "stay" in ketosis
As soon as you eat your body starts glugogenisis and hey presto no ketosis
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thats why I said "stay" in ketosis
As soon as you eat your body starts glugogenisis and hey presto no ketosis
Absolutely for athletes they should actually aim for gluconeogenesis, this will help with electrolyte balance and just getting good pumps in the gym. The only people they need to be in continuous ketosis are the ones with medical conditions.
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Absolutely for athletes they should actually aim for gluconeogenesis, this will help with electrolyte balance and just getting good pumps in the gym. The only people they need to be in continuous ketosis are the ones with medical conditions.
agreed
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Meat is king but we weren't made for eating only meat. Still better than flour and other fillers.
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Since this diet is low to zero carb it's also appetite suppressing which makes it hard to gain weight/muscle.
Not necessarily. Yes, this diet is very appetite suppressing. However, I haven't yet heard anyone on this diet complain about not being able to gain weight. The Asian girl you posted and the white girl I posted both gained a healthy amount of weight on this diet.
What some people, usually women, on this diet report is that they can't lose weight or that they actually gain weight when they are trying to lose it.
What they are told to do in order to stop gaining weight and start losing weight are the same things you could do to gain weight on this diet. They are told to not avoid fat in whole foods, but at the same time to not add more fat: Don't cook your fatty meats in butter, bacon grease, lard, beef tallow, etc. Don't melt butter or bacon grease on your steaks or burger patties before you eat them. Don't melt butter in your coffee, if you drink coffee.
Doing those things could actually add lots of calories from fat and very easily create a calorie surplus. As we all know, fat has more than twice the number of calories per gram than protein and carbs.
Another thing you can do to gain weight on this diet is to finish your meat heavy meals by snacking on pork rinds, peperoni slices, boiled eggs, very low carb cheese, and/or drinking heavy whipping cream with a drop of vanilla extract and your favorite artificial sweetener.
you also have to have very low protein to stay in ketosis, not ideal for a bodybuilder
anyone over 100gms protein will be lucky to be in ketosis
joswift brought up a good point about protein on this diet, although I disagree with his 100g limit. Another reason why a carnivore diet is not ideal for a Mr. Olympia level bodybuilder is because eating too much protein will raise insulin levels, nowhere nearly as much as carbs, and somewhat suppress ketone production. But this is not an issue unless you want to stay in ketosis 24/7.
Many carnivores I know consume 1g protein per pound of "desired" body weight and they seem to be doing fine gaining and maintaining muscle mass while staying in ketosis.
In theory, consuming very little to no carbs and very little to no plant-based foods allows your body to absorb animal protein much more efficiently, so you may not need nearly as much protein on this diet as others do.
Within a food source, other components alter the overall digestibility of the proteins. Some plant foods contain anti-nutritional factors that decrease protein digestibility. Legumes, cereals, potatoes and tomatoes contain inhibitors that reduce protein digestibility by blocking trypsin, pepsin and other gut proteases (Savelkoul et al., 1992; Liener, 1994; Friedman and Brandon, 2001). Cereal grains and legume seeds contain tannins (polyphenols) that bind strongly to dietary proteins and digestive enzymes, thus inhibiting protein digestion (Jansman, 1993; Jansman et al., 1994). Nuts, seeds and grains contain phytic acid (Lott et al., 2002), which chelates minerals such as calcium and zinc. As these minerals are necessary cofactors for digestive enzymes (e.g., alkaline phosphatase, carboxypeptidases and aminopeptidases), phytic acid in foods reduces overall protein digestibility (Ryden and Selvendran, 1993). Many legumes and alliums contain saponins, which form part of the plant’s defense system (Francis et al., 2002). These saponins reduce protein digestibility by forming saponin-protein complexes (Potter et al., 1993). Likewise, many plant proteins are surrounded by complex carbohydrates (non-starch polysaccharides or fiber)—often as cell wall components—that can impede enzyme access to the proteins (Duodu et al., 2003). The abundance of anti-nutritional factors and complex carbohydrates in plant protein sources likely explains their overall lower digestibility than that of typical animal proteins.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927412/
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Meat is king but we weren't made for eating only meat. Still better than flour and other fillers.
We weren't made for eating the majority of modern "foods" people eat today.
https://tubitv.com/movies/518462/the-perfect-human-diet
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joswift brought up a good point about protein on this diet, although I disagree with his 100g limit. Another reason why a carnivore diet is not ideal for a Mr. Olympia level bodybuilder is because eating too much protein will raise insulin levels, nowhere nearly as much as carbs, and somewhat suppress ketone production. But this is not an issue unless you want to stay in ketosis 24/7.
Many carnivores I know consume 1g protein per pound of "desired" body weight and they seem to be doing fine gaining and maintaining muscle mass while staying in ketosis.
In theory, consuming very little to no carbs and very little to no plant-based foods allows your body to absorb animal protein much more efficiently, so you may not need nearly as much protein on this diet as other do.
Within a food source, other components alter the overall digestibility of the proteins. Some plant foods contain anti-nutritional factors that decrease protein digestibility. Legumes, cereals, potatoes and tomatoes contain inhibitors that reduce protein digestibility by blocking trypsin, pepsin and other gut proteases (Savelkoul et al., 1992; Liener, 1994; Friedman and Brandon, 2001). Cereal grains and legume seeds contain tannins (polyphenols) that bind strongly to dietary proteins and digestive enzymes, thus inhibiting protein digestion (Jansman, 1993; Jansman et al., 1994). Nuts, seeds and grains contain phytic acid (Lott et al., 2002), which chelates minerals such as calcium and zinc. As these minerals are necessary cofactors for digestive enzymes (e.g., alkaline phosphatase, carboxypeptidases and aminopeptidases), phytic acid in foods reduces overall protein digestibility (Ryden and Selvendran, 1993). Many legumes and alliums contain saponins, which form part of the plant’s defense system (Francis et al., 2002). These saponins reduce protein digestibility by forming saponin-protein complexes (Potter et al., 1993). Likewise, many plant proteins are surrounded by complex carbohydrates (non-starch polysaccharides or fiber)—often as cell wall components—that can impede enzyme access to the proteins (Duodu et al., 2003). The abundance of anti-nutritional factors and complex carbohydrates in plant protein sources likely explains their overall lower digestibility than that of typical animal proteins.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927412/
Good info, thanks..
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Good info, thanks..
You are welcome!
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Why would anyone get that skinny?
Long term veganism, autoimmune disorders, eating disorders, mental illness.
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Anyone try this? I put on some winter weight and need to cut a little. I just don’t have the discipline to count calories. So, I’m considering the carnivore diet. It seems simple enough. Thoughts?
Yes I am carnivore on and off (mostly on) for a few years, and the benefits to my health have been incredible.
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Long term veganism, autoimmune disorders, eating disorders, mental illness.
Bullshit..veganism doesn't make you skinny too few callories make you skinny.
+ mental illness and eating disorders has nothing to do with veganism. (long term or short term makes no difference)
Lame Propaganda..
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+ mental illness has zero to do with veganism. (long term or short term makes no difference)
I disagree. Carnivore diet has been shown to clinically reverse a variety of mental illnesses including Bi-Polar and Schizophrenia.. What is the connection here? The removal of VEGETABLES and/or CARBS. Possibly the INCREASE in saturated fats or other meat nutrients also has something to do with it.
Are veggies and carbs ALWAYS harmful? I'm not saying that...
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Awesome man, how do you feel?
First 2 days was gwtting hard close to evening hours, 3rd day was somewhat easier, the 4th day i wasn‘t even hungry till around 18:00. at 19:00 i ate my first meal. I would have continued for at least a day but had some unrelated personal stressful situation and then decided to quit my fast. I made it to 91 hours all together. Will do it again in a month. Will opt for 5-7 days. Lost some fat around the waist and felt lighter overall. But as i said, I would love to try it for at least 5-7 days.
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Long term veganism, autoimmune disorders, eating disorders, mental illness.
It could be correlation as opposed to causation. Everyone I know who is Vegan was already crazy to start with.
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It could be correlation as opposed to causation. Everyone I know who is Vegan was already crazy to start with.
yes i agree - i have noticed this phenomenon - people with mental health issues are drawn to veganism - also impressionable young women with body image issues
sort of similar to the types that are drawn to drug assisted bodybuilding if I am completely honest
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Libtards preaching the vegan way...
Leo DiCaprio learns it's not his private jet and yacht that's causing climate change but people eating hamburgers.
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Bullshit..veganism doesn't make you skinny too few callories make you skinny.
+ mental illness and eating disorders has nothing to do with veganism. (long term or short term makes no difference)
Lame Propaganda..
It could be correlation as opposed to causation. Everyone I know who is Vegan was already crazy to start with.
I don't know. I'm simply repeating what former vegans have said, which isn't unreasonable given the fact that long term vegan diets lead to nutrition deficiencies, which affect them physically and mentally. Vegan doctors stress the importance of taking supplements on a vegan diet and avoiding processed vegan foods, advice mostly ignored by many vegans.
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Guy at work went vegan, him and his wife, he lost his sex drive and was as weak as a kitten, his doctor told him he would die if he carried on with it
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Prominent vegan doctors:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Rwm9DlTHCgM/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERq6dJGUcAAF-v0.jpg)
(https://images.happycow.net/venues/1024/14/30/hcmp143049_538100.jpeg)
How can their neck support their head?
"Compared with omnivores, vegetarians and vegans had lower BMD at the femoral neck and lumbar spine and vegans also had higher fracture rates.
Vegetarian and vegan diets should be planned to avoid negative consequences on bone health."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30376075/
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Libtards preaching the vegan way...
Leo DiCaprio learns it's not his private jet and yacht that's causing climate change but people eating hamburgers.
All propaganda to distract from the real impact of fossil fuels on the environment.
The truth:
Free on Tubi: https://tubitv.com/movies/611642/sacred-cow
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Prominent vegan doctors:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Rwm9DlTHCgM/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERq6dJGUcAAF-v0.jpg)
(https://images.happycow.net/venues/1024/14/30/hcmp143049_538100.jpeg)
How can their neck support their head?
"Compared with omnivores, vegetarians and vegans had lower BMD at the femoral neck and lumbar spine and vegans also had higher fracture rates.
Vegetarian and vegan diets should be planned to avoid negative consequences on bone health."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30376075/
Prominent carnivore doctors:
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5e8294404ec49e30f28a5ccb/1627066030251-2GZGR042BI97EG6SGIGL/download.jpeg)
(https://external-preview.redd.it/VktvKKG1bfLwiFT6_yLa1cJmIE0Oh0GOvz96pTfbubM.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9df3509b9dba83fc28a4db362de4300256fc4115)
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677744.0;attach=1355219;image)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EILzAzUWwAAmGej.jpg)
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^^ They look like shit.
Here Vegan Bodybuilders:
(https://356815-1107966-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Nimai-Delgado-Profile-768x768.jpg)
(https://356815-1107966-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Jehina-Malik-02.jpg)
(https://356815-1107966-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Karl-Bruder-01-768x768.jpg)
(https://356815-1107966-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Torre-Washington-Fruit_mini-768x924.jpg)
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^^ They look like shit.
No, they look great and they've been eating this way for many years.
Here Vegan Bodybuilders:
(https://356815-1107966-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Nimai-Delgado-Profile-768x768.jpg)
(https://356815-1107966-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Jehina-Malik-02.jpg)
(https://356815-1107966-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Karl-Bruder-01-768x768.jpg)
(https://356815-1107966-1-raikfcquaxqncofqfm.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Torre-Washington-Fruit_mini-768x924.jpg)
They look great too, except for the purple skin guy. They look very "natural" too. Good for them.
Hopefully they won't develop nutrient deficiencies overtime, and after they get off the sauce.
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No, they look great and they've been eating this way for many years.
They look great, except for the purple skin guy. They look very "natural" too. Good for them.
Hopefully they won't develop nutrient deficiencies overtime, and after they get off the sauce.
take away the gear and they will look like the vegan doctors
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Low-carbohydrate and ketogenic diets: a scoping review of neurological and inflammatory outcomes in human studies and their relevance to chronic pain
2022 Apr 19
"The overall results suggest a favourable outcome on the nervous system and inflammatory biomarkers from a reduction in dietary carbohydrates. Both nervous system sensitisation and inflammation occur in chronic pain and the results from this review indicate it may be improved by low-carbohydrate nutritional therapy."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35438071/
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^^ They look like shit.
Here Vegan Bodybuilders:
Those carnivore doctors (one in his 50's) aren't on steroids. Your vegan examples here are.
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I don't know of any bodybuilders (natural or enhanced) who use this diet. I don't believe the BS about Nubret. He might have gorged at night but I'm not buying the 5lbs of horsemeat at one meal and he was also known to eat rice and beans and he supposedly like french pastries too.
Serge Nubret was actually posting on ironage shortly vefore his death. He talked about alot of his training and diet. Someone asked him about the horsemeat and if I remember correctly Serge laughed and said that he never ate horsemeat. He commented a few times about some of the magazine articles just made shit up about him.
In fact there was a picture of him in one of Arnolds books doing ab twists holding a broomstick across his shoulders and Someone asked if that was how he developed his abs- because thats what was implied in the book- he said that was made up too. He said that was a waste of time and a useless exercise. He said he was just stretching out when the picture was taken.
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https://www.mamamia.com.au/mikhaila-peterson-life/
Mikhaila Peterson lives on a diet of beef, salt and water. She claims the 'Lion Diet' cured her of several illnesses and conditions and with 247,000 followers on Instagram the 28-year-old is a popular Canadian blogger, influencer, Youtuber and podcaster who makes a living spruiking her unusual lifestyle.
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Prominent vegan doctors:
(https://images.happycow.net/venues/1024/14/30/hcmp143049_538100.jpeg)
Very Alpha... ...
And judging by the look on that poor dog's face, that 'doctor' has just pulled that finger out of its arse :-\
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Very Alpha... ...
And judging by the look on that poor dog's face, that 'doctor' has just pulled that finger out of its arse :-\
I fear that poor pooch got fucked.
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Veganism is an agenda pushed by the elites to make men weak and infertile. A society full of weak men is easier to control. When you see actors promoting stuff, stay away from it. Those people are paid to act 24/7. Fvck vegans and their soy latte.
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Veganism is an agenda pushed by the elites to make men weak and infertile. A society full of weak men is easier to control. When you see actors promoting stuff, stay away from it. Those people are paid to act 24/7. Fvck vegans and their soy latte.
This^
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Serge Nubret was actually posting on ironage shortly vefore his death. He talked about alot of his training and diet. Someone asked him about the horsemeat and if I remember correctly Serge laughed and said that he never ate horsemeat. He commented a few times about some of the magazine articles just made shit up about him.
In fact there was a picture of him in one of Arnolds books doing ab twists holding a broomstick across his shoulders and Someone asked if that was how he developed his abs- because thats what was implied in the book- he said that was made up too. He said that was a waste of time and a useless exercise. He said he was just stretching out when the picture was taken.
He ate horse meat, according to Mr. Universe Ahmet Enunlu, back in his Wabba competition days, Nubret encouraged him to try and said he liked the taste too.
RecalIing Enunlu's positive comments I ate once, it had a sour flavour, I ate it all and poisoned, it probably was spoiled :'(
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He ate horse meat, according to Mr. Universe Ahmet Enunlu, back in his Wabba competition days, Nubret encouraged him to try and said he liked the taste too.
RecalIing Enunlu's positive comments I ate once, it had a sour flavour, I ate it all and poisoned, it probably was spoiled :'(
Horse meat isn't an unusual thing to eat in France. It could easily be true.
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Excellent video. Thanks for sharing!
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We weren't made for eating the majority of modern "foods" people eat today.
https://tubitv.com/movies/518462/the-perfect-human-diet
I avoid "modern food" like the plague.
A good diet is also pretty pricey.
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I avoid "modern food" like the plague.
A good diet is also pretty pricey.
Good for you. Poor people can still eat sardines, eggs, fatty ground beef, fast food 100% beef patties, canned wild caught salmon, and still do better than most westerners on a standard diet.
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Prominent carnivore doctors:
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5e8294404ec49e30f28a5ccb/1627066030251-2GZGR042BI97EG6SGIGL/download.jpeg)
the "carnivore md" eats fruit, honey and raw dairy
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the "carnivore md" eats fruit, honey and raw dairy
Yes, he does now. For a while he ate only meat.
Different people define the carnivore diet differently. Many define it as eating only animal products. Honey and raw dairy are animal products.
By that definition, those eating fruit, especially in large quantities, are not on a carnivore diet. Dr. Saladino is therefore no longer on a carnivore diet by this definition.
Others define the carnivore diet as eating only meat (carne). So anyone eating eggs, dairy, honey, and even plant-based seasonings are not on a carnivore diet by this definition.
Yet others define the carnivore diet as eating 90% meat, even when eating small quantities of low carb fruits and non-starchy vegetables.
I say eat whatever works for you. A very meat heavy keto diet has worked very well for me the past two and a half years.
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Yes, he does now. For a while he ate only meat.
Different people define the carnivore diet differently. Many define it as eating only animal products. Honey and raw dairy are animal products.
By that definition, those eating fruit, especially in large quantities, are not on a carnivore diet. Dr. Saladino is therefore no longer on a carnivore diet by this definition.
Others define the carnivore diet as eating only meat (carne). So anyone eating eggs, dairy, honey, and even plant-based seasonings are not on a carnivore diet by this definition.
Yet others define the carnivore diet as eating 90% meat, even when eating small quantities of low carb fruits and non-starchy vegetables.
I say eat whatever works for you. A very meat heavy keto diet has worked very well for me the past two and a half years.
there appears to be lots of different sects of the carnivore "religion"
I guess people can just pick they one that the find most comfortable just like they do with all other religions
BTW - Carnivore is just keto
Another Keto guy recently dropped keto mostly because he just missed eating his favorite foods
He also admits that he was 18 months into keto before he reached his prior anaerobic capacity which is probably why so few bodybuilders/powerlifters do it. Carbs are a benefit to most people. The dose makes the poison, much like a lot of things in life
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Calling these diets "religion" is on point.
People get too extreme in these things. All or nothing.
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there appears to be lots of different sects of the carnivore "religion"
I guess people can just pick they one that the find most comfortable just like they do with all other religions
Agreed.
BTW - Carnivore is just keto
It can be, but not necessarily. If you consume enough carbs from honey and milk, and/or enough protein, you may not get into or stay in ketosis.
Another Keto guy recently dropped keto mostly because he just missed eating his favorite foods
He also admits that he was 18 months into keto before he reached his prior anaerobic capacity which is probably why so few bodybuilders/powerlifters do it. Carbs are a benefit to most people. The dose makes the poison, much like a lot of things in life
There was a time when it was believed impossible to survive without dietary carbs. That was incorrect. Then there was a time when it was believed impossible to be an athlete in ketosis. That too was incorrect. We are all still learning. One day we may have a successful pro bodybuilder in ketosis.
Carbs are beneficial to most people, just as ketosis is beneficial to most people. It all depends on the individual needs and goals at any point in their life.
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Eat a balanced diet and go to bed hungry. You'll lose weight without creating dietary imbalances or counting calories.
A "balanced" diet is exactly what causes hunger. If it was satiating people wouldn't need 3 meals + snacks every day. A carnivorous diet is far more conducive to OMAD and other healthy time-limited diets. This idea of "balance" is pernicious anyway; as though there is any scientific basis for people needing a carbohydrate intake that is only possible with modern food processing and shipping. Real balance means a balance of animal amino acids, a balance of omega 3 to omega 6 only possible via animal fats, a balance of minerals only possible without plant anti-nutrients.
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Agreed.
It can be, but not necessarily. If you consume enough carbs from honey and milk, and/or enough protein, you may not get into or stay in ketosis.
There was a time when it was believed impossible to survive without dietary carbs. That was incorrect. Then there was a time when it was believed impossible to be an athlete in ketosis. That too was incorrect. We are all still learning. One day we may have a successful pro bodybuilder in ketosis.
Carbs are beneficial to most people, just as ketosis is beneficial to most people. It all depends on the individual needs and goals at any point in their life.
Sure, if you're a member of the honey and milk sect of the carnivore religion
might as well through some fruit in there while you're at it
of course if you're eating honey, milk and fruit then you're neither carnivore or keto
BTW - that Carnivore MD dude (who eats fruit and dairy) also seems to eat raw testicle and raw organs
Why not just eat some sashimi
That's the sect of carnivore that I belong to but I usually only go to "church on Sundays and I'm a carb eating sinner the rest of the day and all the rest of the week
I buy the fish at a Japanese store that also supplies many of the local sushi joints
The quality is as good (often better) than I can get in most restaurants and a much lower overall price. I can easily drop $75 dollar on sashimi at a restaurant and I can get more food for about 1/3 the price if I buy it and cut it up myself. Granted my knife skills can't match a sushi chef but it tastes the same and that's all that matters
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Sure, if you're a member of the honey and milk sect of the carnivore religion
might as well through some fruit in there while you're at it
of course if you're eating honey, milk and fruit then you're neither carnivore or keto
BTW - that Carnivore MD dude (who eats fruit and dairy) also seems to eat raw testicle and raw organs
Why not just eat some sashimi
That's the sect of carnivore that I belong to but I usually only go to "church on Sundays and I'm a carb eating sinner the rest of the day and all the rest of the week
I buy the fish at a Japanese store that also supplies many of the local sushi joints
The quality is as good (often better) than I can get in most restaurants and a much lower overall price. I can easily drop $75 dollar on sashimi at a restaurant and I can get more food for about 1/3 the price if I buy it and cut it up myself. Granted my knife skills can't match a sushi chef but it tastes the same and that's all that matters
I watched a few of his videos and he sounds most enthusiastic when he's talking about his love for testicles.
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Sure, if you're a member of the honey and milk sect of the carnivore religion
might as well through some fruit in there while you're at it
of course if you're eating honey, milk and fruit then you're neither carnivore or keto
BTW - that Carnivore MD dude (who eats fruit and dairy) also seems to eat raw testicle and raw organs
Why not just eat some sashimi
That's the sect of carnivore that I belong to but I usually only go to "church on Sundays and I'm a carb eating sinner the rest of the day and all the rest of the week
I buy the fish at a Japanese store that also supplies many of the local sushi joints
The quality is as good (often better) than I can get in most restaurants and a much lower overall price. I can easily drop $75 dollar on sashimi at a restaurant and I can get more food for about 1/3 the price if I buy it and cut it up myself. Granted my knife skills can't match a sushi chef but it tastes the same and that's all that matters
I eat nothing but, eggs, beef, raw dairy, beef liver. I eat enough protein 1.5-1.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight, enough to induce gluconeogenesis (on purpose) to maintain electrolyte balance, and usually within 8-10 hours post feeding I'm right back in ketosis.
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I eat nothing but, eggs, beef, raw dairy, beef liver. I eat enough protein 1.5-1.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight, enough to induce gluconeogenesis (on purpose) to maintain electrolyte balance, and usually within 8-10 hours post feeding I'm right back in ketosis.
sounds boring but if you like it that's all that matters
since you're intentionally overeating protein to induce gluconeogenesis why not just eat some carbs?
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sounds boring but if you like it that's all that matters
since you're intentionally overeating protein to induce gluconeogenesis why not just eat some carbs?
I want nothing to do with plants my friend, I've never felt better, I found a formula and I'm sticking with it, see guys like Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr. Anthony Chaffee doing what they do in mid 40s, mid 50s. My performance, energy, strength, digestion, recovery, skin, hair, etc.. I'm good. Once a week I'll throw in a cheat day where I add a pack of bacon with my eggs and substitute my beef meals with salmon, but I'm good. Hope more Getbiggers give this diet a shot for a month, they won't regret it.
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I don't think I've posted in this thread (and I'm not going to go back and look) but if you have to keep following fad diets to lost weight/fat you have absolutely no idea of what you're doing.
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I don't think I've posted in this thread (and I'm not going to go back and look) but if you have to keep following fad diets to lost weight/fat you have absolutely no idea of what you're doing.
It has nothing to do with fat loss for me, it's more about longevity health, fitness, bio-hacking. I've been lean/shredded all my life, but I will say this diet literally turned back the hands of time for me, I feel reborn, I literally feel like I did when I was in college, full of energy, hop out of bed every morning ready to go, no joint pain, recovery off-the-charts, strength, pumps, digestion, skin is glowing, hair is thick and full. Like I said before the guys in the 70s had it right, just look at them, trained twice a day for hours at a time, all had great hair and skin (no one was bald on the Olympia stage), all on steak and eggs, granted they had a carb day, but they indeed had the formula way back then with Vince Gironda.
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Tbh carnivore diet is a longevity thing, for some reason we live longer on red meat daily and avoiding carbs
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Tbh carnivore diet is a longevity thing, for some reason we live longer on red meat daily and avoiding carbs
Carbs/sugar do nothing but age the fuck out of you and inflame your body. Check out Reverohealth.com and see the hundreds of success stories people healing themselves from rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune diseases, chronic digestive diseases, diabetes, etc.
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Carbs/sugar do nothing but age the fuck out of you and inflame your body. Check out Reverohealth.com and see the hundreds of success stories people healing themselves from rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune diseases, chronic digestive diseases, diabetes, etc.
I never said this diet couldn't be therapeutic for people with certain conditions
there is obviously evidence that it's very helpful for some people
just saying it's not for everyone at all times
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I don't think I've posted in this thread (and I'm not going to go back and look) but if you have to keep following fad diets to lost weight/fat you have absolutely no idea of what you're doing.
In that case the keto/carnivore diet is a very, very old fad.
I've been on this diet consistently for almost 3 years for health reasons, not to lose weight.
I've effortlessly lost over 25 lbs, energy and mental clarity are through the roof, digestion and bowel movements are better than ever. I resolved allergies, skin tags (a symptom of insulin resistance) and other skin conditions, chronic joint and back pain, non-alcoholic fatty liver, high blood pressure, and acid reflux. My triglycerides dropped and continue to improve, while my HDL increased and continues to improve. I have had only one mild cold since starting this way of eating.
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Sure, if you're a member of the honey and milk sect of the carnivore religion
You can still eat enough protein on a carnivore diet to suppress ketone production, although most carnivores I know focus only on eating the fattiest meat that they enjoy and can afford when hungry and without counting macros, and they seem to stay in ketosis and do really well.
of course if you're eating honey, milk and fruit then you're neither carnivore or keto
Not carnivore or keto by your definition. But that's not necessarily true. If you consume fatty meats plus 1 glass of milk and 1 teaspoon of honey daily, that's about 18g carbs daily. That should get you into and keep you in ketosis, and these are all animal products.
Likewise, if you eat 2 lbs fatty meats plus a handful of berries daily, that's 5g-12g carbs daily depending on the berry. That should get you into and keep you in ketosis, and because it's almost 100% meat-based many would call this a carnivore diet.
I personally don't consume any milk, honey, or fruit.
BTW - that Carnivore MD dude (who eats fruit and dairy) also seems to eat raw testicle and raw organs
Many people on the paleo, keto, and carnivore diets practice and preach eating "nose to tail", which I suppose would include testicles.
I personally don't believe eating organ meats is necessary. The people I know have been on a carnivore diet consistently for 10-20 years don't eat organ meats and they are doing great.
Apparently the Inuit didn't eat organ meats either and they did fine.
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Calling these diets "religion" is on point.
People get too extreme in these things. All or nothing.
Agreed, but this is true with many diets and many other things: vegans (whole foods vs processed), vegetarians vs vegans, bodybuilding pre-contest diets, weight training (high volume vs HIT), politics, sports, etc. Everything has two or more sides, and each side is subdivided into smaller tribes, and so on and so forth.
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Agreed, but this is true with many diets and many other things: vegans (whole foods vs processed), vegetarians vs vegans, bodybuilding pre-contest diets, weight training (high volume vs HIT), politics, sports, etc. Everything has two or more sides, and each side is subdivided into smaller tribes, and so on and so forth.
Absolutely.
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Americans are eating more beef than ever — despite vegan ‘trend’
https://nypost.com/2022/04/23/americans-eat-more-beef-than-ever-despite-vegan-trend/
Americans have renounced beef! Everyone’s eating plants! The vegan trend is supposedly so huge these days, we are in the midst of an identity crisis, The New York Times claimed recently. “When it comes to America’s legacy of Manifest Destiny, there’s perhaps no meal more symbolic than a bleeding steak. So who are we now that we’re consuming less red meat?” the paper of record blathered.
The only problem is that such claims are 100% baloney. Although US consumption of beef fell from about 80 pounds annually per capita in the 1970s and early ’80s to a low of 54 pounds in 2017, it’s steadily rebounded since then to 58.6 pounds in 2021.
Yes, we are eating more beef today than we did five years ago, despite plant-based “Impossible” meat and Beyond Burgers taking over American menus and even McDonald’s.
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Carbs/sugar do nothing but age the fuck out of you and inflame your body. Check out Reverohealth.com and see the hundreds of success stories people healing themselves from rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune diseases, chronic digestive diseases, diabetes, etc.
"Sugar is a super food" - Bhanky
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Americans are eating more beef than ever — despite vegan ‘trend’
https://nypost.com/2022/04/23/americans-eat-more-beef-than-ever-despite-vegan-trend/
Americans have renounced beef! Everyone’s eating plants! The vegan trend is supposedly so huge these days, we are in the midst of an identity crisis, The New York Times claimed recently. “When it comes to America’s legacy of Manifest Destiny, there’s perhaps no meal more symbolic than a bleeding steak. So who are we now that we’re consuming less red meat?” the paper of record blathered.
The only problem is that such claims are 100% baloney. Although US consumption of beef fell from about 80 pounds annually per capita in the 1970s and early ’80s to a low of 54 pounds in 2017, it’s steadily rebounded since then to 58.6 pounds in 2021.
Yes, we are eating more beef today than we did five years ago, despite plant-based “Impossible” meat and Beyond Burgers taking over American menus and even McDonald’s.
Good. Beef is a whole food. Plant-based meats are processed junk.
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Carbs/sugar do nothing but age the fuck out of you and inflame your body. Check out Reverohealth.com and see the hundreds of success stories people healing themselves from rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune diseases, chronic digestive diseases, diabetes, etc.
Hi Dr Baker.. or should I say Mr Baker now
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You can still eat enough protein on a carnivore diet to suppress ketone production, although most carnivores I know focus only on eating the fattiest meat that they enjoy and can afford when hungry and without counting macros, and they seem to stay in ketosis and do really well.
Not carnivore or keto by your definition. But that's not necessarily true. If you consume fatty meats plus 1 glass of milk and 1 teaspoon of honey daily, that's about 18g carbs daily. That should get you into and keep you in ketosis, and these are all animal products.
Likewise, if you eat 2 lbs fatty meats plus a handful of berries daily, that's 5g-12g carbs daily depending on the berry. That should get you into and keep you in ketosis, and because it's almost 100% meat-based many would call this a carnivore diet.
I personally don't consume any milk, honey, or fruit.
Many people on the paleo, keto, and carnivore diets practice and preach eating "nose to tail", which I suppose would include testicles.
I personally don't believe eating organ meats is necessary. The people I know have been on a carnivore diet consistently for 10-20 years don't eat organ meats and they are doing great.
Apparently the Inuit didn't eat organ meats either and they did fine.
Milk and Honey?
Is that because they are mentioned in the bible
I can think of a lot better carb sources than those two
I'd rather have a cup of blueberries (~150 grams by weight) rather than a speck of honey and a glass of milk. I can't even remember the last time I drank milk.
One cup of blueberries is a lot more satiating than a teaspoon of honey
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Milk and Honey?
Is that because they are mentioned in the bible
I can think of a lot better carb sources than those two
I'd rather have a cup of blueberries (~150 grams by weight) rather than a speck of honey and a glass of milk. I can't even remember the last time I drank milk.
One cup of blueberries is a lot more satiating than a teaspoon of honey
Raw milk is the best food for putting on size, hands down, full of growth factors and beneficial bacteria, antimicrobial, amino acids, and essential fatty acids. Taste like drinking ice cream.
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In that case the keto/carnivore diet is a very, very old fad.
I've been on this diet consistently for almost 3 years for health reasons, not to lose weight.
I've effortlessly lost over 25 lbs, energy and mental clarity are through the roof, digestion and bowel movements are better than ever. I resolved allergies, skin tags (a symptom of insulin resistance) and other skin conditions, chronic joint and back pain, non-alcoholic fatty liver, high blood pressure, and acid reflux. My triglycerides dropped and continue to improve, while my HDL increased and continues to improve. I have had only one mild cold since starting this way of eating.
It’s extremely old. Similar to “intermittent fasting” it’s been repackaged and marketed to seem like it’s some revolutionary idea. I believe it was the Adkins diet that we first saw this when in fact it’s probably been around a couple of decades prior. From a bodybuilding standpoint, that was a cutting diet. No carbs, all protein no calorie counting. No doubt it works.
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It’s extremely old. Similar to “intermittent fasting” it’s been repackaged and marketed to seem like it’s some revolutionary idea. I believe it was the Adkins diet that we first saw this when in fact it’s probably been around a couple of decades prior. From a bodybuilding standpoint, that was a cutting diet. No carbs, all protein no calorie counting. No doubt it works.
Galeniko/No one method
https://www.scribd.com/doc/176331708/The-Galeniko-noone-Method
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Galeniko/No one method
https://www.scribd.com/doc/176331708/The-Galeniko-noone-Method
No, there is no one method.
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No, there is no one method.
I meant the diet was low cals high protein
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It’s extremely old. Similar to “intermittent fasting” it’s been repackaged and marketed to seem like it’s some revolutionary idea. I believe it was the Adkins diet that we first saw this when in fact it’s probably been around a couple of decades prior. From a bodybuilding standpoint, that was a cutting diet. No carbs, all protein no calorie counting. No doubt it works.
A little addendum to this; As I've got older, I have found myself eating less carbs, not by choice but I feel just as a natural progression I just don't need that much. I do wholeheartedly agree that less carbs will equal better health all the way around.
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Raw milk is the best food for putting on size, hands down, full of growth factors and beneficial bacteria, antimicrobial, amino acids, and essential fatty acids. Taste like drinking ice cream.
"size" or muscle ?
where are you getting this milk that tastes like ice cream
this is my current favorite ice cream and it's a fucking steal @ 3.99 a quart at Trader Joes
if anyone likes coffee ice cream go pick this up and you can thank me later
https://www.traderjoesreviews.com/product/trader-joes-coffee-bean-blast-ice-cream-reviews/
If you're getting sufficient calories and high quality protein (yes from animal sources) milk is not going to make any difference
Also, there's this:
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So let me get this straight, if we eat plenty of carbs daily we may live to be maybe 75, but if we eat zero carbs we live to be about 100, ok, I get it now
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So let me get this straight, if we eat plenty of carbs daily we may live to be maybe 75, but if we eat zero carbs we live to be about 100, ok, I get it now
Bottom line. Genetics dictates
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"size" or muscle ?
where are you getting this milk that tastes like ice cream
this is my current favorite ice cream and it's a fucking steal @ 3.99 a quart at Trader Joes
if anyone likes coffee ice cream go pick this up and you can thank me later
https://www.traderjoesreviews.com/product/trader-joes-coffee-bean-blast-ice-cream-reviews/
If you're getting sufficient calories and high quality protein (yes from animal sources) milk is not going to make any difference
Also, there's this:
Both, if you try raw milk, it tastes amazing, rich in fat, growth factors, fucking amazing. Ever wonder why you see these huge white lineman who grew up on farms, just big country strong mofos, or these women who grew up on farms in Texas, Iowa, Wisconsin, huge fat asses, big titties..they grew up on raw milk, butter, eggs, beef, bacon from their own farms.
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Apparently the Inuit didn't eat organ meats either and they did fine.
They predominately ate blubber which is more nutrient rich than most other animal fats.
Interestingly Inuits who have lived on "keto friendly diets"for several generations have a genetic mutation which make them resistant to ketosis.
You could easily argue humans when placed under evolutionary pressure by a predominately fat/protein diet evolved to avoid being in constant state of ketosis.
Another interesting point about about this genetic adaptation in inuits is that unlike most of us even, when they go days without eating their bodies still resist ketosis. So it appears what is an important survival mechanism for most of us was sacrificed to a degree in Inuits. Being resistant to constant ketosis appears to be the more important survival mechanism for them.
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Milk and Honey?
Is that because they are mentioned in the bible
No. It's because these are animal-based foods and don't have plant-based toxins some people can't tolerate.
I can think of a lot better carb sources than those two
I'd rather have a cup of blueberries (~150 grams by weight) rather than a speck of honey and a glass of milk. I can't even remember the last time I drank milk.
One cup of blueberries is a lot more satiating than a teaspoon of honey
People who consume milk and honey likely don't do it because of the carb quality or because of their satiety. They probably consume these because they like the taste and because they tolerate them better than other foods. These people aren't lactose intolerant, and casein is not inflammatory to them as it is to other people.
Blueberries work for you. Milk and honey works for them. Some people are allergic to berries.
Some tribes have consumed these foods for generations and they have done well.
"The Maasai heavily depend on cattle for nutrition. The traditional Maasai diet consists of six basic foods: milk, meat, fat, blood, honey, and tree bark."
https://togetherwomenrise.org/customsandcuisine/kakenya-center-for-excellence-3/
"The surprising results of the field study show that the Maasai are in a good health status in spite of a limited diet."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100517111910.htm
(https://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/448879/20209600/1347226001360/DSC_7269+kortol+website.jpg?token=rPpjoDCQSb7XgVu0hLIuhYLWInA%3D)
"Kumis was one of the most popular Mongol drinks and was typically made from fermented mare's milk (although the milk of sheep, oxen, camel, and yaks could be used, too)."
https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1451/food--drink-in-the-mongol-empire/
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They predominately ate blubber which is more nutrient rich than most other animal fats.
Interestingly Inuits who have lived on "keto friendly diets"for several generations have a genetic mutation which make them resistant to ketosis.
You could easily argue humans when placed under evolutionary pressure by a predominately fat/protein diet evolved to avoid being in constant state of ketosis.
Another interesting point about about this genetic adaptation in inuits is that unlike most of us even, when they go days without eating their bodies still resist ketosis. So it appears what is an important survival mechanism for most of us was sacrificed to a degree in Inuits. Being resistant to constant ketosis appears to be the more important survival mechanism for them.
Interesting.
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No. It's because these are animal-based foods and don't have plant-based toxins some people can't tolerate.
People who consume milk and honey likely don't do it because of the carb quality or because of their satiety. They probably consume these because they like the taste and because they tolerate them better than other foods. These people aren't lactose intolerant, and casein is not inflammatory to them as it is to other people.
Blueberries work for you. Milk and honey works for them. Some people are allergic to berries.
Some tribes have consumed these foods for generations and they have done well.
"The Maasai heavily depend on cattle for nutrition. The traditional Maasai diet consists of six basic foods: milk, meat, fat, blood, honey, and tree bark."
https://togetherwomenrise.org/customsandcuisine/kakenya-center-for-excellence-3/
"The surprising results of the field study show that the Maasai are in a good health status in spite of a limited diet."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100517111910.htm
(https://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/448879/20209600/1347226001360/DSC_7269+kortol+website.jpg?token=rPpjoDCQSb7XgVu0hLIuhYLWInA%3D)
"Kumis was one of the most popular Mongol drinks and was typically made from fermented mare's milk (although the milk of sheep, oxen, camel, and yaks could be used, too)."
https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1451/food--drink-in-the-mongol-empire/
It's odd that you would bring up the Massai without mentioning that their average lifespan for both men and women is in the mid 40's
Finally, the Maasai people’s diet consists of raw meat, raw milk and raw blood from cattle. As a result, most of the Maasai people have a dangerously low life expectancy. Evidently, this causes them to be the People with the lowest life expectancy in the whole world. The average male lives to the age of 42, whilst the women live until the age of just 44. #ThePeopleWithTheLowestLifeExpectancyInTheWorld.
https://vamosbitchachos.com/maasai-tribe-tanzania/#:~:text=Maasai%20Diet&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20of,the%20age%20of%20just%2044.
It's also odd that you didn't mention that the obvious fact that the diet of these tribes is largely driven by what's available in their environment.
I'm sure if you gave them access to Trader Joe's some of them would likely add blue berries, coffee ice cream and beer to their diet
Have you started adding blood to your diet yet?
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Both, if you try raw milk, it tastes amazing, rich in fat, growth factors, fucking amazing. Ever wonder why you see these huge white lineman who grew up on farms, just big country strong mofos, or these women who grew up on farms in Texas, Iowa, Wisconsin, huge fat asses, big titties..they grew up on raw milk, butter, eggs, beef, bacon from their own farms.
I've had raw milk
It didn't taste anything like ice cream but it did cause me to have terrible bowel distress and I needed to run to the bathroom within an hour or so
I have no problem with dairy. I eat cottage cheese, yogurt and ice cream with no issues
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Raw milk is the best food for putting on size, hands down, full of growth factors and beneficial bacteria, antimicrobial, amino acids, and essential fatty acids. Taste like drinking ice cream.
Are you huge from drinking raw milk?
Pics?
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It’s extremely old. Similar to “intermittent fasting” it’s been repackaged and marketed to seem like it’s some revolutionary idea. I believe it was the Adkins diet that we first saw this when in fact it’s probably been around a couple of decades prior. From a bodybuilding standpoint, that was a cutting diet. No carbs, all protein no calorie counting. No doubt it works.
Technically, humans were already eating this way before the invention of agriculture. Humans couldn't have survived just gathering plant-based foods that grew on their own, especially in parts of the world where winters were extremally long.
And then
"The first low-carbohydrate diet book was written in 1863 by William Banting as a service to his fellow Man. His name passed into the language as the verb 'to bant'."
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/banting.html#.YmWl4NrMJEY
The keto diet has been clinically used since the early 1920s to control seizures in patients with epilepsy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8761750/
"In the early 20th century, before any medications were available for the treatment of diabetes mellitus, experts recommended dietary carbohydrate-restriction [1,2]. The dietary recommendation for diabetes in a prominent internal medicine textbook from 1923 was 75% fat, 17% protein, 6% alcohol and only 2% carbohydrate [3]. The recommended total daily energy intake was 1,795 Calories per day. After the discovery of insulin and oral hypoglycemic medications, experts gradually changed the dietary recommendations to include more carbohydrate intake because most experts reasoned that the medications could be used to keep the glucose in control."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2315645/
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It's odd that you would bring up the Massai without mentioning that their average lifespan for both men and women is in the mid 40's
https://vamosbitchachos.com/maasai-tribe-tanzania/#:~:text=Maasai%20Diet&text=As%20a%20result%2C%20most%20of,the%20age%20of%20just%2044.
It's also odd that you didn't mention that the obvious fact that the diet of these tribes is largely driven by what's available in their environment.
I'm sure if you gave them access to Trader Joe's some of them would likely add blue berries, coffee ice cream and beer to their diet
Have you started adding blood to your diet yet?
No, not odd at all. You asked why milk and honey, and is it because it's mentioned in the bible?
I answered with these examples to show that it has nothing to do with the Bible, and that some people believe consuming milk and honey is fine if these tribes have been consuming them for generations and not only have survived, but the adults are in good health despite their short average life span.
Some argue the Massai have an average short life span because of limited access to healthcare, and basically because of a low level of wealth. Same reason why the Inuit, although very healthy, have an average short life span. Wealth is correlated with longevity.
There is a lot of debate regarding nutrition and longevity. Hong Kong has both the longest life span in the world and the highest meat consumption in the world.
India has both one of the shortest life spans in the world and the lowest meat consumption in the world.
Vegans and vegetarians argue the reason is because Hong Kong is very wealthy, while India is very poor. Is that why? I don't know. I'm sure it's more complicated than that and there are many factors to consider, including quality of social connections.
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So let me get this straight, if we eat plenty of carbs daily we may live to be maybe 75, but if we eat zero carbs we live to be about 100, ok, I get it now
We all end up dead regardless.
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We all end up dead regardless.
True, but what to do in order to have good quality of life and remain as independent as possible for as long as possible before death is the question.
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True, but what to do in order to have good quality of life and remain as independent as possible for as long as possible before death is the question.
That includes eating tasty food.
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Both, if you try raw milk, it tastes amazing, rich in fat, growth factors, fucking amazing. Ever wonder why you see these huge white lineman who grew up on farms, just big country strong mofos, or these women who grew up on farms in Texas, Iowa, Wisconsin, huge fat asses, big titties..they grew up on raw milk, butter, eggs, beef, bacon from their own farms.
Dallas McCarver was a farm boy
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No, not odd at all. You asked why milk and honey, and is it because it's mentioned in the bible?
I answered with these examples to show that it has nothing to do with the Bible, and that some people believe consuming milk and honey is fine if these tribes have been consuming them for generations and not only have survived, but the adults are in good health despite their short average life span.
Some argue the Massai have an average short life span because of limited access to healthcare, and basically because of a low level of wealth. Same reason why the Inuit, although very healthy, have an average short life span. Wealth is correlated with longevity.
There is a lot of debate regarding nutrition and longevity. Hong Kong has both the longest life span in the world and the highest meat consumption in the world.
India has both one of the shortest life spans in the world and the lowest meat consumption in the world.
Vegans and vegetarians argue the reason is because Hong Kong is very wealthy, while India is very poor. Is that why? I don't know. I'm sure it's more complicated than that and there are many factors to consider, including quality of social connections.
Personally, I doubt their short lifespan has much if anything to do with lack of modern healthcare. Plenty of people all over the planet never go to a doctor and live longer than the average Massai
Are you considering adding blood to your diet?
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That includes eating tasty food.
That depends on food quality, quantity, and frequency. Most would agree donuts, pizza, and Doritos are tasty "foods."
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That depends on food quality, quantity, and frequency. Most would agree donuts, pizza, and Doritos are tasty "foods."
My grandfather ate all of those and lived to 104. A neighbor lady I grew up next to ate them and lived to 100.
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We all end up dead regardless.
Bro...
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Personally, I doubt their short lifespan has much if anything to do with lack of modern healthcare. Plenty of people all over the planet never go to a doctor and live longer than the average Massai
Are you considering adding blood to your diet?
No, although blood sausage is popular in many countries around the world. I've never had one, and have no interest in trying it.
As I said, I don't consume milk, honey, or fruit either.
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Personally, I doubt their short lifespan has much if anything to do with lack of modern healthcare. Plenty of people all over the planet never go to a doctor and live longer than the average Massai
Are you considering adding blood to your diet?
There was no modern healthcare in ancient Greece either and it was common for people following a Mediterranean diet to live into their 80s.
People following similar diets now plus the addition of modern healthcare are commonly living into their 90s
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My grandfather ate all of those and lived to 104. A neighbor lady I grew up next to ate them and lived to 100.
Like I said:
True, but what to do in order to have good quality of life and remain as independent as possible for as long as possible before death is the question.
Longevity alone is not desirable without the above.
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There was no modern healthcare in ancient Greece either and it was common for people following a Mediterranean diet to live into their 80s.
People following similar diets now plus the addition of modern healthcare are commonly living into their 90s
Genetics play a role in this too. The Maasai are prone to high blood pressure. That's common among Africans.
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Like I said:
Longevity alone is not desirable without the above.
They had great quality of life. I see no correlation between diet and longevity or quality of life. Body weight is another matter.
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who wants to live past 80 anyway?
probably living alone, kids fucked off dont want anything to dop with you, all your friends dead
Fuck that
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They had great quality of life. I see no correlation between diet and longevity or quality of life. Body weight is another matter.
And you believe those two people are the norm? You see no correlation between diet and body weight?
There will always be exceptions to the norm:
"A 100-year-old man in China has defied all the norms and has shown the world the smoking and drinking pave the way to a long life. Zhang Kemin from Jinjin in China, revealed in a recent interview that the secret to his long life is a lifetime of smoking, drinking, and eating whatever he wants."
https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/centenarian-in-china-credits-smoking-booze-and-eating-whatever-he-wants-as-secret-to-long-life-3122300.html
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My grandfather ate all of those and lived to 104. A neighbor lady I grew up next to ate them and lived to 100.
My nikka
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Genetics play a role in this too. The Maasai are prone to high blood pressure. That's common among Africans.
I'd put a bigger emphasis on their height as the reason why they have lower life expectancy. They are an incredibly tall population.
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who wants to live past 80 anyway?
probably living alone, kids fucked off dont want anything to dop with you, all your friends dead
Fuck that
If you're Indian or Japanese there is a good chance family will take great care of you.
Being abandoned and left to rot in old age by family is predominantly a North/West European and North American thing
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Are you huge from drinking raw milk?
Pics?
Lean, strong, fit, healthiest I've ever been. Hiked 10 miles last weekend at a 12,000 foot elevation on an empty stomach, swam 90 minutes this morning, hitting PR's in the gym. Staying big, full, and lean on 3,000-3,500 calories a day, fasting twice a week. Never been this big and lean on this amount of calories, I compete and previous shows I've done I've had to slowly reduce carbs/calories as low as 1600, never again man.
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Lean, strong, fit, healthiest I've ever been. Hiked 10 miles last weekend at a 12,000 foot elevation on an empty stomach, swam 90 minutes this morning, hitting PR's in the gym. Staying big, full, and lean on 3,000-3,500 calories a day, fasting twice a week. Never been this big and lean on this amount of calories, I compete and previous shows I've done I've had to slowly reduce carbs/calories as low as 1600, never again man.
do you eat peanut butter?smuckers natty?
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Google vs Google in a debate will always end in a draw.
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"the secret to his long life is a lifetime of smoking, drinking, and eating whatever he wants."
thats how I do it
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who wants to live past 80 anyway?
probably living alone, kids fucked off dont want anything to dop with you, all your friends dead
Fuck that
Haha exactly
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Google vs Google in a debate will always end in a draw.
You obviously haven't seen primemuscle aka mr google in action
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do you eat peanut butter?smuckers natty?
peanut butter is trash, full of lectins, oxalates, and various other antinutrients. Nuts and seeds are super toxic.
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Are you huge from drinking raw milk?
Pics?
Here's a leg pic post leg day, all I do is front squats, hacks, lunges, and stiff leg deadlifts. Staying full and vascular, all on carnivore and doctor supervised/prescription trt.
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Here's a leg pic post leg day, all I do is front squats, hacks, lunges, and stiff leg deadlifts. Staying full and vascular, all on carnivore and doctor supervised/prescription trt.
Awesome, bro.
The trt of course has a strong effect..
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Awesome, bro.
The trt of course has a strong effect.
👊respect
I've been on a lot higher doses, doing things way more smart and look way better, fasting/increased hgh and stem cell production, nutrient dense diet, Quality sleep, sprinkle a little test and boom 💥
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who wants to live past 80 anyway?
probably living alone, kids fucked off dont want anything to dop with you, all your friends dead
Fuck that
Bro...
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👊respect
I've been on a lot higher doses, doing things way more smart and look way better, fasting/increased hgh and stem cell production, nutrient dense diet, Quality sleep, sprinkle a little test and boom 💥
You are not natty though, I'm natty
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You are not natty though, I'm natty
Awesome, even more of a reason to eat a ton of whole eggs, steak, and raw milk. Get as much cholesterol as possible.
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You are not natty though, I'm natty
Brutal if true.
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Awesome, even more of a reason to eat a ton of whole eggs, steak, and raw milk. Get as much cholesterol as possible.
what's a typical day of eating look like
Are you fasting 2 days each and every week
Is it a 48 hour fast or two 24 hours fasts
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what's a typical day of eating look like
Are you fasting 2 days each and every week
Is it a 48 hour fast or two 24 hours fasts
12 whole Pasture raised Organic eggs, 3lbs grass fed ground beef, 2 - 8oz glasses of raw milk, half ounce beef liver a day. Once a week I eat salmon instead of beef and add a pack of bacon with my egg meals. And I fast on weekends (2 continuous days, sometimes 3).
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12 whole Pasture raised Organic eggs, 3lbs grass fed ground beef, 2 - 8oz glasses of raw milk, half ounce beef liver a day. Once a week I eat salmon instead of beef and add a pack of bacon with my egg meals. And I fast on weekends (2 continuous days, sometimes 3).
The fasting part is probably the most amazing to me. Are you just drinking water during the fast or do you drink anything else?
How many meals per day. Do you cook the eggs and beef together or separately.
Did you have to work up to that amount of food?
Did anything in particular prompt you to try this diet?
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The fasting part is probably the most amazing to me. Are you just drinking water during the fast or do you drink anything else?
How many meals per day. Do you cook the eggs and beef together or separately.
Did you have to work up to that amount of food?
Did anything in particular prompt you to try this diet?
on the fasting days it's Himalayan salt and water only. No I do 6 meals
Meal 1: 6 eggs, 8 oz beef
Meal 2: 16 oz beef
Meal 3: 8oz raw milk
Meal 4: 8oz raw milk
Meal 5: 16 oz beef
Meal 6: 6 eggs, 8oz beef
I was eating a good amount prior to this, but just more volumes of food, like oats, rice, sweet potatoes, fruits 8-10oz of meat from chicken, ground turkey, ground bison, lean ground sirloin. I just decided to try it, I've gone vegan for 4 months, keto numerous times for competitions, paleo, vertical diet. I love training, the science of nutrition, learning the human body bio-hacking, longevity, optimization. You have to be your own test subject and see how you react to things. But proof is definitely in the numbers with carnivore, thousands healed and thriving on this diet and it's only going to get more popular, Dr. Baker just raised 3 million dollars to fund the first official carnivore study, once that comes out it'll change the game forever.
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on the fasting days it's Himalayan salt and water only. No I do 6 meals
Meal 1: 6 eggs, 8 oz beef
Meal 2: 16 oz beef
Meal 3: 8oz raw milk
Meal 4: 8oz raw milk
Meal 5: 16 oz beef
Meal 6: 6 eggs, 8oz beef
I was eating a good amount prior to this, but just more volumes of food, like oats, rice, sweet potatoes, fruits 8-10oz of meat from chicken, ground turkey, ground bison, lean ground sirloin. I just decided to try it, I've gone vegan for 4 months, keto numerous times for competitions, paleo, vertical diet. I love training, the science of nutrition, learning the human body bio-hacking, longevity, optimization. You have to be your own test subject and see how you react to things. But proof is definitely in the numbers with carnivore, thousands healed and thriving on this diet and it's only going to get more popular, Dr. Baker just raised 3 million dollars to fund the first official carnivore study, once that comes out it'll change the game forever.
that's still a ton of food
whatever works for you (or anyone else) is all that matters
compliance is the bottom line with any diet
it's interesting that you can both eat a lot of food and also abstain from food for 2 days at at time
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that's still a ton of food
whatever works for you (or anyone else) is all that matters
compliance is the bottom line with any diet
it's interesting that you can both eat a lot of food and also abstain from food for 2 days at at time
when your insulin is low it's quite easy honestly.
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on the fasting days it's Himalayan salt and water only. No I do 6 meals
Meal 1: 6 eggs, 8 oz beef
Meal 2: 16 oz beef
Meal 3: 8oz raw milk
Meal 4: 8oz raw milk
Meal 5: 16 oz beef
Meal 6: 6 eggs, 8oz beef
I was eating a good amount prior to this, but just more volumes of food, like oats, rice, sweet potatoes, fruits 8-10oz of meat from chicken, ground turkey, ground bison, lean ground sirloin. I just decided to try it, I've gone vegan for 4 months, keto numerous times for competitions, paleo, vertical diet. I love training, the science of nutrition, learning the human body bio-hacking, longevity, optimization. You have to be your own test subject and see how you react to things. But proof is definitely in the numbers with carnivore, thousands healed and thriving on this diet and it's only going to get more popular, Dr. Baker just raised 3 million dollars to fund the first official carnivore study, once that comes out it'll change the game forever.
Is there something special about Himalayan salt over regular salt?
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Is there something special about Himalayan salt over regular salt?
more minerals, table salt is heavily processed and contains bleach and other random shit, stick with pink Himalayan salt or Redmond real salt, I swap between the two.
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when your insulin is low it's quite easy honestly.
Yes, that's part of it.
There's also the fact that your body is now using mostly fat for energy instead of glucose, so it's not asking you to feed it carbs every hour. As we all know, the body can store only a very limited amount of glycogen, but it can store an unlimited amount of fat. So when fat adapted, your body simply uses the fat you recently ate, or your stored fat if it has been a while since you ate.
Ketones alone may be hunger suppressing too.
"Ketosis appears to provide a plausible explanation for this suppression of appetite."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25402637/
"The available evidence shows that ketogenic diets have the ability to yield significant weight loss while blunting the increase in ghrelin secretion and feelings of hunger that accompany diet-induced weight loss. Studies using exogenous ketones also point out in the same direction. The exact mechanisms by which ketogenic diets suppress appetite remain to be fully determined, but evidence from investigations employing exogenous ketones points to a direct effect of ketones on appetite."
https://journals.lww.com/co-clinicalnutrition/Fulltext/2021/07000/Ketogenic_diets_and_appetite_regulation.14.aspx
"The circulating concentrations of several hormones and nutrients which influence appetite were altered after weight loss induced by a ketogenic diet, compared with after refeeding. The increase in circulating ghrelin and subjective appetite which accompany dietary weight reduction were mitigated when weight-reduced participants were ketotic."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23632752/
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Is there something special about Himalayan salt over regular salt?
Regular table salt typically contains Dextrose (a simple sugar), Iodine, and other stuff:
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Pink Himalayan salt is a lot cleaner:
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Himalayan salt is "mostly mined at the Khewra Salt Mine in Khewra, Jhelum District, Punjab, Pakistan, which is situated in the foothills of the Salt Range hill system between the Indus River and the Punjab Plain. It is primarily exported in bulk, and processed in other countries for the consumer market."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himalayan_salt#History
If you are in the US and prefer buying local, Redmond Real Salt is a great option. It's mined in and shipped from Utah, from an underground mine not polluted by the environment.
https://redmond.life/collections/real-salt
Their plain salt can be found at most grocery stores, Walmart, Whole Foods, etc. I personally like the taste and texture of pink Himalayan salt better.
However, I like Redmond Real Salt's onion, garlic, and smoked seasoned salts which I get directly from their website.
https://redmond.life/collections/organic-seasonings
I use their toothpaste too, which is fluoride, carrageenan, and microplastic free.
https://redmond.life/collections/earthpaste-all
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on the fasting days it's Himalayan salt and water only. No I do 6 meals
Meal 1: 6 eggs, 8 oz beef
Meal 2: 16 oz beef
Meal 3: 8oz raw milk
Meal 4: 8oz raw milk
Meal 5: 16 oz beef
Meal 6: 6 eggs, 8oz beef
I was eating a good amount prior to this, but just more volumes of food, like oats, rice, sweet potatoes, fruits 8-10oz of meat from chicken, ground turkey, ground bison, lean ground sirloin. I just decided to try it, I've gone vegan for 4 months, keto numerous times for competitions, paleo, vertical diet. I love training, the science of nutrition, learning the human body bio-hacking, longevity, optimization. You have to be your own test subject and see how you react to things. But proof is definitely in the numbers with carnivore, thousands healed and thriving on this diet and it's only going to get more popular, Dr. Baker just raised 3 million dollars to fund the first official carnivore study, once that comes out it'll change the game forever.
Or, he might just buy a bigger boat.
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Dextrose is added in very minute amounts to iodized salt to slow oxidation of the potassium iodide.
Dextrose may only be used in Canadian Table Salt but I'm not sure although I read this.
Sea salt usually is not iodized. Sea salt has been found to contain micro-plastics.
You can buy non-iodized salt that does not contain dextrose. Non-iodized salt is often used in baking and pickling.
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Dextrose is added in very minute amounts to iodized salt to slow oxidation of the potassium iodide.
Yes, but when I first started a keto diet, I was drinking lots of water with salt sprinkled in it in addition to salting my food in order to avoid dehydration and mineral imbalances common when first starting this diet. I didn't want the dextrose in table salt and other small amounts of carbs in my food to add up.
There is dextrose in Splenda, Equal, Sweet'N Low, and some Stevia sweeteners too. It's the very first ingredient in these. Many people on low carb diets use these not knowing they contain this simple sugar.
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Sea salt usually is not iodized. Sea salt has been found to contain micro-plastics.
Right, that's why salt mined underground is preferable.
"Real Salt comes from an ancient sea bed in Central Utah." "Real Salt is mined in Redmond, Utah, some 370 feet underground."
https://www.visitutah.com/articles/mighty-mineral
You can buy non-iodized salt that does not contain dextrose. Non-iodized salt is often used in baking and pickling.
Right, but it's likely still processed and refined. Himalayan pink salt and Redmond Real Salt are unprocessed and unrefined, and therefore are healthier and retain trace minerals.
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Yes, that's part of it.
There's also the fact that your body is now using mostly fat for energy instead of glucose, so it's not asking you to feed it carbs every hour. As we all know, the body can store only a very limited amount of glycogen, but it can store an unlimited amount of fat. So when fat adapted, your body simply uses the fat you recently ate, or your stored fat if it has been a while since you ate.
Ketones alone may be hunger suppressing too.
"Ketosis appears to provide a plausible explanation for this suppression of appetite."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25402637/
"The available evidence shows that ketogenic diets have the ability to yield significant weight loss while blunting the increase in ghrelin secretion and feelings of hunger that accompany diet-induced weight loss. Studies using exogenous ketones also point out in the same direction. The exact mechanisms by which ketogenic diets suppress appetite remain to be fully determined, but evidence from investigations employing exogenous ketones points to a direct effect of ketones on appetite."
https://journals.lww.com/co-clinicalnutrition/Fulltext/2021/07000/Ketogenic_diets_and_appetite_regulation.14.aspx
"The circulating concentrations of several hormones and nutrients which influence appetite were altered after weight loss induced by a ketogenic diet, compared with after refeeding. The increase in circulating ghrelin and subjective appetite which accompany dietary weight reduction were mitigated when weight-reduced participants were ketotic."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23632752/
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When you eat high fat in keto it fills you up. No wide swings in blood sugar from eating high glycemic carbs.
Since you aren't hungry as often you tend to eat less which results in weight loss.
It's good.
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high fat diets DESTROY my stomach
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high fat diets DESTROY my stomach
Why? You don't have a gallbladder?
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When you eat high fat in keto it fills you up. No wide swings in blood sugar from eating high glycemic carbs.
Since you aren't hungry as often you tend to eat less which results in weight loss.
It's good.
It is.
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Why? You don't have a gallbladder?
severe stomach pain and diarrhea with any high fat diet for some reason
I do best on high protein, moderate carbs, low fat
all organs in tact
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severe stomach pain and diarrhea with any high fat diet for some reason
I do best on high protein, moderate carbs, low fat
all organs in tact
are you A blood type?
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severe stomach pain and diarrhea with any high fat diet for some reason
I do best on high protein, moderate carbs, low fat
all organs in tact
take ox bile to help digest the fats until your system gets used to it, very common in people who've chronically eaten a low fat diet for a long period of time.
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are you A blood type?
Isn't everyone?
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Isn't everyone?
No, Im O ;D
That depends on your blood type. Here's what D'Adamo recommends for each type:
Type O blood: A high-protein diet heavy on lean meat, poultry, fish, and vegetables, and light on grains, beans, and dairy. D'Adamo also recommends various supplements to help with tummy troubles and other issues he says people with type O tend to have.
Type A blood: A meat-free diet based on fruits and vegetables, beans and legumes, and whole grains -- ideally, organic and fresh, because D'Adamo says people with type A blood have a sensitive immune system.
Type B blood: Avoid corn, wheat, buckwheat, lentils, tomatoes, peanuts, and sesame seeds. Chicken is also problematic, D'Adamo says. He encourages eating green vegetables, eggs, certain meats, and low-fat dairy.
Type AB blood: Foods to focus on include tofu, seafood, dairy, and green vegetables. He says people with type AB blood tend to have low stomach acid. Avoid caffeine, alcohol, and smoked or cured meats.
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No, Im O ;D
That depends on your blood type. Here's what D'Adamo recommends for each type:
Type O blood: A high-protein diet heavy on lean meat, poultry, fish, and vegetables, and light on grains, beans, and dairy. D'Adamo also recommends various supplements to help with tummy troubles and other issues he says people with type O tend to have.
Type A blood: A meat-free diet based on fruits and vegetables, beans and legumes, and whole grains -- ideally, organic and fresh, because D'Adamo says people with type A blood have a sensitive immune system.
Type B blood: Avoid corn, wheat, buckwheat, lentils, tomatoes, peanuts, and sesame seeds. Chicken is also problematic, D'Adamo says. He encourages eating green vegetables, eggs, certain meats, and low-fat dairy.
Type AB blood: Foods to focus on include tofu, seafood, dairy, and green vegetables. He says people with type AB blood tend to have low stomach acid. Avoid caffeine, alcohol, and smoked or cured meats.
I'm type A blood, and I do very well on a very fatty meat heavy diet with no fruits or vegetables.
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No, Im O ;D
That depends on your blood type. Here's what D'Adamo recommends for each type:
Type O blood: A high-protein diet heavy on lean meat, poultry, fish, and vegetables, and light on grains, beans, and dairy. D'Adamo also recommends various supplements to help with tummy troubles and other issues he says people with type O tend to have.
Type A blood: A meat-free diet based on fruits and vegetables, beans and legumes, and whole grains -- ideally, organic and fresh, because D'Adamo says people with type A blood have a sensitive immune system.
Type B blood: Avoid corn, wheat, buckwheat, lentils, tomatoes, peanuts, and sesame seeds. Chicken is also problematic, D'Adamo says. He encourages eating green vegetables, eggs, certain meats, and low-fat dairy.
Type AB blood: Foods to focus on include tofu, seafood, dairy, and green vegetables. He says people with type AB blood tend to have low stomach acid. Avoid caffeine, alcohol, and smoked or cured meats.
Super interesting as I'm O and have had stomach/gerd related issues.
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I had stomach problems when doing primarily aerobic exercise. They cleared up quickly when I got back into weightlifting/BB as my main form of exercise.
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58 year old bodybuilder from UK, 20+ years eating a diet almost 100% meat-based.
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58 year old bodybuilder from UK, 20+ years eating a diet almost 100% meat-based.
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Awesome gym.
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58 year old bodybuilder from UK, 20+ years eating a diet almost 100% meat-based.
Are you intentionally trying to look like a keto cultist?
How about posting about someone who isn't selling some kinda of program, book, newsletter, youtube channel or in this case a highland retreat.
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Found this video of the guy...
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Are you intentionally trying to look like a keto cultist?
How about posting about someone who isn't selling some kinda of program, book, newsletter, youtube channel or in this case a highland retreat.
No. Straw Man said he didn't know any bodybuilders who eat this way.
Is the rule now that it has to be a bodybuilder who eats this way and doesn't sell anything?
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No. Straw Man said he didn't know any bodybuilders who eat this way.
Is the rule now that it has to be a bodybuilder who eats this way and doesn't sell anything?
Is it that hard to find someone who isn't selling something?
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Is it that hard to find someone who isn't selling something?
Actually yes. Anyone who has accomplished anything in fitness, personal finance, etc. is probably selling something now.
Social media and technology makes it easier for anyone than ever before. There's no shortage of nutrition, training, and personal finance eBooks, blogs, YouTube channels, and online coaches.
I probably would be selling something too fitness and/or personal finance related, if I hadn't already invested in a good education and lucrative career that I enjoy.
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Actually yes. Anyone who has accomplished anything in fitness, personal finance, etc. is probably selling something now.
Social media and technology makes it easier for anyone than ever before. There's no shortage of nutrition, training, and personal finance eBooks, blogs, YouTube channels, and online coaches.
I probably would be selling something too fitness and/or personal finance related, if I hadn't already invested in a good education and lucrative career that I enjoy.
I could probably make money personal training but I simply cant be arsed with people
They would have to be 100% committed or I wouldnt waste my time
I know a female personal trainer who is very good at it, she gives each client exactly what they want , which most of the time is a chat and the odd mediocre set inbetween
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Actually yes. Anyone who has accomplished anything in fitness, personal finance, etc. is probably selling something now.
Social media and technology makes it easier for anyone than ever before. There's no shortage of nutrition, training, and personal finance eBooks, blogs, YouTube channels, and online coaches.
I probably would be selling something too fitness and/or personal finance related, if I hadn't already invested in a good education and lucrative career that I enjoy.
I rest my case, your honour.
Although I do know of ifbb pros who switched to keto even after they were done competing, even a guy who is big in the supplement game who has been doing keto for years and doesn't try monetize it.
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I rest my case, your honour.
Although I do know of ifbb pros who switched to keto even after they were done competing, even a guy who is big in the supplement game who has been doing keto for years and doesn't try monetize it.
So what's your point, that these few keto bodybuilders are really eating a high carb diet and hiding it in order to sell stuff?
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So what's your point, that these few keto bodybuilders are really eating a high carb diet and hiding it in order to sell stuff?
I already made my point. The way you present information or supporting evidence makes you keto cultist
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I already made my point. The way you present information or supporting evidence makes you keto cultist
If you say so.
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IFBB keto-ers secretly eating donuts while shilling for meat and egg companies.
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IFBB keto-ers secretly eating donuts while shilling for meat and egg companies.
I say if you are on a keto diet and you want a donut, eat a donut, then move on and get back on track.
If you are on a vegan diet and you want a ribeye steak, eat a steak, then move on and get back on track.
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If you say so.
Don't worry you aren't anywhere near as bad as theketokid yet. Or maybe it's something for you to aim for.
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Is it that hard to find someone who isn't selling something?
Dr. Shawn Baker is selling nothing, he has written a book, but doesn't push it whatsoever, he doesn't push supplements, he puts out tons of information on carnivore and its benefits, hell he doesn't even push grass fed beef, claims it's slightly better like 2% better then conventional grain fed meat you find at Walmart. I've spent $0 on anything carnivore other than food, no books, no supplements, nothing.
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Don't worry you aren't anywhere near as bad as theketokid yet. Or maybe it's something for you to aim for.
I'm not worried. In your mind I may end up being worse than The Keto Kid, or end up being the leader of the "keto cult", as you call it. I don't really care.
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I've spent $0 on anything carnivore other than food, no books, no supplements, nothing.
Same here.
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Dr. Shawn Baker is selling nothing, he has written a book, but doesn't push it whatsoever, he doesn't push supplements, he puts out tons of information on carnivore and its benefits, hell he doesn't even push grass fed beef, claims it's slightly better like 2% better then conventional grain fed meat you find at Walmart. I've spent $0 on anything carnivore other than food, no books, no supplements, nothing.
He does 30 minute zoom consults for $120 a pop that is geared towards lifestyle and nutrition and not his medical qualification
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I already made my point. The way you present information or supporting evidence makes you look like a keto cultist
I left out a few key wordd here. I wasn't actually trying to attack you @loco or call you a keto cultist, just calling into question how you're looking at keto and present information on it. It's very one sided
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He does 30 minute zoom consults for $120 a pop that is geared towards lifestyle and nutrition and not his medical qualification
Again he offers it, he never mentions this in his videos, he posts at least 3 videos a day. Literally just eat a shit load of eggs and beef, that's the jist of it.
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I say if you are on a keto diet and you want a donut, eat a donut, then move on and get back on track.
If you are on a vegan diet and you want a ribeye steak, eat a steak, then move on and get back on track.
I am a nonbinary vegan. I am a carnivore while I am awake and a vegan while I sleep. Those who can't accept my lifestyle are racist. ;D
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Again he offers it, he never mentions this in his videos, he posts at least 3 videos a day. Literally just eat a shit load of eggs and beef, that's the jist of it.
That's kinda how targeted advertisement works. Draw in people interested in a specific type of content by providing that content and then have a product or service that caters to them ready and waiting at the destination.
I can give you an even simpler example. He is selling merch attached to his YouTube content which has pro meat slogans and anti plant sentiment. Yeah nothing cultist about that...
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No. Straw Man said he didn't know any bodybuilders who eat this way.
Is the rule now that it has to be a bodybuilder who eats this way and doesn't sell anything?
nope
what I said was that I couldn't think of any other than that Tristyn Lee kid and Mark Bell
and I was specifically referring to the "carnivore diet" which they both have promoted (or to Lee's credit he says it's not for everyone). Bell is not shy about talking about the drugs he takes. I have no idea of Lee has talked about that.
I don't know of any competitive natural bodybuilders who eat this way but I'm sure there is probably someone somewhere who is doing it
Personally I just can't eat that much meat and I prefer some variety.
My pre-workout meal today (about 3 hours before I worked out) was ~ 175 grams of wild sockeye salmon (cooked weight) with 3 fried eggs (fried in avocado oil) and ~ 100 grams of lentils. The only carbs were from the lentils which are steamed and vacuum packed from Trader Joes (20 grams of carbs with 8 grams of fiber)
I probably get ~ 100 to 150 grams of carbs on most days and that feels good to me
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nope
what I said was that I couldn't think of any other than that Tristyn Lee kid and Mark Bell
and I was specifically referring to the "carnivore diet" which they both have promoted (or to Lee's credit he says it's not for everyone). Bell is not shy about talking about the drugs he takes. I have no idea of Lee has talked about that.
I don't know of any competitive natural bodybuilders who eat this way but I'm sure there is probably someone somewhere who is doing it
Personally I just can't eat that much meat and I prefer some variety.
My pre-workout meal today (about 3 hours before I worked out) was ~ 175 grams of wild sockeye salmon (cooked weight) with 3 fried eggs (fried in avocado oil) and ~ 100 grams of lentils. The only carbs were from the lentils which are steamed and vacuum packed from Trader Joes (20 grams of carbs with 8 grams of fiber)
I probably get ~ 100 to 150 grams of carbs on most days and that feels good to me
All the bodybuilders from the 70s basically followed Gironda's steak and eggs diet with a once a week carb refeed. Just watch Pumping Iron, when they go out to eat, Arnold and the rest, steak and eggs, hamburger and eggs, one dude gets a tuna omelet.
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All the bodybuilders from the 70s basically followed Gironda's steak and eggs diet with a once a week carb refeed. Just watch Pumping Iron, when they go out to eat, Arnold and the rest, steak and eggs, hamburger and eggs, one dude gets a tuna omelet.
that was just pre-contest and it was basically a low carb/no carb diet with a trip a to the House of Pies on the weekend and of course in the off season they also ate plenty of carbs, drank beer,etc..
does anyone today follow this protocol. I know people do limit carbs today but they also limit fats
I think Gironda's steak and egg diet was only two meals a day and I think he included salad and carbed up on pasta every third or fourth day
What you're doing obviously works for you but 3 lbs and a dozen eggs a day is a LOT of food
Also, the fasting 2-3 is extremely unique. I've never heard of anyone else doing that much fasting on a weekly basis
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that was just pre-contest and it was basically a low carb/no carb diet with a trip a to the House of Pies on the weekend and of course in the off season they also ate plenty of carbs, drank beer,etc..
does anyone today follow this protocol. I know people do limit carbs today but they also limit fats
I think Gironda's steak and egg diet was only two meals a day and I think he included salad and carbed up on pasta every third or fourth day
What you're doing obviously works for you but 3 lbs and a dozen eggs a day is a LOT of food
Also, the fasting 2-3 is extremely unique. I've never heard of anyone else doing that much fasting on a weekly basis
Why are you so intrigued by if anyone is doing this today? They did it then and looked phenomenal, all on less gear and zero cardio mind you. And regarding my food intake, how is 3,000-3,500 calories a day for an active 215 pound muscular male alot of food?
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I could probably make money personal training but I simply cant be arsed with people
They would have to be 100% committed or I wouldnt waste my time
I know a female personal trainer who is very good at it, she gives each client exactly what they want , which most of the time is a chat and the odd mediocre set inbetween
Exactly.
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Fasting 2 days out of 7 is the 5-2 intermittent fasting plan.
Very common if you are into intermittent fasting.
I prefer the 16-8 plan myself. 16 hour fast and 8 hour eating window.
There are numerous unproven health claims about intermittent fasting.
From a calorie standpoint, you eat less meals and therefore consume less calories than a typical eating pattern which results in weight loss.
Nothing magical about it.
If you gorge and stuff yourself with excess calories while intermittent fasting you will gain weight.
Likewise with the keto diet, if you consume excess calories you will gain weight, but since keto makes you feel full it's easier to eat less.
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Fasting 2 days out of 7 is the 5-2 intermittent fasting plan.
Very common if you are into intermittent fasting.
I prefer the 16-8 plan myself. 16 hour fast and 8 hour eating window.
There are numerous unproven health claims about intermittent fasting.
From a calorie standpoint, you eat less meals and therefore consume less calories than a typical eating pattern which results in weight loss.
Nothing magical about it.
If you gorge and stuff yourself with excess calories while intermittent fasting you will gain weight.
Likewise with the keto diet, if you consume excess calories you will gain weight, but since keto makes you feel full it's easier to eat less.
I'm gonna need to see a picture of an in shape online guru backing these statements up if you expect me to take you seriously
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I'm gonna need to see a picture of an in shape online guru backing these statements up if you expect me to take you seriously
If you eat less, you tend to lose weight.
Does that make sense?
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If you eat less, you tend to lose weight.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
But I DO believe there is some credibility that when the body isn't spending energy digesting food all the time, it can be applied elsewhere. Purely anecdotal, but I do find my energy levels through the roof near the end of the 16 fast while on a 16-8.
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Yes.
But I DO believe there is some credibility that when the body isn't spending energy digesting food all the time, it can be applied elsewhere. Purely anecdotal, but I do find my energy levels through the roof near the end of the 16 fast while on a 16-8.
People spend so much of their time eating.
When you intermittent fast there is more time to do other things.
People often center their social life around eating. This makes it difficult to reduce food consumption to a level necessary to lose weight.
Eat to live don't live to eat. Treat food as merely fuel.
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I'm gonna need to see a picture of an in shape online guru backing these statements up if you expect me to take you seriously
Thomas Delauer, look up his YouTube, tons of videos on prolonged fasting and intermittent fasting, he's also been using keto for over 10 years, on and off.
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Fasting and the Carnivore Diet Helped This Man Lose 82 Pounds
"I feel better than I have ever felt in my life."
(https://www.carnivorecast.com/hubfs/Raymond%20Nazon%20carnivore%20fasting.jpg)
"I followed a keto diet plan for only six weeks and noticed huge differences," he says. Typical meals included lots of meats, green vegetables, cheese, and nuts. Dinner was usually salmon with kale, turmeric, and garlic, or rotisserie chicken.
By November, Nazon lost 10 pounds and decided to incorporate intermittent fasting. He tracks his weight and meals using the LIFE Fasting app.
Eventually, Nazon went full carnivore and has only eaten meat and cheese for the past two years—except for on special occasions.
"My doctor thinks I'm crazy," he says. "The nurses think the same but with my great blood work and my transformation, they have become more curious than worried."
Nazon now weighs 175 pounds and is no longer pre-diabetic.
https://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/a30795948/fasting-carnivore-diet-transformation/
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I'm gonna need to see a picture of an in shape online guru backing these statements up if you expect me to take you seriously
Getbig needs a sarcasm notification
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Fasting and the Carnivore Diet Helped This Man Lose 82 Pounds
"I feel better than I have ever felt in my life."
"I followed a keto diet plan for only six weeks and noticed huge differences," he says. Typical meals included lots of meats, green vegetables, cheese, and nuts. Dinner was usually salmon with kale, turmeric, and garlic, or rotisserie chicken.
By November, Nazon lost 10 pounds and decided to incorporate intermittent fasting. He tracks his weight and meals using the LIFE Fasting app.
Eventually, Nazon went full carnivore and has only eaten meat and cheese for the past two years—except for on special occasions.
"My doctor thinks I'm crazy," he says. "The nurses think the same but with my great blood work and my transformation, they have become more curious than worried."
Nazon now weighs 175 pounds and is no longer pre-diabetic.
https://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/a30795948/fasting-carnivore-diet-transformation/
Raymond Nazon
49 years old, 4 years carnivore and carnivore coach.
👇🏽Join the 30-Day Challenge to work with me
sbg-s-meat-up.mn.co
https://www.instagram.com/raymondnazon/?hl=en
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She put her multiple sclerosis and bipolar disorder in remission, got taken off all medications, and lost a lot of weight by eating 100% carnivore.
She eats 3/4 lb of beef steak and 3/4 lb beef fat every day, nothing else. That's around 4,200 calories per day, most of them from fat.
www.youtube.com/channel/UCtI0xRq3cuWGgB54FWpj0nw
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She put her multiple sclerosis and bipolar disorder in remission, got taken off all medications, and lost a lot of weight by eating 100% carnivore.
She eats 3/4 lb of beef steak and 3/4 lb beef fat every day, nothing else. That's around 4,200 calories per day, most of them from fat.
How much does she charge as a transformational coach?
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This couple reversed multiple health conditions and lost over 100 lbs each by following a carnivore diet.
(https://www.omnycontent.com/d/clips/303f3935-d96e-47f7-8f9b-a75a00ba8f31/63993e1e-67bd-4453-bc07-a75a00bb10b8/c0c8dcad-a090-48fa-925a-ab4500f307eb/image.jpg?t=1579272773&size=Large)
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Raymond Nazon
49 years old, 4 years carnivore and carnivore coach.
👇🏽Join the 30-Day Challenge to work with me
sbg-s-meat-up.mn.co
https://www.instagram.com/raymondnazon/?hl=en
Raymond very much appreciates your free advertising of his business here and sharing where Getbiggers can find and contact him for his coaching services.
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How much does she charge as a transformational coach?
I don't know. You are the one doing the free advertising for keto/carnivore coaches here. Why don't you find out and then post it here?
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Raymond very much appreciates your free advertising of his business here and sharing where Getbiggers can find and contact him for his coaching services.
I don't know. You are the one doing the free advertising for keto/carnivore coaches here. Why don't you find out and then post it here?
They need the help given our resident keto cultist is too cheap to throw any money their way.
Guess he must have lost his savings in the stock markets again
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They need the help given our resident keto cultist is cheap to throw any money their way.
Guess he must have lost his savings in the stock markets again
That hurts my feelings.
Your recent posts make you much more of a keto cultist than The Keto Kid and I, as we're not the one doing the free advertising. Not sure what's your beef with me, but I don't care.
And not sure who you are referring to, but I'm neither cheap nor have I ever lost any money in the stock market, far from it.
I've always donated 10% or more of my gross income. And I'm a buy and hold index investor. So while others bail and sell low when the market is down, I just buy more shares while they're on sale. "In bear markets, stocks return to their rightful owners."
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That hurts my feelings.
Not sure what's your beef with me, but I don't care.
Keto-themed pun reported to moderators.
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Keto-themed pun reported to moderators.
You saw what I did there. :D
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That hurts my feelings.
Your recent posts make you much more of a keto cultist than The Keto Kid and I, as we're not the one doing the free advertising. Not sure what's your beef with me, but I don't care.
And not sure who you are referring to, but I'm neither cheap nor have I ever lost any money in the stock market, far from it.
I've always donated 10% or more of my gross income. And I'm a buy and hold index investor. So while others bail and sell low when the market is down, I just buy more shares while they're on sale. "In bear markets, stocks return to their rightful owners."
There is no beef on the subject. I'd actually say I'm strongly pro keto. I've utilized it myself and will continue to do so. I've also pushed others to try it.
I just don't like what I view as cultist style posts and will call it out. This isn't the only thread/subject I've done that. There is no personal beef, but that doesn't mean I can't be an asshole. This is getbig, it's mandatory.
FYI what you're doing is promoting people who also have something to sell. That's what makes you look like a cultist.
Me posting that those promoted individuals also have something to sell is what is called providing full disclosure.
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Veganism is an agenda pushed by the elites to make men weak and infertile. A society full of weak men is easier to control. When you see actors promoting stuff, stay away from it. Those people are paid to act 24/7. Fvck vegans and their soy latte.
I swear that for a split-second I read that as 'Vaginism'... (whatever the hell that it is..? Pussy-power ??? ;D)
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Some posters in this thread are getting downright porky.
Others are too chicken to comment.
A few are real turkeys.
One or two like to egg people on.
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I just don't like what I view as cultist style posts and will call it out. This isn't the only thread/subject I've done that.
Bravo! Your mother must be very proud. Good for you!
FYI what you're doing is promoting people who also have something to sell. That's what makes you look like a cultist.
No. Most of the people I have promoted here have lots of very helpful information they offer for free, information that has been very helpful and encouraging to me personally since I started this diet over two years ago.
I didn't start this thread. It was started by somebody else seeking information about this way of eating. I am simply sharing what has been helpful to me.
The only one looking like a cultist here is you, advertising their business and contact information for free. But please, go on. It's not hurting them or me.
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Some posters in this thread are getting downright porky.
Others are too chicken to comment.
A few are real turkeys.
One or two like to egg people on.
:D
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Bravo! Your mother must be very proud. Good for you!
No. Most of the people I have promoted here have lots of very helpful information they offer for free, information that has been very helpful and encouraging to me personally since I started this diet over two years ago.
I didn't start this thread. It was started by somebody else seeking information about this way of eating. I am simply sharing what has been helpful to me.
The only one looking like a cultist here is you, advertising their business and contact information for free. But please, go on. It's not hurting them or me.
More like the blind trying to lead the blind having read some of your posts.
You've been on the diet 2 years you say, so keto brain fog can't be the excuse why simple concepts still seem to escape you. But then again you are a keto cultist whose only defence is to call others a cultist when challenged.
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More like the blind trying to lead the blind having read some of your posts.
You've been on the diet 2 years you say, so keto brain fog can't be the excuse why simple concepts still seem to escape you. But then again you are a keto cultist whose only defence is to call others a cultist when challenged.
LOL...and what would these "simple concepts" be?
How long have you consistently been on a keto/carnivore diet? What have you learned on your journey about your own body on this diet and about this way of eating in general?
Please do share your personal experience and knowledge acquired during your journey.
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LOL...and what would these "simple concepts" be?
How long have you consistently been on a keto/carnivore diet? What have you learned on your journey about your own body on this diet and about this way of eating in general?
Please do share your personal experience and knowledge acquired during your journey.
There is no journey, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, there is no shangri la.
Only cultists need a "journey" and to make a diet out to be more than something it is.
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There is no journey, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, there is no shangri la.
Only cultists need a "journey" and to make a diet out to be more than something it is.
In other words, you have zero experience with this way of eating, zero to share, and zero knowledge about simple or complex concepts on this diet.
Very good!
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She put her multiple sclerosis and bipolar disorder in remission, got taken off all medications, and lost a lot of weight by eating 100% carnivore.
She eats 3/4 lb of beef steak and 3/4 lb beef fat every day, nothing else. That's around 4,200 calories per day, most of them from fat.
www.youtube.com/channel/UCtI0xRq3cuWGgB54FWpj0nw
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=677744.0;attach=1364685;image)
That big bowl of fat looks delicious!
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In other words, you have zero experience with this way of eating, zero to share, and zero knowledge about simple or complex concepts on this diet.
Very good!
This coming from the guy who yesterday didn't know anyone doing keto who wasn't trying to shill something.
Like all cultists your so called "keto journey" and " knowledge sharing" is more about seeking confirmation bias.
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This coming from the guy who yesterday didn't know anyone doing keto who wasn't trying to shill something.
Like all cultists your so called "keto journey" and " knowledge sharing" is more about seeking confirmation bias.
What are you whining about now? Where are those "simple concepts" you were just babbling about?
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HEINZ SENIOR
DIET A : 3 DAYS LOW CARBS
MEAL 1
OMELET 8 EGG WHITES, 1 YOLK, (FAT FREE CHEESE, FAT FREE TURKEY HAM, TURKEY BACON two times a week)
4 OZ OATMEAL + 1 OMEGAS 3
MEAL 2
2 ½ SCOOPS WHEY ISOLATE VPX CERO CARBS
1 SOY LECITINE , 2 VITAMIN C VITAMIN E
MEAL 3
8 Oz. TURKEY BREAST or CHICKEN or TILAPIA or SALMON
6 Oz. RICE OR BAKED POTATO
BIG SALAD (brócoli, Sparragus, green beans, Mushrooms) + 1 OMEGAS 3
MEAL 4
8 Oz. TURKEY BREAST or CHICKEN or TILAPIA or SALMON
BIG SALAD (brócoli, Sparragus, green beans, Mushrooms)
MEAL 5
8 Oz. TURKEY BREAST or CHICKEN or TILAPIA or SALMON
BIG SALAD (brócoli, Sparragus, green beans, Mushrooms)
MEAL 6
2 ½ SCOOPS WHEY ISOLATE VPX CERO CARBS + 1 OMEGA 3
30 GR RAW CASHEWS OR ALMONDS (NO SALT) ONCE A DAY WHEN YOU FEEL HUNGRY
Notes:
• DRINK A LOT OF WATER.
• DON’T FROGET TO EAT OR SKIP MEALS.
• IF YOU CANT EAT CHANGE THE SOLID MEAL FOR 1 SCOOP OF WHEY PROTEIN
• NO OILS, NO MILK DERIVATES (CHESSE OR MILK)
• USE PAM TO COOK YOUR FOOD
• YOU CAN USE SOYA SAUCE, PEPER, ONION OR GARLIC POWDER, MUSTARD KETSHUP OR BBQ SAUCE TO GET GOOD TASTE IN YOUR FOOD.
• TAKE DARK MATTER POSTWORKOUT SHAKE AFTER WORKOUT
• GLUTAMINE –SR MORNING 5 GR EVERY 12 HOURS
• TAKE A-BOMB
DIET B : 2 DAYS HIGH CARBS
MEAL 1
OMELET 8 EGG WHITES, 1 YOLK, (FAT FREE CHEESE, FAT FREE TURKEY HAM, TURKEY BACON two times a week)
4 OZ OATMEAL + 1 OMEGAS 3
MEAL 2
2 SCOOP PROBOLIC WHEY PROTEIN
4 OZ OATMEAL
1 SOY LECITINE , 2 VITAMIN C VITAMIN E
MEAL 3
8 Oz. TURKEY BREAST or CHICKEN or TILAPIA or SALMON
6 Oz. RICE OR BAKED POTATO
BIG SALAD (brócoli, Sparragus, green beans, Mushrooms) + 1 OMEGAS 3
MEAL 4
8 Oz. TURKEY BREAST or CHICKEN or TILAPIA or SALMON
4 Oz. RICE OR BAKED POTATO
BIG SALAD (brócoli, Sparragus, green beans, Mushrooms)
MEAL 5
8 Oz. TURKEY BREAST or CHICKEN or TILAPIA or SALMON
MEAL 6
2 SCOOP PROBOLIC WHEY PROTEIN + 1 OMEGA 3
30 GR RAW CASHEWS OR ALMONDS (NO SALT) ONCE A DAY WHEN YOU FEEL HUNGRY
Notes:
• DRINK A LOT OF WATER.
• DON’T FROGET TO EAT OR SKIP MEALS.
• IF YOU CANT EAT CHANGE THE SOLID MEAL FOR 1 SCOOP OF WHEY PROTEIN
• NO OILS, NO MILK DERIVATES (CHESSE OR MILK)
• USE PAM TO COOK YOUR FOOD
• YOU CAN USE SOYA SAUCE, PEPER, ONION OR GARLIC POWDER, MUSTARD KETSHUP OR BBQ SAUCE TO GET GOOD TASTE IN YOUR FOOD.
• TAKE DARK MATTER POSTWORKOUT SHAKE AFTER WORKOUT
• GLUTAMINE –SR MORNING 5 GR EVERY 12 HOURS
• TAKE A-BOMB
Heinz Senior IFBB Professional Bodybuilder.
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There is no journey, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, there is no shangri la.
Only cultists need a "journey" and to make a diet out to be more than something it is.
Keep in mind that Loco is a fundamentalist christian
For whatever reason they're not happy keeping their beliefs to themselves
They feel compelled to "evangelize"...in other words tell people that everything they are doing is wrong and they (the true believer) knows the only one true way to salvation/perfect health or whatever it is they are trying to convince you to believe.
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Keep in mind that Loco is a fundamentalist christian
For whatever reason they're not happy keeping their beliefs to themselves
They feel compelled to "evangelize"...in other words tell people that everything they are doing is wrong and they (the true believer) knows the only one true way to salvation/perfect health or whatever it is they are trying to convince you to believe.
That's very funny coming from you.
You have said multiple times in this thread that eating this way isn't for everyone, and I have agreed with you every time.
In another thread I said that a low fat, whole foods vegan diet can reverse type 2 diabetes just as well as this diet.
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Look just eat beef, eggs, bacon, raw milk(if you have access to it) for a month and see first hand how you feel, I believe everyone would be definitely surprised at how great they feel.
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That's very funny coming from you.
You have said multiple times in this thread that eating this way isn't for everyone, and I have agreed with you every time.
In another thread I said that a low fat, whole foods vegan diet can reverse type 2 diabetes just as well as this diet.
to be fair I haven't read all of your posts and I don't even remember most of them
If you've said that this is not for everyone then that's cool
you and I can agree on that and hopefully also that no diet is right for everyone
you are doing a bit of evangelizing (preach in the effort to convert) on this thread
There is a element of religious fervor in the people promoting this diet on the internet
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LOL...and what would these "simple concepts" be?
How long have you consistently been on a keto/carnivore diet? What have you learned on your journey about your own body on this diet and about this way of eating in general?
Please do share your personal experience and knowledge acquired during your journey.
I won't speak for Flexacon, but I was on a keto diet for a year, religiously. It works because of calorie restriction and because digesting protein is an energy intensive process. I also ended up with severe kidney stones, a condition that disappeared when I lowered my protein intake to 100g max a day. I had urine analysis several times that pinpointed the acidic condition caused by the breakdown of excessive protein. It's a real thing for some of us.
High protein and fat diets aren't miraculous- they can in fact lead to insulin resistance and diabetes, the very things keto acolytes claim they cure. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17699361/
I follow a calorie restricted balanced diet now and am just fine with it.
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Look just eat beef, eggs, bacon, raw milk(if you have access to it) for a month and see first hand how you feel, I believe everyone would be definitely surprised at how great they feel.
Raw milk is a joke. The reason Pasteurization was invented was because unless you are sucking off the udder, milk quickly goes bad and you end up with bacterial infections you wish you never had, lol. Yeah, I know- you drink super milk that no one else can get.
I was on a diet of beef, eggs, bacon, etc for a fucking year. i took in about 50 grams of carbs a day. I got tired of feeling like shit. Of course, if I gave it 10 more years I'd reverse age, feel like superman, yada yada yada.
I am happy you enjoy that diet- good on you. A lot of us think it is horseshit. Eat what you want. But this fucking keto religion is right up there with climate change and getting vaxxed, haha.
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to be fair I haven't read all of your posts and I don't even remember most of them
If you've said that this is not for everyone then that's cool
you and I can agree on that and hopefully also that no diet is right for everyone
you are doing a bit of evangelizing (preach in the effort to convert) on this thread
I'm not, but that's your opinion and you just proved your opinion is bias purely because of my Christian faith.
There is a element of religious fervor in the people promoting this diet on the internet
Agreed, this and other diets too. Not the first time you bring this up, and not the first time I've agreed.
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I'm not, but that's your opinion and you just proved your opinion is bias purely because of my Christian faith.
Agreed, this and other diets too. Not the first time you bring this up, and not the first time I've agreed.
it's based on your actions and what you're doing is evangelizing
it's not a pejorative
it's just a description of what you're doing
people evangelize a lot of things including religion
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Raw milk is a joke. The reason Pasteurization was invented was because unless you are sucking off the udder, milk quickly goes bad and you end up with bacterial infections you wish you never had, lol. Yeah, I know- you drink super milk that no one else can get.
I was on a diet of beef, eggs, bacon, etc for a fucking year. i took in about 50 grams of carbs a day. I got tired of feeling like shit. Of course, if I gave it 10 more years I'd reverse age, feel like superman, yada yada yada.
I am happy you enjoy that diet- good on you. A lot of us think it is horseshit. Eat what you want. But this fucking keto religion is right up there with climate change and getting vaxxed, haha.
Lol, what?? Ok my friend, do some research, you have a 1 and 11,000 chance of getting sick from drinking raw milk, you actually have a better probability of getting struck by lightning. Again do your thing, I'm not here to persuade anyone to do anything, just kicking some knowledge on the benefits of eating an ancestral appropriate diet.
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it's based on your actions and what you're doing is evangelizing
it's not a pejorative
it's just a description of what you're doing
people evangelize a lot of things including religion
Based on your actions, you are expressing your opinion of me which is biased purely based on my Christian faith.
I've already agreed multiple times that this diet isn't for everyone, and that it is a religion or tribe for some as it is with other diets and many other things such as politics, sports, etc. But you very conveniently don't remember any this.
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I won't speak for Flexacon, but I was on a keto diet for a year, religiously. It works because of calorie restriction and because digesting protein is an energy intensive process.
There is a lot more to why a keto diet works than just calorie restriction and protein digestion: Lower insulin levels, improved insulin sensitivity, switching from burning glucose to burning fat for energy, having more fat available for gluconeogenesis than just protein, protein sparing, appetite and cravings suppression, and other mechanism that are not yet fully understood but are currently being studied.
I also ended up with severe kidney stones, a condition that disappeared when I lowered my protein intake to 100g max a day. I had urine analysis several times that pinpointed the acidic condition caused by the breakdown of excessive protein. It's a real thing for some of us.
High protein and fat diets aren't miraculous
That wasn't a keto diet if it was high protein. A keto diet isn't a high protein diet. It's high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet. You can ingest enough protein to suppress ketone production. If your very low carb diet isn't getting you into and keeping you in ketosis because of a high protein intake, then it's not a keto diet.
High protein and fat diets aren't miraculous- they can in fact lead to insulin resistance and diabetes, the very things keto acolytes claim they cure. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17699361/
Nobody on this thread has claimed high protein diets are miraculous, and again a keto diet isn't a high protein diet. Any whole foods diet that doesn't mix moderate/high fat and moderate/high carbs will seem miraculous to anyone coming from a standard American diet full of processed foods.
The study you linked says that high protein diets can damage the kidneys. If that's true, this would be more of a warning to people following a bodybuilding diet than it is to people following a keto diet.
The same study says nothing about keto diets leading to insulin resistance in humans. Insulin resistance leads to diabetes, and keto diets have been shown many times to reverse diabetes in humans. High fat low carb diets were a standard diabetes treatment before medications were available:
"In the early 20th century, before any medications were available for the treatment of diabetes mellitus, experts recommended dietary carbohydrate-restriction [1,2]. The dietary recommendation for diabetes in a prominent internal medicine textbook from 1923 was 75% fat, 17% protein, 6% alcohol and only 2% carbohydrate [3]. The recommended total daily energy intake was 1,795 Calories per day. After the discovery of insulin and oral hypoglycemic medications, experts gradually changed the dietary recommendations to include more carbohydrate intake because most experts reasoned that the medications could be used to keep the glucose in control."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2315645/
I follow a calorie restricted balanced diet now and am just fine with it.
Glad you found what works for you.
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Based on your actions, you are expressing your opinion of me which is biased purely based on my Christian faith.
I've already agreed multiple times that this diet isn't for everyone, and that it is a religion or tribe for some as it is with other diets and many other things such as politics, sports, etc. But you very conveniently don't remember any this.
bullshit
stop being so paranoid
I stated earlier in this thread that for some people who are promoting this diet it seems to be their new religion. I didn't mention you.
I also said that there are many different sects of the carnivore religion and you agreed with me so stop being such a sensitive snowflake just because I've described your fervor for this diet as evangelizing.
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bullshit
stop being so paranoid
I stated earlier in this thread that for some people who are promoting this diet it seems to be their new religion. I didn't mention you.
I also said that there are many different sects of the carnivore religion and you agreed with me so stop being such a sensitive snowflake just because I've described your fervor for this diet as evangelizing.
BS
Keep in mind that Loco is a fundamentalist christian
For whatever reason they're not happy keeping their beliefs to themselves
They feel compelled to "evangelize"...in other words tell people that everything they are doing is wrong and they (the true believer) knows the only one true way to salvation/perfect health or whatever it is they are trying to convince you to believe.
to be fair I haven't read all of your posts and I don't even remember most of them
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Strawzy is a atheist Commie.
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She put her multiple sclerosis and bipolar disorder in remission, got taken off all medications, and lost a lot of weight by eating 100% carnivore.
She eats 3/4 lb of beef steak and 3/4 lb beef fat every day, nothing else. That's around 4,200 calories per day, most of them from fat.
www.youtube.com/channel/UCtI0xRq3cuWGgB54FWpj0nw
This broad literally eats a bowl of beef-fat chunks with a fork? That's disgusting, I'd vomit for sure.
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BS
believe whatever you want
feigning grievance seems to be a common reaction from you at times
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I won't speak for Flexacon, but I was on a keto diet for a year, religiously. It works because of calorie restriction and because digesting protein is an energy intensive process. I also ended up with severe kidney stones, a condition that disappeared when I lowered my protein intake to 100g max a day. I had urine analysis several times that pinpointed the acidic condition caused by the breakdown of excessive protein. It's a real thing for some of us.
High protein and fat diets aren't miraculous- they can in fact lead to insulin resistance and diabetes, the very things keto acolytes claim they cure. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17699361/
I follow a calorie restricted balanced diet now and am just fine with it.
Take a teaspoon of potassium citrate mixed with 2 litres of water and drink throughout the day
It neutralises thre acidity
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This broad literally eats a bowl of beef-fat chunks with a fork? That's disgusting, I'd vomit for sure.
She enjoys her beef steak and beef fat, but what she enjoys most is having her health and her life back and staying off medications.
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I suspect her health issues were more from being morbidly obese than from not eating enough beef and fat chunks, but I'm just speculating.
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She enjoys her beef steak and beef fat, but what she enjoys most is having her health and her life back and staying off medications.
Preach Brother Loco
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She enjoys her beef steak and beef fat, but what she enjoys most is having her health and her life back and staying off medications.
Is she fucking again?
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I suspect her health issues were more from being morbidly obese than from not eating enough beef and fat chunks, but I'm just speculating.
No, it's the fat chunks. Have you not seen her social media and pictures? Have some faith brother
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It's all about eating dat dere animal fat
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I suspect her health issues were more from being morbidly obese than from not eating enough beef and fat chunks, but I'm just speculating.
It's possible, but I'm not aware that obesity causes multiple sclerosis or bipolar disorder. Plenty of skinny people suffer from these.
Then there's something about eating animal protein, saturated fat, and cholesterol that seems to improve symptoms of autoimmune disorders, mental illness, and other neurological disorders.
Based on current research, we propose that mitochondrial abnormalities are involved in the development and progression of multiple sclerosis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2790545/
Carnitines are involved in mitochondrial transport of fatty acids and are of critical importance for maintaining normal mitochondrial function.
The main dietary sources of carnitine are red meat, fish, and dairy products
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2905823/
Dietary cholesterol promotes repair of demyelinated lesions in the adult brain
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14241
Uric acid levels in MS patients are lower than in controls and in patients with active disease lower than in MS patients in remission. Inosine, a uric acid precursor, can be used to raise uric acid levels in serum and may provide some benefit in MS patients.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15493114/
Keto microbiota: A powerful contributor to host disease recovery
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6938789/
Emerging data suggest a possible therapeutic utilization of ketogenic diets in multiple neurological disorders apart from epilepsy, including head ache, neurotrauma, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease, sleep disorders, brain cancer, autism and multiple sclerosis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826507/
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It's possible, but I'm not aware that obesity causes Multiple sclerosis or Bipolar disorder. Plenty of skinny people suffer from these.
You could try looking into it rather than only looking for things that reinforce your bias:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=obesity+multiple+sclerosis&btnG=&oq=obesity+mult
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=obesity+bipolar+disorder&btnG=&oq=obesity+bip
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You could try looking into it rather than only looking for things that reinforce your bias:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=obesity+multiple+sclerosis&btnG=&oq=obesity+mult
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C21&q=obesity+bipolar+disorder&btnG=&oq=obesity+bip
Of course obesity worsens these and other health conditions, but it doesn't follow that it causes these conditions and it doesn't explain the many skinny people who suffer from these conditions too.
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Of course obesity worsens these and other health conditions, but it doesn't follow that it causes these conditions and it doesn't explain the many skinny people who suffer from these conditions too.
Many obese people also don't have heart disease or osteoarthritis, so by your logic obesity doesn't "cause" those things either, or anything. It's all about the bowl of beef fat chunks!
There's also no way you read anything I posted up there so quickly, again you're just interested in reinforcing your bias. There's plenty of compelling evidence that obesity plays a causal role in these things.
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Many obese people also don't have heart disease or osteoarthritis, so by your logic obesity doesn't "cause" those things either, or anything. It's all about the bowl of beef fat chunks!
There's also no way you read anything I posted up there so quickly, again you're just interested in reinforcing your bias. There's plenty of compelling evidence that obesity plays a causal role in these things.
That's not what I said.
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I wonder how Dr. Baker out lifted Stan Efferding at Mark Bells gym, all the while being natty with test levels in the 200s while Stan is "enhanced " 🤔
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I wonder how Dr. Baker out lifted Stan Efferding at Mark Bells gym, all the while being natty with test levels in the 200s while Stan is "enhanced " 🤔
You mean their trap bar for reps thing
I can think of a lot of reason why Baker did better - and the primary one is that Baker trains that lift for reps and Efferding likely doesn't. There are many other potential reasons which I'm sure you know
What does that have to do with the video that I posted ?
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You mean their trap bar for reps thing
I can think of a lot of reason why Baker did better - and the primary one is that Baker trains that lift for reps and Efferding likely doesn't. There are many other potential reasons which I'm sure you know
What does that have to do with the video that I posted ?
Because test levels really don't necessarily =muscle or strength. However this is coming from a guy on trt lol.
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Saturated Fat: New Research (2020 - 2022)
SFA = Saturated Fatty Acids
CHD = Coronary Heart Disease
CVD = Cardiovascular Disease
DGAC = Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committees
American College of Cardiology
2020 Aug
"The dietary recommendation to reduce intake of SFAs without considering specific fatty acids and food sources is not aligned with the current evidence base. As such, it may distract from other more effective food-based recommendations, and may also cause a reduction in the intake of nutrient-dense foods (e.g., dairy, unprocessed meat) that may help decrease not only the risk of CVD, type 2 diabetes, and other noncommunicable diseases, but also malnutrition, deficiency diseases, and frailty, particularly among “at-risk” groups. Furthermore, based on several decades of experience, a focus on total SFAs has had the unintended effect of misleadingly guiding governments, consumers, and industry toward foods low in SFAs but rich in refined starch and sugar. All guidelines should consider the types of fatty acids and, more importantly, the diverse foods containing SFAs, which may possess harmful, neutral, or even beneficial effects in relation to major health outcomes (Central Illustration). We strongly recommend a more food-based translation of how to achieve a healthy diet and reconsidering the guidelines on reduction in total SFAs."
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2020.05.077?_ga=2.206016273.380849671.1652355392-50439297.1652355392
The British Medical Journal
11 Sep 2021
"In middle-aged Australian women, moderate carbohydrate intake (41.0%–44.3% of TEI) was associated with the lowest risk of CVD, without an effect on total mortality. Increasing saturated fat intake was not associated with CVD or mortality and instead correlated with lower rates of diabetes, hypertension and obesity."
https://heart.bmj.com/content/early/2022/04/25/heartjnl-2021-319654
U.S. National Institutes of Health's National Library of Medicine
2021 Oct
"Multiple reviews of the evidence have demonstrated that a recommendation to limit consumption of saturated fats to no more than 10% of total calories is not supported by rigorous scientific studies. Importantly, neither this guideline, nor that for replacing saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats, considers the central issue of the health effects of differing food sources of these fats. The 2020 DGAC review that recommends continuing these recommendations has, in our view, not met the standard of “the preponderance of the evidence” for this decision."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8541481/
American Heart Association
19 Nov 2021
"This observational study found no strong associations of total fatty acids, SFAs, monounsaturated fatty acids, and polyunsaturated fatty acids, with incident CHD. By contrast, we found associations of SFAs with CHD in opposite directions dependent on the food source."
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/JAHA.120.019814
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
1, January 2022
"A low-carbohydrate diet, high in saturated fat, improved insulin-resistant dyslipoproteinemia and lipoprotein(a), without adverse effect on LDL cholesterol. Carbohydrate restriction might lower CVD risk independently of body weight, a possibility that warrants study in major multicentered trials powered on hard outcomes."
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/115/1/154/6369072
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Carnivore diet is about longevity
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Zach Bitter Is the 100-mile American Record Holder. He Also Eats Almost No Carbs.
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In December 2015, Zach Bitter ran exactly 402.5 laps around the track at the Desert Solstice Invitational. At the end of the 100 miles, he had not only bested the previous American record by six-and-a-half minutes, but also maintained an astonishing seven-minute mile pace for almost the entirety of the 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 55 seconds.
What’s even more surprising, though, is that Bitter trains and competes on almost no carbs. At times, carbs account for as little as 5% of his diet—and Bitter insists that even we non-endurance record-holders can do the same.
Did you start to feel better?
Absolutely. The inflammation went away really quickly, and within a month I was sleeping way better, like getting through the night. And I noticed that my energy levels were consistent throughout the day.
But you’re working out for 20 hours a week. You aren’t nervous about losing too much weight or “bonking”?
That’s another misconception with the high-fat diet. Some people say, “Well, I’m skinny. I can’t afford to do that.” That’s misleading, really. If you do the math, even the leanest athletes you see out there—who are, like, 4–5% body fat—have enough body fat to last them for a long endurance event. If you teach your body to metabolize fat when energy levels start to dip, then your body can turn to that fat as a fuel source.
What does a typical day of eating look like for you?
For breakfast, instead of having cereal or oatmeal, I’ll have eggs and bacon with maybe some spinach. Lunch is usually a Cobb salad, and my favorite dinner is a tri-tip steak or something like that.
https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs/
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Zach Bitter Is the 100-mile American Record Holder. He Also Eats Almost No Carbs.
(https://www.mensjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/mf/1280-zach-bitter.jpg?w=900&h=506&crop=1&quality=78&strip=all)
In December 2015, Zach Bitter ran exactly 402.5 laps around the track at the Desert Solstice Invitational. At the end of the 100 miles, he had not only bested the previous American record by six-and-a-half minutes, but also maintained an astonishing seven-minute mile pace for almost the entirety of the 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 55 seconds.
What’s even more surprising, though, is that Bitter trains and competes on almost no carbs. At times, carbs account for as little as 5% of his diet—and Bitter insists that even we non-endurance record-holders can do the same.
Did you start to feel better?
Absolutely. The inflammation went away really quickly, and within a month I was sleeping way better, like getting through the night. And I noticed that my energy levels were consistent throughout the day.
But you’re working out for 20 hours a week. You aren’t nervous about losing too much weight or “bonking”?
That’s another misconception with the high-fat diet. Some people say, “Well, I’m skinny. I can’t afford to do that.” That’s misleading, really. If you do the math, even the leanest athletes you see out there—who are, like, 4–5% body fat—have enough body fat to last them for a long endurance event. If you teach your body to metabolize fat when energy levels start to dip, then your body can turn to that fat as a fuel source.
What does a typical day of eating look like for you?
For breakfast, instead of having cereal or oatmeal, I’ll have eggs and bacon with maybe some spinach. Lunch is usually a Cobb salad, and my favorite dinner is a tri-tip steak or something like that.
https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs/
u cant think on low carbs and what a waste of energy and time because he will be sitting on his ass for a week after that run
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If you skip the carbs you may not live longer but you'll look better in your casket, and that's a win.
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Zach Bitter Is the 100-mile American Record Holder. He Also Eats Almost No Carbs.
What’s even more surprising, though, is that Bitter trains and competes on almost no carbs. At times, carbs account for as little as 5% of his diet—and Bitter insists that even we non-endurance record-holders can do the same.
Surely you can't be that naive.
Anyway do you want to buy a bridge?
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If you skip the carbs you may not live longer but you'll look better in your casket, and that's a win.
Ketogenic diet reduces mid-life mortality and improves memory in aging mice
"The possible mechanisms of KD in longevity (and cognition) include effects of the low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet composition as well as activities of BHB itself. The former include reduced insulin and IGF signaling, reduced protein synthesis, and suppression of TOR activation."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5605815/
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Surely you can't be that naive.
Anyway do you want to buy a bridge?
Marathon runner I used to know ran his best time on zero carbs
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Surely you can't be that naive.
Anyway do you want to buy a bridge?
Metabolic characteristics of keto-adapted ultra-endurance runners
"Compared to highly trained ultra-endurance athletes consuming an HC diet, long-term keto-adaptation results in extraordinarily high rates of fat oxidation, whereas muscle glycogen utilization and repletion patterns during and after a 3 hour run are similar."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26892521/
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So let me get this straight..... I've heard arguments for carbs, fats, and proteins.
So......it boils down to the individual. I should start charging for my advice.
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Marathon runner I used to know ran his best time on zero carbs
Metabolic characteristics of keto-adapted ultra-endurance runners
"Compared to highly trained ultra-endurance athletes consuming an HC diet, long-term keto-adaptation results in extraordinarily high rates of fat oxidation, whereas muscle glycogen utilization and repletion patterns during and after a 3 hour run are similar."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26892521/
Send me your emails. My Nigerian friend who is also a prince wants to get in touch with you both.
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Send me your emails. My Nigerian friend who is also a prince wants to get in touch with you both.
Look, guy had no reason to lie to me
I dont know how long he was on low carbs or how many carbs he normally ate before his runs.
Fact remains he told me he ran his best time on no carbs
I couldnt care less how many studies you pull up or citations you make
It doesnt make my story any less true
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I dont know how long he was on low carbs or how many carbs he normally ate before his runs.
It's this.
Yes he could have been doing keto/no carbs for a long period of time, but he would have utilized carbs at some point for training and/or competition.
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how many carbs he normally ate before his runs.
This made me think of Bhanky who often has the runs.
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Nothing matters.... what you eat does not matter one bit...
Genetics > lifestyle
each and every time
Look at all the 100+ year olds... eat bread, pasta, rice, meat, ice cream, candy,... whatever..... all drank alcohol and a ton smoke...
Genetics > lifestyle
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Nothing matters.... what you eat does not matter one bit...
Genetics > lifestyle
each and every time
Look at all the 100+ year olds... eat bread, pasta, rice, meat, ice cream, candy,... whatever..... all drank alcohol and a ton smoke...
Genetics > lifestyle
The people you are reffering to lived in scarcity. Ate little food due to poverty. They were practically fasting half of their lives and were more resiliant to the elements.
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Nothing matters.... what you eat does not matter one bit...
eat shit, don't vote
got it
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eat shit, don't vote
got it
yes.. the powers that be have already chosen your next leader and genetics tops all
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The people you are reffering to lived in scarcity. Ate little food due to poverty. They were practically fasting half of their lives and were more resiliant to the elements.
No, all the people I know who have lived past 80 do not live in scarcity at all. Diet is not nearly as important for longevity as we've been told as long as you aren't obese.
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No, all the people I know who have lived past 80 do not live in scarcity at all. Diet is not nearly as important for longevity as we've been told as long as you aren't obese.
Most of the people who lived to be 100 years old lived in scarcity in their younger years and had it rough when growing up. The tougher you have it when growing up the more resiliant you become.
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Most of the people who lived to be 100 years old lived in scarcity in their younger years and had it rough when growing up. The tougher you have it when growing up the more resiliant you become.
Until a bus hits you. None of us die on our own terms.
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Until a bus hits you. None of us die on our own terms.
Suicide?
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Most of the people who lived to be 100 years old lived in scarcity in their younger years and had it rough when growing up. The tougher you have it when growing up the more resiliant you become.
Not when it comes to physical health. Malnourishment, burning yourself out through work, hard labour, poor living conditions etc cause irreversible damage to a persons health.
Most people who live to 100 grew up in comfort, lived sensibly and have a very comfortable and active retirement.
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have a very comfortable and active retirement.
never stop moving, high social interaction, etc
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Call it luck.
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Most of the people who lived to be 100 years old lived in scarcity in their younger years and had it rough when growing up. The tougher you have it when growing up the more resiliant you become.
How do you know this?
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What Did Marilyn Monroe Eat?
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‘Breakfast. I’ve been told that my eating habits are absolutely bizarre, but I don’t think so. Before I take my morning shower, I start warming a cup of milk on the hot plate I keep in my hotel room. When it’s hot, I break two raw eggs into the milk, whip them up with a fork, and drink them while I’m dressing. I supplement this with a multi-vitamin pill, and I doubt if any doctor could recommend a more nourishing breakfast for a working girl in a hurry.
Dinner. My dinners at home are startlingly simple. Every night I stop at the market near my hotel and pick up a steak, lamb chops or some liver, which I broil in the electric oven in my room. I usually eat four or five raw carrots with my meat, and that is all.
https://crfashionbook.com/celebrity-a9146775-marilyn-monroe-diet/
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Marilyn Monroe is just like Madonna of today. Except Madonna had talent outside of the bedroom, and didn't Fuck around with Presidents and family. Ms. Monroe got cancelled for real.
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Monroe ate lots of dick.
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‘Breakfast. I’ve been told that my eating habits are absolutely bizarre, but I don’t think so. Before I take my morning shower, I start warming a cup of milk on the hot plate I keep in my hotel room. When it’s hot, I break two raw eggs into the milk, whip them up with a fork, and drink them while I’m dressing. I supplement this with a multi-vitamin pill, and I doubt if any doctor could recommend a more nourishing breakfast for a working girl in a hurry.
You can be pretty sure she had no issues swallowing a fresh load.
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Monroe ate lots of dick.
You can be pretty sure she had no issues swallowing a fresh load.
(https://www.finedininglovers.com/sites/g/files/xknfdk626/files/styles/im_landscape_100/public/Original_2220_marilyn-hotdog--1-.jpg.webp)
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If you can not get the major killer diseases (heart disease, cancer, diabetes, dementia) and avoid accidents you will likely live a very, very long time.
The people who live to 100 usually do nothing special as far as diet, exercise, etc.
It's a DNA crapshoot.
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If you can not get the major killer diseases (heart disease, cancer, diabetes, dementia) and avoid accidents you will likely live a very, very long time.
The people who live to 100 usually do nothing special as far as diet, exercise, etc.
It's a DNA crapshoot.
At least this one study seems to suggest it's not all genetics, and that environment can play a big part. Two groups, same genes, different environments:
Indianapolis Ibadan Epidemiological Study of Dementia
"The project enrolled community-dwelling elderly (age > 65 years) African Americans living in Indianapolis and Yoruba living in Ibadan, Nigeria, employing the same research design, methods, and investigators.
In genetic studies, the frequency of the APOE ε4 allele was about the same in the two groups, but there was a differential effect of APOE ε4 on Alzheimer’s disease risk between the two cohorts with the APOEe4 risk being much weaker in Yoruba. A major conclusion of the study was that the environment, particularly factors which increased risk for cardiovascular disease also play a major role in the etiology of dementia/Alzheimer Disease and are potentially preventable."
https://iidpportal.medicine.iu.edu/about/study-history.html
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At least this one study seems to suggest it's not all genetics, and that environment can play a big part. Two groups, same genes, different environments:
Indianapolis Ibadan Epidemiological Study of Dementia
"The project enrolled community-dwelling elderly (age > 65 years) African Americans living in Indianapolis and Yoruba living in Ibadan, Nigeria, employing the same research design, methods, and investigators.
In genetic studies, the frequency of the APOE ε4 allele was about the same in the two groups, but there was a differential effect of APOE ε4 on Alzheimer’s disease risk between the two cohorts with the APOEe4 risk being much weaker in Yoruba. A major conclusion of the study was that the environment, particularly factors which increased risk for cardiovascular disease also play a major role in the etiology of dementia/Alzheimer Disease and are potentially preventable."
https://iidpportal.medicine.iu.edu/about/study-history.html
Alzheimers/dementia is one of the bad things you'd have to miss out on for sure.
A recent study indicated a possible relation of alzheimers to eating highly processed foods.
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I’m skeptical of it as I am with all diets with a title. Vegan, carnivore, keto, Atkins, intermittent gassing, people take them on and shizam: they never get sick, never have a tummy ache or headache, insomnia is resolved, their mental clarity skyrockets, they become a sexual dynamo, have more endurance, build more muscle, their skin clears up, and on and on.
In the case of vegans, they become unhealthy. In the cases of others, there’s no proof their way of eating is healthier than people who eat more varied diets with healthy foods.
It’s all mostly BS.
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I literally cant....
But I will. Stop eating like slobs, and workout.
My services are free.
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I’m skeptical of it as I am with all diets with a title. Vegan, carnivore, keto, Atkins, intermittent gassing, people take them on and shizam: they never get sick, never have a tummy ache or headache, insomnia is resolved, their mental clarity skyrockets, they become a sexual dynamo, have more endurance, build more muscle, their skin clears up, and on and on.
In the case of vegans, they become unhealthy. In the cases of others, there’s no proof their way of eating is healthier than people who eat more varied diets with healthy foods.
It’s all mostly BS.
Dieticians need to make a living.
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Eat it before it eats you.
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i did it for a while... decent improvements to health and performance, but unsustainable. right now i am doing a carb cycling diet, which is more sustainable and had mostly the same benefits for me:
days 1 - 3: <100g carb. main meals meat and vegetable stir fry. i also regularly eat protein bars, or a protein shake with whey, banana, peanut butter, spinach, and water. the other carbs come from vegetables (minimal), some breading on the meat occasionally, and a piece of fruit or two.
day 4: whatever i want, but make sure to get lots of carbs. i usually add a whole pound of pasta to my meat/veg stir fry. may add some deserts if im feeling like it.
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i did it for a while... decent improvements to health and performance, but unsustainable. right now i am doing a carb cycling diet, which is more sustainable and had mostly the same benefits for me:
days 1 - 3: <100g carb. main meals meat and vegetable stir fry. i also regularly eat protein bars, or a protein shake with whey, banana, peanut butter, spinach, and water. the other carbs come from vegetables (minimal), some breading on the meat occasionally, and a piece of fruit or two.
day 4: whatever i want, but make sure to get lots of carbs. i usually add a whole pound of pasta to my meat/veg stir fry. may add some deserts if im feeling like it.
Has this had any positive effects on your bloodwork?
I eat mainly carnivore/very low carb M-F.
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i did it for a while... decent improvements to health and performance, but unsustainable. right now i am doing a carb cycling diet, which is more sustainable and had mostly the same benefits for me:
days 1 - 3: <100g carb. main meals meat and vegetable stir fry. i also regularly eat protein bars, or a protein shake with whey, banana, peanut butter, spinach, and water. the other carbs come from vegetables (minimal), some breading on the meat occasionally, and a piece of fruit or two.
day 4: whatever i want, but make sure to get lots of carbs. i usually add a whole pound of pasta to my meat/veg stir fry. may add some deserts if im feeling like it.
Glad you found something that works for you and that you can sustain long term!
I've been on a carnivore diet consistently for over 3 years. So far I don't see any reason to stop eating this way.
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Has this had any positive effects on your bloodwork?
I eat mainly carnivore/very low carb M-F.
not sure, haven't done it in years... i do know that my cholesterol changes with diet, contrary to what some may think.
that sounds like a good diet.
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i did it for a while... decent improvements to health and performance, but unsustainable. right now i am doing a carb cycling diet, which is more sustainable and had mostly the same benefits for me:
days 1 - 3: <100g carb. main meals meat and vegetable stir fry. i also regularly eat protein bars, or a protein shake with whey, banana, peanut butter, spinach, and water. the other carbs come from vegetables (minimal), some breading on the meat occasionally, and a piece of fruit or two.
day 4: whatever i want, but make sure to get lots of carbs. i usually add a whole pound of pasta to my meat/veg stir fry. may add some deserts if im feeling like it.
Similar to the anabolic diet.
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Lionel Messi and Argentina carnivores take 6,000lbs of meat to Qatar for juicy BBQs
November 18, 2022
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Argentina's World Cup squad have been outed as the competition’s largest carnivores after it emerged they plan to get through nearly 6,000 pounds of meat in Qatar.
It was reported on Thursday (November 19) Lionel Messi and his teammates were staying at “student digs” so they could enjoy traditional beef barbecues.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/argentina-meat-world-cup-messi-28527147
Argentina beats France to win the 2022 World Cup
December 19, 2022
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The 2022 World Cup came to an end Sunday, with Argentina as the victors.
https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/12/19/1144086232/argentina-wins-world-cup-final-photos
Lionel Messi's 2022 World Cup: Argentina's superstar is having the best international tournament of his career
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At the age of 35, Lionel Messi has been arguably the best player at the 2022 World Cup.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/lionel-messi-at-the-2022-world-cup-argentinas-superstar-is-having-the-best-international-tournament-of-his-c/
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Deadpool 2023. :-X
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Glad you found something that works for you and that you can sustain long term!
I've been on a carnivore diet consistently for over 3 years. So far I don't see any reason to stop eating this way.
You thought of adding fruit in like that youtube dr guy (saldino I think)?
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You thought of adding fruit in like that youtube dr guy (saldino I think)?
No, haven't had fruits or vegetables for 3 years, and I see no reason to start now. My physical and mental health have improved tremendously, to the point my skeptic doctors are beginning to become believers, one of many reasons why I'm able to sustain this way of eating long term. My fear of going back to being in poor health is much stronger than any temptation to eat carbs again.
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how does anyone ever "Cut" on a carnivore diet
nobody I have ever seen doing keto of any kind is able to get sub 10% bodyfat imo
there's a reason all stage competitors cycle carbs for macros to get shredded
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how does anyone ever "Cut" on a carnivore diet
nobody I have ever seen doing keto of any kind is able to get sub 10% bodyfat imo
there's a reason all stage competitors cycle carbs for macros to get shredded
People go on a keto/carnivore diet to lose fat and/or improve health. If a person is doing drugs, why would they go on a keto diet for a bodybuilding contest?
Haven't heard yet of anyone using a keto diet as a bodybuilding pre-contest diet.
I personally have lost 30 pounds of body fat while maintaining muscle, without even trying and without cardio training. The first 20 pounds came off in the first 6 months. The last 10 pounds took a lot longer. I'm not sure this would work as a 3 to 4 month pre-contest diet.
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People go on a keto/carnivore diet to lose fat and/or improve health. If a person is doing drugs, why would they go on a keto diet for a bodybuilding contest?
Haven't heard yet of anyone using a keto diet as a bodybuilding pre-contest diet.
I personally have lost 30 pounds of body fat while maintaining muscle, without even trying and without cardio training. The first 20 pounds came off in the first 6 months. The last 10 pounds took a lot longer. I'm not sure this would work as a 3 to 4 month pre-contest diet.
makes sense thanks
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No, haven't had fruits or vegetables for 3 years, and I see no reason to start now. My physical and mental health have improved tremendously, to the point my skeptic doctors are beginning to become believers, one of many reasons why I'm able to sustain this way of eating long term. My fear of going back to being in poor health is much stronger than any temptation to eat carbs again.
I honestly think the carnivore advocates who starting lobbying for adding fruit and vegetables are just sick of eating meat.
Seems too convenient = meaning, if carnivore was everything they thought it was, why change?
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makes sense thanks
You are welcome!
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Eating a low carb diet is where is at
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I honestly think the carnivore advocates who starting lobbying for adding fruit and vegetables are just sick of eating meat.
Seems too convenient = meaning, if carnivore was everything they thought it was, why change?
I agree, and I thought the same about Saladino. I think he just has a sweet tooth and won't admit it. He eats honey too everyday.
He claims he didn't feel his best on carnivore alone, but if that's true I believe he wasn't consuming enough fat and he was consuming too many organ meats. He probably overdosed on vitamin A and on some minerals.
Besides, if you add fruits and vegetables, it's no longer a carnivore diet. It's a Paleo diet. People can eat whatever they want, but let's be honest and call it what it is.
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I agree, and I thought the same about Saladino. I think he just has a sweet tooth and won't admit it. He eats honey too everyday.
He claims he didn't feel his best on carnivore alone, but if that's true I believe he wasn't consuming enough fat and he was consuming too many organ meats. He probably overdosed on vitamin A and on some minerals.
Besides, if you add fruits and vegetables, it's no longer a carnivore diet. It's a Paleo diet. People can eat whatever they want, but let's be honest and call it what it is.
Tbh I eat the Anabolic diet, it's Monday through Friday basically a zero carb diet (you can have 30-50 grams of carbs though) and the weekend is to carb up
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Tbh I eat the Anabolic diet, it's Monday through Friday basically a zero carb diet (you can have 30-50 grams of carbs though) and the weekend is to carb up
Mauro DiPasquale wrote some great books...
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Mauro DiPasquale wrote some great books...
Yes, he knew his stuff and was a powerlifting champion himself. His ideas weren't new though, he learned his stuff from others, from the past
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I believe go4it used carnivore and keto for his preps
Trestaco used keto as well
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Eating a low carb diet is where is at
Brutal if true.
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Humans were apex predators for two million years, study finds
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"Archaeological evidence does not overlook the fact that stone-age humans also consumed plants," adds Dr. Ben-Dor. "But according to the findings of this study plants only became a major component of the human diet toward the end of the era."
"Our study addresses a very great current controversy -- both scientific and non-scientific," says Prof. Barkai. "For many people today, the Paleolithic diet is a critical issue, not only with regard to the past, but also concerning the present and future. It is hard to convince a devout vegetarian that his/her ancestors were not vegetarians, and people tend to confuse personal beliefs with scientific reality. Our study is both multidisciplinary and interdisciplinary. We propose a picture that is unprecedented in its inclusiveness and breadth, which clearly shows that humans were initially apex predators, who specialized in hunting large animals.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210405113606.htm
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how does anyone ever "Cut" on a carnivore diet
nobody I have ever seen doing keto of any kind is able to get sub 10% bodyfat imo
there's a reason all stage competitors cycle carbs for macros to get shredded
A carnivore is not just meat. It includes eggs and also other no carb animal sourced foods.
Vince Gironda used mainly meat with a cheat day but basically keto.
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Arnold also used a meat only diet to get ripped back in the 70s. Small salad allowed.
A zero carb diet was the go-to way bb's got ripped back then using ketosis.
He sold this booklet utilizing a "meat" only diet.
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A carnivore is not just meat. It includes eggs and also other no carb animal sourced foods.
Vince Gironda used mainly meat with a cheat day but basically keto.
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Arnold also used a meat only diet to get ripped back in the 70s. Small salad allowed.
A zero carb diet was the go-to way bb's got ripped back then using ketosis.
He sold this booklet utilizing a "meat" only diet.
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I'm toying with trying keto for real....but I think I might do the Girdona approach.
Any time i've gone lower carb for any amount of time, I feel flat and stringy....maybe need to just plow through it, but the Gironda diet may prevent by having the feed day
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A carnivore is not just meat. It includes eggs and also other no carb animal sourced foods.
Vince Gironda used mainly meat with a cheat day but basically keto.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/56/d2/e256d2971e3c6ee10aa4f5667531354c.png)
Arnold also used a meat only diet to get ripped back in the 70s. Small salad allowed.
A zero carb diet was the go-to way bb's got ripped back then using ketosis.
He sold this booklet utilizing a "meat" only diet.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51A3%2Bn%2BzWEL._SL500_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Vince was on to something albeit Vonderplanitz honed this approach to perfection.
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The brain gets it's energy from carbs.
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The brain gets it's energy from carbs.
Not carbs but glucose, which is still produced even if you eat zero carbs.
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The brain gets it's energy from carbs.
"Although much feared by clinicians, the ability to produce ketones has allowed humans to withstand prolonged periods of starvation. At such times, ketones can supply up to 50% of basal energy requirements. More interesting, however, is the fact that ketones can provide as much as 70% of the brain's energy needs, more efficiently than glucose. Studies suggest that during times of acute brain injury, cerebral uptake of ketones increases significantly."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219306/
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Tbh we humans don't need carbs at all, but if you wanna pig out on chip'ahoy cookies, be my guest
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"Although much feared by clinicians, the ability to produce ketones has allowed humans to withstand prolonged periods of starvation. At such times, ketones can supply up to 50% of basal energy requirements. More interesting, however, is the fact that ketones can provide as much as 70% of the brain's energy needs, more efficiently than glucose. Studies suggest that during times of acute brain injury, cerebral uptake of ketones increases significantly."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219306/
Yeah, apparently the brain functions very sharply on ketones
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Yeah, apparently the brain functions very sharply on ketones
Yup.
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Yeah, apparently the brain functions very sharply on ketones
I dropped the keto diet about 4 or 5 months ago. Everything has been carbs and protein since then: chicken +rice, chicken +potatoes fish + pasta etc etc. At first it worked great.
NowI think im gonna go back to keto soon. 1) I am hungry ALL the fucking time eating carbs 2) my joints hurt quite a bit more (when I first switched to keto 6 years ago the first thing i noticed was my joints felt great) 3) energy levels are lower- but on the plus side i sleep better eating carbs as opposed to fats on keto diet my energy was boundless) and brain fog is definitely worse, felt pretty sharp on keto.
So I guess I'll stick with what works.
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I dropped the keto diet about 4 or 5 months ago. Everything has been carbs and protein since then: chicken +rice, chicken +potatoes fish + pasta etc etc. At first it worked great.
NowI think im gonna go back to keto soon. 1) I am hungry ALL the fucking time eating carbs 2) my joints hurt quite a bit more (when I first switched to keto 6 years ago the first thing i noticed was my joints felt great) 3) energy levels are lower- but on the plus side i sleep better eating carbs as opposed to fats on keto diet my energy was boundless) and brain fog is definitely worse, felt pretty sharp on keto.
So I guess I'll stick with what works.
An occasional cheat day won't kill you.
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I dropped the keto diet about 4 or 5 months ago. Everything has been carbs and protein since then: chicken +rice, chicken +potatoes fish + pasta etc etc. At first it worked great.
NowI think im gonna go back to keto soon. 1) I am hungry ALL the fucking time eating carbs 2) my joints hurt quite a bit more (when I first switched to keto 6 years ago the first thing i noticed was my joints felt great) 3) energy levels are lower- but on the plus side i sleep better eating carbs as opposed to fats on keto diet my energy was boundless) and brain fog is definitely worse, felt pretty sharp on keto.
So I guess I'll stick with what works.
My nikka
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My nikka
Shut up pamith
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Shut up pamith
LMFAO
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Most unhealthy, unethical and nonsensical diet there is.
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Most unhealthy, unethical and nonsensical diet there is.
fuck off with your woke bullshit
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Most unhealthy, unethical and nonsensical diet there is.
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Ah, the tearing of the flesh...the blood...
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Ah, the tearing of the flesh...the blood...
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More tender and tasty when cooked, in my opinion.
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More tender and tasty when cooked, in my opinion.
Tastes like chicken.
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Most unhealthy, unethical and nonsensical diet there is.
Why is that?
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I feel like complete utter shit if I don't eat carbs, nauseous, weak, flat and dizzy for no matter how long I let my body "adapt"
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Dr. Chaffee hit me up this morning, dudes legit, him, Dr. Baker, Dr. Ken Berry, and even Salidino are the truth when it comes to nutrition/heath. Glad to see this thread is still going!
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And for you guys saying you feel flat etc..on keto, listen follow a Gironda style steak and eggs diet, drink a big glass of raw milk pre workout and one post workout, this will be around 40-50 carbs, you'll stay in Ketosis, you'll get a great workout, great pump. On your off days take out the milk, stick to steak and eggs, you'll look and feel the best you've ever felt.
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And for you guys saying you feel flat etc..on keto, listen follow a Gironda style steak and eggs diet, drink a big glass of raw milk pre workout and one post workout, this will be around 40-50 carbs, you'll stay in Ketosis, you'll get a great workout, great pump. On your off days take out the milk, stick to steak and eggs, you'll look and feel the best you've ever felt.
Thanks.....
I'm thinking Gironda's carb feed on the 4th day would mitigate this as well.
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And for you guys saying you feel flat etc..on keto, listen follow a Gironda style steak and eggs diet, drink a big glass of raw milk pre workout and one post workout, this will be around 40-50 carbs, you'll stay in Ketosis, you'll get a great workout, great pump. On your off days take out the milk, stick to steak and eggs, you'll look and feel the best you've ever felt.
Not just weak and flat.... I feel nauseous when getting more than 10-15% of my calories from fat
I will literally vomit from eggs (without bread), a ribeye steak, or 80/20 ground beef on its own...
with bread, rice or a burger bun with those things and I'm fine
High fat anything (other than dairy which I tolerate well) make me puke and hurt my stomach
Lean proteins I can eat all day, chicken, fish, flank steak, etc....
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Not just weak and flat.... I feel nauseous when getting more than 10-15% of my calories from fat
I will literally vomit from eggs (without bread), a ribeye steak, or 80/20 ground beef on its own...
with bread, rice or a burger with those things and I'm fine
High fat anything (other than dairy which I tolerate well) make me puke and hurt my stomach
Lean proteins I can eat all day, chicken, fish, flank steak, etc....
It's your gallbladder, your system has to get used to digesting fats, especially if you're on a lower fat type of diet, your gallbladder isn't acclimated to a higher fat intake.
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Anybody that wants to transission from a high carb/moderate carb diet to carnivore/low carb, low vegetable diet should do it slowly and not overnight
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And for you guys saying you feel flat etc..on keto, listen follow a Gironda style steak and eggs diet, drink a big glass of raw milk pre workout and one post workout, this will be around 40-50 carbs, you'll stay in Ketosis, you'll get a great workout, great pump. On your off days take out the milk, stick to steak and eggs, you'll look and feel the best you've ever felt.
Gironda was way ahead of his time.
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Gironda was way ahead of his time.
Is Gironda still dead?
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Thanks.....
I'm thinking Gironda's carb feed on the 4th day would mitigate this as well.
Even Gironda looked better than bhanks.
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Is Gironda still dead?
Yes, if he were still alive eggs would cost way more than they do now.
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Another fad diet.
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Another fad diet.
Relax rimjob.
It works for some people, not for others.
Just like all these things.
But it's interesting to discuss with those who it does work for.
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Relax rimjob.
It works for some people, not for others.
Just like all these things.
But it's interesting to discuss with those who it does work for.
Any diet works as long as calories are restricted.
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Any diet works as long as calories are restricted.
Define "works."
I started this way of eating 3.5 years ago, not to lose weight, but to address a number of health issues. Not only did I resolve all those health issues, but I lost over 20lbs of fat easily too and have managed to keep the weight off long term for the first time in my life.
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Anyone cutting on carnivore for a show?
Nobody that I know of
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Anyone cutting on carnivore for a show?
Nobody that I know of
I ate around 60/70gms of carbs a day when I dieted last year and 750gms of lean mince
The carbs was 100gms oats
Not carnivore but not far off
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Would love to monitor the diet...
Anyone know how to get a CGM without going to the doctor?
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Anyone cutting on carnivore for a show?
Nobody that I know of
pretty much everyone from the 70s.
And you want to know the key? It was the steak/eggs diet in combination with the particular drugs they used, I find it interesting that they used primarily dbol, deca, test, yet none of them were bloated, none of them had baloon faces, etc.. the combination of unlimited energy from the ketosis and the ability to get great pumps from the water retention type drugs they used, equals a good quality look, great hair/skin, lean faces.
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Over a year on the diet and my testosterone consistently coming back over 1300, last labs was around 1500, despite the fact I've been on Dr. Prescribed trt 200mg test cyp for 3 years, prior to this on a bro type diet (lean meats, egg whites, fish, rice, fruits, vegetables, potatoes, oats) my levels were usually around 900-1000.
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Over a year on the diet and my testosterone consistently coming back over 1300, last labs was around 1500, despite the fact I've been on Dr. Prescribed trt 200mg test cyp for 3 years, prior to this on a bro type diet (lean meats, egg whites, fish, rice, fruits, vegetables, potatoes, oats) my levels were usually around 900-1000.
Are you still on TRT?
Kind of confused by this post.
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I ate around 60/70gms of carbs a day when I dieted last year and 750gms of lean mince
The carbs was 100gms oats
Not carnivore but not far off
cows, goats, sheep etc. eat grass
oats are basically a grass so it's all the same food chain
I do a similar diet but I eat a lot of steamed veggies along with meat and fat source
my primary carb source is potatoes
I like that they have a decent amount of micros like potassium and are also filling (at least for me)
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Over a year on the diet and my testosterone consistently coming back over 1300, last labs was around 1500, despite the fact I've been on Dr. Prescribed trt 200mg test cyp for 3 years, prior to this on a bro type diet (lean meats, egg whites, fish, rice, fruits, vegetables, potatoes, oats) my levels were usually around 900-1000.
Why are you on TRT if your levels are so high?
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Very low meat consumption increases the long-term risk of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease
Results: The average follow-up time was 9.8 years. During this period, 662 cases of dementia, including 466 of AD, were identified. After adjustment, only low meat consumption (≤1 time/week) was associated with an increased risk of dementia and AD compared with regular consumption (≥4 times/week) (HR = 1.58 95% CI = [1.17-2.14], HR = 1.67 95% CI = [1.18-2.37], respectively). No association was found between the consumption of fish, raw fruits, or cooked fruits and vegetables and the risk of dementia or AD.
Conclusion: These findings suggest very low meat consumption increases the long-term risk of dementia and AD, and that a protopathic bias could have impacted finding from previous studies.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30883348/
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Are you still on TRT?
Kind of confused by this post.
Yes, my doctor has no issues with this seeing I've been working with him for 3 years now, he's super intrigued by these results and like I said is now recommending his clients adhere to a carnivore diet.
Why are you on TRT if your levels are so high?
If I can go back in time I know exactly why I had low levels of testosterone, I was natural but eating like a bodybuilder who is enhanced, very low fat, moderate carbs, high protein(egg whites, tuna, chicken, ground turkey, whey isolate, oats, rice, sweet potato), I was over training (6 days a week), I was working 60 plus hours a week and I was sleeping usually 5-6 hours a night, I'd fuel my days with caffeine usually around 800-1000mg daily. This is a recipe for tanking your testosterone levels, I was literally eating like this since college, I was super lean always had to have a full 6 pack 24-7. I looked great, no doubt, but I wasn't healthy, out of curiosity I went to a hormone replacement clinic, the doctor laughed when he saw me, he said you don't have low testosterone, you're the most muscular guy that's ever walked through my office, he said he run the labs anyway, they came back at like 260. He was shocked, I started a trt regime with him and been doing this for 3 years. I feel amazing, way better then I did in my 20s, I way more muscular, energetic, strongest I've ever been, best endurance I've ever had I can easily swim for 2 hours on my swim days(Sunday), I work circles around all my coworkers, my Quality of life has immensely improved so why would I go off?
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Yes, my doctor has no issues with this seeing I've been working with him for 3 years now, he's super intrigued by these results and like I said is now recommending his clients adhere to a carnivore diet.If I can go back in time I know exactly why I had low levels of testosterone, I was natural but eating like a bodybuilder who is enhanced, very low fat, moderate carbs, high protein(egg whites, tuna, chicken, ground turkey, whey isolate, oats, rice, sweet potato), I was over training (6 days a week), I was working 60 plus hours a week and I was sleeping usually 5-6 hours a night, I'd fuel my days with caffeine usually around 800-1000mg daily. This is a recipe for tanking your testosterone levels, I was literally eating like this since college, I was super lean always had to have a full 6 pack 24-7. I looked great, no doubt, but I wasn't healthy, out of curiosity I went to a hormone replacement clinic, the doctor laughed when he saw me, he said you don't have low testosterone, you're the most muscular guy that's ever walked through my office, he said he run the labs anyway, they came back at like 260. He was shocked, I started a trt regime with him and been doing this for 3 years. I feel amazing, way better then I did in my 20s, I way more muscular, energetic, strongest I've ever been, best endurance I've ever had I can easily swim for 2 hours on my swim days(Sunday), I work circles around all my coworkers, my Quality of life has immensely improved so why would I go off?
Because you don't need it.
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I've been on the carnivore diet for almost 3 weeks now.
I'm struggling to maintain this with my work life and travel schedule.
But i do feel overall "lighter" and my skin is tight as hell.
Stomach was a mess for a few days, i think the raw milk did not work well for me. Insane diarrhea and intestinal problems. After drinking the raw milk my stomach would go nuts for 30-45 minutes, gurgling and generally making some crazy noises.
I mainly eat beef, eggs, bacon, chicken and fish. I don't like pork.
Make some marinates and sauces for the food myself.
I've been low carb for about 3 months before trying this. My energy levels are very low, but i'm hoping that changes at some point?
I don't think i can sustain this, but i want to try 60 days.
Problem is i travel out of town for several days every 2-3 weeks and also go on vacation to Mexico every month or two for a week. Spend 2 days a week in the field driving to job sites. I've just been bringing my food with me everywhere.
Everywhere i go i end up getting invited to lunch by a contractor or builder, and that makes this so challenging. And i generally can't tell people no because business development and client relations is essentially my job. Went to a Mexican place yesterday, just ate 2 pounds of chicken and beef fajitas. ;D
People think i'm nuts, but it's kind of cool i guess. Something new to try.
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I've been on the carnivore diet for almost 3 weeks now.
I'm struggling to maintain this with my work life and travel schedule.
But i do feel overall "lighter" and my skin is tight as hell.
Stomach was a mess for a few days, i think the raw milk did not work well for me. Insane diarrhea and intestinal problems. After drinking the raw milk my stomach would go nuts for 30-45 minutes, gurgling and generally making some crazy noises.
I mainly eat beef, eggs, bacon, chicken and fish. I don't like pork.
Make some marinates and sauces for the food myself.
I've been low carb for about 3 months before trying this. My energy levels are very low, but i'm hoping that changes at some point?
I don't think i can sustain this, but i want to try 60 days.
Problem is i travel out of town for several days every 2-3 weeks and also go on vacation to Mexico every month or two for a week. Spend 2 days a week in the field driving to job sites. I've just been bringing my food with me everywhere.
Everywhere i go i end up getting invited to lunch by a contractor or builder, and that makes this so challenging. And i generally can't tell people no because business development and client relations is essentially my job. Went to a Mexican place yesterday, just ate 2 pounds of chicken and beef fajitas. ;D
People think i'm nuts, but it's kind of cool i guess. Something new to try.
You have to eat fat and a lot of it, I'd recommend at least 70% of your calories coming from fat, the raw milk thing is just pre and post workout for me, but many can't tolerate dairy even if it's raw. Travel, this is literally the easiest diet ever, majority of restaurants have burgers/steak/eggs, bring some additional grass fed butter or Ghee and if you drink coffee throw a tablespoon of that in there with some full fat cream. But fat is essential. This is what I've been doing last few weeks.
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You have to eat fat and a lot of it, I'd recommend at least 70% of your calories coming from fat, the raw milk thing is just pre and post workout for me, but many can't tolerate dairy even if it's raw. Travel, this is literally the easiest diet ever, majority of restaurants have burgers/steak/eggs, bring some additional grass fed butter or Ghee and if you drink coffee throw a tablespoon of that in there with some full fat cream. But fat is essential. This is what I've been doing last few weeks.
How do you prepare all that 80/20?
I ate ground beef for two days in a row and got sick to my stomach. Then had insane intestinal pain and constipation. ;D
Making some bone broth right now.
Give me a breakdown of a week-long diet.
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How do you prepare all that 80/20?
I ate ground beef for two days in a row and got sick to my stomach. Then had insane intestinal pain and constipation. ;D
Making some bone broth right now.
Give me a breakdown of a week-long diet.
If you haven't been eating a good amount of fat then it will take awhile for your gallbladder to get used to it and produce adequate amounts of bile to process the fat, so taking betaine hcl will help with this. But I literally eat 4 meals of 1lb of ground beef a day currently. Previously I was doing
Meal 1: 6 whole Pasture raised eggs
Meal 2: 12oz grass fed ground beef
Meal 3: 10oz raw milk
Meal 4: 10oz raw milk
Meal 5: 12oz grass fed ground beef
Meal 6: 6 whole Pasture raised eggs
On Wed and Sunday I do cardio so I don't have the milk, so I add some bacon to my egg meals on those days.
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When I was on a keto diet I never had more energy in my life.
Breakfast was always eggs and bacon
Lunch waa hamburger patties with cheese
A couple of shakes throughout the day with nut milk and heavy cream.
A couple of coffees with heavy cream
Snack was usually tuna fish with mayo
Dinner was usually salmon or steak
Occasionally if I needed variety I'd make tacos just with seasoned ground beef or ground turkey and cheese.
Another staple was pork rinds as a snack.
Beyond that the only other thing I consumed was water, ktatom and zero cal. Rockstars.
That was it. I found it easy to maintain for years. Fat just vanished from my body but I had an enormous ammount of energy so I was running a lot, jumping rope, boxing and I lost a bit of muscle too.
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If you haven't been eating a good amount of fat then it will take awhile for your gallbladder to get used to it and produce adequate amounts of bile to process the fat, so taking betaine hcl will help with this. But I literally eat 4 meals of 1lb of ground beef a day currently. Previously I was doing
Meal 1: 6 whole Pasture raised eggs
Meal 2: 12oz grass fed ground beef
Meal 3: 10oz raw milk
Meal 4: 10oz raw milk
Meal 5: 12oz grass fed ground beef
Meal 6: 6 whole Pasture raised eggs
On Wed and Sunday I do cardio so I don't have the milk, so I add some bacon to my egg meals on those days.
Thanks, I'm doing something similar. I bought 150 pounds of beef from a local rancher/butcher last year.
Meal 1 - 8 scrambled eggs and 4 bacon strips.
Meal 2 - 16oz of 80/20 ground beef. Made as burgers or meat loaf.
Meal 3 - 12oz raw milk. Pre-workout.
Meal 4 - 12oz raw milk. Post-workout.
Meal 5 - Two Ribeyes or Three fish fillets, typically salmon.
Meal 6 - This one is hit or miss, don't always eat late. But usually 4-5 eggs scrambled and some leftover scraps of ribeye.
I'll give it some time to adjust.
It's hard to explain, but i feel "lighter" on my feet and when moving around, less sluggish but energy is really low.
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When I was on a keto diet I never had more energy in my life.
Breakfast was always eggs and bacon
Lunch waa hamburger patties with cheese
A couple of shakes throughout the day with nut milk and heavy cream.
A couple of coffees with heavy cream
Snack was usually tuna fish with mayo
Dinner was usually salmon or steak
Occasionally if I needed variety I'd make tacos just with seasoned ground beef or ground turkey and cheese.
Another staple was pork rinds as a snack.
Beyond that the only other thing I consumed was water, ktatom and zero cal. Rockstars.
That was it. I found it easy to maintain for years. Fat just vanished from my body but I had an enormous ammount of energy so I was running a lot, jumping rope, boxing and I lost a bit of muscle too.
Yeah, i've been doing Keto and intermittent fasting off and on for 10 years. Typically had good energy levels once i'm 30-45 days in.
I stay around 8-10% BF most of the year.
Dairy messes with my stomach bad.
I'm doing more long range hiking, mountain biking and climbing.
But i lift weights 2-3 days a week.
Only taking 50mg Test C every 3 days.
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I've been low carb for about 3 months before trying this. My energy levels are very low, but i'm hoping that changes at some point?
You are not consuming enough fat or enough sodium.
Done right, a very low carb diet will make you feel very high energy all day long.
You have to drink plenty of water too. I drink over 80 ounces a day.
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When I was on a keto diet I never had more energy in my life.
Breakfast was always eggs and bacon
Lunch waa hamburger patties with cheese
A couple of shakes throughout the day with nut milk and heavy cream.
A couple of coffees with heavy cream
Snack was usually tuna fish with mayo
Dinner was usually salmon or steak
Occasionally if I needed variety I'd make tacos just with seasoned ground beef or ground turkey and cheese.
Another staple was pork rinds as a snack.
Beyond that the only other thing I consumed was water, ktatom and zero cal. Rockstars.
That was it. I found it easy to maintain for years. Fat just vanished from my body but I had an enormous ammount of energy so I was running a lot, jumping rope, boxing and I lost a bit of muscle too.
That's a solid meal plan right there, good variety, simple and effective.
You are not consuming enough fat or enough sodium.
Done right, a very low carb diet will make you feel very high energy all day long.
You have to drink plenty of water too. I drink over 80 ounces a day.
I'd recommend drinking when thirsty on a keto/carnivore diet, more water doesn't equal more hydration, the more you drink the more you urinate out your minerals, so monitor your urine you want it to be faint yellow, if it's clear you're drinking too much water, if it's dark yellow you're dehydrated and need more water/electrolytes.
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I'd recommend drinking when thirsty on a keto/carnivore diet, more water doesn't equal more hydration, the more you drink the more you urinate out your minerals, so monitor your urine you want it to be faint yellow, if it's clear you're drinking too much water, if it's dark yellow you're dehydrated and need more water/electrolytes.
That does work for some people, but not for everybody.
I've been on a meat heavy, keto diet consistently for over 3 years. If I drink only when I'm thirsty, I end up drinking too little and I start suffering symptoms of mild dehydration: muscle cramps, dizziness, digestive issues, etc.
Consuming enough sodium helps your body absorb and retain water, which means less urination an less mineral loss.
I take one pocket of LMNT a day, and supplement Magnesium Glycinate. The rest of my sodium, potassium and magnesium come from food.
Maybe the reason my body requires 88 ounces water daily is because I don't drink tap water, milk, coffee, tea, or diet sodas.
About half the fluid I drink daily is purified, seltzer water plus distilled water with LMNT. The other half is plain distilled water. I've been drinking distilled water for over 4 years.
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Keto - remember, loco is also mexican so he lives in a desert.
He needs to drink more.
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Keto - remember, loco is also mexican so he lives in a desert.
He needs to drink more.
The Keto Kid is Mexican? :D
Nothing wrong with that. He drinks raw milk too. That counts as fluid intake.
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The Keto Kid is Mexican? :D
Nothing wrong with that. He drinks raw milk too. That counts as fluid intake.
Lol, poor wording on my part.
Unless he actually is.
Then I apologize.
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Interesting thread......making me think,which is a rare thing for me.
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That does work for some people, but not for everybody.
I've been on a meat heavy, keto diet consistently for over 3 years. If I drink only when I'm thirsty, I end up drinking too little and I start suffering symptoms of mild dehydration: muscle cramps, dizziness, digestive issues, etc.
Consuming enough sodium helps your body absorb and retain water, which means less urination an less mineral loss.
I take one pocket of LMNT a day, and supplement Magnesium Glycinate. The rest of my sodium, potassium and magnesium come from food.
Maybe the reason my body requires 88 ounces water daily is because I don't drink tap water, milk, coffee, tea, or diet sodas.
About half the fluid I drink daily is purified, seltzer water plus distilled water with LMNT. The other half is plain distilled water. I've been drinking distilled water for over 4 years.
Obviously we're all different, if you're cramping, dizzy, etc..Obviously you're dehydration, everyone regardless of diet just needs to monitor their urine, that's that will be the tell tale sign if you're hydrated or not.
The Keto Kid is Mexican? :D
Nothing wrong with that. He drinks raw milk too. That counts as fluid intake.
I'm not Mexican, I'm actually Italian. Yes raw milk is more hydrating then water.
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Obviously we're all different, if you're cramping, dizzy, etc..Obviously you're dehydration, everyone regardless of diet just needs to monitor their urine, that's that will be the tell tale sign if you're hydrated or not.
I'm not Mexican, I'm actually Italian. Yes raw milk is more hydrating then water.
If it wasn't for the carbs and calories, I'd replace water with milk an drink it all day. :)
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I've been on the carnivore diet for almost 3 weeks now.
I'm struggling to maintain this with my work life and travel schedule.
But i do feel overall "lighter" and my skin is tight as hell.
Stomach was a mess for a few days, i think the raw milk did not work well for me. Insane diarrhea and intestinal problems. After drinking the raw milk my stomach would go nuts for 30-45 minutes, gurgling and generally making some crazy noises.
I mainly eat beef, eggs, bacon, chicken and fish. I don't like pork.
Make some marinates and sauces for the food myself.
I've been low carb for about 3 months before trying this. My energy levels are very low, but i'm hoping that changes at some point?
I don't think i can sustain this, but i want to try 60 days.
Problem is i travel out of town for several days every 2-3 weeks and also go on vacation to Mexico every month or two for a week. Spend 2 days a week in the field driving to job sites. I've just been bringing my food with me everywhere.
Everywhere i go i end up getting invited to lunch by a contractor or builder, and that makes this so challenging. And i generally can't tell people no because business development and client relations is essentially my job. Went to a Mexican place yesterday, just ate 2 pounds of chicken and beef fajitas. ;D
People think i'm nuts, but it's kind of cool i guess. Something new to try.
Tell people you have one of Bhanky's diseases (pick one) and you're doctor says you can only eat meat.
:D
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It's helpful for those on keto or carnivore to list what they eat daily.
Usually I eat this:
Meal one:
4-5 eggs fried in lard.
Bacon or sausage
Shake:
3-4 raw eggs
4 tbls heavy cream or halfnhalf
1 tbls olive oil
2 tbls natural peanut butter
1 tbls unsweetend coca powder
Dinner:
Meat
Salad or green vegetable
Peanuts occasionally but they bother me if I eat too many.
Cheese occasionally (no carb).
On the weekend I sometimes have a couple bagels.
3-4 mugs coffee with halfnhalf
Fast about 14-18 hours between last meal and next day.
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You are not consuming enough fat or enough sodium.
Done right, a very low carb diet will make you feel very high energy all day long.
You have to drink plenty of water too. I drink over 80 ounces a day.
I've had great energy with low carb and intermittent fasting over the years.
I drink 4 liters of water a day and diet Dr Pepper or coffee twice a day.
Sodium is probably low and i can easily fix that, but for more fat intake i guess i need more dairy?
The problem is dairy gives me insane intestinal issues.
And i can get legit dairy from a local farm, so it's not the processed crap.
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I've had great energy with low carb and intermittent fasting over the years.
I drink 4 liters of water a day and diet Dr Pepper or coffee twice a day.
Sodium is probably low and i can easily fix that, but for more fat intake i guess i need more dairy?
The problem is dairy gives me insane intestinal issues.
And i can get legit dairy from a local farm, so it's not the processed crap.
Just eat whole eggs cooked in butter or ghee, fatty red meat (ribeye, chuck, high fat ground beef, throw some butter/full fat cream in your coffee, you'll easily get the fat you need.
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Just eat whole eggs cooked in butter or ghee, fatty red meat (ribeye, chuck, high fat ground beef, throw some butter/full fat cream in your coffee, you'll easily get the fat you need.
Ghee is my next purchase. Costco sell a big f'n tub of it for like $20.
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Just eat whole eggs cooked in butter or ghee, fatty red meat (ribeye, chuck, high fat ground beef, throw some butter/full fat cream in your coffee, you'll easily get the fat you need.
I'll try the butter/cream in coffee.
I've been eating enough eggs and fatty meat to feed a family of 5. ;D
Just got some nice grass fed salted butter today.
I'll try the ghee stuff at some point.
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I'll try the butter/cream in coffee.
I've been eating enough eggs and fatty meat to feed a family of 5. ;D
Just got some nice grass fed salted butter today.
I'll try the ghee stuff at some point.
Salted butter is delicious. :P
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I've had great energy with low carb and intermittent fasting over the years.
I drink 4 liters of water a day and diet Dr Pepper or coffee twice a day.
Sodium is probably low and i can easily fix that, but for more fat intake i guess i need more dairy?
The problem is dairy gives me insane intestinal issues.
And i can get legit dairy from a local farm, so it's not the processed crap.
No. My diet is probably 70% fat, and I consume very little dairy.
Just eat whole eggs cooked in butter or ghee, fatty red meat (ribeye, chuck, high fat ground beef, throw some butter/full fat cream in your coffee, you'll easily get the fat you need.
This.
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No. My diet is probably 70% fat, and I consume very little dairy.
This.
I've added heavy cream and more butter in.
Had lots of 80/20 ground beef and ribeyes over the weekend, no fish. Lots of eggs.
I'll give it more time, still having explosive/violent diarrhea. ;D
Maybe just need time for my body to adjust.
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Salted butter is delicious. :P
It's amazing.
Also, the heavy cream and butter in coffee is outstanding.
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So I tried the "lb of meat" thing for a meal.
1lb ground boar, smashburger style, with one egg on top, and a cup of homemade tzatziki spread on it + half an avocado.
In summary - fuck that shit. Too much food me.
It COULD have been that the boar is too lean - 16g total fat on the pound, which made it a chore. Maybe it would work with ground beef, but i'm not trying it.
Props to keto for being able to eat this 4x a day.
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So I tried the "lb of meat" thing for a meal.
1lb ground boar, smashburger style, with one egg on top, and a cup of homemade tzatziki spread on it + half an avocado.
In summary - fuck that shit. Too much food me.
It COULD have been that the boar is too lean - 16g total fat on the pound, which made it a chore. Maybe it would work with ground beef, but i'm not trying it.
Props to keto for being able to eat this 4x a day.
I'm a super active guy so the more active you are the bigger the appetite, but there's just normal women eating 4-6 pounds daily on this, I'm working my way up to 5 pounds, I'm slowly adding an ounce to each meal week by week. You should take out all that random shit avocado etc.. just go straight beef, bacon, butter, eggs for a month.
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So I tried the "lb of meat" thing for a meal.
1lb ground boar, smashburger style, with one egg on top, and a cup of homemade tzatziki spread on it + half an avocado.
In summary - fuck that shit. Too much food me.
It COULD have been that the boar is too lean - 16g total fat on the pound, which made it a chore. Maybe it would work with ground beef, but i'm not trying it.
Props to keto for being able to eat this 4x a day.
Why not just eat until you are full.
Don't force feed yourself.
And where do you buy boar? Or is that the same as a peeg that went AWOL?
A peeg:
(https://townsquare.media/site/108/files/2014/12/123535694.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)
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Why not just eat until you are full.
Don't force feed yourself.
And where do you buy boar? Or is that the same as a peeg that went AWOL?
A peeg:
(https://townsquare.media/site/108/files/2014/12/123535694.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)
all domesticated pigs turn back into Boars in the wild after a few generations
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Why not just eat until you are full.
Don't force feed yourself.
And where do you buy boar? Or is that the same as a peeg that went AWOL?
A peeg:
(https://townsquare.media/site/108/files/2014/12/123535694.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)
I don't. This was a one of thing I tried. Just experimtation.
As for boar - I buy a variety of meats online just to see what's out there. First time I tried the boar, I like the taste, so I use it as a lean alternative to beef to mix things up.
Plus, I still believe the source of meats counts in terms of health. You may disagree, and i think you do, but it just makes directional sense to me that animals on natural diets they were designed for without any hormones and antibiotics are better choices. Obviously it's a personal cost/benefit ratio decision.
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In my opinion, if you are not on drugs and want to do keto/carnivore right, forget about "lean meats" and "egg whites."
Eat fatty meats: Ribeye, NY Strip, chuck roast, fatty ground beef, pork belly, bacon, chicken dark meat with the skin on, etc.
Eat whole eggs or just the yolks. The yolks are mostly fat, but have some protein too.
If you are going to practice carb restriction, you're gonna have to eat around 70% fat for energy, fat soluble vitamins, normal hormone function, normal digestion, essential fatty acids, and in order educe ketosis.
Protein + carbs should stay around 30%, with most of that coming from protein and very little to nothing from carbs. With the high protein bio-availability from animal products and without anti-nutrients from plants, you won't need as much protein as someone eating a high carb diet that includes plants.
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Plus, I still believe the source of meats counts in terms of health. You may disagree, and i think you do, but it just makes directional sense to me that animals on natural diets they were designed for without any hormones and antibiotics are better choices. Obviously it's a personal cost/benefit ratio decision.
What makes directional sense doesn't always pan out in real life practice. I've posted this before:
Dr. Eric Westman at Duke University has treated thousands of patients successfully for over 20 years for obesity, diabetes, insulin resistance, hypertension, infertility (PCOS), GERD, fatty liver, and other metabolic conditions using a very meat heavy, very low plant, keto diet.
His patients tend to be low income and uneducated, so they eat the stuff from the supermarket and even 100% beef patties from fast food restaurants. Yet they resolve their health issues and their health improves on this diet like no surgery or medication could ever do.
Anything more would make this diet available only to the elite.
I've been eating a very meat heavy, keto diet for almost 4 years. Never bought fancy meats or eggs. My health is many times better now than 4 years ago. Would it be even better if I spend more on fancy meats? Who knows?
Eat the meats and eggs that you enjoy most and that you can afford.
BTW: Grass fed, grass finished beef and wild game meat are smaller, leaner, and many agree don't taste as good as grain fed commercial meat. I personally prefer larger, fattier, tastier meat.
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What makes directional sense doesn't always pan out in real life practice. I've posted this before:
Dr. Eric Westman at Duke University has treated thousands of patients successfully for over 20 years for obesity, diabetes, insulin resistance, hypertension, infertility (PCOS), GERD, fatty liver, and other metabolic conditions using a very meat heavy, very low plant, keto diet.
His patients tend to be low income and uneducated, so they eat the stuff from the supermarket and even 100% beef patties from fast food restaurants. Yet they resolve their health issues and their health improves on this diet like no surgery or medication could ever do.
Anything more would make this diet available only to the elite.
I've been eating a very meat heavy, keto diet for almost 4 years. Never bought fancy meats or eggs. My health is many times better now than 4 years ago. Would it be even better if I spend more on fancy meats? Who knows?
Eat the meats and eggs that you enjoy most and that you can afford.
Let me clarify a few things. I get eating the fatty stuff, if I went full carnivore, I would.....or, if I ate boar, i'd put a giant cube of butter on it. I'm fucking around with stuff out of interest right now.
As for my point about the source - I don't disagree with any of the results or outcomes you posted - not at all.
But what I DO believe, is that there is SOMETHING that we don't know which I believe has led to the riser of cancer in the 20th century and beyond....it could be anything - plastics, seed oil, democrats, strict curl contests - I don't know. Given that, if I can eliminate as many artificial things I'm exposed to easily and within reason, I'm going to. It could be broscience of course, but I'm going with it.
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Let me clarify a few things. I get eating the fatty stuff, if I went full carnivore, I would.....or, if I ate boar, i'd put a giant cube of butter on it. I'm fucking around with stuff out of interest right now.
As for my point about the source - I don't disagree with any of the results or outcomes you posted - not at all.
But what I DO believe, is that there is SOMETHING that we don't know which I believe has led to the riser of cancer in the 20th century and beyond....it could be anything - plastics, seed oil, democrats, strict curl contests - I don't know. Given that, if I can eliminate as many artificial things I'm exposed to easily and within reason, I'm going to. It could be broscience of course, but I'm going with it.
Strict curl contest...LOL :D
I get it. I just wanted to clarify too for anyone else reading this thread.
Best of luck to you, and please share what you learn from your experience. I agree that there's a lot we don't know yet about this stuff.
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There's definitely a big difference between grain fed and grass fed, not so much from a vitamin/mineral profile, but grain fed animals living on corn/soy/hormones/antibiotics..their fat will contain more toxins/PUFAS, I remember Palumbo talking about how he felt McDonald's hamburgers contained steroids because he grew so much from eating them, which is in interesting theory, they load the cows up with steroids and growth hormone to get them as big as possible, we eat this meat and thus consuming this, if you look at dudes from the hood that live off fast food and are jacked, or even just the sheer weight some of these people pack on eating McDonald's it's mind boggling. People are healing regardless of grain fed or grass fed, if you look at the success stories on Revero Health or Dr. Bakers channel, putting autoimmune diseases in remission, curing arthritis, ibs,Crohns, diabetes, etc... so I look at grain fed is a good option and grass fed as the optimal option, both will be effective, it just comes down to a preference of taste/goals/budget.
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Strict curl contest...LOL :D
I get it. I just wanted to clarify too for anyone else reading this thread.
Best of luck to you, and please share what you learn from your experience. I agree that there's a lot we don't know yet about this stuff.
Best of luck to you too, I appreciate you and Keto's contributions here - super interesting.
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Best of luck to you too, I appreciate you and Keto's contributions here - super interesting.
Thanks, Grape Ape!
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Grape,
I'm too cheap to buy the good stuff.
;)
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Grape,
I'm too cheap to buy the good stuff.
;)
I would never judge.
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Try buying meat locally from a farm.
Organic meat in super markets is good but overpriced.
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Try buying meat locally from a farm.
Organic meat in super markets is good but overpriced.
Huge scam.
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Huge scam.
I have a suspicion about it.
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I have a suspicion about it.
About what? Anyone can tell the difference visual wise and taste wise from grass fed beef and grain fed beef, the meat looks and tastes way different, look at conventional grain fed eggs and Pasture raised eggs, grain fed the yolk is like faint yellow, Pasture raised the yolk is orange in color.
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Try buying meat locally from a farm.
Organic meat in super markets is good but overpriced.
I have found local isn't super cheap.
Meat subscription services are the way to go for me - referrals and specials can drive the $/lb down. For example, with my Butcher Box, I get 2lbs free 85% ground beef and a lb of uncured bacon every order.
Wild fork has decent prices too.
Stuff like that.
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About what? Anyone can tell the difference visual wise and taste wise from grass fed beef and grain fed beef, the meat looks and tastes way different, look at conventional grain fed eggs and Pasture raised eggs, grain fed the yolk is like faint yellow, Pasture raised the yolk is orange in color.
Yup.
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I have found local isn't super cheap.
Meat subscription services are the way to go for me - referrals and specials can drive the $/lb down. For example, with my Butcher Box, I get 2lbs free 85% ground beef and a lb of uncured bacon every order.
Wild fork has decent prices too.
Stuff like that.
Haven't tried any subscription services because Costco meat is all I've needed so far, but many people that eat carnivore say good things about Butcher Box.
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About what? Anyone can tell the difference visual wise and taste wise from grass fed beef and grain fed beef, the meat looks and tastes way different, look at conventional grain fed eggs and Pasture raised eggs, grain fed the yolk is like faint yellow, Pasture raised the yolk is orange in color.
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If you're trying to get the best quality and bang for your buck, buy a half a cow or whole cow, I bought half a cow all grass fed beef for just $4 per pound, It was 300lbs all together.
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If you're trying to get the best quality and bang for your buck, buy a half a cow or whole cow, I bought half a cow all grass fed beef for just $4 per pound, It was 300lbs all together.
Agreed.
I wish I could do that, but I'm too picky about my cuts of meat. Most of the cow is stuff I don't enjoy eating.
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Agreed.
I wish I could do that, but I'm too picky about my cuts of meat. Most of the cow is stuff I don't enjoy eating.
You order whatever cut you like, it's all customized.
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You order whatever cut you like, it's all customized.
One half cow of nothing but ribeye and NY Strip steaks? I'm sure that's more expensive than buying just the half cow.
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About what? Anyone can tell the difference visual wise and taste wise from grass fed beef and grain fed beef, the meat looks and tastes way different, look at conventional grain fed eggs and Pasture raised eggs, grain fed the yolk is like faint yellow, Pasture raised the yolk is orange in color.
I'm naturally suspicious.
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One half cow of nothing but ribeye and NY Strip steaks? I'm sure that's more expensive than buying just the half cow.
If you buy the whole cow you also get the hoofs, brains, and testicles.
That's all good eating.
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One half cow of nothing but ribeye and NY Strip steaks? I'm sure that's more expensive than buying just the half cow.
Not at all the price is set, you then customize whatever cuts you want, obviously ribeye comes from a certain part of the cow so there's only a certain amount of ribeye in half a cow.
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If you buy the whole cow you also get the hoofs, brains, and testicles.
That's all good eating.
:-X
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Not at all the price is set, you then customize whatever cuts you want, obviously ribeye comes from a certain part of the cow so there's only a certain amount of ribeye in half a cow.
I may give that a try. Thanks!
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If you're trying to get the best quality and bang for your buck, buy a half a cow or whole cow, I bought half a cow all grass fed beef for just $4 per pound, It was 300lbs all together.
That's what I used to do years ago. May do it again soon.
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Interesting video citing plenty of published sources to back up its claims:
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Interesting video citing plenty of published sources to back up its claims:
In college i had a Professor from Cameroon, Africa.
He said the village he grew up in ate nearly all meat.
Not a single person was obese.
Not a single person had a cavity.
They all had perfect teeth and would eat bones.
Lots of people lived to 90+ with almost zero medicines.
Random comment but the Shaman used to ask people to fart in his hut for good luck. ;D
It was considered a blessing.
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So, i'm about 45 days in on a full blown carnivore diet.
I must say apart from the violent diarrhea and stomach issues i had the first 3-4 weeks, it has been an amazing experience.
I'm down 8 pounds, but i have been more active as well.
I'm not lifting weights much, but doing a lot of long range hiking, mountain climbing and biking.
Pros:
My skin feels great and is "tighter" for lack of a better term.
The little aches and pains i had around my neck, shoulders and elbows are almost 100% gone.
I have a damaged knee that gives me fits, it has been solid as a rock.
Sleep has improved.
My energy levels are more stable throughout the day.
Bowel movements are like clockwork now.
I generally feel stronger and have better endurance. I can hike much further without feeling any sort of fatigue.
I love to cook beef/fish so it has been a lot of fun to smoke meats or cook them in an iron skillet.
Cons:
It's expensive, but i have the means to do it. I'm eating the highest quality grass fed beef in the area from a local butcher.
I had to stop with raw milk, it was destroying my stomach. But heavy cream and cheeses have been fine.
I do struggle to follow the diet at work, since i travel a lot. I just try to take my lunch as much as i can and if i'm stuck on a plane or something i just eat whatever is best. I travel a lot for work and go to Mexico with my GF to see her family once a month. I just do the best i can to stay on the diet.
Oddly enough my BP has gone up a lot. So i'm tracking it for a few weeks and see if it goes back down. I haven't had blood pressure this high in 15 years.
My shits/farts are so foul i think some people at the office almost got sick while walking into the bathroom. They seem like i'm releasing toxic fumes into the area.
My GF hates it, but i don't really care what she thinks. We only see each other on the weekends so she's just going to have to deal with it.
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Question about beans.
I've been watching all these carnivore Doc experts and they all seem to differ a bit.
What's everyone's take on adding beans/lentils once a day?
I've been reading about health for 20 years and it seems the longest living people on Earth all have two things in common. They drink tea/coffee and/or eat beans/lentils daily.
Thoughts?
I make some mean pinto beans. Was thinking about slow cooking them in bone broth with bacon.
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That's interesting that you fart alot. Gas is usually a result of eating fiber.
Fiber is only in plants.
Are you lactose tolerant?
I eat pretty much carnivore too and don't fart hardly at all and no smell.
I do eat salad a few times a week and a green vegetable occasionally.
Is there something else you are eating besides meat?
Do you eat whole eggs and cheese?
Do you eat anything else?
Beans have carbs. Same with lentils. Also lignins I think.
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Question about beans.
I've been watching all these carnivore Doc experts and they all seem to differ a bit.
What's everyone's take on adding beans/lentils once a day?
I've been reading about health for 20 years and it seems the longest living people on Earth all have two things in common. They drink tea/coffee and/or eat beans/lentils daily.
Thoughts?
I make some mean pinto beans. Was thinking about slow cooking them in bone broth with bacon.
Tea and coffee (in before the coffee mold guy) are full of antioxidants and maybe the caffeine gets the elderly moving more.
Beans/lentils I'd guess is mostly for the fibre content. I do something similar with a small portion of peas, broad beans and sweetcorn with most meals. Helps a lot with satiety too.
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That's interesting that you fart alot. Gas is usually a result of eating fiber.
Fiber is only in plants.
Are you lactose tolerant?
I eat pretty much carnivore too and don't fart hardly at all and no smell.
I do eat salad a few times a week and a green vegetable occasionally.
Is there something else you are eating besides meat?
Do you eat whole eggs and cheese?
Do you eat anything else?
Beans have carbs. Same with lentils. Also lignins I think.
I don't fart a lot, it's just when i do it's deadly.
I'm not lactose intolerant.
I haven't eaten a piece of fruit or veggies in 45 days.
Maybe some slices of jalapenos and onions on a steak, twice i think.
I do bast my steaks with butter, garlic and rosemary.
And i had some sushi, just the maki rolls once in the last month.
No salads or bread.
All the eggs i eat are whole, 8-10 per day.
Lots of raw cheese from Mexico, grass fed and as natural as possible.
I was curious about beans just to spice up the meal plan.
I've been very strict with fatty beef, salmon, eggs, bacon, heavy cream, raw cheese, butter for the entire duration. Had a "cheat" meal 3-4 times due to traveling constraints, but they were burger patties with no bread or fries.
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So, i'm about 45 days in on a full blown carnivore diet.
I must say apart from the violent diarrhea and stomach issues i had the first 3-4 weeks, it has been an amazing experience.
I'm down 8 pounds, but i have been more active as well.
I'm not lifting weights much, but doing a lot of long range hiking, mountain climbing and biking.
Pros:
My skin feels great and is "tighter" for lack of a better term.
The little aches and pains i had around my neck, shoulders and elbows are almost 100% gone.
I have a damaged knee that gives me fits, it has been solid as a rock.
Sleep has improved.
My energy levels are more stable throughout the day.
Bowel movements are like clockwork now.
I generally feel stronger and have better endurance. I can hike much further without feeling any sort of fatigue.
I love to cook beef/fish so it has been a lot of fun to smoke meats or cook them in an iron skillet.
Cons:
It's expensive, but i have the means to do it. I'm eating the highest quality grass fed beef in the area from a local butcher.
I had to stop with raw milk, it was destroying my stomach. But heavy cream and cheeses have been fine.
I do struggle to follow the diet at work, since i travel a lot. I just try to take my lunch as much as i can and if i'm stuck on a plane or something i just eat whatever is best. I travel a lot for work and go to Mexico with my GF to see her family once a month. I just do the best i can to stay on the diet.
Oddly enough my BP has gone up a lot. So i'm tracking it for a few weeks and see if it goes back down. I haven't had blood pressure this high in 15 years.
My shits/farts are so foul i think some people at the office almost got sick while walking into the bathroom. They seem like i'm releasing toxic fumes into the area.
My GF hates it, but i don't really care what she thinks. We only see each other on the weekends so she's just going to have to deal with it.
Ive always wonderd if high bp is a marker for low wendurance
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beans have most nutrition of plants no debean about it
Question about beans.
I've been watching all these carnivore Doc experts and they all seem to differ a bit.
What's everyone's take on adding beans/lentils once a day?
I've been reading about health for 20 years and it seems the longest living people on Earth all have two things in common. They drink tea/coffee and/or eat beans/lentils daily.
Thoughts?
I make some mean pinto beans. Was thinking about slow cooking them in bone broth with bacon.
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You fart more as you age regardless of diet.
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You fart more as you age regardless of diet.
We jus built different
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That's interesting that you fart alot. Gas is usually a result of eating fiber.
Fiber is only in plants.
Are you lactose tolerant?
I eat pretty much carnivore too and don't fart hardly at all and no smell.
I do eat salad a few times a week and a green vegetable occasionally.
Is there something else you are eating besides meat?
Do you eat whole eggs and cheese?
Do you eat anything else?
Beans have carbs. Same with lentils. Also lignins I think.
Maybe from eating a higher fat diet. Or lots of eggs.
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Interesting video citing plenty of published sources to back up its claims:
https://youtu.be/kCnL2hKNHxo
Let's debunk that utter disgrace of a video. What I Haven't Learned propaganda piece was honestly embarassing, must've been sponsored.
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Let's debunk that utter disgrace of a video. What I Haven't Learned propaganda piece was honestly embarassing, must've been sponsored.
I've been a huge skeptic of the carnivore diet.
But it has a lot of science behind it.
The Vegan diet is just a fad that will pass in another 10 years.
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I've been a huge skeptic of the carnivore diet.
But it has a lot of science behind it.
The Vegan diet is just a fad that will pass in another 10 years.
The keto/carnivore cult is leaps and bounds more insufferable than vegans these days. People learned to lose weight eating beef, cheese and butter and they really REALLY want to tell you about it.
Also, is veganism really a fad? People have been adopting vegan diets for decades by proxy WRT animal rights, not just for health reasons.
I would consider a vegan diet if I could allocate enough tempeh/vital wheat gluten (seitan) to hit 200g protein a day for a reasonable price compared to chicken. For now its just not worth it.
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Weight loss on all these is due to calorie restriction, for the most part.
Those who get great bloodwork of one diet, are genetically built to handle it.
There is no one size fits all here.
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I eat meat every meal without meat it is a snack not a meal
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I eat meat every meal without meat it is a snack not a meal
is that on your profile on Grinder?
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Huberman and Rogan say Carnivore sucks for anyone active
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low carb=low energy
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Funny how humans managed to hunt and pump out numerous kids for hundreds of thousands of years with barely any access to carbs ;D It is a bit bizarre how the carb shilling just completely ignores basic anthropology. And obviously people like Shawn Baker make a mockery of these sorts of ideas, I don't think Rogan or Huberman could hang with the guy for a single workout no matter how much "carbing up" they do or how many pills and powders they take. Both Rogan and Huberman are shills who overwhelmingly promote jewish guests and jewish ideas, as such it's not a surprise that they both promote modern food consumption. It's dangerous to believe these podcasts are organic intellectual discussions.
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low carb=low energy
No.
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I thought Rogan was a carnivore guy
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Huberman and Rogan say Carnivore sucks for anyone active
Watched the vid. I didn't really get that impression. The impression that I got was they didn't personally like it for lifting. But otherwise it's great for active people. And actually increases energy.
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Let's debunk that utter disgrace of a video. What I Haven't Learned propaganda piece was honestly embarassing, must've been sponsored.
Dracula,
Good rebuttal. Thank you for sharing!
I watched all of both parts, 2 hours total, while eating a delicious ribeye steak.
I liked this vegan's tone and all of the hard work that he put into these videos, so I subscribed to his channel, for now at least.
For those who won't watch, he basically said:
The title of the original video is clickbait, as a lot of what the guy says has nothing to do with the vegan diet not working.
The reason many of the studies cited have negative conclusions about the vegan diet is because the participants followed a crappy version of the vegan diet, or didn't supplement properly, or didn't eat fortified vegan foods, or were vegetarians and not vegans.
A lot of the natural toxins and antinutrients found in plant-based foods don't seem to cause a real problem in vegans following a proper vegan diet that includes lots of fortified vegan foods and supplements.
A lot of what the original video says can be applied to omnivore diets and to the standard American diet too.
Of course there's more stuff he said in those two hours, explaining why vegan children are shorter, why vegans have lower bone density, etc., but I'm not going to list it all here.
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low carb=low energy
The opposite is actually true, provided you consume adequate fat, sodium, and water.
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Funny how humans managed to hunt and pump out numerous kids for hundreds of thousands of years with barely any access to carbs ;D It is a bit bizarre how the carb shilling just completely ignores basic anthropology. And obviously people like Shawn Baker make a mockery of these sorts of ideas, I don't think Rogan or Huberman could hang with the guy for a single workout no matter how much "carbing up" they do or how many pills and powders they take. Both Rogan and Huberman are shills who overwhelmingly promote jewish guests and jewish ideas, as such it's not a surprise that they both promote modern food consumption. It's dangerous to believe these podcasts are organic intellectual discussions.
They said they were not anti-carnivore, just that it didn't work perfectly for them. And Rogan said that the majority of the food he eats is meat.
They also say Baker is a machine and use him as a positive example of the diet.
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The keto/carnivore cult is leaps and bounds more insufferable than vegans these days. People learned to lose weight eating beef, cheese and butter and they really REALLY want to tell you about it.
Also, is veganism really a fad? People have been adopting vegan diets for decades by proxy WRT animal rights, not just for health reasons.
I would consider a vegan diet if I could allocate enough tempeh/vital wheat gluten (seitan) to hit 200g protein a day for a reasonable price compared to chicken. For now its just not worth it.
True. Many people are desperate to be a part of something and will adopt a diet, political party, sports fan club, etc. just to be part of a cult or tribe.
I'm not allowed in the keto cult because I don't believe eating vegetables every day is necessary.
I'm not allowed in the carnivore cult either, because I don't believe eating organ meats and grass finished beef is necessary.
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The opposite is actually true, provided you consume adequate fat, sodium, and water.
I hear that but endurance athletes almost all carb up before an event.
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Your body has to become fat-adapted.
This take a few weeks usually.
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I hear that but endurance athletes almost all carb up before an event.
True. That has been the norm for many years and it has worked very well for endurance athletes.
However, nobody knows at this time whether carbs are necessary for all endurance athletes or whether keto might work better for some or many of them. There is anecdotal evidence both for and against this new approach, so more quality studies on keto for endurance athletes are needed to know for sure:
A review of the ketogenic diet for endurance athletes: performance enhancer or placebo effect?
Published: 22 June 2020
The ketogenic diet has become popular among endurance athletes as a performance enhancer. This paper systematically reviews the evidence regarding the effect of the endurance athlete’s ketogenic diet (EAKD) on maximal oxygen consumption (VO2 max) and secondary performance outcomes.
Limited and heterogeneous findings prohibit definitive conclusions regarding efficacy of the EAKD for performance benefit. When compared to a high carbohydrate diet, there are mixed findings for the effect of EAKD consumption on VO2 max and other performance outcomes. More randomized trials are needed to better understand the potentially nuanced effects of EAKD consumption on endurance performance. Researchers may also consider exploring the impact of genetics, recovery, sport type, and sex in moderating the influence of EAKD consumption on performance outcomes.
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-020-00362-9
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never known a singlue blue collar worker thriving on any low carb diet maybe if 23 years old
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never known a singlue blue collar worker thriving on any low carb diet maybe if 23 years old
lol..what?? I worked as a bricklayer and prepped for a show on a ketogenic diet and won that competition. Had plenty of energy to do an hour a cardio pre work, lay bricks all day and go to the gym after work.
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never known a singlue blue collar worker thriving on any low carb diet maybe if 23 years old
Marty, what about a diet consisting of peanut butter, olive oil and malt liquor?
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I only ate two chicken thighs and some cheese today.
Then I mowed my lawn for two hours and rode my bike around town for an hour straight.
Talk about endurance. It was like a triathlon without the water.
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Marty, what about a diet consisting of peanut butter, olive oil and malt liquor?
in this weather peanutbutter just burns me up , up north i like the adorondak sodas. Olive oil and malt liqur condition the impurities
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Question for the keto guys
Keto kid and Loco and anyone else your input is appreciated.How does fried chicken fit in keto?A place that I eat at has a huge fried breast that has 25 grams of carbs. I assume it is from the breading.Is it ok to include this as long as I count those 25 grams against the 50 or whatever I am allowing myself?Thanks guys.
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Question for the keto guys
Keto kid and Loco and anyone else your input is appreciated.How does fried chicken fit in keto?A place that I eat at has a huge fried breast that has 25 grams of carbs. I assume it is from the breading.Is it ok to include this as long as I count those 25 grams against the 50 or whatever I am allowing myself?Thanks guys.
1. A well formulated, science-based keto diet is less than 20g carbs per day.
2. Fried chicken is not part of any good keto diet, because of the high carbs from breading and because of the unhealthy wheat flour the breading is made of.
3. Chicken breast is not a good option anyway because it's too lean. Chicken thighs, legs, and wings with the skin on are much better options.
4. Mix 1/4 tsp of salt, 1/2 tsp garlic powder, 1/2 tsp onion powder, 1/2 tsp smoked paprika, 1 tbsp baking powder in a bowl. Completely cover 4 chicken thighs with the skin on in this mix. Cook them in an air fryer. This is a delicious, much healthier, keto alternative to breaded fried chicken.
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1. A well formulated, science-based keto diet is less than 20g carbs per day.
2. Fried chicken is not part of any good keto diet, because of the high carbs from breading and because of the unhealthy wheat flour the breading is made of.
3. Chicken breast is not a good option anyway because it's too lean. Chicken thighs, legs, and wings with the skin on are much better options.
4. Mix 1/4 tsp of salt, 1/2 tsp garlic powder, 1/2 tsp onion powder, 1/2 tsp smoked paprika, 1 tbsp baking powder in a bowl. Completely cover 4 chicken thighs with the skin on in this mix. Cook them in an air fryer. This is a delicious, much healthier, keto alternative to breaded fried chicken.
awesome Loco that is exactly what I needed to know.Thanks for taking the time to share this.
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awesome Loco that is exactly what I needed to know.Thanks for taking the time to share this.
You are welcome!
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Question for the keto guys
Keto kid and Loco and anyone else your input is appreciated.How does fried chicken fit in keto?A place that I eat at has a huge fried breast that has 25 grams of carbs. I assume it is from the breading.Is it ok to include this as long as I count those 25 grams against the 50 or whatever I am allowing myself?Thanks guys.
I second what Loco says, dude buy quality foods, lamb, bison, beef, venison, Pasture raised eggs, grass fed butter. If you eat plants then avocado, coconut oil, real olive oil, Macadamia nut oil, even mct oil for fats. Again if you eat plants (I dont) greens like broccoli, green beans, asparagus...I'd stay far away from spinach and kale(tons of oxalates and various other antinutrients). Keep it simple eat a fuck load of beef and eggs make this the majority of your diet
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I second what Loco says, dude buy quality foods, lamb, bison, beef, venison, Pasture raised eggs, grass fed butter. If you eat plants then avocado, coconut oil, real olive oil, Macadamia nut oil, even mct oil for fats. Again if you eat plants (I dont) greens like broccoli, green beans, asparagus...I'd stay far away from spinach and kale(tons of oxalates and various other antinutrients). Keep it simple eat a fuck load of beef and eggs make this the majority of your diet
thanks KK keeping things simple is what I do best. I have done low carb before but not true keto. I am going to give this an honest shot.
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never known a singlue blue collar worker thriving on any low carb diet maybe if 23 years old
Im pretty sure you dont know anyone that works at all....
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1. A well formulated, science-based keto diet is less than 20g carbs per day.
2. Fried chicken is not part of any good keto diet, because of the high carbs from breading and because of the unhealthy wheat flour the breading is made of.
3. Chicken breast is not a good option anyway because it's too lean. Chicken thighs, legs, and wings with the skin on are much better options.
4. Mix 1/4 tsp of salt, 1/2 tsp garlic powder, 1/2 tsp onion powder, 1/2 tsp smoked paprika, 1 tbsp baking powder in a bowl. Completely cover 4 chicken thighs with the skin on in this mix. Cook them in an air fryer. This is a delicious, much healthier, keto alternative to breaded fried chicken.
Yummy!
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Any of the MDs of Getbig have an opinion of TMAO either due from meat/egg consumption or L-Carnitine/Choline supplementation? I recently had my TMAO tested out of curiosity and it was triple the top end of the range :o I take 2 grams of L-carnitine daily. Supposedly garlic helps to lower it greatly. Also, TMAO levels might be more correlation than causation because it’s high in people who already have health issues and may not effect people who are healthy (me). I’ve seen Paul Saladino dispel it as well as Rhonda Patrick, but I want to see what the heavy-hitters of Getbig think. I decided to stop it today just out of precaution.
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Any of the MDs of Getbig have an opinion of TMAO either due from meat/egg consumption or L-Carnitine/Choline supplementation? I recently had my TMAO tested out of curiosity and it was triple the top end of the range :o I take 2 grams of L-carnitine daily. Supposedly garlic helps to lower it greatly. Also, TMAO levels might be more correlation than causation because it’s high in people who already have health issues and may not effect people who are healthy (me). I’ve seen Paul Saladino dispel it as well as Rhonda Patrick, but I want to see what the heavy-hitters of Getbig think. I decided to stop it today just out of precaution.
You should read the studies if you can find them
A recent article said the risk is doubled but what exactly does that mean?
Was the risk 1% and it went to 2%? Or .05% and it went to .10%? That's double but not significant.
Why are you taking L-carnitine in the first place?
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L-Carnitine - Uses, Side Effects, And More
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1026/l-carnitine
L-carnitine is used to increase L-carnitine levels in people whose natural level of L-carnitine is too low. Some people also use L-carnitine for conditions of the heart and blood vessels, serious kidney disease, and many other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses.
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Red meat, TMAO, and your heart
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/red-meat-tmao-and-your-heart
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You should read the studies if you can find them
A recent article said the risk is doubled but what exactly does that mean?
Was the risk 1% and it went to 2%? Or .05% and it went to .10%? That's double but not significant.
Why are you taking L-carnitine in the first place?
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1026/l-carnitine
L-carnitine is used to increase L-carnitine levels in people whose natural level of L-carnitine is too low. Some people also use L-carnitine for conditions of the heart and blood vessels, serious kidney disease, and many other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses.
For improved sperm health and increased androgen receptor density
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Any of the MDs of Getbig have an opinion of TMAO either due from meat/egg consumption or L-Carnitine/Choline supplementation? I recently had my TMAO tested out of curiosity and it was triple the top end of the range :o I take 2 grams of L-carnitine daily. Supposedly garlic helps to lower it greatly. Also, TMAO levels might be more correlation than causation because it’s high in people who already have health issues and may not effect people who are healthy (me). I’ve seen Paul Saladino dispel it as well as Rhonda Patrick, but I want to see what the heavy-hitters of Getbig think. I decided to stop it today just out of precaution.
The bolded text above. Existing studies are flawed in that participants who had high levels of TMAO and an increased risk of heart disease also had type 2 diabetes, were obese, smoked, had poor kidney function, etc.
Many plant-based foods are high in Choline too: Soy and soy products, cruciferous vegetables, cooked dried beans, quinoa, peanuts and peanut products, almonds and almond products, etc.
If you have normal kidney function, your kidneys will clear TMAO quickly.
Many in the medical community get fixated on a single marker, such as TMAO or LDL, and ignore the big picture. Below I attached a list of things that increase your risk of heart disease ranked from highest hazard to lowest hazard. Notice LDL has a low hazard ratio, yet it's the one thing the medical community seems to bring up the most regarding heart disease as if it had the highest hazard ratio. TMAO is not in this list, but you get the point.
I'm no MD, but these guys are:
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The bolded text above. Existing studies are flawed in that participants who had high levels of TMAO and an increased risk of heart disease also had type 2 diabetes, were obese, smoked, had poor kidney function, etc.
Many plant-based foods are high in Choline too: Soy and soy products, cruciferous vegetables, cooked dried beans, quinoa, peanuts and peanut products, almonds and almond products, etc.
If you have normal kidney function, your kidneys will clear TMAO quickly.
Many in the medical community get fixated on a single marker, such as TMAO or LDL, and ignore the big picture. Below I attached a list of things that increase your risk of heart disease ranked from highest hazard to lowest hazard. Notice LDL has a low hazard ratio, yet it's the one thing the medical community seems to bring up the most regarding heart disease as if it had the highest hazard ratio. TMAO is not in this list, but you get the point.
I'm no MD, but these guys are:
Thanks iron brother! That makes me feel better
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Thanks iron brother! That makes me feel better
You are welcome!
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Question for the keto guys
Keto kid and Loco and anyone else your input is appreciated.How does fried chicken fit in keto?A place that I eat at has a huge fried breast that has 25 grams of carbs. I assume it is from the breading.Is it ok to include this as long as I count those 25 grams against the 50 or whatever I am allowing myself?Thanks guys.
You can do keto fried chicken, just used ground almonds instead of flour and breadcrumbs.
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You can do keto fried chicken, just used ground almonds instead of flour and breadcrumbs.
thanks Flexacon I will try that
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You can do keto fried chicken, just used ground almonds instead of flour and breadcrumbs.
fuuuuuuck yeah
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Might as well put my recipe up if it's of interest.
- Seasoning mix: Fine ground almond flour, salt, white pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, paprika and whatever random dried herbs I had laying around.
- Some beaten eggs
- Coarse (finally chopped) ground almonds which I'd dry roast in the oven for 10 mins
Cover the chicken in the seasoning mix, then into the eggs, then into the roasted almonds and then cook.
If you can't find the right ground almonds then you can just blend them yourself or just adapt the recipe to what you got.
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I'd stay away from all nuts especially almonds they're loaded with oxalates.
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I'd stay away from all nuts especially almonds they're loaded with oxalates.
Not really an issue if you have enough calcium in your diet. Plus dry roasting/cooking almonds reduces the oxalate content by like 90% anyway
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What about the cyanide, phytates, and various other antinutrients?
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What about the cyanide, phytates, and various other antinutrients?
What about them?
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What about them?
Exactly
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Exactly
So nothing
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So nothing
Eat what you want man, just kicking some knowledge your way
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Eat what you want man, just kicking some knowledge your way
You're kicking out flawed knowledge though. There are 2 types of almond. Sweet and bitter almond. Sweet almond contain 1/50 the cyanide of bitter almonds. You'd need to eat over 1000 sweet almonds in one sitting to suffer from cyanide poisoning.
Maybe learn to be less of a food doomer as I worry next you'll be telling people to stay away from drinking water, because guess what, drinking too much water will also poison you.
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Just eat a low calorie diet. If you aren't obese you will live longer than average. Specialized diets just make your life miserable.
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Just eat a low calorie diet. If you aren't obese you will live longer than average. Specialized diets just make your life miserable.
I'd say just find a way of eating that works for you, meaning it provides you with health benefits, helps keep you lean long term, and it's enjoyable and sustainable long term. It doesn't matter whether it's omnivore, vegetarian, vegan, or carnivore.
A low carb, high fat diet is a low calorie diet too for most people because hunger and cravings go away and they end up eating less calories without trying. That's one of the reasons these diets work for weight loss.
A calorie restricted diet for longevity is a specialized diet too and it's extreme, and if done high carb it will make your life miserable. I'd rather live a shorter happier life than a longer miserable one.
Over many years I tried pretty much every diet there is, even vegan for 3 months. I was always miserable because of chronic health issues I had developed over time. I often just ate things I don't enjoy because "they're good for me." I also ate things I did enjoy, but made me feel guilty because "they're not good for me." I've been in very good shape and in poor shape on and off my whole life, but miserable most of the time and my quality of life was poor.
I finally found that a very meat heavy, keto diet is the way of eating that I personally enjoy most, provides me with many health benefits, provides me constant satiety, helps keep me lean consistently long term, gives me a lot of energy and mental clarity, it's delicious and keeps me happy. Not to mention I don't miss all the gas and bloating that plant-based foods give me.
I'm going on almost four years now, and so far I plan to do this for the rest of my life. My quality of life is better than ever, and I no longer eat anything I don't enjoy.
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You're kicking out flawed knowledge though. There are 2 types of almond. Sweet and bitter almond. Sweet almond contain 1/50 the cyanide of bitter almonds. You'd need to eat over 1000 sweet almonds in one sitting to suffer from cyanide poisoning.
Maybe learn to be less of a food doomer as I worry next you'll be telling people to stay away from drinking water, because guess what, drinking too much water will also poison you.
You're just increasing your toxic load little by little and for what? An inferior fat source with very little bioavailable nutrients. Red meat and eggs are far superior. But again do what you want man.
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You're just increasing your toxic load little by little and for what? An inferior fat source with very little bioavailable nutrients. Red meat and eggs are far superior. But again do what you want man.
No one made a case or argument otherwise. In fact it wasn't even being discussed.
You just interjected with your food doomer mental illness in the guise of "kicking some knowledge". But you keep doing you man.
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Just eat a low calorie diet. If you aren't obese you will live longer than average. Specialized diets just make your life miserable.
Not if you love the foods.
Primal is so easy for me - raw milk, beef, meat, fruit, salt, roasted broccoli, eggs, raw honey....all perfect.
Just shot my LDL to the moon so I'm switching it up a bit.
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No one made a case or argument otherwise. In fact it wasn't even being discussed.
You just interjected with your food doomer mental illness in the guise of "kicking some knowledge". But you keep doing you man.
Mental illness because I want to optimize my quality of life and not slowly poison myself little by little with plant toxins that I knowingly can completely avoid.
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Just shot my LDL to the moon so I'm switching it up a bit.
Were you in the process of losing excess fat when you got your LDL tested?
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Mental illness because I want to optimize my quality of life and not slowly poison myself little by little with plant toxins that I knowingly can completely avoid.
Mental illness because you jumped from one extreme/restrictive diet type to another and in the process your body shut down on you.
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Mental illness because you jumped from one extreme/restrictive diet type to another and in the process your body shut down on you.
If you consider a diet in excess of 3,000 calories (my previous diet) Extreme, to now eating just under 5,000 calories a day Extreme? All my health markers in perfect range even cholesterol, thyroid, liver,kidney, prostate, calcium score 0, EKG perfect, blood pressure in range, HB1AC 4.5, fasting insulin 78, resting heart rate 49...I can keep going then for sure it takes Extreme measures to get optimal results.
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Guy I work with is on it now. His weight ballooned by at least an extra 100lbs. Last 4mnths being on the diet he's down maybe 60lbs, looks great, has energy out the ass and is thinking of hitting the gym 2-3×/wk. I give him tons of credit.
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If you consider a diet in excess of 3,000 calories (my previous diet) Extreme, to now eating just under 5,000 calories a day Extreme? All my health markers in perfect range even cholesterol, thyroid, liver,kidney, prostate, calcium score 0, EKG perfect, blood pressure in range, HB1AC 4.5, fasting insulin 78, resting heart rate 49...I can keep going then for sure it takes Extreme measures to get optimal results.
Note I said extreme diet types and you respond with calories..
But great numbers, congrats. Now do that without TRT. Remind us again at what age you had to start TRT and why. But sure you're optimal right. Hate to break it to you, but there is nothing optimal about TRT, especially at the age you started it. But you keep doing you.
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No one made a case or argument otherwise. In fact it wasn't even being discussed.
You just interjected with your food doomer mental illness in the guise of "kicking some knowledge". But you keep doing you man.
I watched that Doc's video about how eating plants is going to kill you.
My mom has been a vegetarian/vegan for over 40 years and is perfectly healthy.
Lot's of interesting stuff on the interenet.
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Note I said extreme diet types and you respond with calories..
But great numbers, congrats. Now do that without TRT. Remind us again at what age you had to start TRT and why. But sure you're optimal right. Hate to break it to you, but there is nothing optimal about TRT, especially at the age you started it. But you keep doing you.
37 I'm 40 now and honestly it's the best decision I've ever made, working with a sports medicine doctor, having required labs done ever 4 to 6 months has been an absolute game changer. My life has excelled tremendously since being prescribed testosterone, literally everything in my life improved, energy, work performance, sex life, muscle building, fat burning, recovery, etc. Jumping on Mauro Di Pasquale's Anabolic Diet recommended by my doctor further aided in all these things, then last year going full carnivore was the perfect pairing for me and my quality of life.
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I watched that Doc's video about how eating plants is going to kill you.
My mom has been a vegetarian/vegan for over 40 years and is perfectly healthy.
Lot's of interesting stuff on the interenet.
Yeah, it's funny how people pick and choose what data and what study they use to back their claims.
I'm paraphrasing a famous quote: he uses stats the way a drunk uses a lamp post, more for support than for illumination.
The other Doc, Dr. Greger, wrote a book called how not to die. Promoting a purely plant based diet. Then organizes the book by disease types i.e. cancer, diabetes, congestive heart failure, hypertension, etc ... then cites various studies that shows when mice were fed 87 lbs of blueberries for 3 months blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit showed lower cancer rates. Just one flawed application of data after the next. My god such a smug arrogant prick.
I say do what makes you feel good.
Ive said before how good I felt on keto. But about 10 months ago switched over to low fat, high carb, about .8 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight. I really like training on this diet.
My blood work was virtually the same on each type of diet. I get my bloods done at least twice a year. However my good cholesterol went up on the low fat diet. For years both my ldl and hdl were low. Now my hdl is in normal range. But I also started using fish oil and CoQ10 during that time too. So can't say it was due only to diet. I started taking those specifically to raise hdl.
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37 I'm 40 now and honestly it's the best decision I've ever made, working with a sports medicine doctor, having required labs done ever 4 to 6 months has been an absolute game changer. My life has excelled tremendously since being prescribed testosterone, literally everything in my life improved, energy, work performance, sex life, muscle building, fat burning, recovery, etc. Jumping on Mauro Di Pasquale's Anabolic Diet recommended by my doctor further aided in all these things, then last year going full carnivore was the perfect pairing for me and my quality of life.
Let's take a step back. What do you think caused those issues at a relatively young age?
Bare in mind most people who maintain a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle don't typically have those issues especially at that age.
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Were you in the process of losing excess fat when you got your LDL tested?
I was not specifically keying on that....it could've been happening due to caloric intake though.
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Let's take a step back. What do you think caused those issues at a relatively young age?
Bare in mind most people who maintain a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle don't typically have those issues especially at that age.
I was on a low fat diet, exactly like Jay/Ronnie/Dorian etc. Literally since college. Egg whites, chicken, tuna, ground turkey, bison, whey isolate were my protein sources, oats, sweet potato, rice, were my carb sources, only trace fats. Working 12 hour days, training 5 days a week, cardio on my off days, sleeping maybe 5-6 hours a day, that's a recipe for tanking your hormones. Was I shredded, absolutely but from a hormone standpoint that is the absolute worst diet/lifestyle. Overtraining, under sleeping, low fat that's what happened. Now being knowledgeable about essential fats especially cholesterol and the critical role it plays in hormones, recovery, metabolic health, etc it is pretty obvious to me now why my test was so low.
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I was on a low fat diet, exactly like Jay/Ronnie/Dorian etc. Literally since college. Egg whites, chicken, tuna, ground turkey, bison, whey isolate were my protein sources, oats, sweet potato, rice, were my carb sources, only trace fats. Working 12 hour days, training 5 days a week, cardio on my off days, sleeping maybe 5-6 hours a day, that's a recipe for tanking your hormones. Was I shredded, absolutely but from a hormone standpoint that is the absolute worst diet/lifestyle. Overtraining, under sleeping, low fat that's what happened. Now being knowledgeable about essential fats especially cholesterol and the critical role it plays in hormones, recovery, metabolic health, etc it is pretty obvious to me now why my test was so low.
so whats a typical day of eating these days?
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I was on a low fat diet, exactly like Jay/Ronnie/Dorian etc. Literally since college. Egg whites, chicken, tuna, ground turkey, bison, whey isolate were my protein sources, oats, sweet potato, rice, were my carb sources, only trace fats. Working 12 hour days, training 5 days a week, cardio on my off days, sleeping maybe 5-6 hours a day, that's a recipe for tanking your hormones. Was I shredded, absolutely but from a hormone standpoint that is the absolute worst diet/lifestyle. Overtraining, under sleeping, low fat that's what happened. Now being knowledgeable about essential fats especially cholesterol and the critical role it plays in hormones, recovery, metabolic health, etc it is pretty obvious to me now why my test was so low.
Those guys definitely weren't on that type of diet 365 days a year.
Like I said what you were doing was an extreme/restrictive diet driven by mental illness. Now I'm not trying to call you crazy or even tell you that you need to address it. Fact is "mental illness" channelled in the right way can work to an individuals advantage and bring them a lot of success, but all you've done is switched your focus and mental illness from one extreme diet/lifestyle to another, albeit one that allows you to function considerably better, or optimally as you like to say.
Again not saying what you're doing is wrong, or that you need to change anything, just trying to make you more self aware. Of course this is just some random dude on the internet telling you this, so feel free to completely ignore it and keep doing you.
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so whats a typical day of eating these days?
I've been 4 lbs of ground beef 80/20 daily for a month. Prior to this for a year I ate 12 eggs, 2-3lbs of grass fed beef and 2 glasses of raw milk daily, on weekends I'd add bacon to my egg meals.Those guys definitely weren't on that type of diet 365 days a year.
Like I said what you were doing was an extreme/restrictive diet driven by mental illness. Now I'm not trying to call you crazy or even tell you that you need to address it. Fact is "mental illness" channelled in the right way can work to an individuals advantage and bring them a lot of success, but all you've done is switched your focus and mental illness from one extreme diet/lifestyle to another, albeit one that allows you to function considerably better, or optimally as you like to say.
Again not saying what you're doing is wrong, or that you need to change anything, just trying to make you more self aware. Of course this is just some random dude on the internet telling you this, so feel free to completely ignore it and keep doing you.
I guess trying to feel good as possible and look as good as I possibly can is a mental illness I get it. I just been blessed with a great life truthfully and I want to continue enjoying my life, Trt plus carnivore has been an absolute game changer, I'm the strongest ive ever been, have more endurance then ever, zero pain no joint pain back knees shoulders literally nothing and I've been lifting for 24 years, my energy levels are incredible, sex drive, recovery, skin, hair is thicker, bowel movements solid every time, zero bloat digestive stress, my sleep is on point. So if this is extreme I'm completely fine with that,
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I guess trying to feel good as possible and look as good as I possibly can is a mental illness I get it. I just been blessed with a great life truthfully and I want to continue enjoying my life, Trt plus carnivore has been an absolute game changer, I'm the strongest ive ever been, have more endurance then ever, zero pain no joint pain back knees shoulders literally nothing and I've been lifting for 24 years, my energy levels are incredible, sex drive, recovery, skin, hair is thicker, bowel movements solid every time, zero bloat digestive stress, my sleep is on point. So if this is extreme I'm completely fine with that,
No, your mental illness is more that you seem to get stuck on one path of thinking and then are unable to think outside of that box afterwards, all the while remaining completely unaware you're doing it. Fucked yourself up good and proper once doing that, but fortunately it working out better for you this time.
The humble brag is further evidence of the mental illness as you seem to think it's only by taking the path you took that anyone will be able to achieve or feel those things you described. Everyone else in your eyes is doing it wrong, hence all your food doomer posts.
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No, your mental illness is more that you seem to get stuck on one path of thinking and then are unable to think outside of that box afterwards, all the while remaining completely unaware you're doing it. Fucked yourself up good and proper once doing that, but fortunately it working out better for you this time.
The humble brag is further evidence of the mental illness as you seem to think it's only by taking the path you took that anyone will be able to achieve or feel those things you described. Everyone else in your eyes is doing it wrong, hence all your food doomer posts.
All I'm doing is giving the feedback that I've experienced doing this diet, most lifters I see mid thirties and on having multiple injuries and thus not being able to enjoy training, thus decreased quality of life, we're all here because we love training/bodybuilding. So the multiple people in this thread on a carnivore/heavy animal based diet are also confirming this. The more I researched the more I realized the guys in the 70s that were on the steak and eggs diet also trained hard/heavy/frequently and never seemed to get injuries. Where nowadays we have guys like Chris Bumstead getting stem cell treatments for injuries in his 20s Guy Cisternino getting double shoulder replacement in his late thirties, guys complaining about digestive issues, etc. So whatever you want to think of me it's cool, I just have had such a profound experience with this eating style that I'm trying to spread the word. If you look at Dr. Bakers Revero Health Channel and his interviews there's literally thousands of success stories of people curing various ailments and illnesses. Its not that I'm a food doomer this thread is titled Carnivore Diet, which means we're discussing the Carnivore diet, not the carnivore diet plus almonds or almond flour etc..you want to eat almonds that's your choice, but I'm just staying true to the carnivore diet and the discussion of this diet.
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All I'm doing is giving the feedback that I've experienced doing this diet, most lifters I see mid thirties and on having multiple injuries and thus not being able to enjoy training, thus decreased quality of life, we're all here because we love training/bodybuilding. So the multiple people in this thread on a carnivore/heavy animal based diet are also confirming this. The more I researched the more I realized the guys in the 70s that were on the steak and eggs diet also trained hard/heavy/frequently and never seemed to get injuries. Where nowadays we have guys like Chris Bumstead getting stem cell treatments for injuries in his 20s Guy Cisternino getting double shoulder replacement in his late thirties, guys complaining about digestive issues, etc. So whatever you want to think of me it's cool, I just have had such a profound experience with this eating style that I'm trying to spread the word. If you look at Dr. Bakers Revero Health Channel and his interviews there's literally thousands of success stories of people curing various ailments and illnesses. Its not that I'm a food doomer this thread is titled Carnivore Diet, which means we're discussing the Carnivore diet, not the carnivore diet plus almonds or almond flour etc..you want to eat almonds that's your choice, but I'm just staying true to the carnivore diet and the discussion of this diet.
I haven't said there is anything wrong with the carnivore diet nor debated the benefits or pitfalls of it with you. In fact at no point have I even mentioned the carnivore diet, yet all your responses hark back to it. This is the mental illness I tried to explain to you and unsurprisingly it went completely over your head. You are unable to think outside the narrow pathways you create for yourself. To avoid confusing you further this last statement doesn't mean the carnivore diet, as that isn't the cause it's the symptom.
Again no one was talking about the merits of almonds or almond flour in context of a carnivore diet until your mental illness took over and you started posting about it. Someone did ask about breaded chicken and keto and I gave them an alternative that tastes pretty similar without the carb content. After that I introduced you to my mental illness where I like being an asshole for no good reason. But unlike you I'm completely self aware about it.
As I said though keep doing you and by that I mean your carnivore diet and food doomering and being a tard
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Yeah, it's funny how people pick and choose what data and what study they use to back their claims.
I'm paraphrasing a famous quote: he uses stats the way a drunk uses a lamp post, more for support than for illumination.
The other Doc, Dr. Greger, wrote a book called how not to die. Promoting a purely plant based diet. Then organizes the book by disease types i.e. cancer, diabetes, congestive heart failure, hypertension, etc ... then cites various studies that shows when mice were fed 87 lbs of blueberries for 3 months blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit showed lower cancer rates. Just one flawed application of data after the next. My god such a smug arrogant prick.
I say do what makes you feel good.
Ive said before how good I felt on keto. But about 10 months ago switched over to low fat, high carb, about .8 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight. I really like training on this diet.
My blood work was virtually the same on each type of diet. I get my bloods done at least twice a year. However my good cholesterol went up on the low fat diet. For years both my ldl and hdl were low. Now my hdl is in normal range. But I also started using fish oil and CoQ10 during that time too. So can't say it was due only to diet. I started taking those specifically to raise hdl.
Yeah, i find it hard to follow sometimes because there are too many experts contradicting each other.
I remember years ago reading a book about Vitamin C and it basically said that bears don't have heart attacks because their bodies produce Vitamin C.
I took so much Vitamin C for like 6 months. ;D
I do think there is a lot of truth to the carnivore diet, which is why i'm going to try it for a few more months.
Getting blood work next week. Had baseline bloodwork done the week before i switch to carnivore.
Interested to see what it looks like.
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Yeah, i find it hard to follow sometimes because there are too many experts contradicting each other.
I remember years ago reading a book about Vitamin C and it basically said that bears don't have heart attacks because their bodies produce Vitamin C.
I took so much Vitamin C for like 6 months. ;D
I do think there is a lot of truth to the carnivore diet, which is why i'm going to try it for a few more months.
Getting blood work next week. Had baseline bloodwork done the week before i switch to carnivore.
Interested to see what it looks like.
;D
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I'd say just find a way of eating that works for you, meaning it provides you with health benefits, helps keep you lean long term, and it's enjoyable and sustainable long term. It doesn't matter whether it's omnivore, vegetarian, vegan, or carnivore.
A low carb, high fat diet is a low calorie diet too for most people because hunger and cravings go away and they end up eating less calories without trying. That's one of the reasons these diets work for weight loss.
A calorie restricted diet for longevity is a specialized diet too and it's extreme, and if done high carb it will make your life miserable. I'd rather live a shorter happier life than a longer miserable one.
Over many years I tried pretty much every diet there is, even vegan for 3 months. I was always miserable because of chronic health issues I had developed over time. I often just ate things I don't enjoy because "they're good for me." I also ate things I did enjoy, but made me feel guilty because "they're not good for me." I've been in very good shape and in poor shape on and off my whole life, but miserable most of the time and my quality of life was poor.
I finally found that a very meat heavy, keto diet is the way of eating that I personally enjoy most, provides me with many health benefits, provides me constant satiety, helps keep me lean consistently long term, gives me a lot of energy and mental clarity, it's delicious and keeps me happy. Not to mention I don't miss all the gas and bloating that plant-based foods give me.
I'm going on almost four years now, and so far I plan to do this for the rest of my life. My quality of life is better than ever, and I no longer eat anything I don't enjoy.
I didn't mean extreme low cal. Either the OMAD or just eat small snack like meals throughout the day. You won't get fat.
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Guy I work with is on it now. His weight ballooned by at least an extra 100lbs. Last 4mnths being on the diet he's down maybe 60lbs, looks great, has energy out the ass and is thinking of hitting the gym 2-3×/wk. I give him tons of credit.
Sounds painful.
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I watched that Doc's video about how eating plants is going to kill you.
My mom has been a vegetarian/vegan for over 40 years and is perfectly healthy.
Lot's of interesting stuff on the interenet.
She won't make it past 100 if she keeps that up.
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Just shot my LDL to the moon so I'm switching it up a bit.
It's normal for many people to have an elevated LDL while they are losing excess fat. Once they stop losing weight and go on maintenance mode, their LDL tends to go back within the normal range.
As long as your HDL is high, your Triglycerides are low, and you feel and look healthy, I wouldn't worry about high LDL on a low carb, high fat diet.
Getting blood work next week. Had baseline bloodwork done the week before i switch to carnivore.
Interested to see what it looks like.
This applies to people on a low carb, high fat diet:
Make sure you water fast for 12-14 hours before your bloodwork in order to get an accurate Triglycerides test result. That means no coffee, as coffee temporarily increases Triglycerides in some people.
If you fast less then 12 hours, your last fatty meal may give you an inaccurate Triglycerides test result. If you fast longer than 14 hours, your body fat breakdown may increase and this too may give you an inaccurate Triglycerides test result.
https://cholesterolcode.com/high-tg/
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Make sure you water fast for 12-14 hours before your bloodwork in order to get an accurate Triglycerides test result. That means no coffee, as coffee temporarily increases Triglycerides in some people.
If you fast less then 12 hours, your last fatty meal may give you an inaccurate Triglycerides test result. If you fast longer than 14 hours, your body fat breakdown may increase and this too may give you an inaccurate Triglycerides test result.
https://cholesterolcode.com/high-tg/
Sounds good.
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She won't make it past 100 if she keeps that up.
;D
To be fair her mother made it to 96 and ate a complete garbage diet and smoked for 70 years.
I remember she would eat those sugar babies candies non-stop all day long.
Go figure.
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;D
To be fair her mother made it to 96 and ate a complete garbage diet and smoked for 70 years.
I remember she would eat those sugar babies candies non-stop all day long.
Go figure.
Eggxactly!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVfMXjNZQkwLOuM3mFvaR9pN46ys1QNO86wg&usqp=CAU)
Anecdotal evidence is not reliable, and there are always exceptions to the norm:
105-Year-Old Woman Says Bacon Keeps Her Alive
https://newsfeed.time.com/2013/05/09/105-year-old-woman-says-bacon-keeps-her-alive/
100-Year-Old Chinese Man Says A Lifetime Of Smoking & Boozing Is The Secret To His Long Life
https://www.india.com/viral/bizarre-100-year-old-chinese-man-says-a-lifetime-of-smoking-boozing-is-the-secret-to-his-long-life-4225312/
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I like the slow burn energy of carnivore. My mind feels sharper, I have less emotional highs/lows, my weight dropped simply because I eat less, and joint pain in my knees, neck and shoulder have disappeared.
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Meat is crucial for human health, scientists warn
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/eipeegADRRjhtC1Qamng_g--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7aD0xNTAwO2NmPXdlYnA-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_telegraph_258/787aee72e6370addf6ba7e8c807f2b9a)
April 29, 2023
Meat is crucial for human health, scientists have warned, as they called for an end to the “zealotry” pushing vegetarian and vegan diets.
Dozens of experts were asked to look into the science behind claims that meat eating causes disease and is harmful for the planet in a special issue of Animal Frontiers.
They warned that it is difficult to replace the nutritional content of meat, arguing that poorer communities with low meat intake often suffer from stunting, wasting and anemia driven by a lack of vital nutrients and protein.
In one paper published in the issue, experts found no good evidence to support red meat being dangerous below intakes of 75g per day, and argued that the link between red meat and disease vanished when part of a healthy diet, suggesting it was the rest of the diet that was fueling health problems.
The new edition includes a declaration signed by nearly 1,000 scientists across the globe arguing that livestock farming was too important to society to “become the victim of zealotry”.
The Dublin Declaration includes signatories from the universities of Cambridge, Edinburgh, Bristol, Belfast, Newcastle, Nottingham, Surrey as well as several scientists from Britain’s world-leading agricultural and farming university Harper Adams.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-declaration-emphasises-value-meat-180404507.html
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Eggxactly!
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVfMXjNZQkwLOuM3mFvaR9pN46ys1QNO86wg&usqp=CAU)
Anecdotal evidence is not reliable, and there are always exceptions to the norm:
105-Year-Old Woman Says Bacon Keeps Her Alive
https://newsfeed.time.com/2013/05/09/105-year-old-woman-says-bacon-keeps-her-alive/
100-Year-Old Chinese Man Says A Lifetime Of Smoking & Boozing Is The Secret To His Long Life
https://www.india.com/viral/bizarre-100-year-old-chinese-man-says-a-lifetime-of-smoking-boozing-is-the-secret-to-his-long-life-4225312/
True.
I just find it interesting how so many people live to 90+ and don't even know anything about nutrition.
Goes to show it's mainly genetics.
The rancher i knew since i was 14 recently died at 97 years old.
Smoked for 40 years and drank every night.
Would snack on M&M's throughout the day.
He was really active and didn't even have a TV.
Before he died i asked him what the secret to long life was.
He said "staying active and drinking cheap beer".
He used to carry a large chunk of ham in his shirt pocket and take a bite randomly throughout the day.
I'm curious to see if my generation makes it to an old age, i don't think so.
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Stress kills you faster than diet.
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Stress kills you faster than diet.
Yes, but a delicious, nutrient dense, affordable, convenient diet can significantly lower your stress.
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"Think all your food has to be organic, pasture-raised, or only from expensive brands to do well on a keto diet? Think again! You can get great results eating at fast food places -- as long as you keep the carbs low. Keto doesn't have to be elitist or fancy. You can lose weight and get healthier while eating food that's quick, convenient, and inexpensive. Don't let a busy schedule or a tight budget stand in your way."
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"Think all your food has to be organic, pasture-raised, or only from expensive brands to do well on a keto diet? Think again! You can get great results eating at fast food places -- as long as you keep the carbs low. Keto doesn't have to be elitist or fancy. You can lose weight and get healthier while eating food that's quick, convenient, and inexpensive. Don't let a busy schedule or a tight budget stand in your way."
Interesting how his example is a guy who ate 2 McD's double cheeseburgers a day with no bun and diet soda.
That's it.
Not sure how that's sustainable for an average person.
That would keep me full for about 45 minutes. ;D
I ate 2 pounds of 80/20 ground beef yesterday and 2 pounds of ribeye steaks.
My food bill has more than doubled since i started carnivore.
A few weeks ago i ordered 6 - 1/4 pounder beef patties from McD's by itself.
I was starving 4 hours later.
Some of these stories make me question many things. The guy he used as an example was eating like 500 calories a day.
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Yes, but a delicious, nutrient dense, affordable, convenient diet can significantly lower your stress.
It sure can.
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Stress kills you faster than diet.
So Zelensky is gonna pop soon ............ :D
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Regarding to some Farangs (whites) Bangkok Hilton diet is very very effective , especially if you stay there for a few years ........... 8)
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Interesting how his example is a guy who ate 2 McD's double cheeseburgers a day with no bun and diet soda.
That's it.
Not sure how that's sustainable for an average person.
That would keep me full for about 45 minutes. ;D
I ate 2 pounds of 80/20 ground beef yesterday and 2 pounds of ribeye steaks.
My food bill has more than doubled since i started carnivore.
A few weeks ago i ordered 6 - 1/4 pounder beef patties from McD's by itself.
I was starving 4 hours later.
Some of these stories make me question many things. The guy he used as an example was eating like 500 calories a day.
The patient claimed he ate 2 double cheeseburgers per day with no bun and diet soda on days he wasn't hungry, and 3 on a typical day. That's around 850 calories, if you believe nutritional sites on the interwebs. I'm sure there were days when he ate more, or added eggs and bacon for breakfast, but didn't report it. That's the problem with self reported data.
Eating so few calories was probably temporary, until he lost the weight he needed to lose.
Undereating is not rare in people who adopt a meat only diet, because hunger and cravings go away. Those people have to intentionally eat more depending on their goals at the time.
The guy likely didn't exercise at all. Many of Dr. Westman's patients can't exercise or just don't. He doesn't discourage exercise, but doesn't push it either especially in the beginning.
In his experience in clinical practice and in his published research, the most important and effective factor for his patients has been to keep the carbs very low long term, while eating lots of satiating nutrient dense foods such as fatty meat and whole eggs.
I personally prefer Whopper patties myself if I'm out running errands, get hungry on my way home, and don't feel like cooking. I take them home and then add my own smoked cheddar cheese and my own Kirkland pre-cooked bacon.
I used to eat 8 Whopper patties in one sitting, with or without cheese and bacon, and that's all I'd eat all day. Eventually it got to the point I could only eat 4 or 6.
These days I rarely do that anymore. I've been eating 8 egg yolk and bacon omelets for breakfast, sometimes I add butter and/or cheese. For my second and final meal of the day, I'll eat a small ribeye steak with plain salt or 1 lbs fatty ground beef with my own homemade taco seasoning. If I get the munchies later, I'll eat pork rings, or more bacon, or a 1/2 cup of heavy whipping cream with a drop of vanilla extract and a drop of liquid Sucralose.
My food bill is the same at worst, much lower at best. Before keto/carnivore I used to eat meat and eggs, but also organic fresh produce, nuts and seeds, and a long list of other plant based foods (oats, rice, bread, pasta, tortillas, peanut butter, etc.). A lot of that stuff would often go to waste because it would go bad before I could eat it. I ate 3 meals a day plus healthy snacks in between because I was hungry all the time. I also took a lot of supplements, and was on some medications too.
Now I just buy the meat and eggs, a little cheese and heavy cream occasionally, I eat only 1 or 2 meals a day, I rarely waste food if ever, I no longer take any supplements other than magnesium, and after doing this diet long term I am off my medications. I'm no longer shackled to the food, pharma, and supplement industries. One of the best decisions I've ever made, for my health, for my sanity, and for my wallet.
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True.
I just find it interesting how so many people live to 90+ and don't even know anything about nutrition.
Goes to show it's mainly genetics.
The rancher i knew since i was 14 recently died at 97 years old.
Smoked for 40 years and drank every night.
Would snack on M&M's throughout the day.
He was really active and didn't even have a TV.
Before he died i asked him what the secret to long life was.
He said "staying active and drinking cheap beer".
He used to carry a large chunk of ham in his shirt pocket and take a bite randomly throughout the day.
I'm curious to see if my generation makes it to an old age, i don't think so.
With the large amount of chemicals, hormones, and pesticides in food now….don’t think so.
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Interesting how his example is a guy who ate 2 McD's double cheeseburgers a day with no bun and diet soda.
That's it.
Not sure how that's sustainable for an average person.
That would keep me full for about 45 minutes. ;D
I ate 2 pounds of 80/20 ground beef yesterday and 2 pounds of ribeye steaks.
My food bill has more than doubled since i started carnivore.
A few weeks ago i ordered 6 - 1/4 pounder beef patties from McD's by itself.
I was starving 4 hours later.
Some of these stories make me question many things. The guy he used as an example was eating like 500 calories a day.
you would have been better of ordering some actual beef, not that chemically enhanced offal
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So Zelensky is gonna pop soon ............ :D
He's probably relaxing in Poland while sending men to their deaths.
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There is a fundamentalist vibe to these diets.
I’m not vegan of vegetarian as I don’t think they are ideal for most people.
The one big flaw to the carnivore diet why I’d never do it is the raise in body acidity from all the meat.
Ya, I’m sure Dr X studied monkeys who lived by cannibalism and they lived over 100 years or something will be the next response, lol.
Not for me..
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There is a fundamentalist vibe to these diets.
I’m not vegan of vegetarian as I don’t think they are ideal for most people.
The one big flaw to the carnivore diet why I’d never do it is the raise in body acidity from all the meat.
Ya, I’m sure Dr X studied monkeys who lived by cannibalism and they lived over 100 years or something will be the next response, lol.
Not for me..
It seems to have a few benefits, so i'm going to continue for a few more months.
The problem is you don't know which Doc/Expert/Getbigger to believe.
As everyone has a different take on what you should eat. Each time i have a plan, i read or watch something from an expert online that says something else.
I'm doing the all-in grass-fed fancy pants style with maybe 2-3 fast food meals a week. Which i have to eat some fast food due to my work schedule. I have found some take out places that have good options for meat only, but they are few and far between.
I have lost weight and overall feel more stable with energy. Strength hasn't changed, but i'm training more for conditioning now.
But my BP is still really high and i'm taking demon shits twice a day. I really think it's the dairy causing the demon shits.
My cholesterol came back nearly perfect a few weeks ago, which is a good change for me.
I'm just not sure if i can follow this as a lifestyle, but it has been an interesting experiment.
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The patient claimed he ate 2 double cheeseburgers per day with no bun and diet soda on days he wasn't hungry, and 3 on a typical day. That's around 850 calories, if you believe nutritional sites on the interwebs. I'm sure there were days when he ate more, or added eggs and bacon for breakfast, but didn't report it. That's the problem with self reported data.
Eating so few calories was probably temporary, until he lost the weight he needed to lose.
Undereating is not rare in people who adopt a meat only diet, because hunger and cravings go away. Those people have to intentionally eat more depending on their goals at the time.
The guy likely didn't exercise at all. Many of Dr. Westman's patients can't exercise or just don't. He doesn't discourage exercise, but doesn't push it either especially in the beginning.
In his experience in clinical practice and in his published research, the most important and effective factor for his patients has been to keep the carbs very low long term, while eating lots of satiating nutrient dense foods such as fatty meat and whole eggs.
I personally prefer Whopper patties myself if I'm out running errands, get hungry on my way home, and don't feel like cooking. I take them home and then add my own smoked cheddar cheese and my own Kirkland pre-cooked bacon.
I used to eat 8 Whopper patties in one sitting, with or without cheese and bacon, and that's all I'd eat all day. Eventually it got to the point I could only eat 4 or 6.
These days I rarely do that anymore. I've been eating 8 egg yolk and bacon omelets for breakfast, sometimes I add butter and/or cheese. For my second and final meal of the day, I'll eat a small ribeye steak with plain salt or 1 lbs fatty ground beef with my own homemade taco seasoning. If I get the munchies later, I'll eat pork rings, or more bacon, or a 1/2 cup of heavy whipping cream with a drop of vanilla extract and a drop of liquid Sucralose.
My food bill is the same at worst, much lower at best. Before keto/carnivore I used to eat meat and eggs, but also organic fresh produce, nuts and seeds, and a long list of other plant based foods (oats, rice, bread, pasta, tortillas, peanut butter, etc.). A lot of that stuff would often go to waste because it would go bad before I could eat it. I ate 3 meals a day plus healthy snacks in between because I was hungry all the time. I also took a lot of supplements, and was on some medications too.
Now I just buy the meat and eggs, a little cheese and heavy cream occasionally, I eat only 1 or 2 meals a day, I rarely waste food if ever, I no longer take any supplements other than magnesium, and after doing this diet long term I am off my medications. I'm no longer shackled to the food, pharma, and supplement industries. One of the best decisions I've ever made, for my health, for my sanity, and for my wallet.
I was just making that point since anyone can lose weight on less than 800 calories a day.
I do appreciate your input as it gives me more ideas of how to balance all of this out.
Because i'm buying the highest quality meat i can find, it is very expensive.
Not sure how much it matters, but i'm all in at this point.
My GF brought me some amazing cheese and butter from Mexico a few weeks ago.
The taste is amazing.
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Why buy expensive cuts of meat when you then eat a bunch of McD meat?
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Why buy expensive cuts of meat when you then eat a bunch of McD meat?
According to the experts that's perfectly fine.
I eat fast food 2-3 times a week.
It's either that or starve.
I had 8 Five Guys patties yesterday.
Big improvement.
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According to the experts that's perfectly fine.
I eat fast food 2-3 times a week.
It's either that or starve.
I had 8 Five Guys patties yesterday.
Big improvement.
But why buy pricey meat then?
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But why buy pricey meat then?
It tastes better.
The grass fed local beef is like night and day to the regular stuff from a supermarket.
It even smells better.
I even met the cow they slaughtered a few months ago.
Kind of weird but interesting.
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Why buy expensive cuts of meat when you then eat a bunch of McD meat?
No shit! McD's, Wendy's and Taco Bell meat is just fine.
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Any independent lab can verify this and sue these corporations if not true:
McDonalds
"100% beef patty"
https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/quarter-pounder.html
Wendys
"fresh, never frozen and made from 100% real beef. Our signature square hamburger patties have no fillers or additives"
https://www.wendys.com/blog/squares-beef-wendys-fresh-beef-faq
Taco Bell
"We use 100 percent USDA premium beef in our seasoned beef. We prepare it much the same way you prepare taco meat at home: after simmering, it is drained of excess fat and pre-seasoned with our signature blend of 7 authentic seasonings and spices. It is then packaged with added water to lock in the flavor and for added moisture, and then shipped to our restaurants."
https://www.tacobell.com/faq/our-products-what-is-taco-bells-seasoned-beef-made-of
Burger King
"Our beef patties are made with 100% beef with no fillers, no preservatives, no additives, no nonsense."
https://company.bk.com/food-quality/our-burgers
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Any independent lab can verify this and sue these corporations if not true:
McDonalds
"100% beef patty"
https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/quarter-pounder.html
Wendys
"fresh, never frozen and made from 100% real beef. Our signature square hamburger patties have no fillers or additives"
https://www.wendys.com/blog/squares-beef-wendys-fresh-beef-faq
Taco Bell
"We use 100 percent USDA premium beef in our seasoned beef. We prepare it much the same way you prepare taco meat at home: after simmering, it is drained of excess fat and pre-seasoned with our signature blend of 7 authentic seasonings and spices. It is then packaged with added water to lock in the flavor and for added moisture, and then shipped to our restaurants."
https://www.tacobell.com/faq/our-products-what-is-taco-bells-seasoned-beef-made-of
Burger King
"Our beef patties are made with 100% beef with no fillers, no preservatives, no additives, no nonsense."
https://company.bk.com/food-quality/our-burgers
Ive always heard McDonald's, taco bell and subway are completely modified soy/hybrid/meat/filler...
Id guess Wendy's and burger King might have real beef. That's always been their selling point. But I know taco bell and subway have been tested and found to be something like 51% actual meat and the reast is some kind of soy based filler.
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Is a calorie just a calorie?
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Is a calorie just a calorie?
From an energy standpoint yes, from a nutritional standpoint, no.
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Is a calorie just a calorie?
Pretty much for everyone except competitive bodybuilders.
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Is a calorie just a calorie?
"All calories are the same by scientific definition, but they are not all the same as far as how your body responds to them. By definition, a calorie is a unit of energy, so all calories are regarded as the same outside the body.
For weight loss, calories count but that doesn’t mean you have to count them. We have complicated metabolisms that react differently to different calorie-containing foods.
Focusing on higher-quality calories and higher-satiety eating can help you eat fewer calories — without even trying!"
https://www.dietdoctor.com/science/calorie
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Is a calorie just a calorie?
if you ate only protein and fats as opposed to fats and carbs (same number of cals) you would have a totally different body composition
So no, a calorie isnt just a calorie
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Is a calorie just a calorie?
Are all cobblers the same?
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There is a fundamentalist vibe to these diets.
I’m not vegan of vegetarian as I don’t think they are ideal for most people.
The one big flaw to the carnivore diet why I’d never do it is the raise in body acidity from all the meat.
Ya, I’m sure Dr X studied monkeys who lived by cannibalism and they lived over 100 years or something will be the next response, lol.
Not for me..
"The consumption of sulphur amino acids from animal protein increases physiological acidity, as does phosphate from dietary phytates in grains. This means some cereal proteins produce as much, or more physiological acidity than animal proteins. For example, oatmeal, walnuts and whole wheat are higher producers of acidity than are chicken, beef and cheddar."
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/proceedings-of-the-nutrition-society/article/dietary-protein-and-bone-health-towards-a-synthesised-view/EB7D2F09B15A6F85FED2169249457741
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Many endurance athletes like triathletes eat very high carb diets and are ripped.
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Many endurance athletes like triathletes eat very high carb diets and are ripped.
That's a very helpful piece of information for the average Getbigger and for the average Westerner. :D
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Record-Breaking Yosemite Climber Credits Strange Diet for Success
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Earlier this month, climber Nick Ehman broke the record for the fastest solo climb up the Nose, a steep, 3,000-foot route up the El Capitan vertical rock formation in California's Yosemite National Park. But in addition to his raw speed, the 28-year-old's fellow climbers were left stunned by his diet in preparing for the feat.
"His exceptional diet of meat, salt, and water seems to have given him unusual strength and endurance and he took no water or food on this run up the route," the publication writes. "Our local vegetarians were dumbfounded!"
https://www.mensjournal.com/news/world-record-yosemite-climber-meat-diet
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if you ate only protein and fats as opposed to fats and carbs (same number of cals) you would have a totally different body composition
So no, a calorie isnt just a calorie
Wrong...a calorie IS a calorie.
A macronutrient is not a macronutrient.
Its the same as a dollar is a dollar. What makes up that dollar is not the same.
Did anyone ever take high school chemistry for fucks sake???
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Many endurance athletes like triathletes eat very high carb diets and are ripped.
Type 1 vs. Type 2 muscle fiber make-up.....
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Type 1 vs. Type 2 muscle fiber make-up.....
Muscle fiber type has no relevance to bodyfat levels.
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Wrong...a calorie IS a calorie.
A macronutrient is not a macronutrient.
Its the same as a dollar is a dollar. What makes up that dollar is not the same.
Did anyone ever take high school chemistry for fucks sake???
if you talk scince as in a unit of energy equivalent to the heat energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 °C (now often defined as equal to 4.1868 joules) then yes it is
Try eating no protien calories and see how you go for body composition
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Muscle fiber type has no relevance to bodyfat levels.
Was in reference to the carb intake.
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if you talk scince as in a unit of energy equivalent to the heat energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 °C (now often defined as equal to 4.1868 joules) then yes it is
Try eating no protien calories and see how you go for body composition
Re-read my post....you just re-iterated what I said.
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if you talk scince as in a unit of energy equivalent to the heat energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 °C (now often defined as equal to 4.1868 joules) then yes it is
Try eating no protien calories and see how you go for body composition
how much pro you think is needed? most dipshit bb's say 1.25 to 1.5 grams per pound
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how much pro you think is needed? most dipshit bb's say 1.25 to 1.5 grams per pound
what works for you
I have known a guy look lean and conditioned on a vegan diet eating around 75 gms protein a day, he used gear and was around 180lbs
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what works for you
I have known a guy look lean and conditioned on a vegan diet eating around 75 gms protein a day, he used gear and was around 180lbs
i was all the way down to a buck 48 (depleted and fasted for 48 hours) this summer, but my normal weight was around a buck 55 now i'm a buck 71 and all these weights are @ 5-7% bodyfat and i eat anywhere from 80-120 grams a day, some days as high as 160 but on average bout 120 grams daily
science says 1.6 grams per kilo is needed for optimal muscle growth but i was as low as 1.2 grams per kilo so go figure...
on a side note, its hard to eat a lot of clean protien in one meal, for example 70 grams of protien from chicken breast is a chore for me to eat in one sitting but 35 grams of chicken breast is easy-peasy
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i was all the way down to a buck 48 (depleted and fasted for 48 hours) this summer, but my normal weight was around a buck 55 now i'm a buck 71 and all these weights are @ 5-7% bodyfat and i eat anywhere from 80-120 grams a day, some days as high as 160 but on average bout 120 grams daily
science says 1.6 grams per kilo is needed for optimal muscle growth but i was as low as 1.2 grams per kilo so go figure...
on a side note, its hard to eat a lot of clean protien in one meal, for example 70 grams of protien from chicken breast is a chore for me to eat in one sitting but 35 grams of chicken breast is easy-peasy
its easier to write 155
Look into it
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"The consumption of sulphur amino acids from animal protein increases physiological acidity, as does phosphate from dietary phytates in grains. This means some cereal proteins produce as much, or more physiological acidity than animal proteins. For example, oatmeal, walnuts and whole wheat are higher producers of acidity than are chicken, beef and cheddar."
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/proceedings-of-the-nutrition-society/article/dietary-protein-and-bone-health-towards-a-synthesised-view/EB7D2F09B15A6F85FED2169249457741
Uric acid is the problem - not the increase in H+ ions.
Purines, a breakdown product of protein, easily convert to uric acid (and ammonia) . Uric acid has low solubility and can crystallize out in the joints as gout or kidneys, as stones.
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Uric acid is the problem - not the increase in H+ ions.
Purines, a breakdown product of protein, easily convert to uric acid (and ammonia) . Uric acid has low solubility and can crystallize out in the joints as gout or kidneys, as stones.
An association between meat intake and elevated uric acid levels is based on weak observational, not interventional, studies of people on a standard American diet high in meat, alcohol, sugar and other carbs.
There are absolutely no studies, observational or interventional, linking a diet high in meat and very low in carbs and alcohol to elevated uric acid levels or gout.
So the problem is most likely a diet high in meat, alcohol, sugar and other carbs.
Observational studies go both ways. This one blames beer:
Dietary factors associated with hyperuricemia in adults
This cross-sectional survey demonstrated that beer intake is independently associated with increased risk of hyperuricemia in men. Restricted beer intake may help prevent hyperuricemia in the population.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17570471/
This one blames sugar:
Sack and sugar, and the aetiology of gout in England between 1650 and 1900
Sugar contains fructose, which raises uric acid and increases the risk for gout. Sugar intake increased markedly during this period due to its introduction in liquors, tea, coffee and desserts. We suggest that the introduction of sugar explains why gout was originally a disease of the wealthy and educated, but gradually became common throughout society.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23175570/
And this one blames a vegan diet:
Serum uric acid concentrations in meat eaters, fish eaters, vegetarians and vegans: a cross-sectional analysis in the EPIC-Oxford cohort
Individuals consuming a vegan diet had the highest serum concentrations of uric acid compared to meat eaters, fish eaters and vegetarians, especially in men. Vegetarians and individuals who eat fish but not meat had the lowest concentrations of serum uric acid.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23418557/
Furthermore, this interventional study (interventional studies are superior to observational studies) showed that the meat heavy, low carb Atkins diet can reduce serum uric acid levels:
High-Protein Diet (Atkins Diet) and Uric Acid Response
Our findings suggest that the Atkins diet (i.e., a high protein diet without calorie restriction) can reduce SUA levels despite substantial purine loading.
https://acrabstracts.org/abstract/high-protein-diet-atkins-diet-and-uric-acid-response/
I've been eating 1-2 pounds of red meat daily for 4 years, but I stopped eating carbs and drinking alcohol. I get a physical and other screenings annually and my doctors are amazed at how my health has improved and at how it continues to improve every year. A couple of them commented on how I seem to be aging in reverse. I haven't had any joint problems, or developed gout, or kidney stones. On the contrary, my chronic back pain and shoulder pain have decreased 90% since switching to this way of eating.
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Uric acid is the problem - not the increase in H+ ions.
Purines, a breakdown product of protein, easily convert to uric acid (and ammonia) . Uric acid has low solubility and can crystallize out in the joints as gout or kidneys, as stones.
potassium citrate powder 1 teaspoon in 2 litres of water or codial drunk throughout the day creates an alkaline state in your body and as such controls the uric acid
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potassium citrate powder 1 teaspoon in 2 litres of water or codial drunk throughout the day creates an alkaline state in your body and as such controls the uric acid
Great advice for vegans and people who love sugar and alcohol. :D
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Nutrient found in beef and dairy improves immune response to cancer
November 22, 2023
"Scientists at UChicago discover that trans-vaccenic acid (TVA), a fatty acid found in beef, lamb, and dairy products, improves the ability of immune cells to fight tumors."
https://biologicalsciences.uchicago.edu/news/tva-nutrient-cancer-immunity
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Nutrient found in beef and dairy improves immune response to cancer
November 22, 2023
"Scientists at UChicago discover that trans-vaccenic acid (TVA), a fatty acid found in beef, lamb, and dairy products, improves the ability of immune cells to fight tumors."
https://biologicalsciences.uchicago.edu/news/tva-nutrient-cancer-immunity
Now you know why they dont want people eating it
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how much pro you think is needed? most dipshit bb's say 1.25 to 1.5 grams per pound
Joe Weider answered this question:
4 large cans of Weider Muscle Builder each month at the very minimum.
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Now you know why they dont want people eating it
Yup, and why every time there's a weak, observational study associating meat to an increased risk of cancer, diabetes, or heart disease it's all over the news for weeks. But when a high quality, interventional study is published showing meat is not only safe buy highly beneficial, we don't hear or read about it from the main stream media.
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You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.
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You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.
You have to build a wall first.